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Six predictions about the sixth generation fighter. Raytheon version

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One of the concepts of a promising fighter from Boeing


Several new 5th generation fighters have been developed and brought to production in the leading countries. Also, work begins on the next 6th. What the planes of the future will turn out to be is not yet clear, but various assumptions and ideas are already being expressed. So, recently the American company Raytheon Technologies Intelligence & Space disclosed its opinion on a topical issue.

From the point of view of the contractor


It is known that a promising fighter aircraft is already being developed in the United States, and this project has already reached the test of a technology demonstrator. At the same time, as far as is known, the full technical appearance of the future combat aircraft has not yet been determined, which requires new research and development work. This attracts various commercial organizations that are ready to participate in the creation of a new generation of fighters - within the framework of lucrative contracts.

One of the potential participants in new projects is Raytheon, which produces aviation equipment, weapons, etc. She does not plan to create her own aviation platforms, but is ready to help aircraft manufacturers by developing and supplying the necessary instruments and products.

A significant contribution to the overall potential of the modern 5th generation fighter is made by onboard electronics, and in the next 6th such trends will continue. This increases the role and responsibility of the equipment developer - Raytheon or other organization. Realizing this, the company is studying existing technological capabilities and looking for ways to further develop technology.


Boeing project from 2016

On April 13, Raytheon Technologies Intelligence & Space held an online conference on aviation equipment trends in the context of the next generation of fighters, Aerotech News reported. Company representatives named six main processes that they expect in the future when creating new aircraft. At the same time, we are talking only about general ideas, but not about specific platforms and samples.

Six predictions


Raytheon believes that avionics complexes will be developed for new aircraft based on multifunctional hardware, supplemented by adaptable software. As an example, a hypothetical electronic system is given that combines the functions of a radar, an electronic warfare station, and communications equipment. This architecture of avionics will change the basic approaches to the use of instrumentation: individual devices will be replaced by corresponding software modules.

The second forecast calls for the combat aircraft to become a "flying data center." The fighter will receive a set of high-performance computing facilities, incl. with artificial intelligence. This will speed up and make data processing more efficient, and avionics will help the pilot make the right decisions in an environment of any complexity.

The third trend is the creation of combined manned-unmanned teams (MUM-T). The 6th generation fighter will be controlled by a pilot, with the participation of its own artificial intelligence. AI drones will work together with him, carrying out the commands of the presenter. The development of AI will make it possible to increase the independence of the slave UAVs.


Lockheed Martin offer

Raytheon expects next generation fighters to self-land on an aircraft carrier. The necessary technologies already exist, and in the future it is planned to improve them and introduce them into new projects of manned and unmanned aircraft. In particular, the company is working on the issues of increasing the accuracy of the aircraft in the landing zone. At the same time, it is noted that automatic landing will be useful not only for military aircraft.

The fifth forecast concerns development methods and tools. Digital engineering will change the process of designing hardware and creating software. Along with other things, new approaches will simplify project cost estimation and control over expenses. The American industry has had a negative experience of uncontrolled growth in program costs, and it is necessary to prevent similar situations in the future.

The sixth prediction concerns the further development of the ideas of the open architecture of avionics. Already, aircraft instruments use unified interfaces to simplify repairs or upgrades. These principles should be developed with obtaining modular capabilities. The fighter will be able to replace the equipment, taking into account the assigned tasks - almost on the runway.

Other considerations


Also, Raytheon Technologies Intelligence & Space is considering other issues related to the development, production and operation of promising technology. Not only technical and economic, but also organizational aspects are taken into account. So, work on a new generation of fighters will be carried out in the interests of the Air Force and the Navy, and it must be borne in mind that the requirements of these customers are different. Fulfillment of two different technical assignments should not lead to unjustified complications of the programs.


Another FX variant from Lockheed Martin

It is noted that in previous projects and generations, great attention was paid to cost. Due to new methods and technologies, it is proposed to optimize such indicators of technology. In particular, it is possible to create a platform aircraft, which will be completed with one or another instrument at the request of the customer. This will reduce the cost of the serial machine and make it available to a wider range of customers.

The issue of the ability to conduct close air combat remains relevant. Discussions are ongoing, but Rateon is leaning towards the need to provide such opportunities. The emergence of artificial intelligence will lead to new challenges and potential difficulties. It is necessary to ensure the full and safe operation of an AI fighter in the same airspace as civilian transport. At the same time, the AI ​​must be able to fight.

Projects and technologies


The theme of the next 6th generation fighter has been under development in the United States since the end of the XNUMXs. The first project of this kind was launched at the initiative of the Navy; and a few years later, similar work began in the interests of the Air Force. By the mid-tenths, a certain amount of data was collected, on the basis of which it was later supposed to develop a real project. During this period, all major aircraft manufacturers proposed their concepts for the future fighter. Recently, a similar "project" was shown to the BBC.


Newest known concept published by the US Air Force

Last year, it was reported that flight tests of the technology demonstrator aircraft were carried out. At the same time, the developer of such a machine, its appearance, characteristics and capabilities were not revealed. According to recent reports, it is planned to build and test a full-fledged prototype in the coming years, and in the second half of the decade they will launch a series. Design has been accelerated through new approaches and techniques.

Whether Raytheon is involved in the creation of a new fighter is unknown. Regardless of the actual participation, it works out the issues of the development of technology and its individual components, as a result of which forecasts and estimates appear. With their help, the company can draw up the necessary plans and join an existing or future development program for a real aircraft.

