In the Ukrainian media: Russia is going to shoot down the UAV Bayraktar with "Lancets"

In Ukraine, they are reacting to statements by Russian experts that Russia has effective means of countering strike and reconnaissance drones "Bayraktar" of Turkish production, which is in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We are talking about the latest Russian drones "Lancet", with the help of which a new generation air defense system can be built. Such a system can become an insurmountable obstacle for various drones, including the aforementioned Bayraktar-TB2.

The Ukrainian edition of Defense Express, jealous of the statements about the possibility of shooting down the Bayraktar UAVs with the Lancet, writes that Russia is "spreading lies about the world's first weapons."

Russia is going to shoot down UAV Bayraktar with "Lancets", another lie about "the first in the world" weapons

- this is how the headline sounds in the Ukrainian media.

This is the world's first so-called "air mining" system, which is being created by Russian specialists. In general, Ukrainian journalists and military experts reacted very violently to the fact that the Russian system would neutralize UAVs that would try to operate in the zone of such a system. Phrases are published that the system allegedly “will not be effective”.

Moreover, these judgments are not supported by any facts or calculations.

Apparently, Ukraine has serious plans for the use of the Bayraktar-TB2 drones purchased from Turkey, otherwise why such a violent reaction to the information voiced by Russian experts about the developed "aerial mining" with the help of loitering drones (ammunition)?

"Lancet" is a Russian development, which is a loitering ammunition or "kamikaze" drone. "Lancets" are able to stay in the air for a long time (tens of hours), waiting for a convenient moment to strike. This is a highly accurate and effective weapon, which, in addition, is almost invisible to enemy radars.

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[rocket757]

In the Ukrainian media: Russia is going to shoot down the UAV Bayraktar with "Lancets"

... Media Kukuevskie, their experts .... is that a topic for discussion ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Can we also remember about British scientists?

[Cananecat]

Quote: rocket757

Can we also remember about British scientists?

One tablet is enough ... i.e. shoot down once ...))

[antivirus]

Already 2-3 years ago they tried to stop the "Ukrainian syndrome" - everyone shouts how great we are, but from Shein to VO and regional newspapers they talk about uhrov without stopping.
maybe it's time to stop mentioning at least superlatives here - "they reacted very violently."
the outskirts live their own lives and a small part of the politicians and comments about the Russian Federation are only part of the interest in the world. warmed up, yes. Should we play along with them?

[Insurgent]

In the Ukrainian media: Russia is going to shoot down the UAV Bayraktar with "Lancets"

Just Surgical instrument for extremely precise cuts.

Lancet of the Tsar, later the Emperor of All Russia - Peter I, the Great.

[NIKN]

Peter 1 still liked to pull out teeth. Naturally without anesthesia.

[Victor_B]

I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

..... it all depends on the operator's salary ... if the sergeant, then less if the leitech, then more

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

it all depends on the operator's pay

In our country, it depends on the sawmill.

[Mini Mokik]

In your home? Who would doubt that.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mini Mokik

In your home?

In Honduras!
Damn, what planet are you from? Rosgvardia buys food at times inflated prices, it is documented, check it out on the public procurement website, and do you really think that everything is fair in the Ministry of Defense? When MO presented an unmanned quadrocopter for five years, its price was several times higher than a quadric with much better performance characteristics on Aliexpress.
When the "Newest" Army Snowmobile is worth several times more than the most sophisticated Bombardier model, isn't it a cut?

[Reserve buildbat]

You know, an army snowmobile is by definition more expensive than your favorite bombardier. Since reliability is needed, which neither "bom" nor "Yamaha" nor any other foreign country can provide. The indigenous peoples of the Far North are provided with snowmobiles free of charge. There is such a program. And somehow these indigenous peoples were slipped not "Burany", but "Yamaha" (unfortunately, I do not remember the model). After that, no one there took anything except "Buran". The explanation was simple: in winter "Buran" was drowned in a swamp by accident - in the spring it pulled it out, cleaned it and go further. And "pits" and "boms" after this only go to the landfill. Army snowmobiles should be even more reliable than store-bought Burana. And if you force "Bomov" and "Yamov" to make the same reliable snowmobiles, then it will be cheaper to buy helicopters in a 1: 1 ratio

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Stroibat stock

And somehow these indigenous peoples were slipped not "Burans", but "Yamaha" (unfortunately, I do not remember the model

Do you yourself believe in it? In what technologically advanced Artik cat, Bombardier, etc., with heated handles, and other nishtyaks, did reindeer herders prefer Buranam? You just don't tell them these tales, okay?

