China launched into orbit the base module of its space station

Today, President of the People's Republic of China Xi Jinping congratulated the country's citizens on the fact that China has launched the Tianhe base module of its space station into orbit. The launch took place at 6.23 from the Wenchang cosmodrome, located in the Hainan province.

The launch of a rocket with a spacecraft on board was reported by the CGTN TV channel.

"Tianhe", which weighs 20 tons, launched into orbit a heavy rocket Long March-5B, or "Changzheng-5B". It took her a little over eight minutes.

The successful launch of the Tianhe base module means that the construction of the national space station has entered a stage of implementation, which lays a solid foundation for the subsequent tasks.

- said Xi Jingping in his welcoming telegram.

The next step will be docking to the module of the Tianzhou-2 cargo spacecraft, to which the Shenzhou-12 spacecraft will subsequently fly, on board of which there will be three taykunauts (Chinese cosmonauts). They will become the first "inhabitants" of China's own space station. When this will happen and how many taikunauts will stay at the station, it has not yet been announced.

In the process of creating the Chinese space station, 11 rocket launches are planned. Among them there will be four manned missions.

Comments

[rocket757]

China launched into orbit the base module of its space station

One can only congratulate and ... regret !!! how much we have lost in our stupidity.

[Civil]

There are no Soviet stations ... there are no Russian ones yet.
The Communists of the PRC are the correct successors of the USSR's cause. Unlike the capitalist country of the 3 world.

[Svarog]

Here is a good example of how the socialist model develops, with the right approach. Actually, this option would have awaited the USSR, if not for the traitors. Well, now, it remains to envy their economic growth ... at 18 percent in the first two months of 2021 ... well, for the development of astronautics.
We are waiting for another joke from Rogozin ..

[unaha]

It’s even interesting how you imagine free enterprise and private property in the USSR? )

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: unaha

It’s even interesting how you imagine free enterprise and private property in the USSR? )

In the form of ROSPOTREBSOYUZ ...

[military_cat]

In China, there is private ownership of the means of production, and the number of billionaires is greater than in the United States. What do they have from the socialist model, besides the signboard, is not an obvious question.

[Tatyana]

The Chinese are great! They are intensively studying the deplorable experience of the USSR and do not want to repeat it.
The PRC is following its own national path! The Chinese comprador officials alone have been shot so many that they have already lost count!

If someone in China wants to go abroad or not stay in a Chinese commune, then no one will object on one condition - leave everything Chinese and belonging to the commune here in China and in the commune - and go wherever you want!

Congratulations to the PRC on another national scientific and technological achievement in space exploration!

[rocket757]

By the way, they also treat us ... wary / condescending !!! Because we asked for such a promising system of government !!! And even now, the ruling system is very unstable and as soon as one more maize, labeled, drunk, iPhone is headed, the state can collapse into Tartars !!!
It worries them !!!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: unaha

Even interesting

Google the topic of artels under Stalin.

[Vadim237]

These artels in everything depended on the planned distribution economy, if it did not produce the required amount of material, tool equipment, etc., then these artels also issued products in limited quantities, they could not buy everything that was not enough for them for production abroad.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

These artels depended in everything on the planned distribution economy.

It is immediately clear that you have not googled the topic, Vadik. And before you stigmatize the planned economy, take an interest in the planned Chinese economy.

[Svarog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And before you stigmatize the planned economy, take an interest in the planned Chinese economy.

A planned economy, taking into account today's information gathering and computing capabilities, is a guarantee of progress. What China demonstrates .. and in American corporations, in fact, a planned economy, a little modernized, but the essence is also .. This is what our economy is ... there is a question ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Svarog

Here's what our economy is ... here's the question ..

Normal feudal-colonial economy.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

"and in American corporations there is essentially a planned economy"

Will you show me the resolution of the US Council of Ministers on the development of the IPhone 3G?

[Svarog]

Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)

Will you show me the resolution of the US Council of Ministers on the development of the IPhone 3G?

Have you seen the decree on the creation of semiconductor heterostructures in the USSR?

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

You want to tell me that the widely advertised economic planning even in the USSR worked rather by accident? It's hard to disagree.

[Svarog]

Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)

You want to tell me that the widely advertised economic planning even in the USSR worked rather by accident? It's hard to disagree.

You need to take a verbal test. You will learn a lot about yourself

[Vadim237]

I have nothing to google because I know the planned distribution economy that was in the USSR and the market business planning that is now in China - different economies.

[Ingvar 72]

that is, if we call not a planned economy, but business planning, will the fact of having a plan change? You are the magician Vadik!

[rocket757]

In China, the state very effectively puts business in such a framework that the Soviet planning never DREAMED! Here they have learned to combine, manage !!! There WASN'T and CANNOT BE there any capitalist freemen in leading industries, important industries!
The Communist Party keeps its finger on the pulse of everything and always.
A strange model, but it shows undoubted success ... how long can this last ??????????????????????????????????????????????? Who knows, we need to create new theories, calculate new models.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: rocket757

A strange model, but it shows undoubted success

A hybrid economy, as Glazyev called it.
You are absolutely right, Victor.

[rocket757]

Whatever hybrid is / is there, the STATE remains the main one in all main directions.
The system is working steadily.

[Civil]

Quote: rocket757

Whatever hybrid is / is there, the STATE remains the main one in all main directions.
The system is working steadily.

Because the policy is determined by the Chinese Communist Party with a clear pro-people position.

[rocket757]

I have heard many times, and I have become convinced that there is not only black, white in the world ... there is also GRAY!
It is not in vain that they say about China that their system is some kind of hybrid or chimera ...
Not capitalism, but not socialism / communism either.
So guess who they have for whom. State for the people or people for the state ???
In my opinion, the skillful combination of interests and the development of the system continues.

[ZAV69]

Quote: Vadim237

These artels

Under Stalin, everything worked like a clock, artels had benefits and the ability to purchase raw materials. The first Soviet TV was produced by the artel. The enemy of the people, Khrushchev, killed all the artels and introduced egalitarianism. If not for this, the USSR would have existed to this day. And what was known as ROSPOTREBSOYUZ is a pale shadow of what should be.

[Svarog]

Quote: unaha

It’s even interesting how you imagine free enterprise and private property in the USSR? )

Have you heard anything about NEP?

[Vadim237]

"We've heard something about the NEP." It was turned down in 1928.

[syndicalist]

Quote: Svarog

Have you heard anything about NEP?

In general, the beginning of the construction of socialism was announced only at the 14th Congress of the CPSU (b) in 1925. By this time, the NEP was practically closed.

[unaha]

Good example. To put it simply, when it was screwed up - gritting teeth "turned on" a bit of capitalism. When he more or less revived the consumer market, he was immediately shut down. There are many reasons. Not the last, in my opinion, is the inability of the owls. farms compete with small private economies.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: unaha

There are many reasons.

But you only voiced the one you are comfortable with.

Quote: unaha

When he more or less revived the consumer market, he was immediately shut down.

I want to cry reading this.

[unaha]

Firstly, not "you", but "you". Secondly - a very "reasoned" answer. Third, cry, I don’t mind.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: unaha

Firstly, not "you", but "you".

Why are there many of you so smart?

