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Heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" towed for disposal

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Towing "Admiral Lazarev" for disposal


Heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" of project 11442 has been sent for scrapping. On April 30, Friday, he was towed to the 30th shipyard.

Reportedly, the cruiser was removed from its long anchorage in the Abrek Bay of Strelok Bay, after which it was taken by tugs to the territory of the 30th shipyard in the Danube village of the Primorsky Territory, where its disposal will begin. The ship should be installed on the cutting slip by the end of August this year.

In February of this year, it was reported that the contract for the disposal of the TARKR "Admiral Lazarev" with the 30th shipyard was signed by "Rosatom". The cost of disposal is estimated at 5 billion rubles, the work should be completed by November 30, 2025.


"Admiral Lazarev" at the cutting wall of the 30th shipyard

Recall that the cruiser was withdrawn from the Pacific fleet in 1999, and five years later in Bolshoy Kamen, nuclear power plants were unloaded from it, part of the equipment was removed, after which the ship was mothballed. In 2014, dock repairs of the ship were carried out in order to maintain buoyancy. In 2015, a decision was made to dispose of it, which had to wait another six long years.

TARKR "Admiral Lazarev" - Project 1144 "Orlan" heavy nuclear missile cruiser. Built at the Baltic Shipyard. Launched on May 26, 1981, entered the Pacific Fleet on October 31, 1984 under the name "Frunze", renamed into "Admiral Lazarev" on April 22, 1994.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 30 2021 16: 46
    +59
    Sad ...
    I saw him repeatedly on the move ...
    The most beautiful steamer!
    Leaves after "all polymers" ...
    1. Theodore
      Theodore April 30 2021 16: 47
      -21%
      There is no more strength to hold on! After all, there is no money ... recourse
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan April 30 2021 16: 48
        +4
        Unambiguously positive news, the cruiser could have sunk at the pier. This is where it all went.
        Now the cruiser was handed over to the performer. At the end of August, the cruiser will be placed on the PD-41 dock slip, after which preparations will begin for dismantling the superstructure. The bow should be disassembled in May 2024, the stern - in November of the same year. In general, the disposal works should take place in 12 stages and last until December 30, 2025. The cruiser will be brought into the floating dock twice, the first time to dismantle the bulb.
        The Soviet Pacific Fleet has almost finished.
        Photo for March 2021, in the photo the staggered Eminet 956 "Burny" which until 2020 stood for "repair" for 15 years in Vladivostok, "Admiral Lazarev" and the plundered 1174.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach April 30 2021 16: 59
          +29
          Unambiguously positive news

          In my opinion, it is difficult to call "unequivocally positive" news, but it is really necessary to do it, and this ship has no other way for a long time.
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan April 30 2021 17: 02
            +10
            “Better a horrible end than an endless horror” p.
            "Admiral Lazarev" was doomed. The modernization of the one-type "Admiral Nakhimov" has already gone beyond a reasonable price and terms. At the beginning of 2020, Nakhimov has mastered 80 billion since the beginning of modernization, and this is not the final figure. Plus the cost of energy consumption from the plant, plus water, garbage and other "little things in life" will definitely fit a hundred.
            The equipment has not been produced for 1144 for a long time, the repair work is almost restoration. Some had to be re-produced from scratch, drawings had to be gnawed from private traders. Here even the admirals had doubts about the scope of modernization of the same type of "Peter the Great", they say, "Admiral Nakhimov" is too expensive, so the scope of work on "Peter the Great" may be significantly limited. The ship is unique and the price tag for modernization is impressive + terms are not met.

            1. Zum
              Zum April 30 2021 17: 58
              +28
              The main trouble ...... they steal shamelessly ..... at the highest level .... here's a clear and simple formulation of all our problems !!!
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ April 30 2021 23: 11
                +11
                The main trouble ...... they steal godlessly ..... at the highest level ...

                Now, if all the thieves from the "highest level" would hang on the highest yard, then theft would stop.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 1 May 2021 08: 29
                  +15
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  The main trouble ...... they steal godlessly ..... at the highest level ...

                  Now, if all the thieves from the "highest level" would hang on the highest yard, then theft would stop.

                2. wow
                  wow 2 May 2021 11: 32
                  +1
                  Rey is not enough to hang all the thieves ....
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 2 May 2021 11: 35
                    0
                    There just start, the rest will come running with sincere confessions.
                  2. tech3030
                    tech3030 2 May 2021 15: 15
                    0
                    If there is a desire, we will find it for those who need it!
              2. Non liberoid Russian
                Non liberoid Russian 1 May 2021 16: 43
                +5
                did you hold a candle? are there facts, or how do you usually have to believe the words?
            2. alexmach
              alexmach April 30 2021 19: 19
              +9
              Nakhimov has mastered 80 billion since the beginning of modernization, and this is not the final figure. Plus the cost of energy consumption from the plant, plus water, garbage and other "little things in life" will definitely fit a hundred.

