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Military spending will increase

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Source: nizhny-novgorod.vperemen.com


How many times have we heard or read about the need to increase military spending? I am not only about Russia, I am about almost all the leading countries of the world. And the amount that the state spends today on the purchase of one tank, airplane, ship, are called those from which the hair should stand on end. It is no longer about hundreds of thousands, not even millions, but sometimes billions of dollars.

But for some reason the hair doesn't even move. We perceive the cost of tens and hundreds of millions of dollars for an airplane as quite normal. Moreover, the advertisement describes such capabilities of this aircraft that even the most dumb and unprepared pilot can easily defeat any foreign ace. We are patriots, which means we will not spare any money for the victory of our warrior! The world on the issue of military spending went into a deep tailspin.

Why is this happening? Practically in all the leading countries of the world, which at least try to be respected and independent states? After all, any person, even those who are far from politics, economics, and international relations, understands that investments in military equipment and weapons are practically irrecoverable means. Lost money that could be used to resolve issues that are really important for the population.

How much the world pays for its own weakness


The figure for global military spending, which was announced by analytical agencies dealing with this issue, you will like. We have set another record. More precisely, as it is fashionable to write now, we have overcome a psychologically important milestone - almost $ 2 trillion. These are the data published by SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute).

Analysts call a more accurate figure, which, of course, can be questioned, $ 1,981 trillion, but, in the end, the figure itself is not so important. Other numbers are more important, the percentage of world GDP and the GDP of countries is important. Global spending in 2020 increased by 2019% compared to 0,2 and amounted to 2,4% of world GDP.

And what do we see when analyzing the results of the year in terms of the impact of the coronavirus pandemic? Alas, global GDP is falling. Moreover, this decline has not yet stopped. According to the same SIPRI, world GDP has shrunk by 4,4%! So the world earns less and spends more on war.

One can, of course, say that most of the expenditures are spent not on improving weapons and equipment, but on improving the material situation of servicemen, on maintaining military bases and other paramilitary expenses. Only there are no military expenses. Dressing, feeding, stationing the army is also the task of the Ministry of Defense. Exactly the same as supplying fuel, ammunition, conducting exercises, training missile launches, cruises of ships and flights of aircraft.

Who spends the most


It is clear that the stronger the army, the better it is armed and provided with military equipment, the more costs it requires. Consequently, the indicator of budget spending on defense can be viewed as a certain indicator of the strength of the state. Hence, you should pay attention to those who spend the most. For those countries with the largest military budget.

Is it trite? Probably, but for some it will come as a surprise. So, we are used to the fact that the first places in this race are occupied by the United States ($ 778 billion), China ($ 252 billion), Russia ($ 61,7 billion). However ... Alas, instead of the "bronze medal" Russia is now content with the "wooden" one. The third place in the world is taken by ... India ($ 72,9 billion). And one more surprise. Great Britain's attempts to take the place of the British Empire in world politics again - $ 59,2 billion. Have you noticed that the Saudis have disappeared from the top five?

Today we need to pay special attention to the military spending of other countries, members of the NATO bloc. After all, it is with the armies of European states that we will have to meet at the initial stage of a possible conflict. So the EU economy is falling and military spending is rising! Today we can already confidently speak about the fulfillment of the US requirement for a military budget of 2% of GDP by 12 countries of the alliance!

Well, and the answer to the last question that arises in connection with the above figures. Why is such attention given to the top five countries? After all, other states also spend budget funds. The answer is simple and can be found in the same SIPRI report. The United States, China, India, Russia and the United Kingdom account for 62% of global defense spending.

Let's cut short or vicious circle


Naturally, a very sensible question arises about reducing military spending. The army today is "a huge ulcer on the stomach of the state." Can this ulcer be cured? Is it possible for a world power to have an ordinary, not outstanding army?

