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New features of "Marshal Shaposhnikov"

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"Marshal Shaposhnikov" in the first years of service


After a long program of repairs, modernization and testing, the large anti-submarine ship / frigate Marshal Shaposhnikov pr. 1155 returned to service. fleet and is now ready for combat and training missions. In the course of modernization, he received a number of modern systems and weapons, which allows him to continue service with greater efficiency.

From bookmark to modernization


BPK "Marshal Shaposhnikov" was built on avenue 1155 at the Kaliningrad plant "Yantar". The ship was laid down in 1983, and at the very end of 1984 it was launched. The act of acceptance was signed on February 2, 1986. At the end of 1987, the ship crossed three oceans to its permanent duty station.

Since 1988, Marshal Shaposhnikov has regularly participated in various operations in different regions of the World Ocean. So, in 1988-89. he ensured the safety of navigation in the Persian Gulf, in 1990 he took part in the evacuation of Soviet citizens from Ethiopia, after which he followed the course of the Gulf War. After that, in 1992-94. the ship underwent the first major overhaul.

In the future, the ship again entered combat service and participated in various events. The most famous episode with the participation of "Marshal Shaposhnikov" is the liberation of the tanker "Moscow University" in May 2010. As a result of these events, 16 naval sailors were nominated for state awards. In the following years, the BOD again participated in anti-piracy operations.

New features of "Marshal Shaposhnikov"

The frigate is on sea trials. Changes in the armament complex are clearly visible

In 2016, Marshal Shaposhnikov arrived at the Dalzavod Ship Repair Center for overhaul and deep modernization. It was reported that the renovation project provides for the replacement of parts of electronic, artillery and missile weapons. It took about three years to complete the work. At the end of 2019, the ship was planned to be put on sea trials with a subsequent return to service.

In mid-February 2018, a fire occurred in one of the interior spaces of the ship's bow. The crew and repairmen were evacuated; the fire was quickly extinguished. No one was hurt and major structural damage was avoided. However, the fire and some other factors negatively affected the progress of the work and led to a shift in terms.

Sea trials of the ship after repairs began on July 10, 2020.The Ministry of Defense reported that the frigate went to sea to check the operation of the propulsion system. After that, he had to return to Dalzavod for subsequent commissioning. The delivery of the ship was planned for the end of the year.

Latest checks


In mid-December, the Ministry of Defense reported that Marshal Shaposhnikov went out to the Sea of ​​Japan to conduct the final part of the sea trials. Then it was planned to check various ship systems and weapon systems, incl. introduced during the modernization. Already at the end of last year, the first firing was carried out using artillery and torpedoes.


New artillery mount A-190-01

Since February 2021, the crew of "Marshal Shaposhnikov" has handed over the so-called. course tasks. Within the framework of the K-1 task, the organization of air defense and damage control, anti-sabotage measures, etc. were worked out. In the near future, it was planned to start the delivery of the K-2 task - conducting combat exercises at sea, including firing from all standard weapons.

In early March, "Marshal Shaposhnikov", together with other ships and the sea aviation The Pacific Fleet conducted exercises to find and destroy a simulated enemy submarine. Each ship was responsible for finding a target in its sector of the range. The detected enemy was attacked with depth charges and torpedoes.

In early April, the frigate conducted artillery fire using the A-190-01 installation, obtained during the modernization. The search for coastal targets and the adjustment of fire was carried out using the UAV "Orlan-10". Also, a check of electronic weapons took place, in which the Ka-27 helicopter was involved.

A few days later, Marshal Shaposhnikov launched the Caliber cruise missile for the first time. Shooting was carried out from the Sea of ​​Japan at a target at Cape Surkum from a distance of more than 1000 km. The missile successfully hit the intended target and showed an increase in the combat qualities of the modernized ship.


Torpedo firing, December 2020

In the course of all the measures taken, the frigate fully confirmed its compliance with the declared characteristics. The acceptance certificate was signed and the ship returned to service. On April 27, the Ministry of Defense announced its inclusion in the permanent readiness forces of the Pacific Fleet.

Areas of modernization


Marshal Shaposhnikov was originally built as a large anti-submarine ship, which determined the composition of its equipment and weapons. Over the years of service, the potential of such systems has decreased, and this has reduced the value of the ship in its original role. It was decided to radically rebuild the complex of weapons, making the BOD a multipurpose frigate with a wider range of tasks.

During the repair, general ship systems were restored or replaced. 80% of cable routes were replaced. In addition, it was necessary to rebuild the hull structures: dismantled and re-manufactured approx. 40% of these units. The restructuring of the weapons complex led to noticeable external changes.

As a result of the modernization, Marshal Shaposhnikov received a new MR-760 Fregat-MA radar and a 5P-30N2 Fregat-H2 information processing system. The MGK-355 "Polynom" hydroacoustic complex has been preserved and repaired. A new communication complex R-779-28 was used. The universal system MR-123-02 / 3 "Bagheera" was used to control artillery fire.


