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Western Ukraine: monuments, memory and unconsciousness

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In my opinion, the soul and heart of Ukraine live in villages and small towns, where people still care what their neighbors think of them. Where the patriarchal way of life and thinking still clearly separates "black" and "white". In each such settlement there is a place (or several) that connects the present day with the events of the past. As a rule, these are preserved or restored architectural forms, temples or obelisks. It is about the latter, dedicated to those who died and won in the Great Patriotic War, that I want to tell you. All of them are located in Western Ukraine. Lviv, Ternopil and Khmelnytsky regions are practically nearby. They are separated by 30-50 km, no more. This is roughly the same as at different ends of a big city.



















Western Ukraine: monuments, memory and unconsciousness
















































Ozernaya


Ozernaya - a village in the Ternopil region. There is a large memorial, a mass grave in which 391 people are buried. I do not write "soldiers of the Red Army." First of all, they people... And if it is important for anyone, there are plenty of Ukrainian surnames there. They died during the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazis in 1944. The memorial monument is located right next to the highway. It was built in the early 50s. And he was always in excellent condition. Until very recently. Now it is being intensively destroyed. I suppose, under the influence of some local tectonic and weather anomalies. Well, I can't believe that the inhabitants of the village of Ozernoye, who have planted a bunch of shops, bars and a mega superfood with a holy spring 200 meters from the memorial, do not find the means and conscience to maintain the memorial in a decent condition.

Heaters


Literally next to the village Heaters... The same Ternopil region. There is a small alley in the depths of the road and a solemn monument guarded by huge Christmas trees. To the right and to the left of it, two small neat churches emphasize the frailty of our life and the greatness of the deeds of the fallen. The Ukrainian flag is adjacent to the words "Great Patriotic War" - now banned in Ukraine. And the years of war are indicated in 1941-1945, and not since 1939, as recommended by the "Vyatrovichi" from the Kiev "Institute of National Unconsciousness."

Chervone


The village of Chervone Zolochevsky district of Lviv region. During the war years - a place of torment and death of many people. This village was called Lyatske in the past. It has an interesting history... And the Soviet period is not particularly revered there by the locals. But nevertheless, there is a small alley and albeit unkempt, but a preserved monument to the dead. Fir-trees along the path to the monument do not feel very well. And I understand them ... Someone from the local decided for some reason that the star on the soldier's helmet should be blue? The lack of the necessary paint or education is difficult to say. There is no special love for the monument, but there is a minimum of respect. Which is also not enough.

Again Lviv region. Adjunction of the N-02 highway to the Lviv bypass. Near the road there is a monument to the soldiers who died during the reunification of Western Ukraine with the greater Ukraine in 1939. Looks like there are still enough sane people in our Ukrainian Piedmont. Those who understand that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact together with the Pereyaslav Rada are the origins of the emergence of the current conventionally conciliar and, though formally, but notdependent Ukraine. The monument is unkempt, but also unkempt.

Korystova


Fast forward to the west of the Khmelnytsky region. Small village Korystova, in fact, merged with the provincial, but industrialized town of Volochisk. Monument to the soldiers who died during the liberation of the village, on the rise and bend of the road. I think you can see everything in the photographs. Except for words - it should be so everywhere. Nothing comes to my mind. A tiny "drop of tar" on the monument is an attempt to scratch and paint over a small star.

Сonclusion


I will summarize my short review. Everything described and shown is located side by side. But the differences are huge and obvious. I dare to say - you can be a convinced nationalist, love and honor only certain periods and leaders of your state and at the same time remain a decent, civilized person. And what to be like for you, your village or settlement - is decided not in Kiev or Washington, but you yourself and your neighbors. There are human concepts that stand above politics and laws.

We are really very different... Finding ourselves on the territory given to us with statehood - like a child with a rattle - we do not know what to do and where to go. All of today's great nations have been in the same situation, but centuries ago. All today's assessments of what is happening in Ukraine sin with primitiveness and simplification. Like "there is fascism" or "there is no fascism." I would answer that it exists, but this is not fascism.

Ukraine, in my opinion, will not be destroyed by the collapse of industry or the civil war in the east. And the degradation of the education system. The rising generation of consumers - "non-knowledges" and "ignoramuses" - is not something that will not increase, but will destroy what they got. We have almost become a country that not respect, not afraid and not love

The March of the fans of the 14th SS Division in Kiev is not so much a disgrace for Ukraine and not even so much for Kiev. It is a shame on the parents and teachers of these "cargo cult" supporters. Let them live with it. In my opinion, such deviations are present in all countries. I believe that we just have more freedom.