Alas, humanity has fallen into a vicious circle. World wars, world competition, forced scientists and designers to create more and more advanced weapons. Those who have ever been under fire even from a small weapons, understands that the bullet that whistled in your ear is not yours. She's already far away. Your bullet will reach you in silence. And remember the films about the war of 1812 and about other wars of that time. The soldier sees the shot and has time to take cover. Another thing is that this was not accepted then in the army.

An example, of course, is weak, but indicative. Today, developed countries possess such weapons that even in battle, even with excellent training, a soldier will not be able to defend himself. Simply by virtue of the physiological and mental capabilities of the human body. The reaction of a person is not able to have time to assess the danger, make decisions and countermeasures.

That is why there is a need for complete automation of the decision-making process. This concept is implemented in aviation, naval navy, tank troops and the army in general. Up to the complete radicalization of the solution - the creation of combat robots capable of independently fighting even without operator control.

Let me remind readers of the recent message of Russian President Putin in the part concerning our topic. In principle, what was said in the message was already announced in December 2020.

“Already in 2021, by the forces of nuclear deterrence, we must reach the level of modernity of 88,3%. We know what exactly needs to be done on what positions. And according to the general-purpose forces, in 2024 they should reach the level of 75,9%, that is, almost 76%. "

Modern weapons in the Russian army today account for 68%. It is clear that in the Strategic Nuclear Forces (83%), the Aerospace Forces (75%), the Navy (63%), the Airborne Forces (63%), re-equipment is proceeding faster. But in other units, more than 50% of weapons and equipment are already noticeable. And this is money. This is the same military budget that it would be desirable to cut.

A trained soldier can fight even as a partisan


Today I often hear talk that there is no particular need for a modern army. Nuclear weapons will not be used. And non-nuclear is not so scary for trained soldiers and with good protection. I am especially touched by conversations, for example, of Ukrainian jingoistic patriots about partisan warfare. As well as the military doctrine of Ukraine as a state.

Once upon a time I watched on TV a Soviet movie about Belarusian partisans together with a real partisan. In the episode, when the heroic partisan scouts went to the nearest village to scout out what was happening there and where the Germans were, this man simply said: "The commander is a fool, and the first patrol will stop and arrest these scouts." How so? They are great guys. Patriots, ready for anything for the sake of victory, and suddenly ...

I did not receive an answer then. The front-line soldier did not want to spoil my mood from watching the film. And only then it dawned on me. Those who served in intelligence recall the strange, from the point of view of an ordinary person, traditions that have survived since the Great Patriotic War ... For example, do not shave before leaving. Why?

And you will remember yourself when you go home after a few days of tourist travel. With a bonfire, with sunrises and sunsets ... Do you remember the reaction of your relatives? Take off your clothes and wash all your clothes. A smell that eats into clothes so much that even on the street or on the balcony, it does not disappear. My partisan meant the smell. And that's why scouts don't shave. Smell from soap or foam.

By the way, those who served in the DRA remember stories about the "animal sense of spirits." This is from the same series. The smell of foam or cologne lasts in some places for days. Even a person can smell this unusual smell, not to mention animals. Think of the morning elevator in your house. You enter the elevator and immediately feel that the neighbor has already left for work. Perfume ...

I am not belittling the role of the soldier in modern warfare. I think a partisan movement is possible. But it is not worth exalting the role of the soldier's heroism. The war in Nagorno-Karabakh perfectly showed how heroes can die, but how powerless they are in the face of modern means of attack. After all, the same UAV is just a robot. One of the representatives of that very modern weaponry.

A few thoughts at the end


You can't cut military spending. If we want to live in peace, the fist must be such that, looking at it, the enemy thinks a hundred times before striking. Military spending needs to be optimized. The arms race that our opponents dream of is not an option. To have weapons capable of destroying the planet once and destroying the Earth ten times - is it a big difference for earthlings?