Installation of AK-360M at work

In the bow of the hull, the Kinzhal air defense missile system launchers are preserved. Behind them on the deck is a new 100-mm artillery mount A-190-01, which replaced the outdated AK-100. Behind it, instead of a second gun turret, is a 3S14 universal launcher with 16 cells for Caliber missiles. On the sides of the superstructure, large recognizable launchers of the Rastrub-B complex were previously located. Now in their place are placed two installations 3S24 with four missiles "Uranus" on each.

As a result of the modernization, four AK-630M anti-aircraft guns, two four-tube torpedo tubes and two RBU-6000 rocket launchers were retained. Artillery control is carried out using the Bagheera system. There may still be two helicopters on board for a wide range of tasks.

In a new role


The modernized Marshal Shaposhnikov can carry out air defense within a radius of 10-12 km using missiles and cannons. The capabilities for attacking surface and coastal targets using large-caliber artillery have been expanded, and the reduction in the number of installations does not negatively affect the overall performance. Main anti-submarine weapons have been preserved.

Due to the introduction of the Uranus missile system, the frigate is able to hit surface targets with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons at ranges of up to 260 km, depending on the modification of the missile used. The Kalibr-NK complex can use missiles for various purposes, and the most famous products are for engaging ground targets at ranges of at least 1-1,5 thousand km.


Launch "Caliber", April 2021

A fairly old warship, which does not fully meet current requirements, was used as a platform for installing modern equipment and weapons. As a result of this, its capabilities, fighting qualities and characteristics have increased significantly. In addition, a major overhaul was carried out with the extension of the service life, which will allow using new opportunities for a long time.

In addition to "Marshal Shaposhnikov" in the Northern and Pacific fleets, there are six more BODs of pr. 1155, and they can also undergo modernization according to a new project. At the end of March, the domestic media reported about the imminent start of work to upgrade the ship "Admiral Vinogradov" (Pacific Fleet). This year he will go to the repair plant, and in 2024-25. will return to the combat strength in a new capacity. Information about the possible modernization of other ships has not yet been reported.

Thus, one of the most interesting modernization projects for the old ship has been successfully completed, and the frigate Marshal Shaposhnikov is returning to service with new capabilities. At the same time, the modernization of existing ships does not exclude the construction of new ones - and these processes together lead to the desired renewal of the surface forces of the Navy.
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  1. Yuri V.A
    Yuri V.A April 29 2021 05: 49
    +11
    The air defense capabilities of this Big Anti-Submarine Karakurt, limited to 10-12 km, are impressive, especially against the background of classmates.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 29 2021 05: 53
      -3
      Quote: Yuri V.A.
      The air defense capabilities of this Big Anti-Submarine Karakurt, limited to 10-12 km, are impressive, especially against the background of classmates.

      yeah ... and the old GAK "polynomial" is also jarring ...
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha April 29 2021 06: 08
        +4
        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: Yuri V.A.
        The air defense capabilities of this Big Anti-Submarine Karakurt, limited to 10-12 km, are impressive, especially against the background of classmates.

        yeah ... and the old GAK "polynomial" is also jarring ...

        In the process of modernization of the BOD of project 1155, the Polinom State Joint-Stock Company underwent modernization. More than 75 million rubles were allocated by the Ministry of Defense for the repair and modernization of hydroacoustic systems of anti-submarine ships in 2016
        Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/mgk-355-polinom-gak/ OVT "WEAPON OF THE FATHERLAND" AVKarpenko
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather April 29 2021 06: 32
          -2
          Quote: Mitroha
          In the process of modernization of the BOD of project 1155, the Polynom State Joint-Stock Company underwent modernization.

          renovated. what is there to upgrade? we are frankly weak in terms of the GAK. and the air defense is so-so, naval.
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo April 29 2021 08: 45
      -4
      So this is an anti-submarine ship.
      Should protect the unit from submarine attacks, that is, it will be under the "umbrella" of more powerful ships in this respect.
      1. Yuri V.A
        Yuri V.A April 29 2021 10: 21
        +10
        To rely on someone else's umbrella is the lot of small anti-submarine ships, and for an escort ship of almost cruising displacement, this is a serious miscalculation.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 April 29 2021 18: 29
          +1
          then with claims to the Soviet admirals
    3. Kalmar
      Kalmar April 29 2021 08: 49
      +8
      Quote: Yuri V.A
      The air defense capabilities of this Big Anti-Submarine Karakurt, limited to 10-12 km, are impressive, especially against the background of classmates.

      In the old days, it was assumed that it would work in tandem with other ships (for example, destroyers pr. 956) with longer-range air defense. Now, of course, the reality has changed, although he will still be able to dismiss a certain amount of anti-ship missiles. They say that the next 1155 - "Vinogradov" - SAM will be changed to a more long-range.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 April 29 2021 10: 17
        0
        In the old days, it was assumed that it would work in tandem with other ships (for example, destroyers pr. 956) with longer-range air defense.