[Reserve buildbat]

It is strange that it was the reindeer breeders who were telling what rubbish these "Yamaha" and other toys were. This is a technique for the rich - I went for an hour, then half a day of maintenance, cleaning and lubrication - and into a warm box for a week, until the next rides.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Stroibat stock

that it was the reindeer breeders who were telling what rubbish these "Yamaha" and other toys were.

I heard exactly the opposite, from people who went there on watch.

[Reserve buildbat]

Shift workers and local residents are different people, did you know? In addition, just imagine: a shift worker sitting in one place for the whole shift (not sitting, but running like an elk, but around a point) and a Chukchi, Nenets, Evenk, etc. this herd constantly roams, transports its chum, belongings ... And puts a chum at each camp, and next to it a concrete heated box for storing and servicing a snowmobile? Don't you think this is nonsense ?. By the way, the current "Burans" are also equipped with insulation, heated steering wheel and other pribluds. But they work, unlike "pits", "boms" and other "where-tokets"

[max702]

You tell him about the purchase of ordinary hammers for the Pentagon in the 60s for 2 dollars .. Although do not tell, I will not believe it anyway .. They have their own reality in the 000th ..

[tikhonov66]

"... In our country, it depends on the sawmill.
..."
- that's just not "in our country" - Russia, but "in yours" ... I don't know which one ...

[VORON538]

The question is not so much in the cost, but in why Russia can start shooting down the Bayraktars of Ukraine. These drones will fly over Ukraine, Russia is not going to shoot them down, but if they want to shoot them over Russia, then let them not ask, " ", there" Lancets "for bayraktar will not do.

[NIKN]

I think it is premature to "mine" the sky from Ukraine. This weapon is apparently used during combat operations planned as part of serious events.

This is the world's first so-called "air mining" system, which is being created by Russian specialists ....
"Lancet" is a Russian development, which is a loitering ammunition or "kamikaze" drone. "Lancets" are able to stay in the air for a long time (tens of hours), waiting for a convenient moment to strike.

In other words, block certain parts of the airspace for the duration of the operation. Just in case, they will not be used, they will manage by other means, a massive attack by bayraktar, I think, is not foreseen on the side of Ukraine.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: NIKNN

block certain parts of the airspace for the duration of the operation.

Use the Chinese "experience": Combine "Lancet" with MLRS ...

[keeper03]

I think it's okay!

[mark2]

I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

And the cost of Bayraktar should be the minimum of its cost and the cost of the damage that will be caused as a result of its exploration or other activities.

[Victor_B]

Quote: mark2

And the cost of Bayraktar should be the minimum of its cost and the cost of the damage that will be caused as a result of its exploration or other activities.

Holy words!
I myself always thought so when Thor and the Armor of Liberda were talking about the expensive missiles and the Thor and the Armor of the Liberda spent on primitive airplanes (Better to give this money to the Pioneers and Pensioners!).

[Insurgent]

Quote: mark2

And the cost of Bayraktar should be the minimum of its cost and the cost of the damage that will be caused as a result of its exploration or other activities.

Quote: Victor_B

Holy words!

One has only to add that PLUS the capabilities acquired by the troops in the absence of an air threat. And it doesn't matter whose troops it is - the RF Armed Forces or our 1st and 2nd AK ...

[den3080]

Quote: mark2

I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

And the cost of Bayraktar should be the minimum of its cost and the cost of the damage that will be caused as a result of its exploration or other activities.

Well this is how expensive then the "Lancet" that knocked down Bayraktar will be.
The cost of the lancet + the cost of the bayraktar + the cost of the potential damage it could cause.
like in a rhyme Marshak right ...

Here is the house,
Which was built by Jack.

And this is wheat,
Which is stored in a dark closet
In home,
Which was built by Jack.

And this is a funny bird-tit,
Who often steals wheat,
Which is stored in a dark closet
In home,
Which was built by Jack.

Here is a cat,
Who scares and catches the bird,
Who often steals wheat ...

And so on

[mark2]

Well this is how expensive then the "Lancet" that knocked down Bayraktar will be.
The cost of the lancet + the cost of the bayraktar + the cost of the potential damage it could cause.

Nah. Here the arithmetic is different. The cost of the Lancet minus everything specified except for the bayraktar.
If a bayraktar aimed a rocket at, say, a fuel and lubricants warehouse, and a lancet hits him, then the warehouse will remain intact. I think that a warehouse full of fuel for tanks and aircraft will be much more expensive. The lancet can turn out to be about nothing compared to the cost of rebuilding.