It is enough to have not a quantitative, but a qualitative superiority in armament. You need a weapon that nullifies the numerical superiority. If we look at the state of the armies today, then not even an expert will say about some "obsolescence" of the Americans. That is why the Americans are being prepared today for the fact that they will soon have to "tighten their belts" to modernize the US strategic nuclear forces.

I have watched the reactions of our likely adversaries to the recent final exercise. It is clear that for the layman, the media drew a picture with thousands of tanks, hundreds of aircraft and ships, but really serious analysts drew attention to something else. On the possibilities of logistics. The Russians know how to quickly move huge masses of troops from one theater of operations to another!

NATO drew attention to one more feature of the past exercises. The headquarters of the NATO armies today are actively studying and analyzing Russia's capabilities in organizing command and control of troops. At both the tactical and operational levels. The scenario of the exercise was such that not only commanders, but also staff officers showed their skills.

It is impossible to get rid of military spending. This is a given. This is necessary for the preservation of Russia. So far, everything is working out for us. But this is for now. Weapons are being developed in most countries of the world. And we can’t lag behind. Even to the detriment of other government programs. I remembered a common phrase about feeding either my own or someone else's army:

"The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's" ...
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 April 29 2021 05: 42
    +6
    Getting the "partners" to spend money on hypersound protection, against the Armat and Poseidons, is also a good strategy.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 April 29 2021 06: 22
      +5
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Make the "partners" spend money on the development of protection against hypersound, against Armat and Poseidons ...

      All this must first really be adopted by the domestic army. They should be in the military, not in advertising brochures. Then the "partners" will really move ...
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 April 29 2021 06: 39
        +6
        ... Military spending will increase

        In Russia, they have already been increased. Power spends with a great advantage on itself and on its support - the power block. By all accounts, Russia is a police state. But all expenses must be balanced for the progressive development of the state. How about spending on science and education?

        Medicine is a separate topic. There they have taken a course for optimization and cost reduction for a long time. Literally the day before yesterday I went to the clinic. There are no rooms for two weeks in advance for either therapists or narrow specialists. On the internet too. Those who have serious problems are sent to the pre-doctor's office, where there is a wild line for half a day. To the question, how to get to a narrow specialist, if you need it right now? The answer was simple:
        - Go for a fee.

        This is such a sad picture in a country where the most serious problem, according to the president, is population decline and demography. If this trend continues, then the army will have to hire guest workers. Well, why? On the construction site, they hire the same. And according to our leaders - it is even more profitable for us!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 April 29 2021 07: 26
          .
          Quote: Stas157
          Power with a great advantage spends on itself and on its support - the power block

          "Practice is the criterion of truth".

          Stolypin - We need 20 years. The revolution.
          Stalin - We need 10 years. War.
          Putin - we will protect ourselves from internal and external enemies, and then we will deal with our problems.

          Where is Putin wrong?

