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Data exchange through the gateway to U-2: F-22 and F-35 fighters will be able to participate in joint operations

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The American media published publications that now the fifth generation fighters F-22 and F-35 can participate in joint operations. Previously, these US-made combat aircraft did not have such an opportunity due to the lack of a communication protocol that would allow secure real-time data exchange between aircraft in a secure manner. Now such an opportunity has appeared. However, this requires a third airplane.


It is reported that the American spy plane U-2 (one of the modifications of the U-2S Dragon Lady) is currently serving as such a board. A special communication gateway is installed on board, which allows fifth-generation aircraft of different models to exchange up-to-date information with each other.

It is noted that it took years to create such a gateway. And now the U-2 has completed a training flight, during which the transmission of data using a special protocol was practiced. The new airlock allows the F-22 and F-35 to exchange information not only with each other, but with objects on the water and on land. For example, we are talking about the exchange of data from the F-22 with aircraft carrier strike groups, where the basis of the wing are carrier-based versions of the F-35 fighters.

When exchanging data with ground units, the F-22 and F-35, performing a joint operation, can provide the coordinates of the targets of artillery, missile units.

The demonstration event on the exchange of data through the communication gateway on board the U-2 was named "Project Hydra". This is the first in stories the case when a mutual communication was established between the F-22 and F-35 aircraft in flight, as well as data from sensors and other systems were transmitted. This is reported by Skunk Works CEO Jeff Babione. This company is implementing a project to create a new communication protocol for US Air Force (Navy) fighters.



Jeff Babione:

This is a very important milestone. It is especially important in terms of fighting opponents who pose a threat to the United States.

Data exchange via U-2 was carried out between F-22 and F-35 with information output to displays. In the future, it is planned to introduce multimedia pilots' helmets.

At the same time, experts point to vulnerability, saying that it would be enough for the enemy to disable the gateway on board the U-2 for the joint operation of the F-22 and F-35 to fail.
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  1. Oleg1263
    Oleg1263 1 May 2021 08: 06
    +3
    Hmm .. Strange, but through satellites they did not have this opportunity before?
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 1 May 2021 08: 12
      0
      At the same time, experts point to vulnerability, saying that it would be enough for the enemy to disable the gateway on board the U-2 for the joint operation of the F-22 and F-35 to fail.

      This is the first thing. And secondly, nothing is known about the range of such an exchange, just a connection has taken place, and as you know, "who is the mare's bride."
      1. poquello
        poquello 1 May 2021 09: 29
        -1
        Quote: Mitroha
        At the same time, experts point to vulnerability, saying that it would be enough for the enemy to disable the gateway on board the U-2 for the joint operation of the F-22 and F-35 to fail.

        This is the first thing. And secondly, nothing is known about the range of such an exchange, just a connection has taken place, and as you know, "who is the mare's bride."

        "firstly" there will obviously not be one repeaters, well, and secondly - well, they are engaged in network centering, ours also do not stand still,) in the countermeasure
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 1 May 2021 11: 14
          -1
          [quote = poquello] there will be no repeaters]
          How many U2s are there? How long does it take for a targeted hunt? Or will they hang over the United States?
          1. frruc
            frruc 1 May 2021 11: 35
            -1
            The demonstration event on the exchange of data through the communication gateway on board the U-2 was named "Project Hydra".

            Near the southern borders of the Russian Federation, flights of U-2 have already been noted more than once, taking off from a / b Akrotiri (island Cyprus). It is possible and necessary to filter out these scouts in the air first of all, and then use means of destruction on them.
          2. poquello
            poquello 1 May 2021 11: 55
            +1
            Quote: Mitroha
            How many U2s are there?

            and what are you talking about yuta? they tested them on the utah, but what else they will bet on is unknown
  2. knn54
    knn54 1 May 2021 08: 06
    -1
    The efforts are understandable - in order to defeat a HIGH-TECHNOLOGICAL enemy, it is necessary to simultaneously conduct military operations on land, at sea, in the air, in space. Well, in cyberspace.
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    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 1 May 2021 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      Simultaneously conduct military operations on land, at sea, in the air, in space. Well, in cyberspace.

