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Further innovations in the field of education of our country. The Russian Ministry of Education has proposed to tighten the regulation of educational activities. All foreign agents on the territory of Russia will be prohibited from engaging in education. In principle, it is quite logical. There is nothing to educate the minds of growing Russians with foreign money.


All the rest will be banned from educational activities without registration of the appropriate packages of documents.

It is very interesting that the bill on restrictions on educational activities was developed by a group of deputies headed by the chairman of the Federation Council commission for the protection of sovereignty, Andrei Klimov. What is especially interesting is that among the authors there is not a single representative of the State Duma Committee on Science and Education.

The document introduces the concept "Educational activities" and prohibits doing it without the authorization of the authorities.

The authors of the project, in an explanatory note to the project, said that anti-Russian propaganda, sowing of discord and propaganda of extremism are being carried out en masse in Russian schools and universities. Full set. And all this under the guise of educational activities.

Have I read the bill? Was reading. The link is at the end of the material, everyone can also read and draw their own conclusions. Personally, I categorically disliked the vague and vague formulations, under which anything can be adjusted.

Scientists, including those from the Russian Academy of Sciences, did not like them either. The RAS Presidium sent a request to the Duma to withdraw the bill. A lot of protests emerged from among Russian teachers of the most varied levels.

They compare the bill with the darkest and most perverted censorship of the Soviet era.

The petition on change.org has garnered nearly 250 signatures. It is clear that the efforts of the initiator, Doctor of Science and MSU teacher Sergei Popov, will lead nowhere.

Very dark times await teachers and educators. How they know how to bureaucratic everything is not necessary to tell. And if it really comes to the point that the state will begin to license educational activities ...

The very fact of who will do this is simply dumbfounded. Who will evaluate the level of training of teachers and, say, those who talk on the Internet about how to cook deliciously?

According to the law passed by the Duma, this is all from one field of beets. And today both scientists and politicians Mizulina and Poklonskaya are against the law. Everyone who understands the stupidity and danger of this law, which simply increases the threat of punishment for everyone who is engaged in educational activities. From lecturers and teachers to organizers of various events. And do not discount sites such as libraries and village and township clubs where such events can be organized.

However, despite all the protests, the State Duma adopted the bill (albeit only in the third reading) on ​​March 16, and the Federation Council, as expected, approved the law on March 31.

RAS once again in March tried to oppose the bill and wrote a letter to Putin with a request not to put his signature on this document.

However, Putin, "outraged" by the textbooks stories, which were written by people clearly not from the street, signed the law. It happened on April 5. And now the law will come into force on June 1 this year.

We were very much waiting for an accompanying document from the Government, which can clarify the blurred wording. The project was developed and published on April 24, but nothing became clearer.

The draft resolution, however, lists all forms of activity that in the future may be recognized as educational. it lectures, master classes, webinars, discussions, round tables, courses and marathons.

Moreover, as smart people with advanced degrees say, the project allows for a very free interpretation of the directions of educational activities.

Meanwhile, it will be possible to send anything for educational activities: psychology, photography, video editing, cooking, and so on. In general, almost everything that the Internet lives on today.

And not only the Internet. The decree covers all contacts with universities, museums, libraries, schools and colleges. For example, I have a psychologist friend who takes part in library programs with pleasure. And libraries work with it remotely with great pleasure, it is convenient and beneficial for everyone. Everything?

Meanwhile, educational activity is the right of everyone, in my opinion. I can tell everyone about how to take a photo. The traveler should have the right to tell about the countries and places that he has seen. The culinary specialist should have the right to tell about delicious and healthy dishes. The psychologist should have the right to talk about how, for example, to save a family from a difficult situation.

Without a diploma and without a contract. Just. Because such activities are beneficial. Because it is everyone's right.

But no. We are deprived of this right. Moreover, if you look closely at the muddy and vague wording of the law, it becomes clear that almost everything can be written a complaint in the rank of denunciation. It does not matter from what motives, the main thing is that it will be possible to write “where necessary”.

The draft decree says that education without licensing and contracts will become punishable. And so something, but we have learned to punish law-abiding people. But as one literary character said, if you crush the law once, then another time, then start plugging the holes in the investigation, as it will be convenient for you and me, then it will not be a law, but a brush!

That is, the enlightener, in order to carry out activities, will have to first "conclude an agreement with the organization of science, culture or education." This is exactly what was announced in the draft resolution.

That is, if a person who has a certain store of knowledge, before sharing this knowledge on the same Internet, will be obliged to conclude an agreement with any institution that has the right and license to operate. And here the question is whether the institution will want to conclude this agreement. And if he doesn't want to? That is, free informing of the population will be prohibited.

By the way, many modern scientists talk about the achievements of science on the Internet for free. No contracts or licenses. They just give knowledge to those who are interested.

From June 1, everything will have to change. To begin with, it will be determined who will be able to engage in educational work in Russia.

Both legal entities and individuals will be able to engage in educational activities. At the same time, legal entities should not be included in the register of foreign agents.

Not everything is simple with individuals and individual entrepreneurs either. They have to:
- be of legal age;
- have at least two years of experience in educational activities;
- not have restrictions on pedagogical activity, which are provided for by the TC;
- have no criminal record and socially dangerous diseases.

You know, it's very difficult for me to imagine a Nobel laureate from any country abroad. How will he provide all these certificates, that he is not convicted, not sick, and so on. It looks barbaric in general.

Yes, and there are questions to legal entities. Why can't the foreign agent tell about what we don't know? It all depends on what kind of foreign agent it is. Yes, if, say, the global LGBT movement looms behind the shoulder of a legal entity, this is one thing. And any research institution that is financed from the budget of another country - is it necessarily harm?

Yes, and with experience, too, nonsense turns out. On the one hand, yes, the information space will be cleared of all "experts", but on the other hand, why can't a person not from the educational sphere take and share his impressions of reading or viewing?

This is censorship, you know. First, the state will determine WHO can speak, and then it will determine WHAT should be said. And the indistinctness of definitions will give rise to a huge number of interpretations and interpretations.

And it is immediately clear whose interpretations will be correct. Controlling bodies that will undoubtedly take place. Well, we simply cannot do otherwise in the country. If there is something that needs to be controlled, then it should be controlled immediately with punitive functions. Features of Russian life.

Excuse me, but what about freedom of thought? Freedom of speech? The freedom to search and transmit information? Incidentally, this is taken from the Constitution. That is, the new law may easily be inconsistent with the Constitution. And, by the way, the "transmission of information" guaranteed by the Constitution is, in fact, training or educational activities. The bottom line is in the transmission of information.

To be honest, in our country, in terms of education, everything is sad in the country. Will be worse. Simply because the same Roskomnadzor or on whom the right to punish for violations, as usual, will begin to punish those who will simply be reached. But not those who sow "reasonable, good, eternal" with the opposite polarity. It is a fact.

And minors will still graze on their websites and sections "YouTube" and "Tik-tok". And the state will not be able to do anything about it. Proven by Ukraine, by the way. No matter how they would not want to protect their citizens from the pernicious influence of a neighbor, nothing came of it. And we will have the same.

In general, to the delight of Mr. Gref, the dullness of the younger generations will continue. But strictly censored in accordance with the requirements of state policy.

One of the authors of the bill, deputy Aleksey Chepa (spravoss), said that the law is primarily aimed at combating the propaganda of drugs, unhealthy lifestyles, terrorism and "values ​​alien to the Russian people" such as same-sex marriage.

Sorry, that's stupid. Lectures and seminars do not in any way increase the use of drugs by young children. This is achieved by slightly different methods. The authors of the law, perhaps, do not know this, but they do not really need to know it.

Another issue is the eradication of dissent. This is more understandable. Ideological control, censorship of everything that spills out into the information space - it is clear what they want in the State Duma.

We need a dumber society that will not go to rallies and processions. Initially, because society will not have enough brains to really understand who to go for, for Putin or for Navalny. And, accordingly, these demonstrative reprisals will not be needed, since there will be no one to deal with.

How not to recall the Soviet times, when everyone was “for”. For one candidate out of one proposed. And nothing, they flew into space, built ships, lived in general.

But now is a little bit wrong. But the attempt of the authorities to revive precisely the Soviet models of censorship in order to establish a system of ideological control is understandable. And the repressions that are expected to fall on the part of the population that are "against" are understandable. Nobody has the right to be “against”. This means that we just need to revive the Soviet society "Knowledge", which will develop, approve and implement those forms of education that are beneficial to the authorities.

But this will not only lead to complete apoliticality in some 20 years, it will lead to degradation. But, apparently, even according to the behests of Mr. Gref, this is exactly what is needed.

Many people see that such restrictions will not improve the situation with the brains of Russians. Alas, an intelligent electorate is not beneficial to the current government. You need an audience completely incapable of meaningful protest. Smart protest, not at silly processions and fights with the police and other security forces, but smart discussion on various platforms.

And if there are no platforms or an audience capable of realizing their thoughts on these platforms, then there is nothing to worry about. For marginal manifestations, there is the police, riot police, Rosgvardia.

And the first step has been taken for this. With which we can all be congratulated. Soviet censorship in education is returning. With all the ensuing consequences. And with the need to license the brains of everyone who wants to eat something with others.

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  1. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 4 May 2021 15: 10
    +10
    "The document introduces the concept of" educational activities "and prohibits engaging in it without the authorization of the authorities." - parents will not be allowed to teach their children, only school.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 4 May 2021 15: 23
      +8
      And all the recipes will disappear from the Internet, and how to fix, and how to tie, and how to cure ... recourse
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 17: 49
        +12
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And all the recipes will disappear from the Internet, and how to fix, and how to tie, and how to cure ...

        Well, tor or vpn has not been canceled yet.))))) These are ridiculous attempts. The people will only get even more angry.
        1. Angry Alt-Right
          Angry Alt-Right 4 May 2021 19: 30
          +2
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          And all the recipes will disappear from the Internet, and how to fix, and how to tie, and how to cure ...

          Well, tor or vpn has not been canceled yet.))))) These are ridiculous attempts. The people will only get even more angry.

          It will be like a "cart": Zharov surnames himself, so to speak, having knocked down half of the uninvolved Runet in an attempt to do this! laughing
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 19: 42
            +3
            Quote: Angry Alt-Right
            It will be like a "cart": Zharov surnames himself, so to speak, having knocked down half of the uninvolved Runet in an attempt to do this!

            Most likely it will be, if the Chinese do not "help" them, then only bridges tor and foreign dts, with their own vpn.
            1. Angry Alt-Right
              Angry Alt-Right 4 May 2021 19: 49
              +3
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Most likely it will be, if the Chinese do not "help" them, then only bridges tor and foreign dts, with their own vpn.

              Even the Chinese, who, in principle (unlike us), launched the use of the Internet in their country on the so-called "white sheet", have a far from ideal system.
              There are guides for bypassing the "great Chinese firewall". At least I heard about their existence (no need). Even in this matter, the technical "genius" of the Chinese should not be overestimated.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 21: 08
                +3
                Quote: Angry Alt-Right
                Even the Chinese, who basically ....

                Yes, everything is so, they have fewer eyes than ours.)))))
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 4 May 2021 21: 10
        -1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And all the recipes will disappear from the Internet, and how to fix, and how to tie, and how to cure ...

        parents will not be allowed to teach their children, only school.

        For those who do not like to read the proposed documents and their plus:
        ".....POSITION
        on the implementation of educational activities
        1.This Regulation establishes the procedure, conditions and forms for the implementation of educational activities in organizations carrying out educational, scientific and cultural activities, as well as the procedure for monitoring it ... "(excerpt from a document that the author incorrectly called a draft law. In fact, this is a government decree approving the provision of PD. However, from the category of documents approved by law)
        In school, as in the structure of the official and fundamental in the education system, the product of education, as education, must be sound, tested and consistent. Without any sorosyatiny and other liberal "bohemians" with the slogans "I see it this way" and "I have the right without obligations." But outside of school, teach your kids whatever you want for your budget and the risk of consequences. Accordingly, you yourself will reap the "fruits" of your efforts. Quite reasonable, I think.
        1. Fenia04
          Fenia04 5 May 2021 07: 59
          -3
          Quote: Hagen
          For those who do not like to read the proposed documents and their plus

          So it's easier to shout louder - "it is his fault" Help!
          People, be smart.
      3. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus 11 May 2021 11: 58
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And all the recipes will disappear from the Internet, and how to fix, and how to tie, and how to cure.


        I'm afraid it won't. Especially with YouTube. The main thing is not to turn off comments to videos, and voila - "training" turns into a dialogue on a given topic. Without the involvement of the court, such a dialogue will be very difficult to bring under the formal concept of enlightenment. Education implies a one-way dissemination of information, any public feedback negates this term.
    2. knn54
      knn54 4 May 2021 15: 32
      +3
      All to fight "illegal" brains.
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      2. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 4 May 2021 16: 12
        +19
        Quote: knn54
        All to fight "illegal" brains.

        We don't need smart ones. We need the faithful.
        Literate? To count you! Do you write poems? On stake! Do you know the tables? You know too much!
        Something our Russia is starting to resemble Arkanar more and more ...
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 4 May 2021 17: 47
          +13
          And to the farmyard too.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 5 May 2021 03: 09
            -1
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            And to the farmyard too.

            Apparently, one "Koli s Urengoy" is not enough to start thinking ...
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 17: 56
          +8
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Something our Russia is starting to resemble Arkanar more and more ...

          Will we wait for monks from the order?))))) VTsIOM is now conducting a survey, so there is one of the questions that "do you approve of the introduction of Orthodoxy as a compulsory subject in primary school?")))))
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 4 May 2021 18: 22
            +7
            Very dark times await teachers and educators. How they know how to bureaucratic everything is not necessary to tell. And if it really comes to the point that the state will begin to license educational activities ...
            Any, even the most necessary and correct idea can be brought to the point of absurdity. Only to me (very) it seems that there is an open and shameless sabotage. Then the anecdote about "the grace of God flows the current" will be a reality and no one will be surprised. Oh yes! They will introduce "ORTHODOXY and RUSSIAN SPIRITUALITY", as the ministers of the cult understand it. Nobody will ask real ascetics and priests, and they will not ask either.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 4 May 2021 22: 57
              +8
              Quote: AKuzenka
              Any, even the most necessary and correct idea can be brought to the point of absurdity.

              It doesn't. It doesn't smell like absurdity. A couple of lectures, from which London / Washington teacher to listen - no way. For this is an evil NGO, and the enemy of the people will grow out of you. Straight straight away. But for megapatriots Lavrov and Zolotov, sending a daughter / grandson to study in the very stronghold of these NGOs is a manifestation of patriotism. Yeah.
              But in fact, everything is extremely simple. Our elite is trying to create two societies with two different morals. One for yourself. This is exactly the western one. With permissiveness, setting profit above all else, etc. The second is for the electorate. Pseudo-communist. So that we tightened our belts together, rallied well, and so on. The main thing is to obey unquestioningly, and do not ask to eat.
              And where do you see the absurdity? It will be absurd only if there are no specially chosen ones who can do everything. And the gray cattle, which can not do anything. And in the situation in the country now ... Everything is extremely logical and pragmatic. yes
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 5 May 2021 13: 40
                -1
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                But for megapatriots Lavrov and Zolotov, sending a daughter / grandson to study in the very stronghold of these NGOs is a manifestation of patriotism.

                Why don't you send? At the Sorbonne, the reception is free. True, they fly out if the preparation does not match ... And there is a nuance. Specialists, charged with Russia, come to Russia. And there, with them, the majority of Russians study in one heap as Indian or Czech students. Given that the study "with them" is not yet an indicator of the presence or absence of a warm attitude towards their country. But how, for example, can you educate a lawyer in Scandinavian law (in demand at Gazprom), if you don't study or stay on probation in Sweden? Another thing is that it is desirable to finish school with knowledge of a foreign language, and this is already the work of parents in the process of a child's studies practically from elementary school. So if you want to be an elite, become it. Putin was not a count, neither was Sechin. You just have to plow. Both children and parents.
                1. Lannan Shi
                  Lannan Shi 5 May 2021 14: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Why don't you send?

                  Mine is somehow more concerned with the question of elementary school, for the senior, and the nursery for the younger. This time. And two ... What kind of sorbon? You have been legally explained that in sorbons only enemies of the Motherland hang out, who, according to their mind, immediately from sorbon, but on bunks it would be necessary. For sorborn - solid foreign agents. Or do you think that our legislators are essentially traitors, and by their creativity have deprived us of access to quality education? And on the bunk we need not the Sorbonists, but our Duma members. Nuuu .... I will not say that I am strongly against it. lol
                  Quote: Hagen
                  But how, for example, can you educate a lawyer in Scandinavian law (in demand at Gazprom), if you don't study or stay on probation in Sweden?

