In the Ukrainian media: Russia is going to shoot down the UAV Bayraktar with "Lancets"

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In Ukraine, they are reacting to statements by Russian experts that Russia has effective means of countering strike and reconnaissance drones "Bayraktar" of Turkish production, which is in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We are talking about the latest Russian drones "Lancet", with the help of which a new generation air defense system can be built. Such a system can become an insurmountable obstacle for various drones, including the aforementioned Bayraktar-TB2.

The Ukrainian edition of Defense Express, jealous of the statements about the possibility of shooting down the Bayraktar UAVs with the Lancet, writes that Russia is "spreading lies about the world's first weapons."



Russia is going to shoot down UAV Bayraktar with "Lancets", another lie about "the first in the world" weapons

- this is how the headline sounds in the Ukrainian media.

This is the world's first so-called "air mining" system, which is being created by Russian specialists. In general, Ukrainian journalists and military experts reacted very violently to the fact that the Russian system would neutralize UAVs that would try to operate in the zone of such a system. Phrases are published that the system allegedly “will not be effective”.

Moreover, these judgments are not supported by any facts or calculations.

Apparently, Ukraine has serious plans for the use of the Bayraktar-TB2 drones purchased from Turkey, otherwise why such a violent reaction to the information voiced by Russian experts about the developed "aerial mining" with the help of loitering drones (ammunition)?

"Lancet" is a Russian development, which is a loitering ammunition or "kamikaze" drone. "Lancets" are able to stay in the air for a long time (tens of hours), waiting for a convenient moment to strike. This is a highly accurate and effective weapon, which, in addition, is almost invisible to enemy radars.
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  1. +5
    April 30 2021 08: 45
    In the Ukrainian media: Russia is going to shoot down the UAV Bayraktar with "Lancets"
    ... Media Kukuevskie, their experts .... is that a topic for discussion ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    Can we also remember about British scientists?
    1. +7
      April 30 2021 08: 49
      Quote: rocket757
      Can we also remember about British scientists?

      One tablet is enough ... i.e. shoot down once ...))
    2. -14
      April 30 2021 09: 10
      Already 2-3 years ago they tried to stop the "Ukrainian syndrome" - everyone shouts how great we are, but from Shein to VO and regional newspapers they talk about uhrov without stopping.
      maybe it's time to stop mentioning at least superlatives here - "they reacted very violently."
      the outskirts live their own lives and a small part of the politicians and comments about the Russian Federation are only part of the interest in the world. warmed up, yes. Should we play along with them?
      1. +5
        April 30 2021 09: 14
        In the Ukrainian media: Russia is going to shoot down the UAV Bayraktar with "Lancets"

        Just Yes Surgical instrument for extremely precise cuts.

        Lancet of the Tsar, later the Emperor of All Russia - Peter I, the Great.

        1. +1
          April 30 2021 10: 55
          Peter 1 still liked to pull out teeth. Naturally without anesthesia. wink smile
  2. -4
    April 30 2021 08: 47
    I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?
    1. +2
      April 30 2021 08: 57
      I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?
      ..... it all depends on the operator's salary ... if the sergeant, then less if the leitech, then more
      1. -40
        April 30 2021 09: 44
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        it all depends on the operator's pay

        In our country, it depends on the sawmill.
        1. +9
          April 30 2021 12: 35
          In your home? Who would doubt that.
          1. -6
            April 30 2021 14: 52
            Quote: Mini Mokik
            In your home?

            In Honduras! wink
            Damn, what planet are you from? Rosgvardia buys food at times inflated prices, it is documented, check it out on the public procurement website, and do you really think that everything is fair in the Ministry of Defense? When MO presented an unmanned quadrocopter for five years, its price was several times higher than a quadric with much better performance characteristics on Aliexpress.
            When the "Newest" Army Snowmobile is worth several times more than the most sophisticated Bombardier model, isn't it a cut? fool
            1. +4
              April 30 2021 18: 06
              You know, an army snowmobile is by definition more expensive than your favorite bombardier. Since reliability is needed, which neither "bom" nor "Yamaha" nor any other foreign country can provide. The indigenous peoples of the Far North are provided with snowmobiles free of charge. There is such a program. And somehow these indigenous peoples were slipped not "Burany", but "Yamaha" (unfortunately, I do not remember the model). After that, no one there took anything except "Buran". The explanation was simple: in winter "Buran" was drowned in a swamp by accident - in the spring it pulled it out, cleaned it and go further. And "pits" and "boms" after this only go to the landfill. Army snowmobiles should be even more reliable than store-bought Burana. And if you force "Bomov" and "Yamov" to make the same reliable snowmobiles, then it will be cheaper to buy helicopters in a 1: 1 ratio
              1. -8
                April 30 2021 21: 23
                Quote: Stroibat stock
                And somehow these indigenous peoples were slipped not "Burans", but "Yamaha" (unfortunately, I do not remember the model

                Do you yourself believe in it? In what technologically advanced Artik cat, Bombardier, etc., with heated handles, and other nishtyaks, did reindeer herders prefer Buranam? belay You just don't tell them these tales, okay? wink
                1. +3
                  1 May 2021 08: 55
                  It is strange that it was the reindeer breeders who were telling what rubbish these "Yamaha" and other toys were. This is a technique for the rich - I went for an hour, then half a day of maintenance, cleaning and lubrication - and into a warm box for a week, until the next rides.
                  1. -4
                    1 May 2021 17: 36
                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    that it was the reindeer breeders who were telling what rubbish these "Yamaha" and other toys were.