        Now all the more so he must act, at least in tandem, with the same anti-submarine. Otherwise, there will be no success in the fight against nuclear submarines.
        I am not talking about air defense.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar April 29 2021 10: 19
          +3
          Quote: glory1974
          Now all the more so he must act, at least in tandem, with the same anti-submarine

          In theory, even now it may well perform the tasks of an anti-submarine, if 91P1 missiles are loaded into the launcher.
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 April 29 2021 11: 55
            +2
            In theory, even now it may well perform the tasks of an anti-submarine, if 91P1 missiles are loaded into the launcher.

            One cannot find a submarine, only by chance one can stumble upon it, and if not, there is nowhere to shoot. Several units are required for a successful search.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar April 29 2021 12: 01
              +3
              Quote: glory1974
              Several units are required for a successful search.

              Of course. Alone, no one has fought for a long time, there is always some kind of KUG, plus helicopters are participating (where are they without them today) and so on.
      2. Yuri V.A
        Yuri V.A April 29 2021 10: 24
        0
        Partially, the shortcomings began to be corrected on Chabanenko, but they did not develop the topic and, according to tradition, again went their own way.
        1. CastroRuiz
          CastroRuiz April 29 2021 14: 45
          0
          Yes, Chabaneko took steps to correct.
          Do you know the news on its modernization?
          1. Yuri V.A
            Yuri V.A April 29 2021 15: 34
            0
            I don't know the news, some kind of hopeless renovation.
            1. CastroRuiz
              CastroRuiz April 29 2021 15: 35
              0
              Thanks for the reply.
              Where I read it should come out of the modernization in 2022-23.
              Menia is interested in what will be replaced there, because the ship is interesting.
              1. Yuri V.A
                Yuri V.A April 29 2021 15: 54
                0
                About the 22nd year, I heard about plans to complete the replacement of communication facilities, about other systems - silence.
                1. Cat Kuzya
                  Cat Kuzya April 29 2021 16: 41
                  +1
                  Opportunities for countering modern aviation, drones and submarines are negligible, but they wrote, so beloved by the Kremlin, "calibers".
      3. tima_ga
        tima_ga 8 May 2021 21: 09
        0
        Of course, the Redoubt-Polyment link suggests itself. But, apparently, at the time of the active phase of modernization, it was still being finalized for Gorshkov ...
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 9 May 2021 22: 22
          +1
          Quote: tima_ga
          It suggests itself, of course, the Redoubt-Polyment link

          It would look strong and stylish, but, I suspect, the cost of such an upgrade would already be obscene. Moreover, the ship itself is no longer new; It will be a shame to send such investments in 10-15 years to write-off.
    4. Lesorub
      Lesorub April 30 2021 21: 50
      +1
      The modernized Marshal Shaposhnikov can carry out air defense within a radius of 10-12 km

      Yes, to equip it with the "Calm 1" air defense system - the air defense would look much better! but alas.
      1. Yuri V.A
        Yuri V.A 1 May 2021 02: 38
        +1
        Namely, Calm under the existing Frigate radar would be fast, cheap and rather angry.
  2. Mitroha
    Mitroha April 29 2021 05: 49
    +3
    Good news about the army and navy is always good news.
    Long years of service and seven feet under the keel
  3. Barsikof
    Barsikof April 29 2021 05: 49
    +2
    Seven feet keel !!!!!
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. April 29 2021 05: 52
    -3
    1987-1992 and already requires a cap. repair. what
    What is this quality?
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha April 29 2021 06: 01
      +7
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      1987-1992 and already requires a cap. repair. what
      What is this quality?

      Here, as with motorcycles, I suppose, it is necessary to count not the years, but the "motor hours". So they loaded it to the fullest these years
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. April 29 2021 06: 05
        0
        It is logical ... but what is the service life of, say, American aircraft carriers under those service conditions?
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha April 29 2021 06: 14
          0
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          It is logical ... but what is the service life of, say, American aircraft carriers under those service conditions?

          So they seem to be all with a vigorous installation. Land itself, so I could be wrong
          1. bandabas
            bandabas April 29 2021 07: 45
            +2
            A vigorous attitude is the heart. And the rest is mechanics, which has properties to wear out and become obsolete.
    2. lucul
      lucul April 29 2021 08: 36
      +4
      1987-1992 and already requires a cap. repair. what
      What is this quality?

      Well, the old pitfalls of the USSR are the unequipped infrastructure of the port. We have already discussed this earlier - if the port can receive such ships (for a long time), then there is a supply of electricity, in sufficient quantity (and the ship consumes a lot), and hot water supply (steam if necessary). if the port is not, then the ship will use its resources to ensure the life of the ship - roughly speaking, you have to start the engines to power the generators and so on, which leads to accelerated wear of the engines.
      After all, the ship needs electricity 365 days a year.
    3. AC130 Ganship
      AC130 Ganship April 29 2021 21: 21
      +3
      25-30 years old. Fighters after such a period are generally written off. Another thing is strange. After 4 years of modernization, such a weak air defense was installed
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  7. tlauicol
    tlauicol April 29 2021 06: 15
    +3
    Shaposhnikov as if they did a plastic surgery ... or enlarged his lips
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 29 2021 06: 24
      +3
      I am glad that the ship has found a second life, and saddens that they are modernizing the old, slowly creating the new! hi
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. April 29 2021 06: 24
      -4
      It's okay, but he can spit far and tasty ... the enemy will not like it.
      1. Ryusey
        Ryusey April 29 2021 15: 01
        -1
        Than the X-35, he will only amuse the supastat with them.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 29 2021 21: 59
          +3
          Quote: Ryusey
          Than the X-35, he will only amuse the supastat with them.