                  Those. Gazsprem is a unique organization that can officially serve as a haven for foreign agents and be a nest of extremism, banditry and terrorism? laughing Let's think logically. Either this law is complete garbage, or the road to agents of influence should be closed. Especially in a company of a strategic level. And education abroad should be a wolf ticket. With whom not only will not be taken to Gazprom, but also to the sewers. For the enemy and the traitor by default. yes
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Putin was not a count, neither was Sechin

                  They are not counts even now. And not even seedy Chevaliers. But as an illustration to the article - from rags to riches, the appearance of the nouveau riche, moral and physical ... Just perfect. This couple have cockroaches of such calibers, and in such quantities ... American bison, 18th century, could be envious, and personal dimensions, and the size of herds. yes
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 5 May 2021 14: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    What is sorbon? They explained to you by law that only enemies of the Motherland hang out in sorbons,

                    This is your interpretation. There is not a word about this in the law.
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    Those. Gazsprem is a unique organization that can officially serve as a haven for foreign agents and be a nest of extremism, banditry and terrorism?

                    I don't think Gazprom is unique. Any firm working with foreign counterparties indicates the arbitration in which disputes between the parties are considered. And this arbitration is usually on a third party. Gazprom has registered the Stockholm arbitration tribunal, which operates under Scandinavian law. It is logical that employees of the legal department should be aware of the specifics of this right.
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    from rags to riches, the appearance of the nouveau riche, moral and physical ...

                    Your artistic description of faces unfamiliar to you is on my side, because your political views are known to me, and I do not agree with you in everything. I gave them as an example that your children, with proper education, can count on a pretty decent career in life. But to get this proper education, you have to try, and not even so much for the children as for you.
                    1. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 5 May 2021 15: 01
                      +2
                      Quote: Hagen
                      This is your interpretation. There is not a word about this in the law.

                      The law says black in Russian. Foreign agents are categorically unacceptable for teaching Russians. Sorbona is 100% foreign agents. Actually ... After such a law, the recognition of diplomas and certificates of all foreign educational institutions should be refused. For they are entirely foreign agents, and by default they do not meet the high standards of our education.
                      Quote: Hagen
                      It is logical that the employees of the legal department should be aware of the specifics of this right.

                      It is logical that the requirement not to learn from foreign agents would apply to 100% of Russians, and not to 99 or there 95. But taking agents of influence brought up by MI6, CIA and other Mossads into a state company is, on the contrary, extremely illogical. yes
                      Quote: Hagen
                      Your artistic description of unfamiliar faces

                      Laponka, we live in the 21st century, not in the 11th. And now a personal acquaintance with Sechin is by no means necessary to know about his disease under the name - got hold of the golden toilet bowl. yes
                      Quote: Hagen
                      I gave them as an example that your children, with proper education, can count on a pretty decent career.

                      Laponka. Even though I am an atheist, I bring up my daughters in the spirit of Christian values. Well, in the sense, do not lie, do not steal, do not betray, do not commit adultery, etc. So ... A career in the style of gdp and sechin does not shine for them by default. If, of course, I can bring up the way I would like. yes Now, if I fail as a teacher, then I do not exclude it.
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 5 May 2021 16: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        The law says black in Russian. Foreign agents are categorically unacceptable for teaching Russians.

                        I once wrote an excerpt from the position in the top commentary - everything that is limited there concerns Russian educational and cultural institutions. Those. when concluding contracts with legal entities or individuals for educational activities, they must comply with certain conditions. Only. What is Sorbona foreign agent? laughing Collected a child, a magic pendel and - to France, study for health.
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        But taking agents of influence brought up by MI-6, CIA and other Mossads into a state company, on the contrary, is extremely illogical.

                        But this is already paranoia. You are with a telecom, as it were, it's easier ...
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        Laponka, we live in the 21st century, not in the 11th

                        Girl, I am one and a half times older than you and do not fit under the "paws". If you are claiming Christian values, then yourself do not go beyond the bounds of ethics, if possible, please. I repeat, I don't care what you think about Sechin there. I have already said why I gave an example. I think that's enough.
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        So ... A career in the style of gdp and sechin does not shine for them by default.

                        Sechin's style or VVP is from an ordinary court through study and work to serious and interesting posts. Not necessarily the presidency of countries, but why put a barrier to your children in the first place? Although, your children, it's up to you to decide ... And not to fail, in principle, is not so difficult. Your kids should be your top priority hobby. Love will tell you what to do and in what cases.
                      2. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 5 May 2021 17: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: Hagen
                        concerns Russian educational and cultural institutions.

                        Those. an educational institution in which 1 out of 10 foreign agents is an absolute evil, but the one in which there are 10 of these out of 12 is the same absolute good? Well yes. Although you are a man, judging by your nickname, but for some reason, jokes about blondes come to mind.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        But this is already paranoia. You and the telecom, as it were, are easier ..

                        With a telecom I am very easy, I have it as a bedside table under a vase. The last time it turned on was about a year ago. But I am friends with logic. What is the purpose of the bill? Is it easy to screw up students and teachers? If so, then there are no questions. If you can really get rid of agents of influence ... And where is it easier to grow them? In muhokakinsk, what, or in Landona? And if we are fighting foreign agents, then the first step is to prohibit work in government agencies for everyone, like Lavrov's daughter and Zolotov's granddaughter. For them, just in the Landones and New Yorkers, they were processed for their own pleasure. And not 1 foreign agent per class / course, but a platoon for each especially elite stigma.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        then yourself do not go beyond the scope of ethics, if possible, please.

                        And I don't go out. I communicate humbly and affectionately. Even with those who deserve an extremely abusive speech. yes
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Sechin's style or VVP is from an ordinary courtyard through

                        Lies, betrayal, self-righteousness, vanity, pride, however, open the list of sins, there these characters are half suitable, if not more. That is why I say that if even a mediocre teacher emerges from me, a career similar to the guarantee and Sechin's one, my children will not be threatened. Because I want to raise decent people out of them, and not the guarantors and heads of Rosneft yes
                      3. Hagen
                        Hagen 5 May 2021 18: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        Those. an educational institution in which 1 out of 10 foreign agents is an absolute evil, but the one in which there are 10 of these out of 12 is the same absolute good?

                        Something you all lump in one heap. By definition, there are no foreign agents in our educational institutions, because the entire staff is assembled according to a professional standard. A foreign agent should not be a contractor with whom an agreement is concluded for a lecture hall, conference, etc., not included in the educational program. In this case, the foreign agent is "..... non-profit organizations (NPO), which:
                        deal "Political activity" on the territory of Russia (the organization “participates (including through financing) in organizing and conducting political actions in order to influence the adoption of decisions by state bodies aimed at changing their state policy, as well as in shaping public opinion for the indicated purposes.” (but at the same time “Political activity does not include activities in the field of science, culture, art, health care, prevention and protection of the health of citizens, social support and protection of citizens, protection of motherhood and childhood, social support for disabled people, promotion of a healthy lifestyle, physical culture and sports, protection of animals and flora, charity) and
                        receive "money and other property from foreign states, international and foreign organizations, foreign citizens and stateless persons" .... "Moreover, when you conclude an agreement with a foreign university, you get in it a full range of those educational programs that the university will put in your child's head.Choose those programs that you find useful and promising.
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        What is the purpose of the bill? Is it easy to screw up students and teachers?

                        The goal, in general terms, is to put extracurricular activities at school under control and to prevent such incidents as with Kolya from Urengoy, or so that "kind and professional aunts from the Katyn Committee" do not hammer our children into their heads with their vision of the history of Russian-Polish relations, eg.

                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        I want to raise decent people out of them, not guarantors and heads of Rosneft

                        You are confusing an incident with a principle. But again, these are your children, and I will not advise you on what to do with them. I have two of mine, I know what I'm talking about.
                      4. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 5 May 2021 19: 07
                        +2
                        Quote: Hagen
                        are engaged in "political activities" on the territory of Russia

                        Iiiii ?? But at Columbia University, which is fashionable to send children of ultra-patriot ministers, the Harriman Institute is included at all. He worked for the collapse of the USSR, and now for the destruction of Russia. And in general, he is a forge of personnel for the very State Department, the CIA Pentagon and other ANBs. And they just can't stop working on the children of civil servants of the enemy country. Is it easier for you that Lavrov's daughter was brought up in the spirit of Bzezhinsky and Albright not in Moscow, but in new? The point is to cut off those very scoundrels engaged in "political activities" from the education of loaders and cashiers, and to give into their paws those who, by the time they are 25, are being pushed into ministries and state corporations into leading positions? There is no meaning at all. Unless, of course, the purpose of the bill is to fight for minds. And not for new places for bureaucrats, and for a drink of the budget. Now, if the real goal is to produce a bunch of warm places that will just occupy the Bzezhinsky, Russian-elite children spill, then yes, then everything is extremely logical.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        The goal, in general terms, is to bring extracurricular activities in school under control

                        Those. not to educate, but to control the activity. Well, yes. Not to cure the disease, but to keep the thermometer clean, this is ours, this is Uruguayan. More precisely in Novorusskiy. But the fact that the children of our pseudo-elite are a ready-made fifth column ... What a right little things, it's not Ivanov and Petrov, it's Lavrov and Zolotov, they can be liberal sluts. yes
                        Quote: Hagen
                        You are confusing an incident with a principle.

                        Laponka. That is extremely clear and clear. Our elites are so dishonest that all the bonuses from joining them, in my opinion, are not worth being called a purely human being. Therefore, I do not wish mine to repeat the careers of our beloved's GDP or Sechin. I do not want, in my old age, to despise my children.
                      5. Hagen
                        Hagen 5 May 2021 19: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        Iiiii ??

                        Who offended you so ?!
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        Those. not to educate, but to control the activity.

                        You read the law on education, everything is prescribed there. And about control, and about education and about many other things, no less useful. In general, you are surprised ... Usually you write, albeit harshly, but meaningfully. And then there is some kind of irrational dislike for everything that is higher than the janitor in position ... But this is not my problem ... Do you like it so much? Improves self-esteem? For God's sake...
                      6. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 5 May 2021 20: 19
                        +2
                        Quote: Hagen
                        You read the law on education,

                        For the fifth time. What is the point for me to read the law on education if the authorities are strenuously pushing their children / grandchildren upstairs. Brought up in such institutions, and in such a spirit that the State Department against their background is a stronghold of orthodox communism? That's when the Zolotov and Laurel juniors, with their Harvards, Oxfords, and other nurseries of the very weed, against which you are so indignant, will put a dash in the education column, and will not be able to apply for vacancies above the janitor, then, and only then, to reason there will be at least some sense about our law on education. In the meantime, this law is ruled by the Brzezhinskys and the Albrights, versions of the Russian colonial, this law is a filkin's letter.
                        Dixi.
                      7. Hagen
                        Hagen 6 May 2021 06: 00
                        -1
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        That's when the Zolotov and Laurel juniors, with their Harvards, Oxfords, and other nurseries of the very weed, against which you are so indignant, will put a dash in the education column, and will not be able to apply for vacancies above the janitor, then, and only then, to reason there will be at least some sense about our law on education

                        The Lavrovs and Patrushevs with the Zolotovs think about their children and give them the maximum that they can give. You don’t want to give anything like that, so that you don’t despise your children later, if I understood you correctly. Amusing everyday philosophy. However, to a large extent, therefore, the Lavrovs will rule, and you will adapt. Nobody takes away your right to choose from you. Everything is fair ... request At one time, Peter Romanov, knowing that the Swedes were his enemies, nevertheless, did not hesitate to learn from them.
                      8. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 6 May 2021 08: 43
                        +2
                        After all, I did not want to answer anymore, but this is a damn masterpiece.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        The Lavrovs and Patrushevs with the Zolotovs think about their children and give them the maximum that they can give.

                        Oh, how ... So the upbringing in the enemy's country, in an institution under the supervision of the enemy's special services, by teachers trained to brainwash students, to be loyal to the enemy, or, more simply, to grow types loyal to anyone, but not Russia, this is the best and maximum that our what type of elite can give their children? laughing
                        Laponka ... Why do we need such an elite that deliberately raises enemies of Russia out of their children?
                      9. Hagen
                        Hagen 6 May 2021 09: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        It means that the upbringing of the enemy in the country, in an institution under the supervision of the enemy's special services, by teachers trained to brainwash students, to be loyal to the enemy, or, more simply, to grow types loyal to anyone, but not Russia

                        One can only be upset with such an unreasonable and primitive clip assessment of people who have received not the most significant part of their education over the hill. Simonyan studied in the camp of the enemy for many years, which does not prevent her from working for our (and her) country, while applying her thorough knowledge of the enemy. The reaction, and therefore the position, of other members of the forum is also not happy. Judging by the responses, there are not many who want to actively contribute to the education of their children. It is sad. From the point of view of a global view of the problem. On the other hand, while your point of view prevails among many citizens, the children of your opponents will get a head start in competition in their work activities. In principle, such a pattern is really noticeable in life. Against the background of those who are not lucky with family upbringing and outlook on education, the more active will receive priority. And you can wait, in hatred of your state, when finally the Lavrovsky grandchildren will go to the janitors, even until their children retire ...
                      10. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 6 May 2021 10: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: Hagen
                        On the other hand, while your point of view prevails among many citizens, the children of your opponents will get a head start in competition in their work activities.

                        Excellent commentary. And this is not humor, and not even satire. He just reveals your essence by 101%. Laponka, here you are the most natural American, well, or a European there. Not according to the passport. Upbringing. For you, the only goal in life is to get the maximum profit. I do not even doubt that if tomorrow you are offered to broadcast that Russia is an absolute evil, and it urgently needs to be destroyed, and compensate for this with an increase in income that way by 10-20 times, then this is exactly what you will do. Nothing personal just business. Isn't that a paw?
                        This is really all. And so I spent too much time talking with a globalizing liberal. yes
                      11. Hagen
                        Hagen 6 May 2021 10: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        I do not even doubt that if tomorrow you are offered to broadcast that Russia is an absolute evil, and it urgently needs to be destroyed, and compensate for this with an increase in income that way by 10-20 times, then this is exactly what you will do.

                        In parting, I would advise you never to try to make money on the stock exchange. You have zero analytical skills. Play to smithereens. hi
                    2. Akuzenka
                      Akuzenka 6 May 2021 14: 50
                      -1
                      Judging by the responses, there are not many who want to actively contribute to the education of their children. It is sad. From the point of view of a global view of the problem.
                      Everyone has those who want to give the best possible education to their children. Not everyone has the opportunity. You will remember about it. And accessibility education means accessibility for everyone. My children have been brought up correctly, they know who the enemy is, so I want to send them to study at Oxford, but finances do not allow it. Knowledge of the language allows, but the opportunity is not, at least turn inside out.
                    3. Hagen
                      Hagen 6 May 2021 16: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: AKuzenka
                      so I want to send them to study at Oxford, but finances do not allow

                      Who's stopping you from living within your means? Send your children to RWTH Aachen University, University of Vienna or University of Nantes. Education is free there. Or almost free. And a bunch of programs for all tastes. Decided to postebatsya? Or demonstrate your utter poverty, that there are no 3 "lemons" for a year of study? laughing The deflection under the young lady is counted ...
                    4. Akuzenka
                      Akuzenka 6 May 2021 17: 03
                      -2
                      You are apparently "terribly far from the people," since you do not understand simple things. What will the child live on and what will he eat? Funds for travel, but wants to have some fun? You'd better learn to be at ease with analytics.
                    5. Hagen
                      Hagen 6 May 2021 17: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: AKuzenka
                      What will the child live on and what will he eat? Travel funds

                      And what about the parents? And student part-time work has not been prohibited anywhere. In the same delivery with a free schedule, full-time students manage to earn their bread.
                      And if you are not able to feed your child during his childhood, then why are you fruitful? laughing And even more so to complain that Oxford is not enough is completely sinful. Study at home. God willing, the child himself will earn what the parents were not given ... Here you are just not in the subject ... Teacher ...
                    6. Akuzenka
                      Akuzenka 6 May 2021 17: 18
                      -2
                      And if you are not able to feed your child during his childhood, then why are you fruitful? laughing And even more so to complain that Oxford does not have enough
                      Yes, you are very tight with analytics. I won't even describe why. It is obvious to a person, it is not available to you.
  2. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 6 May 2021 14: 44
    -2
    Laponka. Even though I am an atheist, I bring up my daughters in the spirit of Christian values. Well, in the sense, do not lie, do not steal, do not betray, do not commit adultery, etc. So ... A career in the style of gdp and sechin does not shine for them by default.
    Standing applause !!!!!!! good
  3. Hagen
    Hagen 6 May 2021 16: 25
    +2
    Quote: AKuzenka
    Standing applause !!!!!!!

