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The Chinese press compared the new fighters from the Asia-Pacific region

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Only three Asian countries can boast of new aircraft of their own design. The rest of the APR armies are forced to use other people's products, replenishing their battle formations in aviation.


However, new creations are not very different from each other. This was noticed in the Chinese press by publishing a photo collage showing the cars. Apparently, the author meant a similar design of products of various military industrial complexes: the aircraft have the same type of cockpit, the size and angle of inclination of the vertical tail in the tail section, the air intakes are located under the wings.

All Asians look the same

- noted on the China Defense Blog.

The author introduced the South Korean fighter KF-X, the Chinese Shenyang J-31 and the Japanese Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin into the photo collage. All three products are under development. The greatest results were achieved in the PRC: the J-31 first took to the air back in 2012. The Japanese product completed a similar task in 2016. In March of this year, the South Korean company KAI announced plans to make the first flight in 2022; the aircraft is currently being equipped with auxiliary systems.

All three countries claim their products are fifth generation fighters. The main arguments for these conclusions are the reduced signature of aircraft and the use of radar with AFAR.

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China Defense Blog
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  1. Ka-52
    Ka-52 April 30 2021 06: 04
    +5
    All three countries claim their products are fifth generation fighters. The main arguments for these conclusions are the reduced signature of aircraft and the use of radar with AFAR.

    Interestingly, everyone thinks that stupid copying of the outer contours of the American F-22 automatically brings the plane to the requirements for the 5th generation? Very similar to the automotive industry, where the last 10 years, cars from different manufacturers have practically ceased to differ from each other.
    1. Semyonich from the Urals
      Semyonich from the Urals April 30 2021 06: 25
      +3
      Well, apparently physics can't be fooled ... that's what all + have - the same shapes and contours
    2. NIKN
      NIKN April 30 2021 11: 17
      +5
      Apparently one of the requirements for a 5th generation aircraft is the mandatory resemblance to the F-22. wink smile
  2. Tusv
    Tusv April 30 2021 07: 02
    +5
    All three countries claim their products are fifth generation fighters.

    Koreans changed their shoes in the air? We planned 4 ++, but then they gave up and let it be the fifth, but the fact that the compartment for weapons does not fit in yet is nothing. It will be, but then.
    The Japanese, they write, has problems with being overweight, they planned 9, but got 13, but this is according to Vicki, who refers to Jiji News Agenc and from a flight five years ago. But on the other hand, Japs boast that the EPR is larger than an insect, but less than an average bird. The Americans also boasted and got a photo of the Raptor's tail from the Su-35
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 30 2021 09: 42
      +1
      "got a photo of the Raptor's tail from the Su-35" ///
      ----
      Yes, I have F-35 with the naked eye, without optics, how many times have I seen in the air! fellow
      And they lie: "invisible, unnoticeable" laughing
      1. Tusv
        Tusv April 30 2021 10: 33
        +1
        You tell my P-12 when the DCT requested the height. There is no stealth, there is low visibility, with which the P-15 has problems with detection. And in the Pol - Military - Organization of one station is not trusted. Fact That's why we laugh at the poor hi
        And the photo of the Raptor's tail happened like this. We . Air defense-VKS, noticed that the Raptor comes into the tail of a defenseless Su-24 and was sent to dismantle the Su-35 bully
    2. grandfather_Kostya
      grandfather_Kostya April 30 2021 10: 26
      +1
      There is still not a full-turn keel, what kind of stealth is there?
  3. Sined
    Sined April 30 2021 07: 07
    +3
    It is necessary to take into account the ratio and importance of foreign components in the development, here at. KF-21 American engine. Shinshin is unlikely to go into production, why do they need an analogue of the F-35 when they have the F-35? They seem to be working on the F-3 already. And on Shinshin, I think they will experience elements of a new development. Besides, what are they? In vain did the F-35 program take part - very strange comparisons and statements in the Chinese press.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 30 2021 07: 26
      +2
      Quote: Sined
      Shinshin is unlikely to go into production, why do they need an analogue of the F-35 when they have the F-35? They seem to be working on the F-3 already.

