"We need mobility like Russian all-terrain vehicles": the United States ordered new arctic equipment

BvS10 - armored variant

The United States is holding a tender for the supply of all-terrain vehicles for action in the Arctic. Under the CATV program, the Pentagon will have to choose between two competitors - the British company BAE Systems and the conglomerate of the American Oshkosh and Singapore's ST Engineering. The conditions of the competition provide for the supply of prototypes for testing.

Russian analogues

In April of this year, BAE announced the order by the US military department of two modifications of tracked all-terrain vehicles developed by the company - one BvS10 armored vehicle (already in service with five countries) and one unarmored Beowulf created on its basis (a new creation for an American tender). As stated, the latter has a modular design, allowing the technique to be loaded with different functionalities.

The army versions of the Russian all-terrain vehicles of the DT family are designed in a similar way. So, in the most severe version of the DT-30PM, they already carry not only special equipment (kitchens, baths, etc.), but also massive weapons systems - adapted to the Arctic conditions air defense systems "Tor-M2" and "Pantsir-SM". Now we are talking about installing the "Tornado-G" MLRS on Russian all-terrain vehicles.

Although the developer announced work on the creation of armored versions of all-terrain vehicles of the DT family, no significant progress was reported in this direction. Apparently, the bulk of Russian all-terrain vehicles enter the Arctic troops without armor. It is quite possible that the American military will also go this way.

Beowulf - unarmored variant

Loses in terms of carrying capacity

Moreover, the Pentagon is interested not only in updating its fleet of all-terrain vehicles (represented by the SUSV, known as BV206), but also in increasing the carrying capacity of Arctic equipment, which is limited by armor.

In addition to the existing vehicles reaching the end of their service life [in service since the early 1980s] and growing tensions in the Arctic between Russia and the United States, the army is looking for equipment that can carry more payload and match the all-weather and all-road mobility demonstrated by Russian all-terrain vehicles

- writes the British edition of Global Trade regarding the needs of the US Department of Defense.

However, even if the products participating in the American tender can meet the requirements for mobility, they are unlikely to be able to compete with the carrying capacity of Russian vehicles. So, "Beowulf" can carry only 8 tons (competitor to Bronco 3 - 10.2 tons), vehicles of the RF Armed Forces - from 2,5 tons for GAZ-3344-20 "Aleut" to 30 tons for DT-30PM. As a result, a small load will not allow the full use of any of the vehicles selected by the Pentagon, for example, it will not make it possible to place heavy weapon systems, such as air defense systems.

The video below shows another participant in the tender - the Bronco 3 all-terrain vehicle, a special modification of which was also ordered by the US Department of Defense in April for testing. The Americans are trying to achieve the mobility of all-terrain vehicles for the Arctic like Russian vehicles.

Comments

[rocket757]

"We need mobility like Russian all-terrain vehicles": the United States ordered new arctic equipment

... They will do it, wisdom is not great.

[nPuBaTuP]

And I am glad that the mattresses are also here in the role of catch-up ...
So not everything is so bad in this world)

[rocket757]

Can be viewed from different angles.
The most interesting thing happens when they caught up, as it seems to them, and we, it turns out, have created something better !!! And they are again in the role of catch-up!
Although, in fact, we are ahead in one, lag behind in another !!!
Eternal competition!
Guys, they are serious, rich, it's difficult to compete, but you can't stop there.

[Eugene-Eugene]

Guys, they are serious, rich, it's hard to compete

Despite the colossal budget, they export only due to their international specialization. Ship engines of the British Rolls-Royce, KAZ of the Israeli Rafael, all-terrain vehicles of the Swedish Haegglunds and so on on all fronts. This is not the USSR with an almost closed cycle.

[rocket757]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

This is not the USSR with an almost closed cycle.

There was cooperation in the USSR, international too. I have plenty of clear examples, I will be convinced of this. The degree of cooperation was different and for all important positions they tried to have appropriate production facilities on their territory.

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

Despite the colossal budget, they export only due to their international specialization.