The announced "predictions" look sound and plausible. They take into account the capabilities and achievements of American industry, as well as trends in the development of modern projects. However, in view of the general secrecy of the directions, it is still impossible to say how much they correspond to the real plans of the Pentagon. Conclusions of this kind can only be drawn in a few years, when program participants publish their first details.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 May 2021 04: 52
    +16
    Kirill, what is your article about? In addition to beautiful drawings, water pushing in a mortar! You would at least have laid out in the article for a variety of options for the concept and characteristics, expected, of course, the notorious 6th generation of combat aircraft. ..
    1. lwxx
      lwxx 6 May 2021 06: 28
      +7
      Quote: Thrifty
      Kirill, what is your article about? In addition to beautiful drawings, pushing water in a mortar! ..
      Very much like the articles about our aircraft carriers. Also, only drawings and layouts ...
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 18 June 2021 13: 48
        0
        articles about our aircraft carriers

        Ours write about the ships practically plying the seas, while showing the layouts, and the article is only about the emerging requirements of the 6th generation aircraft.
    2. psiho117
      psiho117 6 May 2021 10: 43
      +6
      Quote: Thrifty
      Kirill, what is your article about? In addition to beautiful drawings, water pushing in a mortar!

      The article is about the view of the Raytheon company on some characteristics and approaches to the design of a hypothetical 6th generation flying machine.
      Would you even have laid out in the article for a variety of options for the concept and characteristics

      The article is not about that. Ryabov already loves to "get lost in thought", if he also hits the overview of concepts, then this nickname will not fit into the framework of one article ...

      Between the read - the Raiton company, a very important question for Western design was raised:
      The American industry has a negative experience of uncontrolled growth in program costs, and it is necessary to prevent similar situations in the future.
      Recently on VO there was just an article on this topic - that the set of software tools used in design not only does not reduce the cost of development, but also raises the price to sky-high heights.
      Already, even the American budget, which is over-inflated, is beginning to be insufficient for this ...
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 6 May 2021 14: 04
        +6
        Quote: psiho117
        Recently on VO there was just an article on this topic - that the set of software tools used in design not only does not reduce the cost of development, but also raises the price to sky-high heights.

        here it is not about programs, but about how the cost is calculated, in most cases there is a substitution of the concepts "cost of R&D", "cost of implementation" and "cost of operation", etc.
        It's as if the cost of their educational institutions, starting from kindergarten, is invested in the salary of a driver / builder / welder. In the case of people, it sounds crazy, but in the case of software, it rolls ...
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 6 May 2021 04: 55
    0
    The dough is sawing that ours never dreamed of smile
  3. Konnick
    Konnick 6 May 2021 05: 37
    +7
    And what will the fighters be?
    Or just a multifunctional carrier, depending on the weapons used, capable of performing various tasks. A carrier that allows you to increase the range and effectiveness of various types of weapons for the destruction of air or ground targets, and also partially perform the functions of a long-range radar detection system or a stealth reconnaissance system. Three in one - the main thing is to fly fast with the right load.
    1. t-12
      t-12 6 May 2021 06: 16
      -2
      The fighter must be nimble and inconspicuous. The AWACS aircraft must be long-flying, fuel-efficient. The attack aircraft must be protected, armored. These are three different planes.

      And "multifunctionality" is the lot of the "middle peasant", who cannot do a single job well.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 6 May 2021 06: 21
        +9
        The attack aircraft must be protected, armored

        And shoot a machine gun at low level ...
        Here is an article about the future, not historical miniatures. Should the sword be long or short?
      2. Artemion3
        Artemion3 6 May 2021 08: 44
        +3
        Using the F-18 fighter-bomber as an example, after dropping bombs it can fight a fighter
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 6 May 2021 09: 39
          +1
          Quote: Artemion3
          Using the F-18 fighter-bomber as an example, after dropping bombs it can fight a fighter

          This, at the very least, even the I-15 could. And the FW190, I don’t remember which letter index was in flight, was sharpened for this, but, moreover, it was a so-so fighter, compared to another FW190, again I don’t remember which index, which is a pure fighter.
          1. Artemion3
            Artemion3 6 May 2021 09: 46
            0
            I replied to the comment that now we need only a fighter or only a bomber. Even the f-35, released to replace the multifunctional f-16, was designed as a fighter-bomber.
      3. psiho117
        psiho117 6 May 2021 11: 00
        +5
        Quote: t-12
        The fighter must be nimble and inconspicuous. The AWACS aircraft must be long-flying, fuel-efficient. The attack aircraft must be protected, armored. These are three different planes.

        The stormtroopers died out.
        The fighters are about to die out too.
        The future belongs to the multifunctional platform (which, by habit, will continue to be called "fighter"), which can do everything - you just need to change the set of weapons and change the onboard container with avionics (the electronics that are now in the suspended containers).
        With the development and miniaturization of on-board electronic systems, the AWACS aircraft can also delegate some of its functions to a fighter - as happened with electronic warfare aircraft.
        Now, the functions of "Growler" can be performed by an ordinary hanging container.
        The same will be the case for AWACS - especially against the background of what characteristics the promising radar systems will have, which will be able to simultaneously perform the functions of both a multi-band radar and electronic warfare / electronic warfare.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 6 May 2021 19: 11
          0
          Quote: psiho117
          The stormtroopers died out.

          Su-25 Rook and A-10 Warthog disagree.
        2. Usher
          Usher 8 May 2021 01: 53
          -1
          Quote: psiho117
          Quote: t-12
          The fighter must be nimble and inconspicuous. The AWACS aircraft must be long-flying, fuel-efficient. The attack aircraft must be protected, armored. These are three different planes.