The next anniversary of the Great Victory will put everything in its place. Simply by its very historical fact.
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  1. prior
    prior 3 May 2021 12: 17
    -8
    I don’t feel sorry for suicides.
    The Ukrainians who voted for independence in 1991 and thus betrayed Russia are suicides.
    They killed themselves, well ...
    We didn’t motivate them to do this. They made their choice.
    And everything that is happening in Ukraine now is the result of their choice.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 May 2021 12: 34
      +10
      The author confuses the concepts. Freedom and permissiveness. There you have no more freedom, but permissiveness. And about that there is enough of a similar eructation in all countries, I do not agree.
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      2. The popuas
        The popuas 3 May 2021 15: 05
        +11
        Nuuu ... my friend ... don't be so categorical! Take the mausoleum drapery on May 9th! And this is one of the greatest turning points of the Russian state! recourse so why is the current government `` striving '' for this!? ... So in Russia, this burp also exists ... no matter how you would like not to see this
        1. 210ox
          210ox 3 May 2021 15: 56
          +3
          I see, and I really don't like it. The policy of discrediting everything that is Soviet. But in any case, followers of SS divisions are not marching here.
        2. I do not care
          I do not care 3 May 2021 17: 45
          -1
          absolutely soglashen.vot video, if you remove, blur the Russian paraphernalia, the right-bank Ukraine will come out.
          https://vk.com/video-25280329_456251351
    2. Holgerton
      Holgerton 3 May 2021 14: 43
      +7
      By your logic, Russia betrayed itself before the overwhelming majority of the other republics, since the Presidium of the RSFSR was one of the first to proclaim sovereignty and independence, Ukraine and Belarus followed only more than a month later, if the center did not have the will, then what could be demand from the rest?
      Moreover, according to your logic, since we do not need them, then why don't we just let them go somewhere in NATO for free bread, we are rich, we do not need union states and sales markets.
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    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 3 May 2021 17: 26
      +1
      Quote: prior
      I don’t feel sorry for suicides.
      The Ukrainians who voted for independence in 1991 and thus betrayed Russia are suicides.
      They killed themselves, well ...
      We didn’t motivate them to do this. They made their choice.
      And everything that is happening in Ukraine now is the result of their choice.

      killed by propaganda, sorry.
    4. Normal ok
      Normal ok 3 May 2021 18: 58
      +3
      I, then an officer of the 28th division, damn it was against !!! We were asked? And now ?, 30 years later, it's not for you to tell me what happened then ... And what is right now.
    5. doka
      doka 3 May 2021 21: 02
      +1
      it's not so simple, the coup took place in Moscow and not in Kiev, thanks to your Yeltsin, Judas, and the people that they told Ukraine that everyone is for himself and what to vote for,
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 May 2021 12: 24
    +12
    Fairly objective article. He himself wrote a few of these - also about graves and monuments in small towns in Ukraine and Poland.
    And the reviews were different. Some rushed to search the Internet for photos of wasted monuments (and, surprisingly, there are not so many of them), others expressed gratitude to the people who maintain order and safety.
    But the most "ideological" ones expressed the opinion that the "ultrapatriots" simply did not get to these memorials.
    And thanks to the author for the photos and descriptions.
    1. svp67
      svp67 3 May 2021 12: 37
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Fairly objective article. He himself wrote a few of these - also about graves and monuments in small towns in Ukraine and Poland.

      An interesting dispute that has passed here ...
    2. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 3 May 2021 12: 42
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But the most "ideological" expressed the opinion that they just did not get to these memorials

      As if this article did not serve as a tip for vandals.
      1. talib
        3 May 2021 16: 53
        +2
        Hello. In those places, People live in communities. Everybody knows each other. If a monument in a village or town is in good condition, then this is the materialized worldview of the inhabitants of this us. item. And they can defend their point of view, believe me. In the comments, they again try to simplify everything - by hanging labels. Sometimes the answers are so NOT obvious! Much becomes clear only after studying, albeit a superficial, history of some village. And at the same time, the neighbor may have everything completely differently.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 3 May 2021 17: 41
          0
          I plan to be in Ukraine in the summer
          In Kiev. Against the background of such articles and discussions about "de-communization" both in Ukraine and in Kiev, as a "hotbed of Nazis / fascists", I want to visit the monuments and museums dedicated to the Second World War. Maybe I'll write another article ...
          1. Flashpoint
            Flashpoint 4 May 2021 22: 36
            0
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            I plan to be in Ukraine in the summer
            In Kiev. Against the background of such articles and discussions about "de-communization" both in Ukraine and in Kiev, as a "hotbed of Nazis / fascists", I want to visit the monuments and museums dedicated to the Second World War. Maybe I'll write another article ...