      Yes, this is so, therefore, in the Israeli version of the F-35I Adir, a control, communication and computing system (C4) developed by Israel Aerospace Industries is installed, one of their functions is the collection and instant transmission of all information from the battlefield to all branches of the military that need it ...
      1. dauria
        dauria 1 May 2021 12: 11
        -3
        developed by Israel Aerospace Industries


        Well, all the hopes of mankind are again on the Jews .. laughing But seriously, make an autonomous on-board blind landing system in the SMU for peaceful aviation. Not a course-glide path, but a sort of "eye" in the centimeter range. Simple, primitive, without measuring range, albeit with a scanty resolution of 320x240. But it is precisely the "eye". A metal lens instead of a lens, a simple sphere of detectors instead of a retina. The size will be about a meter - it will even fit into the leading edge of the wing of the liner.
        And a "spotlight" from the magnetron of an ordinary microwave. Plus there are "microwave lamps and searchlights" at the airport itself. Display the picture on the windshield, adjusting it with the "real" view. The pilots will only say thank you when in the fog the sheds and the runway "see" ..
        You are stubborn there, you blind at least something worthwhile for all mankind.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 1 May 2021 14: 15
          +1
          Quote: dauria
          Well, all the hopes of mankind are again on the Jews ..

          Well this is understandable, there is nothing new,
          Quote: dauria
          But seriously, make an autonomous on-board blind landing system in the SMU for peaceful aviation.

          But from this place to the end of the outpouring, I remembered
          "And then Ostap suffered ..." (c)
          1. dauria
            dauria 1 May 2021 15: 13
            +1
            But from this place to the end of the outpouring, I remembered
            "And then Ostap suffered ..." (c)


            Are you a radio engineer? A rough analogue of such a system in a truncated form of STR stations has long been on any military aircraft. The same detectors, only few of them, the SPO-10 had only 4 "pixels" in the form of LEDs. And the DN of each is more than 90 degrees. In addition, not the amplitude, but only the excess of the "yes-no" threshold. And even such a "sight" helps the pilot. The classic overview locator will not work here. But making a retina out of detector cells, with a readout circuit and a lens in front of it in the millimeter range is a lightweight and cheap design. The main thing - no problems with the transmitter. No coherence, no pulse duration, light with whatever you want, or use the already illuminated landmarks at the airfield.
            Maybe there will be fewer disasters like the Polish one with Kaczynski.
  3. nnm
    nnm 1 May 2021 08: 06
    +7
    That is, shoot down U2 and get three gifts in one?
    But seriously, it’s somehow strange - really, for a bundle in one system, you need such bulky equipment that cannot be put into the fighters themselves and for this you need a whole third side. Everything, of course, happens, but in this case, it is more than strange.
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist 1 May 2021 08: 52
      +5
      Yes, scanty, some kind of article. The essence of the problem remains completely incomprehensible, which does not allow the exchange of information directly.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 19
      +3
      But seriously, how strange it is - really, for bundling into one system, you need such bulky equipment that cannot be put into the fighters themselves and for this you need a whole third side
      The Dragons were stagnant in the hangars, so they decided to find work for them according to the profile, in the prevailing conditions, plus with their altitude and flight time, why not ...? The third side in various conditions, it is better to use than just two, which still have to work for the purposes, and here is a dedicated repeater in the stratosphere, time-tested in various combat conditions!
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 May 2021 09: 29
        +1
        They fly constantly, there are advanced reconnaissance equipment. In this case, the carrier does not play such an important role, it is simply easier to work with it. The UAV will be transferred to the future, RQ-4 for example.
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 1 May 2021 09: 26
      +2
      This is not only a connection between 2 types of fighters, it is a system that connects all participants in a combined arms battle in real time. Those. on their displays, the commander of an artillery battalion, a ship, fighter pilots, central command, etc., sees the same thing. Depending on the target and effectiveness, it is chosen how to hit the target with a projectile, tomahawk or aerial bomb.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 47
        +4
        This is not only a connection between 2 types of fighters, it is a system that connects all participants in a combined arms battle in real time.
        in the field: "Combat Cloud" in a distributed tactical mesh-network, with stable cryptography of noise-immune high-speed data channels! I will add ... hi
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 1 May 2021 09: 38
      +8
      "which cannot be put into the fighters themselves" ////
      -----
      The problem is in the F-22. It has software and hardware from the 90s. And architecture is inflexible. Everything is "stitched" tightly.
      The F-35 has all the most modern and open architecture. With light upgrades if needed.
      Therefore, even with the outdated F-16s of the 4th generation, the F-35s are easy to talk to, but they cannot with the F-22s of the 5th generation.
      1. dauria
        dauria 1 May 2021 11: 40
        0
        The F-35 has all the most modern and open architecture. With light upgrades if needed.