          The stormtroopers died out.
          The fighters are about to die out too.
          The future belongs to the multifunctional platform (which, by habit, will continue to be called "fighter"), which can do everything - you just need to change the set of weapons and change the onboard container with avionics (the electronics that are now in the suspended containers).
          With the development and miniaturization of on-board electronic systems, the AWACS aircraft can also delegate some of its functions to a fighter - as happened with electronic warfare aircraft.
          Now, the functions of "Growler" can be performed by an ordinary hanging container.
          The same will be the case for AWACS - especially against the background of what characteristics the promising radar systems will have, which will be able to simultaneously perform the functions of both a multi-band radar and electronic warfare / electronic warfare.

          What is this nonsense? With what fright the stormtroopers became extinct, they will never die out. An attack aircraft is the quintessence of a combat aircraft (air attack).
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 6 May 2021 08: 52
      0
      The era of the UAV is coming. A manned fighter has no chance of defeating an unmanned fighter in close air combat. Hence the requirements for the 6th generation. It should be even less noticeable, more computing power, more advanced reconnaissance systems, detection, quasi AI on board, etc.
      1. Snusmumrik
        Snusmumrik 7 May 2021 10: 05
        +1
        A manned fighter has no chance of defeating an unmanned fighter in close air combat.

        Ummm ... I'm not a professional, of course, but can you confirm this thesis with specific examples?
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 8 May 2021 19: 22
          -1
          Quote: Snusmumrik
          I'm not a professional, of course, but can you confirm this thesis with specific examples?

          Overload however ...
          Living flesh will never come close to the stability of the mechanism, may the Omnissiah bless him bully
          Where a living pilot has long been knocked out of an overload, the robot will spin at supercritical angles, breaking off any grip, and going into the tail of the enemy.
          But this is if you immediately close combat - and you still need to reach it ...
          For some reason, it seems to me that first the RDDs will be exchanged, then the middle one, then it will come to the RBD / interceptors, and from a kilometer or two it is already possible to dazzle with a laser in the face.
          If, after such an exchange, the enemy is still not hit, and only cannon armament remains, then yes, the robot, with a high probability, will defeat the person.
      2. Usher
        Usher 8 May 2021 01: 54
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        The era of the UAV is coming. A manned fighter has no chance of defeating an unmanned fighter in close air combat. Hence the requirements for the 6th generation. It should be even less noticeable, more computing power, more advanced reconnaissance systems, detection, quasi AI on board, etc.

        Why? Even AI was not invented, but you came up with such predictions.
  4. Cowbra
    Cowbra 6 May 2021 06: 33
    -7
    This architecture of avionics will change the basic approaches to the use of instrumentation: individual devices will be replaced by corresponding software modules.

    Understood nothing. The device is one, but depending on the software, it works either on electronic warfare, or as a radar? !!! And to switch, you need to rearrange the software on the ground? !!! It's like your phone - it can shine with a flashlight, it can play music, but in order to switch from one to the other, you need to go to the service center, otherwise the software does not fit on both at once? laughing
    Either the translation is clumsy, or the Americans have become completely stupid. And the second is very likely - there, for example, paragraph 6 is the optimization that Boeing's Dreamliner ditched and it is precisely because of which the F-35 uncontrollably and rose in price, and with spare parts karachun. So it’s quite in the spirit of Raytheon - don’t care that we know it will be more expensive, let’s tell everyone that it’s an innovation. Then we'll push it to Israel
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 6 May 2021 07: 12
      +3
      Quote: Cowbra
      Then we'll push it to Israel

      And the Jews are bad - they use these worthless F-35s to the fullest, and still order. And the F-16s are being written off.
      And Boeing 787s continue to be produced. But Airbus announced the termination of production of the 380. And why?
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      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 6 May 2021 07: 16
        -5
        It would be better sold to the Kiev regime for spare parts.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 6 May 2021 07: 18
          -2
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          It would be better sold to the Kiev regime for spare parts.

          So, Pan ataman in Kyev has no gold reserves.
      3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 6 May 2021 09: 24
        +3
        Quote: Nagan
        And Boeing 787s continue to be produced. But Airbus announced the termination of production of the 380. And why?

        Because these are different planes.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 6 May 2021 09: 40
          +1
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Because these are different planes.

          Or maybe because the market has shown which aircraft are more profitable to operate?
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 6 May 2021 09: 56
            +2
            Quote: Nagan
            the market showed

            That in four-engine aircraft does not need the same as in air hubs.
      4. paul3390
        paul3390 6 May 2021 14: 43
        +2
        And the Jews are bad - they use these worthless F-35s to the fullest, and still order. And the F-16s are being written off.

        Apparently - the Israelis do not predict in the near future a head-on collision with an enemy with comparable air forces and air defense .. Consequently, there will be no air battles, as well as the need to iron the front line. Indeed, Syria is out of the game for a long time, Egypt and Turkey seem to be not enemies to Israel. The Saudis even more so. There is no one else there who is serious. But let's say against Iran - the penguin is really much better than the F-16. The air defense is focal, the aviation is outdated, there is no one to fight in the air and on the ground. But sneaking around, throwing something banging from afar and just as quietly rushing away - here the F-35 should be just at its best ..