Quote: unaha

Secondly - a very "reasoned" answer.

Was I obliged to argue?

Quote: unaha

Third, cry, I don’t mind.

So I sob from the unbearable stupidity of YOUR comment. The bloody Bolsheviks saw how the people zapanal after the introduction of the NEP and out of anger and envy of the NEP turned off. Ahahahaha. Look at the pace at which we are developing in the bright capitalist present. Now project it all in retrospect, taking into account those realities and draw conclusions. According to many industrial indicators, we have not returned to the level of the USSR, this is for 30 years on the best starting base. Yes, we were simply doomed to NEP. We needed rapid industrialization, because a war was inevitable in the near future, and the NEP would not have helped us in this. To follow the path of NEP is to follow the path of evolutionary development, if not for centuries, but for many decades with all the capitalist rakes like economic crises. We just didn't have time for that. And yes, this is again a threat to the restoration of capitalism. The one who killed tens of millions of people in the first world. With the exploitation of people for food for 12 hours a day in lousy living and working conditions without any social system. That was how capitalism was then for the average worker. To which we are slowly going now, and in some places we have reached.

[Genry]

Quote: unaha

How do you imagine free enterprise and private property in the USSR?

Under Stalin there were private traders and farms and industrial artels. Khrushchev lost everything.

[rocket757]

Quote: Genry

Khrushchev buried everything.

Not everything, of course, but the system of management built earlier, he thoroughly distorted.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Genry

Under Stalin there were private traders and farms and industrial artels.

and collective farms ...

Quote: Genry

Khrushchev lost everything.

Resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU of May 3, 1957 No. 495 "On the procedure for transferring collective farm property in the transformation of collective farms into state farms." In the period from 1954 to 1981, 27 collective farms were transformed into state farms, which amounted to 859% of their total number as of January 30,6, 1.

[rocket757]

Specify, private property FOR WHAT? because such in the USSR has always been, in parallel with the public!

[unaha]

For all. Otherwise, the market does not work. And without the market and American investments, China would have remained a country of "Red Guards".

[rocket757]

Someone is investing for the future, but someone is all in vain.
There are always more than one reasons for both success and otherwise!

[dSK]

Quote: unaha

and American investments

in 2020 China invested 35 trillion yuan in their own economy, or $ 5,4 trillion, this is almost 40% more than a year earlier.
Economy of the Celestial Empire - the only economy in the world that has already emerged from the coronavirus crisis and completed 2020 at + 3%. Growth in 2021 is projected at least 7,5% of GDP growth.

[dSK]

On the topic of the article - Russia can just as well participate in the construction of not only the ISS, but also the KRS (Chinese - Russian Station). The ISS is living out its term, is there any point in sending the Zvezda scientific module to it?
The states are constantly suppressing Russia and China, declaring us their "main enemies."
If the KRS project is implemented, the States, after the ISS was flooded, will have to create their own new Station alone ...

[Alex Justice]

And many more countries are already in Chinese bondage, including Kazakhstan.

[Rubi0]

And you don't have to imagine, just read about the artels that were created under Stalin.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Svarog

Here is a good example of how the socialist model develops, with the right approach.

National Socialist.

Quote: Svarog

Actually, this option would have awaited the USSR, if not for the traitors.

You don't need such an option from the word - at all. We still lacked a fascist state. It is easy and convenient to blame everything on traitors. In this case, you do not need to understand the real reasons. Read a bunch of boring books, rummage through the archives.

[rocket757]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

It is easy and convenient to blame everything on traitors.

Suppose there were traitors, among other things ...
The topic is not boring, but difficult and unpleasant ... like any story of mistakes, stupidity, not someone there, but many, including himself.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

But the main reason is not traitors.

[rocket757]

Can you name ONE, the most important secret ... the reason?
My opinion, a tight tangle of different reasons ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Svarog

Actually, this option would have awaited the USSR, if not for the traitors.

Money again for the fish.
Why didn't anyone support the Emergency Committee?
Why, after Belovezhskaya Pushcha, did the army not defend the USSR, the communists both in the center and in the periphery?
So, the whole country was made up of traitors?
How, in your opinion, did all sorts of Deripaska and Abramovich get state-owned enterprises into sovereign possession? We came there, and there, like in the cartoon "Three from Prostokvashino", it was written: "The company is free, use whoever you want"? No, they were given them for a song by allied officials, many of whom were members of the CPSU.
There were traitors. But not in the early nineties, but in the late sixties. Kosygin proposed just such a reform, which the Chinese later used. The traitors are those who put the device on Kosygin's proposals.

[Svarog]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

There were traitors. But not in the early nineties, but in the late sixties

Right. And in the 90s there were their followers .. but in the 60s they planted a mine and in the 90s it worked .. It was impossible to quickly dump the USSR .. For the first time I probably agree with you.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Svarog

in the 90s there were their followers.

Raised and nurtured. What goes around comes around.
They are all covered in chocolate, and we are left without the greatest country.
I personally consider the planned economy to be one of the greatest achievements of the Soviet regime. I will not expand the thought, I am sure you already know very well what I mean.

[Svarog]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

I personally consider the planned economy to be one of the greatest achievements of the Soviet regime. I will not expand the thought, I am sure you already know very well what I mean.

Again, I agree.

[Alex Justice]

A mine was planted in the 60s and in the 90s it worked ..

a mine was planted by the communists in the 24th, cutting Russia into pieces.

[Vadim237]

"Why nobody supported the Emergency Committee." Probably because the GKChP was created by the then Minister Valentin Pavlov, the one who carried out the well-known fiscal monetary reform - the very case when the road to hell was laid out with good intentions.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Vadim237

Probably because the State Emergency Committee was created by the then Minister Valentin Pavlov, who carried out the well-known fiscal monetary reform

The GKChP did not consist of Pavlov alone, and his tasks were completely different from Pavlov's "otmazyvanie".
Here is the content of the Committee's first appeal:
In its first appeal, the State Emergency Committee assessed the general sentiment in the country as highly skeptical of the new political course towards dismantling the highly centralized federal structure of governing the country and state regulation of the economy; condemned the negative phenomena that the new course, in the opinion of the compilers, has brought to life, such as speculation and the shadow economy; proclaimed that "the development of the country should not be based on a drop in the living standards of the population" and promised a tough establishment of order in the country and a solution to the main economic problems
Do you disagree with something?

[Vadim237]

By that time, all these appeals were empty, the country had neither money nor power, continuous debts, dumping and spreading in all spheres of public life, the Baltic states, as well as Ukraine, in fact, had already left the structure, and the USSR, so this was no longer officially recognized by putting an end to Belovezhskaya more.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why didn't anyone support the Emergency Committee?