      Who will understand their Soul (as Shinshin seems to be translated). On paper, the deuce looks very soulful. Well, it loses to the Penguin in armament, but in terms of flight characteristics it is not inferior to the Raptor.
      It's interesting for the sixth generation (probably the top three will wear this index). Why did all the bourgeoisie suddenly announce the creation of the 6th generation, when the five is still raw? I suppose that the Su-57 is criticized purely for PR level 4 (detuning from a competitor). This bird scares, oh how scary
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      2. Sined
        Sined April 30 2021 07: 57
        0
        Regarding a generation, a generation is a conventional term, it is better to say "next generation" making it clear that the development of systems of an advanced type is underway, in the fifth generation it is stealth and AFAR, some common features will be in the sixth generation. This is just a term, the technique is, of course, created for certain tasks for the future.
        The next generation fighter is being developed both in the Russian Federation and in China, it is simply not advertised about it. The Americans have rightfully switched to the development of the sixth generation, they have already run in their fifth, not without problems, of course. But it is worth remembering that the Raptor began to be operated back in 1999 (Viki)
        The Europeans, on the other hand, went straight to the next generation, due to the fact that it is too late to do the fifth, and they no longer want to buy the conditional F-45 from the Americans or depend on it too much.
        What is the reason for the Japanese I cannot say, maybe the same as that of the Europeans
        And there have already been jumps between generations, 1-2-3 for example. So I don't think that someone was scared of someone
        1. Tusv
          Tusv April 30 2021 08: 33
          +2
          Quote: Sined
          But it is worth remembering that the Raptor began to be operated back in 1999 (Viki)

          The Raptor and Penguin Program started in 199X. A source. My commander of the combat support platoon, who carried all the aviation magazines to me on the P-12. Well, so that I know more precisely by the mark what kind of psisa is hanging on my IKO. The Raptor is purely for Americans. The penguin is a general development based on American patterns, which the Soviets will steal anyway.
          With regard to generation, generation is a conventional term

          Conditionally shot down or conditionally won, conditionally completed the task what can be the conventions in aviation? The Raptor and Su-57 fighters of the fifth generation of air supremacy are not at all arbitrary. Penguin - for conducting network-centric actions in the air of the fifth generation, and the same is not conditional. By the way, we do not have an analogue of the Penguin. But in terms of performance characteristics, the unmanned "Hunter" being developed is the closest
          1. Sined
            Sined April 30 2021 08: 37
            -1
            Please tell me the official terms for the fifth generation standard.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv April 30 2021 08: 47
              +2
              There are only two of them. Low visibility in all ranges, including airborne detection equipment, cruising supersonic. What kind of clever guy shoved AFAR there is not clear. For PR ONLY. Rather, the distant OLS is imperceptible. Koi on Penguin and Su-57 are available. Have I satisfied your curiosity?
              1. Sined
                Sined April 30 2021 09: 21
                +1
                Not really. It's clear about supersonic. And what should be the maximum EPR? And what about the characteristics of the radar? I was talking about the official requirements. If let's say the MiG-41 will not have stealth, but will have a speed of over 5 max. Will it be the fourth generation? Or fifth? Or maybe even the sixth? And the F-35 does not have supersonic sound without afterburner. That is, it meets one of two requirements, which generation is it? Is it the fifth anyway? But Rafal (if I'm not mistaken) has supersonic sound without afterburner, but does not have stealth. He also meets one requirement out of two, what generation is he then? I don’t need to talk about conventionally shot down or not shot down. There is no exact table in the world that shows the minimum requirements for a given generation. That is why these generations are conditional. Yes, it is convenient to classify for generations. But the military does not want a certain generation, they primarily want certain characteristics.
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 April 30 2021 09: 53
                  +2
                  But the military does not want a certain generation, they primarily want certain characteristics.

                  most commentators who manipulate booklet characteristics do not even understand what they are for. Probably so that bulo. But in fact, for example, what does the cruising SZ give? A supersonic flight speed without using the afterburner. That is, in addition to reducing the engine resource, this is a plus to the flight range (fuel consumption) and a minus in the visibility in the infrared spectrum for t gases of the jet stream.
                  And what should be the maximum EPR?

