Data exchange through the gateway to U-2: F-22 and F-35 fighters will be able to participate in joint operations

The American media published publications that now the fifth generation fighters F-22 and F-35 can participate in joint operations. Previously, these US-made combat aircraft did not have such an opportunity due to the lack of a communication protocol that would allow secure real-time data exchange between aircraft in a secure manner. Now such an opportunity has appeared. However, this requires a third airplane.

It is reported that the American spy plane U-2 (one of the modifications of the U-2S Dragon Lady) is currently serving as such a board. A special communication gateway is installed on board, which allows fifth-generation aircraft of different models to exchange up-to-date information with each other.

It is noted that it took years to create such a gateway. And now the U-2 has completed a training flight, during which the transmission of data using a special protocol was practiced. The new airlock allows the F-22 and F-35 to exchange information not only with each other, but with objects on the water and on land. For example, we are talking about the exchange of data from the F-22 with aircraft carrier strike groups, where the basis of the wing are carrier-based versions of the F-35 fighters.

When exchanging data with ground units, the F-22 and F-35, performing a joint operation, can provide the coordinates of the targets of artillery, missile units.

The demonstration event on the exchange of data through the communication gateway on board the U-2 was named "Project Hydra". This is the first in stories the case when a mutual communication was established between the F-22 and F-35 aircraft in flight, as well as data from sensors and other systems were transmitted. This is reported by Skunk Works CEO Jeff Babione. This company is implementing a project to create a new communication protocol for US Air Force (Navy) fighters.

Jeff Babione:

This is a very important milestone. It is especially important in terms of fighting opponents who pose a threat to the United States.

Data exchange via U-2 was carried out between F-22 and F-35 with information output to displays. In the future, it is planned to introduce multimedia pilots' helmets.

At the same time, experts point to vulnerability, saying that it would be enough for the enemy to disable the gateway on board the U-2 for the joint operation of the F-22 and F-35 to fail.

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[Oleg1263]

Hmm .. Strange, but through satellites they did not have this opportunity before?

[mitroha]

At the same time, experts point to vulnerability, saying that it would be enough for the enemy to disable the gateway on board the U-2 for the joint operation of the F-22 and F-35 to fail.

This is the first thing. And secondly, nothing is known about the range of such an exchange, just a connection has taken place, and as you know, "who is the mare's bride."

[poquello]

Quote: Mitroha

At the same time, experts point to vulnerability, saying that it would be enough for the enemy to disable the gateway on board the U-2 for the joint operation of the F-22 and F-35 to fail.

This is the first thing. And secondly, nothing is known about the range of such an exchange, just a connection has taken place, and as you know, "who is the mare's bride."

"firstly" there will obviously not be one repeaters, well, and secondly - well, they are engaged in network centering, ours also do not stand still,) in the countermeasure

[mitroha]

[quote = poquello] there will be no repeaters]
How many U2s are there? How long does it take for a targeted hunt? Or will they hang over the United States?

[fruc]

The demonstration event on the exchange of data through the communication gateway on board the U-2 was named "Project Hydra".

Near the southern borders of the Russian Federation, flights of U-2 have already been noted more than once, taking off from a / b Akrotiri (island Cyprus). It is possible and necessary to filter out these scouts in the air first of all, and then use means of destruction on them.

[poquello]

Quote: Mitroha

How many U2s are there?

and what are you talking about yuta? they tested them on the utah, but what else they will bet on is unknown

[knn54]

The efforts are understandable - in order to defeat a HIGH-TECHNOLOGICAL enemy, it is necessary to simultaneously conduct military operations on land, at sea, in the air, in space. Well, in cyberspace.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: knn54

Simultaneously conduct military operations on land, at sea, in the air, in space. Well, in cyberspace.

Yes, this is so, therefore, in the Israeli version of the F-35I Adir, a control, communication and computing system (C4) developed by Israel Aerospace Industries is installed, one of their functions is the collection and instant transmission of all information from the battlefield to all branches of the military that need it ...

[dauria]

developed by Israel Aerospace Industries

Well, all the hopes of mankind are again on the Jews .. But seriously, make an autonomous on-board blind landing system in the SMU for peaceful aviation. Not a course-glide path, but a sort of "eye" in the centimeter range. Simple, primitive, without measuring range, albeit with a scanty resolution of 320x240. But it is precisely the "eye". A metal lens instead of a lens, a simple sphere of detectors instead of a retina. The size will be about a meter - it will even fit into the leading edge of the wing of the liner.
And a "spotlight" from the magnetron of an ordinary microwave. Plus there are "microwave lamps and searchlights" at the airport itself. Display the picture on the windshield, adjusting it with the "real" view. The pilots will only say thank you when in the fog the sheds and the runway "see" ..
You are stubborn there, you blind at least something worthwhile for all mankind.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: dauria

Well, all the hopes of mankind are again on the Jews ..

Well this is understandable, there is nothing new,

Quote: dauria

But seriously, make an autonomous on-board blind landing system in the SMU for peaceful aviation.

But from this place to the end of the outpouring, I remembered
"And then Ostap suffered ..." (c)

[dauria]

But from this place to the end of the outpouring, I remembered
"And then Ostap suffered ..." (c)

Are you a radio engineer? A rough analogue of such a system in a truncated form of STR stations has long been on any military aircraft. The same detectors, only few of them, the SPO-10 had only 4 "pixels" in the form of LEDs. And the DN of each is more than 90 degrees. In addition, not the amplitude, but only the excess of the "yes-no" threshold. And even such a "sight" helps the pilot. The classic overview locator will not work here. But making a retina out of detector cells, with a readout circuit and a lens in front of it in the millimeter range is a lightweight and cheap design. The main thing - no problems with the transmitter. No coherence, no pulse duration, light with whatever you want, or use the already illuminated landmarks at the airfield.
Maybe there will be fewer disasters like the Polish one with Kaczynski.