[Genry]

Quote: mark2

And the cost of Bayraktar should be the minimum of its cost and the cost of the damage that will be caused as a result of its exploration or other activities.

Nonsense!

For Baraktars, several points are important that determine the cost of ownership: its integrated purchase cost, plus the cost of maintenance and training activities (storage, runways, crews, supplies ....).

For the "Lancet" it is important to have an order of magnitude lower cost, since it must always be located in the place of the intended use of "Bayraktar", ie. there should be a lot (like any air defense).
True, the Lancet's main purpose is to strike ground targets, which increases its likelihood of use (usefulness).

[Roma 1977]

"Lancet" - much cheaper, because it is a disposable system, "kamikaze drone". It loiters for hours in the area of ​​the enemy's use of the UAV, detects them from several kilometers, approaches, using its more than two-fold speed advantage, and self-detonates.

[vic02]

It loiters for hours in the area of ​​the enemy's use of the UAV, detects them from several kilometers, approaches, using its more than two-fold speed advantage, and self-detonates.

According to the flight characteristics on the manufacturer's website, the flight time of the lancet-3 is 40 minutes, and the speed is lower than that of the bayraktar. zala-aero.com/production/bvs/zala-lancet-3/

[Roma 1977]

The manufacturer's website can be cunning. "Lancet" loiters in "economical mode" at speeds up to 100 km / h, and after detecting a target it accelerates to 300 km / h. I do not know how true this information is, but if they are talking about intercepting a piston drone, it means that the Lancet can actually accelerate, otherwise there can be no question of any interception in principle.

[vic02]

Don't fantasize. UAVs, including military ones, are a hot commodity. If you declare false information and you are caught in a lie, then you can close the production.

[Roma 1977]

This is not about false data, but about partially not subject to publication. Let's say they indicated the cruising speed, not the maximum - that's all. Then everyone thinks out to the best of their own licentiousness.

[vic02]

You will also say that this is a secret of special importance. ... Apparently, you are also thinking out the characteristics of all weapons in a direction convenient for you. Very handy for internet chatting. Thank goodness the manufacturers of real technology don't do this.

[Roma 1977]

In this case, I am just quoting the chief engineer of the Zala Aero Group, Alexander Zakharov, about accelerating the Lancet to 300 km / h. It is not said whether in a dive state, or when using some accelerators, or special modification is already particular.

[vic02]

I quote the chief engineer of the Zala Aero Group, Alexander Zakharov, about the acceleration of the "Lancet" to 300 km / h

Link please?

[Roma 1977]

Yes, somehow, the entire Internet is crammed with this information. Immediately, offhand: https://rg.ru/2021/04/17/primenenie-rossijskogo-drona-kamikadze-pokazali-na-video.html https://lenta.ru/news/2021/04/18/lancet /

[vic02]

Very good. This means that in a dive, maybe 300.

[Roma 1977]

By the way, on the "tape", it is said that speed is gained in a dive. But, again, how true this information is - we will find out only after years.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Roma-1977

if we are talking about intercepting a piston drone, it means that the Lancet can actually accelerate, otherwise there can be no question of any interception in principle

And there are no contradictions With a "modest" loitering speed, the Lancet can occupy a higher echelon than a potential target and attack with a dive and, accordingly, a significant gain in speed.
Fortunately, its aerodynamic design contributes to this.

[Roma 1977]

Or - an attack on a collision course. Also an option.

[sedoj]

Quote: Insurgent

The Lancet can occupy a higher echelon than a potential target and attack with a dive and, accordingly, a significant gain in speed.

The flight altitude of "Bayraktar" is up to eight kilometers. I doubt very much that the Lancet is capable of climbing even higher. They are not rivals.

Oops, Vladimir_2U has already unsubscribed on this topic. I beg your pardon.

[tlauicol]

can not. and if you could, what to do with autonomy? and with a guidance system? and the advantage in speed is still necessary - Bayraktar will fly exactly to the Lancet in 0,00 ... 001% of cases. Turns a little more to the left, and you won't catch up

[tlauicol]

Quote: Roma-1977

The manufacturer's website can be cunning.

they are cunning ... talking about the destruction of enemy drones

[Nikolaevich I]

It would be unreasonable to assume that the Lancet-Air Defense will be identical to the Kamikaze UAVs Lancet-1 and Lancet-3! "Lancet-PVO" will be a "derivative" of the former "lancets"! In particular, they are going to increase the duration of the UAV's stay in the air due to the abandonment of warheads with explosives! This approach will increase both the speed and the ceiling of the "air mine"! It is possible that there is a possibility of creating a "Lancet-Air Defense" and with a rocket booster ... I think that the "lancet" scheme will allow it!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

In particular, they are going to increase the duration of the UAV's stay in the air due to the rejection of warheads with explosives! This approach will increase both the speed and the ceiling of the "air mine"! !