          He also has a UKSK. So far 16 Calibers have been loaded there against the coast. But they can also supply 3M54 or P91 for guidance submarines from the Ka-27PL, for example.
          So, no need to be jerky.
          And the SAM "Dagger" is very good. In fact, this is Thor, and possibly Thor M2 will already be placed. And he, perhaps, will be cooler than Armor ME.
          AHA.
    3. AC130 Ganship
      AC130 Ganship April 29 2021 21: 33
      -2
      In my opinion, only lips. That was, the further to master the budget in full
  8. tone
    tone April 29 2021 06: 28
    +3
    Why the article?
    Undermodernization.
    SAM Antique
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 29 2021 22: 03
      +1
      Quote: tone
      SAM Antique

      This air defense system has new missiles and new software for the vehicle (BIUS-NK).
      Therefore, it is not a fact that everything is as it seems to you.
      1. Yuri V.A
        Yuri V.A April 30 2021 02: 49
        +2
        There are big doubts about the new missiles, there is no bow Dagger on Kulakov since the construction, Gibka was recently added, that is, in fact, MANPADS, probably also considered quite sufficient. And the old Dagger has a 6 km ceiling, so there is little good.
        1. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 7 May 2021 13: 27
          0
          As one of the possible options for modernization, for example, at Vinogradov, the designers are already proposing the same replacement (in the course of modernization) of the second (behind the wheelhouse) SAM "Dagger" for 24 cells SAM "Shtil-1" (!)... The final decision on this issue has not yet been made, but this modernization option is being considered (!).... Wait and see ..... Hopefully.
          It is possible that an important role in this matter is - has a price to resolve the issue, such a variant of modernization of the 1155s .... If the price of such modernization (with "Calm") does not exceed more than 10-12 billion, then it is quite possible that the Navy will go to such costs ...
          The most (in my opinion), difficult and important (!), Does the industry have the potential to extend (reestablish) for ALL remaining BOD 1155, their main power plants (!), for 10-15 years of further service ?!
          1. Yuri V.A
            Yuri V.A 7 May 2021 14: 20
            0
            I agree one hundred percent, even if Calm is not the best medium-range air defense system, but under the Frigate radar, it will be the best option at cost and will be placed again on the waist instead of the Dagger. That's just, given the pace of modernization, as if there were not only a couple of updated BODs left in the fleets.
        2. Alexey Koshkarov
          Alexey Koshkarov 22 June 2021 06: 59
          +1
          During the service, I watched the work of the land Tors. There were no misses
          1. Yuri V.A
            Yuri V.A 22 June 2021 09: 32
            -2
            So, an excellent device for its time, only since the mid-80s a lot of things have flowed under the bridge, so it was necessary to bring the complex at least to the level of Tor-M2.
  9. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 29 2021 06: 49
    +5
    Expanded the ability to attack surface and coastal targets using large-caliber artillery,
    Is 100mm a large caliber artillery? Yeah.
    1. makmak
      makmak 22 June 2021 23: 38
      -1
      It depends on what to compare: for the west, the standard is 57 mm.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 23 June 2021 03: 13
        0
        Quote: makmak
        It depends on what to compare: for the west, the standard is 57 mm.

        127, 114, 100, 76 and only then 57 mm.
  10. Revolver
    Revolver April 29 2021 06: 55
    +7
    But before the modernization, it was a BOD, but according to the western classification, it was a destroyer, i.e. destroyer, rank 1 ship. And in general it was comparable with American destroyers, of course it did not reach the Arleigh Burke, but it is quite comparable with its predecessor Spruance, moreover, it should be taken into account that Arleigh Burke entered service 5 years later than Shaposhnikov, in 1991. And after modernization, Shaposhnikov became a frigate, in 1st rank no longer pulls.
    Maybe I'm misunderstanding something? request
    1. Yuri V.A
      Yuri V.A April 29 2021 07: 14
      0
      Apparently, the authorities hesitated to classify a ship with such a composition of weapons to the class of "destroyers". Given the growth in the capabilities of ships, it is possible that after the next modernization, Shaposhnikov will retire as a corvette.
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 April 29 2021 09: 11
      +5
      Quote: Nagan
      And after the modernization, Shaposhnikov became a frigate, no longer pulling the 1st rank.
      Maybe I'm misunderstanding something?