                    I heard exactly the opposite, from people who went there on watch.
                    1. 0
                      1 May 2021 17: 57
                      Shift workers and local residents are different people, did you know? In addition, just imagine: a shift worker sitting in one place for the whole shift (not sitting, but running like an elk, but around a point) and a Chukchi, Nenets, Evenk, etc. this herd constantly roams, transports its chum, belongings ... And puts a chum at each camp, and next to it a concrete heated box for storing and servicing a snowmobile? Don't you think this is nonsense ?. By the way, the current "Burans" are also equipped with insulation, heated steering wheel and other pribluds. But they work, unlike "pits", "boms" and other "where-tokets"
              2. +3
                1 May 2021 20: 17
                You tell him about the purchase of ordinary hammers for the Pentagon in the 60s for 2 dollars .. Although do not tell, I will not believe it anyway .. They have their own reality in the 000th ..
        2. +2
          April 30 2021 12: 36
          "... In our country, it depends on the sawmill.
          ..."
          - that's just not "in our country" - Russia, but "in yours" ... I don't know which one ...
    2. +2
      April 30 2021 08: 57
      The question is not so much in the cost, but in why Russia can start shooting down the Bayraktars of Ukraine. These drones will fly over Ukraine, Russia is not going to shoot them down, but if they want to shoot them over Russia, then let them not ask, " ", there" Lancets "for bayraktar will not do.
      1. +1
        April 30 2021 11: 05
        I think it is premature to "mine" the sky from Ukraine. This weapon is apparently used during combat operations planned as part of serious events.
        This is the world's first so-called "air mining" system, which is being created by Russian specialists ....
        "Lancet" is a Russian development, which is a loitering ammunition or "kamikaze" drone. "Lancets" are able to stay in the air for a long time (tens of hours), waiting for a convenient moment to strike.
        In other words, block certain parts of the airspace for the duration of the operation. Just in case, they will not be used, they will manage by other means, a massive attack by bayraktar, I think, is not foreseen on the side of Ukraine.
        1. +2
          April 30 2021 11: 59
          Quote: NIKNN
          block certain parts of the airspace for the duration of the operation.

          Use the Chinese "experience": Combine "Lancet" with MLRS ...
    3. +2
      April 30 2021 09: 00
      I think it's okay! hi
    4. +11
      April 30 2021 09: 04
      I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

      And the cost of Bayraktar should be the minimum of its cost and the cost of the damage that will be caused as a result of its exploration or other activities.
      1. +10
        April 30 2021 09: 08
        Quote: mark2
        And the cost of Bayraktar should be the minimum of its cost and the cost of the damage that will be caused as a result of its exploration or other activities.

        Holy words!
        I myself always thought so when Thor and the Armor of Liberda were talking about the expensive missiles and the Thor and the Armor of the Liberda spent on primitive airplanes (Better to give this money to the Pioneers and Pensioners!).
        1. +4
          April 30 2021 09: 46
          Quote: mark2
          And the cost of Bayraktar should be the minimum of its cost and the cost of the damage that will be caused as a result of its exploration or other activities.

          Quote: Victor_B
          Holy words!


          One has only to add that PLUS the capabilities acquired by the troops in the absence of an air threat. And it doesn't matter whose troops it is - the RF Armed Forces or our 1st and 2nd AK ...
      2. +1
        April 30 2021 11: 56
        Quote: mark2
        I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

        And the cost of Bayraktar should be the minimum of its cost and the cost of the damage that will be caused as a result of its exploration or other activities.

        Well this is how expensive then the "Lancet" that knocked down Bayraktar will be.
        The cost of the lancet + the cost of the bayraktar + the cost of the potential damage it could cause.
        like in a rhyme Marshak right ...
        Here is the house,
        Which was built by Jack.

        And this is wheat,
        Which is stored in a dark closet
        In home,
        Which was built by Jack.

        And this is a funny bird-tit,
        Who often steals wheat,
        Which is stored in a dark closet
        In home,
        Which was built by Jack.

        Here is a cat,
        Who scares and catches the bird,
        Who often steals wheat ...

        And so on
        1. 0
          April 30 2021 12: 53
          Well this is how expensive then the "Lancet" that knocked down Bayraktar will be.
          The cost of the lancet + the cost of the bayraktar + the cost of the potential damage it could cause.

          Nah. Here the arithmetic is different. The cost of the Lancet minus everything specified except for the bayraktar.
          If a bayraktar aimed a rocket at, say, a fuel and lubricants warehouse, and a lancet hits him, then the warehouse will remain intact. I think that a warehouse full of fuel for tanks and aircraft will be much more expensive. The lancet can turn out to be about nothing compared to the cost of rebuilding.
      3. 0
        April 30 2021 12: 43
        Quote: mark2
        And the cost of Bayraktar should be the minimum of its cost and the cost of the damage that will be caused as a result of its exploration or other activities.