              These "little things in life" should be included in the cost of its modernization. But of course it's hard to disagree with the rest.
              It's a pity, of course, the ships are very beautiful. A ship modernized like the "Nakhimov" could become the nucleus of an aircraft carrier escort ... which, unfortunately, is also not there and is not visible in the foreseeable future.
            3. bk0010
              bk0010 April 30 2021 20: 12
              +3
              Quote: Bashkirkhan
              The modernization of the same type "Admiral Nakhimov" has already gone beyond a reasonable price and terms.
              It may not be about money there. One of the 1144 had problems with the reactor, after which the ship was put into a sludge and was not touched again. They waited for the radiation to subside. Perhaps it was Lazarev.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 1 May 2021 17: 05
                +2
                Quote: bk0010
                It may not be about money there. One of the 1144 had problems with the reactor, after which the ship was put into a sludge and was not touched again. They waited for the radiation to subside. Perhaps it was Lazarev.

                As far as I remember, there is not even a problem in the reactor - Rosatom can also bungle a new reactor, there was a problem with a breakdown of the turbo-gear mechanism. Unfortunately, we no longer have the production of these particular mechanisms. Even if there was a possibility of repair, for this it would have to disassemble almost half of the ship ... So it's sad.
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx April 30 2021 17: 55
            +10
            Quote: alexmach
            and this ship had no other way for a long time.

            Yes, since 1991 many have got in the way of "kirdyk", "bummer" and "sale for scrap".
          3. keeper03
            keeper03 April 30 2021 20: 19
            0
            Why so long ?!! belay Four years in recycling? !! sad
            Give it for a year !!! soldier
            1. Metallurg_2
              Metallurg_2 1 May 2021 10: 38
              +5
              For 4 years, you can spend 4 times more money for recycling.
              Learn arithmetic)
          4. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 1 May 2021 06: 47
            +11
            It's a shame not to have retained such power for the country ... It is hard when a warship dies. At the ship break ... Especially such a giant, a strong man ... Somewhere now sailors who served on the cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" sigh with sorrow. love was given by the crew to this handsome man .. .... Our family has a porthole with an armored shield from the commander's cabin from the destroyer on which his father served .. When the ship was sent for cutting, the sailors cut it out and gave it to "bathe - to the ship's commander!" here is the story
        2. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin April 30 2021 17: 11
          +23
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          The Soviet Pacific Fleet has almost finished.

          Why is the Pacific Fleet needed? There are only friends around ...
          Didn't we offer them to jointly cut the resources of the Far East ...
          And now they seem to be ready to cut ours without us ...
          Something, in general, is already beginning to consider it ...
          And the Pacific Fleet, however, is no longer there ...
          1. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
            VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 3 May 2021 14: 43
            -1
            Moscow is covering its ass with its SF! And the Black Sea Fleet too! Moscow just doesn't care about TF! At one time he suffered the most because of corruption! And there are more enemies in the Pacific Fleet than in the west, Japan, American military bases and the border with the United States!
        3. Cosm22
          Cosm22 April 30 2021 17: 21
          +18
          Um ...
          I am far from the marine theme. Therefore, I draw information from the Internet. In particular, I compare the dates in the article - the nuclear cruiser became part of the TF in 1984. Withdrawn from TF in 1999. The active life of the product is 15 years? I understand correctly? This is normal?
          Ditch a lot of money, resources, materials, human labor, time - and all this in order for the ship to sail the seas for only fifteen years?
          1. Murmur 55
            Murmur 55 April 30 2021 18: 01
            +17
            hi and his "youth" fell on the "saints of the 90s" and then you know, sawed and cut, everything and everyone, betrayed, threw those who were ready to give their lives for their HOMELAND, laughed at life guidelines. That is why the period is so short.
            1. syndicalist
              syndicalist 1 May 2021 07: 23
              +2
              It's so good that the 90s are over and now no one cuts, cuts, and betrays!
          2. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 April 30 2021 19: 17
            -11%
            large surface ships do not make sense for a long time, here battleships of the Sevastopol type were listed in the fleet for more than 30 years, but there was still no benefit from them, initially there was no need to start such ships as 1144, meanwhile small frigates successfully serve for more than 30 years 1135 to now, 1155, are much cheaper, the benefits from them are much more, repairs are cheaper, costs are less
            1. PROXOR
              PROXOR 1 May 2021 10: 17
              -1
              You've just blundered such nonsense, sho. 1144 had a set that protected the squadron on the march. S-300F. Mattresses solve the problem of covering the warrant by planes from an aircraft carrier, ours decided to go the way of missiles. 1144 and 1164 carry this air defense system.
              1. Vladimir1155
                Vladimir1155 1 May 2021 10: 20
                -7
                Quote: PROXOR
                1144 had a set that protected the squadron on the march. S-300F. Mattresses solve the problem of covering the warrant by planes from an aircraft carrier, ours decided to go the way of missiles. 1144 and 1164 carry this air defense system.

                firstly, according to rumors, this system has never been combat-ready on cruisers, and secondly, it is carried by a significantly smaller 1164, in the third of which campaign? which squadron? and where are you going? and for what?
                1. PROXOR
                  PROXOR 1 May 2021 13: 08
                  +1
                  1164 was created later than 1144. Secondly, the combat capability of the s-300f system is not known to you, I don’t know. And the rumors are believed by the grandmothers on the bench at the entrance.
                  Thirdly: when 1144 and 1164 were created, they went along the distant borders to the southernmost part of the Pacific and Indian Ocean.
                  The fact that now we have no squadrons is a matter of time. But the question of the relevance of covering the same UDC remains open. As well as their fire support.
                  1. Vladimir1155
                    Vladimir1155 1 May 2021 13: 20
                    -6
                    Quote: PROXOR
                    the question of the relevance of covering the same UDC remains open

                    UDC is a cut, there is nothing to cover and there is no point in them
                  2. Vladimir1155
                    Vladimir1155 1 May 2021 13: 21
                    -7
                    Quote: PROXOR
                    walked along the distant borders to the southernmost part of the Pacific and Indian Ocean.