          ps
          Without solving the problems with sovereignty, it is not possible to solve problems within the country the way we need it.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira April 29 2021 09: 05
            0
            Internal enemies in Russia are in power. And youngsters and deceived pensioners take to the streets. And where is the protection? More precisely, who is protecting whom and from whom?
            1. Volder
              Volder April 29 2021 10: 05
              +1
              Quote: Pereira
              Internal enemies in Russia are in power.
              We are talking about external enemies who always interfere with solving internal problems. You don't have to go far for an example - just remember the sanctions or foreign agents.
              And youngsters and deceived pensioners take to the streets.
              Pensioners are several times less than mother's revolutionaries, mostly without higher education.
              And where is the protection? More precisely, who is protecting whom and from whom?
              The state must be able to defend itself from provocateurs. And it is right.
              1. Pereira
                Pereira April 29 2021 10: 11
                +3
                1. If internal problems are successfully resolved, external enemies will do little. And so it turns out, it's they who shit our trousers. This excuse doesn't work anymore.
                2. There are many times more retirees and pre-retirees than mother's revolutionaries. The demographic situation has changed dramatically over the past 20 years.
                3. A thieving state is quite successful in protecting itself from the people. And there is no one to protect the people from the state. They ate not to count the mother's revolutionaries.
              2. 210ox
                210ox April 29 2021 13: 42
                +4
                By the way, these "rEvolutionaries" are mainly with higher education. Working youth have no time to roam the streets. I want to answer by "non-refundable" means. It so happened that military production is one of our few industries capable of moving science and technology. And without this we will be on the outskirts of civilization.
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira April 29 2021 13: 56
                  -2
                  But you can't put high technologies on your feet in winter. So something simpler is needed.
                  1. 210ox
                    210ox April 29 2021 17: 58
                    +2
                    Certainly it is necessary and simpler. Especially in the sense that where it is easier to work entirely imported equipment. Which is necessary, "import ...". Ugh, you just have to do yours. Using the same technologies. Vicious circle. Something like this.
                2. Reserve buildbat
                  Reserve buildbat April 29 2021 17: 00
                  +4
                  Just "rEvolutionEry" is either dropouts (paid students), or with a higher education like a "banker" obtained in a forestry technical school. And it's not a joke. We in Ekb, in Letech, had (and maybe there are) departments, from which they left with a wipe ("diploma") in the specialty "banker", "economist", like something else was the same schizophrenic. It's just that people with working brains don't go to these "Teletubbies shows", realizing the idiotic nature of such performances.
                  1. 210ox
                    210ox April 29 2021 18: 07
                    +1
                    No offense to the residents of glorious Yekaterinburg. There you seem to have the ghost of EBNa walking. The place is probably fucked up by a drunk.
                    1. Reserve buildbat
                      Reserve buildbat April 29 2021 18: 22
                      +3
                      They say it is the city of victorious liberalism. What pisses me off and makes me want to burn around with napalm smile
                3. xorek
                  xorek April 29 2021 18: 22
                  -5
                  Quote: 210ox
                  By the way, these "rEvolutionaries" are mainly with higher education. Working youth have no time to roam the streets. I want to answer by "non-refundable" means. It so happened that military production is one of our few industries capable of moving science and technology. And without this we will be on the outskirts of civilization.

                  I agree ! Majors got divorced and idlers, I watch these "protests" sleek faces and well-dressed .. They sit in the internet for days and get bored, and then the party is cooler than in nightclubs and away we go .. creative
                  Ugh damn ..
              3. Antonio_Mariarti
                Antonio_Mariarti April 29 2021 15: 11
                -5
                Quote: Volder
                Quote: Pereira
                Internal enemies in Russia are in power.
                We are talking about external enemies who always interfere with solving internal problems. You don't have to go far for an example - just remember the sanctions or foreign agents.
                And youngsters and deceived pensioners take to the streets.
                Pensioners are several times less than mother's revolutionaries, mostly without higher education.
                And where is the protection? More precisely, who is protecting whom and from whom?
                The state must be able to defend itself from provocateurs. And it is right.

                Have you ever attended a rally? There are many more students than schoolchildren. The main striking force of the meeting was students. Therefore, before April 21, repression took place in universities and students were intimidated and discouraged from leaving.
                1. Reserve buildbat
                  Reserve buildbat April 29 2021 17: 02
                  +3
                  Yeah. There are more students. They are simply for any riot except a hunger strike, but there are no brains. So some idiots crawled out, over whom then fellow students sneered, they say, "the number of nerds in the city has been clarified according to the data of yesterday's rally"
              4. Alex777
                Alex777 April 29 2021 22: 31
                0
                We are talking about external enemies who always interfere with solving internal problems. You don't have to go far for an example - just remember the sanctions or foreign agents.

                The state must be able to defend itself from provocateurs. And it is right.

                I came across an interesting article.
                https://svpressa.ru/politic/article/297060/
                Paul Craig Roberts gave an exhaustive description of the politics of the States and the West.
                But in terms of what our answer should be, I largely disagree with him.
          2. xorek
            xorek April 29 2021 18: 17
            -5
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: Stas157
            Power with a great advantage spends on itself and on its support - the power block

            "Practice is the criterion of truth".

