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Tests of the Czech wheeled self-propelled howitzer "Dana-M2" began in Ukraine

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In Ukraine, the tests of the Czech self-propelled guns Dana-M2, which are planned to be put into service with the Ukrainian army, have begun. According to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, one sample of "Dana" was delivered to the Rivne region.


The Ukrainian military department has begun testing the Czech Dana M2 self-propelled howitzer, which, if positive feedback is received, should replace the Soviet-made D-20 towed howitzers in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In total, according to the plans of the Ukrainian military, the Armed Forces should receive 26 Czech self-propelled guns. It is noted that apart from the Czech Republic, no country was able to offer Ukraine similar wheeled self-propelled guns.

The question arises, what about the "famous" Ukrainian self-propelled howitzer "Bogdan" caliber 155 mm, why is the Czech self-propelled gun "Dana-M2" purchased, and not her? The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has an answer to this: the 152-mm self-propelled gun "Dana M2" is not a competitor to the Ukrainian self-propelled guns, since the "Bogdana" will go into service with artillery brigades. True, when it comes is not explained, but the shells for its tests have already been purchased. Currently, the only prototype ACS "Bogdan" is at the "Kramatorsk Heavy Machine Tool Plant".


The Czech self-propelled gun DANA-M2 is a deep modernization of the self-propelled gun ShKH Dana vz. 77, this variant appeared in 2018. Ukraine may become the first foreign operator of a Czech howitzer; so far, no self-propelled gun has entered service with other countries. For what reason, one can only guess. Maybe 152 mm caliber doesn't suit, or maybe something else.
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  1. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 30 2021 12: 00
    +2
    laughing Yes, Schaub did not make it to the landfill.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 30 2021 12: 14
      +6
      Quote: Captive
      Yes, Schaub did not make it to the landfill.

      On our roads? It will definitely not make it!
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 30 2021 12: 27
        +2
        The car is interesting by the way. In the 80s, they wanted to put an early version of Dana into service with the SA. Apparently they did not find any advantages over our ACS, but there is one drawback. It does not charge from the ground.
        1. hrych
          hrych April 30 2021 13: 48
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          It does not charge from the ground.
          rest in peace to her am
          To put this on trial in the LDNR
          1. 210ox
            210ox April 30 2021 16: 26
            +1
            For trials in the LDNR ?? !!! But what about the ban on the use of heavy artillery systems according to the "Minsk agreement". It is being tested at a test site in Russia.
            1. hrych
              hrych April 30 2021 20: 11
              +1
              I think there is not much to experience there. The tower is standard with an excellent elevation angle, the tower rotates 180 degrees, the stabilizers are appropriate. You don't need to turn around to get away quickly. At the Czech, the cab of the tractor looks at the opponents, therefore it requires a turn. A useful thing, the network of roads, including unpaved roads, allows it to be used effectively. I agree, a formidable and highly mobile weapon and I am glad that ours did better. The Malva is still being tested, where the crew left the massive turret for the tractor cab. Even more correct, they got rid of the extra load.
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              2. 210ox
                210ox April 30 2021 20: 48
                -2
                I don't see the cutting machine. Everything is still from the ground. And who said that on Dana the crew is riding in the tower?
        2. alpamys
          alpamys April 30 2021 14: 33
          +5
          Quote: 210ox
          The car is interesting by the way. In the 80s, they wanted to put an early version of Dana into service with the SA. Apparently they did not find any advantages over our ACS, but there is one drawback. It does not charge from the ground.

          In the 94th year, 4 new Dans came to Vtorchermet of Astana for cutting, with one of them he twisted a small turret with an armored shutter that was on the top.
          It does not charge from the ground, there are AZ and the shells are installed vertically in the belt on the sides.
      2. 210ox
        210ox April 30 2021 16: 48
        0
        It is interesting to observe how colleagues patriotically criticize a Soviet gun with an automatic loader mounted on a Czech chassis. On Skoda "many will be happy to dissect ..
    2. xorek
      xorek April 30 2021 15: 54
      0
      Quote: Captive
      laughing Yes, Schaub did not make it to the landfill.