                    What for?
          3. Lesorub
            Lesorub April 30 2021 19: 26
            +2
            Quote: Cosm22
            Withdrawn from TF in 1999. The active life of the product is 15 years? I understand correctly? This is normal?

            Yes, the tendency is deplorable to preserve the legacy - the ratio of refurbished-modernized units and those decommissioned (cut into metal) is simply appalling. There is no question of creating new models to replace the cut ones - such cruisers will clearly not be built in the next 50 years, but it was possible to support and upgrade in the future!
          4. barclay
            barclay April 30 2021 22: 49
            0
            Yes, and probably also stood in repairs more than once.
          5. g1v2
            g1v2 April 30 2021 23: 58
            +5
            Not normal, but the ship was hit at the time of the collapse of the empire. When that happens, the navy is the last thing on their minds. request It was about the same 100 years ago.
          6. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 1 May 2021 06: 57
            +4
            Quote: Cosm22
            The active life of the product is 15 years? I understand correctly? This is normal?
            Ditch a lot of money, resources, materials, human labor, time - and all this in order for the ship to sail the seas for only fifteen years?

            And how many hundreds of thousands, or rather millions of people, were shortened by the perestroika years and the years of Boris Nikolayevich's presidency, a rhetorical question because, as you yourself know, there was no time for living people, but the ships didn’t care ...
            1. syndicalist
              syndicalist 1 May 2021 07: 37
              -2
              Quote: 30 vis
              And how many hundreds of thousands, or rather millions of people, were shortened by the perestroika years and the years of Boris Nikolayevich's presidency,

              Oh, this EBN! I was born 10 years after the war, in a city previously captured and completely destroyed by the Nazis, and I do not remember any signs of war. No ruins, no destroyed factories. But I remember how new factories, bridges, roads were built and recreation parks were laid out. And then 21 years have passed and all of him, damn EBN! But these were years of an unprecedentedly favorable economic conjuncture for Russia. When only due to the rise in prices for hydrocarbons, the country received in ADDITION not less than 4 trillion dollars!
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 1 May 2021 11: 30
                0
                Quote: syndicalist
                Oh, this EBN! I was born 10 years after the war, in a city previously captured and completely destroyed by the Nazis, and I do not remember any signs of war. No ruins, no destroyed factories. But I remember how new factories, bridges, roads were built and recreation parks were laid out. And then 21 years have passed and all of him, damn EBN! But these were years of an unprecedentedly favorable economic conjuncture for Russia. When only due to the rise in prices for hydrocarbons, the country received in ADDITION not less than 4 trillion dollars!

                I was born in Sevastopol completely destroyed by the Nazis. 13 years after the war .. People continued to live on barges standing near the berths ..., lived in caves ... That was the name of the cave street .. We lived hard .. hard .. Yes, the city was built, but in twenty years they raised from the ruins .. And yes, now new bridges, parks are being built, I see factories in my beloved Sevastopol !!! But I don’t remember that during the years of EBN there was an economic recovery and an increase in welfare .. I remember the first-second Chechen wars. I remember Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky !!! I remember how my family, in principle, starved ... Yes, one chicken leg for four ... Damn Bush legs ... I can't see them since then ... So you don't need to fill in ..., as they say in navy !!!
              2. Metallurg_2
                Metallurg_2 1 May 2021 11: 48
                0
                The popularly elected drunk walked around the country more abruptly than the Second World War.
                Interestingly, in 1990 what they voted for: mind, heart, or, sorry, ass?
          7. curio
            curio 1 May 2021 11: 54
            0
            Unfortunately, the story there is even sadder ............ he was a stake already in 91 ...
            There was such a story ... that the sailors of the demobilization disabled the equipment for remote control of the reactor, so that they would not leave for the planned military service.
            at least one teacher told us this story for another 91.
          8. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
            VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 3 May 2021 14: 46
            0
            Ordinary corruption! And when they start sawing, then let them write similar articles! And since the women are in the village! At one end of the village they hit, at the other end they say killed! Now it is fashionable to spread unverified rumors!
        4. Niko
          Niko April 30 2021 19: 53
          +2
          [quote = Bashkirkhan] "Definitely positive news." It's hard to say. Would sell to China, in a couple of years I would run and threaten America. Although now they will be sawn, they will still sell to China and build a brand new destroyer there ...
          1. syndicalist
            syndicalist 1 May 2021 07: 42
            -1
            Quote: Niko
            Although now they will be sawn, they will still sell to China and build a new destroyer there ...

            Which will then fight with the Russian fleet.
          2. syndicalist
            syndicalist 1 May 2021 07: 43
            0
            Quote: Niko
            Although now they will be sawn, they will still sell to China and build a new destroyer there ...