        Nonsense!

        For Baraktars, several points are important that determine the cost of ownership: its integrated purchase cost, plus the cost of maintenance and training activities (storage, runways, crews, supplies ....).

        For the "Lancet" it is important to have an order of magnitude lower cost, since it must always be located in the place of the intended use of "Bayraktar", ie. there should be a lot (like any air defense).
        True, the Lancet's main purpose is to strike ground targets, which increases its likelihood of use (usefulness).
    5. +4
      April 30 2021 09: 17
      "Lancet" - much cheaper, because it is a disposable system, "kamikaze drone". It loiters for hours in the area of ​​the enemy's use of the UAV, detects them from several kilometers, approaches, using its more than two-fold speed advantage, and self-detonates.
      1. -2
        April 30 2021 09: 51
        It loiters for hours in the area of ​​the enemy's use of the UAV, detects them from several kilometers, approaches, using its more than two-fold speed advantage, and self-detonates.
        According to the flight characteristics on the manufacturer's website, the flight time of the lancet-3 is 40 minutes, and the speed is lower than that of the bayraktar. zala-aero.com/production/bvs/zala-lancet-3/
        1. +1
          April 30 2021 10: 02
          The manufacturer's website can be cunning. "Lancet" loiters in "economical mode" at speeds up to 100 km / h, and after detecting a target it accelerates to 300 km / h. I do not know how true this information is, but if they are talking about intercepting a piston drone, it means that the Lancet can actually accelerate, otherwise there can be no question of any interception in principle.
          1. -8
            April 30 2021 10: 07
            Don't fantasize. UAVs, including military ones, are a hot commodity. If you declare false information and you are caught in a lie, then you can close the production.
            1. 0
              April 30 2021 10: 11
              This is not about false data, but about partially not subject to publication. Let's say they indicated the cruising speed, not the maximum - that's all. Then everyone thinks out to the best of their own licentiousness.
              1. -1
                April 30 2021 10: 22
                You will also say that this is a secret of special importance. laughing... Apparently, you are also thinking out the characteristics of all weapons in a direction convenient for you. Very handy for internet chatting. Thank goodness the manufacturers of real technology don't do this.
                1. +2
                  April 30 2021 10: 26
                  In this case, I am just quoting the chief engineer of the Zala Aero Group, Alexander Zakharov, about accelerating the Lancet to 300 km / h. It is not said whether in a dive state, or when using some accelerators, or special modification is already particular.
                  1. -3
                    April 30 2021 10: 33
                    I quote the chief engineer of the Zala Aero Group, Alexander Zakharov, about the acceleration of the "Lancet" to 300 km / h
                    Link please?
                    1. +2
                      April 30 2021 10: 39
                      Yes, somehow, the entire Internet is crammed with this information. Immediately, offhand: https://rg.ru/2021/04/17/primenenie-rossijskogo-drona-kamikadze-pokazali-na-video.html https://lenta.ru/news/2021/04/18/lancet /
                      1. -4
                        April 30 2021 10: 48
                        Very good. This means that in a dive, maybe 300.
                    2. +1
                      April 30 2021 10: 42
                      By the way, on the "tape", it is said that speed is gained in a dive. But, again, how true this information is - we will find out only after years.
          2. +2
            April 30 2021 10: 14
            Quote: Roma-1977
            if we are talking about intercepting a piston drone, it means that the Lancet can actually accelerate, otherwise there can be no question of any interception in principle


            And there are no contradictions No. With a "modest" loitering speed, the Lancet can occupy a higher echelon than a potential target and attack with a dive and, accordingly, a significant gain in speed.
            Fortunately, its aerodynamic design contributes to this.
            1. 0
              April 30 2021 10: 17
              Or - an attack on a collision course. Also an option.
            2. -1
              April 30 2021 12: 58
              Quote: Insurgent
              The Lancet can occupy a higher echelon than a potential target and attack with a dive and, accordingly, a significant gain in speed.

              The flight altitude of "Bayraktar" is up to eight kilometers. I doubt very much that the Lancet is capable of climbing even higher. They are not rivals.

              Oops, Vladimir_2U has already unsubscribed on this topic. I beg your pardon.
            3. 0
              1 May 2021 07: 33
              can not. and if you could, what to do with autonomy? and with a guidance system? and the advantage in speed is still necessary - Bayraktar will fly exactly to the Lancet in 0,00 ... 001% of cases. Turns a little more to the left, and you won't catch up
          3. -3
            April 30 2021 12: 03
            Quote: Roma-1977
            The manufacturer's website can be cunning.

            they are cunning ... talking about the destruction of enemy drones
        2. +1
          April 30 2021 12: 14
          It would be unreasonable to assume that the Lancet-Air Defense will be identical to the Kamikaze UAVs Lancet-1 and Lancet-3! "Lancet-PVO" will be a "derivative" of the former "lancets"! In particular, they are going to increase the duration of the UAV's stay in the air due to the abandonment of warheads with explosives! This approach will increase both the speed and the ceiling of the "air mine"! It is possible that there is a possibility of creating a "Lancet-Air Defense" and with a rocket booster ... I think that the "lancet" scheme will allow it!
          1. 0
            1 May 2021 06: 17
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            In particular, they are going to increase the duration of the UAV's stay in the air due to the rejection of warheads with explosives! This approach will increase both the speed and the ceiling of the "air mine"! !
            air defense balloon
            Aerial mine
            aerial mine