      Yes, Schaub's engine jammed and the gun burst .. wassat
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner April 30 2021 16: 37
        +1
        laughing Yeah. And Schaub all the calculation for dysentery struck.
        1. xorek
          xorek April 30 2021 17: 13
          +1
          Quote: Captive
          laughing Yeah. And Schaub all the calculation for dysentery struck.

          Schaub is right in the truck and all at the same time .. laughing
  2. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 30 2021 12: 01
    +7
    There is a discussion on the size of the rollback. As soon as the "testers" agree, they will report to Zelensky: the rollback is normal, you can take it, and you can not even bring it, the main thing is to transfer money and get a bribe, and self-propelled guns can immediately be written off as lost in battle.
    1. For example
      For example April 30 2021 12: 05
      +8
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      There is a discussion on the size of the rollback.

      Since this is artillery, then
      - normal rollback! good laughing
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 30 2021 12: 33
        +5
        You shouldn't be sneering. This is a very formidable weapon, and highly mobile at that. It is not in vain that the Kakaly move away from the towed artillery. It can be said that this is an analogue of the current "Archer" for the ATS countries. And naturally the Czechs have modernized it more than once.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev April 30 2021 15: 14
          0
          The wheel system, in principle, cannot be highly mobile, especially for a real war. The wheelbase is for road driving, a frivolous thing. In order for this to shoot, you must first turn around, put on supports, and this is the time. Such cars are ersatz for beggars.
          1. 210ox
            210ox April 30 2021 16: 29
            -1
            Watch a video of Dana's shooting. You will see both supports and it will not work off-road ..
      2. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev April 30 2021 15: 12
        +1
        Well, for Ukraine, a 70% rollback is normal, so they may not agree.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi April 30 2021 12: 10
      +14
      ACS Dana were used by Azerbaijan during the war and received a positive assessment.
      1. DDZ57
        DDZ57 April 30 2021 13: 34
        +9
        Azerbaijan has its 36 pieces. He combined 152 mm Dana self-propelled wheeled howitzers made in the Czech Republic into a separate artillery brigade, which, while quickly moving from site to site on the southern front, provided the appropriate results. The Azerbaijani side, she said, purchased the specified self-propelled guns "for the rate of fire, mobility and other outstanding tactical and technical characteristics." The Azerbaijani army also used Russian Msta-S, Pions and other artillery systems in the conflict.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 30 2021 14: 06
          +13
          Quote: DDZ57
          The Azerbaijani side, she said, purchased the specified self-propelled guns "for the rate of fire, mobility and other outstanding tactical and technical characteristics."

          There is truth in your words, but there is one nuance. The Azerbaijani side preferred deep modernization in Israel. Israeli specialists worked on a fire system, satellite communications and other innovations, and yesterday I personally spoke with a person who served in the 2nd Karabakh war and they were impressed not only by the rate of fire, but also by the accuracy of this system. I will not lie, whose version of modernization is better, the Czech version or the Israeli, but a friend told me that they fired back and immediately changed positions, and behind them there was always some truck with ammunition driving and quickly filling up ammunition ... Everything was automatic.

        2. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 30 2021 14: 10
          +3
          Quote: DDZ57
          The Azerbaijani army also used Russian Msta-S, Pions and other artillery systems in the conflict.

          Also true. In the conflict, both Peony and Msta-S were used in full, which also showed themselves excellently. Only as far as I understand, Dans can more quickly change the place of dislaktion. The comrade says the most powerful is Peony in terms of power.
      2. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev April 30 2021 15: 17
        -2
        Yes, any weapon will go against the Armenians. When there is practically no reconnaissance, counteraction, dry, movement on the roads and it will do. Weapon for rogue against even barmaley and Armenians.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 30 2021 16: 14
          +1
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Yes, any weapon will go against the Armenians. When there is practically no reconnaissance, counteraction, dry, movement on the roads and it will do. Weapon for rogue against even barmaley and Armenians.