            Be sure to write, we will wait.
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 3 May 2021 19: 15
          0
          Quote: talib
          Hello. In those places, People live in communities. Everybody knows each other. If a monument in a village or town is in good condition, then this is the materialized worldview of the inhabitants of this us. item. And they can defend their point of view, believe me. In the comments, they again try to simplify everything - by hanging labels. Sometimes the answers are so NOT obvious! Much becomes clear only after studying, albeit a superficial, history of some village. And at the same time, the neighbor may have everything completely differently.

          https://youtu.be/7F2IsVGjp5k[media=http://https://youtu.be/7F2IsVGjp5k]
        3. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 3 May 2021 20: 13
          +1
          Quote: talib
          In those places, People live in communities. Everybody knows each other. If a monument in a village or town is in good condition, then this is the materialized worldview of the inhabitants of this us. item.

          Yes, people are different. And it's good that they do not allow vandals (everywhere) to destroy monuments (memory). While not all are in good condition, some are unkempt.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 May 2021 13: 06
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But the most "ideological" ones expressed the opinion that the "ultrapatriots" simply did not get to these memorials.

      People should remain human and remember their history. People from rural areas have more humanity and better memories.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 3 May 2021 21: 01
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        People should remain human and remember their history

        History? History is being bullied not only in Ukraine, it is being spread rot in our country, in Russia, by the prohibition of portraits of Stalin at the processions, the prohibition of the demonstration of the red flag.
        Not as clear as non-brothers, but the trend is evident.
        1. Obliterator
          Obliterator 3 May 2021 21: 16
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          bans on portraits of Stvlin at processions, bans on the display of the red flag.

          Who specifically prohibits and in what form?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 May 2021 08: 25
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          History is being bullied not only in Ukraine, it is spreading rot in our country, in Russia, by the prohibitions of portraits of Stalin at the processions, the prohibition of the display of the red flag.

          Capitalism, Stalin and the red banner are incompatible, just like water and fire.
    4. Victorio
      Victorio 3 May 2021 14: 11
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But the most "ideological" ones expressed the opinion that the "ultrapatriots" simply did not get to these memorials.

      ===
      but can't this be? if the Nazis get there, no one and nothing will stop them. and to people who support monuments to the Great Patriotic War, honor and praise, what objections there may be.
    5. Normal ok
      Normal ok 3 May 2021 17: 30
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Fairly objective article. He himself wrote a few of these - also about graves and monuments in small towns in Ukraine and Poland.
      And the reviews were different. Some rushed to search the Internet for photos of wasted monuments (and, surprisingly, there are not so many of them), others expressed gratitude to the people who maintain order and safety.
      But the most "ideological" ones expressed the opinion that the "ultrapatriots" simply did not get to these memorials.
      And thanks to the author for the photos and descriptions.

      For stubborn ukrophobes: near Odessa (with the support of the City Council) EVERY YEAR there is a reconstruction of hostilities dedicated to the forcing of the Kuyalnitsky estuary by Soviet troops. if I can insert a video for this year [media = http: //]
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 May 2021 12: 27
    +2
    Everything was set up on the Maidan, when they rushed to lower the uk-roin into the Stone Age by the liver. And, the memory of the past is just enough to disfigure and vulgarize this past, to impose the “Velekoukroin civilization” ruling Eurasia, at least, and unable in reality to even understand that you are only a means to achieve other people's goals.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 3 May 2021 18: 37
      +1
      Everything was arranged in 1993 at the execution of the White House.
  4. knn54
    knn54 3 May 2021 12: 28
    +7
    Nature does not tolerate emptiness.
    And in their heads too, media, internet, etc.
    Regarding the RF.
    Chernomyrdin, Zurabov did NOTHING, unlike their American colleagues.
    Although no. They, on the instructions of the "Russian" oligarchs, were looking for objects (enterprises, real estate) for a profitable investment of capital.
    Where the LDNR is now ...
  5. Borz
    Borz 3 May 2021 12: 29
    -3
    Ukraine, in my opinion, will not be destroyed by the collapse of industry or the civil war in the east. And the degradation of the education system.