            Want to beat Bayraktar TV-2 with the Lancet UAV ... strike at Bayraktar TV-2 standing on the ground. "Turok" works with rockets and gliding bombs, which strike at a distance of up to 8 km ... "Turok" can patrol at an altitude of 8 km - 24 hours 30 minutes ... It is stated that the "Turk" can be equipped with an AFAR radar.
            1. 0
              1 May 2021 13: 36
              Quote: cat Rusich
              "Turok" can hover at an altitude of 8 km - 24 hours 30 minutes ...

              Everything is "comparative and relative", as he said ... no, not Einstein, but Izya to his neighbor Sonya! Are you sure that the "tractor" (as one of the "opponents" put it ...) loiters for 24 hours with full load? what request
              1. 0
                1 May 2021 19: 40
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                ! Are you sure that the "tractor" (as one of the "opponents" put it ...) loiters for 24 hours with full load? what request
                To "loit" you need an aerodynamic scheme (shape) similar to vulture - a large wing area to "hang in the air" - to move at low speed, spending energy at a minimum.
                And in order to attack an enemy UAV, you need speed and maneuverability to catch up with the "Turk" and not miss it (a hint of the absence of a warhead or low power of a warhead) - how to combine different aerodynamic tasks?
                I suggest -
                Do not philosophize sly - make a UAV fighter ...
                In fact - a Bayrakayter with radar and air-to-air missiles.
                To detect enemy UAVs by a control signal - a controlled UAV must "respond" to a control signal - informing its position, show a video signal to detect a target, etc., etc. - it is not necessary to decode a coded signal - it is aimed at a "target" along it
                1. 0
                  1 May 2021 22: 40
                  I agree that the "air mining" proposed by the firm is just a concept so far! Everything is "damp and contrived"! It is possible that this "ideological proposal" will eventually be rejected, after being tested empirically! Only one thing is clear ... combat UAVs will not be left "alone" now! They were taken seriously! And there are already several "proposals" to use UAV fighters with missiles, "recoilless" grenade launchers, and shotguns to combat drones! It remains to wait a bit and we will see practical results! Yes
          2. 0
            1 May 2021 07: 42
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            increase the duration of the UAV's stay in the air are going to be due to the abandonment of warheads with explosives! This approach will increase both the speed and the ceiling of the "air mine"! It is possible that there is a possibility of creating a "Lancet-Air Defense" and with a rocket booster ... I think that the "lancet" scheme will allow it!

            not. will not allow. a new engine is needed for both speed and altitude. Again, where does the autonomy come from, if you removed one weight, added another + a new guidance system is needed. So he will grow up to Bayraktar. in fact, the company has none of this, no air defense drone, only promises and a cartoon.
            1. 0
              1 May 2021 13: 26
              You didn't read my comment very carefully! About the "lancet" without warheads is part of the commentary! But the comment also contains: "It would be unreasonable to assume that the Lancet-Air Defense will be identical to the Kamikaze UAVs Lancet-1 and Lancet-3! The Lancet-Air Defense" will be a "derivative" of the former "lancets"! "..." Derived ", Karl! request
              1. 0
                1 May 2021 14: 06
                CHTD. There is no Air Defense Lancet, even in perspective. Even at the office. the site is among the "promises" and on the video from the company, and in theory there are no such characteristics to eliminate Bayraktar. Another noodles for public money for orders and grants
      2. +1
        1 May 2021 00: 25
        detects them from several kilometers,


        With the help of what from several kilometers? I launch radio-controlled airplanes. The equipment provides several kilometers, but in fact I don't let go beyond 200 meters. It is no longer clear where he is flying. Looks like a cross. The coloring is not visible. The wingspan is 60 cm. You will not see any Bayraktar visually from several kilometers. Only by chance. Radar is needed. The flight speed is small, commensurate with Bayraktar. While he rises and catches up, he will complete the task and fly away.
    6. -19
      April 30 2021 09: 18
      Quote: Victor_B
      I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

      The probability to shoot down is more important here, and it is near-zero.
      1. -3
        April 30 2021 10: 06
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        The probability to shoot down is more important here, and it is near-zero.

        Where does this follow?

        Do you take into account the likelihood that the "Lancet-Air Defense" will be equipped with a detection system and hitting a target in terms of characteristics close to surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles?
        1. -7
          April 30 2021 10: 12
          Quote: Insurgent
          Do you take into account the likelihood that the "Lancet-Air Defense" will be equipped with a detection system and hitting a target in terms of characteristics close to surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles?
          You will compare the flight characteristics of the Lancet and Bayraktar, otherwise comparing the BP with a speed of 150 km and a ceiling of 5000 meters and an anti-aircraft missile is the level of an ukroexpert.
          1. +3
            April 30 2021 10: 25
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            You will compare the flight characteristics of the Lancet and Bayraktar, otherwise comparing the BP with a speed of 150 km and a ceiling of 5000 meters and an anti-aircraft missile is the level of an ukroexpert.