Aerial mine

Want to beat Bayraktar TV-2 with the Lancet UAV ... strike at Bayraktar TV-2 standing on the ground. "Turok" works with rockets and gliding bombs, which strike at a distance of up to 8 km ... "Turok" can patrol at an altitude of 8 km - 24 hours 30 minutes ... It is stated that the "Turk" can be equipped with an AFAR radar.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: cat Rusich

"Turok" can hover at an altitude of 8 km - 24 hours 30 minutes ...

Everything is "comparative and relative", as he said ... no, not Einstein, but Izya to his neighbor Sonya! Are you sure that the "tractor" (as one of the "opponents" put it ...) loiters for 24 hours with full load?

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

! Are you sure that the "tractor" (as one of the "opponents" put it ...) loiters for 24 hours with full load?

To "loit" you need an aerodynamic scheme (shape) similar to vulture - a large wing area to "hang in the air" - to move at low speed, spending energy at a minimum.
And in order to attack an enemy UAV, you need speed and maneuverability to catch up with the "Turk" and not miss it (a hint of the absence of a warhead or low power of a warhead) - how to combine different aerodynamic tasks?
I suggest -
Do not philosophize sly - make a UAV fighter ...
In fact - a Bayrakayter with radar and air-to-air missiles.
To detect enemy UAVs by a control signal - a controlled UAV must "respond" to a control signal - informing its position, show a video signal to detect a target, etc., etc. - it is not necessary to decode a coded signal - it is aimed at a "target" along it

[Nikolaevich I]

I agree that the "air mining" proposed by the firm is just a concept so far! Everything is "damp and contrived"! It is possible that this "ideological proposal" will eventually be rejected, after being tested empirically! Only one thing is clear ... combat UAVs will not be left "alone" now! They were taken seriously! And there are already several "proposals" to use UAV fighters with missiles, "recoilless" grenade launchers, and shotguns to combat drones! It remains to wait a bit and we will see practical results!

[tlauicol]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

increase the duration of the UAV's stay in the air are going to be due to the abandonment of warheads with explosives! This approach will increase both the speed and the ceiling of the "air mine"! It is possible that there is a possibility of creating a "Lancet-Air Defense" and with a rocket booster ... I think that the "lancet" scheme will allow it!

not. will not allow. a new engine is needed for both speed and altitude. Again, where does the autonomy come from, if you removed one weight, added another + a new guidance system is needed. So he will grow up to Bayraktar. in fact, the company has none of this, no air defense drone, only promises and a cartoon.

[Nikolaevich I]

You didn't read my comment very carefully! About the "lancet" without warheads is part of the commentary! But the comment also contains: "It would be unreasonable to assume that the Lancet-Air Defense will be identical to the Kamikaze UAVs Lancet-1 and Lancet-3! The Lancet-Air Defense" will be a "derivative" of the former "lancets"! "..." Derived ", Karl!

[tlauicol]

CHTD. There is no Air Defense Lancet, even in perspective. Even at the office. the site is among the "promises" and on the video from the company, and in theory there are no such characteristics to eliminate Bayraktar. Another noodles for public money for orders and grants

[Podvodnik]

detects them from several kilometers,

With the help of what from several kilometers? I launch radio-controlled airplanes. The equipment provides several kilometers, but in fact I don't let go beyond 200 meters. It is no longer clear where he is flying. Looks like a cross. The coloring is not visible. The wingspan is 60 cm. You will not see any Bayraktar visually from several kilometers. Only by chance. Radar is needed. The flight speed is small, commensurate with Bayraktar. While he rises and catches up, he will complete the task and fly away.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Victor_B

I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

The probability to shoot down is more important here, and it is near-zero.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The probability to shoot down is more important here, and it is near-zero.

Where does this follow?

Do you take into account the likelihood that the "Lancet-Air Defense" will be equipped with a detection system and hitting a target in terms of characteristics close to surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Insurgent

Do you take into account the likelihood that the "Lancet-Air Defense" will be equipped with a detection system and hitting a target in terms of characteristics close to surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles?