    What? Sechin's career style is an excellent study at the philology department, participation in a real war in Mozambique and Angola. Earning authority with a real bloody, life-threatening deed. Only after that a person is entrusted with serious matters. Note that he is from an incomplete family, and did not hold a golden spoon in his mouth at birth. And if you cut the lawn under your mother's skirt, in warmth and bliss, then - yes, you can't build a career. Here you can not earn even for bread. How do you applaud standing up? The ones from under the skirt? laughing
  4. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 6 May 2021 17: 07
    -2
    For your analysts I will add that in order to get through to the "top", education is required first of all, and secondly, lack of principle and lack of conscience. In the third, the desire to walk over the "corpses". And only in the fourth persistence and intelligence. And I can joke too.
    For me, one of the examples, Ilyin Viktor Ivanovich is a geophysicist of the highest category, Doctor of Science, a field worker with 30 years of experience, the geography of work is the globe. He is unable to send his grandchildren to study abroad (their parents died saving other children on a business trip). A lot of scientific works, discovered deposits and world-famous students. Yes, and with weapons on you, he had to fight in Africa, albeit against his will. Your Sechin did not bring even a hundredth part of the benefit to the country. Where is the recognition of the country after that? It was stolen, including your Sechin, and judging by your pathos, you have put your hand or want to do it. They took advantage of his labors, throwing him to the sidelines. And Lannan Shi, I applaud, for she is right.
  5. Hagen
    Hagen 6 May 2021 17: 23
    +1
    Quote: AKuzenka
    to get through "up", education is required first of all

    Well, learn. Who's in the way?
    Quote: AKuzenka
    in the second, lack of principle and lack of conscience.

    This is an excuse for the incapable.
    Quote: AKuzenka
    In the third - the desire to walk over the "corpses"

    And in a career, you know, there is competition, and the strongest wins. We have only two generals from the company of cadets, but they all wanted it. That's that. All cannot be the best. Here I agree with you that you need perseverance, intelligence and much more. And you don't have to be mean or some other villain. But in your category, you need to do the job better than everyone else. And if you consider all of your bosses or classmates who have outgrown you in your job growth only "walkers over corpses", then take a look at yourself, maybe it's just you a loser?
  6. Hagen
    Hagen 6 May 2021 17: 37
    0
    Quote: AKuzenka
    Your Sechin did not bring even a hundredth part of the benefit to the country.

    You have not understood anything. We are not talking about Sechin as a person, but about a lifestyle and a desire for professional growth. This is the principle, i.e. the peculiarity of thinking and a set of meaningful actions to achieve success in creating oneself as a person. And any person has enough flaws. Stalin once said that there are no people without flaws, and he admitted their existence in his own country. The main thing is that the balance is positive. You are wandering in concepts. Looking for some ideal personified. And then take a closer look, and on the Sun (for Ilyin the same) you will see spots ... Again disappointment. At the same time, who are you applauding there, it makes no difference to me. If you want, you can and Shi. She, too, does not float in the principles and regulations. From that and shy away from one extreme to another.
  7. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 11 May 2021 12: 07
    -1
    For your analysts, I will add that in order to get through to the "top", education is required first of all, and secondly, lack of principle and lack of conscience. In the third, the desire to walk over the "corpses". And only in the fourth persistence and intelligence.
    First of all, they require pull or loot. Then education is no longer necessary. Perhaps I agree with the rest of the points.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 5 May 2021 18: 14
    -1
    Quote: Hagen
    Gazprom has registered the Stockholm arbitration tribunal, which operates under Scandinavian law. It is logical that the employees of the legal department should be aware of the specifics of this right.

    Judging by the results of the courts, the employees of the legal department are not just in the subject, but quite in legal matters of belmes. And they blame their shoals on the biasedness of the judges.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 5 May 2021 18: 51
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail M
      Judging by the results of the courts, the employees of the legal department are not just in the subject, but quite in legal matters of belmes. And they blame their shoals on the biasedness of the judges.

      Are you a lawyer? Are you familiar with the case file? These "shoals" and foreign lawyers are surprised ... But you, apparently, are more interested in a bucket of slops in Gazprom to pull without much hesitation. Do you have a personal dislike for them?
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 6 May 2021 14: 35
    -1
    And where do you see the absurdity? It will be absurd only if there are no specially chosen ones who can do everything.
    An absurdity in the licensing situation itself. The "cow-like" USSR did not think of this (cut out by the censor). And about different education for different strata of society - this is the logical development of capitalism in the Russian Federation. The "elite" is becoming more and more "elite", social elevators are being filled with concrete. In the Russian Federation it lasts only 30 years, and in the "blessed" West for centuries. I am also disgusted to see this. But the process is running and cannot be stopped.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 4 May 2021 18: 24
    +2
    Something our Russia is starting to resemble Arkanar more and more ...
    I doubt it. "Our" noble dons will not accept executions. They themselves will execute whoever they want!
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 18: 32
      +2
      Quote: AKuzenka
      "Our" noble dons will not accept executions.

      It depends on how much. Why shouldn't the "noble don" get an extra small factory for a couple of pendels?
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 6 May 2021 17: 28
        -1
        It depends on how much. Why shouldn't the "noble don" get an extra small factory for a couple of pendels?
        Look at the root!
  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 4 May 2021 18: 52
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: knn54
    All to fight "illegal" brains.

    We don't need smart ones. We need the faithful.
    Literate? To count you! Do you write poems? On stake! Do you know the tables? You know too much!
    Something our Russia is starting to resemble Arkanar more and more ...

    Write too long and clever comments - to count. wink
  • region58
    region58 5 May 2021 02: 10
    +1
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    begins to resemble Arkanar ...

    If you remember Pol Pot, Kampuchea and the Khmer Rouge, then reality will be cooler than fiction ...
    Teachers, doctors, priests, and the intelligentsia were destroyed (anyone who wore glasses, read books, knew a foreign language, wore decent clothes, in particular of European style), as well as those suspected of having connections with the previous government or foreign governments, were considered intellectuals. It was forbidden to write and read.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 4 May 2021 15: 53
    +1
    Are you serious???
    But what about in Germany, in other dermokratic countries ??? They sue parents who are against any unnatural foolishness imposed by completely crazy people, under the guise of freedoms and other verbiage ??? Do you want to comment on this?
    Foolishness, going in any direction is dangerous for young people, and for the whole society as a whole.
    1. Angry Alt-Right
      Angry Alt-Right 4 May 2021 19: 36
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Are you serious???
      But what about in Germany, in other dermokratic countries ??? They sue parents who are against any unnatural foolishness imposed by completely crazy people, under the guise of freedoms and other verbiage ??? Do you want to comment on this?
      Foolishness, going in any direction is dangerous for young people, and for the whole society as a whole.

      Are you serious ??? Well, this is "And in the Americas the N-word is lynched", it really smacks of twist, not very relevant to the judge of this case.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 4 May 2021 15: 55
    0
    parents will not be allowed to teach their children, only school.
    right, the school has a license for this, and where the parents have experience, experience and specialized education ??? And what if, during upbringing, they teach their child (and he is a future cog and taxpayer in the country, its human resource ... and resources must be protected ... so and so), wrong from the cradle, and the state did not follow this, not order in country then !?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 4 May 2021 16: 00
      +16
      "Soviet censorship" nervously smokes on the sidelines ... what is happening now is a bacchanalia! from the screens homosexuals broadcast and dance, but do not say about the power of the word. the most "patriotic" are nightingale popovoskabeyevokselevoosheyniny ... pour into the ears of TV lovers, do not hesitate ... for that kind of money ... no one was interested in how many Simonyans (RT) have on propaganda per month?
      1. dSK
        dSK 4 May 2021 16: 30
        -11%
        Still needed prohibit the activities of masons in Russia.
        The most harmful organization of the "enlighteners" is the "bark beetles".
        On her account, the collapse of the Empire, the collapse of the USSR. Now they "gnaw" Russia ...
      2. Snail N9
        Snail N9 4 May 2021 16: 51
        +8
        "Soviet censorship" ... A real digital concentration camp is being prepared, soon you will lose all your names and surnames and you will not be citizens - individuals with names and surnames, but "units" with a QR code number. But this is for your own good and "at the request of the workers", against the covid, and also - "in the framework of the fight against terrorism and laundering of illegal incomes" - it is forbidden to oppose this, people like this "want", yes ... yes And who is against, those-navalnata, Scientologists, agents of the State Department, liberals, tax evaders, masons and hidden "enemies of the people" ... wink
      3. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 4 May 2021 18: 58
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        no one was interested in how many Simonyans (RT) have on propaganda per month?

        Well, why, many were interested and dug up.
        https://www.forumfreerussia.org/en/news-en/2020-03-13/head-of-rt-and-her-family-steal-hundreds-of-millions-from-the-state-budget
      4. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 5 May 2021 18: 30
        0
        Soviet censorship in education is returning.

        Quote: Dead Day
        "Soviet censorship" nervously smokes on the sidelines ...

        And I am in favor of the Soviet censorship, which cut off the slag so much that we considered foreign things better than ours. We watched the best Western films, read the best works. What is now infiltrating TV, cinema and literature is at best perplexing, and at worst disgusting. And this applies not only to foreign products, but also, to an even greater extent, to domestic ones. Censorship is vital in order not to prevent, but to stop and reverse the slide towards Western "values" and tolerance.
    2. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov 4 May 2021 16: 25
      +2
      Quote: Intruder
      parents will not be allowed to teach their children, only school.
      right, the school has a license for this, and where the parents have experience, experience and specialized education ??? And what if, during upbringing, they teach their child (and he is a future cog and taxpayer in the country, its human resource ... and resources must be protected ... so and so), wrong from the cradle, and the state did not follow this, not order in country then !?

      Denis is nonsense! friend wrote? This is nifiga not sarcasm, Explain
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 4 May 2021 16: 39
        0
        Andrey, you obviously ... you react so strangely !? Honestly ... today! This is the deepest sarcasm, just to the limit ... just a cry from the heart, a father who has two children ...
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          1. Intruder
            Intruder 4 May 2021 16: 48
            0
            Sorry, my already a graduate student, 25, but the bitch doesn't want to join the army, he's not married, sympathize with me Denis
            Just - humble yourself, friend, I recently learned here from my own nephew, at the age of 16, that his uncle and in general he is smarter than all of our generation of old people already ... because he designs beats of music tracks on various Internet sites and sells them , and other "pretentious-youth-fashionable", and the uncle and the truth is an idiot, he tried to replace his father from the cradle, pulled towards technology and other men's things (shooting, rugby, etc.) ... and so, everyone chooses their own path and our children are no exception, bro !!!
            1. Andrey Korotkov
              Andrey Korotkov 4 May 2021 17: 23
              -1
              My hare, went to my wife - el.mekhamika, power engineering - ashamed - go to the army as usual, wives say, in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug after the army - the oil industry, accompanying, will flood recoursemeter 1, like two, hockey player, sad
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 4 May 2021 17: 39
                -2
                My hare, went to my wife - el.mekhamika, energy
                She was also lucky, but you can always push into the army, if it is necessary ...!?, I still have girls, but the first one with my mindset (she has had chess since childhood and cycling, extreme sports jumping here, over all sorts of different obstacles with a radiant smile after another traumatologist, my valerian quickly ends and I constantly switch to nitroglycerin, etc. belay , and loves other sports hobbies, with a critical character to personal safety), but the second is already in doubt ... but there the mother's genes spoil the breed, like that ... winked
            2. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 4 May 2021 18: 27
              +1
              Damn, guys, as I understand you. That would seem to be hiking, rafting, hunting, fishing, rock climbing, predollenie and on you - sells cars !!!!! All right, I would understand - he does not want to "poke around" in the gland.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 4 May 2021 19: 11
                -1
                Damn, guys, as I understand you. That would seem to be hiking, rafting, hunting, fishing, rock climbing, predollenie and on you - sells cars !!!!! Okay, I would understand - he does not want to "poke around" in the gland
                Well, I wanted to also write about humility, bro! laughing Well, it also happens, but if trade is in a person's blood ... maybe in the future he will become an oligarch, an advanced economist, with a worldwide reputation, if talents and age allow, of course !? wink
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 6 May 2021 14: 37
                  0
                  maybe in the future he will become an oligarch, an advanced economist, with a worldwide reputation, if talents and age allow, of course !?
                  Maybe my talents will allow it, but for now, my debt is shooting up to salary.
          2. FIR FIR
            FIR FIR 4 May 2021 19: 09
            +5
            Quote: Andrey Korotkov
            my already a graduate student, 25, and the bitch does not want to join the army
            For a graduate student, the army is not the most, I suppose. Science must be dealt with. If you are to serve the Motherland, then you will be able to benefit it most of all.
  • ANB
    ANB 4 May 2021 17: 30
    +3
    ... parents will not be allowed to teach their children, only school

    School principals would have been told this.
    And then "the school provides only educational services, and the parents must teach the children." The text from the meeting.
  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 4 May 2021 18: 50
    +2
    Quote: hhhhhhh
    parents will not be allowed to teach their children, only school.

    Only school? Oh well...........
    Now, in order for a child to study decently, you need daily reinforced support from either educated parents or tutors. The program is designed in such a way that it is almost impossible for a child to master it with the help of his own strength.
  • Usher
    Usher 5 May 2021 18: 16
    +1
    Quote: hhhhhhh
    "The document introduces the concept of" educational activities "and prohibits engaging in it without the authorization of the authorities." - parents will not be allowed to teach their children, only school.

    Some parents still need to be taught, yesterday I saw at the May holidays, a "family" half-eared young with a child of 6 years old, went to the park with a box of beer and a couple of bottles of vodka. It was a pity for the kid, he was watching from the balcony.
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      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 4 May 2021 15: 53
        +14
        But the attempt of the authorities to revive precisely the Soviet models of censorship in order to establish a system of ideological control is understandable.

        Probably, the Soviet model was not a standard, but it was not "absolute evil" either. That is why Soviet literature is still popular, and Soviet films in terms of the number of views overshadowed not only their Russian remakes, but also famous Hollywood bestsellers.
        In its activities, the censorship was guided by the Moral Code of the Builder of Communism, however, the subjective opinion of critics-marasmatics forever deprived us of the completeness of perception of some pictures.
        In enlightenment (it would seem) everything should be simple. The main task of the textbook is to present the content of the subject, events, phenomena with the utmost accuracy (truthfulness, reality), without imposing their own (author's) conclusions in the form of absolute truth.
        ==========
        In Russia (from Dagestan), more than a million cubic meters of wastewater is discharged into the Caspian Sea every year. The Caspian seal perishes from dirty drains. And money should be allocated from the Russian budget for the work of censors, whose responsibilities have not yet been determined ...
        fellow
        1. Andrey Korotkov
          Andrey Korotkov 4 May 2021 16: 11
          0
          hi Yuri, the most interesting thing is that I do not argue with you, I agree everywhere, I don’t know her about the Caspian Sea, I haven’t been, by half a century at my age, not everyone will say smart hi little, very good few will argue with you.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 4 May 2021 15: 16
    +11
    Quote: extract from the law
    anti-Russian propaganda, sowing of discord and propaganda of extremism are being carried out en masse in Russian schools and universities.