      Unfortunately, from what you call this BOD, its combat value will not change. For some reason, the Soviet designers did not succeed in combining all the delights of the 956 and 1155 in one case. I read a lot about the reasons, but ... nevertheless ... And now, after the obsolescence of the main anti-submarine caliber of this ship, we have what we have, namely, a 30-year-old destroyer corps, whose weapons are not even up to the level of a modern frigate falls short ...
      1. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 7 May 2021 12: 45
        +1
        Quote: Doccor18
        For some reason, the Soviet designers did not succeed in combining all the delights of the 956 and 1155 in one case.
        everything worked out from Soviet designers (!)... There was after the transitional 1155.1, and the wonderful project 11560 (including and under 64 cells of the Polyment-Redut air defense missile system, and already with the UKSK) ... Only the Union was destroyed at that time, and lay and build 11560, did not have time ....?! It's a pity !!!
        http://otvaga2004.ru/atrina/atrina-atrina/proekt-1156-11560/
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 7 May 2021 14: 05
          0
          Quote: Nemchinov Vl
          ... everything worked out [/ b] [/ i] from Soviet designers (!)... Was after the transition 1155.1, and the wonderful project 11560 ..

          Project 11560 was remarkable - it is indisputable that it finally brought the Russian Navy to a par with the American Burke (yes, perhaps, the first series was significantly superior). But ... you must admit that cruisers of the Ticonderoga type were built since the late 70s, but what prevented our designers from immediately following the same path? Why did they try in every possible way to keep the displacement within 7500 tons, because if you make it 2-2,5 thousand tons more, you would get a powerful multipurpose destroyer, with the most serious weapons in the TLU. 11560 is 15 years late for some reason. Although there were no objective reasons for this obstruction. There were only subjective ... the dictates of industry, the weak influence of the Navy in the USSR General Staff, the voluntarism of the party elite, the absence of an all-powerful naval minister (as during Stalin's rule), the undercover struggle of the directors of the GCC, monopoly in many industries, etc. etc......
          1. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 7 May 2021 15: 54
            0
            Quote: Doccor18
            11560 is 15 years late for some reason. Although there were no objective reasons for this obstruction.
            there were also objective reasons.
            Project 11560, was the most promising, but .... To implement it immediately, they interfered with: 1) not completed at that time (planned series in 12 units. 1155 ..., 2) has not yet been established (and put on stream release SJSC "Zvezda -2" ... The first one, went to "Chabanenko" (as a transition project), and then the Union collapsed ... (!) ., 3) a large proportion of new (advanced weapons systems for 11560: this is both UKSK and Polyment-Redut) .... then it was even considered (alternatively, version with the "Fort-M" air defense missile system), which, although it has already entered the fleet, but also (at that time, even as single, experimental options and at 1164 and an attempt at 1134B) ...
            And the industry, even under the USSR, was not rebuilt very quickly. The stake on "Polyment-Redut" was for the future (but at that moment, and quite distant) ... !!
            So, there were quite a few objective reasons. then anyway ....
            In my opinion, this project is very relevant even today, as the most direct (possible) competitor for type 055 (!). ....
            And here's the thing (!)... "Polyment-Redut" has already been industrially developed (thank God), and this time (!)... The possibility of serial production of the Zvezda-2 class SAC is now possible, I would like to believe that in a maximum of two years, but (if the Navy wishes, and help / control and funding from the government), it is possible to achieve (!)... that's two ....
            And I really want to believe that on the basis of agreements with the PRC on military-political cooperation (!), they can share, the reducer for their type 055 (!). The fact is that our M-90FR turbines, 27500 hp, are essentially similar to Chinese turbines, QC280that are - "licensed copies of Ukrainian turbines DA-91", from which our M-90 FR comes from (!)...
            With us, usually, the stumbling block in the manufacture of power plants is precisely the gearboxes !!!.
            And then, in parallel with the construction of the 22350 series at the Severnaya Verf, let's say the same Baltic Shipyard, as its stocks were freed from the construction of icebreakers, it could be loaded with the EM / BOD 11560 series, in a couple of years ... only to establish the production of power plants from 4 gas turbine engines of Saturnovsky M-90 FR, and gearboxes to them, using an analogue (experience in creating such gearboxes) in China HP ... and serial production of SACs. !!!
    3. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 29 2021 18: 47
      0
      because ours are leaving the BOD according to the classification ... in fact, as it was the BOD, it remained so ... added shock capabilities
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 29 2021 22: 15
        +1
        Quote: Barberry25
        in fact, as it was a BOD, it remained so .. added shock capabilities

        Most likely, it has become closer to the universal ship of the EM class - a heavy frigate of the ocean zone. It can operate on BC, NK at a distance of up to 600 km, on submarines, and also conduct anti-aircraft combat for self-defense. The 100mm cannon is a serious cannon for pinpoint targets, including VTS.
        So, his only bottleneck is stealth ... But I don't know what kind of electronic warfare system he has. He can seriously cover the ship from SVO and other misfortunes ...
        So, 1155 climbed a notch higher as a DMZ ship.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 April 29 2021 22: 46
          +2
          well, in general, yes, as a bun for the construction of ships will go
  11. Eug
    Eug April 29 2021 07: 10
    +4
    How is it - the reduction in the number of artillery installations does not have a negative impact? And the ability to conduct artillery fire for air defense purposes? Or is the "star" raid of enemy anti-ship missiles a fantasy? The more I read about things in the navy, the more I am shocked ... it seems that the leadership of the fleet really acts on the principle "war is bullshit, the main thing is parades and maneuvers" ...
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 29 2021 07: 47
      +8
      Quote: Eug
      How is it - the reduction in the number of artillery installations does not have a negative impact? And the ability to conduct artillery fire for air defense purposes? Or is the "star" raid of enemy anti-ship missiles a fantasy?