        Yes, the glider has turned into a computer case with a power supply ... laughing Nurse, vidyuhu and "screw" can be thrown away as obsolete. For the exchange standard on board ARINC 429?
        In principle, the move is correct, the overwhelming majority of aircraft should fly "silently", not crow once again on the air. And the information should be "presented" to them by others, the exposure of which does not give the enemy anything in "disclosing plans"
        Just boast in vain, the Swedes blinded the same thing on Gripen. One smart one with a laptop and four black loaders on the freeway are getting ready to take off. wassat
    5. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 1 May 2021 13: 53
      +1
      Quote: nnm
      How strange it is - really, for a bundle in one system, you need such bulky equipment ...

      Laughter and laughter, but the problem is in integrating the F-22 into a network-centric control system - it was initially devoid of terminals. It seems to me that Dragon Lady does not even perform the function of a repeater, but a hub that combines various data transfer protocols.
      Americans know how to calculate the budget - that means it's more profitable ... or for the sake of this they refused to turn on the machine request
  4. prior
    prior 1 May 2021 08: 08
    0
    Explosion of a tiny neutron charge ... and the airlock is tightly closed. bully
    1. KCA
      KCA 1 May 2021 08: 28
      +2
      A tiny one is not enough, it is enough to fill all the blocks with high-density polyethylene and that's it, the neutrons will be delayed, and the radio waves pass quietly
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 21
      +3
      Explosion of a tiny neutron charge ... and the airlock is tightly closed. bully
      To begin with, it still needs to be created, installed in a delivery vehicle and launched without a palette, and if its belonging and work on this very neutron weapon is revealed, other graters will already be used in high offices ... laughing
    3. paco.soto
      paco.soto 1 May 2021 10: 21
      0

      prior
      Today, 08: 08
      NEW
      +2
      Explosion of a tiny neutron charge ... and the airlock is tightly closed. bully
      Reply
      © ©
      Neutral opinion: I read the article with my morning coffee, google everything, read the comments with pleasure - and here you are ...
  5. andrewkor
    andrewkor 1 May 2021 08: 19
    +1
    Avaks are a priority target for any air defense. This also applies to the Lady.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 24
      +1
      This also applies to the Lady.
      Duc, it should not enter the air defense zone, it will patrol on the border, in the area of ​​the air borders of the union state, and only, at the same time, for a long time and on the ceiling, and then, as the card will fall, they can or want to dump it, in foreign airspace!
      1. K150
        K150 1 May 2021 09: 36
        0
        Well, yes, and of course, during the war with NATO, we will watch how this trough flies near our borders and our air defense system is guns, isn't it funny to believe in that?
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 1 May 2021 09: 54
          +1
          In the conduct of hostilities, there is no concept of a border, there is a concept of a front line ... So you can blame. wink
          1. dauria
            dauria 1 May 2021 11: 05
            0
            In the conduct of hostilities, there is no concept of a border, there is a concept of a front line ..

            Switzerland didn't think so. And she brought down all the planes flying into its territory. Both the Germans and the British. wink
            And after all, they were not afraid to run into a scandal ... It's amazing that no one broke her for unforgivable impudence.
            1. paco.soto
              paco.soto 1 May 2021 12: 31
              0
              Switzerland didn't think so. And she brought down all the planes flying into its territory. Both the Germans and the British. wink
              And after all, they were not afraid to run into a scandal ... It's amazing that no one broke her for unforgivable impudence.
              Reply
              © ©
              Neutral opinion: scratching his beard - "live and learn", to my shame I do not know this fact in history. Please share the links, thank you in advance!
              1. dauria
                dauria 1 May 2021 12: 38
                +2
                Please share the links, thank you in advance!

                Subtracted in one of the magazines "Aviation and Time", of course I do not remember. We flew on messers BF.109E bought from the Germans. And the fact is known, even on the "wiki".
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A8%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%86%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8
                1. paco.soto
                  paco.soto 1 May 2021 13: 28
                  0
                  Thank you. I will rummage on the Internet from your link - maybe I will find something unknown to me.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 56
          +3
          Well, yes, and of course, during the war with NATO, we will watch how this trough flies near our borders and our air defense system is guns, isn't it funny to believe in that?
          Hmm, not only cannons, as they like to rub it pathetically on the channels, like: "Zvezda"! winked Only, here's the statistics that are real, where already in a new time !?, that have no analogues in the world, well, so that you understand and think at your leisure, but about the cries - that we are all at once, the whole world is in dust - these are past slogans, now already outdated ... laughing
  6. MrFox
    MrFox 1 May 2021 08: 21
    +3
    Isn't that the U2 Powers was on?

    The news had to be supplemented with an essential characteristic of this aircraft - flight altitude, which is more than 21.000 m.

