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The death of 55 missile submarines without war or intervention

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In 1991, at the time of the liquidation of the USSR, 62 submarine missile carriers, 13 old men of Project 667A, 18 - Project 667B, 4 - 667BD, 14 - 667BDR, 7 - 667BDRM, and 6 - Project 941 passed over to the Russian Federation. These were different ships. And if our first-borns, those same "Vani Washington", were already outdated and worn out, the 27 missile carriers of the last three projects were at the level of world standards and even slightly higher.

Almost all these ships had a sad fate. Some of them will rot for decades at the piers without repair, some will be quickly cut, because of agreements with Western partners. And some of them will survive and wait for a change in the form of Boreis, but too few, alas, to speak of a full-fledged naval component of the nuclear triad. We can say that the Russian Federation did not have a naval component of strategic nuclear forces in the dashing 90s. And the huge funds spent on the creation of a naval nuclear missile sword were simply destroyed, without purpose and purpose, and either for the sake of popularity in the West, or for saving money.

We love the word "Tsushima", they constantly recall either the Rozhdestvensky campaign or the flooding of the Black Sea fleet, otherwise the Tallinn passage. But the death of 55 missile submarines without war or intervention, for some reason, they do not denote this word. And in vain - the world's analogs история doesn't know exactly. Ships capable of serving up to 35–40 years with normal maintenance and repair were cut on needles after 10–20 years.

Part 1. Russian Yankees


The death of 55 missile submarines without war or intervention

Apart from the 658 project, which was frankly flawed, it was 667A and their modification - 667AU, in other words - "Navagi" and "Burbot", nicknamed by the Americans "Yankee", became our first-borns who determined the development of SSBNs for the next decades. The ships were commissioned from 1967 to 1974 at two plants: "Sevmash" and Shipyard named after. Lenin Komsomol in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

A total of 34 cruisers were built, which, alas, became obsolete almost instantly. It's all about liquid-propellant rockets, 16 in number. Initially, according to the project, it is the R-27, with a range of 2500 km, which is extremely small, but in the modification - the R-27U is already 3000 km. The cruiser could hit with eight rocket salvoes. I repeat - by the end of the construction of the series, this was not enough, and by the end of the seventies the missile range reached 10000 km, after all, the breakthrough of an anti-aircraft missile in the Atlantic was a serious problem.

But there were exits, as many as two.

The first was called 667AM. And they provided for modernization, with the replacement of the D-5 missile system with the D-11 complex with R-31 ICBMs, with a range of 4200 km. As a minus - the missiles remained only 12. As a plus - the rockets were solid-fuel, which greatly simplified the life of the crew. The project did not go. In addition to the advantages, it demanded gigantic investments, weakened the striking power of the missile carriers, and most importantly, the Soviet Navy was firm supporters of liquid-propellant missiles. But in itself, there was, in principle, the option of extending the life of ships capable of serving at least until 2004.

The second option was just perfect - 667AT. The project provided for the replacement of missile silos with 8 torpedo tubes (by replacing two compartments) and 32 RK-55 Granat cruise missiles with a range of 3000 km. Thus, without violating the SALT-1 agreement, we received powerful submarine cruisers based on old boats, that is, at a penny cost.

The project began to be phased out back in 1990, only three cruisers were modernized. And those ...

K-253 was expelled in 1993, after only five years after an average renovation and at the age of 24. K-395 in the same year was disarmed and used as a minelayer until 1997, when it completed its last combat service. Formally written off in 2002, but in fact - it was 1993 that became a point in her destiny. K-423 was decommissioned in 1994. The Russian response to the American "Ohio" with "Tomahawks" was decisively and irrevocably destroyed. There is nothing to say about the rest of the Yankees. Two of them were lucky to become experimental: these are K-403 "Kazan" and BS-411 "Orenburg" (carrier of midget submarines). They still served, the same "Orenburg" stayed in the ranks for 34 years. The rest quietly and quickly cut.

Part 2. The first "Delta"



In general, "Murena" is correct. Soviet missile carriers were called "Deltas" in the United States (Delta-1 - Delta-4). And there is something similar to a predatory fish: 12 R-29 ICBMs of the D-9 complex carried a warhead of one megaton and means of overcoming missile defense, and fired at a distance of 7600 km, which made it possible to fire from the shores of the USSR, turning the cost of ASW in Severnaya Atlantic into wasted funds.

The same two factories as in the case of the 667A built 18 new cruisers, which entered service between 1972 and 1977. It was the predatory "Murey" that finally put an end to NATO's desire to fight with the USSR. But their fate was, alas, sad. 14 cruisers were decommissioned from 1992 to 1995 as part of START II. The other four did not fare much better. Two (K-2 and K-457) were in service until 530, but there is no information about going out to sea. K-1999 was active until 500, decommissioned in 1996. And only K-2000 "Kislovodsk" showed how the data of the cruiser could serve - the ship was in service until 2004, having completed only 20 combat services and 12 combat duty. Strong ships were built in the USSR, it is a pity that the wrong ones got it.

A kind of modification of the 667B project can be considered four cruisers of the 667BD project. By lengthening the hull by 16 meters, the number of missiles was increased from 12 to 16, and the range of modified missiles was increased to 9100 km. All four cruisers were delivered to the Northern Fleet in 1975. And they were written off 20 years later in 1995, without any attempt at modernization, although they could still serve for at least 10 years. Considering that four ships of the previous project were left in service - stupidity or treason? The question is rhetorical. Although there is a simple explanation: the ships were left in the ranks not for combat qualities, but in fact of average repair. Those who passed it at the end of the USSR remained, those who did not have time - went on pins and needles.

Part 3. Pogrom "Squids"



The next stage in the development of Project 667 was the SSBN of Project 667BDR "Kalmar". 16 R-29R missiles carried multiple warheads and had increased accuracy. In this version, the range reached 6500 km, in a monoblock - 9100 km. Improved and habitability, safety, missile salvo speed. The ships turned out to be excellent, and entered service in the period from 1976 to 1981 in the amount of 14 pieces.

And then there were the 90s. In 1995, the first two cruisers were decommissioned. By 2003, there were already six of them. The principle is simple: needs repair - sucks - cancellation in a couple of years. Another in 2004 was converted into a carrier of midget submarines. The other seven served. Firstly, the timelessness ended, and secondly, the leaders realized that with such a pace the fleet would remain only in pictures and as yachts for the oligarchs.

K-44 "Ryazan", built in 1982, is still in the combat composition of the Pacific Fleet, proving by the very fact of its longevity that with normal repairs and upgrades with "Boreas" could not be in a hurry. But it didn't work out. Half went to scrap, half was exploited for wear and tear. Meanwhile, these ships are the same age as the Ohio, the basis of the US NSNF. Good ships ... There were. But they strongly interfered with our peacefulness during the period of rampant democracy.