You will compare the flight characteristics of the Lancet and Bayraktar, otherwise comparing the BP with a speed of 150 km and a ceiling of 5000 meters and an anti-aircraft missile is the level of an ukroexpert.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

You will compare the flight characteristics of the Lancet and Bayraktar, otherwise comparing the BP with a speed of 150 km and a ceiling of 5000 meters and an anti-aircraft missile is the level of an ukroexpert.

Excuse me, are your convolutions turned so that they can only move in one plane?

Airspace, "sky" it "3D"

Elementary logic, or at least imagination, is not enough to understand that the "Lancets", loitering above potential target, will hit them in a dive, while developing a significantly higher speed than 150 km / h, well, or, as it was also assumed here (as an option), on a collision course?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Insurgent

Sorry, your convolutions are turned so that they can only move in one plane.

Your convolutions are exactly "expert" for ukromaner only.


And here is an example:

Quote: Insurgent

"Lancets", loitering above a potential target, will hit them in a dive

The Lancet has a ceiling of 5000 m maximum, Bai-r 8000 m, estimate with your convolutions how quickly the Lancet "dives" up to 3000 meters. And this is not counting the lack of detection equipment at the Lancet complex, the absence of a seeker for air targets at the Lancet itself.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

You will compare the flight characteristics of the Lancet and Bayraktar, otherwise comparing the BP with a speed of 150 km and a ceiling of 5000 meters and an anti-aircraft missile is the level of an ukroexpert.

Well ... "Ukroexperta level" is to shake such "TTX" UAV "Lancet" (like you), about which the developer himself does not speak.

Moreover, against the background of the fact that unknown what model "Lancet" are we talking about - 1? , 2? , 3? ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Insurgent

Well ... "Ukroexperta level" is to shake such "TTX" UAV "Lancet" (like you), about which the developer himself does not speak.

In general, the appearance and weight of the Lancet-3 is more than enough to estimate the characteristics, and the altitude and speed are clearly not its strengths. Like elementary logic for you.

[Roma 1977]

No, there is a television system. It detects and identifies the visible silhouette of an aerial target, not its heat trail or radar mark. In the case of low-speed targets such as piston drones, this is quite a trivial task.

[Podvodnik]

it is near-zero.

Well, why did you throw in the minuses? She is really near zero. On TV, a video with the Lancet was shown with the attack of the object. It is not clear how the operator could see anything at all. So the target was motionless. Explored in advance.
You try to grab a pair of binoculars, cover your ears (so you don't hear it), and look for a seagull in the sky. And only through optics. Not just looking over your eyes. Tired of tracking. There is nothing for a clear eye to catch on to.

[loki565]

I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

Like the plane and the rocket that the plane fires, since the lancet is a disposable ammunition and everything is designed for one flight. The point is different, I doubt that with such wings and such a propeller, the Lancet will be able to climb 8 km, discover and catch up with Bayraktar

[vic02]

I doubt that with such wings and such a propeller, the Lancet will be able to climb 8 km, discover and catch up with Bayraktar

Bayraktar: Cruising speed: 130 km / h, Ceiling: 8200 m.
Lancet: The speed range is 80-110 km / h, the manufacturer does not declare the ceiling, but for the rest of its civilian drones it is 5000 m.

[Victorio]

Quote: loki565

I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

Like the plane and the rocket that the plane fires, since the lancet is a disposable ammunition and everything is designed for one flight. The point is different, I doubt that with such wings and such a propeller, the Lancet will be able to climb 8 km, detect and catch up Bayraktar

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I will assume and write that the Baikatar works on targets at 6-7 km, and then the Turk has no advantage in speed on a collision course and at an angle. the main thing is to get close and imperceptible.

[loki565]

How will he find it, visually? Well, this is a so-so solution. Then it's easier, to increase in size and modify such a system, it will be cheaper and reusable)))

[Victorio]

Quote: loki565

How will he find it, visually?

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) here to the specialists for answers or here to read https://www.sut.ru/doci/nauka/journal/2018_2/87-93.pdf

[Nikolaevich I]

I like this "flying shotgun" too! Of course, in the "initial" form of a particularly great sense from this concept, you will not wait ... but "dashing trouble is the beginning!" It is desirable to refine this concept! Now there are anti-helicopter mines PVM and anti-roof mines of the “classic” type ... On the basis of the concept of a shotgun, it is possible to create anti-helicopter / anti-drone and anti-tank “mines of a new generation”! The main pleasure for the military is that such "new mines" can wait "in the wings" for days!