    The decision is logical, even with modest power in watts, the communication range will be hundreds of kilometers to the repeater on U-2
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 26
      +2
      even with modest power in watts, the communication range will be hundreds of kilometers to the repeater on U-2
      most likely, there will already be several hundred at this altitude, and the power is not in units of watts !?
    2. K150
      K150 1 May 2021 09: 36
      -4
      Our moment-31 flies higher
  7. Nadrub
    Nadrub 1 May 2021 08: 33
    +4
    These are Americans ... you should exchange data more carefully there ... otherwise you will come back with installed Yandex and state servants :)
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 34
      +1
      These are Americans ... you should exchange data more carefully there ... otherwise you will come back with installed Yandex and state servants :)
      Maybe vice versa, with the latest versions of Stuxnet (a), for the Aerospace Forces and Rosatom, right on board some Tu-214R, or Il-80/82 !?
  8. Popandos
    Popandos 1 May 2021 08: 49
    +2
    Great, now if U-2 is on the radar, it means "stealth" is somewhere nearby.
    I'm not an expert in radar, but something tells me that this scout can be seen from afar.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 43
      +1
      I'm not an expert in radar, but something tells me that this scout can be seen from afar.
      And what's the point, well, you see him, but he is not in your airspace and is high, and ...., looked and that's enough !? wink
      1. Popandos
        Popandos 1 May 2021 09: 51
        +3
        This will be an unmasking sign, that's enough.
        In a military conflict, land and air borders lose their meaning.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 59
          +5
          This will be an unmasking sign, that's enough.
          exactly ... only if you look "for a long time" in the review - at the mark of this "unmasking sign", a real and not a sign can arrive from the F-22 or F-35! ("If you look into the abyss for a long time, it starts to look into you" wink )
  9. spech
    spech 1 May 2021 08: 52
    +3
    Server in the air !!! Ahtung! Alyarm!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 41
      +1
      Server in the air !!! Ahtung! Alyarm!
      Or similar, only already unmanned versions:


  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 1 May 2021 09: 17
    +2
    This can be compared to someone who had radio communications in technology before the Second World War or did not (waved flags). And this is even more important than the presence of the 5th generation ... it can be fine in 4 ++
  11. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 1 May 2021 09: 19
    -2
    In honor of this, the U-2 was made a supersonic stealth fighter, and the pilot, in addition to a pistol, was handed a saber!
  12. SpbGenn
    SpbGenn 1 May 2021 09: 40
    0
    Didn't you think what would happen in the absence of any radio communication? Or massive EMP? And why 5 years ago was the reconciliation of the barrage practiced in exercises ?!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 09: 52
      +2
      Or massive EMP?
      hinting at the use of SBS, to create that very "ghostly" impulse of evil photons, in airspace, well then this is the first swallow, for the arrival of the "northern fur animal" to all progressive and not very Humanity, it will not be seen in any other way , and even more so for everyone ...
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 May 2021 10: 08
    +1
    it took years to create such a gateway
    And you can close the airlock with one U-2 missile in a matter of minutes.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 20: 32
      +1
      And you can close the airlock with one U-2 missile in a matter of minutes.
      It would be real if he were alone in the sky as in the past and over the enemy's territory, but does he have an escort? in which just for these purposes the F-35 and those just, will respond with other means of the air defense complex, such as:
      The aircraft will be able to solve the problems of anti-radar warfare with the help of a new AARGM-ER missile placed in the internal compartments, which is a further development of the well-known AGM-88E anti-radar missile. The guidance system, in addition to the passive radar, included an active millimeter-wave radar channel, an inertial-satellite correction unit and two-way data transmission equipment. The supersonic missile is estimated to have a range of up to 190 km, thereby providing the potential to destroy all existing and future anti-aircraft missile systems. It can be argued with a high degree of probability that it is the combination of F-35 and AARGM-ER that poses the greatest danger to Russia due to the noticeably increasing threat to the air defense system.
      According to new data voiced by the Americans in the defense budget proposal for the 2020 fiscal year, the possibility of turning the AARGM-ER missile into a universal tactical strike complex appears. Thus, the F-35 can get a relatively cheap "long arm" unified with an anti-radar missile.
      As a result: the F-35 is likely to receive a whole complex of the latest weapons systems, among which there are several main ones:
      - a system like the Sidekick, which allows to place up to six medium-range air-to-air missiles inside the fuselage;
      - anti-radar missile Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range (AARGM-ER);
      - universal miniature bomb GBU-53 / B;
      - anti-ship missile Joint Strike Missile;
      - cruise missile AGM-158 and its modifications.