Part 4. Tragedy of "Shark"



48000 tons of underwater displacement, 20 R-39 ICBMs of the D-19 missile system with a range of 8300 km and 10 warheads each. Note - solid-propellant rockets. In some ways, of course, too much. But on the whole - a reserve for decades. The lead heavy submarine entered service in 1981, the sixth and last - in 1989. Until 2021, they closed the NSNF niche for the Northern Fleet more than completely, even if all other SSBNs had disappeared.

I must say right away - not a fan of these ships. Gigantomania is not always a good thing. But in this case: they have already been built, run-in, childhood illnesses have been eliminated, and the basing has been ensured. Take it and use it. Fortunately for the United States, this six was capable of destroying it without leaving the bases. But ... it didn't work out.

First, in 1995, the TK-202 was withdrawn from service at the age of 12. Officially, awaiting renovation. There was no money, and the next year the huge cruiser was decommissioned. TK-12 was put on lockdown in 1996, after carefully firing off the ammunition. When, by 2000, the cruiser became completely unusable without normal maintenance, they were expelled. TK-13 was withdrawn to the reserve in 1997, the next year it was excluded. The United States willingly paid for the disposal.
TK-17 and TK-20 seem to have survived, but another problem emerged - missiles for cruisers were produced by Ukraine. It could be solved both by production there (at the end of the 90s, the dying Ukrainian industry would have grabbed this order with both hands), and by creating its own rocket, since there were some elaboration. But the stake was placed on the Bulava and Borey, and two huge cruisers stood idle. They are still there. From time to time there are rumors about them, like conversion into cruise missile carriers. But this is politics. In fact, these giants have only one road.

Out of the whole series, only the head TK-208 "Dmitry Donskoy" was lucky. Converted into an experimental ship for testing the Bulava, it remains in service to this day. And there he will have to live at least until 2025, that is, until the age of 45. Which is a kind of limit for these giants who were killed by their country. With US money, it is senseless and merciless.

Survivors



Those who are lucky - Project 667BDRM "Dolphin". Or "Delta-4" according to NATO classification. Seven ships of this type entered service from 1984 to 1990, becoming a logical development of the line of project 667. The size, missile range, all the same R-29, but RM modifications, higher accuracy ... A good example of how the second generation through evolution turns into the third.

They were lucky - they were not as powerful as the "Sharks" in order to arouse US interest. And they were young, in order to remain without repair in the dashing years. And in the 2000s, both understanding and money for operation appeared. K-64 "Podmoskovye" was converted into a carrier of deep-sea underwater vehicles, the remaining six - the basis of the Russian NSNF and survived to be replaced in the form of "Borey", not allowing Russia to be completely deprived of NSNF.

Their era is quietly passing away. As new missile carriers enter service, the last Deltas will be written off. But the ships did their duty - despite the drop in the number of SSBNs to the minimum level, the species itself was preserved. And he survived the pogrom, which would drag on for another five years, and the fleet simply would not have become.
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  1. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 30 2021 18: 05
    +48
    But the death of 55 missile submarines without war or intervention ...

    It hurts to read, remember and comment.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 April 30 2021 19: 46
      +63
      And it is even more painful to realize that for all this nightmare, not a single bastard has answered ..
      1. Alien From
        Alien From April 30 2021 20: 10
        +6
        Applause to you hi
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 1 May 2021 05: 49
          +17

          In 1991, at the time of the liquidation of the USSR, 62 submarine missile carriers, 13 old men of Project 667A, 18 - Project 667B, 4 - 667BD, 14 - 667BDR, 7 - 667BDRM, and 6 - Project 941 passed over to the Russian Federation. These were different ships. And if our first-borns, the same "Vani Washington", were already outdated and worn out, then 27 missile carriers of the last three projects were at the level of world standards and even slightly higher

          Dear author, despite full agreement and a similar view of the period of the 90s as the time of the destruction of the power of the USSR "for chewing gum and cola", you still should not tumble the numbers like "journalists". In a loud headline you have the death of 55 submarines, but right there in the text you indicate that we received 62 submarines from the partition of the USSR, of which 13 are outdated and "tired" submarines, that is, only 49 submarines were of real value, of which at least 10 is still in the ranks. 39 PL is no less architragic, but why humiliate mathematics?
          1. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx 4 May 2021 18: 19
            0
            Have you already written off 667BDR in Kamchatka?
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 30 2021 21: 56
        +27
        Quote: paul3390
        not a single bastard answered.

        And he will not answer - they introduced immunity for the top officials of the state. And in decaying Europe, Sarkozy got a real term.
        It all looks strange against the background of the expansion of the powers of the National Guard, and the restriction of the rights of citizens.
        Is this really a democracy?
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 1 May 2021 02: 09
          +10
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          in decaying Europe, Sarkozy got a real term ... Is it really democracy?
          If he was involved for starting the war in Libya; for setting up his allies - that would be for sure "For garlic", and so everything is a game of democracy.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 May 2021 17: 37
            +2
            Well, there at least the visibility is respected. request
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 1 May 2021 17: 52
              +7
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Well, there at least the visibility is respected. request

              What is the visibility? This is when they called everyone to the summit and presented with the fact - are we already bombing Libya? Now we are all at war! This is very democratically... Or when the Italians, who were in charge of the Jamahiriya, were "thrown" by their allies. I beg you - only for show for the sake of hype
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 1 May 2021 11: 52
          +10
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And he will not answer - they introduced immunity for the top officials of the state. And in decaying Europe, Sarkozy got a real term.
          It all looks strange against the background of the expansion of the powers of the National Guard, and the restriction of the rights of citizens.

          Not strange, but natural.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Is this really a democracy?

          Not at all. This is neo-feudalism.
      3. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich April 30 2021 22: 17
        +31
        In all honesty, we must admit that we all need to be responsible for all this. We all applauded Gorbachev with his "perestroika" in unison, voted for the drunkard EBN. And only a few - specialists and professionals of the army and navy understood all the bitterness and shame of the situation. Even if (God forbid) a brick falls on Mikhail Sergeevich's head tomorrow, nothing will change. To return everything back is impossible and impossible. Let us, at least now, do our job, work, raise children and be normal people and respect our country and not jump in the squares and demand a change of government. We've been through all this - these damn revolutions. It's time to get smarter. And to ordinary men who served in the submarine, in the dashing 90s, in cold garrisons, without salaries, for months - a tremendous human thanks. For the fact that, unlike the authorities, they did not betray us.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 April 30 2021 22: 45
          0
          respect your country and not jump in the squares and demand a change of government

          Why respect her? For the fact that she does not give us a penny? And in general - the reasoning of a typical terpily .. We will be rotten and robbed - but God forbid to say even a word against the regime .. It is better to live in poverty and humiliation, if only there was not the most terrible thing - a revolution that would return our country to us .. And also at least some hope for a better future ... Ugh ..
          1. Newone
            Newone 1 May 2021 00: 28
            +7
            Those who in the 90s scrapped the country, stuffing their pockets, before coming to power "spoke" (another foul word is appropriate here) in the same way.
          2. Mitroha
            Mitroha 1 May 2021 05: 57
            +7
            Quote: paul3390
            respect your country and not jump in the squares and demand a change of government

            Why respect her? For the fact that she does not give us a penny? And in general - the reasoning of a typical terpily .. We will be rotten and robbed - but God forbid to say even a word against the regime .. It is better to live in poverty and humiliation, if only there was not the most terrible thing - a revolution that would return our country to us .. And also at least some hope for a better future ... Ugh ..