            Which will then fight with the Russian fleet.
        5. antivirus
          antivirus 1 May 2021 03: 33
          +1
          here is the truth about the program of building the fleet until 2020 - 20 trillion rubles. Was there this line - cutting-up and recycling of old ones?
          maybe they do it like that? not only the cost of new, but also the old cut?
      2. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev April 30 2021 19: 41
        -11%
        It is simply not needed in modern conditions. Well, it's worth "Moscow", hundreds of millions are wasted on its maintenance, why? Maybe it's better to build destroyers and frigates with corvettes? We are not the United States, we do not print money so that we can throw it on expensive toys that no one needs. The time of the cruisers has passed after the battleships.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 April 30 2021 23: 44
          +2
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Well, it's worth "Moscow"

          "Moskva", for a minute, walks, and will still walk quite actively - there will be enough work for him in the region.
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 1 May 2021 13: 51
            -5
            Can you tell me what things Moscow has enough to do in the region? I'm just curious. And the fact that Moscow occasionally swims for an unknown reason and where, does not speak of the need for this galoshes. "Moskva" was created to strike at an aircraft carrier group, for this it must walk at a distance of 300 km. from this group, and not just one, but with a bunch of other ships that Russia simply does not have in the World Cup. Moskva is carrying missiles that nobody needs while small ships are striking in Syria.
            The World Cup, like the BM, is a puddle blocked by ground complexes and aviation, the exit to the SM is to block like two fingers.
        2. Volder
          Volder 1 May 2021 06: 42
          +2
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Maybe it's better to build destroyers and frigates with corvettes?
          So they are being built according to the strength and capabilities of our shipyards. The shipyards are almost 100% full. For example, the next frigate 22350 will not be laid this year, because the slipways have not yet become available.
          Well, it costs "Moscow", hundreds of millions are wasted on its maintenance, why?
          Money for "Moscow" is not wasted. She can still show "Kuzkin's mother" to any western ship.
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 1 May 2021 14: 00
            -2
            Can you tell who and what Moscow can show? Will you send her to an aircraft carrier group to attack, without a couple of dozen destroyers? She, in the event of a real war, can only show the heroic sinking. Can you imagine how much the maintenance of "Moscow" costs? The salary of 510 people is probably 100 million a year, fuel for maintaining systems, repairs, ground handling is probably about 2 more. It seems to me that the cost of spending on Moscow is enough to build a corvette every year.
            1. Volder
              Volder 9 June 2021 14: 13
              0
              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              Will you send her to an aircraft carrier group to attack, without a couple of dozen destroyers?
              Why does "Moscow" need destroyers? Against the AUG, we will put up aviation, submarines and "Moscow". The cruiser was created as an aircraft carrier killer. Everything was calculated and calculated.
              She, in the event of a real war, can only show the heroic sinking.
              This is your subjective opinion, with which many disagree.
              It seems to me that the cost of spending on Moscow is enough to build a corvette every year.
              Why don't you need to service the corvettes ?? There is no crew on the corvettes who need to be paid a salary? Corvettes are being built in Russia, shipyards are 100% busy, engine building is also 100% loaded, so if you abandon the cruiser, you will not be able to increase the number of corvettes.
        3. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
          VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 3 May 2021 14: 47
          0
          These are your stupid statements are not needed on the forum!
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 3 May 2021 14: 50
            -2
            Is it you that will decide what is needed and what is not needed? Maybe "You are in power here"? Yes, you are my friend "liberal". Remember freedom of speech in Russia.
      3. lelik613
        lelik613 2 May 2021 12: 06
        0
        "Green grapes!" (C) well-known
    2. Grits
      Grits 1 May 2021 01: 15
      +4
      Quote: Victor_B
      Sad ...
      I saw him repeatedly on the move ...
      The most beautiful steamer!
      Leaves after "all polymers" ...

      I also saw this handsome man, though not on the move. And I looked at it from the side of another unique SSV-30 Ural ship. Which has long been cut on needles.
      My neighbor, friend (now deceased) served on it for 3 years and was very proud of it.
    3. Napayz
      Napayz 1 May 2021 22: 17
      +1
      ahem ... SHIP, if you please
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 30 2021 16: 47
    +33
    The era is ending. Soon, only in pictures and photographs all the former might of the Soviet fleet will remain ...
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan April 30 2021 17: 30
      +15
      In the photographs, the living cruiser will remain as "Frunze". And they will saw it as "Admiral Lazarev".
  3. Tusv
    Tusv April 30 2021 16: 47
    +37
    He served, They didn't play war with you. So I have completed my task. Sleep well, with honor and respect
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 1 May 2021 00: 37
      +5
      Quote: Tusv
      So I have completed my task.

      Truly so.
      Quote: Tusv
      Sleep well, with honor and respect

      To serve him now in the retinue of Poseidon - in the ship's paradise has its own hierarchy. soldier
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 30 2021 16: 48
    +26
    The second after Kirov. Commissioned in 1984 And did not really serve as 15 years for such a ship. It's a pity, it's a pity. I saw Kirov and Peter on the move, mesmerizing !!!
  5. knn54
    knn54 April 30 2021 16: 49
    +4
    Disposal of the burnt out UDC, which is much larger than the TARK, will cost the Yankees half the price.
    I’d better not say anything.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar April 30 2021 16: 53
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      Disposal of the burnt out UDC, which is much larger than the TARK, will cost the Yankees half the price.