      Yes, there and without any stellar raids, the zoo turned out. The AK-100 had a rate of fire of 60 rounds / min, the new A190-1 - 80. In total, we have a decrease in metal per minute of fire by one and a half times - from 120 to 80 shells.
      1. lucul
        lucul April 29 2021 08: 40
        -6
        In total, we have a decrease in metal per minute of fire by one and a half times - from 120 to 80 shells.

        But we have 16 Caliber with a decent range.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 29 2021 09: 36
          +8
          Quote: lucul
          But we have 16 Caliber with a decent range.

          I would not write about the "increased range" anyway - these ships should be used as anti-submarine ships, of which we have a very large deficit, so that "calibers" are needed there exclusively in the PLUR version. But for the anti-submarine ship, Shaposhnikov needed a "Package", but it was not delivered.
          1. Newone
            Newone April 29 2021 20: 54
            +1
            Andrey, why is it necessary for the anti-submarine ship "Packet"?
            The gravitational projectile of the 90R1 rocket, just like the torpedo of the Packet, has an acoustic homing head, which compensates for the guidance error of the rocket itself.
            90R1 is launched with RBU-6000 of which at Shaposhnikov 2.
            The range is higher. The rate of fire is higher. The ammunition capacity is very much higher. The shot is much cheaper.
            The near zone and RBU-6000 with 90R1 are completely closed both in terms of destroying torpedoes and in terms of attacking submarines. The far zone behind 91RE1 (from vertical launch units) and 91RTE2 from torpedo tubes.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 30 2021 07: 30
              0
              Quote: Newone
              The range is higher. The rate of fire is higher. The ammunition capacity is very much higher. The shot is much cheaper.

              The probability of hitting is only very much lower. In terms of the hitting of torpedoes, it is near-zero, as I heard.
              1. Newone
                Newone April 30 2021 23: 41
                +1
                I've heard otherwise. The probability of defeat was much lower for unguided depth charges. There's a homing projectile here.
              2. Nemchinov Vl
                Nemchinov Vl 7 May 2021 12: 54
                0
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                The probability of hitting is only very much lower.In terms of the defeat of torpedoes, near-zero, as I heard.
                It "only from advertising campaigns" adherents of the "Package-NK" complex (!)... In fact NO ONE (!), comparative test on anti-torpedo protection, in equal (identical conditions) between ships with RBU-6000 (or RBU-12000) and ships with "Packet-NK", not carried out NEVER !!!!
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 May 2021 16: 27
                  -1
                  Not a question, but tests of RBU on modern torpedoes - were they carried out? :)
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 April 29 2021 22: 48
        0
        Well, in current realities, the issue of guidance and ammunition is more worth it, and the presence of 24 missiles is a weighty argument
  12. Alexey V.P.
    Alexey V.P. April 29 2021 09: 28
    -6
    I believe that on the next modernized ships of this type, we will already see a naval version of the shell as an air defense system.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach April 29 2021 14: 07
      +4
      Well, where to put it there? And most importantly, why, if you have a Dagger, then?
      1. Alexey V.P.
        Alexey V.P. April 29 2021 16: 20
        -1
        What do you mean why? So the shell is both modern and better in characteristics in all respects. It does not take up much space. It fits on Karakurt.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach April 29 2021 17: 00
          +1
          That is, the question is where, you missed, okay.
          and in terms of characteristics it is better in all respects

          Is it true for all? This is how it is for all, well, if you list them?
          1. Yuri V.A
            Yuri V.A April 30 2021 02: 02
            +1
            Where to attach the Pantsir, tested thirty years ago, instead of AK-630 batteries, the Dagger was installed.
          2. Alexey V.P.
            Alexey V.P. April 30 2021 14: 32
            0
            Compared to the Dagger, the missile range has been increased from 12 to 20 km. In the future, modernization with a range of 40 km is possible, since the recently introduced Land-based Pantsir-SM has such a range, and the entire line of these air defense systems, both sea and land-based, is unified and will not require large costs for modernization.
            The height of target destruction is 2,5 times higher than that of the Dagger (15 km versus 6 km). The minimum target height for "Pantsir M" is only 2 m.
            The detection range of the Dagger's targets is 45 km, while the Pantsir is 80 km.
            Cannon armament is still present on the Carapace and it looks smaller in size, but we could not find exact data here.
            Is not that enough?
            1. alexmach
              alexmach April 30 2021 14: 59
              +1
              Is not that enough?