            Do you understand the difference between the concepts of State and Country / Fatherland? If so, are you deliberately replacing them or are you mistaken?
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 1 May 2021 16: 56
              0
              And how ... And precisely because a patriot of my Fatherland - I am the enemy of the new type of State ..
              1. Mitroha
                Mitroha 1 May 2021 19: 04
                +2
                Why respect her?
                here you just answer the question about the country, so there was a misunderstanding
          3. Orkraider
            Orkraider 1 May 2021 13: 01
            +6
            ... Why respect her? For the fact that she does not give us a penny? And in general - the reasoning of a typical terpily ..


            Absolutely the same theses sounded during the collapse of the Union. And they led to the collapse of a giant empire, turmoil, the extinction of the nation and the loss of territories that had been collected for centuries ..

            Yes, it’s bad now, but if you try to implement what you are calling for, there will be an end. The "partners" will not give a chance, they will take advantage of the situation and introduce "international assistance", then control over the strategic nuclear forces, torn apart by the civil war, so that there is no "tragedy" and ... that's all. Puppets in power, covered by the bases of our enemies, on our territory, the loss of statehood and the persecution of the remaining population. A ban on the memory of the glorious past, and repression for mentioning real history, up to the downgrading of the rights of those who mention Stalin and Lenin and talk about pride and the victories of their ancestors.

            Tell me nonsense? And look at the Baltic dogs, where you are not a citizen for speaking Russian, in Ukraine, where there is a criminal offense for the dissemination of communist symbols and propaganda of the communist and national socialist regime.

            They are afraid of the Russians and this time they will not make mistakes, they will finish them off so that they do not rise.
            Look from this point of view.
          4. mmaxx
            mmaxx 1 May 2021 15: 13
            +2
            The same was said in the 80s. Remind the result?
            This is exactly the whining that our partners are trying to achieve.
          5. Old Michael
            Old Michael 5 May 2021 23: 04
            0
            respect your country and not jump in the squares and demand a change of government
            Why respect her?

            The extreme minus is from me.
            Try to understand the difference between the concepts of "country" - "state" - "government" - "power" - "oligarchy". These are not synonyms. As are not synonyms "population", "people" and "society".
            And I completely agree with your indignation.
        2. kenig1
          kenig1 April 30 2021 23: 18
          -3
          We? Such "We", as a cadet of Mos VOKU, drove a little along Gorky Street in 1990, now Tverskaya. We were not allowed to drive it into oblivion.
      4. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara April 30 2021 23: 55
        +17
        Quote: paul3390
        And it is even more painful to realize that for all this nightmare, not a single bastard has answered ..
        They even built a museum alone
      5. Mitroha
        Mitroha 1 May 2021 06: 21
        +2
        Quote: paul3390
        And it is even more painful to realize that for all this nightmare, not a single bastard has answered ..

        Well, Yeltsin, I hope, is being fried in Hell and in the next frying pan they are eagerly awaiting Gorbachev.
      6. IgorIP
        IgorIP 2 May 2021 11: 41
        +3
        Well, why didn't you answer?) One Yeltsin-center was thrown off .. something tells me that the second bastard will wait for its hump-center
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 1 May 2021 03: 43
      +9
      but Roma Abramovich bought Chelsea. and Berezovsky drank a lot of wine
    3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 May 2021 05: 19
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18

      It hurts to read, remember and comment.

      There is nothing more to add. Even the hand does not understand the exclamation mark.
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 1 May 2021 08: 45
      +3
      Quote: Doccor18
      But the death of 55 missile submarines without war or intervention ...

      It hurts to read, remember and comment.

      And do you count whether Russia needs 55 rocket launchers? Is it not an expensive pleasure? But besides them, there were and are other pl
    5. bk0010
      bk0010 1 May 2021 14: 32
      +6
      Quote: Doccor18
      It hurts to read, remember and comment.
      Oddly enough, but the fact that these missile carriers were cut is not at all critical: until April 2021, a nuclear war did not happen, and most of the listed missile carriers would not have made it to this date by any means.
    6. ramzay21
      ramzay21 2 May 2021 08: 52
      +1
      This is a crime, he has names and surnames, some are still alive, but have not been punished.
    7. prior
      prior 2 May 2021 09: 01
      +3
      Of course, the communists are to blame for the death of 55 missile carriers.
      Apparently, yes Zhirik?
  2. Mouse
    Mouse April 30 2021 18: 10
    +2
    Enlighten better what the state is at the moment ... but what was in the 90s ... and so in the know that there is nothing to be proud of .......
    1. Bashibuzuk1
      Bashibuzuk1 April 30 2021 18: 37
      +2
      So there is nothing to be proud of: the Russian Federation is far from the USSR ..... and the rulers share the skin of a bear that has not yet been killed. The anal is shorter.
    2. Mouse
      Mouse April 30 2021 19: 48
      +3
      I'll add ... for now ...
      You are going to sleep well ... hi
      The 90s are long gone ... hi
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 30 2021 23: 18
        +8
        Quote: Mouse
        The 90s are long gone.