    rewind 120 years and end up in Russia, "which we have lost" and ...
    For many people, the word student has often been synonymous with revolutionary. Student clashes with administration and professors were not limited to universities. Fermentation also took place among students in the senior grades of gymnasiums and other secondary educational institutions. Student riots in 1899-1907 became the largest youth riots in Europe between 1789 and 1914

    no one sees anything like it?
    as soon as some regular ghoul tries to combine class society and economic development, THIS immediately arises, and regardless of the country. Exactly the same thing happened throughout Europe, and not in a single country.
    As a result, history has shown that everything can be preserved and you will simply be devoured (example of China) or you will be forced to stop idiocy with the formation of class privileges or decide that you are the smartest and sit on a powder keg (example of the Russian Empire).
    If our deputies are so stupid that they cannot Google this example of history in 5 minutes and draw conclusions, then why do we need them?
    Why do we need SUCH a thought?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 4 May 2021 15: 51
      +1
      Why do we need SUCH a thought?
      And who will think for them, there are all the cream of the Russian society, some not only Russian ... meaning their business interests and real estate in other states !? And so, the "normal" attention to the young generation of the future country to their education and enlightenment among the masses ..., uneducated and easily manipulated ..., just the sky-high dream of any politician, that the left, that the right "dew", the worst thing is that they will succeed and this, and then our children and grandchildren will rake all this idiocy in their lives ... angry
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  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 4 May 2021 15: 17
    -5
    among the authors there is not a single representative of the State Duma Committee on Science and Education.
    And all these titans of cultural enlightenment sit, as usual, on American grants? Well, how is it accepted among high-ranking Russian "educators"? Or have some of them switched to European ones?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 4 May 2021 15: 25
    +2
    The power in the country has changed and, behold, women are crazy about the masters! They sit with lipstick paint their mouth, the vegetable garden is overgrown with weeds! (FROM)
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 4 May 2021 15: 28
    +13
    Soviet censorship was censorship, but then the education system was suitable, in our years the incomparable Fursenko summed it up. In the Soviet Union, the task was to raise a person-creator, our task was to be a professional consumer.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 4 May 2021 17: 32
      +10
      It is amazing - under the Soviet nightmarish censorship, great films, books, musical works were created .. A whole galaxy of great actors, directors, etc. has grown .. And with the new type of freedom of speech - wherever you spit, it’s a lot of dull liquid shit. In all areas .. I wonder - why is this so?
      1. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin 4 May 2021 17: 36
        0
        As long as our taxes are sponsoring mediocrity from the film fund, etc., I'm not expecting good. When the clever girls and the people do it, everything goes well, see 28 Panfilovites.
  • Aleksandre
    Aleksandre 4 May 2021 15: 29
    +7
    The dream of the capitalist government: a stupid beadlo gnawing ersatz in three throats and obediently walking to vote for whom they indicate.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 4 May 2021 16: 59
      +2
      The dream of the capitalist government: a stupid beadlo gnawing ersatz in three throats and obediently walking to vote for whom they indicate.
      Not a dream already, but soon a paradise reality for them, in the future with the younger generation in this and not only country, but also, a whole layer of the era and in the dark ages, everyone and in large quantities, there are no grandmothers from parents or a person from a coach, private (children's / teenage) psychologist with an appropriate contract, a tutor and other educators, everything grows like grass - weeds and maximum credit slavery in fate, for everything ..., for a roof over your head, a wedding, and then for school (preparation for the next educational year), purchase of a computer / smartphone / clothes / washing machine and vacuum cleaner, etc.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 4 May 2021 15: 46
    +2
    Deputy Aleksey Chepa (spravorass), said that the law is primarily aimed at combating the propaganda of drugs, unhealthy lifestyles, terrorism and "values ​​alien to the Russian people" such as same-sex marriage.
    Someone is talking about what, but this figure has the same interests, and he says about them:
    ... drugs, unhealthy lifestyles, terrorism and "values ​​alien to the Russian people" such as same-sex marriage
    wink
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 11 May 2021 12: 18
      0
      Someone is talking about what, but it is clear that this figure has the same interests, and speaks about them.
      No, his interests are completely different. Remember about blocking in runet. It all started with the same slogans. And it resulted in the blocking of the dissatisfied and help in knocking out the dough to all sorts of copywriters, including foreign ones. This is all an elementary screen behind which this rekh fills his pockets.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 4 May 2021 15: 47
    +3
    The creatures have become insolent. It is necessary to somehow do so that the one who offers something to license, fine or prohibit, hang, and only then consider his proposal. As long as the restrictions on the rights and freedoms of citizens do not affect the initiators in any way, this orgy will not stop.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 4 May 2021 17: 05
      0
      The creatures have become insolent. It is necessary to somehow do so that the one who offers something to license, fine or prohibit, hang, and only then consider his proposal. As long as the restrictions on the rights and freedoms of citizens do not affect the initiators in any way, this orgy will not stop.
      Of course, I understand that this is not an appeal, but there are other opinions of less intelligent and educated people, but with the authority of people !!! Maybe you should be more careful with expressions and words in public, you should be ... (in the order of worldly wisdom and caution) !?
      1. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus 11 May 2021 12: 22
        +1
        (in the order of worldly wisdom and caution) !?
        And he did not specify which country he was talking about. No one forbade anyone to criticize the Honduran authorities. laughing
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 11 May 2021 17: 26
          +1
          No one forbade anyone to criticize the Honduran authorities
          Exactly wink also about free Martian colonies .., right !? yes
    2. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 11 May 2021 12: 20
      0
      As long as the restrictions on the rights and freedoms of citizens do not affect the initiators in any way, this orgy will not stop.
      And it is already reflected - in the form of pockets full of dough.
  • Professor
    Professor 4 May 2021 15: 48
    +7
    Both legal entities and individuals will be able to engage in educational activities. At the same time, legal entities should not be included in the register of foreign agents.

    Cool. Now it is impossible to invite a Nobel laureate to lectures in the Russian Federation, say in physics. He is a foreign agent. It is also illegal to show his lectures on the Internet. Bravo. Young people with brains will even more tumble to the West for knowledge. Who will benefit from this? fool
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 4 May 2021 16: 17
      -9
      Quote: Professor
      Now it is impossible to invite a Nobel laureate to lectures in the Russian Federation, say in physics. He is a foreign agent.

      If he does physics, then let him come.
      1. Professor
        Professor 4 May 2021 16: 56
        +5
        Quote: Dart2027
        If he does physics, then let him come.

        According to the new law, it is not important physics or not physics.

        Quote: yehat2
        what for? What's the point of this?
        If you look at history, the Nobel laureates are trained by those who have not received this prize.
        Teaching and transferring knowledge is one thing, achievements in science are quite another.
        You need completely different qualities. Take Max Planck, for example, he was a very great authority, who trained more than 15 future Nobel laureates in physics and influenced many, but he did not receive any significant official recognition. But the man was great. That's who you need to invite. It's the same in the USSR. There have been a number of very smart physics teachers who have raised generations of cool physicists, but they are only known for helping others.

        Everything is fine, Max Planck in the RF now too NOT would be allowed.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 4 May 2021 17: 11
          -9
          Quote: Professor
          Max Planck would not have been allowed in Russia now either.

          Grounds?
          1. Professor
            Professor 4 May 2021 17: 35
            +3
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Professor
            Max Planck would not have been allowed in Russia now either.

            Grounds?

            Foreign agent.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 4 May 2021 19: 15
              -5
              Quote: Professor
              Foreign agent.

              AND? Foreign agents are obliged to warn their readers about their status, that is, who pays them. At the same time, no one prohibits them, and they receive a ban on activities in violation of the laws of Russia.
              1. Professor
                Professor 4 May 2021 20: 01
                +2
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: Professor
                Foreign agent.

                AND? Foreign agents are obliged to warn their readers about their status, that is, who pays them. At the same time, no one prohibits them, and they receive a ban on activities in violation of the laws of Russia.

                Max Planck will warn the Russian authorities that he is a foreign agent? wassat
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 5 May 2021 07: 10
                  -3
                  Quote: Professor
                  Max Planck will warn the Russian authorities that he is a foreign agent?

                  If he starts speaking on political topics, then yes.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 5 May 2021 07: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    If he starts speaking on political topics, then yes.

                    Not. The law does not write about this.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 5 May 2021 10: 37
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Not. The law does not write about this.

                      So what does he write about physicists?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 5 May 2021 11: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Professor
                        Not. The law does not write about this.

                        So what does he write about physicists?

                        The law does not matter whether physics or not physics are foreign agents.
                        Educational activities are carried out in the following areas:

                        dissemination of spiritual and moral values ​​of the peoples of the Russian Federation, historical and national-cultural traditions;

                        dissemination of knowledge about civil rights, freedoms and human obligations;

                        development of the ability of creative self-expression and aesthetic education;

                        popularization of the achievements of modern science and technology, the best examples of national and world culture;

                        formation of ecological culture, respectful attitude
                        To nature, rational use of natural resources;

                        dissemination of knowledge about healthy lifestyles;

                        dissemination of knowledge about human psychology, choosing a life path, a profession that meets individual abilities, inclinations and interests of a person;

                        raising awareness about the activities of government bodies, as well as mastering the knowledge necessary to participate in the activities of public organizations and movements;

                        dissemination of knowledge about the forms and methods of generating innovative approaches that direct people's consciousness to the creation of new innovative socially significant products, discoveries, non-standard solutions, etc .;

                        in other areas consistent with the goals of educational activities established by paragraph 35 of Article 2 of the Federal Law "On Education in the Russian Federation"
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 5 May 2021 13: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        The law does not matter whether physics or not physics are foreign agents.

                        Truth? Here is the law on foreign agents.
                        Introduce into the Federal Law of May 19, 1995 N 82-FZ "On Public Associations" (Collected Legislation of the Russian Federation, 1995, N 21, Art. 1930; 1998, N 30, Art. 3608; 2002, N 11, Art. 1018 ; N 12, Art. 1093; 2003, N 50, Art. 4855; 2004, N 27, Art. 2711; 2006, N 3, Art. 282; 2008, N 30, Art. 3616; 2010, N 21, Art. . 2526; 2011, N 27, Art. 3880) the following changes:
                        1) part six of Article 21 shall be supplemented with clause 9 of the following content:
                        "9) a statement on the inclusion of a public association in the register of non-profit organizations performing the functions of a foreign agent, provided for by paragraph 10 of Article 13.1 of the Federal Law of January 12, 1996 N 7-FZ" On Non-Commercial Organizations "(hereinafter - the Federal Law" On Non-Commercial Organizations "), - for public associations that are legal entities receiving funds and other property from foreign sources, which are specified in paragraph 6 of Article 2 of the Federal Law "On Non-Commercial Organizations", and participating in political activities carried out on the territory of the Russian Federation. ";
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 5 May 2021 13: 54
                        -4
                        True, physics is not excluded from the law.
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 5 May 2021 16: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Professor
                        are not excluded from the law of physics

                        But why?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        and participating in political activities carried out on the territory of the Russian Federation

                        Simply put, do not get involved in politics comrade laureate and do physics for your health, but you will get into the law.
                      5. Rusticolus
                        Rusticolus 11 May 2021 12: 34
                        -1
                        Simply put, do not get involved in politics comrade laureate and do physics for your health, but you will get into the law.
                        This is what happens. Does the publication of Marx's lectures now fall under this law? belay Here politics is clearly visible.
                      6. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 11 May 2021 19: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Rusticolus
                        This is what happens. Does the publication of Marx's lectures now fall under this law?

                        Is he alive?
  • Intruder
    Intruder 4 May 2021 17: 06
    +4
    If he does physics, then let him come.
    and from the gangway, into the number box - for 25 years !? For there is no license, there is no contract either (I didn’t have time to conclude if ...), and maybe the foreign agent ??? laughing
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 4 May 2021 17: 13
      -9
      Quote: Intruder
      For there is no license, no contract either (I did not have time to conclude if

      Is it news for you that any such event is properly designed?
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 4 May 2021 17: 29
        +4
        And for you the news is that any such event is accordingly formalized
        There is no news that you fellow , I just know from personal / professional and family examples, what it is, through one soft spot and a lot of lost nerves ... everything is taking shape .., that's why I wrote in this spirit! laughing
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 4 May 2021 19: 11
          -3
          Quote: Intruder
          I just know from personal / professional and family examples what it is, through one soft spot and a lot of lost nerves

          Perhaps, only this does not change the fact that any such event is prepared in advance and duly agreed upon. Judging by the adopted document, nothing changes here at all, but if this invited laureate begins to get involved in the internal affairs of Russia, then it will be possible to kick him out quickly and according to the law.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 4 May 2021 19: 16
            +2
            Judging by the adopted document, nothing changes here at all, but if this invited laureate begins to get involved in the internal affairs of Russia, then it will be possible to kick him out quickly and according to the law.
            Hmm, if at the first "cough" all the laureates are kicked from the country ..., then all of them will quickly end, those who want to, and even those who thought to crawl under the sly !? wink
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 4 May 2021 19: 20
              -5
              Quote: Intruder
              Hmm, if on the first "cough" all the laureates are kicked from the country ... then they will all quickly end

              If a laureate does his own thing, this is one thing, and if he starts giving various kinds of political lectures, then it is quite another.
              1. Rusticolus
                Rusticolus 11 May 2021 12: 36
                -1
                If a laureate does his own thing, this is one thing, and if he starts giving various kinds of political lectures, then it is quite another.
                Poor K. Marx, it is good that he did not live to see this.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 11 May 2021 19: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Rusticolus
                  it's good that he didn't live to see this

                  That is, in essence, there are no objections.
                  1. Rusticolus
                    Rusticolus 11 May 2021 20: 34
                    -1
                    Not. There is still. How Marx will get permission for his lectures being dead For the inattentive, I repeat, the writing of political lectures, if they are published, falls under the educational activity.
                  2. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 12 May 2021 19: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Rusticolus
                    For the inattentive, I will repeat, writing political lectures, if they are published

                    Political lectures are read by quite real people.
                  3. Rusticolus
                    Rusticolus 13 May 2021 22: 08
                    0
                    They compose - yes. Reading is no longer a fact. They publish - all the more, not always.
                    We gnaw the granite of jurisprudence, in particular, what is the difference between pronounce and voice. Legally, these are two different things.
                  4. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 13 May 2021 23: 13
                    0
                    Quote: Rusticolus
                    Reading is no longer a fact.

                    I have never heard of a deceased lecturing after rising from the grave.
  • gsev
    gsev 6 May 2021 16: 32
    -2
    Quote: Dart2027
    Is it news for you that any such event is properly designed?

    Many, faced with the rules for organizing events, will decide to stop educational activities in Russia. Recently faced an unexpected challenge while upgrading equipment for the production of cardiac drugs at a state-owned enterprise in Russia. Firms refused to supply equipment directly. Motivation: the legal conditions for concluding contracts with state structures are so draconian that no one is ready to supply the state structure directly. I was told openly that they agreed to sell the gasket only through the firm. Organize such a company or, rather, an official has such a company, find out about it. The supplier company will gladly give such a laying company a 20% discount, subject to delivery on the terms of the selling company and work on an ongoing basis. So in the future Soviet science there will be zealous observers of socialist ideology or some new one. But in reality, the bureaucrat will secretly plagiarize foreign scientific works and pass them off as his own. Academician Mitin did this in his time. The philosophers of his collective convicted him of plagiarism and entered into a gentlemen's agreement with him. The whistleblowers will not disclose information about plagiarism, and Mitin will moderate his Lysenko methods in philosophy. Understand that stupid bureaucratic requirements are much more effective at hindering Russia's development than all the sanctions adopted since 2014 to contain Russia. So this law was adopted to the indescribable joy of the CIA, or maybe it was initiated by this organization, as at one time Dulles was able to make Stalin and the MGB his agents of influence and by their hands to destroy politicians dangerous for the United States in Eastern Europe from the patriotic wing of the local Communist Parties during the operation "Splitting factor".
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 6 May 2021 18: 34
      +1
      Quote: gsev
      So this law was passed to the indescribable joy of the CIA.

      Truth? But I constantly hear from the other side howl about how poor fighters are being pressed against us.
      Quote: gsev
      how at one time Dulles was able to make Stalin and the MGB his agents of influence and by their hands to destroy politicians dangerous for the United States in Eastern Europe from the patriotic wing

      Is this Suvorov-Rezun or someone else invented similar?
      Quote: gsev
      Firms refused to supply equipment directly. Motivation: the legal conditions for concluding contracts with government agencies are so draconian that no one is ready to supply the government agency directly. I was told openly that they agreed to sell the gasket only through the firm.

      And that there are no rules for her?
      1. gsev
        gsev 6 May 2021 19: 15
        -2
        Quote: Dart2027
        fighters.
        Quote: gsev
        how at one time Dulles was able to make Stalin and the MGB his agents of influence and by their hands to destroy politicians dangerous for the United States in Eastern Europe from the patriotic wing

        Is this Suvorov-Rezun or someone else invented similar?

        If you are talking about the harm of the fact of Operation Splitting Factor, then the Soviet government recognized the harmful consequences of its implementation and the fact that innocent people suffered from the clutches of the MGB. Apparently, therefore, the MGB was renamed the KGB, and under Khrushchev, the party put this organization under tighter control.
        Here is a quote from the book "Splitting Factor". “On October 25, 1954, Herman Field was announced that he was free. On November 19, after receiving the necessary medical care in Warsaw, he finally got on the plane he tried to fly with 5 years ago. He took away 40 thousand dollars in his wallet. - compensation received from the Polish government - the first recorded case where the communist government paid its victim in cash for years of illegal imprisonment. " I was told that the collapse of the USSR in Ukraine and Moldova was carried out by the KGB and the Special Departments of the Soviet Army, which professionally suppressed the organized attempts of citizens dissatisfied with this collapse to organize
        .
        Quote: Dart2027
        I was told openly that they agreed to sell the gasket only through the firm.

        And that there are no rules for her?

        Simply invented rules and laws adopted by the State Duma increase the cost of production for the state by about a quarter or even make it impossible to obtain more modern equipment or delay the production of drugs. In this case, a foreign company has been carrying out deliveries ordered by Russian enterprises for only 70% for about six months, and their dealer has the ability to deliver to those customers with whom it is easier to work. A manager, in order to earn decent money, or not to be fired, needs to sell products for 1 rubles a day and he does not have time to agree on a hooked contract with a state-owned enterprise for several days for 500 rubles.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 6 May 2021 20: 52
          +2
          Quote: gsev
          Apparently, therefore, the MGB was renamed the KGB, and under Khrushchev, the party put this organization under tighter control.