      Well, "Lazarev" is nuclear, the reactor must be unloaded and disposed of according to all the rules. It is clear that there is much more fuss.
      1. Alexxis
        Alexxis April 30 2021 17: 00
        +9
        Recall that the cruiser was withdrawn from the Pacific Fleet in 1999, and five years later in Bolshoy Kamen, nuclear power plants were unloaded from it, part of the equipment was removed, after which the ship was mothballed.
      2. knn54
        knn54 April 30 2021 17: 32
        +11
        Kalmar, the article says "... nuclear power plants were unloaded from it, some of the equipment was removed, after which the ship was mothballed."
        And second, compare the salaries of American and Russian specialists, which is also taken into account in the estimate.
        Or as in a joke - How much ... does it take to twist one light bulb?
        Four, at least .. One is standing on a stool and holding a light bulb. Two are twisting a stool. Another runs around so that his head does not spin.
        1. PN
          PN April 30 2021 18: 03
          +2
          Well, I don’t know how on a surface ship, but on a nuclear submarine, the reactor is not unloaded, only spent nuclear fuel is unloaded. And the reactor, together with the compartment, is cut off from the rest of the vessel, preserved and sent to Novaya Zemlya to a place of long-term storage.
          1. Cypa
            Cypa 1 May 2021 07: 30
            0
            Not to Novaya Zemlya, but to Sayda lip
    2. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 April 30 2021 18: 04
      +6
      hi so the UDC is hollow inside, in fact a shell, and the TAKR is stuffed with iron under the most I can not.
  6. Alien From
    Alien From April 30 2021 16: 53
    +1
    Everything has its time!
  7. xorek
    xorek April 30 2021 16: 54
    +14
    What might (even now) the former great country of the USSR! Goodbye Were able to build !!!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 30 2021 17: 59
      -3
      Quote: xorek
      What might (even now) the former great country of the USSR! Goodbye Were able to build !!!

      you are "mikhan" Putensky! I always waved for him! weather vane ...
      1. xorek
        xorek April 30 2021 18: 14
        +5
        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: xorek
        What might (even now) the former great country of the USSR! Goodbye Were able to build !!!

        you are "mikhan" Putensky! I always waved for him! weather vane ...

        I'm not for Putin or Navalny, etc. I am always for a Strong and independent Russia!
        There is such a concept as a statesman! soldier I am against whiners and everything is gone and it's time to get rid of THIS country. I looked at them and listened to them in the late 80s and 90s
        Now, again, a wave has gone like this and disappeared and Katz offers to surrender ..
        I hope you understand me or explain something else? hi
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 1 May 2021 00: 41
          +3
          Quote: xorek
          There is such a concept as a statesman!

          hi
          Quote: xorek
          I am against whiners and everything is gone and it's time to get rid of THIS country.

          Vitaly, it's time to get used to (although this is a filthy habit) to the fact that whoopers and mourners have existed at all times. It's another matter that lately this snotty banner has been pulled out of fragile female hands by over-aged infantiles who consider themselves to be the opposite sex. Oh, and in vain they are ... am
          1. syndicalist
            syndicalist 1 May 2021 07: 51
            +1
            Yes, there are whoopers and mourners, but there are also "patriots", like the parents of an inveterate poor student, who claim that their son is the best, and accusations of laziness, extortion, hooliganism are just slander of teachers and ill-wishers.
      2. poquello
        poquello April 30 2021 19: 55
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: xorek
        What might (even now) the former great country of the USSR! Goodbye Were able to build !!!

        you are "mikhan" Putensky! I always waved for him! weather vane ...

        and what is the incongruence?
        The USSR was a great country. The current does not reach you to the polymers, that Russia is great both before and after.
  8. Alexey Stepanov
    Alexey Stepanov April 30 2021 17: 05
    +20
    Artifact of a Lost Great Civilization
    1. knn54
      knn54 April 30 2021 17: 47
      +9
      Broken sword of the Empire.
    2. xorek
      xorek April 30 2021 18: 31
      +4
      Quote: Alexey Stepanov
      Artifact of a Lost Great Civilization

      By the way, there are fewer and fewer of them .. And our children and grandchildren are trying to erase the memory that there was nothing so great and no achievements .. Only one continuous gulag and terror Ugh damn it. angry
  9. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich April 30 2021 17: 07
    +2
    Heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" towed for disposal

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
  10. Mouse
    Mouse April 30 2021 17: 12
    +14
    Do you know how ships die?
    When their souls are guarded by sleep
    Bodies only float to the ground
    And everyone anchors in unison.

    You know how painful it hurts to wait for peace
    When a wave is splashing behind the wall ..?!
    Do not dare to touch with your voice, with your hand,
    And remember only - the fate is decided ...

    You know how white light cuts
    The eyes of the ships we killed?
    There is no feeling at all in the iron camp -
    Misconceptions of people ...

    You know how scary one is,
    Cut to pieces by grief? ..
    You know ... but still why
    Not a single hand trembles? ..