        If the situation was similar to the 60-70s, when Israel was opposed by countries with solid tank formations, aviation and air defense - I don't think they would be in such a hurry to replace them.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 6 May 2021 15: 33
          0
          Quote: paul3390
          Egypt and Turkey seem to be not enemies of Israel.
          Didn't they spit back with Turkey?
      5. bk0010
        bk0010 6 May 2021 15: 32
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        But Airbus announced the termination of production of the 380. And why?
        The market was saturated. The 380 was built to work between big hubs (like Abu Dhabi, for example), there aren't many of them.
    2. psiho117
      psiho117 6 May 2021 11: 08
      +3
      Quote: Cowbra
      Understood nothing. There is only one device, but depending on the software, it works either on electronic warfare or as a radar? !!! ... It's like your phone - it can shine with a flashlight, it can play music, but in order to switch from one to the other, you need to go to the service center, otherwise the software does not fit on both at once?

      Obviously you don't have an iPhone ... wassat
      Unfortunately, this is exactly how it is, in the conditions of modern "wild capitalism".
      The Air Force will buy special removable "flash drives" with software from the manufacturer, supplied one - a fighter, another - an interceptor, and the third - a bomber. They will also buy a subscription, or pay for each use ...
      The future is cyberpunk hi
      1. bk316
        bk316 7 May 2021 12: 03
        0
        The future is cyberpunk

        Brilliant!
        You fly like this on a combat mission.
        And then you hear a gentle female voice. Your license ends, please renew your subscription. We are forced to disable some minor options: weapon control, radar and catapult.
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 8 May 2021 19: 26
          +1
          Quote: bk316
          Your license expires, please renew your subscription. We are forced to disable some minor options: weapon control, radar and catapult.

          No, no, no, no need for a catapult wassat
          On the contrary - the pilot nafig out of the plane, and return to the base to the manufacturer.
          How to renew the license - you are welcome love
    3. Flanker692
      Flanker692 9 August 2021 19: 36
      0
      Presentations of AN / APG-81 - the F-35 radar - went to the second dozen. Through MADL (next-generation secure data transmission network), aircraft distribute targets among themselves for suppression by their own radars. More precisely, a part of the AFAR transceivers is allocated for this (here's one of the advantages of an active phased array). And these same targets in the passive mode are detected by the local SPO - AN / ASQ-239, by the way, produced by BAE. The trick is that it not only detects the direction and type of radiation, but also using the triangulation of the signal (via MADL) with other flying nearby F-35 calculates the coordinates of the radiation, then this area is reconnoitered using the synthesized aperture of the radar (or maybe not, if close enough, it is quite possible to imagine) and the output is the exact coordinates for striking with their own forces. And there we are talking about an open architecture: uploaded a new firmware and without any cumbersome suspension of electronic warfare stations you are already with new algorithms for the system. For example, if you need to train the system to recognize a new air defense system, an update is simply downloaded.
  5. Cowbra
    Cowbra 6 May 2021 07: 12
    -1
    By the way, even on the Wishlist Raytheon.
    Experts found that four programs exceeded federal funding under the Nann-McCurdy Amendment, which could lead to their closure: Joint Precision Approach and Landing System (JPALS)

    This is 2014.
    Raytheon expects next generation fighters to self-land on an aircraft carrier. The necessary technologies already exist, and in the future it is planned to improve them and introduce them into new projects of manned and unmanned aircraft. In particular, the company is working on the issues of increasing the accuracy of the aircraft in the landing zone. At the same time, it is noted that automatic landing will be useful not only for military aircraft.

    And this is 2021 laughing
    What a stupid and impudent chainsaw ... No, it's only good for the States.
    1. Flanker692
      Flanker692 9 August 2021 20: 03
      0
      Well, the pilot involved in bringing the F-35 to combat readiness said in an interview that the F-35B and F-35C have an automatic return system to an aircraft carrier, including landing. There they talked about the combat radius and he mentioned that the combat radius of the F-35 is higher than that of the FA-18, not only thanks to stupid tanks, but also to the landing system, which reliably lands the aircraft on the aircraft carrier from the first time, thanks to which they reduced the minimum balance and more slightly increased the range.
  6. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 6 May 2021 08: 53
    -6
    Empty chatter. If RAFAR immediately changes its shape, STELS will go to the trash heap. And everything else is available now.
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 6 May 2021 11: 16
      +5
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      If RAFAR immediately changes its shape, STELS will go to the trash heap