        And their "children" remained! recourse
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 April 30 2021 23: 51
      +3
      Well, briefly. In the ranks of 3 Boreas and the head Borey, not so long ago they surrendered. They also promise to hand over Prince Oleg before the end of the year, and I think they will. There will be 5 Boreyevs and Boreyevs. Of the 6 Dolphins, one is written off, but there is another Squid in the ranks. Not so long ago, the renovation took place. Plus the last shark in an experienced performance. It can also be considered conditionally. In total, there are now 10 strategists, one more will be at the end of the year and one experienced. Another 3 Boreas are under construction and 2 will be laid on May 9. In the coming years, the old people will continue to be written off. I think as the last Squid and Dolphins are written off, more Boreas will be laid. Initially, it was said about parity with the states - there should have been 3 Boreas and 11 Boreys against 14 Ohio. But the states are going to trade 14 Ohio for 12 Columbia. Of course, this will not be soon, but it is quite possible that ours will also be limited to 12 strategists, and not 14, as they originally said. request
      1. Osipov9391
        Osipov9391 1 May 2021 02: 22
        +9
        Probably forgot about France and England? They each have 4 very good SSBNs, quite new and modern. Younger "Dolphins" and close to the characteristics of "Boreas". They have 128 silos and missiles.
      2. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 1 May 2021 09: 12
        +5
        "Parity with the states" - to seek parity is stupidity bordering on a crime. The armed forces should not be a copy of the adversary's Armed Forces, but such that this very adversary would leave any thought of aggression. Strategic nuclear forces should not be the same as that of the enemy, but have the ability to inflict unacceptable damage on him, rather than force him to refrain from aggression. And in this case, an asymmetric, and often cheaper way, is much preferable.
        Lovers of parity for some reason do not even think about what this parity is worth and who benefits from it.
        1. Harp
          Harp 2 May 2021 11: 26
          +1
          The current strategic nuclear forces are enough to destroy not only the United States, but the rest of the world. A powerful strategic nuclear forces is certainly good, but it all costs money, which can be used for other purposes. For example, the development of scientific and technological progress. We must take not quantity, but quality. And you forget that the "partners" have much more resources (not only financial, but also human, scientific and technological) and this gap is widening. In such conditions, if it is possible to maintain "parity" it is already good.
    4. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 1 May 2021 13: 00
      +3
      Quote: Mouse
      Enlighten better what the state is at the moment ... but what was in the 90s ... and so in the know that there is nothing to be proud of .......

      "The rough language of the poster ..." (V. Maiakovsky)
  3. Yaroslav Zhigulin
    Yaroslav Zhigulin April 30 2021 18: 10
    +6
    then 27 missile carriers of the last three projects were at the level of world standards and even slightly higher.


    Yeah of course
    3rd generation is only 941 projects and bdrm with a stretch, everything else is outdated
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 1 May 2021 14: 11
      +9
      Quote: Yaroslav Zhigulin
      3rd generation is only 941 projects

      Therefore, the amas were the first to put them under the guillotine ... Moreover, they brought it and paid for the work on disposal ...
      in the USSR Navy were firm supporters of liquid-propellant missiles.
      the author is far from the truth, like a priest defrocked from the holy Gospel!
      Our industry could not with that turbojet engine, which was (with solid fuel! Mixed fuel!) To provide the required range of SLBMs. Therefore, the P-39 came out monstrous, that the fuel was from the "red army", so I had to sculpt a cart under this missile for 49 kilotons of surface ... And how did the more or less normal PCT appear, when Popol and Yars flew, then the fleet -that broke off in the form of R-30. The time of the PP, the visibility was immediately reduced, the safety of the RO increased ...
      Strong ships were built in the USSR, it is a pity that the wrong ones got it.
      The author probably wanted them to go to Germany or Israel? - so do you need to understand his moaning?
      with normal repairs and upgrades (667 BDR) with the "Boreas" could not be in a hurry. But it didn't work out. Half went to scrap, half was exploited for wear and tear. Meanwhile, these ships are the same age as the Ohio, the basis of the US NSNF. Good ships ... There were.
      Well, what can I say ... The author is trying to present the leadership of the country, the Armed Forces and the Navy as such idiots who do not understand the importance of ensuring reliable defense of the country, the combat readiness of the Armed Forces, the Navy ... Meanwhile, the country (the country's economy) was in decline, society was being torn apart by populists , the people simply had nothing to eat ... Or have everyone forgotten the queues for Bush's legs !? Therefore, in order to survive, it was necessary to throw off the "heavy armor", but leave the SWORD in the hands! The victims were 667 cars, as the most expensive to maintain and (alas !!!) ceased to meet the requirements of acoustic imperceptibility.
      The picture is not quite the same, but if we take into account that the 667th in terms of the acoustic field was at the level of the 671th project, it becomes clear why the moose began to graze them from the Yako buoy before returning from the autonomous system. Not always, but very often. Comparison with Gayki is also inappropriate, because our "low-noise" 885s now barely reach these "oldies" ... AHA.
      Therefore, pathos, such as: "prematurely slaughtered a beloved pig" - in this case is not appropriate. And glory to the Almighty that they hurried with the Boriks, otherwise they would have been sitting in the ZRBD at gunpoint by the Virgins to this day, not thinking about going out into the ocean ...
      So, the cry of Yaroslavna on the serf moat in Putivl is impressive and emotionally affects impressionable people, but in fact does not bear anything positive, except for inciting a feeling of dissatisfaction from her position in the sandbox.
      FOR!

      However, on May Day, all of you, dear forum users! drinks
  4. Eldorado
    Eldorado April 30 2021 18: 19
    -6
    All of these boats were outdated and extremely worn out. Most of them have already stood at the piers since the second half of the 80s.
    The death of an Indonesian submarine built in 1981 is a vivid example to those who yell at the forums that there is no need to dispose of anything, we will patch it up and it looks like ...
    1. Lynnot
      Lynnot April 30 2021 18: 29
      0
      Comparing the incomparable
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 1 May 2021 14: 27
        +5
        Quote: Lynnot
        Comparing the incomparable

        No, Artem is essentially RIGHT !!!
        It’s on a hard surface, in a dugout, it’s good to talk about extending the life of the AK-47. And in the sea, when there are 4 tram stops down to the ground ... you very sensitively listen to the selsyns buzzing and the gyrocompass repeater clicks, and every extraneous sound or even worse - silence - catapults you out of a bunk or chair in which kimaril, in the CPU, closer to reality ...
        Why do you think submariners are "bald and gray-haired"?
        (Those who go to sea with gray-haired ones become bald! laughing And they become them (some gray-haired, others bald) when an entry appears in the act of the state commission following the investigation of the accident of the MRT: "The inhuman, bestial reaction of the submarine commander saved the ship and the crew from death ...")
        Yeah, here ... And you say ... "PEACOCKS !!!" bully
        1. Flashpoint
          Flashpoint 1 May 2021 20: 13
          +2
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: Lynnot
          Comparing the incomparable

          No, Artem is essentially RIGHT !!!
          It’s on a hard surface, in a dugout, it’s good to talk about extending the life of the AK-47. And in the sea, when there are 4 tram stops down to the ground ... you very sensitively listen to the selsyns buzzing and the gyrocompass repeater clicks, and every extraneous sound or even worse - silence - catapults you out of a bunk or chair in which kimaril, in the CPU, closer to reality ...
          Why do you think submariners are "bald and gray-haired"?
          (Those who go to sea with gray-haired ones become bald! laughing And they become them (some gray-haired, others bald) when an entry appears in the act of the state commission following the investigation of the accident of the MRT: "The inhuman, bestial reaction of the submarine commander saved the ship and the crew from death ...")
          Yeah, here ... And you say ... "PEACOCKS !!!" bully

          Yes. My father is a cap. 1. At 53 he left ... Heart and blood vessels ... He was all gray ...
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 1 May 2021 21: 51
            +4
            Quote: Flashpoint
            Yes. My father is a cap. 1. At 53 he left ... Heart and blood vessels ... He was all gray ...