    Do you know how ships die? ..
    Worthy of a quiet, swan song.
    They wanted to live, they could
    To make life for you -
    Lighter, brighter and more wonderful ... Do you know how ships die?


  11. Sergey Obraztsov
    Sergey Obraztsov April 30 2021 17: 24
    +4
    It is a pity, there was a hope that he would follow the path of Nakhimov, but every year it gets weaker. If the modernization had not dragged on so long ... And now it is necessary to urgently put Peter in the dock. In the meantime, he gets out of there, it is clear that Lazarev will no longer live.
  12. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk April 30 2021 18: 04
    +5
    New ones need to be built, not that much money for the state, if it weren't for free money to all sorts of kaklam, three lard each, to the left and to the right.
  13. xorek
    xorek April 30 2021 18: 27
    +5
    I look at this photo of this beautiful and formidable cruiser and remember my childhood ..
    We rested on the sea in Batumi and such ships were standing far on the horizon all the time (three were definitely huge), well, of course they changed .. I constantly asked my mother, "Do they protect us?" To which my mother calmly answered me "Yes, sonny, so that you and I can swim here and sunbathe calmly .." And they will not leave mothers .. No, sonny, they will protect all of us and always .. I was so proud! There were times of confidence in the future and the MAIN FEELING OF SECURITY !!! Now this is NOT, alas, but they seem to be trying to get it all back, but ..
    These are the things that rescue divers do.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 1 May 2021 06: 26
      +1
      Well, of course, there were no such people in Batumi, but you reminded me how in Feodosia there was always a watchdog on the roadstead, and it always impressed me very much, especially when they passed by on a boat (they went like minibuses to the Golden Beach) - I looked with all my eyes .. thanks for the memories hi
  14. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk April 30 2021 19: 15
    +4
    They are scrapping a ship that has essentially served for several years. 9th May. As Putin said today, it is a holy holiday.
    1. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 1 May 2021 18: 56
      0
      Have you forgotten about the Ural nuclear-powered ship? He stood close to it. The story is the same.
  15. devetry
    devetry April 30 2021 20: 14
    +1
    We don’t know any hr., Maybe there is metal fonite, maybe there are some other problems, where did all the ... Polymers come from? Or are all the dobodyatly in the General Staff? The war is on the nose, there are no traitors ...
    1. notingem
      notingem April 30 2021 23: 15
      +1
      All is well beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well
  16. stepka_razin
    stepka_razin April 30 2021 21: 25
    +6
    This is how the military might of the Soviet Union dies, and a fleet of oligarchs' yachts is replacing it
    1. Kamarada
      Kamarada 1 May 2021 02: 19
      0
      Correctly Step. Only great fellow Soviet Union, and to replace it with a fleet of yachts of oligarchs. Capitalism is normal in the Russian Federation sad
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 1 May 2021 08: 11
        +2
        Quote: Kamarada
        Capitalism is normal in the Russian Federation