How old were you in 1991? Before the events of 1991 took place, the "special officers" became strangely active. And for "stupid questions" the officer (the most active and suspiciously curious) could expect an investigation with the promise of deprivation of shoulder straps (and deprivation too) and a pension.
In order for the "Yeltsin reforms" to receive guaranteed success beforehand, the economy was methodically destroyed with the help of the SMS, and legalized speculation - "cooperative movement", brought the country to empty store shelves and "Pavlovian monetary reforms".
A revolution is possible when the upper classes “cannot” and the lower classes “do not want to”. And the nizam was offered a deceptive path of Gaidar-Chubais (or someone else's (???)) transformations, as a result of which everyone was “guaranteed” life with 400 varieties of sausage. And the hungry, disenfranchised, deprived of a place of work (and service as well), the Soviet people refused (out of naivete) from the annoying SMS and those reforms of post-developed socialism. In fact, they were made to believe that there is no other future under socialist development !!!
In addition, coups d'état in separately taken Moscow (as well as in a separate city on the Neva - I will not list the names) were 100% completed. That is why the staged performance with the arrest of the SMS in Foros and the new Lenin on an armored car (Yeltsin on a tank) received support in Moscow. And in the hinterland this EBN and his team knew (as flaky) only from the Sverdlovsk regional committee.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

So, the whole country was made up of traitors?

The country consisted of spectators who believed that a magician could get 290 million hares out of a hat. And the USSR was ruined by disinformation and indifference of citizens who were asked to make a choice between "voting" and "losing"; decide between coupons and empty shelves and "Bush's legs" (even with humanitarian aid from NATO countries (!!!)).

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: ROSS 42

The country was made up of viewers believing

However, in addition to the spectators working in all kinds of enterprises, there were many spectators who had very diverse opportunities to defend the USSR.
They, too, bought into the promises of four hundred varieties of sausage?
Citizens okay, but those who were aware of the matter due to their duty or position, why did they do nothing, because they had the resources?

[Svarog]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Citizens okay, but those who were aware of the matter due to their duty or position, why did they do nothing, because they had the resources?

My opinion is that those who could influence the situation were already morally corrupted by the system that brought them to the pinnacle of power. And it was laid down in the 60s ..
The rest, just went with the flow, someone not knowing and not assuming what the consequences would be, and someone counting on a "well-fed" life.

However, in addition to the spectators working in all kinds of enterprises, there were many spectators who had very diverse opportunities to defend the USSR.

There were no opportunities .. Remember how Gorbachev came in .. he raised the correct, as it seemed to everyone, problems .. Much needed to be changed .. but behind these changes turned out to be a banal deception. A citizen of the USSR is too much accustomed to relying on the state, relied on and believed ... then words and deeds did not diverge so much as they do now ..

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Svarog

My opinion is that those who could influence the situation were already morally corrupted by the system that brought them to the pinnacle of power. And it was laid down in the 60s ..
The rest, just went with the flow, someone not knowing and not assuming what the consequences would be, and someone counting on a "well-fed" life.

That's it!
And I have always tried to convey to you that we are arguing in the same vein. We only approach this on a collision course. This gives rise to the appearance of confrontation, although, in fact, there is no confrontation.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

although, in fact, there is no confrontation

The confrontation with you begins on the assessment of the actions of the current government, and on the issue of alternatives to it.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And I have always tried to convey to you that we are arguing in the same vein. We only approach this on a collision course.

Your clue is at least strange: you are trying to tell us what the Soviet people were:

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

So, the whole country was made up of traitors?

Oh! Renet ... looks like a wrench with which life is hammering on the head.
You are simply giving an incomprehensible line of reasoning. Based on your accusations against the Soviet people, you can draw a parallel in today's time, and it turns out that it was the Russian people who invented the minimum wage and pensions of 13 thousand, created a middle class with an income of 17 a month, organized the Olympics for their "happiness" and mundial to pay exorbitantly out of pocket for them. Then he raised his retirement age to have something to do in retirement; increased VAT so that traders get more profit (those who sell and resell). In order to raise patriotism and the domestic oil industry, he brought the prices at gas stations to the point of absurdity ... And so that there was no desire to express his own disagreement, he recruited 000 armed "Russian guards" ...
Tell us how and on what grounds can we TODAY stop the genocide of the population and finish off the Russian industry? How to stop inflation and curb the officials' appetites for super profits?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: ROSS 42

Tell us how and on what grounds can we TODAY stop the genocide of the population and finish off the Russian industry? How to stop inflation and curb the officials' appetites for super profits?

Nationalization of all mining and processing enterprises.
Restriction of freedom of speech and citizens' access to information.
Increasing personal liability for abuse of office, misuse of funds, and so on, both for the official himself and for his family members. Confiscation of property, life-long ban on holding public office.
Tightening up to life imprisonment (I am personally against the death penalty), for the embezzlers of the state budget.
Life imprisonment for repeat offenders.

[Bolt cutter]

Restriction of freedom of speech and citizens' access to information.

Do you really want this?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Do you really want this?

The Chinese live well with this.
Project "Golden Shield".
In the USSR, instead of this stupid access to information, books were read. No wonder the Soviet people were considered the most reading in the world.

[Bolt cutter]

You can start with yourself - do not read VO - pick up sedition Watch only Channel One, again, close the Internet for yourself.
I doubt the wonderfulness of Chinese life.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Where are you leading?
On the one hand, the people have the right to know!
On the other hand, what for do we need so many trash?
For the most part, society itself cannot really determine what it needs and what it doesn’t need.
It is as if at school the pupils themselves determined what they want to learn and what they don’t. From the category: "this is not useful to me in my life ..."

[Bolt cutter]

So let's limit your freedom of speech and your access to information? Is it okay? An authoritative board of members of the forum will decide what you can read and what you can comment on. Do you agree?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

So let's limit your freedom of speech and your access to information? Is it okay?

It is.
But how are you going to control this?

[Bolt cutter]

I do not need this - do you think it is appropriate to impose such prohibitions on yourself?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

is imposing such prohibitions on oneself appropriate?

What kind of prohibitions?
How to identify the most unbiased source of information? Do you have a prescription?

[Bolt cutter]

Do you have a prescription?

Nobody has it, so access to information should be free.

[Svarog]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

On the one hand, the people have the right to know!
On the other hand, what for do we need so many trash?
For the most part, society itself cannot really determine what it needs and what it doesn’t need.

What is tripe and what is not .. let the citizen determine. And he must also determine whether he needs this info or not.
In general, you need to start with ideology and build an agenda under the ideology ... starting from school ... But not with prohibitions, but with examples and propaganda. Prohibitions give nothing but the desire to overcome them.

[Alex Justice]

In the USSR, instead of this stupid access to information, books were read.

Soviet propaganda is still alive.

[New Year day]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Tightening up to life imprisonment (I am personally against the death penalty), for the embezzlers of the state budget.

The thing is necessary, that's just how it ends

Maybe the LAW should work for all, and not for the people?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Silvestr

Maybe the LAW should work for everyone

This is the only way he should work. But, alas, this is a utopia, even in Stalin's times. Or do you have strong evidence that all those responsible were punished?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

This is the only way he should work. But, alas, this is a utopia, even in Stalin's times.

Is it only Stalinist? Does it work for everyone now?

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[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I wrote about this.
The law was not equal for everyone, even in Stalin's times. What can we say about the current ones.

[New Year day]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

But, alas, this is a utopia, even in Stalin's times.

Do you want to say that only in his years there was a LAW?

[Svarog]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Restriction of freedom of speech and citizens' access to information.

So I am against, categorically against this point .. There is no need to limit anything, you need to develop it, but within certain limits.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Svarog

So I am against, categorically against this point .. There is no need to limit anything, you need to develop it, but within certain limits.

