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"Machine guns and fire from embrasures": the British navy described the protection of its aircraft carriers

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The British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth was to receive four 30-mm small-caliber automatic cannons (ASCGs), which were considered as the main caliber of the ship's defensive circuit. However, at the exit, the ship is weapon never got it. In connection with public criticism, the Royal Navy is forced to make excuses by publishing a special material.


In an ideal world of unlimited funding, aircraft carriers would have a Sea Ceptor missile system [...] However, every weapon a warship carries adds costs [...] Weapons engineers know what they are doing

- explain on navy.

Due to the high cost of missile systems, it was initially decided to install four 30-mm ASCG cannons. For them, special platforms were made on the ship.


Platforms for placing 30 mm cannons. In the forward right side of the ship, you can see the 20-mm Phalanx ZAK


The main purpose of the ASCG, at least in the context of aircraft carriers, is to protect against small surface threats, in particular from fast coastal ships, small groups of boats and unmanned surface vessels.

However, this problem was allegedly resolved after the purchase of the [laser-guided] Martlet LMM anti-ship missiles, which are equipped with Wildcat helicopters [20 ammunition]. 30-mm UR with a total weight of 260 kg], located on the aircraft carrier and escort ships (two frigates and two destroyers). In addition, the helicopters can carry 12-7mm M3M machine guns and carry snipers trained in accurate shooting at outboard motors.


Wildcat with Martlet anti-ship missiles (tested for compatibility in spring 2020) and 12.7 mm M3M


Even if Wildcat does not engage [...] any ground threat will be met by escorts who have their own weapons

- indicated on the Royal Navy.

Moreover, if the guns were installed on an aircraft carrier, then it could "accidentally hit one of the escort ships":

The high-explosive 30-mm projectile easily penetrates the light steel plate of modern warships and inflicts significant damage, which was tested during the Falklands War (fire was fired from Argentine aircraft).

As explained, any threat that escaped the attention of helicopters and escorts will meet with the 20-mm ZAK Phalanx CIWS modification Block 1B, specifically designed to counter high-speed ships, helicopters, drones and small missiles that are difficult to detect on radars [judging by the images, the ship carries one installation; applied in test mode].

The last line of defense is small arms mounted on the upper deck and in the embrasures on the lower level, from where you can fire.

- noted in the fleet.

Small arms for aircraft carrier self-defense (12,7 mm machine guns, Mini Gun) and rifle embrasures on the lower levels of the ship:

Photos used:
British Royal Navy website
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  1. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st April 29 2021 12: 15
    +2
    RCC Martlet LMM, which are equipped with helicopters Wildcat [20 ammunition units. 30-mm SD with a total weight of 260 kg]
    Not bad, from the heart)
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 29 2021 12: 19
      +7
      "Machine guns and fire from embrasures": the British navy described the protection of its aircraft carriers

      The British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth was to receive four 30-mm small-caliber automatic cannons (ASCGs), which were considered as the main caliber of the ship's defensive circuit. However, at the exit, the ship did not receive this weapon.


      " Armed to the teeth and terribly dangerous " yes
      1. antivirus
        antivirus April 29 2021 12: 34
        +7
        English archers - a formidable force .........................

        + axes for throwing. from above it is easy on boats ....
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre April 29 2021 13: 17
          +4
          throwing axes. from above it is easy on boats
          For throwing onto boats, you can attach a concrete block on a cable along the side. Reusable ... wassat
          1. Sergey Zhikharev
            Sergey Zhikharev April 29 2021 19: 11
            +1
            It won't work. Since after the first use (plate down), it can damage (when they lift it up) the paint of the aircraft carrier ...
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre April 30 2021 10: 48
              0
              It's just easy to solve. Fortunately, the sides hang over the water, and do not have a reverse slope. Like some battleships.
            2. volodimer
              volodimer April 30 2021 14: 27
              +3
              So two sailors must be put on it at once ... with a bucket of paint. They will increase the weight of the "striking element". When lifting, the paint will be renewed. And even "stars" for the downed-drowned on board will be drawn. good
        2. Ascold1901
          Ascold1901 April 29 2021 14: 31
          0
          Why are you laughing at archers.))) Even in the days of La Rochelle (remember "The Three Musketeers"), the Naglichans had a lot of archers.))))
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 April 30 2021 08: 31
            0
            And they were very effective, by the way. Range up to 250 m, rate of fire up to 20 arrows per minute. While the musketeer recharges his fool, he will become a hedgehog.
            1. Ascold1901
              Ascold1901 April 30 2021 11: 56
              0
              The musketeers used the tactical technique of the caracol, so that the density of fire was quite high. Yes, and the striking effect of an arrow at such a distance was weak, but a musket bullet, weighing 50-60 g, flew out of the barrel at a speed of 500 m / s and could easily pierce even metal armor.))))
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 April 30 2021 12: 59
                0
                Remember Agincourt, how many arrows passed through the armor of the keepers. I think the armor was not flimsy than the cuirass of the musketeers, and the pikemen wore armor not much thicker. And about such a rate of fire, with all the carousels, one could only dream of. It is surprising that under Borodino the Bashkirs were not allowed to mow down the Buanaparty columns with volleys. Crumbled could be pretty.
              2. volodimer
                volodimer April 30 2021 14: 44
                0
                Here on the site was about the tactics of crossbowmen against archers and how it happened with Eisencourt / Eigencourt. In the "history" section. I am sure that colleagues will quickly find both the article and the author.
                Crossbowmen had to cover themselves from archers with shields when reloading. There the brave French "knights" spoiled everything with their pride, forcing the crossbowmen to substitute themselves.