          The best statement about Khrushchev is attributed to Churchill (about the loser to the dead). As for the collapse of the USSR, it was carried out under the leadership of the party elite and this is Pochinel's secret. But no Dallas was in charge of them - all by themselves.
          Quote: gsev
          Just invented rules and laws adopted by the State Duma

          There is a paperwork procedure, and it does not change depending on which company performs it, so what is the difference to supply directly or through an intermediary?
          Quote: gsev
          A manager, in order to earn decent money, or not to be fired, needs to sell products for 1 rubles a day and he does not have time to agree on a hooked contract with a state-owned enterprise for several days

          In general, there are lawyers for this, and if the procedure is typical, then it generally goes on like on a conveyor belt.
          1. gsev
            gsev 7 May 2021 16: 40
            -2
            Quote: Dart2027
            In general, there are lawyers for this, and if the procedure is typical, then it generally goes on like on a conveyor belt.

            A lawyer is more expensive than a manager. In order for the manager to fuse part of the work to a lawyer, he will have to sell 4 million per day of production. In addition, the risk for the company when working under the conditions of state-owned enterprises should also be taken into account when calculating the cost of selling products. If a state-owned enterprise intends to buy for 2 million, then it makes sense to take the risk, work on the state-owned enterprise's terms and receive money after the payment is deferred. If less than 1-1,5 million, then it makes sense to ignore the request of the state-owned enterprise.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 7 May 2021 16: 57
              +1
              Quote: gsev
              A lawyer is more expensive than a manager. In order for a manager to fuse part of the work to a lawyer, he will need
              just pass it on.
              The legal department handles all legal issues at the enterprise. On the simple reason that he is needed for this. Another "officer's daughter"?
              1. gsev
                gsev 7 May 2021 17: 46
                -2
                Quote: Dart2027
                The legal department handles all legal issues at the enterprise.

                Usually a lawyer prepares a model contract. The manager gets the right to give a discount, deferral or go out with questions of discounts and installments to the manager. Also, a manager or even a designer prepares a specification-appendix to the contract, which indicates the technical characteristics of non-standard products. Sometimes the company automates the workflow. The designer in 1C fills in the specification of the constituent elements included in the product being sold, and the accountant presses the button "load the received document into 1C". As you understand, such a KNOW-HOW is realized only in Russia, where there are too many engineers and their labor is disproportionately cheap. However, if a state-owned enterprise issues an agreement with a list of penalties and the threat of being included in the list of unscrupulous suppliers, then all services fall into a stupor assessing economic risks and transferring them to a margin on products for state-owned enterprises.
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 7 May 2021 18: 49
                +2
                Quote: gsev
                However, if a state-owned enterprise issues an agreement with a list of penalties and the threat of being included in the list of unscrupulous suppliers, then all services fall into a stupor assessing economic risks and transferring them to a margin on products for state-owned enterprises.
                That is, the problem is that there are sanctions for breaking the contract? And what is "stupid" in this? It is quite logical.
                Quote: gsev
                The designer in 1C fills in the specification of the constituent elements included in the sold product

                And who should do it? Developers are engaged in the creation of all kinds of databases, then anyone can use the database.
              3. Rusticolus
                Rusticolus 13 May 2021 22: 27
                +1
                and the accountant clicks the button "download
                I am 100% sure that you are the one who jails this button. laughing
              4. gsev
                gsev 13 May 2021 22: 35
                -1
                Quote: Rusticolus
                I am 100% sure that you are the one who jails this button.
                This was entrusted to specially trusted people. I have moved to a place where I am not distracted by the registration.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 4 May 2021 16: 24
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    invite a Nobel laureate to lectures in the Russian Federation, say in physics

    what for? What's the point of this?
    If you look at history, the Nobel laureates are trained by those who have not received this prize.
    Teaching and transferring knowledge is one thing, achievements in science are quite another.
    You need completely different qualities. Take Max Planck, for example, he was a very great authority, who trained more than 15 future Nobel laureates in physics and influenced many, but he did not receive any significant official recognition. But the man was great. That's who you need to invite. It's the same in the USSR. There have been a number of very smart physics teachers who have raised generations of cool physicists, but they are only known for helping others.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 4 May 2021 15: 48
    +2
    How they know how to bureaucratic everything, no need to tell
    ... We saw it ... but we saw ANOTHER !!! The rampant "enlightenment" which brings a lot of harm to immature minds, accordingly undermines the future, the foundations of our state!
    A measure of RESPONSIBILITY is needed in everything, a reasonable compromise !!!
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 4 May 2021 17: 37
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      The rampant "enlightenment" which brings a lot of harm to immature minds, accordingly undermines the future, the foundations of our state!

      I always read the comments with constant pleasure, but then I just burst into tears.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 May 2021 22: 59
        -1
        Does sho, a simple reminder of responsibility, make you cry?
        However .... what kind of you you are.
        Although, I do not understand those who sobbed .... to those who sobbed, I have no questions.
    2. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 11 May 2021 12: 42
      0
      A measure of RESPONSIBILITY is needed in everything, a reasonable compromise !!!
      That's when those who are responsible for choosing what is possible and what is not will be responsible, then it will be possible to talk about it. In the meantime, the irresponsible decide who to be responsible and who does not have to - nothing good will come of it.
  • tatra
    tatra 4 May 2021 15: 50
    -2
    How not to recall Soviet times, when everyone was "for"

    First, not everyone was in favor, otherwise political repression would not have been required. Secondly, what was it that the enemies of the communists said and wrote so intelligent, objective, honest, constructive after their seizure of the USSR? Thirdly, the enemies of the communists cannot do without the fact that what they did themselves, not weave what was in the USSR, including the author of the article and Putin with his "galoshes".
  • Revival
    Revival 4 May 2021 15: 57
    +4
    This is how development is sacrificed for the sake of preserving precisely and only "ourselves".
    "Prudent" educational activity is regression and decay in the end.
    "No matter what happens."
    Who was burned at the stake for the statement that the Earth is round and spinning?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 4 May 2021 16: 12
      +4
      Peskov said that modern Russia should strive for the ideal of the Russian Empire ... Well, let's open A.P. Chekhov, "The Man in a Case", and other stories and stories, by the way, written when the ideal still existed. laughing You can also read others. laughing
      1. gsev
        gsev 13 May 2021 22: 46
        -1
        Quote: parusnik
        Well, let's open A.P. Chekhov, "Man in a Case", and other stories

        After reading the "Notes of a Hunter", the future heir decided to change Russia for the better, and indeed it was during his reign that serfdom was abolished. In the USSR, L. Timofeev wrote a topical, poignant work "The Trap". Readers from the authorities decided not to change anything in the country, but simply send the author to the camp for distorting the historical role of the party.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 4 May 2021 16: 00
    +3
    This is just the beginning. Soon the flowers will crawl, and then there will be such berries ..
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 4 May 2021 16: 05
    +1
    Another intractable law in the treasury of intractable laws. And one more dividing line is being meted out by our state and cutting off from its side the next portion of capable people or simply interested in these services, potentially "neutral" before this law.
    Basically, the idea is not devoid of logic - the desire to conserve the pitiful remnants of our intellectual culture, which for 30 years has been eroded by Atlanticism and globalism. But firstly, this is another "prohibition", we all went through this twice in history - it does NOT work, it exudes the strength and resources of the state and separates the state and smart-active people to a critical point, after which various bad things begin. And secondly, it's too late for Granny Borjomi to drink. For thirty years this process has already been going on, already the 2nd generation grown up on these fruits is growing up, is it possible to MAKE these people live the way our state wants with brute rhino force and criminality? Of course no. They will chuckle and will go even deeper into the intellectual underground, they will feel even more contempt for the "scoop" that creeps in from a hidden corner. Even most of the people associated with all this aesthetically will feel uncomfortable here, limited, pressed in - and they will leave for the West with their means, children, intellectual and labor potential.

    So all this, in my opinion, cannot be considered in any other way, except as a sophisticated sabotage.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 4 May 2021 16: 06
    -2
    Personally, I strongly disliked
    Haven't some authors in the open spaces of VO repeatedly stigmatized domestic education, including about the upbringing of patriotism? And now, when something has moved in this direction, it turns out that some of these authors again did not please ...
    To be honest, in our country, in terms of education, everything is sad in the country.
    But no, the position did not seem to have changed. But there is a desire to leave everything as it is.
    Scientists, including those from the Russian Academy of Sciences, did not like them either. The RAS Presidium sent a request to the Duma to withdraw the bill. A lot of protests emerged from among Russian teachers of the most varied levels.
    Does this mean that scientists and teachers are satisfied with the current state of affairs?
    But here
    the first step has been taken for this
    to educate the younger generation on our native values, to give knowledge, including history, on the basis of the actual Russian vision of events, and then someone begins to turn everything inside out ...
    With which we can all be congratulated. Soviet censorship in education is returning.
    And I've always been for censorship. Especially in relation to the younger generations. It is the immature minds that need to initially inculcate "the good, the good, the eternal." But it looks like someone doesn't like this approach ... And from the very first steps they don't like it.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 4 May 2021 16: 18
      -8
      Quote: Lesovik
      Did some authors in the open spaces of VO have repeatedly stigmatized domestic education, including about the upbringing of patriotism? And now, when something has moved in this direction, it turns out that some of these authors again did not please.

      It's just that the main thing for these authors is to scold the authorities, but they are not interested in the real benefits.
    2. gsev
      gsev 6 May 2021 16: 38
      0
      Quote: Lesovik
      Haven't some authors in the open spaces of VO repeatedly stigmatized domestic education, including about the upbringing of patriotism?

      This should be corrected by scientific and pedagogical methods, not by the KGB. An attempt to put an officer far from science at the head of scientists is as foolish as an attempt to throw scientists unfamiliar with tactics and weapons into battle.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 4 May 2021 16: 07
    +7
    M.V. Lomonosov, would not have survived in modern conditions laughing
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 May 2021 16: 43
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      M.V. Lomonosov, would not have survived in modern conditions laughing

      And I wouldn’t have been born .. in 30 years, I don’t remember a single outstanding scientist ..
      1. gsev
        gsev 6 May 2021 19: 19
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        And I wouldn’t have been born .. in 30 years, I don’t remember a single outstanding scientist ..

        And the developers of the Covid vaccine?
  • Tavrik
    Tavrik 4 May 2021 16: 12
    +2
    I remembered Kostya Kinchev's "Totalitarian Rap":
    "And publicity has its own voice,
    But publicity is undercover surveillance,
    And if you are targeted
    They shoot exactly at point-blank range.

    Totalitarian rap is just a model
    Society of the deaf and dumb,
    And if, in addition, they see poorly,
    It's only better for them. "

    In general, it's a cool idea: a person can tell on the Internet for years how to grow flowers or carry out maintenance of a car, without attracting anyone's attention, but as soon as he says or does "something wrong" - there is already an article for him!
  • mark2
    mark2 4 May 2021 16: 31
    -4
    I read this position on the link of the author. there are only a couple of sheets of printed text.
    Didn't understand why the alarm article?
    Specifically, on what point of the Regulations?
    Clause 1 of the Regulations indicates that
    This Regulation establishes the procedure, conditions and forms for the implementation of educational activities in organizations carrying out educational, scientific and cultural activities, as well as the procedure for monitoring it
    Highlighted the main thing.
    Question: Where is it indicated here that the Regulation is directed at a private trader who will tell someone about how great he is to take photographs?
    P.2 Indicates who has the right to engage in educational activities. And then there is a list of what falls under this wording.
    A.3. Lists the forms of presentation of educational activities: There are only 6 points and this does not apply to schools and universities. Rather, this applies to all those organizations that are ready to make you rich in a few seminars, or even engineers in 144 lecture hours. (there were some).
    item 4. Sends all those who are ill and interested in the Federal Law "On Education in the Russian Federation". If there are any restrictions and prohibitions, then only there. Read on.
    The Federal Law has existed for a long time, for some reason there have been no complaints about it for a long time. Accepted for execution and that's it.
    p.5 Just about those individuals that the author spoke about. Someone is against the fact that an individual would have at least some experience in pedagogy and be an adult? Or maybe someone is for a graduate of Matrosskaya Tishina or Krestov, convicted of robbery, murder, and so on, to teach their universities?
    As far as the treaty is concerned, it has been in effect for a long time. The contract for pedagogical activity is precisely established by the Federal Law "On Education"
    p. 6 Applies to legal entities. Here all the subparagraphs indicate that these same legal entities work in the open, and not behave like sects. With a legal entity and demand is greater.
    Similar requirements apply in construction. Where is the Alarm article on this? And she is not, because we all know that all builders are still rascals and they must be pressed to the nail. Is that so? Whether it is a beggar photographer who dreams of passing on his knowledge to the whole wide world all his life.
    Clause 7 says that information about the concluded Agreement on audience education is posted openly. And rightly so. The people should know: what, who, on whose behalf will broadcast and who will be responsible for violations and unreliability of information.
    p.8 Says who will control what is taught. And if anything, and answer
    Now with regards to the mentioned Nobel laureates:
    All the laureates did not come out of thin air. They are the teaching staff of some universities, which have contracts and licenses for teaching, and, accordingly, are responsible for what this laureate brings to the masses. All activities must be licensed. So in the entire civilized world, which is so loved by the Russians (everyone dreams of being like there). For any serious sneeze, get a license. It does not confirm anything, but imposes responsibility on the owner of the license.
    Now with regards to parents and their children. When each of you will teach your children something, this is a kind of pedagogy, but the Regulation does not apply to it. But if you teach other people's children, and even with a full audience, then you will receive a license, be kind, and with it the responsibility for the quality of the material submitted.
    And by the way, I missed this moment, was there a panic among the site owners when they were put on a license as a media? Also shouted about trampling on freedom of speech?

    Many people see that such restrictions will not improve the situation with the brains of Russians. Alas, an intelligent electorate is not beneficial to the current government. You need an audience completely incapable of meaningful protest. Smart protest, not at silly processions and fights with the police and other security forces, but smart discussion on various platforms.


    Blah-blah-demagoguery
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 4 May 2021 17: 15
      -3
      Quote: mark2
      I read this position on the link of the author. there are only a couple of sheets of printed text.
      Didn't understand why the alarm article?

      I guessed the author again after the first paragraphs.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 4 May 2021 17: 48
      -3
      Just about those individuals about whom the author spoke. Someone is against the fact that an individual would have at least some experience in pedagogy and be an adult? Or maybe someone is for a graduate of Matrosskaya Tishina or Krestov, convicted of robbery, murder, and so on, to teach their universities?
      Not against, but if he has no experience in pedagogy, why immediately cut his activities ??? And he simply, a folk genius in artistic modeling on the head, at an altitude of over 2000 m. studying pedagogical aspects in the city university !? And people are drawn to him by the hundreds a year and young people too, where is it: calls ... to drugs and shameful marriage, and together with terrorism ... ???
      Now with regards to parents and their children. When each of you will teach your children something, this is a kind of pedagogy, but the Regulation does not apply to it. But if you teach other people's children, and even with a full audience, then you will receive a license, be kind, and with it the responsibility for the quality of the material submitted.
      an ordinary Russian language tutor in the outback of Russia, there is a pedagogical experience of 20 years of experience, 45 years of age, but there is no agreement and license, takes cash at 500 rupees per hour, and .... ???? A trainer in race walking, breaststroke in a mountain river in extreme conditions ..., hiking / mountain tourism / speleology (any to choose from), he also has experience, but he disappears all his life in the mountains and taiga, what licenses and pedagogical training are there, right since June 1, I decided to open survival courses on personal experience and a caring attitude to the nature of Russia, so that the forests and sheep are safe, and the wolves are fed wink ... ???
      1. mark2
        mark2 4 May 2021 18: 06
        -2
        Not against, but if he has no experience in pedagogy, why immediately cut his activities ???

        The Regulation says that individuals with less than 2 years of experience in teaching can be admitted to self-education. How can this be achieved? It is possible, without having a pedagogical education, to be part of certain legal entities that are engaged in educational activities, licensed. I emphasize EDUCATIONAL, not educational. Educational - from the word to educate, that is, to convey to the public some useful or not very practical information.
        he is simply a folk genius in artistic modeling on the head, at an altitude of over 2000 m.,

        If he transfers his experience to several people in practice, then what does enlightenment and education have to do with it. It is just the transfer of experience in the production process.
        he didn’t have time to wipe the chair on courses on this very, nor the desire for a large or "technical" opportunity for 5 years studying, pedagogical aspects in a city university !?

        Well, since he had time to transfer his knowledge to the whole world of interested persons, then there will be time and joining, say, the union of sculptors. who will be licensed and educate the masses.
        where is it: calls ... for drugs and for shameful marriage, and together with terrorism ... ???