Remember collectivization and industrialization in the USSR in the twenties and thirties.
Could such stunning successes have been achieved without strict prohibitions and harsh punishment for violating them?
Now we need to collectivize and industrialize again. And the people watch vulgar Malakhovism and Solovyov's hubbub on TV or sit on their phones in these endless news feeds and social networks.

[Svarog]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Remember collectivization and industrialization in the USSR in the twenties and thirties.
Could such stunning successes have been achieved without strict prohibitions and harsh punishment for violating them?

I am sure you can. You do not think that the opinion of "grandmothers on the bench" can affect the economy. And then, you need to take into account the times .. they are different and people are already different. Your thought is understandable, but it will not have the same effect now. Moreover, the effect may be the opposite. The world and people have become much different.

[sniperino]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

those who, by duty or position, were aware of the matter, why did they not do anything, because they had the resources?

"The Chekists have given free rein to the swindlers,
Having its own interest of diamonds. "

[Svarog]

Quote: ROSS 42

And the USSR was ruined by disinformation and indifference of citizens who were asked to make a choice between "voting" and "losing"; decide between coupons and empty shelves and "Bush's legs" (even with humanitarian aid from NATO countries (!!!)).

As I see it, there was no such choice ... there was an illusion ... but just like now.
Thank you for such an interesting and high-quality comment .. Reading it I remembered .. In the village then I was visiting my grandmother, I was probably about 12 years old .. Brezhnev was still at the helm ... And the grandmother alone, on the bench predicted .. that the tagged one would come, the next general secretary .. and a lot of troubles from him will come with him .. And it turned out that way ..

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Svarog

Here is a good example of how the socialist model develops, with the right approach.

And the most important thing is that nowhere were dozens of pretentious messages that China within 10 years will determine the direction of the vector of development of the concept of creation ... that the development of requirements for design documentation for the production of a demonstration model has begun ... commission for the selection of bids ...
We did it without chatter and started it.

[Svarog]

Quote: Polite Elk

We did it without chatter and started it.

As in the USSR .. they didn’t talk but did it.

[VTR-295]

The problem is that in China, the name of the party and the stars on the flag remained from socialism / communism. Capitalism has long been there, albeit under state control

[Vadim237]

The Russian will use the Angara A2025 after 5 for the withdrawal of modules. "The PRC are the correct successors of the USSR cause" Of course, the successors of this module are that they brought out a clean copy-paste of the Soviet one, only lengthened.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

Russian will be after 2025

And after death, all of us are waiting for paradise booths! You remind me of the priest.
Wake up already, Vadik! Stop cradling, it's time to wake up.

[Vadim237]

And you look like a fool - go better with your left disks again.

[Ingvar 72]

Yes, the intellect splashes straight!
And after the 25th, the deadlines were shifted, as usual, and we will again be told that we need to wait a bit. You're really like a pop, Vadik. Well, or like Putin.

[Vadim237]

There is nothing surprising in the shift in terms - all over the world it is so in aviation, astronautics, shipbuilding, and so on. And the fact that Ross station is not just a verbal wish, but for at least several years of development and R&D they say the exact characteristics and an accurate 3D model one of 7 modules

And yes Priests are in someone's head - treat this disease.

[Ingvar 72]

Damn, Vadik, well, take care of my nerves - I regularly see these pictures on TV, but where are they in real life? At first there were pictures of Armata accompanied by victorious fanfare, now they explain her absence in the troops with childish babble. Somehow on TV there was a presentation of an ultra-modern carriage, ten years ago. Where is this blue carriage? So it is with Armata, SU-57, for which there are no new engines, then missiles.
The tea is boiling - there is no tea leaves, and Tamarka has not come either ...
Even Navalny was not able to trawl normally, ugh!

[Vadim237]

Uralvagonzavod is fulfilling an order for 132 platforms for the Ministry of Defense for trial operation, a platform that is fundamentally new for the troops and it takes a lot of time for its implementation and development. Somehow on TV there was a presentation of an ultra-modern carriage, ten years ago. What kind of ultra-modern carriage? Su 57 began to be mass-produced since last year - the engine of the second stage will begin to be installed from 2024 - the aircraft does not need equipment like the same F 35, and there are more than 70 flaws and flaws.
Even Navalny was not able to trawl normally, ugh! They only believe in his poisoning by the FSB.

[Disant]

And after the 25th, the dates were shifted as usual,

what does it mean - as usual?
there is a federal space program 2016-2025.
What shifts were there?

[Ingvar 72]

Is it news for you that almost all state programs are almost the norm for deadlines?

Roscosmos General Director Dmitry Rogozin responded to criticism of President Vladimir Putin, who spoke about the disruption of the deadlines for the implementation of space programs. The head of the state corporation said that the government is pulling their approval.

"Novost" dated 02.11.20. It did not even reach approval there, let alone implementation.

[Disant]

Is it news for you that almost all state programs are almost the norm for deadlines?

I repeat: so what has moved?
.
In December, there were only disagreements over funding for some starting subprograms that will gobble up all the allocated money to Roscosmos - in particular, on the heavy Yenisei and Sphere (satellite constellation). And this was due to the financial cuts of the entire federal program right before these events.
.

Program provides for creating the necessary groundwork for a full-scale exploration of the moon after 2025 and implementation by 2030 disembarkation man to the moon.

and the disagreements, as I see it, are precisely because of the Yenisei, since it duplicates the functions of the Angara. Roskosmos wants to build more and more powerful, but they are beating it on the hands.
There is a backlog in the form of an Angara, but expediency disembarkation questionable, because disembarkation for the sake of disembarkation is not needed by anyone.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Disant

I repeat: so what has moved?

Why are you forcing me to delve into the details? Do you question Putin's words about the disruption of the space program? Is he driving bullshit or something?
Your exhortations that people are working, things are progressing, do not stand up to criticism, and China has proved this to you.

[Disant]

Why are you forcing me to delve into the details?

? !! ??
well, you are saying that
- the terms have been shifted as usual
- missed deadlines for the space program
that's why I asked you this question - "what is shifted as usual?"
.
As for the "exhortations", I gave you a link to the text from the main provisions of the federal space program 2016-2025, posted on the Roscosmos website, which may refer to the disagreements that have arisen, which you indicated as the events of early November last year.
.
it seems to me that you got excited by saying about "shifts as usual"

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Disant

that you got excited by saying about "shifts as usual

Can you give you a list of cases when the deadlines were shifted? There are a lot of them, and not only in the space industry, and you can easily find yourself by asking a question in a search engine.
It was on the basis of the mass of shifts that I used the word "as usual".

[Disant]

Can you give you a list of cases when the deadlines were shifted?

yes, of course, please. that's what I'm asking you about.
.

there is a federal space program 2016-2025.
What shifts were there?

[vadim dok]

China plans to build a fully orbital station by the end of the CURRENT 2021! China plans and WILL BUILD, no doubt!