            Excuse me, are your convolutions turned so that they can only move in one plane?

            Airspace, "sky" it "3D" Yes lol

            Elementary logic, or at least imagination, is not enough to understand that the "Lancets", loitering above potential target, will hit them in a dive, while developing a significantly higher speed than 150 km / h, well, or, as it was also assumed here (as an option), on a collision course?
            1. -3
              April 30 2021 10: 39
              Quote: Insurgent
              Sorry, your convolutions are turned so that they can only move in one plane.
              Your convolutions are exactly "expert" for ukromaner only.


              And here is an example:
              Quote: Insurgent
              "Lancets", loitering above a potential target, will hit them in a dive
              The Lancet has a ceiling of 5000 m maximum, Bai-r 8000 m, estimate with your convolutions how quickly the Lancet "dives" up to 3000 meters. And this is not counting the lack of detection equipment at the Lancet complex, the absence of a seeker for air targets at the Lancet itself.
          2. -1
            April 30 2021 10: 54
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            You will compare the flight characteristics of the Lancet and Bayraktar, otherwise comparing the BP with a speed of 150 km and a ceiling of 5000 meters and an anti-aircraft missile is the level of an ukroexpert.

            Well ... "Ukroexperta level" is to shake such "TTX" UAV "Lancet" (like you), about which the developer himself does not speak.

            Moreover, against the background of the fact that unknown what model "Lancet" are we talking about - 1? , 2? , 3? ...
            1. -2
              April 30 2021 14: 38
              Quote: Insurgent
              Well ... "Ukroexperta level" is to shake such "TTX" UAV "Lancet" (like you), about which the developer himself does not speak.

              In general, the appearance and weight of the Lancet-3 is more than enough to estimate the characteristics, and the altitude and speed are clearly not its strengths. Like elementary logic for you.
        2. +2
          April 30 2021 10: 16
          No, there is a television system. It detects and identifies the visible silhouette of an aerial target, not its heat trail or radar mark. In the case of low-speed targets such as piston drones, this is quite a trivial task.
      2. +2
        1 May 2021 00: 35
        it is near-zero.


        Well, why did you throw in the minuses? She is really near zero. On TV, a video with the Lancet was shown with the attack of the object. It is not clear how the operator could see anything at all. So the target was motionless. Explored in advance.
        You try to grab a pair of binoculars, cover your ears (so you don't hear it), and look for a seagull in the sky. And only through optics. Not just looking over your eyes. Tired of tracking. There is nothing for a clear eye to catch on to.
    7. +5
      April 30 2021 09: 19
      I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

      Like the plane and the rocket that the plane fires, since the lancet is a disposable ammunition and everything is designed for one flight. The point is different, I doubt that with such wings and such a propeller, the Lancet will be able to climb 8 km, discover and catch up with Bayraktar
      1. +1
        April 30 2021 09: 39
        I doubt that with such wings and such a propeller, the Lancet will be able to climb 8 km, discover and catch up with Bayraktar

        Bayraktar: Cruising speed: 130 km / h, Ceiling: 8200 m.
        Lancet: The speed range is 80-110 km / h, the manufacturer does not declare the ceiling, but for the rest of its civilian drones it is 5000 m.
      2. +1
        April 30 2021 09: 45
        Quote: loki565
        I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

        Like the plane and the rocket that the plane fires, since the lancet is a disposable ammunition and everything is designed for one flight. The point is different, I doubt that with such wings and such a propeller, the Lancet will be able to climb 8 km, detect and catch up Bayraktar

        ===
        I will assume and write that the Baikatar works on targets at 6-7 km, and then the Turk has no advantage in speed on a collision course and at an angle. the main thing is to get close and imperceptible.
        1. +1
          April 30 2021 10: 30
          How will he find it, visually? Well, this is a so-so solution. Then it's easier, to increase in size and modify such a system, it will be cheaper and reusable)))

          1. 0
            April 30 2021 10: 43
            Quote: loki565
            How will he find it, visually?

            ===
            ) here to the specialists for answers or here to read https://www.sut.ru/doci/nauka/journal/2018_2/87-93.pdf
          2. 0
            April 30 2021 11: 52
            I like this "flying shotgun" too! Of course, in the "initial" form of a particularly great sense from this concept, you will not wait ... but "dashing trouble is the beginning!" It is desirable to refine this concept! Now there are anti-helicopter mines PVM and anti-roof mines of the “classic” type ... On the basis of the concept of a shotgun, it is possible to create anti-helicopter / anti-drone and anti-tank “mines of a new generation”! The main pleasure for the military is that such "new mines" can wait "in the wings" for days!
          3. 0
            April 30 2021 12: 07
            Modern optoelectronic systems are able to visually detect targets, for example, on the Su-35, optics recognize a fighter-type target at a distance of under 80 kilometers (possibly more). The Turks said about their "Bayraktar" that it recognizes targets at a distance of up to 40 km. I assume that the Bayraktar-type target will be automatically detected and identified by the Lancet at a distance of over 10 km.
            1. +2
              April 30 2021 13: 11
              Quote: Roma-1977
              I assume that the Bayraktar-type target will be automatically detected and identified by the Lancet at a distance of over 10 km.