[Roma 1977]

Modern optoelectronic systems are able to visually detect targets, for example, on the Su-35, optics recognize a fighter-type target at a distance of under 80 kilometers (possibly more). The Turks said about their "Bayraktar" that it recognizes targets at a distance of up to 40 km. I assume that the Bayraktar-type target will be automatically detected and identified by the Lancet at a distance of over 10 km.

[Genry]

Quote: Roma-1977

I assume that the Bayraktar-type target will be automatically detected and identified by the Lancet at a distance of over 10 km.

I must correct you.

The Lancet does not have the ability to detect targets on a wide front. It is easier to give target designation from a ground station, for example: "Magister-SV" (https://topwar.ru/181489-novejshij-kompleks-upravlenija-pvo-magistr-sv-poshel-v-seriju.html).

And the use of the Lancet for air defense is justified only in the case of intercepting slow UAVs above 2-5 km, where there is no access for MANPADS and artillery ZPK ("Derivation" + various combat vehicles with 23mm and 30mm) and close air defense systems ("Osa", "Sosna", ...).

[Roma 1977]

Again, a nuance: the close air defense systems find themselves in the area affected by the Bayraktars, and the Lancet itself is an attacking object, with a range of up to 40 km, but at low altitudes. A sort of "long arm" of close air defense.

[Genry]

Quote: Roma-1977

nuance: close air defense systems are in the affected area "Bayraktars"

Close ZPK and SAM are means of defense against various types of weapons: mortars, MLRS, ATGM, air-to-ground ...

They don't give a damn about Roketsan!

Quote: Roma-1977

and the "Lancet" itself is an attacking object, with a range of up to 40 km, but at low altitudes.

Low heights? Not specific ...
The electric motor does not have high-altitude starvation like an internal combustion engine.

[Roma 1977]

There is no high-altitude hunger, but there is a low rate of climb when climbing. That is, when climbing to 6 km, its combat radius is at least halved.

[Genry]

Quote: Roma-1977

but there is a low rate of climb when climbing. That is, when climbing to 6 km, its combat radius is at least halved.

You are warm and soft ....

The rate of climb is measured in meters (altitude) per second and does not change until the battery runs out. Electric aircraft usually have a higher power density (and climb rate).

Yes, climb is a change (increase) in the potential energy of the aircraft, which is sucked out of the battery and the range decreases. But there is also significant compensation for range through planning.

[Roma 1977]

You can plan. With dead batteries.

[Genry]

Quote: Roma-1977

You can plan. With dead batteries.

About:
with an aerodynamic quality of 10, from a height of 6 km - it will land after 60 km.
And accordingly, 30 km - up to a height of 3 km.

And the remainder of the battery energy is always reserved for control, communication and a beacon.

[Podvodnik]

... for example, on the Su-35, optics recognize

You are absolutely right.
It is the optical-electronic complex that can.
There is no such thing on the Lancet. Good optics are expensive, not disposable, and weigh a lot.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Victor_B

I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

Here you also need to consider the potential harm that an enemy drone can inflict.

[uav80]

I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

One complex of bayrat tractors costs $ 70 million, it includes 3 control stations for 6 UAVs + additional equipment, this is without weapons. Officially, the price of "Lentset-3" was not announced, but according to "Kalashnikov" it costs less than 3OF39 / M "Krasnopol" and it costs $ 35000 ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Victor_B

I wonder how much the Lancet is more expensive / cheaper than the Bytractor?

Well, you can, of course, figure out ... a cucumber to your nose! "Lancet" is a conflict ... "tractor" is a petrol one .... How much is petrol at the gas station and what are the rates for lycricity in the regions?

[prior]

What is the opinion of Ukrainian "experts"?
How mad they shouted about the arrival of Bandera, who supposedly will come and put things in order.
Have you come? Have you guided?
And the Lancet will put things in order, and not only with the Bayraktars ...

[Prisoner]

Why are they so excited on the "Lancet"? He is not the only tool against Bayraktar. I was always surprised at the strange combination of hohlyat's cunning and naivety. After the Karabakh events, they decided that the UAV was a "weapon of the reign", not taking into account what ours did with the UAV in Syria.

[Maks1995]

Yeah ... The habit of khokhlonovosti cannot be interrupted.

a bit "Going", and .... three paragraphs of correspondence PR of not yet existing systems ....

[Piramidon]

"Lancet" is a Russian development, which is a loitering ammunition or "kamikaze" drone. "Lancets" are able to stay in the air for a long time (tens of hours), waiting for the right moment to hit.

Interestingly, if such a moment does not come (the Bayraktars do not arrive), will the Lancet return home or will it self-destruct?