[Cosm22]

Firstly, first you need to wait for the Angara to exit from the LCI. Yes, but successful. Who forgot - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has been playing Proton-M on LKI for almost ten years, until it gave a start in life. But Proton-M is only a modification of an already flying product. Unlike the Angara, after all, it is a new launch vehicle. So you should be more careful with the victory dates.
Secondly, what is soviet copy-paste? Any residential base orbital module is usually in the form of a cylinder. Apparently, Pythagoras and Euclid slammed the idea of ​​the cylinder?
Stop talking nonsense about some kind of copy-paste. That China is allegedly stealing something from poor gullible Russia.
China has long ago surpassed Russia by several corps. And this gap will only increase every day.
You need to talk less with your tongue, mentioning trampolines, but do the job. How China is doing. The first basic module of the KKS - "Tianhe" was brought out. Next in line are the other two - Wentian and Mengtian. The delivery of the taikonauts will be handled by the Shenzhou Aircraft Company, and the delivery of goods by the Tianzhou truck.
The Changzheng-22,5V LV launched 5 tons of the module. So who is copy-pasting who? Or has a working hydrogen plant already been created in Russia? Before him - as before the moon.
In addition, "Changzheng-7" and "Changzheng-2F" will also serve KKS.
The entire architecture of the station will be assembled a year later. YEAR!!! Does anyone have doubts that this will not happen? And in a couple of years, China will launch the Xuntian space telescope into KS orbit, the functionality of which is commensurate with the capabilities of the Hubble, and in some ways even surpasses them.
And we still proudly declare that China is supposedly copy-pasting something with us?
Maybe it’s better to remember that for a quarter of a century we still cannot bring to mind the one and only MLM module?
That the installation of additional filters on the tanks did not radically solve the problem with them? And that this trick with the ears can still backfire in the future?

[Vadim237]

"Stop talking nonsense about some kind of copy-paste. That China is allegedly stealing something from poor gullible Russia." A real copy-paste, and yes, Russia has a lot of things hanging, especially in armament, and yes, they have almost everything of their own on their equipment of bullshit quality, so they use technological design solutions and foreign equipment to produce their own high-quality ones.
Or has a working hydrogen plant already been created in Russia? Before him - as before the Moon Why does Russia need an oxygen-hydrogen rocket engine at the first stage? There is a quite powerful RD 191 and an even more powerful RD 171MV
as well as for the upper stage RD 0146 it works on oxygen, hydrogen
By 2011, 30 firing tests were carried out on 4 engine samples with a total operating time of 1680 seconds
On November 20, 2013, fire tests of the RD-0146D engine in high-altitude conditions were successfully carried out - for the first time, launch was implemented under normal vacuum conditions and uninterrupted flow in the nozzle was ensured due to the use of a gas-dynamic tube
More than 100 tests have been carried out with a total operating time of over 5000 seconds. As part of the creation of a rocket engine of the RD-0146 family, fire tests were carried out:

RD-0146 engine with laser ignition of fuel components;
RD-0146D engine in standard vacuum conditions;
RD-0146DM engine fueled by liquid oxygen - liquefied natural gas. So the "Moon" was much closer than anyone thinks.
"And in a couple of years, China will launch the Xuntian space telescope into orbit of the KKS, the functionality of which is commensurate with the capabilities of the Hubble, and in some ways even surpasses them." - And no one cares about him - everyone is waiting for the withdrawal of the John Web telescope.
Maybe it’s better to remember that for a quarter of a century we still cannot bring to mind the one and only MLM module? This is primarily due to funding, or rather to its absence for many years.

[Cosm22]

1. Stop pushing on the merits of Glushko's engines. The engines are good, no doubt, but the time is different now. What's the use of having RD 191 and RD 171MV? Well, let's make an even more powerful modification (since we can't do anything else) RD 171MV! And we will loudly declare this to the whole world! What's the point? Will this give the fifth Union or Angara a chance to wedge into the international launch market? Not. Both Soyuz-5 and Angara can operate only on the Russian domestic market. Due to the fact, by the way, that these same RD 191 and RD 171MV will be installed on them. These engines are powerful, but not competitive. They are very expensive, they have a large mass and dimensions, and they are disposable (do not confuse the concept of restarting with the ability to make a reusable stage based on them). Here's a paradox ... Great engines - but ... From yesterday.
But a certain Musk went the other way. Made by a simple and cheap Merlin. And he put his F9 RK on his shoulder blades. For neither Angara nor Soyuz-5 can compete with it. And why? Because Falcon is a PH with perfect weight perfection. The Fifth Union generally needs RB in order to throw the cargo onto the GSO, despite the super powerful RD 171MV. For the second time I ask - what's the point with him? From such an engine?
2. At one time, I already gave a good piece of advice to one of my opponents: do not clog the topic with sheets from Wiki, you just need to give the necessary link.
Further. OIs are of no interest to anyone. Let them be in great numbers. This is not the point. And the fact that they are not in the RN. RD 0146 does not stand at any stage in any Russian carrier. And this is a fact. Depressing. Everything else is fiction.
3. Generally speaking, everyone is waiting for the launch of the James Webb Telescope. John Webb was an English architect. However, this is a trifle.
But the fact is bad that for you launching a unique spacecraft into orbit is the same trifle, apparently. And such an attitude is already a tendency among a fair number of jingoistic patriots. Bezos has already announced the recruitment of passengers for the suborbit at the New Shepard - a trifle, not interesting.
A helicopter on Mars made another successful flight - a trifle.
Musk's Dragon flew a second time? A trifle.
Has the first stage of F9 successfully completed its ninth landing? A trifle.
And what is not a trifle? And here's what: the second Union, originally from the second half of the last century, was successfully shot by OneWeb satellites. This is an achievement!
You know, I really like China's successes in space.
I also really like the success of the United States in space.
And I, no doubt, would really like Russia's successes in space.
But, alas, there are none ...

[Vadim237]

"Will this give the fifth Soyuz or Angara a chance to wedge into the international launch market? No. Both Soyuz-5 and Angara can operate only in the domestic market of Russia. By the way, these same RD 191 and RD 171MV will be installed on them. ". About this crap sucked out of your finger - remember when both Soyuz 5 and Angara A5 will launch commercial loads, both ours and foreign ones.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

China is capitalist. Do not flatter yourself.

[Ross xnumx]

China launched into orbit the base module of its space station

How do you like that, Mr. Rogozin?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

He will probably post another photo toad in response. As much pride takes our drivers by our hands. How creative they are.

[slipped]

Quote: ROSS 42

How do you like that, Mr. Rogozin?

He will say: Well, this .... We launched our same module, already the second, on July 12, 2000.

Is the memory short?

[Vadim237]

Memory is not short - some people do not have it at all.

[dSK]

Quote: slipped

Memory

The media write that the United States is against the flights of Chinese astronauts to the ISS. Could Russia bring a Chinese to the ISS, in opposition to the United States and to strengthen Russian - Chinese cooperation?

[slipped]

Quote from dsk

Quote: slipped

Memory

The media write that the United States is against the flights of Chinese astronauts to the ISS. Could Russia bring a Chinese to the ISS, in opposition to the United States and to strengthen Russian - Chinese cooperation?

Not. China's non-participation in the ISS program is spelled out as a separate line in the agreement. But there are no space tourists there, so the first space tourist Dennis Tito was brought to the ISS in spite of the Americans, the latter, gritting their teeth, banned him - the American visit to the ISS AS officially. Then this issue was settled with other tourists. I think if a Chinese travels as a tourist, the United States will not be able to do anything either.