            Stolypin - We need 20 years. The revolution.
            Stalin - We need 10 years. War.
            Putin - we will protect ourselves from internal and external enemies, and then we will deal with our problems.

            Where is Putin wrong?

            ps
            Without solving the problems with sovereignty, it is not possible to solve problems within the country the way we need it.

            I understood you Boris and all your company here ..!

            And this is constantly being hammered into the brain of young people on many resources of the Internet and other liberal media ...
        2. Saler
          Saler April 29 2021 09: 44
          +3
          In general, you are right, but partially. There are global problems with science, education and medicine in our country. Of course, they also need to be addressed. But at the same time, it is impossible to say unequivocally that the money spent on the army is money in the sand. First, our military-industrial complex is developing in our country, and this is our advanced industry. This is work for people, salaries, taxes. All this feeds Russia. Secondly, our weapons are in demand on the world market, we can sell them and earn more. Thirdly, the most important thing is to protect the sovereignty of our country. Our country is very rich in resources. I would not want global corporations to come and pump out all the wealth from us, leaving the virgin lands. It is clear that our oligarchs are doing this now, but the state is working in this direction. The fight with offshore companies and so on began. We need to develop our processing industry in order to earn more on resources. By the way, a ban on the export of unprocessed timber from Russia will come into force on January 1, 2022. What will the economy benefit? First of all, the cheaper cost of raw materials for Russian producers, the deepening of the level of processing, and most importantly, the surplus value in the share of exports will increase. Our industry and the state will be able to earn more only on wood. Hence, new jobs, salaries, taxes, the country's well-being. There will be more money, there will be more funds for education, medicine and science.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira April 29 2021 11: 47
            -1
            About money in the sand, I never said and will not say. But one does not interfere with the other.

            You write about untreated wood. Outwardly, everything is great. But in fact, will this wood be in demand within the country? Will anyone build new deep processing plants? Not sure. You can build something. The question is where, to whom and at what price to sell the products? I'm not sure if the export will take place. They will not be allowed to enter Europe. To China? There is full of it. And the domestic market is small and steadily shrinking.
            One thing pleases - the forest will be more whole.
        3. Ryusey
          Ryusey April 30 2021 10: 23
          -3
          If Russia were a police state, you would have been eating gruel for a long time ...
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 April 30 2021 11: 22
            +1
            you would have been eating gruel for a long time already ...

            Yes, schaz, someone will rush straight to allocate a shkonka, and even a gruel ..
            You need to get something from a person .. and for this he must be given imaginary freedom .. and in order to work .. pay taxes .. And then three more skins to tear off ..
          2. Revival
            Revival 7 May 2021 23: 41
            0
            According to the "intensity of passions" for the police, the state is different.
            Or do you have everything that is not "smoke of crematoria", then democracy and freedom?
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 29 2021 06: 43
        +6
        Quote: Doccor18
        They should be in the military, not in advertising brochures. Then the "partners" will really move ...

        The SDI, which did not leave the laboratories, but rather from the "advertising booklets", frayed its nerves, and pulled out funds from the USSR budget not childishly.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 April 29 2021 07: 13
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          SOI, which did not leave the laboratories, but rather from the "advertising booklets", frayed its nerves ...

          How many I read about this "SOI", there was a general impression that only 70-year-old partocrats with incontinence were "frightened", and many specialists from the domestic military-industrial complex initially realized that such a task was untenable ...
          Fantastic now, few people can be intimidated. They are only afraid of what they see.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 29 2021 21: 46
            +1
            But SDI is now completely feasible from a technical point of view and work on it in the United States has not stopped since the 80s, there is already an Aegis X 37B missile defense system, combat lasers, radars with a selection of false targets, missile defense satellites with IR cameras and even a beam weapon system.
        2. Genry
          Genry April 29 2021 07: 18
          0
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          SDI and nerves frayed, and pulled out funds from the budget of the USSR not childishly.