How can this be estimated ... in my opinion it is neither good nor bad, the way it is.
Although there are very dreadful moments that, in the light of the new "environmental wave", can turn out to be sideways for those who have concentrated "dirty" industries on their territory ....
In general, it will be interesting to see how the "dirty" ones will begin to get out when the "green wave" rolls over them!
And for the "cleanliness", who self-appointed "exceptional" ones, it will be possible to collect additional ecological / dirty dues, from everyone to collect ...

[xorek]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

Guys, they are serious, rich, it's hard to compete

Despite the colossal budget, they export only due to their international specialization. Ship engines of the British Rolls-Royce, KAZ of the Israeli Rafael, all-terrain vehicles of the Swedish Haegglunds and so on on all fronts. This is not the USSR with an almost closed cycle.

Well said by the Author !!!! To the very point .. There was a closed cycle in Russia and almost everyone could produce themselves from needles to orbital stations .. Alas, all destroyed the same USA with the help of agents of influence .. Now we are trying to recover, but difficult .. As in the joke And that the Russians only will not come up with, just not to build good roads!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

And I am glad that the mattresses are also here in the role of catch-up ...
So not everything is so bad in this world)

What are the catch-ups?

The Swedes made their first articulated transporter in 1974.
10 years earlier than ours.
And immediately they put a recoilless cannon and an ATGM on it.

And not only is it used by everyone, including our merchants, since its platform has existed for almost 50 years, it will also live for another 50 years as a basis.
The fact that they did not make 10 and 30 ton vehicles - everything is clear here - they are not going to organize large military operations where the Far North is. For this is truly impossible.


Here I always have a question of expediency.
Just mind you not the experience of the Second World War, but modern realities.
Will there be real fighting where such transporters are needed?
Logic, you just realize that such transporters are swamps, permafrost, ice crossings.
Those. where it is impossible to provide a soldier with warmth, food, relative comfort, but why there - just trenches - is impossible in principle ...

And it will be extremely problematic to provide an enemy in the swamps of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug or on the ice floes of the Kara Sea ...

Therefore, this type of transporters seems to exist - but the need for it for the army seems to be zero ...
On the islands of the Arctic - it is easier to deliver stationary equipment by ships and air ...

[APASUS]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

And I am glad that the mattresses are also here in the role of catch-up ...
So not everything is so bad in this world)

There is nothing especially to be happy about. With their material capabilities, there will be a queue of manufacturers. They will catch up and overtake very quickly.

[Dikson]

Their engines, of course, will be cooler .. But we have so much experience in the Arctic .. so much technology has already been created, time-tested both in the Arctic and Antarctica .. Let them catch up ..

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Dikson

But we have so much experience in the Arctic .. so much technology has already been created, time-tested both in the Arctic and the Antarctic .. Let them catch up ..

They are catching up ..?))) What is your optimism based on? They will have more Arctic and Antarctic stations and more wintering grounds than ours. The technique is at the level of survival in a cold, unfavorable climate and terrain. Do you keep them for "fools" here?

[Thunderbolt]

It is not patriotic, but I dare to assure you that, for example, American paratroopers from Alaska are quite adapted to operations in the cold.

[SpbGenn]

Inoperative device on video. There is no rigid joint. With excitement, there will be no control.

[rotmistr60]

Need mobility like Russian ATVs

It turns out that the existing mobility is not enough, the equipment of a soldier with the Arctic is not quite at odds, with ships of ice passability a blockage, but at the same time, as the British publication notes, "tensions in the Arctic between Russia and the United States are growing." He just forgets to add that it is not the fault of Russia.

[Cananecat]

Now we are talking about installing the "Tornado-G" MLRS on Russian all-terrain vehicles.

Come on ... let's just stick in the Solntsepek ... The Arctic won't melt from one volley. )

[Eugene-Eugene]

The air defense system was attached, what's the problem with the Grad?

[Bad_gr]

Although the developer announced work on the creation of armored versions of all-terrain vehicles of the DT family, no significant progress was reported in this direction.