          I agree completely.
          They are ungrateful. In the 2nd Karabakh war, the Russian side helped many of them, including from the shameful defeat of the last troops. Do you know what they say in response? Yesterday or the day before yesterday, in the Armenian parliament .......... these "ancient" and "brave" ones began to insult Russia's weapons, comparing its quality to kolosh. Ungrateful.

          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev April 30 2021 16: 32
            0
            When I studied at the military school (air defense), we had an Armenian and an Azerbaijani, both dumb as traffic jams, either only such people went to the military, or they are all like that. Well, the Armenians are not capable of mastering complex techniques and applying them, yes, they can trade. Azerbaijanis are not far away, but they have more money, and the Turks helped them.
            1. Patigorsk2020
              Patigorsk2020 April 30 2021 20: 51
              0
              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              Azerbaijanis are not far away, but they have more money, and the Turks helped them.

              I would not say that. just google famous Azerbaijanis and you will change your mind. A couple of students are not the whole of Azerbaijan. Believe me.
              1. Viktor Sergeev
                Viktor Sergeev April 30 2021 21: 24
                0
                There are also famous Armenians. The question is not how many smart people there are in the nation, but on the average level and in those who go to the army (this is for war). In the army, I encountered Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Asians, you can say about everyone the way Zadornov said about the Americans. Example: an Armenian, after 4 years of military school, knew only two words close to technology: pendot (pentode) and kandot (cathode), the Russians were expelled, and these national cadres graduated from the school. Do you know how an Armenian was pushed into a military school (according to him)? They said that they are training to be an agronomist.
                1. max702
                  max702 1 May 2021 20: 08
                  0
                  This is the meaning of fraternal people ..
      3. aszzz888
        aszzz888 1 May 2021 03: 16
        0

        Aron Zaawi (Aron)
        Yesterday, 12: 10
        mourning has been declared in Israel, there are a bunch of corpses, and here you are collecting likes!
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 1 May 2021 08: 21
          -2
          Quote: aszzz888

          Aron Zaawi (Aron)
          Yesterday, 12: 10
          mourning has been declared in Israel, there are a bunch of corpses, and here you are collecting likes!

          H'm. Nothing. They fought for what they ran into. Let their admors be blamed.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 1 May 2021 13: 04
            0

            Aron Zaawi (Aron)
            Today, 08: 21
            H'm. Nothing. They fought for what they ran into. Let their admors be blamed.
            Here she is your mean little soul. That is why you are brave here, at VO. And there is little to say where the emergency occurred? WEAK and stinky! Because as you know, they will break into molecules!
            1. atalef
              atalef 1 May 2021 13: 20
              +1
              Quote: aszzz888
              And there is little to say where the emergency occurred?

              strange, we talk about it openly in the news (central).

              Quote: aszzz888
              Because as you know, they will break into molecules!

              do we have for expressing your opinion? You are clearly beguiled something.
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 1 May 2021 13: 21
                -1

                atalef (alexander)
                Today, 13: 20

                -1
                Quote: aszzz888
                And there is little to say where the emergency occurred?

                strange, we talk about it openly in the news (central).
                I heard a ringing, but you don't know where he is. Advocate. Read and understand.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 1 May 2021 13: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: aszzz888
                  I heard a ring, but you don’t know where he is.

                  Well, you kind of wrote about mourning, so it's tomorrow, and to be honest - of course I feel sorry for people - but they are to blame - religious fanaticism is not gut.
            2. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 1 May 2021 13: 52
              0
              Quote: aszzz888
              Here she is your mean little soul. That is why you are brave here, at VO. And there is little to say where the emergency occurred? WEAK and stinky! Because as you know, they will break into molecules!