              I must correct you.

              The Lancet does not have the ability to detect targets on a wide front. It is easier to give target designation from a ground station, for example: "Magister-SV" (https://topwar.ru/181489-novejshij-kompleks-upravlenija-pvo-magistr-sv-poshel-v-seriju.html).

              And the use of the Lancet for air defense is justified only in the case of intercepting slow UAVs above 2-5 km, where there is no access for MANPADS and artillery ZPK ("Derivation" + various combat vehicles with 23mm and 30mm) and close air defense systems ("Osa", "Sosna", ...).
              1. 0
                April 30 2021 15: 20
                Again, a nuance: the close air defense systems find themselves in the area affected by the Bayraktars, and the Lancet itself is an attacking object, with a range of up to 40 km, but at low altitudes. A sort of "long arm" of close air defense.
                1. +1
                  April 30 2021 15: 25
                  Quote: Roma-1977
                  nuance: close air defense systems are in the affected area "Bayraktars"

                  Close ZPK and SAM are means of defense against various types of weapons: mortars, MLRS, ATGM, air-to-ground ...

                  They don't give a damn about Roketsan!

                  Quote: Roma-1977
                  and the "Lancet" itself is an attacking object, with a range of up to 40 km, but at low altitudes.

                  Low heights? Not specific ...
                  The electric motor does not have high-altitude starvation like an internal combustion engine.
                  1. 0
                    April 30 2021 15: 53
                    There is no high-altitude hunger, but there is a low rate of climb when climbing. That is, when climbing to 6 km, its combat radius is at least halved.
                    1. 0
                      April 30 2021 16: 04
                      Quote: Roma-1977
                      but there is a low rate of climb when climbing. That is, when climbing to 6 km, its combat radius is at least halved.

                      You are warm and soft ....

                      The rate of climb is measured in meters (altitude) per second and does not change until the battery runs out. Electric aircraft usually have a higher power density (and climb rate).

                      Yes, climb is a change (increase) in the potential energy of the aircraft, which is sucked out of the battery and the range decreases. But there is also significant compensation for range through planning.
                      1. 0
                        April 30 2021 16: 09
                        You can plan. With dead batteries.
                      2. +1
                        April 30 2021 16: 15
                        Quote: Roma-1977
                        You can plan. With dead batteries.

                        About:
                        with an aerodynamic quality of 10, from a height of 6 km - it will land after 60 km.
                        And accordingly, 30 km - up to a height of 3 km.

                        And the remainder of the battery energy is always reserved for control, communication and a beacon.
            2. +2
              1 May 2021 00: 42
              ... for example, on the Su-35, optics recognize


              You are absolutely right.
              It is the optical-electronic complex that can.
              There is no such thing on the Lancet. Good optics are expensive, not disposable, and weigh a lot.
    8. +2
      April 30 2021 09: 19
      Quote: Victor_B
      I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

      Here you also need to consider the potential harm that an enemy drone can inflict.
    9. +3
      April 30 2021 09: 27
      I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

      One complex of bayrat tractors costs $ 70 million, it includes 3 control stations for 6 UAVs + additional equipment, this is without weapons. Officially, the price of "Lentset-3" was not announced, but according to "Kalashnikov" it costs less than 3OF39 / M "Krasnopol" and it costs $ 35000 ...
    10. -2
      April 30 2021 12: 27
      Quote: Victor_B
      I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?
      Well, you can, of course, figure out ... a cucumber to your nose! "Lancet" is a conflict ... "tractor" is a petrol one .... How much is petrol at the gas station and what are the rates for lycricity in the regions?
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  4. +5
    April 30 2021 09: 00
    What is the opinion of Ukrainian "experts"?
    How mad they shouted about the arrival of Bandera, who supposedly will come and put things in order.
    Have you come? Have you guided?
    And the Lancet will put things in order, and not only with the Bayraktars ... bully
  5. +7
    April 30 2021 09: 01
    Why are they so excited on the "Lancet"? He is not the only tool against Bayraktar. winked I was always surprised at the strange combination of hohlyat's cunning and naivety. After the Karabakh events, they decided that the UAV was a "weapon of the reign", not taking into account what ours did with the UAV in Syria.
  6. -4
    April 30 2021 09: 11
    Yeah ... The habit of khokhlonovosti cannot be interrupted.

    a bit "Going", and .... three paragraphs of correspondence PR of not yet existing systems ....
  7. +2
    April 30 2021 09: 16
    "Lancet" is a Russian development, which is a loitering ammunition or "kamikaze" drone. "Lancets" are able to stay in the air for a long time (tens of hours), waiting for the right moment to hit.

    Interestingly, if such a moment does not come (the Bayraktars do not arrive), will the Lancet return home or will it self-destruct?
    1. 0
      April 30 2021 10: 07
      It will self-destruct. Landing is not provided for him.
      1. 0
        April 30 2021 10: 58
        Quote: Roma-1977
        Landing is not provided for him.