[Roma 1977]

It will self-destruct. Landing is not provided for him.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Roma-1977

Landing is not provided for him.

You could attach a parachute

[vladcub]

I am here oak oak, but my sofa thinks: "Lancet" should work in the interception. The guidance station spotted Bayraktar and took off: Lancet.
Although again speed and ceiling are of great importance

[HAM]

They rushed around with the Javelins like fools, now with the Baikartars, this is unbeatable, invincible in its stupidity .... this is how they will make a vigorous bonba ..... this is how a cosmodrome will be built .... this is how a satellite will be launched ... .. !!!

[Jacket in stock]

And what is wrong ?
If we leave aside the "very violent reaction", then in essence the Khokhloexperds are not so wrong.
The lancet flies much lower
His camera is not very good.
It is disposable - which is not good.
His speed is not at all 2 times higher.
So for the purposes of organizing "air mining" the Lancet still needs to be altered and altered. And in order to also catch bayraktars, then in general a new one must be invented.

[ZeeD]

So if "air mining", then why catch that? Flies nearby (in the affected area) - amazes. Doesn't fly - no. Conventional mines, when placed correctly (in the right place), are quite effective. And they are completely motionless.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Jacket in stock

It is disposable - which is not good.

Here is the point: any mine is by default disposable.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Paranoid50

Here's the deal: any mine is a one-time shot by default.

But not any.
Again, he buried an ordinary mine / tied it to a peg, and it can stand for years until it is removed, and the Lancet flew and flew, if it did not meet anyone, then it does not know how to return home. We'll have to spend and send a new one in its place, but it's not worth three kopecks at all. So disposability is not just bad, but critically unacceptable.

[Roma 1977]

Naturally, attacking air targets will be another modification of the Lancet. Specificity imposes other requirements for the product.

[rotmistr60]

What else can the Ukrainian media write? Will they really write that Russia has new means of dealing with both ground targets and UAVs? Therefore, there is no need to discuss.

[aszzz888]

Apparently, Ukraine has serious plans for the use of the Bayraktar-TB2 drones purchased from Turkey,

Tabako-Natsiks have seen enough videos from the N. Karabakh conflict, and they think that they will succeed. Outrageously naive!

[Tagan]

Quote: vic02

It loiters for hours in the area of ​​the enemy's use of the UAV, detects them from several kilometers, approaches, using its more than two-fold speed advantage, and self-detonates.

According to the flight characteristics on the manufacturer's website, the flight time of the lancet-3 is 40 minutes, and the speed is lower than that of the bayraktar. zala-aero.com/production/bvs/zala-lancet-3/

In fact, Zakharov (chief designer) voiced the speed of 300 km / h (unless, of course, that one was meant)

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Tagan

In fact, the developer voiced the speed of 300 km / h (unless, of course, that one was meant)

On a dive, for which there is no advantage in altitude, over the Bayr "for sure.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

for which there is no advantage in height, over Bayr "for sure.

...... in migratory birds. and indeed birds, there are no advantages over jet aircraft ... nevertheless, the statistics are very sad if there are collisions with birds ...

[tarakan]

Quote: Roma-1977

It will self-destruct. Landing is not provided for him.

You can always find who to plant

[iouris]

The appearance of the "Lancet" does not allow us to assume that it has high flight performance, therefore the probability of a successful interception of a UAV is apparently extremely low.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

the probability of a successful UAV interception is apparently extremely low.

.... tethered balloons during WWII did not have any speed at all ... nevertheless, the bombers were invented by paravans-sling cutters ... so if you think about why this device was invented if the balloon was meaningless

[vladcub]

God grant that all these UAVs only virtually "swing".
Most likely these: "Bayraktars" are not so unique that they would not cope with it. Probably, in Russia, and in China and in the USA and in Israel, there are analogs or more advanced models. Simply: "Bayraktars" are promoted

[iouris]

Bayraktars fly beyond the reach of MANPADS. But for the Buks, I think this is not a difficult goal. But the price of the issue matters.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

What nafik "dozens of hours of patrolling" ?! We look at the performance characteristics: the flight time of the Lancet-1 is 30 minutes, the Lancet-3 is 40 minutes. The payload of the first is 1 kg, the second is 3 kg. Even if you replace the payload with batteries, "tens of hours" will never come out. Even if we assume that the Lancet will be able to climb into the sky above Bayraktar in order to accelerate and dive at it upon detection, then the energy reserve will be enough for a very short time, and there can be no talk of any "loitering". The lancet will probably have to be equipped with a jet booster to reach the desired altitude and a parachute landing system (which will add more mass and reduce flight time) so as not to lose valuable components (engine, batteries and optics) during discharge. In general, it will not be the Lancet at all, but a completely different drone.
To summarize, we can say that the developers have been giving high-quality noodles to unlucky readers, and the Ukrainian edition is absolutely right in its skepticism.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

and the Ukrainian edition is absolutely right in its skepticism.