                  no one will tell the truth. And he won't even write in an advertising brochure. Because the real OEP is a secret sealed with seven seals.
                  1. Sined
                    Sined April 30 2021 10: 15
                    +1
                    I hope you are not talking about me, since I am not manipulating anything. I just think there is no official standard. Such a technique has many parameters that are not really known to us. This is not yet taking into account the ability of the weapon.
                    1. VO3A
                      VO3A April 30 2021 21: 25
                      0
                      Let me help you a little and tell you, for the hundredth time !!! The aircraft of the 5th generation is the main element of the network-centric system! If there is no network-centric system, there is no 5th generation aircraft. You can buy the F35 aircraft from the pi_ndos, but without the American network-centric system, it will not be a 5th generation aircraft! Israel is converting the F35 to its own system, their aircraft is the only one that remains a 5th generation aircraft. For all the rest of the "tobacco" it will be such when using the P_ndosky network-centric system ... They do not have their own .... this is understandable with China and with Russia too. There are some developments, but they do not have network-centric systems ... except for air defense systems, but these are specific systems and they do not cover the entire range of combat use of information systems ... Although the minimum conditions, taking into account the specifics of modern combat operations, are not so remote .. But this is a separate topic ...
                  2. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh April 30 2021 10: 42
                    0
                    "Because the real OEP is a secret behind seven seals." ////
                    -----
                    Why? In the States, there have been many stealth exercises against air defense.
                    They flew over radars of different ranges in all angles
                    and at all heights. With full monitoring.
                    The EPR was also checked in the flights of fighters on a collision course.
                    So, there are full practical, not theoretical measurements.
                    EPR of American stealth F-22, F-35, V-2.
                    For example, it turned out that the EPR F-35 less, not more,
                    than the F-22, as previously declared by the manufacturer.
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv April 30 2021 10: 53
                      +1
                      Pancake. Warrior. You captured the P-12 of early modifications. Check it out. Personally, I watched the flight of the Black Hoyk prototype and nothing from the usual regulars of the Baltic sky - the Tornado did not differ in the mark on the radar, but the P-15 and DKP did not really see it
                    2. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 April 30 2021 11: 05
                      +1
                      Why? In the States, there have been many stealth exercises against air defense.

                      Alexey, what is the connection between exercises (especially intra-departmental ones) and EPR measurements? It's like asking a traffic cop on the road to use radar to measure the EPR of a driving car.
                      1. Tusv
                        Tusv April 30 2021 11: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Alexey, what is the connection between exercises (especially intra-departmental ones) and EPR measurements?

                        Why does the Alligator fly? Because he's a helicopter bully A question for an Israelite and, moreover, not for an air defense system, the answer will be Crocodiles I fly, so nyzenko that no ground station will detect them
                      2. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh April 30 2021 12: 52
                        -1
                        Based on the results of such exercises, they determine which radars, in what angle, at what distance the stealth can approach without the danger of being shot down. Otherwise, why stealth at all? Practice.
                      3. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 April 30 2021 13: 01
                        +1
                        it's all lyrics. I asked how one manages to measure the image intensifier of an aircraft with air defense radars? Well, you have a mark on the radar, at a certain distance you can take off the parameters for range, direction of flight, altitude, speed, etc. Where is here and how will you calculate the image intensifier?
                      4. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh April 30 2021 14: 46
                        +2
                        Just as it is calculated before the plane first took off into the air - even at the design stage. The prototype is lifted to the top of a high bar, where it can be swiveled at different angles. And there it is irradiated with radars of different wavelengths from different distances.
                      5. Tusv
                        Tusv April 30 2021 16: 37
                        0
                        Sinuses Cones studied? What trigonometric function do you need to give out the full ins and outs of the body, which hangs in the ICO and does not respond to the request
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik April 30 2021 10: 30
              -3
              Quote: Sined
              That is why these generations are conditional. Yes, it is convenient to classify for generations.

              Pure marketing. The aircraft is made for specific tasks. Marketers then promote it. Before the advent of the F-22, generations were not counted at all; it was Lockheed who came up with the beautiful name "5th generation fighter".
              Quote: Sined
              The F-35 does not have supersonic sound without afterburner.

              This is bureaucracy. Without afterburner, it flies at speeds up to 1,2M. This is a trance sound, supersonic starts at 1,25M.
              The main thing here is the ability to work in the range 0,8M-1,25M without afterburner, this gives a total superiority over the classic "4K".
              Quote: Sined
              But Rafal (if I'm not mistaken) has supersonic sound without afterburner, but does not have stealth.

              Make no mistake, up to 1,4 M with weapons. Eurofighter and Gripen also have it. This is one of the reasons for the lack of clean 5s in Europe. Their planes are already superior to ours and Chinese fighters; in combination with Avaks, low visibility is not so necessary.
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 April 30 2021 11: 09
                0
                The main thing here is the ability to work in the range 0,8M-1,25M without afterburner, this gives a total superiority over the classic "4K".

                What is "totality"?
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv April 30 2021 12: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  What is "totality"?