            Anton, to the blessed memory of your father ... soldier
            Of the veterans of the submarine, Rudolph still remained on the site ... he was also preparing for medium repairs without modernization ... Something has not been heard of him lately, I am already worried about my friend ... Congratulations, there is no answer ... I would have to declare the unit as an emergency ...
            Bless him the LORD and all the holy saints ...
            Happy Easter for all the knights of the sea and warriors of the FATHERLAND!
            Health to everyone and all kinds of earthly blessings! GOOD LUCK! drinks
            1. Flashpoint
              Flashpoint 1 May 2021 22: 29
              +3
              Quote: BoA KAA
              Quote: Flashpoint
              Yes. My father is a cap. 1. At 53 he left ... Heart and blood vessels ... He was all gray ...

              Anton, to the blessed memory of your father ... soldier
              Of the veterans of the submarine, Rudolph still remained on the site ... he was also preparing for medium repairs without modernization ... Something has not been heard of him lately, I am already worried about my friend ... Congratulations, there is no answer ... I would have to declare the unit as an emergency ...
              Bless him the LORD and all the holy saints ...
              Happy Easter for all the knights of the sea and warriors of the FATHERLAND!
              Health to everyone and all kinds of earthly blessings! GOOD LUCK! drinks

              Thanks for the kind words!
              Father in 1934, passed away in 87. Of his colleagues (as far as I know), only one remained, in St. Petersburg. Another recently died. Age...
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 1 May 2021 15: 18
      +1
      Plyusana to you and to Boa. Anything sensible, not whining.
      You might think the Americans did not write off half of the fleet in those years. Moreover, they had no technical problems.
  5. knn54
    knn54 April 30 2021 18: 23
    -1
    -And in the 2000s, both understanding and money for operation have already appeared.
    After leaving the post of President Boris the Non-drying.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 30 2021 18: 27
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      After leaving the post of President Boris the Non-drying.

      This event coincided with another.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 April 30 2021 23: 55
        -4
        Oil could be worth anything. But under a production sharing agreement, the oligarchs and Western companies shared the income from it. Rosneft was then 6th in terms of production in Russia, 15 years later it became the first in the world and feeds you personally. By the way, the notorious Tolya Serdyukov returned the oil industry under state control and forced the oil workers to pay taxes. You can bow at his feet. He deserved it. fellow
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 1 May 2021 00: 07
          -3
          Quote: g1v2
          Rosneft was then 6th in terms of production in Russia, 15 years later it became the first in the world and feeds you personally

          Rosneft is related to Russia by 40%, another ~ 40% to Britain, the remaining 20% ​​is not clear to whom. This is one of the most ineffective companies, the value of which is lower than the companies it has captured.
          Rosneft was created to steal money and redirect it Russian officials and British oligarchs.



          Quote: g1v2
          Tolya Serdyukov. You can bow at his feet. He deserved it.

          He deserved the fate of Gaddafi, and you are those who were with him.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 1 May 2021 00: 14
            -4
            This company develops entire regions and feeds the country. And you can only dream about how you will defeat and kill all dissent. Do not win. You are a minority. All you have to do is whine on the Internet and shit on little things. You are pitiful and wretched. Farewell. No.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 1 May 2021 00: 17
              +4
              Quote: g1v2
              This company develops entire regions and feeds the country.

              I agree 100%! Only the country is called - Britain, and the region is a city of federal significance London.
              1. Newone
                Newone 1 May 2021 00: 32
                +2
                Take a look at Rosneft's dividend policy, and then talk about "shareholder profits"
                Rosneft's main spending is investment in the north and budget taxes. So you're lying about the country.
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 1 May 2021 06: 59
                  +5
                  is it you, for example, about 9 billion invested in Venezuela with whom you have already said goodbye? and if in the "North" so in their projects, from which more resources can be pumped, and not in the people and cities of the north ..
                  and the most interesting thing is about the taxes with which many are worn: "For 2019, the total volume of Rosneft's liabilities, including accounts payable and deferred tax liabilities, amounted to 8,468 trillion rubles.
                  In 2020, Rosneft's net monetary debt decreased by $ 9,7 billion, including net financial debt for the fourth quarter of 4 by $ 2020 billion.
                  Considering that the company's profit in 2020 amounted to 174 billion rubles, then it will take about 48 years for Rosneft to pay off the total volume of Rosneft's obligations. "
                  Those. yes, we owe the taxes of Russia .. and pay .. but then .. but on dividends (of which 40% to foreigners) - that there is no debt
  6. Doctor
    Doctor April 30 2021 18: 41
    +7
    The Americans are the same.
    227 warships. From nuclear cruisers and nuclear submarines to destroyers.

    https://topwar.ru/22510-o-tom-kak-rezali-korabli-v-90-h.html
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 30 2021 19: 41
      +4
      They reduced their fleet by about half in comparison with the 90th. The main thing was to reduce the number of types of ships and submarines. Standardization greatly simplifies and reduces the cost of all processes.

  7. O. Bender
    O. Bender April 30 2021 19: 21
    +4
    In the 90s, they killed not only the Fleet, the army as such. They cut equipment, officers with their knees in the butt. This was then sold off the infrastructure, etc., etc.
  8. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship April 30 2021 19: 22
    +2
    Humpback is probably sitting and hiccupping. They remember him regularly. But the problem was not only in the Navy. I came from the army at 87m. Soap, vodka and cigarettes were on ration cards. With a piece of melted cheese, 300 grams were given to the load of caramel candies, into which candy wrappers were embedded
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 May 2021 05: 24
      +5
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      Humpback is probably sitting and hiccupping. They remember him regularly.


      Not a fig, he does not hiccup, even undertakes attempts to teach everyone and everything "freedom and democracy."
  9. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 30 2021 19: 37
    +8
    Strong ships were built in the USSR, it is a pity that the wrong ones got it.