        You could attach a parachute
      2. 0
        April 30 2021 11: 42
        I am here oak oak, but my sofa thinks: "Lancet" should work in the interception. The guidance station spotted Bayraktar and took off: Lancet.
        Although again speed and ceiling are of great importance
  8. HAM
    +8
    April 30 2021 09: 27
    They rushed around with the Javelins like fools, now with the Baikartars, this is unbeatable, invincible in its stupidity .... this is how they will make a vigorous bonba ..... this is how a cosmodrome will be built .... this is how a satellite will be launched ... .. !!! crying
  9. 0
    April 30 2021 09: 32
    And what is wrong ?
    If we leave aside the "very violent reaction", then in essence the Khokhloexperds are not so wrong.
    The lancet flies much lower
    His camera is not very good.
    It is disposable - which is not good.
    His speed is not at all 2 times higher.
    So for the purposes of organizing "air mining" the Lancet still needs to be altered and altered. And in order to also catch bayraktars, then in general a new one must be invented.
    1. +5
      April 30 2021 09: 48
      So if "air mining", then why catch that? Flies nearby (in the affected area) - amazes. Doesn't fly - no. Conventional mines, when placed correctly (in the right place), are quite effective. And they are completely motionless.
    2. +3
      April 30 2021 10: 03
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      It is disposable - which is not good.

      laughing laughing laughing Here is the point: any mine is by default disposable. Yes
      1. -1
        April 30 2021 11: 06
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Here's the deal: any mine is a one-time shot by default.

        But not any.
        Again, he buried an ordinary mine / tied it to a peg, and it can stand for years until it is removed, and the Lancet flew and flew, if it did not meet anyone, then it does not know how to return home. We'll have to spend and send a new one in its place, but it's not worth three kopecks at all. So disposability is not just bad, but critically unacceptable.
    3. +1
      April 30 2021 10: 08
      Naturally, attacking air targets will be another modification of the Lancet. Specificity imposes other requirements for the product.
  10. +4
    April 30 2021 09: 38
    What else can the Ukrainian media write? Will they really write that Russia has new means of dealing with both ground targets and UAVs? Therefore, there is no need to discuss.
  11. +1
    April 30 2021 10: 00
    Apparently, Ukraine has serious plans for the use of the Bayraktar-TB2 drones purchased from Turkey,
    Tabako-Natsiks have seen enough videos from the N. Karabakh conflict, and they think that they will succeed. laughing Outrageously naive! fool
  12. +1
    April 30 2021 10: 10
    Quote: vic02
    It loiters for hours in the area of ​​the enemy's use of the UAV, detects them from several kilometers, approaches, using its more than two-fold speed advantage, and self-detonates.
    According to the flight characteristics on the manufacturer's website, the flight time of the lancet-3 is 40 minutes, and the speed is lower than that of the bayraktar. zala-aero.com/production/bvs/zala-lancet-3/

    In fact, Zakharov (chief designer) voiced the speed of 300 km / h (unless, of course, that one was meant)
    1. -1
      April 30 2021 10: 29
      Quote: Tagan
      In fact, the developer voiced the speed of 300 km / h (unless, of course, that one was meant)

      On a dive, for which there is no advantage in altitude, over the Bayr "for sure.
      1. +2
        April 30 2021 12: 44
        for which there is no advantage in height, over Bayr "for sure.
        ...... in migratory birds. and indeed birds, there are no advantages over jet aircraft ... nevertheless, the statistics are very sad if there are collisions with birds ...
  13. 0
    April 30 2021 10: 20
    Quote: Roma-1977
    It will self-destruct. Landing is not provided for him.