      Why's that? Will RAFAR suddenly cancel physics? Or is it not radiating radio waves?
      Stealth concepts have been talking about death for many years, but come on, it blooms and smells.
      And even the most stubborn rams in our MO, finally, too, understood the benefits and prospects of this concept: all modern military systems - aircraft, ships, armored vehicles, weapons systems for them - everything, literally, is developed taking into account the requirements for stealth.
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 6 May 2021 18: 41
        -2
        Believe it or not, photons do not belong to radio waves and do not care about any coverage. It is ROFAR that is the real death of STELS, since photons cannot be swallowed, although the electronic warfare will be bent the same way.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 7 May 2021 13: 21
          0
          but photons do not belong to radio waves and they do not care about any coating.
          hmm, a quantum of electromagnetic interaction, has dualism, like a massless particle, it can also be a wave in different ranges of the electromagnetic spectrum ... winked Well, yes ... don't give a damn about any coverage, but dear - this is a very chaotic and bold statement, for radio physics and photonics !?
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 7 May 2021 22: 40
          +2
          "since photons cannot be absorbed" ///
          ---
          Here are those hello! belay
          Photons are just amazingly absorbed by any surface,
          heating it up, turning it into warmth.
          Have you ever been heated by sunlight? wink
          The shorter the radio wavelength, the easier it is to absorb.
          Hello to "photonic" ROFAR from stealth.
          But the ROFAR radar does not emit photons.
          And ultra-short radio waves. Quickly decaying and easily absorbed.
          And either lasers or lidars deal with photons.
          But each of these devices has its own limitations, of course.
          Therefore, for stealth aircraft, they pose a great danger
          meter-long radars - you can't absorb them.
          1. Flanker692
            Flanker692 9 August 2021 21: 02
            +1
            Let me add only that those who think that our old Soviet VHF systems will handle stealth just fine shouldn't be encouraging. This is wrong. Radars of the meter range, operating both in azimuth and in height, and even more so, altimeters of the meter range, as far as I understand before the advent of PAR, did not exist. And it was impossible to use weapons for such exposure. You can only send fighters to the area, which also obviously have a non-meter radar range on board. Nowadays, modern mobile HEADLIGHTS of the meter range are being produced, for example, Sky-M. But this is not an air defense system, but a radio reconnaissance complex, because such a system will still remain with too large an error and too large dimensions due to the selected range
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 7 May 2021 13: 25
        0
        RAFAR will suddenly abolish physics
        Well, if with gzhel patterns and living water after assembly at the factory, then he plows against the laws of physical existence ... laughing in the version - a dark spiritual artifact of Chaos and Heresy !? yes
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 7 May 2021 16: 12
          0
          An amateur comedian who understands nothing about photons and the advantages of their use. I advise you to read the literature about ROFAR, no technology allows you to either jam or cover it with a cover. But you can joke even more. Well, and about the fact that everything revolves around stealth, did you get it out of your head?
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 7 May 2021 16: 22
            0
            An amateur comedian who understands nothing about photons and the advantages of their use.
            Hmm, they haven't called me that for a long time, well .., another amateur storyteller with a superficial erudition in physics appeared on my way !? laughing You are just a mantra, you sing about ROFAR, at least you have information about this issue, or at least looked at WiKi ???
            But you can joke even more. Well, and about the fact that everything revolves around stealth, did you get it out of your head?
            And who will forbid me to joke or will at the same time achieve efficiency, its own ban !?
            And you wrote your thoughts above, by chance not out of your head? If not, then alas ... laughing wink
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 7 May 2021 14: 53
      0
      If there is RAFAR, the form will change immediately
      directly cancel all profiles of TsAGI and NASA, because of one technology of this (ROFAR) !? They will forget about aerodynamics and other gas dynamics, plus radiophysics there too ... No. , fortunately, not a single one around ROFAR, everything in the area: low visibility, revolves!
  7. Esaul
    Esaul 6 May 2021 09: 36
    0
    I should have asked the Indians, they have already made their own 6th generation plane.
    In the 6th generation fighter, the most important thing will be AI, as well as the emergence of new integrative qualities by improving the interaction of different aircraft systems.
  8. pytar
    pytar 6 May 2021 10: 43
    +4
    The United States remains the undisputed technology leader. The distance between laggards and leaders is increasing ...
    1. dauria
      dauria 6 May 2021 12: 25
      +2
      USA remains the undisputed technology leader


      And the most powerful computer in the world is in China. This is in addition to a few more "fundamental things". Particle accelerators, quantum electronics, medicine ... And they only tied their laces ... And soon they will run.
      As for the plane - what has changed and will affect the appearance? The engine remained as a turbojet engine. Perhaps there will be a variable bypass ratio for pre- and supersonic flight. Drives - as was the hydraulics, and remains. Only the hydroelectric power stations became miniature and in place of the rudders (F-35). The glider materials are no innovations. Steel, duralumin, carbon fiber. They talk about smart cladding that measures everything from pressure, temperature and radiation. But to it, like walking to Mars, both in price and in technology. Small RCS will remain - the main type of information acquisition remains the radar range.
      In a word, out of everything, only the "central nervous system" - electronics has stepped forward. She changed missiles and awareness and tactics. It seems to be. But what will happen in reality? In the Falklands, the Argentines on the A-4 skyhawks used a topmast
      bombing of the second world. And they planted more than a dozen ancient bombs on ships with air defense missiles and radars. Yes, they did not explode, pierced both sides or got stuck. They were retrieved by English sappers. But the fact is the fact - the air defense of the ships was powerless and only anti-aircraft rapid-fire rifles remained.
      So only "spring will show who is where." Until the pilot is removed. And the cast-iron uncontrollable fugasks will remain. There are a bunch of areal targets like Mosul. Where you need to gouge everything suitable for defense.
      1. pytar
        pytar 6 May 2021 12: 57
        +3
        So far, the US remains the leader, truly and comprehensively. China is catching up at a fast pace. It is not known whether it will catch up, in what it will take the championship. The fact is that the competition among the advanced countries is intensifying. The rest are lagging more and more behind.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 May 2021 19: 57
        0
        "And the cast-iron uncontrollable fugasks will remain" ////
        ---
        Who?
        The United States no longer has them, Israel does not. Not in any warehouses.