        I didn’t speak about appeals. this time. And where is the guarantee that he will teach what hundreds are drawn to ?. I remember that some madrasahs, which should teach the word of God, conduct educational activities in the field of religion, in fact turned out to be recruiting points for suicide bombers and terrorists.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 4 May 2021 19: 03
          0
          I remember that some madrasahs, which should teach the word of God, conduct educational activities in the field of religion, in fact turned out to be recruiting points for suicide bombers and terrorists.
          AND...? And the production of weapons and their possible carriers, as well as explosives, leads to complicity and provision of extremism / overthrow of the state system / terrorism of all stripes? by intent, plus drugs can be bought / sold illegally, for cash and cue ball ...
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 4 May 2021 19: 06
          -2
          And where is the guarantee that he will teach what hundreds are drawn to?
          Also, no, and cannot be ... you and God cannot guarantee: a well-fed life and success in it, and even a guarantee of a "ticket" to the Kingdom of Heaven! Surprisingly, everything is in your hands, and which path you choose and how you go along it - this is purely your business and human laws !!!
      2. mark2
        mark2 4 May 2021 18: 16
        -6
        an ordinary Russian language tutor in the outback of Russia, there is a pedagogical experience of 20 years of experience, 45 years of age, but there is no contract and license, he takes cash at 500 rupees per hour, and ...

        What and? .. Are we going to go through all the professions? If he wants to conduct rehearsal classes, he will receive a license. And he will pay taxes. Why should I pay taxes for 500 rubles per hour, but the tutor does not?
        A coach in race walking, breaststroke in a mountain river in extreme conditions ..., hiking / mountain tourism / speleology (any to choose from), there is also experience, but he disappears in the mountains and taiga all his life,

        All trainers have a pedagogical education. do not drive nonsense. And since he disappears somewhere all the time, let him disappear there. no time for training, so no.
        1. gsev
          gsev 6 May 2021 19: 26
          -2
          Quote: mark2
          What and? .. Are we going to go through all the professions? If he wants to conduct rehearsal classes, he will receive a license. And he will pay taxes.

          Another question. According to Chinese engineers, there is a promising Hinye programmable controller in the PRC. He is not popular in Russia. On Ukrainian sites there is information in Russian about its use. Will training to work with this controller in Russia be a criminal activity? Will the SBU be tempted to prevent Russians from receiving Russian-language information about a new promising technique by forcing a Ukrainian translator from Chinese and an installer to post political materials causing the blocking of this resource by Roskomnadzor?
          1. mark2
            mark2 6 May 2021 19: 58
            +3
            Was it a stream of consciousness? You at least read the Regulation in question, and then attach your Chinese-made PLCs in the Russian-language version.
            1. gsev
              gsev 6 May 2021 20: 24
              -2
              Quote: mark2
              You at least read the Regulation in question, and then attach your PLC

              I think the SBU and the CIA will read this law better than you and me and will be able to use it very competently. So far, it's easier for me to organize reprogramming of the controller in the DPR through Kiev.
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 4 May 2021 17: 01
    0
    The novel, as expected, exaggerated the colors, but on the whole, yes, it will bill something more squalor. Sorry, won't bill anymore :(
  • Bradley
    Bradley 4 May 2021 17: 10
    +3
    It is more and more fun to live in our country. What's the next bill to be released?
    Criticism of the authorities is prohibited (article "Disrespect for the authorities"), is now studying only on a party membership card?
    Have you decided to tighten the nuts completely, so that they won't move?
    And then we will complain that these "brains" are flowing abroad?
    Now you can't even write what I really think, because it will be "disrespect for the authorities," and then imprisonment, just for what you think.
    Then what, will serfdom be returned?
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 4 May 2021 18: 05
      -1
      And my children dream of leaving the country. I used to dissuade them, but now everything, I decided on the contrary to advise them to leave, as it gets worse and worse here.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 4 May 2021 17: 13
    +1
    The deed was offended by the Word, and 17000 scientists left the country. Yes, and who needs to explain for every word spoken. I can roughly guess who will be entrusted with the enlightenment and upbringing of a person. But Orthodoxy has changed. would begin to pray fervently. Nowadays murder is replicated both in films and in books. And religious leaders are quite satisfied with this. There to see, here not to see. We are told that there will be a struggle with luxury. A person is supposed to be 18 square meters during his lifetime. And what more is a luxury? We are told that we must follow the traditions of the Russian people. Neither in tsarist times nor in Soviet times there was such pressure on everyday life as it is now. You cannot explain to the censor what you wanted to say. Jesus wanted to explain to the stupid Pilate that he wanted to destroy the Temple In a figurative sense. This is approximately how the censor understands clear words for sedition.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 4 May 2021 18: 58
      0
      Jesus wanted to explain to the stupid Pilate that he wanted to destroy the Temple in a figurative sense. This is roughly how the censor understands clear words for sedition.
      Hmm, but now it will be in the region: a call to commit a terrorist attack, with a mass gathering of believing citizens !?
  • Mantykora
    Mantykora 4 May 2021 17: 39
    +1
    How not to recall the Soviet times, when everyone was “for”. For one candidate out of one proposed

    If only they would have taken an interest in the Soviet electoral system - to put it simply: the selection of candidates was carried out in collectives even before the elections, and voting was the final part. Another system of democracy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtg-ohbNYiI - look, otherwise it's the same every time. And the Soviet censorship also existed - but, as you can see today, this censorship selected the good, the best, filtering out dirt and shit. Soviet films and cartoons are still watched and quoted.

    But the USSR is a people's, socialist state, and the Russian Federation is a capitalist state. Therefore, in essence I agree - videos of Klim Zhukov, Dmitry Puchkov, Savromat, etc. also banned? Then, in general, a complete kapets ... a sterile field leading either to a riot, or to a revolution, or to the final liquidation of the Russian people.
    1. gsev
      gsev 6 May 2021 20: 31
      0
      Quote: Mantykora
      If only they would have taken an interest in the Soviet electoral system - to put it simply: the selection of candidates was carried out in collectives even before the elections

      After the Bolsheviks came to power, they tried to suppress any discussion of politics in representative bodies. The first victim of the Bolsheviks was the All-Russian Peasant Council. Only behind him is the constituent assembly. Before Gorbachev, there was no discussion or alternative approach in the nomination of candidates in the USSR. All personnel decisions were made at a fairly high party level. In labor collectives they could only say “Approved”, or if the candidate was too odious “No”. And the deputies themselves in the Supreme Soviet did not take any part in the development of laws. As a last resort, they could correct any gross injustice.
  • ironic
    ironic 4 May 2021 17: 44
    +1
    Shaw then it reminds me of three years of correctional labor for teaching the Hebrew language ... Not such a long story ...
    1. gsev
      gsev 6 May 2021 19: 33
      -1
      Quote: ironic
      Shaw then it reminds me of three years of correctional labor for teaching the Hebrew language ... Not such a long story ...

      At one time, Moscow girls organized a scientific circle (in history it is known as the Lyapunova circle), for which they were subjected to repressions. Despite the protection of the Academy of Sciences (the father of one of the girls was Lyapunov), the KGB and the political agencies of the organizations where these girls studied greatly impeded their scientific activities. Fortunately, Stalin was already dead for several years by that time, and almost all the girls were able to take their rightful place in Soviet science.
      1. ironic
        ironic 6 May 2021 19: 50
        -1
        This is a fortunately optimistically ended scenario.
        1. gsev
          gsev 6 May 2021 20: 35
          -1
          Quote: ironic
          This is a fortunately optimistically ended scenario.

          We will never know about those who were broken in such a story. Shnoll has a description of how, due to the persecution of a scientist, the USSR lost its priority in developing a new direction of direction. The scientist was the first in the world to design a scientific device, in his old age he worked as an adjuster of foreign devices in a peripheral organization.
          1. ironic
            ironic 6 May 2021 20: 46
            -1
            Hmm, sad, but this is definitely not the only such story. This is a scientist, and how many excellent engineers turned out to be almost janitors against their will ...
    2. Sarboz
      Sarboz 8 May 2021 22: 31
      0
      Quote: ironic
      Sho then it reminds me of three years of correctional labor for teaching the Hebrew language ...

      Was there really an article in the Criminal Code "for teaching the Hebrew language"? These are the monsters.
      Or, after all, these people, in addition to teaching the language, were also engaged in some kind of illegal activity that undermined the Soviet system?
      1. ironic
        ironic 9 May 2021 13: 10
        0
        Yes, it was, up to 3 years. This was considered an undermining of this very system. Since teaching the language of the Zionists was an illegal activity, and the moral side of this lawlessness at the state level did not interest anyone, and judging by the question, you are not interested. You are interested in finding a tap where there is no water. It is very peculiar to you.
        1. Sarboz
          Sarboz 9 May 2021 15: 40
          0
          Quote: ironic
          Yes, it was, up to 3 years. This was considered an undermining of this very system.

          Please give the article number. Let's talk then. And then you, as always, have a lot of noise, but as soon as it comes to facts, so start into lengthy reasoning.
          Happy Day of our Great Victory to you! drinks
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          2. gsev
            gsev 14 May 2021 04: 55
            0
            Quote: Sarboz
            Please give the article number. Let's talk then.

            Find the history of arrests of Hebrew teachers in the USSR. It's like a proverb; "There would be a man and there is an article!"
            1. Sarboz
              Sarboz 14 May 2021 23: 04
              0
              Quote: gsev
              Find the history of arrests of Hebrew teachers in the USSR.

              Well, really, I don't need to agitate for Soviet power. I have no doubt that among the imprisoned anti-Soviet there were a certain number of Jews who taught their fellow tribesmen Hebrew. The fact, for example, that they found anti-Soviet literature in the same Hebrew, was not described by Western human rights activists and was not taken into account. Therefore, I believe that most of them were deservedly and fully legally convicted under Article 190-1 of the RSFSR Criminal Code for "Disseminating deliberately false fabrications discrediting the Soviet state and social system", and on other grounds.
              According to the same Western human rights activists, the red sun of our dissidence, Academician Sakharov also suffered innocently in exile in Gorky. And I, like every Afghan veteran, will never forgive him for his lies, which he, at the suggestion of his friends from the US Embassy, ​​poured on us, starting in December 1979. His speech at the 1st Congress of People's Deputies was just a spit into our souls, a mockery of the memory of our comrades in arms. I will not shower him with curses. I hope that now he sees THERE how much his American "friends" have deceived him.
              1. gsev
                gsev 15 May 2021 14: 39
                0
                Quote: Sarboz
                I have no doubt that among the imprisoned anti-Soviet there were a certain number of Jews who taught their fellow tribesmen Hebrew.

                With the development of technology, relations in the state must change. However, the authorities chose a simplified form of dealing with the consequences of their citizens' aspirations for change, in particular, from the outset, they counted on hindering the emigration of the intelligentsia abroad instead of raising its living standards. The persecution of Jewish refuseniks from Soviet citizenship is a matter of deep antiquity. But now the state is behaving in a similar way when faced with a similar other problem. For example, the salary of a doctor in the army is about 80 in civilian life, about 120. Nurses in the army, 000, in civilian life, 25. This is for Moscow. And instead of equalizing, the authorities purposefully seek only to drown out protests against such absurdity.
  • user
    user 4 May 2021 17: 57
    -1
    I can tell everyone about how to take a photo. The traveler should have the right to tell about the countries and places that he has seen. The culinary specialist should have the right to tell about delicious and healthy dishes. The psychologist should have the right to talk about how, for example, to save a family from a difficult situation.

    I would like to know from the author how long he will be free of charge, that is, free of charge, to engage in the enlightenment that he listed above.
    As for posting on Ytube and various other sites, again, it's not free, but for the sake of placing advertising content.

    Well, and the last question, how many enlighteners have you all met in your life, a vivid example of Jesus of Nazareth?
    Not for the sake of making money, namely free education which is not financed or rewarded by anyone, never, through any funds or budgets of any level, both in monetary terms and in other material goods. Because everything else has a reward and pursues certain goals (not necessarily terrorist) by someone, in some way or other, and this has nothing to do with altruism.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 4 May 2021 18: 55
      -2
      Well, and the last question, how many enlighteners have you all met in your life, a vivid example of Jesus of Nazareth?
      Soon at the Gathering, they will cancel ... he does not fit in, he does not have 2 years of experience, a contract and a license from the organization ... wink
      1. ironic
        ironic 6 May 2021 19: 52
        0
        Will the crosses along the roads be returned too? Will this be the third Rome?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 6 May 2021 20: 20
          -1
          Will the crosses along the roads be returned too?
          with bonfires and stones in city squares !!! laughing
          1. ironic
            ironic 6 May 2021 20: 36
            0
            And the guiltyatin would also be productive. It is very indicative in the square. good
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 6 May 2021 21: 28
              -1
              And the guiltyatin would also be productive. Very indicative in the square
              Well, then, for a complete set: a boiler and oil (for a fee from the audience and as a bonus, for regular visitors), can you create an even more spectacular show (namely, after a rack with a wheel), over low heat?
              1. ironic
                ironic 9 May 2021 14: 52
                0
                The wheel is not aesthetically pleasing and may not please the bosses. smile
  • Angry Alt-Right
    Angry Alt-Right 4 May 2021 19: 55
    0
    Am I the first to try to draw an analogy with "1984" or was it just the whole thing that was bought out "by default"? laughing
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 6 May 2021 20: 22
      -1
      Am I the first to try to draw an analogy with "1984" or was it just the whole thing that was bought out "by default"?
      with giblets and soul, because what authors are worried about, they do not let them sleep, there is higher in the article: "drugs, terrorism and same-sex marriages", which means they sold their souls for gold! negative
  • xorek
    xorek 4 May 2021 20: 35
    -3
    All foreign agents on the territory of Russia will be prohibited from engaging in education. In principle, it is quite logical. There is nothing to educate the minds of growing Russians with foreign money.

    Finally ..!!!!!! And then these kids are already running around PR for protests and it seems like it's normal .. You ask why and why? And we are so in the textbooks written freedom and democracy .. Who does not jump, that scoop, etc.
    This is how we live according to Soros and will wait soon. Ugh, damn it.! And then again, who is to blame and what to do.
    1. ironic
      ironic 6 May 2021 19: 54
      -2
      Soros needs you with such a worldview even more, he will gladly take advantage of your hatred for him.
      1. xorek
        xorek 6 May 2021 20: 01
        +2
        Quote: ironic
        Soros needs you with such a worldview even more, he will gladly take advantage of your hatred for him.

        I see you are bullying everyone here .. Provocateur?
        "Independent" you are our .. bully Oh well ..
        1. ironic
          ironic 6 May 2021 20: 15
          -2
          Yeah, Soros himself. What other words do you know?
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 6 May 2021 20: 55
          +2
          Quote: xorek
          I see you are bullying everyone here

          I am also surprised how the citizens of Israel are concerned about the "rights of fighters" in Russia.
          1. ironic
            ironic 6 May 2021 21: 14
            -2
            What else surprises you about me, the size of the nose? Cheeks? Accent? Skull shape? Do the thousands of Israelis' relatives and friends in Russia surprise you?
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 6 May 2021 22: 05
              +2
              Quote: ironic
              What else surprises you about me, the size of the nose? Cheeks? Accent? Skull shape?

              How do I know if I have never seen you?
              And by the way, how are the human rights that were violated by the IDF, so the ICC demanded an investigation?
              1. ironic
                ironic 9 May 2021 14: 49
                -1
                That is why I ask, since I have never seen, you do not know, but surprises.
                The ICC can only request an investigation into suspicions. So far, he has no expensive jurisdiction in the I&S district. There is a military court of the I&S district for the investigation on the spot and it is operating. If there were violations, there will be responsibility. So far, every appealed use of force has been investigated.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 9 May 2021 15: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: ironic
                  That is why I ask, since I have never seen, you do not know, but surprises.

                  Is surprising

                  Quote: ironic
                  The ICC can only request an investigation into suspicions.

                  Well, let there be an independent international court, what is the problem.
                  And by the way, how are your Bandera friends? Haven't you gone to your leader yet?
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 10 May 2021 13: 45
                    -1
                    Are you talking about these savages?


                    An independent court has jurisdiction only in the event of inaction or absence of local courts, and they exist and operate in accordance with the norms of international law on civil administration in a martial law zone.

                    I don’t know I don’t have such friends, so I have nothing to say to you. I have little interest in the health of the Bandera people and to whom they went.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 10 May 2021 15: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: ironic
                      Are you talking about these savages?

                      About these

                      Quote: ironic
                      An independent court has jurisdiction only in the event of inaction or absence of local jurisdictions

                      Arab? And when did he appear there?
                      Quote: ironic
                      I don’t know I don’t have such friends
                      Well, what about the students who told you the "truth" when they were participants in the Bandera coup.
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 10 May 2021 16: 57
                        -1
                        Even I do not see anything in this photo, except the girl's pleasure from the fact that she is being cautiously carried by as many as three men. She has a smile on her face. lol

                        Zone A and B of the I&S district, where the government of the PNA is located and exercises the executive power of the PNA police force, it operates, and zone C, where there is no subject of territorial administration and the civil administrative court of the Israeli Ministry of Defense operates, in accordance with the provisions of international law on martial law in the territories not having a subject of integrity and centralized local self-government.