    Already. Already ruined. Degradation of the population, loss of reason, memory of conscience. This is no longer a country. This is a territory of dishonor, fear and madness. A territory where an elite thief from among officials of all ranks triumphs. A territory that has the attributes of a state, but never became one ...
    The forgotten graves of people who gave their lives for a peaceful future will also be forgotten
    1. talib
      3 May 2021 17: 12
      +2
      Here I am a resident of Ukraine. So this territory is called now. There used to be Little Russia. For me, as before, everything that was part of the Union is my HOMELAND. Russia, it is huge and on the outskirts of everything you can't keep track of. "The day before yesterday" it was Alaska, "yesterday" it was the Caucasus, today it is Little Russia-Ukraine. And every time something went wrong. Those living in these outskirts will automatically be classified as dishonest, scared and insane ??? I am not at all delighted with what is happening in my small homeland-Batkivshchyna. And people like me are the majority. Even among those who sincerely welcomed the "Maidan." In your judgments, you see the "shit" that floats on top. It's easier!? And after reading your comment, "nationally concerned" will poke the rest. Here, they say, look how "Muscovites" don't like us.
      1. Borz
        Borz 3 May 2021 17: 51
        +2
        So I live in the same area. The layer of "shit that floats on top" from year to year is getting thicker and thicker. And I'm talking about those who are mentioned in the article that I commented on. WESTERN UKRAINE. About those who trample in the mud the memory of the fallen. About those who dismantle monuments. I will not argue with you, sane people are still the majority. But degradants and marginals run everything
        1. talib
          3 May 2021 18: 43
          +2
          I will try to make a continuation of this topic. I will help you with the material. You will be surprised very much.
          1. Borz
            Borz 3 May 2021 19: 11
            0
            I will read it with interest. But it's hard to surprise me. Too much has changed in these 7 years.
          2. Flashpoint
            Flashpoint 4 May 2021 22: 38
            0
            Quote: talib
            я I will try to continue this topic. I will help you with the material. You will be surprised a lot.

            Be sure to do it! hi
      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 3 May 2021 18: 40
        +3
        You will raise several layers of relationships at once. And, unfortunately, mix them into a hodgepodge.
      3. Normal ok
        Normal ok 3 May 2021 21: 27
        -2
        And I'm not interested. I will say this - until 2000 we were all waiting for the reunification of the country back. Damn, then the first would go for it ... and now, in 30 years, we have built our own life. good or bad. but his own. The children have grown. Do you want them on your knee, because you suddenly remembered about greatness ?! And, if you stick your head around. then you will regret not from the fucking Bandera, but from the completely sane former Soviet.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 3 May 2021 12: 36
    +3
    Hope for historical memory, but you yourself remain human, ALWAYS!
  7. Mouse
    Mouse 3 May 2021 12: 40
    +2
    Memory is ineradicable ... the main thing is to pass it on to descendants! IMHO ....
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 May 2021 16: 13
      +2
      Quote: Mouse
      Memory is ineradicable ...