        "But the fact is the fact - the air defense of the ships was powerless and there were only anti-aircraft rapid firearms." ////
        ----
        This is a fact of a fact ... but the 70s of the last century. smile
      3. Intruder
        Intruder 7 May 2021 13: 03
        0
        Particle accelerators
        They forgot to add about the Chinese tokamak for studying the technologies of confinement of "hot" plasma in the thermonuclear process and last year them, only the Koreans were able to overtake a small gap! wink "And we still have gas in our apartment" !? laughing
        Possibly there will be a variable bypass ratio for pre- and supersonic flight
        Maybe a fuel gaseous medium, instead of liquid aviation kerosene, here liquid-propellant rocket engines switched to methane in development and testing in China and the USA, the other day the Raptors showed themselves excellently on a soft landing ... at Musk!
        Drives - as was the hydraulics, and remains. Only hydroelectric power stations became miniature and in place of rudders (F-35)
        Not everywhere, now there are electric servos, even power ones ... which is sometimes more convenient in some applications.
        So only "spring will show who was where." Until the pilot is removed. And the cast-iron uncontrollable fugasks will remain.
        A pilot is more dear, precisely as a carrier, of his biological computer and grows from birth at the age of 18-19, which for electronics and computer science has been applied for several eras ... therefore, he is now the most unreliable link, and even more so has the property of an ineradicable "human factor"! request Plus, he does not like constant physical and emotional stress, which in a combat situation can affect - easily and simply, he eats biological raw materials and needs a lot of rest!
        And "cast iron blanks" are the lot of the very poor, with lagging microelectronics and the lack of developers inside the country, to create competitive types of high-precision weapons (even put on an area: 100-200 ammunition, or all the same: 20-30 accurate, with individual target designation and aiming at different targets, with dynamic selection of priority targets in real time ...), it's like this: "we are blind from what was ..."!

        1. dauria
          dauria 7 May 2021 13: 42
          +1
          with individual target designation and guidance to different targets, with dynamic selection of priority targets in real time ..


          You are an idealist. There are tasks when no one will "tell" you what the priority is. Neither a frontline gunner nor clever vision. He can talk to the swearing mates when he is pinned to the ground. And then you will remember that at first you had to stuff every square meter of buildings, trenches with iron and explosives and just throw lighters and rockets with and without slowing down. Otherwise, everything would have been written off long ago, and artillery, and MLRS, and "pigs".
          And for the sake of the same "logistics" (an idiotic word, supply is more precise) it is much more profitable for the GOS of a corrected bomb to release, store and deliver separately from the iron pot itself. And then screw in instead of the fuse, if you need "accuracy"
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 7 May 2021 13: 53
            0
            You are an idealist
            Somewhere, deep - rather under the left hemisphere of the cortex, perhaps so! yes
            There are tasks when no one will "tell" you what the priority is. Neither a frontline gunner nor clever vision. He can talk to the swearing mates when he is pinned to the ground. And then you will remember that at first you had to stuff every square meter of buildings, trenches with iron and explosives and just throw lighters and rockets with and without slowing down. Otherwise, everything would have been written off long ago, and artillery, and MLRS, and "pigs".
            Well, now artillery and MLRS shells are also, all modern ones are displayed on high-precision guidance characteristics with correction, and some manufacturers, even GOS, are put in active-reactive versions !?
            And for the sake of the same "logistics" (an idiotic word, supply is more precise) it is much more profitable for the GOS of a corrected bomb to release, store and deliver separately from the iron pot itself. And then screw in instead of the fuse, if you need "accuracy"
            This is a good option for using the accumulated stocks in case of global conflicts, in which the shelf life has approached, so they go because of the laws of this very "logistics", based on the economy in their country and not only, for similar options for expanding combat characteristics, especially in versions that are already that ..., but there are a lot of them in numerical terms and it is even possible to sell on the world market, who do not have these reserves and did not have for economic reasons again ...
            1. dauria
              dauria 7 May 2021 14: 33
              +1
              This is a good use case for accumulated stocks.

              Not only accumulated. New ones should be made according to this "modular" principle. GOS, rudder drive, rudders themselves, power source, fuse - in the form of a roll-up head. You just haven't seen how bombs are transported, stored, pulled along the sides and suspended (massively, in a minimum of time). Heaps, in a bombotar and without, kicks and crowbars ... No one will make them anything other than premises - there will be no canopy from rain and snow. And from the railway carriage to the truck they will not be transferred like babies.
              That's even just why the "heads" should be of minimum weight, size, and "coddled" separately.
              1. Seld
                Seld 18 July 2021 09: 37
                0
                Do you know what is the worst thing at a military airfield? 8-))) and so I agree with you!
      4. Flanker692
        Flanker692 9 August 2021 21: 42
        +1
        small info on engines: General Electric, while we and the Chinese with our "second stages by 2025", will bring its three-circuit engine to this date - 22,5 thousand kgf and reduced consumption. They are already playing videos with advertising, they are all great and that the engine is almost ready, you can put it on the F-35, just buy it. Perhaps this very engine is planned for the new "conqueror of air supremacy" NGAD.
    2. bk316
      bk316 7 May 2021 11: 58
      +1
      The United States remains the undisputed technology leader.

      If we talk about computing, then no longer.
      China head to head.
      If about nuclear and, in the future, thermonuclear energy, then they are not the leaders at all.
    3. Usher
      Usher 8 May 2021 02: 01
      +1
      Quote: pytar
      The United States remains the undisputed technology leader. The distance between laggards and leaders is increasing ...