[slipped]

Quote from dsk

At the Chinese Station, which docking nodes are incompatible with ours, will the Union be able to dock to it on a friendly visit?

The usual "Soyuz MS" is not. He has an SSEP. You will need to install a special IDA-type adapter on the ISS. A similar adapter has been developed for the UM "Prichal". At the same time, it is possible to order a new Soyuz MS in the production process already with a docking unit like the Chinese, since the Chinese is made on the basis of the Soviet APAS-89. You get something like this:

Of course, you need to look at the interfaces, how much they coincide. In principle, the adapter solves all problems.

[syndicalist]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

China is capitalist. Do not flatter yourself.

It depends on what signs. If we take the whole set, then, in fact, a fascist state was built there in its purest form.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Precisely what a capitalist fascist state. But people who consider themselves to be leftists, although they are often quite right-wing, with their petty-bourgeois views, still have illusions that there is socialism there. Apparently because of the screen of red flags, quasi-communist rhetoric and the presence of state planning with five-year plans. People don't want to think and analyze at all.

[slipped]

Quote: Civil

There are no Soviet stations ... there are no Russian ones yet

Oh, this selective blindness. Raise your head. The ISS is flying over you now.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: slipped

The ISS is flying over you now

Critical sarcasm!

[valton]

Judging by my age then, it was about 1954. I then listened to the conversation of adults (they did not pay attention to me) and memorized the words of my grandmother. She said, "The Bible says that the yellow race will rule the world." I don't know if there is such a thing in the Bible or not, but I memorized its words.

[slipped]

Quote: rocket757

China launched into orbit the base module of its space station

One can only congratulate and ... regret !!! how much we have lost in our stupidity.

What have we lost? We have two such stations - one has been in operation for 15 years, the other has been in operation for 20 years.

[rocket757]

We have lost a lot, no one can list.

[Vadim237]

In fact, they did not lose anything.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

In fact, they did not lose anything.

And they even acquired a lot of things. I'm talking about space technologies. Their level jumped by an order of magnitude.

[rocket757]

Quote: Vadim237

In fact, they did not lose anything.

Quote: slipped

And even acquired a lot

It is clear, you have not lost anything, you have found each other ...

[Vadim237]

And what exactly can be lost - maybe the production of materials for astronautics is not present recently at least two have created one composite another alloy based on nickel and aluminum all the production equipment has remained as it was and a new one has started to introduce additive technologies new CAD systems in the development and design of a system of digital twins can lost production of engines of new rockets of spacecraft satellites of special equipment no special equipment may have lost competence in the training of cosmonauts, but no, they may have lost competence in research missions and apparatuses, the same is not present Radioastron Spectrum RG Phobos Soil is lost due to the emergency launch of the Exomars 2022 carrier at the end this year, the Luna 25 station will be sent to the moon may have lost competence during the construction of cosmodromes there is no second stage of the Vostochny one is being built, maybe specialists are now young up to 35 years old, 50000 work in Roscosmos - So what have we lost?

[rocket757]

Quote: Vadim237

production of materials for astronautics no recently at least two have created one composite another alloy based on nickel and aluminum

This is a natural way of developing different materials for different purposes.

COMPOSITES - The author of fundamental works in this direction is Valery Vitalievich Vasiliev.
In the 80s, the development of strategic missile systems began in the USSR, and the RK Molodets and Topol-M appeared. Then the question arose of maximizing the lightness of the structure and maintaining a strong and rigid structure.
Specialists from TsNIISM proposed to combine composite materials and mesh structure technology used in construction. An unusual idea found support and work began on the project. In the late 80s, the technology was brought to life.

Wherever you go, this is a touch from the past ...
By the way, when I wrote about losses, this is not only in astronautics, but IN GENERAL!
We return, I hope, to what could have been done already then ...
BUT, I don’t like to groan and gasp, now I have to move forward, and for this we have to rebuild or build a lot, a lot, to organize on a new one ... or do you think that everything is in order everywhere?

[Piramidon]

Quote: rocket757

China launched into orbit the base module of its space station

One can only congratulate and ... regret !!! how much we have lost in our stupidity.

The main thing is that they don’t talk a lot about plans, like Rogozin, but they just do business and publish only the results.

[rocket757]

Word, this is not the case ... we know this, but the officials ??? They have lost the habit of being responsible for words.

[slipped]

Quote: Piramidon

The main thing is that they don’t talk a lot about plans, like Rogozin, but they just do business and publish only the results.

Don't drive bullshit, the Chinese have been advertising this station for five years. As for us, we are also "doing business" - the next module for retrofitting the ISS RS MLM-U "Nauka" is in the thermal vacuum chamber during pre-flight tests at the cosmodrome.

[dSK]

When do you think the ISS will be flooded?

[slipped]

Quote from dsk

When do you think the ISS will be flooded?

It is hard to say. But it is known that it is definitely not in 2025. Negotiations on the station are underway, there are different options. Perhaps the future ROSS and ISS will be operated in parallel for some time.

[dSK]

Will it be possible to transfer the module "Science" to our ROSS, it can still serve for a long time ...

[slipped]

Quote from dsk

Will it be possible to transfer the module "Science" to our ROSS, it can still serve for a long time ...

If the ROSS is brought out as planned, it will be impossible to do this at an inclination of more than 90 ° - there will not be enough power for the station's engines, or rather even fuel for the propulsion system - there will be no Progress If the inclination was less, then a possible solution would be to install the ID-500 for testing purposes on the outer surface of MLM-U and a gradual multi-month transition from one inclination to another. But here one more question arises, related to the element base of the CS module - it is old.

At ROSS, the control system will be much more modern and simpler from the outset. In addition, NEM - stands for the Scientific and Energy Module - everything is in order with science there - there will be their own scientific stands, and immediately with cool energy.

[region58]

Quote: slipped

ROSS will be brought out, as planned, to an inclination of over 90 °

And what is the basis for putting the station into such an orbit? This is not only the station itself, but also constant flights to it. And this is either a smaller payload, or extra fuel. Which is actually the same thing.

[slipped]

Quote: region58

And what is the basis for putting the station into such an orbit?

[region58]

No, this is all clear, but what is the inclination of 97 degrees in this case. better inclination, for example, 83 degrees? And it's easier to launch into such an orbit, it's not for nothing that the Earth is spinning, let it help. In the world, only Israel is forced to launch satellites against the rotation of the Earth, but why do we need it?

[slipped]

Quote: region58

but why do we need it?

There has not yet been a detailed explanation of the orbital situation. We wait.

[region58]

Quote: slipped

We wait.

Well, let's wait ...

[xorek]

Quote: rocket757

China launched into orbit the base module of its space station

One can only congratulate and ... regret !!! how much we have lost in our stupidity.

Well done, of course, the Chinese know how to concentrate the country's resources .. But this is still secondary and they copy technologies from the times of the USSR .. Russia will also launch its station, there will be no problems, but it’s only a little expensive ..
The dash into space will be with the country that will be able to create an engine based on new physical principles than now ...

[rocket757]

It is clear that near-earth inhabited stations are not a step forward to the STARS, but it is still important, new technologies are needed there too !!!
In general, this is a success.