              Damn, how are you so alternatively omniscient? laughing
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 1 May 2021 06: 23
        0
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        ACS Dana were used by Azerbaijan during the war and received a positive assessment.

        Why did they throw off the video from the artillery range? These self-propelled guns were in service with the Georgian Army, in the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX and were abandoned on the highways by the Georgians ...
        So, if the enemy's command is stupid, then in Ukraine the self-propelled guns will be abandoned or destroyed by the LPNR ...
        There are a lot of barrel PAs in the APU, but the ACS after 2014-2015. has become smaller, the purchase of a Czech SPG only confirms this .... the choice of the specified SPG is successful, because any other self-propelled guns of the same caliber will be much more expensive ...
        Due to the lack of technology and competencies in Ukraine, the production of barrels for artillery (as well as small arms) weapons in the future does not give any prospects for creating its own self-propelled guns, there are no large operators of Soviet self-propelled guns in the CIS countries (except for the Russian Federation) either ...
        In 5-7 years, Ukraine will be forced to completely abandon Soviet artillery systems and switch to "enemy" weapons .... barrel wear and ammunition consumption will do their job ....
  3. pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru April 30 2021 12: 04
    +1
    I don't understand the "non-brothers", why do they need howitzers? We are not going to conquer them, let them not count. And if they go to Donbass, they will be shooted regardless of whether they have 26 Dan ...
    1. 113262a
      113262a April 30 2021 12: 15
      +8
      Why, they will, as it is now, shit on the peaceful people from the controlled territories, and immediately change their position. Who's in the way? Minsk is no alternative, no answer, and then the third world, sanctions and other crap. Yesterday - DAP and Trudovskaya area. In Donesk.
      1. pyagomail.ru
        pyagomail.ru April 30 2021 12: 21
        0
        [quote = 113262а] will, as it is now, shit on peacekeepers from the controlled territories,[/ Quote]
        They don't dare to use artillery? More mortars, small arms?
        1. 113262a
          113262a April 30 2021 12: 35
          +1
          Yesterday EXACTLY 122 d-30. About 50 arrivals. In Donetsk, an anecdote - write on the roof of the door - HERE LIVES THE OWNER OF THE PASSPORT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION. They say it helps!)))
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich April 30 2021 19: 05
        +1
        Quote: 113262
        Why, they will, as they do now, shit about peacekeepers from the controlled territories, and immediately change their position. Who will interfere?
        Organize a guerrilla movement on the land of Donbass occupied by the Nazis - beat the occupiers day and night - so that more than one weapon does not get close to the DPR and LPR at a shot distance.
        Peace will be - after the Victory good
        1. 113262a
          113262a April 30 2021 21: 19
          0
          It is easier to organize the evacuation of residents from the areas under fire to Russia. Let me remind you that the partisan movement during the Patriotic War was organized by the NKVD and the USSR People's Commissariat for Defense. Not by amateur restorers, but by the state. So -Organize a partisan movement on the land of Donbass occupied by the Nazis - beat the invaders day and night - so that not one weapon gets close to the DPR and LPR within a shot distance. It's to Shoigu and Putin! The LDNR does not have such resources.
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich April 30 2021 21: 59
            0
            Quote: 113262
            It is easier to organize the evacuation of residents from the areas under fire to Russia.
            It means to admit the DEFEAT and the loss of Donbass ... and tomorrow the Crimea will be bombarded - what will also be evacuated?

            Quote: 113262
            Let me remind you that the partisan movement during the Patriotic War was organized by the NKVD and the USSR People's Commissariat for Defense. Not by amateur restorers, but by the state.
            There are DNR awards - the title of the Hero of the DNR, the Order For Military Valor, the Medal For Military Merit, the insignia "St. George's Cross of the DNR" - awards are like those of a "real state" - that's what you need to correspond - to PROTECT YOUR PEOPLE no matter what what "Minsk pleasures".