      What kind of dream is this? Can I be specific?
  9. evgen1221
    evgen1221 6 May 2021 13: 44
    +2
    In the end, they will come to the carcass of an arsenal plane with a bunch of different missiles on board. Because they have not been knocking each other down with a machine gun for a long time.
  10. Tektor
    Tektor 6 May 2021 14: 11
    +1
    I would single out as a key feature of the next generation fighter a powerful airborne defense system that could neutralize all existing threats. Invulnerability. This implies the presence of a new generation electronic warfare station in combination with the ability to initiate self-detonation of ammunition flying into the coverage area of ​​the defense complex under the influence of a powerful directional electromagnetic or laser pulse.
  11. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 6 May 2021 14: 41
    0
    The main thing is that ours are not far behind in this race. It's time to also announce the development on a good basis.
  12. dgonni
    dgonni 6 May 2021 14: 57
    -1
    Handsomely! Especially considering that our 57th is not yet in the series.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 6 May 2021 16: 24
      0
      And here you are wrong - there is a serial order and is already being carried out. You can find it in open sources.
  13. Turist1996
    Turist1996 6 May 2021 16: 22
    0
    Well, the "breaking of copies" began - how many people, so many opinions.
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 6 May 2021 19: 54
    0
    Nothing sensational. Somehow their fantasy is not visible.
    Most of what was listed has already been embodied in the F-35.
    For example:
    "... an electronic system that combines the functions of a radar, an electronic warfare station
    and communications "
    Of course, you can endlessly improve and improve.
  15. certero
    certero 6 May 2021 19: 57
    -1
    All subsequent generations of fighters must be completely unmanned.
  16. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 6 May 2021 22: 26
    0
    This is the situation with this 6th generation fighter - no one knows what it should be.
    In fact, whoever is the first to declare what he created will set the standard.
    And we may well become this "someone".
    Moreover, for the first time in history, we have obtained technological superiority over mattress in the field of radar (thanks to the development of ROFAR) and, at least, are not inferior in terms of drones.
    1. Flanker692
      Flanker692 9 August 2021 21: 53
      0
      ROFAR announced on Su-57 or Su-75? if they talk about artificial intelligence, about the possibility of becoming unmanned, or generally about controlling a swarm of a drone and other wet stories, then why not fantasize about ROFAR? The reality is that it is not so easy to apply such technology for military purposes, there are nuances. It's like a lecture from Ufimtsev that in order to detect invisibility, you just need to place radars everywhere, which will receive radio waves reflected to the sides of the F-117. This story was immediately picked up by journalists (it was in the 90s): all stealth is useless, Dad created the technology, he also ruined it. But as we know, they did nothing of the kind, because there are nuances.
  17. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 6 May 2021 23: 00
    0
    Well, it's curious how the 6th generation concept evolves in the future. So far, it seems to me a bit early they "give birth", here it would be necessary to hone 5+, wait for more or less specifics from competitors (China, Russia, European and Asian attempts in the field of the 5th generation) - and already start from something more weighty than water.
    Now there will be progress in LO and all these super-absorbing expensive cars can be very sad, along with all their plans for the 6th generation.
    1. VO3A
      VO3A 16 May 2021 02: 17
      0
      Well, it's curious how the concept of the 6th generation evolves in the future.

      I want to upset you: there is no complete concept of the 5th generation aircraft! Until they figure it out, there is no need to talk about the 6th.
      There are two approaches to determining the 5th generation s-ta:
      He is better than the 4th, significantly outperforming him in battle ..
      The second approach is associated with the use of new information technologies and new methods of war in the form of new advanced systems, which include a 5th generation unit as the main element ...
      In my opinion, it is the last approach that makes it possible to substantiate all the existing requirements for the 5th generation ... and more ...
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 7 May 2021 07: 53
    0
    Six predictions about the sixth generation fighter. Raytheon version
    It is clear that aviation technology will develop, like everything else.
    Serious striking force if not opposed by effective countermeasures.
  19. Intruder
    Intruder 7 May 2021 13: 00
    0
    Raytheon
    - this is not quite, if we are to write in Russian:
    Raytheon
    , when pronouncing - there is generally the last sound, like: "o" - is absent, and the ending: "ten"! The author of the article, meaning to translate and write in Russian then .., the name of the organization, which is already written in Latin above !?
  20. Alexey Zigalov
    Alexey Zigalov 7 May 2021 22: 11
    0
    Kirill more thanks for the article and the topic of conversation. The result you have achieved. Colleagues have become very frenzied. Especially for you and the colonel, who are writing to the generals. L.A. has been flying in automatic mode for 40 years. The question is what L.A. needed for $ 100 million or for $ 5 million ???? Further, the flight itself is not artificial intelligence. But to understand and correctly set the task of creating a new avionics system based on the deterministic and emergent conduct of L.A. here in twenty years, but China is already doing. !!!!!!!!!
  21. nikolai55soot
    nikolai55soot 15 May 2021 18: 52
    0
    Russia must have: an aircraft carrier from TTS (heavy transport aircraft) Il; Tu; An; or equivalent; after takeoff from the airfield, a couple, a flight, a TTS regiment dock as the ISS (international space station) and accept any type of aviation: serve, refuel, hang weapons, give rest to the crew and send them into battle.
  22. Ilya Aksyonov
    Ilya Aksyonov 17 May 2021 10: 14
    0
    Airplanes of the future will have the ability to take off and land vertically using a screen effect. And they will fly in a cloud of plasma, so that streamlined aerodynamic forms will be unnecessary to them. Such aircraft will have a wide range of movement, from near space, to flights at the level of house roofs.
    Hanging on the spot and turning will be their hallmark in the storming of any objects, together with acceleration to hypersonic speeds in the plasma cloud from the spot.
    Interestingly, in horizontal flight they will be able to change altitude almost vertically, without a gentle descent and ascent.
    This will allow a new wing design, which will have a completely different flight control concept. So, in particular, on it front and back there will be nozzles of the detonation engine, plasma generator, which will allow you to rise and fall vertically, without shifting horizontally.