      plus U-2, already with modernization, the era of May 1, 1960, passed 61 years ago, and the tactics changed when using these birds!
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 1 May 2021 10: 23
    +2
    Data exchange through the gateway to U-2: F-22 and F-35 fighters will be able to participate in joint operations
    ... Everything is logical. They continue to bring to mind the concept, tactics that were originally planned.
    There is a "tool", it is necessary to bring the system to the readiness of effective use.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 20: 40
      +2
      Everything is logical. They continue to bring to mind the concept, tactics that were originally planned.
      There is nowhere more logical, the roles were wisely assigned, the F-22 air cover of the U-2, and the 35th takes over strike functions against ground targets, either previously identified, or when this group is in flight, and the U-2 monitors the "ground" including the SAM, directly transmits tactical data to these two and to the control center + repeater to the heap ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 May 2021 22: 35
        +1
        So that and what is special, you just need to know how it can be, prepare measures / tactics of counteraction, in advance.
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  16. Maks1995
    Maks1995 1 May 2021 11: 28
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    It is logical. They have been testing such systems for a long time. They often write.

    They wrote that we are also trying, but on the 1st drill SU57 it is very inconvenient. It’s very simple.
  17. paco.soto
    paco.soto 1 May 2021 13: 04
    0
    Got it. Thank you. And I apologize for my irritation. Ya is a meticulous old man, if sometimes there is time - read VO, google on the topic - "oh .... vayu" from incomprehensible unprofessionalism to me in any article, I read the forum - I am generally amazed! I congratulate you with a smile May 1 nostalgic!
  18. alien308
    alien308 1 May 2021 20: 22
    +2
    A good solution, the U-2 will operate for hundreds of kilometers at high altitude with a narrow beamforming antenna and a broadband channel with an out-of-beam spectral density less thermal noise. Try this serif. To suppress this joy, AWACS and radio reconnaissance aircraft are needed. And where are they? And how many are there?
  19. basal
    basal 2 May 2021 00: 44
    0
    Some kind of nonsense. Was the U-2 adapted instead of AWACS? How's that? Instead of reconnaissance equipment, did they push communication units? Miracles do not happen, if U-2 is a flying server, then it is no longer a scout. Why not CP71? With his three Machs. Looks like it is still needed, but the U-2 had to be adapted somewhere. He has a maximum speed of 800 km / h., And even then at 20 km altitude. He can only get away from a piston fighter. For MIG-31, such a slow and clumsy target is for happiness. And outside the interception zone ... well, the whole pack of F-oks will also be outside the network coverage area. Well, why all this?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 2 May 2021 01: 46
      +2
      Some kind of nonsense. Was the U-2 adapted instead of AWACS? How's that? Instead of reconnaissance equipment, did they push communication units? Miracles do not happen, if U-2 is a flying server, then it is no longer a scout. Why not CP71? With his three Machs. Looks like it is still needed, but the U-2 had to be adapted somewhere. He has a maximum speed of 800 km / h., And even then at 20 km altitude. He can only get away from a piston fighter. For MIG-31, such a slow and clumsy target is for happiness. And outside the interception zone ... well, the whole pack of F-oks will also be outside the network coverage area. Well, why all this?
      Why, so sharply, about nonsense !?
      a) SR-71, more expensive and operating cost (flight hour), plus there are not so many of them left, it is more difficult in piloting, just because of its cruising speed !?
      b) Blocks of avionics in the field of tactical communications, since the 60s are now more compact and lightweight, and their performance compared to that time ... than then and instead of the EOC of that time (the fact is that since 1957 for The U-2 has developed several pieces of unique reconnaissance equipment, including the SYERS-2B multispectral electron-optical cameras. Currently, the military is considering RQ-2 drones as a replacement for the U-4, on which it is planned to mount reconnaissance aircraft equipment using a special adapter. )
      , it will not be difficult to put them, as a replacement for the target load, during modernization;
      c) 800 km / h, for a repeater, most of it with its practical ceiling and range, the satellite will be more expensive with comparable characteristics, plus with the possibility of developing anti-satellite orbital countermeasures, is no longer such an attractive platform for use in local conflicts;
      1. basal
        basal 2 May 2021 22: 35
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        You did not understand. "Nonsense" refers to the fact that I did not understand what is the old U2 here? Its prohibitive height for the 60s is not an argument now. There is no speed or stealth. Initially focused exclusively on exploration. What's the point of making it up? There is AWACS - I finished it and go ahead. The same deck Orion, why not? AWACS aircraft were originally designed to solve similar problems. Finally, variants of fighters - the leaders of unmanned aerial vehicles - are being developed with might and main. And is it so easy to re-equip the U2? When developing 70 years ago, it was literally licked, otherwise the required performance characteristics could not be achieved. So I’m thinking, are there no simpler solutions, or are we again unable to understand the American genius?