[xorek]

Quote: rocket757

It is clear that near-earth inhabited stations are not a step forward to the STARS, but it is still important, new technologies are needed there too !!!
In general, this is a success.

Here it is definitely FOR! And then Russia, as taxi drivers, drove Amers to the ISS and in fact did not have a special status there ... Your station needs to be launched, but in order for a long time and reliably .. The USSR was the first in this, and now there are new developments, but with financing of course the problem .. Bastards steal and sabotage in every possible way!
Well, God forbid!

[vadim dok]

By the way, on the first and second stages of the Changcheng-5 launch vehicle, the engines run on HYDROGEN fuel, and Russia still does not have such. Only for the Angara-5V launch vehicle it is PLANNED a 3-stage engine.

[slipped]

Quote: vadim dok

By the way, on the first and second stages of the Changcheng-5 launch vehicle, the engines run on HYDROGEN fuel, and Russia still does not have such engines.

By the way, they are not needed now. Angara-A5 displays a comparable PN on oxygen-kerosene.

[New Year day]

No, you can't! We've been told about China's successes all week! You can't do that!

[Ingvar 72]

Yes, a disgrace! Against the background of the achievements of the Chinese, Putin's "breakthroughs" cause nothing but evil laughter.
"But we have surpassed the Chinese in terms of spending on the Olympics" - ugh!

[Svarog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

"But we have surpassed the Chinese in terms of spending on the Olympics" - ugh!

We are the first in terms of expenses Crimean bridge ... 2,5 times more expensive than the Chinese one for km.

[Ingvar 72]

Greetings Volodya!
Well, there is at least some benefit from the Crimean bridge, but from these games (the Olympics and the World Cup), there is generally zero sense. How many zaputintsy shouted here that this is prestige, and they will respect us, but why then this year our athletes themselves pasted over the symbols, and instead of the anthem they listened to the classics?
How long?

[Svarog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Well, there is at least some benefit from the Crimean bridge, but from these games (the Olympics and the World Cup), there is generally zero sense.

Hi Igor That's for sure, there is benefit from the Crimean Bridge ... but individuals also benefited from the Olympics ..

How long?

Until the statesmen come to power .. but it seems that they will have to wait for a long time ..

[Ingvar 72]

Judging by the remote voting, which is being prepared for our own safety (covid! ), probably really long. Moreover, the EP has such a rating!

[Vadim237]

"Crimean bridge ... 2,5 times more expensive than the Chinese one per km." Probably because the Chinese bridge is one structure and the Crimean bridge is two structures - a railway bridge and a road bridge, plus difficult construction conditions, a seismically active zone, mud volcanoes and a possible off-season ice drift.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

plus difficult construction conditions, a seismically active zone, mud underwater volcanoes and a possible off-season ice drift.

Yes, almost like on the Russian island. They also said that breakthrough technologies and everything was taken into account.
Do not promise.
And in comparison with the price - it is objective, and almost equivalent bridges are compared. By the way, for example, a kilometer of a four-lane highway in China costs several times cheaper than ours, while they make roads on a concrete cushion, and not on a sand and gravel, like ours.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Silvestr

we are told about the successes of China!

Forgot how they giggled .... Chinese "Great Leap Forward"

[Overlock]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Forgot how they giggled .... Chinese "Great Leap Forward"

But only some 40 years have passed!

[Vadim237]

China owes its successes, first of all, to foreign investments in technology and equipment, cheap and large labor force and its production printer system in the form of copying and hybridization of our and foreign developments, and the fact that in Russia we have a limp on both legs - discipline and hard work. people.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vadim237

China owes its successes, first of all

These are common phrases.
The death penalty, which, according to Russian liberals, does not affect the state of corruption, exists and works in the PRC, and in Russia there is a moratorium on it. It is clear who and for what will fall under the distribution.
In China, I believe that every generation of Chinese is working for the future of the country and does not separate itself from the whole people (you cannot hear about foreign villas, yachts and other crap there either). With Americans who have given them something, they are constantly careful and do not sell for chicken legs, even if they have to eat bats.
I could tell you about what requirements for the training of saboteurs were laid in the PRC and how many soldiers and how long they could put under arms, but ...
Someone tried to accuse China of the state doping system when suddenly and unexpectedly they won so many medals at their own Olympics? (Although these athletes have not been exposed anywhere before) ... Someone in Strasbourg or some other Brussels tried to fine the PRC for industrial plagiarism?
And so it happened that the PRC put the base module into orbit, and Russia revels in Rogozin's promises and listens to tales about American trampolines.

[New Year day]

Quote: ROSS 42

In China, I believe that every generation of Chinese is working for the future of the country and does not separate itself from the whole people.

Very informative, at the end - about us, Russia

[Vadim237]

The death penalty, which, according to Russian liberals, does not affect the state of corruption. And how does it work against corruption in China - as there was corruption there, and it has subsided there and does not think to leave. And so it happened that the PRC brought the basic module into orbit, which the PRC copied and pasted from Russia and slightly modernized it, and in Russia there is already assembly in hardware and R&D on everything stated - the dogs bark the caravan goes.

[New Year day]

Quote: Vadim237

China owes its successes, first of all, to foreign investments in technologies and equipment, cheap and large labor force ...

And in 2000, wasn't it so?

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, not so - in China, they began in the 70s and it did not have the devastation of the late 80s, 90s and early 2000s, and yes, foreign investments in Russia and China are generally incomparable.

[donavi49]

This is also about cities and infrastructures are not posted here. Here are two cities of the same importance for the country.
Rossiyushka, and I chose a rich city with a less intelligent leader.

China, Tianjin.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: donavi49

Here are two cities of the same importance for the country.

Don't torment your soul ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Don't torment your soul ...

Compare and do not be tormented:

[Vadim237]

You propose to build office and residential high-rise buildings in all our cities for 40-50 or more floors - because the photographs you cited do not say anything else.

[New Year day]

Quote: Vadim237

You propose to build office and residential high-rise buildings in all our cities for 40-50 or more floors - because the photographs you cited do not say anything else.

The question is not about the number of storeys, but about an open field and about its absence ... then

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Vadim237

You propose to build office and residential high-rise buildings in all our cities with 40-50 or more floors

In Moscow it is called renovation.

[Vadim237]

In Moscow, there are construction restrictions for such floors.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Vadim237

In Moscow, there are construction restrictions for such floors.

This is a Sobyan flaw, unambiguously. We must urgently cancel them. Where is Putin only looking? In Moscow, it is high time to build 125 storey buildings instead of 5 storey Khrushchev buildings. And let the Kremlin undergo renovation. How much space is wasted. Buying a 500-storey Kremlin so that all generations of hereditary officials have enough space for 300 years. In spite of the spiritless west.

[xorek]

Quote: Silvestr

No, you can't! We've been told about China's successes all week! You can't do that!

Do you want to read about Musk's successes ..)))))

[New Year day]

Quote: xorek

Do you want to read about Musk's successes ..

About us, about Russia. But alas ...

[xorek]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: xorek

Do you want to read about Musk's successes ..

About us, about Russia. But alas ...