    Traces of a previous highly developed civilization.
  10. vadivm59
    vadivm59 April 30 2021 20: 17
    0
    Ukrainians were engaged in rocket engine missiles. The 2nd and 3rd stages for p-39 were made in our city. Not Hohland at all, but Siberia, but they were assembled at the Zlatoust machine-building plant. Something like that for p-39. This is the first step, but the Ukrainians did.
  11. Tests
    Tests April 30 2021 20: 18
    +9
    AC130 Ganship (Gennady), dear, many times I asked the commentators of the forum on topics related to the history of the USSR to compare everything for a five-year period, indicating where you lived: in Moscow, Leningrad, the capital of the union republic, in the regional center, in a medium or small town, on a collective farm, state farm or timber industry enterprise and, be sure, indicate in which enterprise or in which institution you worked or studied.There were many similarities in the life of a Muscovite and a resident of aul in the Pamirs, a whaler from a yaranga in Chukotka and an Odessa citizen, but there are nuances ... In my native Severodvinsk, just in 1987, from the balcony of an apartment on the street. Lomonosov, where I still live, I shot a panorama with a Zenit-TTL camera. Then I counted in the photo 22 tower cranes that built multi-storey residential buildings, both brick and panel, in the south of the city. I do not consider this to be the islands of Yagra The pipes of the Arkhangelsk CHPP and the village of Rikasikha, where the Severodvinsk poultry farm was then, were visible. In all of Severodvinsk, there are no 20 tower cranes in the construction of not only apartment buildings, but also shopping centers and 2-storey garages. And KSKM (Combine of Building Structures and Materials), which made concrete goods, and 6 construction and assembly departments and the Severodvinsk poultry farm have died almost 20 years ago. And also young family specialists, just under Gorby, coming to SEVMASH, received a FREE room in a 2-room apartment at once, in 3-5 years - a separate apartment. Whoever wanted to - built a cooperative apartment ... And on the "Polar Star" (electronics for nuclear submarines, surface ships and ships) in 1987-1990, 100-200 new apartments a year were accepted and 3 kindergartens in 7 years passed, and a new a school with a swimming pool was built in the K quarter - a quarter for Polyarka workers. And there has been no "Polar Star" for many years ... On part of its territory there is a slightly living branch of St. Petersburg "Okeanpribor", part of the territory of the plant with workshops has been sold out for warehouses, tire fitting, car service, and a grocery store.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov April 30 2021 20: 40
      +6
      Not about ships, but on the topic. Since 1978, for more than 10 years, he regularly visited the Znamya Truda MMZ, this is the one who was making the MiG-23/29 at that time. At the end of the 70s, the plant produced about 300 cars a year. The question is - why ??? And after all, it was far from the only aircraft plant in the USSR. Another example - my friend since 1982 personally participated in the manufacture of more than 15 !!! cabins for Buran .. I suspect that the same thing happened in shipbuilding. And then the "hurray-patriots" talk about betrayal in the collapse of the USSR and cry about the former greatness of the state.
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 1 May 2021 17: 19
        +3
        Due to the very wide geography of use: it and spare parts for it were used by the ATS countries, sent to Cuba, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, India, Vietnam and a number of African countries.
        In mechanical engineering, this is the norm when individual spare parts or consumables are produced multiple times more than any, even very large series of finished products - for motorcycles, for example, these are drive chains and stars, for computers - hard drives and mice.
    2. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter April 30 2021 21: 40
      +2
      And how they lived!
      Throw your own copper! ...
      About apartments ..
      The last time under such communisms I was in the Murmansk region fifteen or seventeen years ago.
  12. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav April 30 2021 20: 21
    +4
    what kind of fleet did they take and the country, what a pity to talk about
  13. Rlptrt
    Rlptrt April 30 2021 20: 57
    +1
    To strangle this Marked Pike along with his Caudla, which is still in power. It is necessary to try very hard to do so much harm to the country! It hurts for the destruction of the fleet by a Western puppet, but even more painful for the deliberate finishing off of the fleet by those who pretend to be statesmen.
  14. babackov.eu
    babackov.eu April 30 2021 21: 22
    +1
    Vova did not know and did not know? ! And the fingerless drunk Borya ate vodka! There was money for vodka.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter April 30 2021 21: 45
      +2
      Vova / Petya / Fedya - physically cannot go to every office and personally resolve issues on every topic.
      I think so!..
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 1 May 2021 09: 28
        +2
        Quote: Benzorez
        Vova / Petya / Fedya - physically unable to travel to each office and personally resolve issues on each topic

        And for this he has deputies and governors.
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 1 May 2021 16: 17
          +3
          I will tell you more. I personally cut these very boats at one time.
          And the reactor compartments were transported to Saida-Guba.
          For a long time and fiercely in the stones, they dug some trenches with shovels and crowbars for laying, I don't know why ...
          We must assume the cables from the other side.
          Digging in rocky ground is a pleasure very much for an amateur. Need to say.
          I came to the conclusion that I am not a fan of such events, and even in winter.
  15. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP April 30 2021 21: 35
    +4
    Whatever the case, they were not useful. And the money for the maintenance would have to be taken from the already poor people. The oligarchs would not have thrown them on missiles ..
  16. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 30 2021 21: 43
    +5
    A very expensive component of the nuclear triad with unclear stability in the face of a significant reduction in fleet capabilities since the 90s.
  17. businessv
    businessv April 30 2021 21: 48
    +4
    Thanks for the article! The first in my memory, so that everything was described briefly, correctly and consistently. Many times I tried to find out why so many submarines were destroyed, but I did not find out a clear justification. In a word, Thank you!
  18. Alexander X
    Alexander X April 30 2021 21: 56
    0
    After reading this article, I got the impression that a group of traitors was at work. And they did their best, destroying so many missile carriers. And why is there no investigation of the persons responsible for making such anti-Russian decisions? Maybe you should figure it out and "reward" the most distinguished ...
    But what a pity such unique submarine cruisers!
    1. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 1 May 2021 02: 36
      +6
      Such investigations were attempted by Lev Rokhlin and Viktor Ilyukhin. The latter even spent.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 1 May 2021 09: 41
      -2
      Quote: Alexander X
      And they did their best, destroying so many missile carriers.

      You are looking for fewer traitors. But if you dig around, it turns out that now there are no more traitors. Everything is much simpler. The country did not have money for the maintenance of such a number of submarines and the army. The army of the USSR was:
      As of February 9, 1956, it was: according to the state 4 406 216 people, according to the list 4 147 496 people [33];
      In 1960 - 3 people [623];
      In 1974 - 3 people [525];
      In 1977 - 3 people [638];
      In 1982 - 3 people [705];
      In 1985 - 5 people [350];
      For 1991 - 3 400 000 people

      Russia:
      In 2011, the number of personnel of the RF Armed Forces was about 1 million people
      In 2014, the number of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was 845 thousand
      According to the decree of President Putin, which entered into force on March 28, 2017, the total staff strength of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from July 1, 2017 will be 1903 thousand people, the staff number of military personnel - 1013 thousand people.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 1 May 2021 12: 00
        -2
        Quote: Pilat2009
        number of personnel

        of all nuclear submarines less than one Kuzi by an order of magnitude
  19. Winnie76
    Winnie76 1 May 2021 00: 00
    +2
    60 strategists are probably too much, but it would not be bad to convert most of them to SSGNs. It's a pity that it happened.
    1. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 1 May 2021 02: 35
      +3
      Only "Squids" and "Sharks" could be altered. The rest of the boats are early designs and long outdated - there were problems with reactors and other things. In the 90s, this was out of the question. And in the 2000s, "Murey", "Navagi" and others became outdated long ago.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 1 May 2021 11: 58
        0
        Quote: Osipov9391
        Only "Squids" and "Sharks" could be altered.