                  A very interesting question. The Americans do not start friendly countries without total control and without parliamentary support. We are doing the same, only with the support of the Paramilitary Organization. And she is the second apostle of the Strategic Missile Forces
                  1. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 April 30 2021 12: 56
                    0
                    no, I asked a comrade a question about what is the total superiority of aircraft with a cruising supersonic speed. Apparently, the comrade does not know the answer.
                  2. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh April 30 2021 13: 05
                    -1
                    The afterburner will drain the fuel tanks in a matter of seconds. Therefore, it is used in force majeure situations: either for a decisive attack, or for a decisive escape from an enemy attack. After a couple of afterburners - return to the base on the remains of fuel.
                    And cruising supersonic is economical
                  3. Tusv
                    Tusv April 30 2021 13: 19
                    +2
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Therefore, it is used in force majeure situations: either for a decisive attack, or for a decisive escape from an enemy attack. After a couple of afterburners - return to the base on the remains of fuel.

                    The housekeeper was making vodka. Your Ivras do not do this anymore, because the pilot is above everything. Recently, Israeli aircraft have been attacking only from behind the mountains. I agree. you need to substitute it under the Syrian air defense system. There is a Russian sitting there. Damn catastrophe Russian kill
                  4. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh April 30 2021 13: 27
                    +1
                    "lately, Israeli aviation has been attacking only from behind the mountains" ///
                    ---
                    When targets close to the border use the F-16. They make candles from behind the mountains, fire rockets, and descend sharply.
                    When targets are far away: in the north and east of Syria, in Iraq or Iran, the F-35 is used.
                    They do not need to do all sorts of feints - they launched rockets from a height, turned around and to the base.
                  5. Tusv
                    Tusv April 30 2021 13: 29
                    0
                    It was Voyaka. The lives of the pilots are not at risk. Actually tryndezh and the sanctions of the Vashenskys are also safe until they appear from behind the mountains
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik April 30 2021 08: 46
    -1
    X-2 technology development, will go into production only in a critical situation. Nothing better than the F-35.
    The F-3 is a response to the ban on the sale of the F-22, no one says that NGAD and F / A-XX will be freely sold. More precisely, when and if they will be available to allies. And will they be allies in these years.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 30 2021 09: 02
      +1
      Judging by the article published here on Topvar. The Penguin wins only in terms of weapons. All flight performance characteristics for the Japanese "Soul"
      1. eklmn
        eklmn April 30 2021 22: 50
        0
        “The Penguin wins only in terms of weapons. All flight performance characteristics for the Japanese "Soul"
        The remarkable Soviet hockey player Vyacheslav Starshinov, when he was well over 30, was still invited to play for the Soviet national team. The coaches of the national team were criticized for this, they say, “old, runs slowly,” to which Starshinov replied that no hockey player can outstrip the speed of the puck. They kept him in the team due to accurate and unexpected passes, leaving the enemy defenders unawares and outnumbered.
        Although the penguin loses in speed and maneuverability, it wins in many ways when compared with the J-31.
        “The J-31 has a subtle aerodynamic design and is likely to also have an invisible coating, but the factors that may differentiate it from the F-35 are the presence of radio-absorbing coating materials and the use of internal weapons bays. China does not have such materials yet. Beijing lacks the extensive electronic support and air-to-air refueling capabilities currently possessed by American stealth fighters such as the F-35 and F-22 Raptor, according to Global Security. At the moment, it is also not clear whether the J-31 will be adopted as a carrier-based naval fighter. In addition, even if the fighter does indeed possess aircraft carrier capabilities, it is not known whether it will be able to operate from two PLA Navy aircraft carriers with flight jump decks. "
        https://eurasiantimes.com/f-35-vs-j-31-can-chinas-stealth-j-31-aircraft-match-us-f-35-fighter-jet-blow-for-a-blow/
  • Errr
    Errr April 30 2021 07: 25
    +1
    Yes, this is not a collage, but the most, that neither is, a real podium. The Chinese (in the center) is already in the air, the Japanese (below) are still on the runway, and the Korean is just getting ready literally and figuratively (in the assembly shop). You look at this arrangement and, even without knowing China and Chinese, you will immediately understand that the Middle State (中国 - Zhongguo) is the most exalted of all. laughing
    The Chinese are so ... Chinese. lol
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 30 2021 07: 31
      +1
      Quote: Herrr
      that neither is, a real podium

      Exactly, on critical issues
      Gold is a problem with engines. Silver - no internal compartments. Bronze - overweight bully