I also want this, but perhaps there are successes, but somehow all this is hushed up and hammered by some of Musk's adherents, etc. It's just a shame.
After all, Russia has now entered the orbit of persecution and only the lazy one does not kick Russia and the majority of the population under the western howl ... Because we do not want such democracy, we are not tolerant ... Otherwise, they would immediately fly to Mars together with the USA and Europe
That's how we live so far, we chew our bread .. We scratch our heads and think that now the West wants from us .. Democracy? Capitalism? Tolerance? Or maybe not at all? That is the question

[Cananecat]

I wonder if they have their own docking stations or international ones? You won't have to save them?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Canecat

You won't have to save them?

What?

[Alexander 3]

The station and missile production technologies date back to the USSR, therefore, the docking modules must be universal.

[donavi49]

Specifically, this missile has nothing in common with the Soviet ones. Moreover, the union had only 1 rocket equal to it in terms of fuel vapor (and this is the basis from which the rocket is built), which flew several times.

This rocket is closer to the European Ariane, only with liquid fuel kerosene boosters. Moreover, in the mid-00s, China actively outbid the leading hydrogen producers and rocket scientists in France and the United States.

[slipped]

Quote: donavi49

Specifically, this missile has nothing in common with the Soviet ones.

Wrong. The Yf-100 first stage engine is the Chinese version of the Soviet RD-120.

[donavi49]

Well, these are boosters. All Americans and Europeans use solid-fuel, and the Chinese use liquid-fuel kerosene. Moreover, according to unification - this engine is their main LongMarche6 - and LongMarche7 successfully flies - this year it has already flown.

The main in the LM5 are hydrogen stages with their own engines, where they were more focused on Ariane .

[Blackmokona]

Not a fact, they slightly increased their Union, this can lead to the impossibility of docking

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What?

Who?

[Ingvar 72]

"And why" - Rogozin will say, and go to sleep lazily ...

[Cat Alexandrovich]

And really interesting. M. b. who knows?

[Ingvar 72]

Rogozin trampolines, they will land softer!

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I wonder if they have their own docking stations or international ones? You won't have to save them?

They have their own version of the Soviet APAS-89. The knot itself is quite heavy in comparison with the Soviet SSVP, but the power of the Chinese missiles allows it to be carried on ships.

[Undecim]

Well. All that remains is to congratulate the Chinese comrades on the next successful stage in the exploration of near-earth space. As they say - through thorns - to the stars.

[Kushka]

And the "chairman" with a small letter is because he is Chinese?

[Ingvar 72]

I would like to hear Rogozin's comments.

[Semen Sychev]

Tomorrow, a snout of its eaten-up on what picture the Chinese will attach and go to the cashier for a prize of several million.

[Roman070280]

And they, too, have been building it since the 90s, as we do Science ??

[donavi49]

Comparison of the Chinese and other basic modules.

Volume

Plans.


Hack and predictor Aviator


The next launch in a month is the Tianzhou ship - 5 tons of payload.

June manned launch of three Teikunauts.


From the latest news of the Chinese space program - Chanye6 was reworked according to the experience of Chanye5. The mission has been greatly complicated. The station will fly to the Aitken basin at the South Pole far side of the moon... Mission objectives:
- Return up to 10 kg of soil in separate containers.
- Mobile drilling rig.
- Approbation of automatic landing systems in a complex crater.

The active development of Chinese voyagers has been confirmed. China will send 2 devices to the external solar system. One will fly to study the heliosphere. Another will fly to Uranus. One more spacecraft will go to the asteroid belt before 26, and candidates for close study are now being defended.

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Comparison of the Chinese and other basic modules.

Wrong picture. The Zarya module is not basic for the ISS. This is a functional cargo unit. The base module of the ISS is its Service Module "Star", from the structure of which the base module of the "Tianhe" station was copied. In fact, the Chinese have repeated the ideology of the base unit of the Mir station.

[dSK]

At the Chinese Station, which docking nodes are incompatible with ours, will the Union be able to dock to it on a friendly visit?

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At the Chinese Station, which docking nodes are incompatible with ours, will the Union be able to dock to it on a friendly visit?

I answered you above, where you have deleted the comment.

[Antagonist]

China launched into orbit the base module of its space station

My congratulations to the Chinese. What can you say, well done. This is what it means not to chase someone, but simply to go your own way without looking back at others.

[Dikson]

What is Mr. Rogozin going to explore with China, the moon? Why would the Chinese need ballast in the form of Russia? This is good news .. - On the Moon, China is already competing with the states, on Mars - too .. now rivalry will begin in orbit .. everyone needs an intermediate base in orbit ..

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What is Mr. Rogozin going to explore with China, the moon?

And they even adopted a joint statement on cooperation in the creation of an International Scientific Lunar Station.

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Why would the Chinese need ballast in the form of Russia?

Probably because without this "ballast" in the form of Russian-made RTGs they cannot ride on the Moon?

[Knell wardenheart]

Somewhat I don't understand the sighs of delight - the Chinese have finally begun to create their own "World" - it is this niche (modular cs) that they occupy for the first time for themselves. For our country (as far as I am a skeptic), this is an option 35 years ago. Undoubtedly, the pace of implementation of decisions in the PRC is amazing, but we must understand that the overwhelming majority of the activities that they carry out at this facility have already been implemented to one degree or another at Mir and ISS.

[NF68]

"Backward" China.

[Vadim237]

Not "China copying"

[Ingvar 72]

Results come first, or ends justify the means.

[Vadim237]

Copy-paste has never been and will not be an achievement as it does not embellish or serve.

[Ingvar 72]

You stubbornly refuse to understand a simple truth. And it is that on the way to achieving the goal, any means are good. But you stupidly insist that it is necessary to follow the rules, although they are written by our enemies, and they themselves regularly break them.

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With all the resemblance to the slightly elongated ISS module SM "Zvezda", inside there are the same rakes as in the American segment - the absence of a floor and ceiling, which astronauts once faced, forced to glue stickers with signs. Copy-paste - she is.

The same only with the delivered goods:

[dSK]

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lack of floor and ceiling

Somehow everything is monotonous, but if you "paint", let's say the "floor" is darker, and the "ceiling" is lighter?

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lack of floor and ceiling

Somehow everything is monotonous, but if "paint" let's say "the floor" is darker, and the "ceiling" is lighter?

This was done in the ISS RS and it was at the Mir station. Astronauts immediately understand visually - where is the right and where is the left. When all walls are the same, disorientation occurs. Therefore, there are stickers around the ISS AS with the words "Up" and "Down" and various signs.

In addition, the surface of the ISS RS walls is covered with Velcro fabric, which makes it possible to simply stick the equipment to the wall and racks so that it does not fly away:

For the Chinese, as you can see, everything will need to be tied with ribbons.

[Dikson]

and what is done with the dust and particles of human skin that are stuffed into this fabric? you can't vacuum there ...

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and what is done with the dust and particles of human skin that are stuffed into this fabric? you can't vacuum there ...

Firstly, all upholstery is perfectly vacuumed, except that not very aesthetic stains can remain from wet towels. Secondly, there is constant air circulation at the station - all dust or "particles of human skin" are usually accumulated by a stream of air near special dust collectors, where they are also successfully vacuumed ..