        In 19, he traveled to Finland almost all summer. We lived in a tent, in a boat, in inexpensive houses. Traveled almost all over the country. And most of all I was struck by the absolute bespontovism of the population. With incomes several times higher than ours, you will not see not only super-expensive yachts or limousines, but even two-three-storey mansions. But on the other hand, every homeowner will certainly plant beautiful shrubs along the public road and break flower beds, not fenced, by any fence at all. But there is also capitalism.
        1. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 1 May 2021 16: 59
          -6
          a beautiful fairy tale, it is a pity that lies. their income is like ours, it is not for nothing that the Finns constantly drive to Russia to shops, pharmacies and gas stations. but it’s ridiculous to focus on salary now, see the teaching staff, but it’s the same
          1. Andy
            Andy 5 May 2021 08: 31
            0
            in general, it is Finnish and not Russian pensioners massively ride in different countries in sanatoriums and excursions. As for the savings, why not buy it at a cheaper price?
            1. Non liberoid Russian
              Non liberoid Russian 7 May 2021 03: 16
              -1
              and have you seen a lot of Finnish pensioners? here it is personally and not obs
              1. Andy
                Andy 7 May 2021 09: 12
                -1
                Yes many. to the crown they arrived to us by ferries. and then someone in the spa, someone on excursions. whole buses around the city of pensioners.
          2. ramzay21
            ramzay21 6 May 2021 01: 22
            -1
            PPP is designed to hide the horrors in our economy.
            Everything should be measured by one, the same measure. Distances are in meters, the temperature is in Celsius, and the size of the economy and wages are measured in dollars at the exchange rate, then it becomes clear how much they get from us, and how much in Finland or Zimbabwe.
            1. Non liberoid Russian
              Non liberoid Russian 10 May 2021 07: 31
              -1
              you wrote such nonsense
              1. ramzay21
                ramzay21 10 May 2021 09: 28
                0
                If you are not able to understand, then this is not necessarily nonsense. Maybe you just don't understand.
                1. Non liberoid Russian
                  Non liberoid Russian 14 May 2021 05: 21
                  0
                  Well, of course, where do I care about the followers of all the platoshkins, and the sects of the holy ussr ... there is also the best education and the most educated people. it's not me, cotton wool, Russian with a modern higher education.
                  1. ramzay21
                    ramzay21 14 May 2021 08: 23
                    0
                    The level of your education, like your upbringing, becomes clear after you turn to strangers.
  17. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 30 2021 21: 47
    +1
    We need a confident series of large ships, not sorrowful regret about the legacy of the USSR. I understand everything, a handsome ship, but we need not modernize individual "units", but build a large series of sea-ocean ships.
    1. ramzay21
      ramzay21 6 May 2021 01: 29
      -1
      It is necessary that it is necessary, only the modern government has led the country to the impossibility of building a large series of not only such ships, frigates, then they are not able to overpower in a large series.
      The country's authorities cannot handle the operation and medium repair of large ships, they have neither the brains nor the money for this.
  18. garri-lin
    garri-lin April 30 2021 22: 31
    +6
    My heart bleeds from this news. Such a handsome man, such a mighty machine and on pins and needles? A monument to its former greatness. It is necessary to make a museum out of it. Restore to its original form. And make a museum. So that children can see the former power live. So that they understand that such peaks are achievable.
  19. Marshal 32
    Marshal 32 1 May 2021 06: 56
    -1
    A friend of mine returned from the Danube yesterday, says that the dock who started the ascent of the cruiser, Khan! In the dock, the interkingston pipes and stop valves were not repaired for about 10 years. When they drove it into the dock and started lifting, the pipelines were not stupidly held at the dock. But our mentality told them to see, what if!?) He says that the dock was almost drowned completely, now the dock will be patched up for a month.
  20. sustav75
    sustav75 1 May 2021 07: 20
    0
    Initially, 5 billion for recycling! Then the date will be shifted to the right! They will demand more money! 10-20 billion! Everything as usual! "Saw Shura Saw"
  21. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 1 May 2021 07: 53
    +3
    Why do we need it ... oligarchofragly yachts will stamp themselves at foreign shipyards. Rocket gunboats with great effort and pomp will be squeezed out for the needs of the Navy stubs. The next peak of technical thought and possibilities of the times of the USSR has been rotted away. It is sad and disgusting, because to design and recreate LIKE in metal is simply stupid, there is NO both the very possibility and the sane STAFF. And therefore, we do not need such advanced war machines in the navy, for we are a land power of the type wassat
  22. Max Balamut
    Max Balamut 1 May 2021 10: 51
    +1
    I have been working as a gas cutter at an enterprise in Sevastopol for the disposal of ships and experience for already 20 years! But such nuclear-powered ships are a novelty for me! different types met - steam, jet, diesel, but if nuclear is a curiosity for me! I would like to look at his vnutryanka and cars! we also received an offer to recruit specialists, including me, and send them there to Vladivostok! Now I am wondering whether it is worth going there to the ocean if the sound of the surf is already tired of colic))) I can't add a photo from work, but Kerch also found its last path with us! I was very sorry for him!
  23. Old26
    Old26 1 May 2021 15: 58
    0
    Quote: alexmach
    These "little things in life" should be included in the cost of its modernization.

    These are by no means trifles, comrade Alexander. The ships are unique. The equipment has not been produced for a long time, here is the price tag and creeps up, and the timing to the right

    Quote: g1v2
    Not normal, but the ship was hit at the time of the collapse of the empire. When that happens, the navy is the last thing on their minds. request It was about the same 100 years ago.

    Alas, yes. Decay time is decay time. At one time I came across a book called EMNIP "The Last Giants of the Empire" (about the battleships of the "Sevastopol" and "Empress Maria" type and the battle cruisers of the "Izmail" project). So, among all the information there was a table with plans for the development of the linear fleet of Russia (the Russian Empire, to be precise). The term in this table is up to 1930, EMNIP. The leadership of the empire in the person of Nikolai Alexandrovich did not plan REVOLUTIONS. As a result, the state of the linear fleet of Russia / USSR is known

    Quote: garri-lin
    My heart bleeds from this news. Such a handsome man, such a mighty machine and on pins and needles? A monument to its former greatness. It is necessary to make a museum out of it. Restore to its original form. And make a museum. So that children can see the former power live. So that they understand that such peaks are achievable.