      even how it is eradicated if you set a goal for 1-3 generations and there is no history
  8. iouris
    iouris 3 May 2021 14: 25
    +1
    Bandera, whom only the grave will correct, only about 10 thousand. Their coordinates are known.
  9. IC
    IC 3 May 2021 14: 26
    +1
    The bulk of the population of Western Ukraine does not consider the arrival of the Red Army a liberation. especially since the NKVD-MGB came for the army. The loyalty of the Soviet government and the faithful of the Russian Orthodox Church evaporated in a couple of days after the collapse of the Union. They have their own mythology and their own heroes. Therefore, they are honored and monuments are erected, streets are renamed. After 14, their ideology moved to other regions of Ukraine.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 May 2021 14: 28
      +3
      Who took the liberty of speaking on behalf of the entire population of "Western Ukraine"?
      1. IC
        IC 3 May 2021 14: 33
        +1
        There is one criterion, this is the results of elections to various authorities. Who elected Ternopil authorities?
        1. iouris
          iouris 3 May 2021 16: 55
          -1
          There is no need to brainwash the results of the elections. How did people vote in these areas in 1985?
  10. Fitter65
    Fitter65 3 May 2021 15: 40
    +3
    There is a large memorial, a mass grave in which 391 people are buried. I do not write "soldiers of the Red Army."
    Why don't you write?
    And if it is important for anyone, there are plenty of Ukrainian surnames there. They died during the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazis in 1944.
    So now in Ukraine, many argue that the type of Bandera liberated Ukraine from the Nazis. Again, when did the Little Russian surnames become Ukrainian? And if we are to be more truthful, these are all Soviet People. There was one Victory, one for everyone, and not separately - for Russians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians ...
    you can be a convinced nationalist, love and honor only certain periods and figures of your state and at the same time remain a decent, civilized person.
    Is it like Dr. Mengele? Or like Nikolai Artyomovich Androshchuk, a Ukrainian collaborator who served Nazi Germany in 1941-1943. The head of the Ukrainian auxiliary police, participated in the murder of hundreds of peaceful Jewish residents. Knight of the Bronze Cross of the UPA for merit (11.10.1945). After all, both were considered, and for many they are still considered decent, civilized people ... To be honest, I did not understand what the article is about? About the fact that there are still in the dark territory, not completely destroyed monuments to the soldiers of the Red Army? Well, I think that soon the descendants of "decent and civilized people" will soon eliminate this.
    1. talib
      3 May 2021 17: 50
      +2
      Honestly, I still did not understand the article, what is it about?
      If you do not understand, then I will try to explain. Actually for this, I wrote an article. I see no reason to enter into a discussion about which is primary - a Man or a Warrior of the Red Army. For me, the Red Army soldier Makar Dmitrievich Tupchienko, who laid down his head in October 1941 near Kharkov, is first of all my Grandfather. We are all People, and from what we are - we deserve the appropriate attitude. VICTORY was indeed ONE FOR ALL. But they did not represent a victory over fascism in the same way. At the Poles, the Army of the Region and the Army of Ludov shed a fair amount of each other's blood. Each went his own way, but both fought with the Nazis. Concerning the followers of Stepan Andreevich. So they always fought against any government, long before the annexation of Western Ukraine in 1939. Or did you not know this? First, we relied on the Germans. Those "threw" them, explaining that the great Reich is not an ally, but a conqueror. When difficulties began with the "conquest" - they allowed to form the 14th SS division "Galicia" and threw them under the tanks of the 4th Guards. since my second grandfather. Only one out of ten of this division went to "rest" in Slovakia and Yugoslavia. For the third time, the Western partners "threw" Ukrainian nationalists by feeding them with promises until the beginning of the 60s, and the third world war is about to begin ... The most passionate and trusting, they believed and waited in the caches. On the "Maidan", they also threw it. This happens, unfortunately. And now a question for you - and among your friends, acquaintances, no one admired "perestroika"? Boris Yeltsin? I do not judge anyone and do not justify or forgive anyone, but trying to understand the motivation for the actions and thoughts of my nationalist opponent is a useful thing.
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 3 May 2021 19: 21
        0
        You have a very serious message to think about. Why, here for a long time, few people think. More and more slogans. ((
      2. Sarboz
        Sarboz 4 May 2021 13: 00
        0
        Quote: talib
        I do not judge anyone and do not justify or forgive anyone, but trying to understand the motivation for the actions and thoughts of my nationalist opponent is a useful thing.

        And what is the meaning of all this as long as, near Donetsk, these opponents, "followers of Stepan Andreevich", according to their motivation, beat from mortars and BM-ok on huts and 9-storey buildings?
        Well, so far the inhabitants of the villages in the West of Ukraine keep Soviet memorials to the soldiers of the Red Army, well. But it is much more important what they will do when their krovinushka receives a summons from the military registration and enlistment office and send their son to kill "Muscovites" near Donetsk. And where else can you find them, Muscovites. The question is rhetorical. My colleague in Eastern Ukraine has a son - a military pilot. He flew in the early days of the ATO near Donetsk, pinching the militias there. He was even shot down. If Dad was alive, he would not have limited himself to a "combat" officer with a belt on the ass. But the Afghan hero did not live for several months before the start of this whole tragedy. Maybe thank God that he did not see this shame.
        Therefore, I, perhaps, will support the comrade:
        Quote: Fitter65
        Honestly, I still did not understand the article, what is it about? About the fact that there are still in the dark territory, not completely destroyed monuments to the soldiers of the Red Army? Well, I think that soon the descendants of "decent and civilized people" will soon eliminate this.
      3. Fitter65
        Fitter65 4 May 2021 14: 19
        0
        Quote: talib
        If you do not understand, then I will try to explain.

        I'm afraid it won't work. Moreover, to explain about Bandera, whom you so respectfully call Stepan Andreevich, and his followers.
        Quote: talib
        I see no reason to enter into a discussion about which is primary - a Man or a Warrior of the Red Army.