          Where does infa come from?
          And don't say, "Everyone knows that."
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 29 2021 08: 18
            0
            Quote: Genry
            Where does infa come from?
            And don't say, "Everyone knows that."

            Well, personally, at a young age, with my own modest funds, I bought a couple of expensive books about countering SDI. I spent a lot of money! laughing
            But seriously, then:
            In the 1980s, the USSR, among other things, developed an "asymmetric response" to R. Reagan's "Strategic Defense Initiative". RAS Academician A. A. Kokoshin, who in the past held the posts of First Deputy Minister of Defense and Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, wrote about the “asymmetric response”: working out the concept and specific programs of the "asymmetric response" ... to "SDI", three main types of responses to the long-term large-scale missile defense of the United States can be noted from the point of view of the entire complex of parameters for ensuring strategic stability

            Although the answer is asymmetrical, he demanded investments, and not comic.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona April 29 2021 09: 18
              -2
              So asymmetrical that the Energy launched a model of a combat laser into space, that is, it was absolutely symmetric strictly according to the SDI cartoons
      3. Volder
        Volder April 29 2021 09: 58
        +2
        Quote: Doccor18
        All this must first really be adopted by the domestic army. They should be in the military, not in advertising brochures.
        So that the Western "partners" do not miss being ahead of Russia, they must do something now. When new weapons are put into service, the West will remain in the role of catch-up. Do they need it? Therefore, it is logical that it is impossible to simply wait for the weather by the sea, they need to develop counteraction now. After all, this process is not fast, it can drag on for 10-15 years.
        Then the "partners" will really move ...
        They are already moving with might and main - both in engineering and diplomatic terms.
    2. Civil
      Civil April 29 2021 07: 12
      -3
      "The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's" ...

      The Red Army was its own and then the SA, the Russian army stands guard over capitalist values. The army certainly needs a modern one without conscription, otherwise the guy turns out to be 18 years old and he already owes certain people with yachts. Let them pay for their safety and the safety of their enterprises from ... others like them, but only from the West.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 April 29 2021 07: 54
        -2
        Quote: Civil
        The Red Army was its own and then the SA, the Russian army stands guard over capitalist values.

        The army is designed to protect the state from external enemies.
        Internal problems are solved by internal troops.

        Quote: Civil
        it turns out that the guy is 18 years old and he already owes specific persons with yachts

        In addition to rights, there are also obligations - the obligation to protect the state.

        "The state is a system of self-government of society, ensuring the development or at least the survival of the people, without losing their cultural identity, under the influence of external factors".
        1. Civil
          Civil April 29 2021 08: 12
          -5
          The army is designed to protect the state from external enemies.
          Internal problems are solved by internal troops.

          The Taman and Kantemirovsk Guards divisions took an active part in the defeat of the defenders of the Supreme Soviet in 1993.
          Moreover, by order, they will once again rewind the guts of Muscovites on the tracks of their tanks.
          In addition to rights, there are also obligations - the obligation to protect the state.

          And what are the duties of the conditional Michelson? Why didn't he serve? Will his children come from London to serve in the RA?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 April 29 2021 08: 31
            -3
            Quote: Civil
            Moreover, by order, they will once again rewind the guts of Muscovites on the tracks of their tanks.

            Are you talking about the three soldered ones that you threw under the goose of an armored personnel carrier?
            Or those snipers firing from the roof of the US Embassy at civilians?

            Quote: Civil
            Will his children come from London to serve in the RA?

            During the coexistence of Russia, Russia, the USSR and again Russia, many social systems have changed. There are even more leaders, and Russia has been, is and will be thanks to our armed forces.