            Quote: 113262
            The LDNR does not have such resources.
            Will FIGHT against the fascist occupation of Donbass - there will be funds ...
            And so "No peace - no war ..."
            1. 113262a
              113262a 1 May 2021 10: 14
              0
              It is clear, ZAMPOLITTO broadcasts! Some slogans! The footcloth, as I understand it, I didn't have to sniff ...
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich April 30 2021 12: 27
      -4
      Quote: pyagomail.ru
      I don't understand the "non-brothers", why do they need howitzers?

      Czechs want to profit from Ukraine, while it is still warm, no less than the rest of the banquet participants, like Poland and Bulgaria. A small fit from the hosts in the face of the USA and Germany.
    3. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke April 30 2021 18: 09
      0
      Quote: pyagomail.ru
      I don't understand the "non-brothers", why do they need howitzers?

      They don't want howitzers.
      They sell the residents of the LPR and DPR (whom they consider as their own) as targets
      for practicing technology. Lousy position.
    4. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev April 30 2021 21: 25
      0
      I explain: any foreign equipment is bought by Ukrainians for a triple price with 70% rollback. Now it is clear why they are buying?
  4. APASUS
    APASUS April 30 2021 12: 20
    -1
    Drive this car along a muddy road, because there is black soil in Ukraine. I think I won't be able to cope
    1. Grits
      Grits April 30 2021 15: 03
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Drive this car along a muddy road, because there is black soil in Ukraine.

      Why drive it through black soil? After all, Ukraine is full of normal roads. And the machine is very good. Unfortunately, we do not have anything similar yet in the series.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 4 May 2021 08: 38
        0
        Quote: Gritsa
        Why drive it through black soil?

        In your mind, the fighting goes exclusively along the roads .................
        Quote: Gritsa
        After all, Ukraine is full of normal roads.

        Don't tell this to anyone else
  5. 113262a
    113262a April 30 2021 12: 26
    +5
    The first Danes appeared among non-brothers in the 14th year - they were seen near Shirokino. But in small quantities. Almost elusive-. And very accurate.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 30 2021 12: 33
    +1
    except for the Czech Republic, not a single country was able to offer Ukraine similar wheeled self-propelled guns.
    Or maybe other countries didn’t want to offer anything? Considering recent events, it is safe to say that the Czech and the Ukrainian are twins. Only the Czechs, trying to make money, do not take into account the Ukrainian mentality, on which more than one Ukrainian partner has been burned.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich April 30 2021 13: 14
      +1
      Or maybe other countries didn’t want to offer anything?

      Other countries are pounding 404s on other fronts. They just threw a bone to the Czechs.
      Czechs trying to make money do not take into account the Ukrainian mentality, which has burned more than one Ukrainian partner.

      It seems to me that on the supplies of the Czech BMP-1 through Poland, everything has been welded. The EU will not allow itself to be thrown to Ukraine.
  7. rotfuks
    rotfuks April 30 2021 12: 39
    +2
    During the Soviet era, after Gorbachev's surrender, several military units from the Warsaw Pact countries arrived in our city. One part arrived from Hungary and were armed with Czech self-propelled howitzers "Dana". So only these howitzers left the echelon on their own. Everything else was pulled together with a crane or tractors. At the time, there were many Czech Tatra trucks in the national economy, so all these “Danes” quickly went as donors of spare parts to the Tatras. But the holiday was over quickly, all those Czech Tatras on air-cooled engines. Requires special high temperature engine oil. And such special oil simply did not exist anywhere. I don't think there is such oil in Ukraine.
  8. Tusv
    Tusv April 30 2021 12: 41
    +1
    Not well. What stops us to hand over to Malka and Peony without warheads. Donbas? Nothing
    1. Whatislove
      Whatislove April 30 2021 12: 50
      0
      The reaction of the US and the EU: we are afraid that we will be finally strangled by sanctions
      1. Tusv
        Tusv April 30 2021 12: 58
        0
        My dad took over to teach me. I took a pry bar. I say Dad's hand will hurt. From the block, the property will suffer. Bottom line. He took Father on his arms and carried him to sleep. What else could he do. I have 90 kg and KMS in SAMBO, but there is only 60 in it. Other mistresses weigh more heavily
        1. Dkuznecov
          Dkuznecov April 30 2021 21: 57
          0
          Some big deviations in the series.
          After all, oranges will not be born from aspen.
          60 kg and then bam - all 90.
          Consider that I'm kidding, of course, it can
          folder receiving.
  9. Igor Ushakov
    Igor Ushakov April 30 2021 13: 09
    +3
    We bought 26 new, modern howitzers. This is probably why we have again, from the first of May, the price of a communal apartment.
  10. Basarev
    Basarev April 30 2021 13: 24
    -9
    Excellent. The Czechs will be able to earn extra money by shoving illiquid garbage into Chlamina.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 30 2021 18: 54
      +2
      You mean this "garbage" on more accurate. Highly mobile system with a Soviet gun and AZ. And now it's also modernized.
  11. Hagen
    Hagen April 30 2021 13: 38
    +1
    It is true when it will be received is not explained, but the shells for its tests have already been purchased.