        So the Man and the Warrior of the Red Army are one side, and the non-people from Nazi Germany and their allies and henchmen are completely different.
        Quote: talib
        At the Poles, the Army of the Region and the Army of Ludov shed a fair amount of each other's blood. Each went his own way, but both fought with the Nazis.

        Only one, which the AK was still at war with the civilian population and with the Red Army ... What's in the article, that in your answer everything is mixed - beer, honey, manure and bees. They also brought perestroika with Yeltsin here. If it's so interesting, then neither I nor my friends admired perestroika and Yeltsin ...
        Quote: talib
        I do not judge anyone and do not justify or forgive

        And do not take high, then, the level allows you not to forgive anyone?
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 3 May 2021 19: 37
      0
      Quote: Fitter65
      There is a large memorial, a mass grave in which 391 people are buried. I do not write "soldiers of the Red Army."
      Why don't you write?
      And if it is important for anyone, there are plenty of Ukrainian surnames there. They died during the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazis in 1944.
      So now in Ukraine, many argue that the type of Bandera liberated Ukraine from the Nazis. Again, when did the Little Russian surnames become Ukrainian? And if we are to be more truthful, these are all Soviet People. There was one Victory, one for everyone, and not separately - for Russians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians ...
      you can be a convinced nationalist, love and honor only certain periods and figures of your state and at the same time remain a decent, civilized person.
      Is it like Dr. Mengele? Or like Nikolai Artyomovich Androshchuk, a Ukrainian collaborator who served Nazi Germany in 1941-1943. The head of the Ukrainian auxiliary police, participated in the murder of hundreds of peaceful Jewish residents. Knight of the Bronze Cross of the UPA for merit (11.10.1945). After all, both were considered, and for many they are still considered decent, civilized people ... To be honest, I did not understand what the article is about? About the fact that there are still in the dark territory, not completely destroyed monuments to the soldiers of the Red Army? Well, I think that soon the descendants of "decent and civilized people" will soon eliminate this.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F2IsVGjp5k
    3. Sarboz
      Sarboz 4 May 2021 13: 17
      0
      Quote: Fitter65
      So now in Ukraine, many argue that the type of Bandera liberated Ukraine from the Nazis.

      Quote: Fitter65
      Well, I think that soon the descendants of "decent and civilized people" will soon eliminate this.

      That's all right. Eliminate. Because most of the population of Ukraine is trying to sit out on two chairs until better times, and the current government does not give them this. You need to prove your loyalty with deeds. Not just to the cry of a drunken thug on the march in the center of Kiev to answer "Glory to the heroes!"
  11. Normal ok
    Normal ok 3 May 2021 19: 02
    0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3wO13QF5C8
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 4 May 2021 14: 24
      0
      Quote: Normal ok
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3wO13QF5C8

      Reconstruction type, though when viewed somehow most of all "reenactors" in Wehrmacht uniforms flicker, well, that's what they are reenactors. It seemed like there was a march of embroidered shirts, but it was reconstructed into a march in memory of the SS. 8 points.
  12. Normal ok
    Normal ok 3 May 2021 19: 17
    0
    https://yo
    https://youtu.be/7F2IsVGjp5kutu.be/7F2IsVGjp5k
  13. Alsur
    Alsur 3 May 2021 19: 17
    +1
    Quote: Holgerton
    By your logic, Russia betrayed itself before the overwhelming majority of other republics, since the Presidium of the RSFSR was one of the first to proclaim sovereignty and independence

    That's right, the inner betrayal of the elites.
  14. Alsur
    Alsur 3 May 2021 19: 26
    +4
    Quote: talib
    Honestly, I still did not understand the article, what is it about?
    Boris Yeltsin? I do not judge anyone and do not justify or forgive anyone, but trying to understand the motivation for the actions and thoughts of my opponent, a nationalist, is a useful thing.

    I will not try to understand the Ukrainian nationalist, as well as the Russian. Those who fought in the SS division of Galicia are definitely criminals. And the veterans of the KA and the SS will never be equal.
  15. Piligrim
    Piligrim 5 May 2021 22: 16
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    Quote: Normal ok
    And, if you stick your head around. then you will regret not from the fucking Bandera, but from the completely sane former Soviet.

    Well tell me why do we get into your shit? We have enough of our own.
    In order to wash your bathroom, it is not at all necessary to call your neighbors or tell everyone about your "heroic" deed.