                Also, from under the protection of shields, they could act against archers and musketeers.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 1 May 2021 11: 32
                  0
                  All the advantage of the musket is the range. But the arrow launched along the hinged trajectory, falling from above, did not lose much in the destructive effect. the bow is on an equal footing for that period. The whole alignment was changed by magazine rifles and drum Colts. The Indians really had little chance.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 April 29 2021 13: 25
        +5
        "Armed to the teeth and terribly dangerous"

        Some kind of sur. Although if you remember in what agony the Angles gave birth to these aircraft carriers, then there is nothing surprising.
        There was a time when they did not know what they would do with the first, and they were going to sell the second.
        Do not put cannons on the aircraft carrier so as not to damage the escort ships? wassat
        And how is the risk of damage to the aircraft carrier by escort ships taken into account? laughing
      3. skif8013
        skif8013 April 29 2021 13: 28
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        "Machine guns and fire from embrasures": the British navy described the protection of its aircraft carriers

        The British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth was to receive four 30-mm small-caliber automatic cannons (ASCGs), which were considered as the main caliber of the ship's defensive circuit. However, at the exit, the ship did not receive this weapon.


        " Armed to the teeth and terribly dangerous " yes

        Well, the fishermen were definitely scared)
      4. ironic
        ironic April 29 2021 18: 24
        0
        Rabbi said to his disciples - Wisdom is like a philosopher's stone and is capable of turning a pile of rubbish into countless treasures of gold, but the thickness also has miraculous properties. After all, only stupidity can turn any amount of gold into a heap of garbage.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 April 29 2021 12: 20
    +3
    Small arms for aircraft carrier self-defense (12,7 mm machine guns, Mini Gun) and rifle embrasures on the lower levels of the ship:
    Nobody wanted to fight ... in general, and so it will do.
  3. Pereira
    Pereira April 29 2021 12: 26
    +5
    Oh, come on. You might think they are going to fight.
    1. xorek
      xorek April 29 2021 17: 58
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      Oh, come on. You might think they are going to fight.

      During .. Here are the trophies to collect, they are the first, remember 1945. The lion's share was snatched from all the technologies of the Germans and values. Again, they hope at the expense of Russia?
    2. volodimer
      volodimer April 30 2021 14: 52
      0
      Small arms for aircraft carrier self-defense (12,7 mm machine guns, Mini Gun) and rifle embrasures on the lower levels of the ship

      I agree, I'm not sure that this will even be enough to repel an attack "a la destroyer Cole in Aden."
      Of course, one can hope for escort ships, and if they are not ...? Then it's just a big target. hi
  4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich April 29 2021 12: 33
    0
    On the question of why Britain (and France) need aircraft carriers at all, I recall a fragment from the film "The Wizards".
  5. lucul
    lucul April 29 2021 12: 33
    -2
    "Machine guns and fire from embrasures": the British navy described the protection of its aircraft carriers

    Tse peramoga, I shield)))
  6. sedoj
    sedoj April 29 2021 12: 34
    +1
    Small arms for aircraft carrier self-defense (12,7 mm machine guns, Mini Gun) and rifle embrasures on the lower levels of the ship:

    Privateer protection? It can be seen still living in the days of piracy.
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 April 29 2021 13: 20
      +2
      It turns out that in terms of firepower, any wooden frigate of the 19th century with glatkobore guns is armed more seriously than this pepelats.
      I can imagine how many missiles, air defense systems, guns would be hung on a similar corps in the USSR and Russia ... And they would have done the right thing.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder April 29 2021 14: 17
        +1
        It turns out that in terms of firepower, any wooden frigate of the 19th century with glatkobore guns is armed more seriously than this pepelats.
        Well, if you forget about carrier-based aircraft, yes! laughing Although a lonely aircraft carrier, and even at sea, is a moviton ... belay
        I can imagine how many missiles, air defense systems, guns would be hung on a similar corps in the USSR and Russia ... And they would have done the right thing.
        And!?, If there is a lot of money and even more desires to scare, you can hang it! Although the point is that aviation with anti-ship missiles and multipurpose nuclear submarines are against AUG, just the very effective means that gloomy and serious uncles invented in the last century ... hi
        1. mojohed2012
          mojohed2012 April 29 2021 14: 23
          +2
          It seems that Russia is not in the financial and military-strategic position to build such corps and not saturate them with the maximum possible set of weapons.
      2. Olegkh
        Olegkh April 29 2021 22: 47
        -4
        In the USSR, money was not counted for arming, for which they paid. And then the principle of reasonable sufficiency - well, why would an aircraft carrier need guns? He has other means of warfare.
    2. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 April 29 2021 13: 53
      +1
      the aircraft carrier is not intended for war with a serious enemy, only aggression against peaceful, weak countries with rifles ... to bring pain and death to a peaceful land, kill women and children, plunge peoples into hunger, tears and death
      1. Intruder
        Intruder April 29 2021 14: 21
        0
        only aggression against peaceful, weak countries with rifles ... to bring pain and death to a peaceful land, kill women and children, plunge peoples into hunger, tears and death
        Is it just an aircraft carrier !? Any introduction of "peace and good" from the outside, when this is not expected on a peaceful land somewhere out there on foreign shores and borders, the very women and children and other civilians, turns into pain and death, unfortunately, first of all for himself! But this is reality, on this planet ... bully
        1. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 April 29 2021 20: 51
          +2
          Quote: Intruder
          Any introduction of "peace and good" from the outside,

          done right, but there are weapons intended not for introduction from the outside, but for counteracting this introduction, I mean our SSBN VKS Strategic Missile Forces and other means of DEFENSE, which do not include aircraft carriers .. even on this forum, members of the totalitarian destructive sect of aircraft carrier witnesses do not hide that are going to attack peaceful Africa and the countries of the Indian Ocean, the British therefore have foreseen loopholes for the Africans to shoot
      2. Ryusey
        Ryusey April 29 2021 15: 16
        0
        Erroneous if not stupid opinion.
      3. ironic
        ironic April 29 2021 18: 19
        0
        It is quite good to do this even without an aircraft carrier.
  7. Andy
    Andy April 29 2021 12: 34
    +2
    "from fast coastal ships" :))
  8. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 29 2021 12: 38
    +1
    It is what it is. and to fantasize wickedness.
  9. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 29 2021 12: 43
    +8
    The land of paradoxes .. On the floating airfield, which carries the Fu-35 for 100 lamas of greenery, each could not install a pair of towers for close combat .. And if the weather is bad or the escort destroyers get lost somewhere .. recourse
    1. Vovk
      Vovk April 29 2021 12: 56
      +2
      What if RPG suicide bombers get aboard the HMS Queen Elizabeth ... his armor can withstand it?
    2. Intruder
      Intruder April 29 2021 14: 29
      0
      Fu-35 for 100 greens each
      when you have this at 100 lyamas for 1 piece, to collective farms all sorts of towers there for close naval combat, like some Papuans? laughing , are trying to make formidable (coastal) military vessels out of their fishing junks, somehow not stylish and modern!
      1. ironic
        ironic April 29 2021 18: 18
        0
        This is the result of left-liberal populism in their parliament.
  10. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer April 29 2021 12: 52
    +1
    Embrasures for firing from the lower levels - the author did not confuse anything?))) Does he write about an aircraft carrier or about a pillbox of the WWII times? In general, the Britons saved on the self-defense of their aircraft carriers and other ships even earlier. "Phalanxes" were supposed to be on "invincibles" and "sheffields", even at the design stage, and appeared only after the Falklands)))
  11. Alexander Morozov
    Alexander Morozov April 29 2021 13: 01
    +5
    "Are you kidding me, why embrasures? Are we a navy?"
    film "Pentagon Wars"
  12. Operator
    Operator April 29 2021 13: 16
    +2
    The question is, where is the carrier's pistol loopholes (if the British Admiralty will also save on machine guns and rifles)? laughing
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 29 2021 14: 31
      0
      The question is, where is the carrier's pistol loopholes?
      personally in cabins, ordinary sailors in the cockpit are not allowed by the staff !!! laughing
  13. alekc75
    alekc75 April 29 2021 13: 24
    +2
    30mm rocket ?? maybe 300? stalk and even more. how does it weigh 260 kg ???
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A April 29 2021 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: alekc75
      30mm rocket ?? maybe 300? stalk and even more. how does it weigh 260 kg ???