                        Among the students with whom I had personal meetings there are neither Bandera members, nor participants in any coups. This is your speculation and your slander. Why should I respond to your reflection? What do I have to do with her? And no.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 10 May 2021 18: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: ironic
                        Even I do not see anything in this photo, except the girl's pleasure from the fact that she is being cautiously carried by as many as three men

                        And you do not know that this is called sexism and is condemned in the entire Western society?
                        Quote: ironic
                        the administrative court of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, in accordance with the provisions of international law on martial law in territories that do not have a subject of integrity and centralized local self-government

                        That is, occupied by you. What are we talking about.
                        Quote: ironic
                        Among the students with whom I had personal meetings there are neither Bandera members, nor participants in any coups.

                        So you yourself said in a recent discussion that you know what kind of "Berkut" is so-and-so from the direct participants in the very first speeches who started the Bandera coup?
                        Ah-ah-ah, I understood, there are several of you under the same nickname, here is a new one and does not know what the previous one wrote about. Article "March 18 - Day of the reunification of Crimea with Russia." Check it out.
                      3. ironic
                        ironic 10 May 2021 23: 35
                        -2
                        No, not vkurse, although I know the meaning of this term. I have a construction site on the next street, on the fence it is written in Russian ..., and pipes lie behind the fence.

                        Occupation, according to international standards, can only be owned by the subject of integrity, the territory that did not belong - to control. Therefore, this is not about that.

                        Berkut beat to death unarmed students who had the constitutional right to protest. Bandera's followers appeared in Kiev later, including through the fault of the Berkutovites, who gave the extremists legitimacy.
                        Yes, yes, I know, I am under all the nicknames of the State Department. You cannot have any other reflection. You are not an independent thinking creature. You have been indoctrinated that the existence of the Bandera supporters justifies the murder of anyone.
                        Here Odessa is a crime of the fascists, and Kiev is not a crime of the fascists.
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 11 May 2021 19: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: ironic
                        According to international standards, it is possible to occupy only the territory that belonged to the subject of integrity, which did not belong

                        And here in the next branch (dedicated to shelling from Gaza) they assure that this is a separate state. And the Golan Heights quite belong to Syria, which is also a state.
                        Quote: ironic
                        Berkut beat unarmed students to death

                        At first they said that he was shooting from sniper rifles, but then they disappeared somewhere and appeared, some kind of iron sticks.
                        Quote: ironic
                        Bandera members appeared in Kiev later
                        They fell from the moon, and before that they were not.
                        There was a Bandera coup, which at first they tried to disguise, but when it did not work, they had to show themselves openly.
  • gsev
    gsev 6 May 2021 21: 09
    -2
    Quote: ironic
    Soros needs you with such a worldview even more,

    I suppose that Russia owes part of its success in developing vaccines against Coaida to Soros. In the 1990s, he strongly encouraged teachers of scientists and students of Russia to continue their activities in the scientific field.
  • BAI
    BAI 4 May 2021 21: 07
    0
    The law is necessary. But done as always through the opa. For example:
    1.
    Not everything is simple with individuals and individual entrepreneurs either. They have to:
    - be of legal age;
    - have at least two years of experience in educational activities;
    - not have restrictions on pedagogical activity, which are provided for by the TC;
    - have no criminal record and socially dangerous diseases.

    How to get 2 years of educational work if you cannot engage in educational activities without having 2 years of work experience?

    2. How can the employees of the research institute (ctn - experienced people who have real practical experience in production and science, which students lack, since it (experience) is not in the university - only theory) get an associate professor? An associate professor needs 2 years of experience. And how to get it now, without any experience?
    It seems that the law was prepared by those about whom Lavrov once expressed himself. Moreover, it is in the stated formulation.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 4 May 2021 21: 47
    +2
    Earlier this year, Chinese Dr. Ling Jpei, via 5G communication, implanted a neurotransmitter into the brain of a patient with Parkinson's, at a distance of 2400 kilometers.
    Americans have had these types of surgeries last year.

    And your hastily grown, from the communists, "nobles" are engaged in such utter nonsense that they clearly need to undergo an operation from Dunning-Kruger.
    1. Anachoret
      Anachoret 4 May 2021 23: 38
      +4
      there are neurotransmitters in ordinary pills) it can only improve synaptic connections in the human neural system) theoretically, this chip of yours can improve cognitive abilities, but if the cause of the disease is not eliminated, the chip will need to be updated with increased impact) in one word - a dream for insurance medicine for pumping out the dough)

      how you dragged Dunning and Kruger into some kind of operation - it is not clear) but I agree with you on one thing, many nouveau riches, imagining themselves messiahs of enlightenment of social transformations in Russia, really deserve a lobotomy) with a life pension of 5-7 thousand)
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 6 May 2021 20: 27
        0
        many nouveau riches, imagining themselves messiahs of enlightenment of social transformations in Russia, really deserve a lobotomy) with a life pension of 5-7 thousand)
        Without a pension, let them "eat" very fatly from their own, because they have already saved up for themselves, many of these! stop
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 4 May 2021 22: 51
    +2
    The UN Convention on the Protection of the Rights of the Child clearly states that the child is protected from harmful information that can harm physical or mental health. So the law is within the framework of international law. And by the way, do you know which country has not ratified the convention? That's right, USA. Under the pretty pretext of the impossibility of ensuring the high standards stated in the document.
    If you cannot defeat the enemy directly, raise his children as moral monsters. And, by the way, in the "terrible scoop" critical thinking developed very actively, so the author should not distort the facts))
  • Konnick
    Konnick 5 May 2021 03: 50
    -1
    Quote: region58
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    begins to resemble Arkanar ...

    If you remember Pol Pot, Kampuchea and the Khmer Rouge, then reality will be cooler than fiction ...
    Teachers, doctors, priests, and the intelligentsia were destroyed (anyone who wore glasses, read books, knew a foreign language, wore decent clothes, in particular of European style), as well as those suspected of having connections with the previous government or foreign governments, were considered intellectuals. It was forbidden to write and read.


    Well, this is the same reality as the shootings from anti-aircraft guns in the DPRK.
    What they wrote about the Khmer Rouge is the result of propaganda. All these rumors, which turned into "obvious" facts, came from refugees, it is like about the massacres in Crimea of ​​white officers and intellectuals from emigre hackers, who deliberately evoke pity for their emigre fate. At one time, the AIF published an article in which it was asserted about 200 thousand executed officers, and if Wrangel had so many officers, in addition to those who emigrated, i.e. 1,5 times more than in the entire Russian imperial army during WWI, then he would not have surrendered Crimea so quickly and possibly "embodied" Aksenov's sick fantasies. Chat with Cambodians and don't mistake outright lies for the truth.
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 5 May 2021 07: 03
    -2
    It was bombed, as I can see, from all the most "revolutionary", "deprived" and other foreign citizens hung with communist symbols, which is not surprising ... they want to take away the last outlet from the Brighton Beach Luzurs. There will simply be no one to bark at ... What a horror!))) Bidapichal ...
    1. Usher
      Usher 5 May 2021 18: 18
      0
      Quote: Cottodraton
      It was bombed, as I can see, from all the most "revolutionary", "deprived" and other foreign citizens hung with communist symbols, which is not surprising ... they want to take away the last outlet from the Brighton Beach Luzurs. There will simply be no one to bark at ... What a horror!))) Bidapichal ...

      What do you have against the communists?
      1. ironic
        ironic 6 May 2021 20: 05
        -2
        I have. They almost drowned my homeland in the economic and political swamps of kibbutz charlatanism and beggarliness, as well as dictatorial Stalinism, but as everyone was equal, of course, they were smoother. Komunyaki are talking about equality only to the gray ranks of rogue, but they themselves are not going to stand in them. Glory to Gd with the resignation and exile of Ben-Gurion this came, albeit a partial, but fur-bearing animal, although it has not been eradicated so far. And all the traitors who transmitted information of operational importance to the enemies who tried to drown Mr. in blood turned out to be komunyaks. McCarthy is not on them at all. I keep his photo on my computer desktop.
        1. gsev
          gsev 6 May 2021 21: 23
          0
          Quote: ironic
          Almost drowned my homeland in the economic and political swamps of kibbutz charlatanism and beggarly

          In difficult times, any state is forced to live on the basis of communist rules. The clearest example of the founding fathers of the United States from the Plymouth colony. The first years of their colony existed as a commune. As the threat of extinction from starvation receded, they began to live according to capitalist principles with private property rights. In the early years, the Israelis faced a dilemma for all to die or for all to create a viable state. I had to live according to the principle of each according to the minimum needs from each to the maximum possible, or die.
          1. ironic
            ironic 9 May 2021 13: 19
            0
            This does not at all justify what happened in these communes and throughout the country. I took a good interest in the history of the creation of the city after I came to it and acquired knowledge of the language at the required level.
        2. Usher
          Usher 8 May 2021 01: 42
          0
          Quote: ironic
          I have. They almost drowned my homeland in the economic and political swamps of kibbutz charlatanism and beggarliness, as well as dictatorial Stalinism, but as everyone was equal, of course, they were smoother. Komunyaki are talking about equality only to the gray ranks of rogue, but they themselves are not going to stand in them. Glory to Gd with the resignation and exile of Ben-Gurion this came, albeit a partial, but fur-bearing animal, although it has not been eradicated so far. And all the traitors who transmitted information of operational importance to the enemies who tried to drown Mr. in blood turned out to be komunyaks. McCarthy is not on them at all. I keep his photo on my computer desktop.

          What are you talking about? This is not your homeland, sit in your Israel.
          1. Sarboz
            Sarboz 8 May 2021 22: 59
            0
            Quote: Usher
            What are you talking about? This is not your homeland, sit in your Israel.

            I'll explain it to you. Their real homeland, the USSR, gave them everything that they are now, education, intelligence. They not only emigrated to Israel, they throw mud at their homeland. They betrayed her. Everyone knows how traitors end their lives, and they suffer from it. Therefore, they call themselves "repatriates", and call their homeland their Zionist state, which they owe to Stalin. So they try to drown out the pangs of their conscience.
            If they are "repatriates", then it turns out that some KGB agents stole their grandfathers from Israel and transported them to the USSR, forcibly provided them with housing, gave them an excellent education for free, provided them with medicine. Some kind of fanaticism. Then it is understandable why their grandson was so eager to "go home".
            1. ironic
              ironic 9 May 2021 13: 52
              -2
              Our real homeland Israel gave every Jew the right to return to his homeland, because the Jews had no choice either where they would be given, or how to live a very long period of history. And the country where the now Russian-speaking Jews were born received from them everything that was due according to the obligations of the citizens of this country and much more than that. And the country in which they gave birth, decided to sell them in the 90-91's for 50K bucks per head and undress them at 800 rubles for renouncing citizenship and at frantic tariffs for each rag sent. A parcel with books (limited to a maximum of 6kg) cost 120 rubles. for those leaving for Israel.
              Now to the adherents of the soviet-komunyachy worldview. These adherents to this day pour out their bile in appeals to some kind of virtual conscience for them, because they never had and never will have. It is shameless, and in the last instance to deny the right of a Jew to a homeland, namely the ZIONIST, which is the elementary right of the people to self-determination, national and historical self-identification and territorial independence at the historical place of the formation of the people, on its land - Eretz Israel, in Palestine, the only Palestinian people - Jews.
              For those sitting on the needle of the soviet-KGB-shno-komunyachy drug, Israel was proclaimed in the 48th year, starting with a Jewish Palestinian "yeshuv" of 160 thousand people, therefore, for such shameless zombies, as you repeat, people and families were not repatriated who had the opportunity to choose where they would be born and where to choose their place of residence, and often the right to their culture, language and religious tradition. Only today a Jew can freely choose whether to live and give birth in Israel or another country. You know this, but you continue your shameless racist fables. And yes, the communists and kgbeshniki at the 20th congress already after the 67th year, decided that there is some other people of Palestine, except for the Jews, before that no one knew about this, even the Arabs, who demanded not to dare to name them Palestinians, for they are Jews. No one was given any housing free of charge. They worked like horses, and for this one could stand in a long queue for years to get not one of their cubicles for a couple, three rooms in huge 9-storey barracks, called clubs, in which there were 14-16 entrances, I remember all this well ... And I was born (well, that is, I began my life) in a semi-basement one and a half-room (you can't call it otherwise) apartment for 4 people, opposite the railway bridge. The only one to whom in the USSR one could say a low bow for medicine was the district doctors, and the surgeons almost crippled me for the rest of my life and it was not at all free, I had to give out bribes for any serious operation at all. When I showed the scar from this operation to the doctor in Israel, he was horrified.
              And I will repeat myself, all over the world of developed countries, it is customary to be proud of owls and former neighbors who settled abroad and achieved some kind of achievement, and only sarbozo-postsovki-kagabsh-komunyachi emanate bile, although there are practically no Jewish neighbors left around them. Sarbozo-KGB-Kominyaks, there are 4.5 million Jews in tsarist Russia. In the USSR, before the war, 2.5 million, in the 80s, about 2 million, and today you have ~ 150 thousand Jews who are not citizens of other countries! Where are your Jews Sarbozo-KGB-Kominyaks !?
          2. ironic
            ironic 9 May 2021 13: 17
            -1
            So I'm just talking about my homeland. And where can I sit if not in Israel. Yours was also drowned, only first in blood, and then in begging, then ... well, then there was a lot more.
            1. Usher
              Usher 9 May 2021 13: 51
              -1
              Quote: ironic
              So I'm just talking about my homeland. And where can I sit if not in Israel. Yours was also drowned, only first in blood, and then in begging, then ... well, then there was a lot more.

              What are you talking about? Are you an ant?
        3. Usher
          Usher 8 May 2021 01: 43
          +1
          Communism and socialism is the most humane system. Precisely the idea itself, have you ever read the theory of communism?
          1. ironic
            ironic 9 May 2021 13: 56
            0
            If only we talk about a kind of utopian humanism, but this can be generated in any paradigm, virtual.
            I graduated from the Soviet Polytechnic, with all the required subjects, and in each semester I had a maximum of one grade of grade! What do you think? And according to the works of theorists, I passed examinations in political economy and in the history of party congresses ...
  • Esaul
    Esaul 5 May 2021 09: 32
    +3
    The closer the catastrophe, the more idiotic laws.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 5 May 2021 13: 24
    0
    many modern scientists talk about the achievements of science on the Internet for free. No contracts or licenses. They just give knowledge to those who are interested.

    And the state, which pays them a salary, does not have a penny from it.
    1. gsev
      gsev 6 May 2021 21: 27
      -1
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      And the state, which pays them a salary, does not have a penny from it.

      Entrepreneurs do not have to invest in education and retraining of their employees and pay more taxes on their profits. Apparently, therefore, the PRC, with its 1500 population, could not create better quality vaccines than Russia. I will assume that collecting taxes from some income costs the state more than these tax authorities bring in.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 5 May 2021 13: 35
    -2
    Why can't you just create a committee that would monitor the activities of bloggers and other "masters of thought", and if they start to speak in an undesirable way, apply sanctions?
    Without all these convoluted outreach laws.
    1. Usher
      Usher 5 May 2021 18: 17
      -3
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Why can't you just create a committee that would monitor the activities of bloggers and other "masters of thought", and if they start to speak in an undesirable way, apply sanctions?
      Without all these convoluted outreach laws.

      I agree!
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 5 May 2021 23: 33
        -5
        Quote: Usher
        I agree!

        Better not just a committee in Moscow, but an authorized representative for each district administration, who will watch what undesirable things are written both on a federal scale and on a district level.
        1. gsev
          gsev 6 May 2021 19: 36
          -1
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          but with each district administration, an authorized person who will watch

          Is there enough money in the state budget for this sinecure in the conditions of a real struggle for leadership in the modern world? Perhaps the drafters of the law just need to show their importance and get the loot for recruiting young and beautiful secretaries.
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 6 May 2021 20: 02
            -1
            Quote: gsev
            Is there enough money in the state budget for this sinecure in the conditions of a real struggle for leadership in the modern world? Perhaps the drafters of the law just need to show their importance and get the loot for recruiting young and beautiful secretaries.

            Okay, new positions don't have to be introduced.
            It is enough to authorize the heads of administrations to apply restrictive measures on a legal basis. I'm sure everyone has a list of those who express a lot of undesirable things in the controlled territory, for example, they write lampoons about clearing snow with Photoshop.
            1. gsev
              gsev 6 May 2021 20: 16
              -1
              Quote: Narak-zempo
              I am sure everyone has a list of those who express a lot of undesirable things in the controlled territory,

              And who will control how correctly these lists are filled? Maybe it will be brought in not enemies but friends of Putin? Or those teachers who often give deuces to the children of important officials and do not allow them to pull the girls by the pigtails at school?
              1. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 6 May 2021 20: 17
                0
                Quote: gsev
                And who will control how correctly these lists are filled out? Maybe it will be brought in not enemies but friends of Putin?