    1. shinobi
      shinobi 11 July 2021 12: 43
      -1
      Based on your drawings, the shape of the apparatus will be rather disk-shaped or deltoid with a full-profile bearing surface such as a flying wing. The laws of physics are still the same for everything.
      1. Ilya Aksyonov
        Ilya Aksyonov 20 July 2021 11: 39
        0
        It doesn't come from my concepts. Form is a consequence of the aircraft function And for an aircraft that will fly in a cloud of plasma, the shape does not matter, since it does not need the streamlined shapes inherent in conventional aircraft. Such an aircraft may even look like a chest. So that you think in yesterday's categories.
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 21 July 2021 10: 05
          -1
          Have you read science fiction? The laws of motion of solids through liquids and gases are unchanged. What you are writing about, as an option, was applied in the Shkval apparatus. And the rocket-torpedo is a squall of a classic oblique form. Plasma, only ionized gas and its dynamics are described the same formulas that are more than a hundred years old. What you read is speculation on the topic of gas-plasma caverns to reduce frontal drag, lubrication in Russian, moving objects with a higher density than the environment. Research is 70-80 years old and since then the physics of the world has not changed one iota.
          1. Ilya Aksyonov
            Ilya Aksyonov 22 July 2021 09: 31
            -1
            That's right! What I am writing about here is what I am writing about here, and not what you are inventing and grimacing! Lubrication, it is also lubricant in the atmosphere! What is the problem?
            1. shinobi
              shinobi 23 July 2021 00: 52
              -1
              The problem is that you do not even understand what you are writing about. Like the figure whose drawings I cite as illustrations. The illustration shows an example of using the Coanda effect to create thrust. The author calls this a screen effect, whose process is based on the reflected air flow between the plane of the wing and static surface. That is, from a completely different opera. Gas-air-plasma cavern, a completely separate topic, which has nothing to do with either the screen effect or the Coanda effect. Decide for yourself which one of you is a ram. Who wrote this nonsense in some magazine, judging by illustrations are TM, or you. Seriously projecting this nonsense here.
              PS: And yes. Apparatus using both of the above principles have been known for a very long time and look either like a flying wing or a saucer. The Coanda effect was developed back in the Reich. On YouTube there are videos of a British aircraft modeller with his saucer on this principle. Screen flights were made by everyone who could. the article to which you refer, deliberately mixing in one heap concepts and principles from completely different directions, replacing concepts that would look scientific. Why is it completely incomprehensible. Anyone who is even a little in the subject will immediately begin to poke this nonsense with his nose. As Tupolev said , with a good engine and the cart will fly. But it will remain a cart. This is me about your flying chests. And finally start using your brains.
              1. Ilya Aksyonov
                Ilya Aksyonov 26 July 2021 07: 37
                -1
                I am the author of the text, the concept of aircraft and illustrations for them. And you just carry a deranged and inadequate blizzard.
                1. shinobi
                  shinobi 26 July 2021 08: 56
                  -1
                  Okay. Treat your head uncle. And then learn the laws of physics. Anticipating your insinuations, I have a higher education (technology of electrochemical production) and you will not prove to me here that you know more. Treat your head in general.
                  1. Ilya Aksyonov
                    Ilya Aksyonov 27 July 2021 08: 33
                    -1
                    I am so glad and happy that you have a higher education - this is now such a rarity that wherever you spit, a genius with a higher education immediately appears there!
                    But tell me, aunt, what you discovered or invented, so that I can appreciate your comments and proudly tell my friends over a glass of beer about meeting you!
                    What's your last name, genius woman?
                    Where and how do your planes fly or what did you create there?
                    Show me their picture, finally!
                    Waiting for an answer like the nightingale of summer!
                    1. shinobi
                      shinobi 28 July 2021 05: 55
                      -2
                      Treat the head of a woodpecker. I'm a man, I got my education in the USSR, when the education was still worth it. Show you a diploma? Maybe even the exact address and bank accounts? Your face won't crack? An unrecognized genius go to the fool.
                      1. Ilya Aksyonov
                        Ilya Aksyonov 28 July 2021 13: 01
                        0
                        Ha-ha-ha!
                        I see that studying in the USSR did not bring you intelligence and happiness, auntie.
                        Ha-ha-ha!
                        I wasn't asking for your picture!
                        Ha ha ha! I imagine your mug!
                        I asked for a photo of your inventions or discoveries!
                        Ha-ha-ha!
  23. shinobi
    shinobi 11 July 2021 12: 37
    0
    What can be the sixth generation if everything is not clear with the fifth? The accuracy of the missiles of modern air defense systems, ours at least, is close to one. How can the battle between two 5s from the field of simulation and fantasy end. But yes! The sixth generation. Another blah blah. -bla from the Yankes.
  24. Seld
    Seld 18 July 2021 09: 25
    0
    Not so deep fabrications. All of the above is obvious. To do better, faster, cheaper. Just think, Newton's binomial ... It would be more interesting to read thoughts about the fundamental ideas of using aviation in completely new conditions. Strictly speaking, as of now, the concept has not undergone fundamental innovations compared to the use of aviation during the Second World War / the end of the 20th century. Who believed that it was better and cheaper: to launch missiles at targets or to raise aircraft into the air to destroy targets. What is more efficient? Which is cheaper? Which is easier? Or maybe you don't need to launch anything at all? But will it be enough to hire a dozen smart hackers? With regard to the development of aviation: the analysis of progress in materials science appears more and more ... Meanwhile, this topic can be of a key nature. Even more important than the development of ...