[nnm]

That is, shoot down U2 and get three gifts in one?
But seriously, it’s somehow strange - really, for a bundle in one system, you need such bulky equipment that cannot be put into the fighters themselves and for this you need a whole third side. Everything, of course, happens, but in this case, it is more than strange.

[syndicalist]

Yes, scanty, some kind of article. The essence of the problem remains completely incomprehensible, which does not allow the exchange of information directly.

[OgnennyiKotik]

This is not only a connection between 2 types of fighters, it is a system that connects all participants in a combined arms battle in real time. Those. on their displays, the commander of an artillery battalion, a ship, fighter pilots, central command, etc., sees the same thing. Depending on the target and effectiveness, it is chosen how to hit the target with a projectile, tomahawk or aerial bomb.

[voyaka uh]

"which cannot be put into the fighters themselves" ////
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The problem is in the F-22. It has software and hardware from the 90s. And architecture is inflexible. Everything is "stitched" tightly.
The F-35 has all the most modern and open architecture. With light upgrades if needed.
Therefore, even with the outdated F-16s of the 4th generation, the F-35s are easy to talk to, but they cannot with the F-22s of the 5th generation.

[dauria]

The F-35 has all the most modern and open architecture. With light upgrades if needed.

Yes, the glider has turned into a computer case with a power supply ... Nurse, vidyuhu and "screw" can be thrown away as obsolete. For the exchange standard on board ARINC 429?
In principle, the move is correct, the overwhelming majority of aircraft should fly "silently", not crow once again on the air. And the information should be "presented" to them by others, the exposure of which does not give the enemy anything in "disclosing plans"
Just boast in vain, the Swedes blinded the same thing on Gripen. One smart one with a laptop and four black loaders on the freeway are getting ready to take off.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: nnm

How strange it is - really, for a bundle in one system, you need such bulky equipment ...

Laughter and laughter, but the problem is in integrating the F-22 into a network-centric control system - it was initially devoid of terminals. It seems to me that Dragon Lady does not even perform the function of a repeater, but a hub that combines various data transfer protocols.
Americans know how to calculate the budget - that means it's more profitable ... or for the sake of this they refused to turn on the machine

[prior]

Explosion of a tiny neutron charge ... and the airlock is tightly closed.

[KCA]

A tiny one is not enough, it is enough to fill all the blocks with high-density polyethylene and that's it, the neutrons will be delayed, and the radio waves pass quietly

[paco.soto]

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Neutral opinion: I read the article with my morning coffee, google everything, read the comments with pleasure - and here you are ...

[andrewkor]

Avaks are a priority target for any air defense. This also applies to the Lady.

[MrFox]

Isn't that the U2 Powers was on?

The news had to be supplemented with an essential characteristic of this aircraft - flight altitude, which is more than 21.000 m.

The decision is logical, even with modest power in watts, the communication range will be hundreds of kilometers to the repeater on U-2

[K150]

Our moment-31 flies higher

[Nadrub]

These are Americans ... you should exchange data more carefully there ... otherwise you will come back with installed Yandex and state servants :)

[Popandos]

Great, now if U-2 is on the radar, it means "stealth" is somewhere nearby.
I'm not an expert in radar, but something tells me that this scout can be seen from afar.

[spech]

Server in the air !!! Ahtung! Alyarm!

[Zaurbek]

This can be compared to someone who had radio communications in technology before the Second World War or did not (waved flags). And this is even more important than the presence of the 5th generation ... it can be fine in 4 ++

[Reserve buildbat]

In honor of this, the U-2 was made a supersonic stealth fighter, and the pilot, in addition to a pistol, was handed a saber!

[SpbGenn]

Didn't you think what would happen in the absence of any radio communication? Or massive EMP? And why 5 years ago was the reconciliation of the barrage practiced in exercises ?!

[rotmistr60]

it took years to create such a gateway

And you can close the airlock with one U-2 missile in a matter of minutes.

[rocket757]

Data exchange through the gateway to U-2: F-22 and F-35 fighters will be able to participate in joint operations

... Everything is logical. They continue to bring to mind the concept, tactics that were originally planned.
There is a "tool", it is necessary to bring the system to the readiness of effective use.

[Maks1995]

It is logical. They have been testing such systems for a long time. They often write.

They wrote that we are also trying, but on the 1st drill SU57 it is very inconvenient. It’s very simple.

[paco.soto]

Got it. Thank you. And I apologize for my irritation. Ya is a meticulous old man, if sometimes there is time - read VO, google on the topic - "oh .... vayu" from incomprehensible unprofessionalism to me in any article, I read the forum - I am generally amazed! I congratulate you with a smile May 1 nostalgic!

[alien308]

A good solution, the U-2 will operate for hundreds of kilometers at high altitude with a narrow beamforming antenna and a broadband channel with an out-of-beam spectral density less thermal noise. Try this serif. To suppress this joy, AWACS and radio reconnaissance aircraft are needed. And where are they? And how many are there?

[basal]

Some kind of nonsense. Was the U-2 adapted instead of AWACS? How's that? Instead of reconnaissance equipment, did they push communication units? Miracles do not happen, if U-2 is a flying server, then it is no longer a scout. Why not CP71? With his three Machs. Looks like it is still needed, but the U-2 had to be adapted somewhere. He has a maximum speed of 800 km / h., And even then at 20 km altitude. He can only get away from a piston fighter. For MIG-31, such a slow and clumsy target is for happiness. And outside the interception zone ... well, the whole pack of F-oks will also be outside the network coverage area. Well, why all this?