            Are you unhappy with our army? Remember Hitler's army that destroyed 20 million civilians (children, women, the elderly - military losses are comparable). Do you want this repetition of it because you don't like multiple personalities? Are you ready for this to destroy all of Russia and all the citizens living in it?

            ps
            M. Thatcher - about 15 million should remain in Russia.
            T. Bleer - about 30 million should remain in Russia.

            They don't need office plankton. They need someone who will service the pipe.
            Guess three times what will happen to the rest?
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor April 29 2021 08: 46
              +2
              What about economic sovereignty, Boris? where is he on paper and in some laws not working? Why attack a country whose economy is under your control in general? an economic war is also a war and in it you also need to have "economic strength" nowadays one army cannot defend sovereignty .. and economic strength is often more important than an army .. in fact, an army is protection, including the economy. e. the economy is not secondary after the Sun, but rather primary in our time.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 April 29 2021 09: 14
                -6
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                What about economic sovereignty,

                Stolypin and Stalin were engaged in economic sovereignty, but as a result they almost lost the country. Only by protecting ourselves from internal and external "ill-wishers" will we be able ourselves, at our discretion, to solve our economic problems the way we do, and no one else needs it ..

                Quote: 2 level advisor
                why attack a country whose economy is under your control

                Do you mean the times of Yeltsin? So then our entire economy was driven to zero. Survived as best they could ...

                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                an economic war is also a war and in it you also need to have "economic strength"

                The war is fought on all six priorities of human governance. Commonly called - hybrid ...

                Control priorities in the cartoon:

                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor April 29 2021 12: 27
                  -1
                  "Stolypin and Stalin were engaged in economic sovereignty, but as a result they almost lost the country. Only by protecting ourselves from internal and external" ill-wishers "can we ourselves, at our discretion, solve our economic problems the way we, and no one else, should .. "

                  And you did not think that Stalin was able to build an army, first of all - because first he raised the economy? Where would all the weapons be produced on a mass scale and on what-first-before the economy?

                  "Do you mean the times of Yeltsin? So then our entire economy was driven to zero. They survived as best they could ...."

                  No, I mean now, when everything is also a large part of the income - from the sale of natural resources and the Central Bank under the IMF ... and until the 90s this course is not long left - the people are already rapidly becoming impoverished and there are no growth prospects (not in speeches, promises or according to statistics with an average salary of 51000, but in fact) ..
              2. Volder
                Volder April 29 2021 10: 23
                +3
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                What about economic sovereignty, Boris?
                I'll be responsible for Boris. There is not a single country in the world whose economy would be completely sovereign, that is, enclosed in itself. The same USA is actively promoting the theme of globalism, foreign trade interaction and even mutual integration of economies.
                Why attack a country whose economy is under your control in general?
                Quite right. The economies of the colonial, vassal countries are controlled by the United States. Therefore, the United States is friends with them, calling them allies.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 April 29 2021 11: 17
                  -3
                  Quote: Volder
                  There is not a single country in the world whose economy would be completely sovereign, that is, enclosed in itself.

                  Globalization, as the most effective way of the economy, is an objective process, but who is it is a subjective process. The war is over who will lead globalization. The West is losing in this war - a civil war has begun in the United States, they are not up to it.
                2. ball
                  ball April 29 2021 14: 10
                  0
                  Agree
                  This suggests an analogy with parasites, which do not immediately kill their hosts, but they spoil badly.
            2. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi April 29 2021 09: 13
              +3
              Quote: Boris55
              Remember Hitler's army that destroyed 20 million civilians (children, women, the elderly - military losses are comparable). Do you want this repetition of it because you don't like multiple personalities?

              And not to remind you of RIA, sample of 1914? In general, the army was not bad, if in general. Both large and technically good looking, compared to the rest, at least at the beginning of WWI. Here are just "a few individuals who did not like everyone", created such economic and social conditions in the country that, with the exertion of forces, neither the technical nor the moral level of the RIA was able to maintain. And repetition, apparently, it is precisely those Michelsons who want, because a situation has been created in the country - a copy of the one that was in 1914. And the result is unlikely to be very different from the winter of 1916-17, if the country is again faced with similar conditions.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 April 29 2021 09: 30
                -5
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                And not to remind you of RIA, sample of 1914?