              Little how about all-weather?
              Compared to the Dagger, the missile range has been increased from 12 to 20 km. In the future, modernization with a range of 40 km is possible

              The detection range of Dagger targets - 45 km at Armor 80 km

              And all this in sea conditions or in land?
        2. Alexey Koshkarov
          Alexey Koshkarov 22 June 2021 07: 15
          0
          Thor is the land version of the dagger. During the service, I watched the work of the Torahs. There were no misses
  13. Termit1309
    Termit1309 April 29 2021 09: 54
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

    I would not write about the "increased range" anyway - these ships should be used as anti-submarine ships, of which we have a very large deficit, so that "calibers" are needed there exclusively in the PLUR version. But for the anti-submarine ship, Shaposhnikov needed a "Package", but it was not delivered.

    If, for example, 8 PLURs were loaded onto Shaposhnikov, is there still a need for the Package? And there are calibers in the PLUR version in service with the Navy? What do you think?
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 April 29 2021 10: 13
      +4
      Quote: Termit1309
      If, for example, 8 PLURs were loaded onto Shaposhnikov, is there still a need for the Package? And there are calibers in the PLUR version in service with the Navy? What do you think?

      The package would fit well for the placement of anti-torpedoes. And if you load the 3S14 PLUR, then the shock capabilities of this rather big ship will become quite nominal. 8 Uraniums are frankly few ...
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 29 2021 11: 25
        +4
        Quote: Doccor18
        And if you load the 3S14 PLUR, then the shock capabilities of this rather big ship will become quite nominal.

        He doesn't need them. This is not a strike ship, and it never will be, this is not what it was created for, after all
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 April 29 2021 11: 30
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          This is not a strike ship, and it never will be, this is not what it was created for, after all

          This is understandable.
          But if you invest in expensive modernization (and even against the background of an acute shortage of ocean-going ships), you could try to build something partly multipurpose, the hull dimensions allow.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 29 2021 12: 16
            +1
            Quote: Doccor18
            But if you invest in expensive modernization (and even against the background of an acute shortage of ocean-going ships), you could try to build something partly multipurpose, the hull dimensions allow.

            Well, in the version of this modernization, something "somewhat multipurpose" has turned out, just ... extremely stupid.
            On my IMHO, if we really undertake to modernize, then it would be necessary to put "Package" and 16 "Uraniums". The result would be a ship that could well in anti-submarine warfare, and at the same time could also decently offend a large enemy ship formation from the position of combat tracking.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 April 29 2021 12: 21
              0
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              On my IMHO, if we really undertake to modernize, then it would be necessary to put the "Package" and 16 "Uraniums" ...

              Perhaps 16 will not be enough for the enemy's ship connection.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 29 2021 12: 29
                +4
                Quote: Doccor18
                Perhaps 16 will not be enough for the enemy's ship connection.

                How is it? The fact is that the adversary never knows what is in the 16 cells of the UKSK. If suddenly there is a RCC, it can be awkward.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa April 29 2021 22: 45
              +1
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              it would be necessary to put the "Package" and 16 "Uranus".
              Andrew, hi
              1. Remember Mina, his indignation at the "machine" of the Packet. Where to get the volumes? And stability, if all this is piled on the waist?
              2. What does the set do not suit you: 8x3m14 + 8x3m54 + 8 - X35U? - in the shock version, or 4x3m14 + 4x 3m54 + 8 - X35U and 8 x P91 as a PLUR with a set of 2 RBU 6000 with R90R1 and (Polynom + 2 Ka-27PL with 2AT) - in an anti-submarine version.
              And what they did - the need for inventions is cunning! (Cheap and cheerful!)
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 29 2021 22: 30
        0
        Quote: Doccor18
        load 3S14 PLUR,

        What is it like!? Explain your idea, plz! belay
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 April 30 2021 05: 38
          0
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: Doccor18
          load 3S14 PLUR,

          What is it like!? Explain your idea, plz! belay

          In p.t. UKSK 3S14 load anti-submarine missiles from the "Caliber-NK" family.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 29 2021 11: 24
      +6
      Quote: Termit1309
      If, for example, 8 PLURs were loaded onto Shaposhnikov, is there still a need for the Package?

      Sure. "Package" is, first of all, an anti-torpedo complex, which will be very useful for a ship with a new, to put it mildly, Polynomial (albeit a mighty one, which is already there) in opposition to modern submarines.
      Quote: Termit1309
      And there are calibers in the PLUR version in service with the Navy? What do you think?

      The missiles themselves are for sure, but whether our Navy has them - I don't know
  14. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED April 29 2021 11: 58
    +3
    In addition, it was necessary to rebuild the hull structures: dismantled and re-manufactured approx. 40% of these units.

    Hull structures do not fall under the definition of "unit".
    A unit (in shipbuilding) is a connection consisting of mechanisms, apparatus, fittings and instruments (pipelines), arranged according to a functional characteristic (MTA). The units are fully interchangeable.
    Wikipedia
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 29 2021 23: 11
      0
      Quote: DED_peer_DED
      Hull structures do not fall under the definition of "unit".