                So have we built a vertical or what?
      2. ironic
        ironic 6 May 2021 20: 07
        -1
        And return the camps! And so that the Arctic Circle!
        1. Usher
          Usher 8 May 2021 01: 44
          +1
          Quote: ironic
          And return the camps! And so that the Arctic Circle!

          Why are you grimacing here?
          1. ironic
            ironic 9 May 2021 13: 15
            -1
            Well, I'm showing people like you their actual appearance. How else to show that it is crooked. Only grimace.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 6 May 2021 20: 58
      +1
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      and if they start to speak out in an undesirable manner, apply sanctions?

      And on what basis? In order to apply sanctions, a law is needed.
    3. gsev
      gsev 6 May 2021 21: 32
      -1
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      a committee that would monitor the activities of bloggers and other "masters of thought", and in case they start to speak in an undesirable manner

      And in Russia, the committees came to the conclusion that it is undesirable? Who should consider Lazo-Lenin's associate who did not allow the "democrats" Ungern and Semyonov into power, or the hero who did not allow Japan and their puppets Semyonov and Ungern to tear away Primorye and Transbaikalia from Russia with insignificant resources?
  • puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 5 May 2021 14: 33
    +2
    Law or regulation, title doesn't really matter. This list of requirements suggests that there is no Education System in Russia! There are requirements, but no system! If the country has a unified education system, methodological literature and textbooks, when one subject is intertwined with another, and the topics of classes in one subject supplement information on another, then there will be no opportunity to teach "the wrong thing". In the absence of a Systems Approach to education, the prohibition on education leads to even greater stupidity. And the lack of a systematic approach will allow officials to use the law (decree, regulation) at their own discretion.
  • Usher
    Usher 5 May 2021 18: 15
    -1
    Meanwhile, educational activity is the right of everyone, in my opinion. I can tell everyone about how to take a photo. The traveler should have the right to tell about the countries and places that he has seen. The culinary specialist should have the right to tell about delicious and healthy dishes. The psychologist should have the right to talk about how, for example, to save a family from a difficult situation.
    Disagree if you are, for example, a fanatic or a patient? Or an extremist or an "alternative"? The same flat-earthers are a dime a dozen. There is a channel on YouTube "Kramola", it needs to be closed. Looked and the hair moved. Powders brains, and millions of views!
    1. gsev
      gsev 6 May 2021 20: 10
      -1
      Quote: Usher
      Disagree if you are, for example, a fanatic or a patient? Or an extremist or an "alternative"?

      Perhaps, if Stalin had not allowed the alternative and extremist Landau to engage in science and write textbooks after the NKVD officers caught Landau with leaflets, the USSR would have been left without physics and nuclear weapons.
      1. Usher
        Usher 8 May 2021 01: 45
        +2
        Quote: gsev
        Quote: Usher
        Disagree if you are, for example, a fanatic or a patient? Or an extremist or an "alternative"?

        Perhaps, if Stalin had not allowed the alternative and extremist Landau to engage in science and write textbooks after the NKVD officers caught Landau with leaflets, the USSR would have been left without physics and nuclear weapons.

        Is he a scientist and in what place is he an alternative worker? Do not confuse YouTube fools and geniuses. Which is confirmed by the rules.
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 8 May 2021 14: 41
          0
          Well, here is a conversation between a representative of orthodox science with a young physicist, a supporter of the ether theory, in its modern sense:
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. Usher
            Usher 8 May 2021 16: 20
            +1
            What is orthodox in your opinion? Science cannot be orthodox, if this young man proves that his theory (not to be confused with meaning in ordinary life, the ignorant are confused) is correct or explains something. Nobody will put obstacles to him. It is in your head all sorts of "scientists are hiding" what kind of wild nonsense, how can a scientist hide, and most importantly why? On the contrary, it is not at all profitable for scientists to hide, and the fact that people do not publish, it means that it is necessary. But the obscurantist channels that carry nonsense and gag that do not have any factual or banal evidence underneath at all should be closed and their opinion should not be given a damn. Truth is one, and the one who tries to distort it cannot convey his distorted opinion to others. Let him first prove, and then broadcast. And not something that climbs into a sick head.
            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 8 May 2021 17: 54
              -2
              Let me disagree with you. Hypothetically, let's say that someone has invented something that will allow us to get away from hydrocarbons as the basis of the foundations of our civilization. Will he live long? This is how many respected people will lose money, how many concerns, factories, from automobiles to aircraft manufacturing, will not be needed in principle? The entire economy based on the siphoning of the planet's resources will be out of work.
              And you say something new will be welcomed.
              And the same "Kramol" site cannot be banned. Here, for example, Rutrecker has been banned for a long time, but as it worked, it continues.
              Happy great holiday!
              1. Usher
                Usher 8 May 2021 19: 19
                +2
                Quote: Ezoterik
                Let me disagree with you. Hypothetically, let's say that someone has invented something that will allow us to get away from hydrocarbons as the basis of the foundations of our civilization. Will he live long? This is how many respected people will lose money, how many concerns, factories, from automobiles to aircraft manufacturing, will not be needed in principle? The entire economy based on the siphoning of the planet's resources will be out of work.
                And you say something new will be welcomed.
                And the same "Kramol" site cannot be banned. Here, for example, Rutrecker has been banned for a long time, but as it worked, it continues.
                Happy great holiday!

                What does science have to do with it? Don't confuse business and science. For a businessman, it will stand up to him, but it all depends on political will. And no one will dispute the very fact of the invention, if the scientist himself does not stir up any muddle (The usual plot for stupid serials). What can be invented to get away from hydrocarbons? Only the theomyad, but it is difficult and expensive Nothing more.
                1. Esoteric
                  Esoteric 8 May 2021 23: 29
                  0
                  Well, there was a certain Nikola Tesla. And if civilization cannot get away from hydrocarbons, then it is doomed. Moreover, in the foreseeable two-century future. For oil is finite. Well, it means that humanity has not passed natural selection, there is nothing terrible in this. The planet will survive and bring up another kind of intelligent.
                  1. Usher
                    Usher 9 May 2021 00: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Ezoterik
                    Well, there was a certain Nikola Tesla. And if civilization cannot get away from hydrocarbons, then it is doomed. Moreover, in the foreseeable two-century future. For oil is finite. Well, it means that humanity has not passed natural selection, there is nothing terrible in this. The planet will survive and bring up another kind of intelligent.

                    Do you believe in fairy tales about Tesla? I thought you were a sane person. And in general, what does Tesla have to do with it, that he invented such that it would be possible to get away from hydrocarbons? And what's wrong with hydrocarbons anyway? All civilization is oil, all plastic is oil, all energy is oil. And yet it is not a fact that it is finite. Of course fusion is better, but for now, do you think it's better to go to steampunk? Was it burning with firewood?
                    1. Rusticolus
                      Rusticolus 11 May 2021 13: 02
                      0
                      All civilization is oil, all plastic is oil, all energy is oil.
                      In fact, plastic is not that much cheaper than wood. But this is only for now. Nuclear and hydropower engineering has long since seriously pushed fuel oil combustion. And unlike oil, timber and hydropower are certainly endless for the foreseeable future.
                      1. Usher
                        Usher 11 May 2021 23: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: Rusticolus
                        All civilization is oil, all plastic is oil, all energy is oil.
                        In fact, plastic is not that much cheaper than wood. But this is only for now. Nuclear and hydropower engineering has long since seriously pushed fuel oil combustion. And unlike oil, timber and hydropower are certainly endless for the foreseeable future.

                        Will you be using wood? Did you know that a pulp mill is a hundred times more environmentally hazardous than an oil refinery?
                      2. Rusticolus
                        Rusticolus 12 May 2021 06: 13
                        -1
                        Will you be using wood? Did you know that a pulp mill is a hundred times more environmentally hazardous than an oil refinery?
                        Pulp and paper mills are dangerous just as much as money invested in its production safety. Nuclear power plants are also super-dangerous, especially if their waste is dumped over the fence, into dumps. But no one does that. And the same fuel oil is not poured into the neighboring river, but they could. I am already silent about the rest of the refinery emissions, not to mention the danger of accidents. Compared to it, the pulp and paper mill is flowers. Well, it smells of hydrogen sulfide, but not even as much as ZTU.
                  2. Esoteric
                    Esoteric 16 May 2021 09: 47
                    -1
                    Energy must be taken from a certain substance, which was present in the original version of the periodic table. We are talking about the ether. But for this it is necessary to send a certain "genius" to the dustbin of history and science, which will never be done. The earthly civilization of stars can not be seen, it will die out on the third planet, in the solar system.
                    And the fact that science does not yet know does not mean that this does not exist. In the time of Lomonosov, such an ordinary thing as a telephone would have seemed like wild nonsense and fantasy.
            2. Usher
              Usher 8 May 2021 19: 20
              +1
              Quote: Ezoterik
              Let me disagree with you. Hypothetically, let's say that someone has invented something that will allow us to get away from hydrocarbons as the basis of the foundations of our civilization. Will he live long? This is how many respected people will lose money, how many concerns, factories, from automobiles to aircraft manufacturing, will not be needed in principle? The entire economy based on the siphoning of the planet's resources will be out of work.
              And you say something new will be welcomed.
              And the same "Kramol" site cannot be banned. Here, for example, Rutrecker has been banned for a long time, but as it worked, it continues.
              Happy great holiday!

              Are you for the fact that some kind of "yazhemamki" or sick in the head people taught children and broadcast from YouTube? Are you for this? If so, then you are not a normal person.
              1. Esoteric
                Esoteric 8 May 2021 23: 45
                0
                Well, at least take a very recent history. Russian empire. From the point of view of the communist ideology, there was hopeless darkness and merciless exploitation there. From another point of view, the empire was on the rise, everything in the state was good, or was striving for good. And what to teach? Who is right?
                The prevalence of one point of view will clearly not convince opponents. And the forbidden fruit is attractive.
                And no matter how it turns out that banning "flat-earthers" will not achieve the opposite effect. An increase in the number of those who will really believe in this nonsense. Yours faithfully!
                1. Usher
                  Usher 9 May 2021 00: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Ezoterik
                  Well, at least take a very recent history. Russian empire. From the point of view of the communist ideology, there was hopeless darkness and merciless exploitation there. From another point of view, the empire was on the rise, everything in the state was good, or was striving for good. And what to teach? Who is right?
                  The prevalence of one point of view will clearly not convince opponents. And the forbidden fruit is attractive.
                  And no matter how it turns out that banning "flat-earthers" will not achieve the opposite effect. An increase in the number of those who will really believe in this nonsense. Yours faithfully!

                  Why is this? On what rise, dear? Aren't you a "crystal baker"? Do you know what percentage of the illiterate population was in Ingushetia? Compared to European countries, the Republic of Ingushetia was completely dark! What kind of development can we talk about? About rare nuggets and geniuses? So this is an era of change, the second industrial revolution. In each country there were breakthroughs, but everything is learned in comparison. And this comparison is not in favor of RI.

                  At the expense of "flat-earthers", maybe you are right, then you need to force them to indicate that this is their delirium and inflamed consciousness.
                  1. Esoteric
                    Esoteric 9 May 2021 01: 37
                    -1
                    My grandfather told me. He went through two wars, 1914 and the Great Patriotic War. Under the king, in their family, his father raised at four in the morning, and to arable land. Until the sun goes down. On bad days. Women take proper care of the livestock. Everyone worked, no one was shirking. As a result, they lived richly, with their labor they rebuilt one of the best houses in the village. Then the village council was there.
                    As for those who lived in poverty. For the most part, as he said, they were complete idlers, big drinkers. "Hollows", as he called them. Not in the sense that the house is empty, but that they do not want to correct this situation in any way, although they have legs, and hands, and land, just work, but no, they did not want to.
                    Then they all went to the kombeda, it's easier, you don't have to work.
                    1. Usher
                      Usher 11 May 2021 23: 06
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                      Quote: Ezoterik
                      My grandfather told me. He went through two wars, 1914 and the Great Patriotic War. Under the king, in their family, his father raised at four in the morning, and to arable land. Until the sun goes down. On bad days. Women take proper care of the livestock. Everyone worked, no one was shirking. As a result, they lived richly, with their labor they rebuilt one of the best houses in the village. Then the village council was there.
                      As for those who lived in poverty. For the most part, as he said, they were complete idlers, big drinkers. "Hollows", as he called them. Not in the sense that the house is empty, but that they do not want to correct this situation in any way, although they have legs, and hands, and land, just work, but no, they did not want to.
                      Then they all went to the kombeda, it's easier, you don't have to work.

                      Who are you talking to? My great-grandfather was born in 1894, went through all the wars including the Civil and Finnish. He graduated in Königsberg. Why do I need to know this? Only for the state, what's the use of your wealth? Did they become engineers, scientists? Smarter?
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 8 May 2021 14: 19
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    How interesting, to ban everything. They have already passed, the prohibitions do not help, they only inflame the interest even more, because if it is forbidden, then there is something in it.
    Isn't that so? I don't understand, you want to forbid me to believe in God? For this is not consistent with science in your understanding? That is, the first persons of our state serving in the temple are ignorant people?
    No one can forbid to consider Einstein's theory as abstruse nonsense, and moreover, not only such ignoramuses as those who write this think so, but many scientists with a name, only the sectarians of the only correct teaching do not give them a move, does it remind you of anything? "And yet it turns," forgive me.
    And the authors of the same sedition have the right to their point of view, whether you like it or not, that's what the freedom of speech is guaranteed by the constitution. I don't like this "sedition", so what? Create a channel and disprove in the light of the only correct science, what's the problem? Tell us simply, understandably, it is interesting that everything is completely different from what they say. You can not? To prohibit it is understandably easier, only this prohibition will do nothing, it will only spur even greater interest. And even now, in the conditions of the Internet, nothing can be banned. Even in China, the "great and terrible" firewall breaks through without too much trouble.
    1. Usher
      Usher 8 May 2021 16: 14
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      Quote: Ezoterik
      And the authors of the same sedition are entitled to their point of view

      Dont Have.
  • Usher
    Usher 5 May 2021 18: 20
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    Judging by the number of "minuses" on the site, the majority, this is liberda and bulk.
    1. gsev
      gsev 6 May 2021 20: 13
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      Quote: Usher
      Judging by the number of "minuses" on the site, the majority, this is liberda and bulk.

      Or there are many smart people on the site who understand the harmfulness of the adopted law on education for the development and very existence of Russia.
      1. Usher
        Usher 8 May 2021 01: 47
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        Quote: gsev
        Quote: Usher
        Judging by the number of "minuses" on the site, the majority, this is liberda and bulk.

        Or there are many smart people on the site who understand the harmfulness of the adopted law on education for the development and very existence of Russia.

        How is it harmful? Can you explain clearly? I don't see any perniciousness here. I just wouldn't broadcast all sorts of "Von Danikins" and "Fomenkovs"
  • Earnest
    Earnest 5 May 2021 20: 37
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    Quote: Hagen
    [So if you want to be an elite, become one. Putin was not a count, neither was Sechin. You just have to plow. Both children and parents.

    Well, tell us where is this field that we need to plow to enter new counties? Wasn't it still in the 90s that its harvests were reaped, somewhere in the "lakeside agricultural cooperative"? I know for sure - my social circle and the horizon of events in the next ten years will remain at the level no higher than the "head of the city administration department / deputy minister of the region". And my children in the current social order will only jump to the height to which a springboard from my money and connections will throw them. And all sorts of upper education, fluency in English, and so on - it's something like a groove on a key. We went to the slot - stuck. And to twist, opening the door, someone's strong hand is needed ... This is not a "society of equal opportunities" for you, there is nothing to wave dreams here ...
    1. gsev
      gsev 6 May 2021 21: 37
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      Quote: Earnest
      And my children in the current social order will only jump to the height to which a springboard from my money and connections will throw them.

      If they are smart and businesslike, then the springboard will be for their good, and if the losers, then your protégé can do them a disservice. Remember the fate of the sons of Gaddafi, when he killed a difficult-to-control but talented general and brought the military closer to himself, who assured him of the success of the invasion of Kuwait.
  • Earnest
    Earnest 5 May 2021 20: 44
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    Quote: nikvic46
    ... If earlier a believer was told about the murderer, he would begin to pray fervently. Now murder is replicated in films and in books. And religious figures are quite satisfied with this. There to see, here not to see. We are told that there will be a struggle with luxury. A person is supposed to be 18 square meters during his life. And what more is a luxury? We are told that we must follow the traditions of the Russian people ...

    In Orenburg, I saw a brand new church, built in 2019, near which a two-story house for the abbot was erected this year. The house is exactly the same size as the church. Only there is no bell tower.
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