    The museum is certainly good. But it is also very, very expensive. To maintain such a whopper in a normal state is alas, it costs a huge amount of money. The regional ministry of culture will NEVER have that kind of money. Look what efforts are required to maintain the same "Mikhail Kutuzov" in Novorossiysk. But there are not so many rooms open for the access of museum visitors. But apart from the museum premises, all the others need to be maintained in good condition.
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    1. Andy
      Andy 5 May 2021 08: 37
      -1
      now we have taken care of ourselves so that even the ice cream does not remain ?! I see that the most boorish and stupid comments from "non-liberoids" because when there is nothing clever to say begins to hang labels. there is one more example above in the branch.
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  25. Rybalochka Alexey Alekseevich
    Rybalochka Alexey Alekseevich 1 May 2021 17: 46
    +1
    Sadly, very much even. Been there several times. As a lieutenant, I was very impressed.
  26. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 1 May 2021 18: 53
    +3
    The Pacific Fleet is now perhaps the worst equipped. You can also remember about the nuclear-powered reconnaissance ship "Ural" - a unique ship. Even without going to sea, he could control all US facilities in Japan and South Korea.
    And to put it bluntly, there is a gradual surrender of the Far East to China and Japan. And the main threat is the outflow of the population to the European part of Russia and mainly to the Moscow region.
    The Pacific Fleet has no missile-carrying or strike aircraft. There is practically no fighter plane (only the MiG-31 squadron of early releases in Kamchatka).
    This is absolutely not enough. Given the capabilities of the Japanese, South Korean, American fleets in this region.
    1. Asad
      Asad 2 May 2021 13: 12
      0
      I will support your opinion, I recently wrote that with the destruction of bridges across the rivers of the Far East, this region will be defenseless, one hope for nuclear weapons.
  27. xomaNN
    xomaNN 2 May 2021 11: 13
    +1
    5 lard in minus - they will pay for disposal. But how can you calculate the "pluses"? Those. Spare parts for two fellow cruisers, which are still afloat, materials, metal? It is clear that the numbers will not be impressive. bully
    And the ship is a pity ... They built it at great expense, but they could not save it correctly. And no one, not only that NOBODY was responsible for the mess of plundering the fleet in the 90s, and now they do not call these bastards by name.
    1. Asad
      Asad 2 May 2021 13: 17
      0
      I wonder how much is the weight of this ship? Maybe with the current prices for metal, these offices themselves have to pay for the right to work with this cruiser?
      1. Osipov9391
        Osipov9391 2 May 2021 14: 26
        +2
        And you have not forgotten how much gold, silver, platinum, palladium (potentiometers for example) and other good will be recovered during disposal? There will be much more than 5 billion rubles. Not to mention copper, ferrous scrap and so on. There, someone is making fortunes for themselves on this.
        1. Asad
          Asad 2 May 2021 17: 19
          0
          I have absolutely not forgotten that there is a special conversation about non-ferrous metals and rare earth materials! Okay, you have to pay for the extraction and disposal of nuclear waste, but metal!
          1. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 2 May 2021 18: 39
            0
            Who will dispose of the radioactive waste? Well, maybe the reactor compartment will be designated for storage. And so the fuel assemblies (if they worked) contain a lot of plutonium. There is even rhodium, samarium and ruthenium. At "Mayak" all this will be divided and sold.
  28. bbss
    bbss 2 May 2021 11: 45
    +1
    The pygmies cannot even paint the heritage of a great civilization.
  29. miner804
    miner804 2 May 2021 14: 48
    +1
    Wow! Why spend 5 lard on cutting ???
  30. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 3 May 2021 08: 38
    +1
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    “Better a horrible end than an endless horror” p.
    "Admiral Lazarev" was doomed. The modernization of the one-type "Admiral Nakhimov" has already gone beyond a reasonable price and terms. At the beginning of 2020, Nakhimov has mastered 80 billion since the beginning of modernization, and this is not the final figure. Plus the cost of energy consumption from the plant, plus water, garbage and other "little things in life" will definitely fit a hundred.
    The equipment has not been produced for 1144 for a long time, the repair work is almost restoration. Some had to be re-produced from scratch, drawings had to be gnawed from private traders. Here even the admirals had doubts about the scope of modernization of the same type of "Peter the Great", they say, "Admiral Nakhimov" is too expensive, so the scope of work on "Peter the Great" may be significantly limited. The ship is unique and the price tag for modernization is impressive + terms are not met.


    Pay attention, for "Admiral Nakhimov" this path has been passed: The equipment has not been produced for 1144 for a long time, the repair work is almost restoration. Some had to be re-produced from scratch, drawings had to be gnawed from private owners.
    Actually, the experience of repair / restoration of this particular project already exists, the issue with the equipment for "Nakhimov" was somehow decided, therefore, the same can be solved for "Peter" and for "Lazorev", drawings from private traders "gnawed" ...
    Thus, repair / restoration / modernization of "Peter" and "Lazorev" will be much cheaper !!!
    You say: So we have no money ... alas, in any case too expensive ... cuts again!
    And I will answer: until we start a real fight against corruption, we will never have money! BEFORE EVERY OFFICER, EVERY ADMIRAL, EVERY DIRECTOR OF THE PLANT, HEAD / FOUNDER OF THE FIRM, EVERY MINISTER WILL NOT CARRY A PERSONAL !!! PERSONAL !!! AND INVARIABLE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE STATUS OF THE BUSINESS ASSIGNED TO HIM, UNAS WILL NEVER HAVE MONEY !!!

    Since the "Saints of the 90s" including the entire period of Putin's rule, we have not had and have not had the responsibility of civil servants. Here in this I see the root, if not all, then half of the troubles for sure!

    And the cruiser ... well, it's a pity ... the ship can be restored from a much worse condition, the United States is a witness to this!
    Has the cruiser lost its meaning? big warships are no longer needed? well, yes ... well, yes ... and American AUGs no longer threaten us ... and all over the world we have only friends ...
  31. ramzay21
    ramzay21 6 May 2021 01: 11
    0
    For that kind of money, one could at least make a museum ship out of it, since the current government does not have enough conscience or brains for more.
  32. Obsidan
    Obsidan 15 May 2021 02: 07
    0
    It's a shame for our fleet ... What we in the Soviet Union, with such difficulty created - now it goes to cut.