        true, but it's "only" ... it's a lot! the shark can be easily converted into a Mace, and the squid is generally combat-ready with proper repair and operation
  20. EMMM
    EMMM 1 May 2021 00: 24
    +2
    It is gratifying that the patriots of our Fleet have not yet died out.
    As for the nuclear deterrent forces, there are two main points:
    - in 1992 they merged everything, the economy, the army, the navy, the statehood. Those. everything! In the hope of becoming a full member of the Western capitalist community. Who did it, and for what purpose, it is difficult to understand. But I can confidently say that it was a time of change. Yes, in St. Petersburg I often did not have the opportunity to buy Snickers for my son on the way home from work (at that time I worked at the Vodtranspribor plant, not unknown to the readers of this topic).
    - the main component of the nuclear deterrent is the warhead itself and its delivery vehicle. Launch platform is a second order cost. If the carrier cannot be adapted to accommodate the latest armament complex, it is automatically written off. Yes, it's strange to hear that a nuclear powered submarine is just a temporary consumable, but it is.
    Today, a new generation of strategic missiles is being born, and a specialist will be able to determine which carriers will be in the past.
  21. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 1 May 2021 02: 30
    +3
    The only thing that is a pity is "Sharks" and "Squids". So they could undergo repair and modernization for cruise missiles of the Ohio type.
    And all the other boats mentioned in the article were of early designs and long outdated - there were problems with reactors, steam generators and other "dirty" parts of the power plant. In a crumbling country, there was no money for repairs.
    Not to mention the discrepancy in noise, about the fact that the electronics and instrumentation are still tube or on an outdated element base. All this greatly complicated their content.
    And "Squids" and "Sharks" yes, it's a pity. They could serve. There were quite modern ships. But this is no longer the finance or the technical side. And politics intervened The United States, Canada and other Western countries allocated money to Putin to cut these ships in the 2000s. Although then they could be restored.
    So think about this betrayal.
  22. avia12005
    avia12005 1 May 2021 02: 44
    +1
    It sucks when the Vlasovites are in power ...
  23. lopvlad
    lopvlad 1 May 2021 04: 03
    +4
    The death of 55 missile submarines without war or intervention


    how without a war? This ordinary Soviet people was simply not told that the USSR had lost in a nuclear war, and the leadership of the CPSU raised its paws in front of the West and carried out all its orders.
    Say there was no intervention, so it was in full, or you understand by intervention only its military aspect (when soldiers of the enemy army enter the territory of the defeated country in their military uniform). You think that the presence of American advisers in all the offices of the Kremlin from the beginning of the 90s to the beginning of the XNUMXs and the presence of American inspectors at our military facilities is not an intervention.
    We still cannot wipe out the followers of these interventionists from the government offices to the end. Even several WWII (1941-1945) losses for Russia would have been less than the loss in the Cold War of the early 90s. Now, the first world economy would not be China, but the USSR, and our population would be under 300 million people + the 1st military power with military bases in every corner of the world.
  24. Adimius38
    Adimius38 1 May 2021 06: 45
    +1
    And the most interesting thing was that nobody answered for it. Since 2000, a lot has also been cut and sent to the pins and needles, and the Yeltsin era has already passed, but few people think about it. For some reason, everyone thinks that the huge damage was done precisely in the 90s.
    1. Denis Rumyanny
      Denis Rumyanny 1 May 2021 07: 59
      +4
      Kindergarten of some kind. And here Yeltsin or even Gorbachev. Who could not do anything already. Like Putin in 2000, only cut with the money of "partners"
      These white elephants were laid by Brezhnev with Admiral Gorshkov. Nobody gave a damn about the economy, there was no freedom of speech and opinion, and even more so in the army (as it is now), the ultimate dream of the generals was to go to the cap. country to bring a video tape recorder.
      Very similar to today's Chubais-Manturovs, except for more appetites. Instead of a video tape recorder, a house in Italy.
      After Putin, someone will have to cut Kuznetsov and empty palaces with stadiums, and there are many other things we don't even know. And all the bumps will fall on this new leader. And there will be no one to answer.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 2 May 2021 15: 19
        +1
        Quote: Denis Rumyanny
        And here Yeltsin or even Gorbachev.


        with all. That one to the other at the beginning of the reign received the country in a better condition than left to the receiver. Gorbachev liquidated the eastern bloc and thereby lowered the USSR from the level of the world to a regional power and actually liquidated the USSR.
        Yeltsin made Russia poverty-stricken through privatization, loans-for-shares auctions with a civil war inside Russia, and by the end of 1999 Russia was already at the edge of the collapse of 100500 substates.
        1. Denis Rumyanny
          Denis Rumyanny 2 May 2021 16: 39
          0
          The Eastern bloc was liquidated by Brezhnev and the Elders of the CPSU. Gorbachev could only put an end to the fact.
          Oil dropped to $ 8, the wunderwafers did not help, except to China for scrap.
  25. demiurg
    demiurg 1 May 2021 08: 06
    +3
    They cut them correctly. And the United States cut its old nuclear-powered ships and NKs at the same pace in the 90s. The morons kept the scrap metal in order to guarantee the destruction of the enemy 12-13-14 times, although a single one would be enough. And strained their economies. We fell first into the seven-bank and other delights. But now the West can no longer get out of the debt collapse. 2008 and 2019 are just flowers. It will get worse further. China won. Which imperceptibly and quietly became the first economy in the world.
  26. Zakonnik
    Zakonnik 1 May 2021 10: 42
    0
    And why were they needed by a country unable to support them? No, I'm serious. Excessive military spending, among other things, destroyed the Union. What's left of him? Memories of tank armies? We want to follow the same path, i.e. fall apart?
  27. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 1 May 2021 11: 54
    +1
    I read and cry ... this is called betrayal, ... damn Gorbachev
  28. Evil 55
    Evil 55 1 May 2021 14: 23
    +2
    Requiem for the Russian submarine Navy .. We only hope for a quick revival from the ashes in a new incarnation and the rationality of modern rulers ..
  29. Looking for
    Looking for 1 May 2021 15: 25
    0
    I wonder why the author Roman Ivanov appeared in 2021 on this resource! and where did he come from!?!?!?
  30. Old26
    Old26 1 May 2021 17: 44
    +3
    The title of the article, of course, is biting, but it is designed more for emotions. Until 1991, 20 boats of the 667A project had already been written off, but the author considers the fate of the remaining ones as death ...
    It would be worth considering the programs of underwater shipbuilding as a whole. The same 667A could still serve in Soviet times (when they began to be written off), if not for the missile system that they had. And the D-11 complex, or rather the design bureau, which developed this missile, comrade Makeev multiplied by zero, as a competitor. So it turned out that the new missile system is a new boat (unlike our enemy), which replaced missiles with virtually no replacement of boats

    Quote: Osipov9391
    Probably forgot about France and England? They each have 4 very good SSBNs, quite new and modern. Younger "Dolphins" and close to the characteristics of "Boreas". They have 128 silos and missiles.