      The missile has a cylindrical body 1,3 m long with a tapered nose fairing. Case diameter - 3 inches (76 mm).
      "Martlet" light multipurpose missile, created on the basis of the "Starstrick" MANPADS missile weighs only 13 kg. The weight of a full ammunition load, consisting of 20 missiles (in four cargo baskets of five missiles), will be equal to about 260 kg.
      1. alekc75
        alekc75 April 29 2021 15: 37
        0
        in article 30mm and not 76 mm !!!
    2. Intruder
      Intruder April 29 2021 14: 33
      -1
      30mm rocket ?? maybe 300? stalk and even more. how does it weigh 260 kg ???
      carbon fiber and composite resin, here's a light rocket, not all manufacturers, surprisingly, still make rocket hulls from luminium with magnesium !?
      1. alekc75
        alekc75 April 29 2021 15: 41
        0
        what has shaved made of fiber for a long time?
  14. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 29 2021 13: 26
    +1
    I see that what is written does not fit with the photograph of the missiles - indeed, not 30mm caliber, but 76 inches smile
  15. Avior
    Avior April 29 2021 13: 33
    +2
    I wonder if you bought the planes for the aircraft carrier or saved them too?
    For a long time, it seems, the Argentines did not take the islands for themselves :)
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 29 2021 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      I wonder if you bought the planes for the aircraft carrier or saved them too?

      First saved and then paid twice. smile
      In the sense that at first, for the sake of economy, they abandoned the catapult, and then they were forced to buy aircraft from the monopolist (because no one else does SCVVP), which regularly raised the price.
      Quote: Avior
      For a long time, it seems, the Argentines did not take the islands for themselves :)

      For args, the situation is even worse.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 29 2021 14: 08
        +1
        And they would have to buy from them anyway, and a catapult and airplanes :)
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 29 2021 14: 10
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          And they would have had to drip from them anyway, and a catapult and planes :)

          Catapult - yes. But with the decks, there was already a choice - between the separatist cousins ​​and the occupiers of English Normandy. smile
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A April 29 2021 14: 23
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      I wonder if you bought the planes for the aircraft carrier or saved them too?
      For a long time, it seems, the Argentines did not take the islands for themselves :)


      21 F-35B aircraft are already on the British Navy's list.
      Another 6 pieces in 2021 and 8 pieces in 2022.
  16. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 April 29 2021 13: 44
    +3
    the trough will be sunk by the first rocket
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 29 2021 14: 37
      0
      the trough will be sunk by the first rocket
      If it still flies, this first one - before it !!! AUG, and other ships in the order is surprisingly, but this is so, with much more serious "gifts" for the impudent with these "first" missiles ... from small, poor - but terribly proud countries! laughing
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 April 29 2021 20: 54
        +1
        Quote: Intruder
        . of small, poor

        peoples defending their land from impudent aggressors I hope they will sink this terrible English trough in disgrace and serve him right
  17. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 April 29 2021 13: 54
    +2
    Instead of the 4 Phalanx CIWS anti-aircraft artillery complex, as a result, receive rifle caliber machine guns in the embrasures along the sides of the aircraft carrier laughing Argentina - where are you ?! If they buy aerial bombs, which will still explode, the likelihood of a military discussion of the Falklands problem will not be zero.
  18. Engineer
    Engineer April 29 2021 13: 55
    +5
    The island of Britain has 2 aircraft carriers, and the largest country in the world has no money to repair one fire victim. And so, yes, it's funny ... machine guns laughing
  19. ironic
    ironic April 29 2021 17: 59
    +1
    They and the second aircraft carrier were generally going to build and sell. Strategic mistakes under the pressure of left-liberal populism.
  20. riwas
    riwas April 30 2021 04: 32
    +1
    Great Britain is already forced to save on military spending today. So in 10-20 years the USA will have a similar problem.
  21. Max PV
    Max PV April 30 2021 21: 47
    0
    And at this time, somewhere in the Middle East, welder Mustafa welds a D-30 to a Toyota, and ponders in detail when ... to make another DShK or a monitor there. Now imagine what he would point to an aircraft carrier :-)
  22. DeFalco
    DeFalco 1 May 2021 10: 55
    0
    Actually, if we reason logically - why does an aircraft carrier need cannons suitable only for shelling boats? He still does not go alone, only accompanied by escort ships.