    Are these not the shells that burned down in warehouses in the Czech Republic? laughing Then you will not wait for Bogdan ... laughing
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  13. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 30 2021 14: 23
    +2
    In the course of who, the Danes can use Excalibur? Like there was infa that they can. If so, then this is bad news. They will drink a lot of blood.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 30 2021 18: 56
      0
      There is a 152mm cannon on Dan, a Soviet caliber and a Soviet cannon. I have not heard about rearmament at 155mm. Although a similar system was modernized near Slovakia, they may have supplied a NATO weapon.
  14. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 April 30 2021 16: 08
    0
    Didn't Georgia have "Dan" in the 08.08.08 war?
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 30 2021 18: 58
      0
      There were. One was even taken as a trophy. But why does a Georgian choir need a good instrument?
  15. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 30 2021 20: 27
    -2
    Judging by the buildup when firing forward - "in the biliy svit yak in a kopiichku", and when firing sideways one shot - and sideways.
  16. jovanni
    jovanni April 30 2021 20: 43
    0
    Tests of the Czech wheeled self-propelled howitzer "Dana-M2" began in Ukraine

    Somehow she managed to slip past Basharov with Petrov. This time the peasants did not keep track of ...
  17. Olegkh
    Olegkh April 30 2021 23: 23
    -1
    Okay, well done. If the hour "X" comes, there will be something to meet uninvited guests)
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 1 May 2021 03: 18
      +1
      Olegkh
      Yesterday, 23: 23
      NEW
      -1
      Okay, well done. If the hour "X" comes, there will be something to meet uninvited guests)
      Pull the saucepan over your ears harder, it will not be blown off by a blast wave! laughing
      1. Olegkh
        Olegkh 1 May 2021 07: 19
        -1
        Called - "like a puddle farted." Nothing to say on the topic?
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 1 May 2021 11: 38
          -1
          Olegkh
          Today, 07: 19

          -2
          Called - "like a puddle farted." Nothing to say on the topic?
          You don't.
          1. Olegkh
            Olegkh 1 May 2021 15: 17
            +1
            What's wrong ? I write in Russian, I do not plan to attack Russia. I just want to have a world, and our neighbors did not climb with their vision of the world.
  18. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 1 May 2021 03: 35
    0
    - "The question arises, but what about the" famous "Ukrainian self-propelled howitzer" Bogdan "caliber 155 mm" - a penny is dumb, they scraped up only one Czech one, that's enough for now. !!!,
    1. Olegkh
      Olegkh 1 May 2021 15: 55
      +1
      How much is, everything is a plus for us.
  19. Xlor
    Xlor 1 May 2021 19: 45
    -2
    The Kakel army with such self-propelled guns will be invincible!
  20. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 3 May 2021 07: 52
    0
    What a hefty barn!