    Britain has 4 boats, France has 4 boats. But missiles, especially from Britain - 3 boats (France - 4) at full load. So although there are 128 silos, there are currently 104 missiles (40 on British boats and 64 on French boats). But where then to put 7 boats of project 094 (PRC). Which side of the scales. On theirs or on ours?

    Quote: Sergey Valov
    "Parity with the states" - to seek parity is stupidity bordering on a crime. The armed forces should not be a copy of the adversary's Armed Forces, but such that this very adversary would leave any thought of aggression. Strategic nuclear forces should not be the same as that of the enemy, but have the ability to inflict unacceptable damage on him, rather than force him to refrain from aggression. And in this case, an asymmetric, and often cheaper way, is much preferable.
    Lovers of parity for some reason do not even think about what this parity is worth and who benefits from it.

    You are talking nonsense. Apparently, we should not have stopped at parity, after which the enemy has lost all chances of victory, but it would have been necessary to rivet about 100-150 missile boats, 10 thousand ICBMs. After all, parity is a betrayal in your opinion. And our strategic nuclear forces have never been a copy of the American strategic nuclear forces. They were based on SLBMs and strategic bombers - we have ICBMs
  31. Avior
    Avior 1 May 2021 19: 08
    +4
    Lost labor of Soviet generations: ((((
    Only under the Nunn-Lugar program was destroyed
    902 intercontinental ballistic missiles,
    498 silo launchers,
    191 mobile launcher,
    33 nuclear submarines,
    684 ballistic missile submarines,
    906 air-to-ground missiles with nuclear warheads,
    155 bombers,
    194 nuclear test tunnels.

    How much labor has been destroyed!
  32. Old26
    Old26 1 May 2021 20: 20
    +4
    Quote: Avior
    Lost labor of Soviet generations: ((((
    Only under the Nunn-Lugar program was destroyed
    902 intercontinental ballistic missiles,
    498 silo launchers,
    191 mobile launcher,
    33 nuclear submarines,
    684 ballistic missile submarines,
    906 air-to-ground missiles with nuclear warheads,
    155 bombers,
    194 nuclear test tunnels.

    How much labor has been destroyed!

    The numbers, Sergey, are certainly interesting, but if you look at the breakdown (and I have not seen such a one) the reaction would not be as negative as if you just look at the numbers.
    902 ICBMs were destroyed. But about 350-400 of them were obsolete monoblock UR-100. 30 old RT-2P, obsolete MR-UR-100. The rest is R-36M (first modifications). Well, something else
    You can also consider other numbers. Large, I do not argue, but if you look, then often these were old products that we somehow had to destroy, because we riveted a lot of them
  33. smihko
    smihko 1 May 2021 21: 40
    0
    It was like that in the 90s. In the mid-90s I happened to visit the air base in Opochka, Pskov region. It was the Baltic Fleet bombers that were stationed in those years. As there probably all or most of the Tu 95, which were to be cut, were stolen there. Literally. The planes lay on one of the runways in three tiers. And they were driven by prisoners from the nearest colony. I am far from aviation, although I read a lot about it. I am interested in a lot. Then all this struck me to shock. 3 km runway in three layers of unique aircraft !!! In my opinion, all this, both in the Navy and in the Air Force, should be called betrayal. I cannot find another word. God forbid repeat
    go again.
  34. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 2 May 2021 09: 15
    +1
    But the death of 55 missile submarines without war or intervention, for some reason, this word does not mean
    On the monuments dedicated to the fallen in the Great Patriotic War they write: "Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten", "We remember everyone by name" ...

    And why not remember and name ALL the statesmen and the glorious, valiant admirals, who destroyed these 55 missile carriers, destroyed shipbuilding and ship repair ...
    With a share of participation and specific deeds of everyone!
  35. Tests
    Tests 2 May 2021 10: 55
    +1
    Sergey Valov (Sergey Valov), dear, about MiG aircraft. Do not forget that MiGs fought in Angola (Cuban Air Force), in Libya (with Chad; in the war with Egypt and on both sides), in Afghanistan, in the Near and Middle East, Ethiopia, supplied them to the ATS countries, Yemen, India, Yugoslavia. And also remember that in 1980 Egypt, like Baba Yaga's hut, turned to us ... and ordered the first 42 F-16 Blok 15s, and in total bought 220 F-16s of various modifications. And there could be 220 of our MiGs of various modifications in Egypt ...
    And he did not know the "punishing sword of the party" that in 1979 Adolf Tolkachev, including MiGs, would merge top-secret information with the Americans. They will take it only in 1985. Add. a hole for the ventilation of his brain will deservedly appear in his head, but our Tu-16PD 22 squadron from Ozernoye 3 TBAP will work to cover our long-range workers in Afghanistan, against the F-341 of the Pakistani Air Force.
    About "Buran". It's great that a lot of cabins have been made. Maybe I'm wrong, the simulators were made, or 3, or 4 pieces, plus 1 ship actually flew into space. It's a pity that the program was closed ...
  36. Glagol1
    Glagol1 2 May 2021 11: 00
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    Now ships and boats are being built and modernized, but schools, clinics and hospitals are being closed. For the seventh year in a row, the level of real incomes of Russians has fallen, and life expectancy has decreased. New taxes are introduced, repressive laws are issued in batches.
    And what is 2021 better, for example 1996? Yes, nothing! Worse! It is clear that the gunpowder must be kept dry, especially when dealing with such shit overseas. But why should the Russian people be so rotten?
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  37. Tests
    Tests 2 May 2021 11: 04
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    Yaroslav Zhigulin (Yaroslav Zhigulin), dear, "Kazan" was modernized twice, first along the avenue "Axon", then "Axon-2". It is clear that the steamer did not carry rockets, but there were also carriers of underwater vehicles, for example, "Podmoskovye". Yes, it took a long and tedious process to modernize it, but it’s better than the needles ...
  38. Irbiz123
    Irbiz123 4 May 2021 14: 21
    +1
    How do you want to do something with the Eltsin Center !!!
  39. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 4 May 2021 15: 39
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    Quote: Sergey Valov
    "Parity with the states"

    Brzezinski (who is still a bastard), in his book "The whole world is a big chessboard", wrote that he did not believe that Moscow would respond to an American strike while the Russian elite was holding yards of $ in the United States.

    Our elite is not ours for a long time.
    When the relatives of those in power have teudat zeuts in Israel, and the heads of state corporations bring dogs to London on business jets on business jets at the expense of taxpayers, the nuclear words about parity are nothing more than the chatter of grannies at the entrance.

    PS It cannot be discussed that those responsible for the destruction of the nuclear submarine should be punished, the property confiscated and turned into state revenue.