........ right .... what to do with outright bullshit it would be better if we directed our efforts to increase the capabilities of MANPADS .... maybe this is the case now ... but at the same time the question is brewing --- what if a complex of MANPADS with increased capabilities will not go under the hammer right away ... that is, no one will buy such a lancet in a straight line ...

[Thorvlobnor IV]

The best Bayraktar interceptor will be a drone similar to Bayraktar, only faster, higher altitude, with radar, machine gun, good communications and a lot of fuel on board.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The best Bayraktar interceptor will be a drone similar to Bayraktar,

........ the best interceptor of babai tractors is a tethered balloon, which does not require fuel and can hang in the air for years and you can hang on it as much as you like and anything for that matter ... this is an option ... on the case of MANPADS Verba has already reached the echelon of 5 km ... it is quite possible to raise the bar higher

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Tethered balloons are good against WW2 night bombers, and against gliding bombs and missiles flying tens of kilometers - like a dead poultice.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Tethered balloons are good against WW2 night bombers,

......... you are wrong ... tethered balloons are still in use but as a radar in the NORAD system in the strip ... payload up to 3 tons ... by the way, the radar hollows at 3000 km without dark zones unlike over-the-horizon radars ... that is, if you hang a couple of dozen Eagle or Verb to it, then it will be ogogoshische

[Thorvlobnor IV]

As a signal repeater, it is still normal.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

In our country, it depends on the sawmill.

........ the hall - aero groups in comparison with the Skolkovo projectors so. amoeba on the cut .... I pointed out exactly, it all depends on the position and rank of the operator ..... in fact, I'm pinning

[Dimon5678]

And no one is embarrassed that the ceiling of the Lancet height is 5 km, even in the video it is shown, and the ceiling of the bayraktar TB2 height is 7 km, and the new TB3 will be even higher.
So how is the Lancet going to fight Turkish UAVs if it just doesn't get it?

[Roma 1977]

The ceiling is a relative matter. Much more important is the actual height from which strikes are usually delivered. And it is always lower than the ceiling.

[Dimon5678]

Open sources write that their UAV hits from a height of 7 km and the new modification will fly and hit even higher. What is the point of developing a lancet against Turkish UAVs if it is clear during the development stages that it will not reach the Turkish UAVs, other kamikaze quadcoptetra drones will probably shoot they do not fly high, but there are NO bayraktars, is it a wash of a bobble or just another lie for an internal consumer?

[Dimon5678]

Open sources write that their UAV hits from a height of 7 km and the new modification will fly and hit even higher. What is the point of developing a lancet against Turkish UAVs if it is clear during the development stages that it will not reach the Turkish UAVs, other kamikaze quadcoptetra drones will probably shoot they do not fly high, but there are NO bayraktars, is it a wash of a bobble or just another lie for an internal consumer?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

So how is the Lancet going to fight Turkish UAVs if it just doesn't get it?

... as an option, the suspension of MANPADS such as Needles or Verba on it ... ideally it was a UR Vortex ... but due to the weight characteristics of the MANPADS it is better

[Dimon5678]

This is from the realm of science fiction, the lancet is too small and light, and will not pull the anti-aircraft missile. , because everyone understands that with a ceiling of 5 km, the lancet will not be able to fight against the Turkish bairaktars, this is pointless.

[Dikson]

It is necessary to bring down the Turks .. with everything possible .. Because here .. - in 24 days of hostilities in Karabakh, Armenian forces lost 2 tanks, 114 armored personnel carriers, 43 artillery units, including MLRS due to the strikes of unmanned aerial vehicles "Bayraktar TB141" , 42 units of air defense and radar stations, 249 units of military vehicles and 44 warehouses with weapons and ammunition ... these are the pies with kittens ..

[Sancho_SP]

Truly Wasserfall! The story is exactly like a spiral.

[MSG363]

Yes, Ukrainians are constantly made nervous by the information that what they declared to be another miracle weapon is not a miracle at all, and even in the place of taking pictures they will again get hit in the head. For them, it's like a constant déjà vu, probably soon they'll start crying on nerves.

[Nord11]

And if we paint "Lancets" in zhovto-blakitnye colors, then will it work?