      You have noticed this correctly. But, apparently, he is not a sailor, so a kind of mess like:
      As part of tasks of K-1, the organization of air defense and damage control, anti-sabotage measures were worked out etc. For the near future, it was planned to start the delivery of the K-2 task ...
      Task K-1 - "Organization of the ship and preparing it for battle and cruise", involves working out the schedules, but exercises for working out air defense and BZZh tasks are elements of the K-2 task ... task K-2 (maintenance of the database by a single ship) with elements of K-3 (joint navigation and maintenance of the database by the NK group), then the SK-1 (SL). This is so, from memory. Perhaps everything is no longer the same as it was with my grandmother ...
      AHA.
      1. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 6 May 2021 21: 55
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        But, apparently, - not a sailor,

        45 days was a military sailor :)
        He studied civilian for 3,5 years, but .... not destiny.
        I love the Sea, I respect the Marine Service.
  15. Efiop
    Efiop April 29 2021 13: 45
    0
    As for me. It would be more interesting to abandon the old torpedo tubes (there is still nothing to shoot with) in favor of the "Packet-NK", "Uran" to be placed behind the waist and you look in the bow there would be enough space to install a pair of "Calm" VPUs
  16. Zvolinski alex
    Zvolinski alex April 29 2021 13: 50
    0
    And about the shape of the superstructure ??? The ship began to shine on radars much more, and it looked like a quasi-mode. A good ship should be beautiful in everything, a cannon, after all, a radar-free form, but a superstructure? They put Zhiguli wings on the Mercedes)))
  17. Ryusey
    Ryusey April 29 2021 15: 00
    -1
    A rank I ship provides air defense for 10-12 km, why are you laughing? Why would an ocean-going ship X-35, for a fig, so that the Burks would laugh or to reduce the Onyx ammunition to a minimum, again to the laughter of the chickens?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 29 2021 15: 44
      +5
      Quote: Ryusey
      A rank I ship provides air defense for 10-12 km, why are you laughing?

      And that's okay. At least the "Dagger" provides good air defense, incl. against cruise missiles in the near zone. Will work with RKR or TAVKR - you get a warrant, and alone such a ship, even with Polyment, even with a dagger, will still be beaten.
      Quote: Ryusey
      Why would an ocean-going ship X-35, a fig, so that Burke would laugh

      The Berks do not have such a thing either - they stopped putting Harpoons on them a long time ago, and LRASM - the ulita is going, someday it will be.
      Quote: Ryusey
      or to reduce the Onyx ammunition to a minimum

      Onyxes are generally contraindicated for this ship. This is not a strike ship, but an anti-submarine ship, with a powerful, albeit old, SAC. Using it as a percussion, shall we say, is unwise.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 29 2021 23: 21
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        with a powerful, albeit old GAK.

        Device 1 remained the same, although the PI could have been changed for blistering. But at the expense of the hardware ... and the software, I definitely have doubts ... again, the towed body ...
        But they tried not to touch him under various pretexts: if they lost him, then a new commander appeared on the site.
        AHA.
  18. Old26
    Old26 April 29 2021 18: 08
    +1
    Quote: Yuri V.A.
    To rely on someone else's umbrella is the lot of small anti-submarine ships, and for an escort ship of almost cruising displacement, this is a serious miscalculation.

    And nevertheless, comrade Narak-zempo is right. BOD 1155 was supposed to work in tandem with the destroyer of Project 956. At that time, they could not create a universal ship ...

    Quote: Ryusey
    Than the X-35, he will only amuse the supastat with them.

    And you will use the anti-ship "Caliber" on any Laiba, or, nevertheless, the Kh-35 is enough for small ships (ships)

    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Is 100mm a large caliber artillery? Yeah.

    Alas, but 100-mm artillery is already considered large-caliber
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 29 2021 23: 25
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      but 100-mm artillery is already considered large-caliber

      In my opinion, 100 mm in the navy is a medium caliber, Large starts with 152 mm, capable of spitting SBPs. But they have been removed from service.
    2. Yuri V.A
      Yuri V.A April 30 2021 01: 55
      0
      "At that time, they could not create a universal ship." - they could, but apparently they didn't really want to, it was enough, as on its predecessors, to install at least one universal PU SAM Storm, not to mention the Fort, as on Azov.
  19. cobalt
    cobalt April 29 2021 19: 34
    +1
    Good news, but 5 years for modernization is too much, during this time China is building 2 new frigates from scratch.
  20. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 30 2021 00: 05
    0
    Quote: AC130 Ganship
    25-30 years old. Fighters after such a period are generally written off. Another thing is strange. After 4 years of modernization, such a weak air defense was installed

    What kind of air defense would you like to see and why?
  21. Vladislav Trofimov
    Vladislav Trofimov 1 May 2021 16: 17
    -1
    The frigate of the Russian Navy "Marshal Shaposhnikov" nearly knocked itself out with its own cruise missile.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Y_RTU6Eyg&ab_channel=TRT%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC
  22. sanya
    sanya 1 May 2021 17: 35
    -1
    Air defense is frankly weak
  23. Igor Vorobyov
    Igor Vorobyov 28 May 2021 21: 46
    0
    You rewrite all this from each other, but there is nothing new and you are not supposed to know each ship has its own legend. and then you will not get out.
  24. Marachuh
    Marachuh 31 May 2021 18: 23
    0
    The modernization was done taking into account the extension of the "old man's" resource. You always want more and more, but the main stake is on 22350