    You can always find who to plant wink
  14. -2
    April 30 2021 10: 47
    The appearance of the "Lancet" does not allow us to assume that it has high flight performance, therefore the probability of a successful interception of a UAV is apparently extremely low.
    1. +1
      April 30 2021 12: 51
      the probability of a successful UAV interception is apparently extremely low.
      .... tethered balloons during WWII did not have any speed at all ... nevertheless, the bombers were invented by paravans-sling cutters ... so if you think about why this device was invented if the balloon was meaningless
  15. +2
    April 30 2021 11: 21
    God grant that all these UAVs only virtually "swing".
    Most likely these: "Bayraktars" are not so unique that they would not cope with it. Probably, in Russia, and in China and in the USA and in Israel, there are analogs or more advanced models. Simply: "Bayraktars" are promoted
    1. -2
      April 30 2021 12: 08
      Bayraktars fly beyond the reach of MANPADS. But for the Buks, I think this is not a difficult goal. But the price of the issue matters.
  16. +1
    April 30 2021 13: 10
    What nafik "dozens of hours of patrolling" ?! We look at the performance characteristics: the flight time of the Lancet-1 is 30 minutes, the Lancet-3 is 40 minutes. The payload of the first is 1 kg, the second is 3 kg. Even if you replace the payload with batteries, "tens of hours" will never come out. Even if we assume that the Lancet will be able to climb into the sky above Bayraktar in order to accelerate and dive at it upon detection, then the energy reserve will be enough for a very short time, and there can be no talk of any "loitering". The lancet will probably have to be equipped with a jet booster to reach the desired altitude and a parachute landing system (which will add more mass and reduce flight time) so as not to lose valuable components (engine, batteries and optics) during discharge. In general, it will not be the Lancet at all, but a completely different drone.
    To summarize, we can say that the developers have been giving high-quality noodles to unlucky readers, and the Ukrainian edition is absolutely right in its skepticism.
    1. 0
      April 30 2021 13: 36
      and the Ukrainian edition is absolutely right in its skepticism.
      ........ right .... what to do with outright bullshit it would be better if we directed our efforts to increase the capabilities of MANPADS .... maybe this is the case now ... but at the same time the question is brewing --- what if a complex of MANPADS with increased capabilities will not go under the hammer right away ... that is, no one will buy such a lancet in a straight line ...
      1. 0
        April 30 2021 15: 14
        The best Bayraktar interceptor will be a drone similar to Bayraktar, only faster, higher altitude, with radar, machine gun, good communications and a lot of fuel on board.
        1. 0
          April 30 2021 16: 04
          The best Bayraktar interceptor will be a drone similar to Bayraktar,
          ........ the best interceptor of babai tractors is a tethered balloon, which does not require fuel and can hang in the air for years and you can hang on it as much as you like and anything for that matter ... this is an option ... on the case of MANPADS Verba has already reached the echelon of 5 km ... it is quite possible to raise the bar higher
          1. 0
            April 30 2021 16: 39
            Tethered balloons are good against WW2 night bombers, and against gliding bombs and missiles flying tens of kilometers - like a dead poultice.
            1. 0
              April 30 2021 16: 48
              Tethered balloons are good against WW2 night bombers,
              ......... you are wrong ... tethered balloons are still in use but as a radar in the NORAD system in the strip ... payload up to 3 tons ... by the way, the radar hollows at 3000 km without dark zones unlike over-the-horizon radars ... that is, if you hang a couple of dozen Eagle or Verb to it, then it will be ogogoshische
              1. 0
                April 30 2021 20: 47
                As a signal repeater, it is still normal.
  17. 0
    April 30 2021 13: 26
    In our country, it depends on the sawmill.
    ........ the hall - aero groups in comparison with the Skolkovo projectors so. amoeba on the cut .... I pointed out exactly, it all depends on the position and rank of the operator ..... in fact, I'm pinning
  18. 0
    April 30 2021 13: 55
    And no one is embarrassed that the ceiling of the Lancet height is 5 km, even in the video it is shown, and the ceiling of the bayraktar TB2 height is 7 km, and the new TB3 will be even higher.
    So how is the Lancet going to fight Turkish UAVs if it just doesn't get it?
    1. 0
      April 30 2021 16: 03
      The ceiling is a relative matter. Much more important is the actual height from which strikes are usually delivered. And it is always lower than the ceiling.
      1. 0
        1 May 2021 11: 16
        Open sources write that their UAV hits from a height of 7 km and the new modification will fly and hit even higher. What is the point of developing a lancet against Turkish UAVs if it is clear during the development stages that it will not reach the Turkish UAVs, other kamikaze quadcoptetra drones will probably shoot they do not fly high, but there are NO bayraktars, is it a wash of a bobble or just another lie for an internal consumer?
      2. 0
        1 May 2021 11: 25
        Open sources write that their UAV hits from a height of 7 km and the new modification will fly and hit even higher. What is the point of developing a lancet against Turkish UAVs if it is clear during the development stages that it will not reach the Turkish UAVs, other kamikaze quadcoptetra drones will probably shoot they do not fly high, but there are NO bayraktars, is it a wash of a bobble or just another lie for an internal consumer?
    2. 0
      April 30 2021 16: 10
      So how is the Lancet going to fight Turkish UAVs if it just doesn't get it?
      ... as an option, the suspension of MANPADS such as Needles or Verba on it ... ideally it was a UR Vortex ... but due to the weight characteristics of the MANPADS it is better
      1. +1
        1 May 2021 11: 23
        This is from the realm of science fiction, the lancet is too small and light, and will not pull the anti-aircraft missile. , because everyone understands that with a ceiling of 5 km, the lancet will not be able to fight against the Turkish bairaktars, this is pointless.
  19. -2
    April 30 2021 19: 26
    It is necessary to bring down the Turks .. with everything possible .. Because here .. - in 24 days of hostilities in Karabakh, Armenian forces lost 2 tanks, 114 armored personnel carriers, 43 artillery units, including MLRS due to the strikes of unmanned aerial vehicles "Bayraktar TB141" , 42 units of air defense and radar stations, 249 units of military vehicles and 44 warehouses with weapons and ammunition ... these are the pies with kittens ..
  20. 0
    April 30 2021 22: 28
    Truly Wasserfall! The story is exactly like a spiral.
  21. 0
    1 May 2021 01: 03
    Yes, Ukrainians are constantly made nervous by the information that what they declared to be another miracle weapon is not a miracle at all, and even in the place of taking pictures they will again get hit in the head. For them, it's like a constant déjà vu, probably soon they'll start crying on nerves.
  22. 0
    1 May 2021 22: 26
    And if we paint "Lancets" in zhovto-blakitnye colors, then will it work?