                No, at least because our president is not a relative of foreigners.

                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Here are just "a few individuals who did not like everyone", created such economic and social conditions in the country that, with the exertion of forces, neither the technical nor the moral level of the RIA was able to maintain.

                There are plenty of similar personalities in power today. But judging by the way the West, threatening and imposing sanctions against them, is already yelling with good obscenities: "Remove Putin, otherwise we are finished, but you will die first."

                ps
                The use of external forces to achieve their goals by various political forces in the history of the World happens all the time.
                1. Lannan Shi
                  Lannan Shi April 29 2021 10: 08
                  +3
                  Quote: Boris55
                  No, at least because our president is not a relative of foreigners.

                  And why does he need foreign relatives if he has a foreign inner circle? One gold is worth something. With his granddaughter settled in the abode of evil. And laurels? Whose daughter grew up, and actually received education, in another such monastery? It will be stronger than a foreign second cousin jelly, on cousin water. This Russian version of the Westerners has already begun to replace their fathers and grandfathers in power. And in general, our elites barely resemble the IVS, I don’t change soldiers for field marshals from him. These ... will exchange easily. One country was betrayed, and the other will be betrayed. yes
                  Quote: Boris55
                  There are a lot of similar personalities in power today. But judging by the way the West, threatening and imposing sanctions against them, is already yelling with good obscenities: Take Putin away, otherwise we are finished, but you will die first.

                  What nonsense. Here is the youngest zolotov in the landon, and chu? Is it so difficult to plant it? But no, he lives in freedom and is happy with his life. The West is systematically and slowly hitting the economic and social situation in the country. And our elites only contribute to it. With the optimism of a cheerful idiot. Remind me of food counter-sanctions, for example? In fact, they did not hit anyone, with the exception of ordinary Russians, whose standard of living dropped by a quarter in about six months.
                  Don't give a damn about the West and Putin and other Shoigov. Russia is no longer number one in Western politics. In the mentions of the US media, for example, we even get into the top five, sometimes we don't, and we lose to China at times. You should not be sick with egocentrism, neither the galaxy, nor even the sun revolves around you. We are simply kicked lightly, contributing to the processes of our degradation. With which, however, we ourselves are coping well. Already 10 years ago, we are lagging behind, in terms of economic growth, from the global average. And the west ... He just helps us a little, so that they quickly roll back to the level of Nigeria.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 April 29 2021 11: 02
                    -2
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    And why does he need foreign relatives if he has a foreign inner circle?

                    At that level, there are no friends (inner circle), there are only the interests of the clans they represent. Sometimes these interests coincide, which from the outside looks like friendly relations for the layman.

                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    Don't give a damn about the West and Putin and other Shoigov.

                    Oh, is it? The last transfer of troops near Voronezh showed that the army was under the control of the supreme commander. This is what scared the West. That is why they threaten to block the accounts of whoever has them, "our" elite. That is why they threaten to disconnect us from the payment system.

                    Thus, through the foreign policy, it controls the domestic policy.
                    1. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi April 29 2021 11: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: Boris55
                      At that level, there are no friends (inner circle), there are only the interests of the clans they represent.

                      Then why bother, your mention of them?
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Oh, is it? The last transfer of troops near Voronezh showed that the army was under the control of the supreme commander. This is what scared the West.

                      The circus. Horse-drawn. This is your findings. Do you seriously think that the willingness of the army to go to the exercises without starting a civil war was a revelation for NATO? fool
                      Quote: Boris55
                      This is why they threaten

                      Not. That's not why. And systematically and methodically. Regardless of any teachings and Lavrov's statements. It is our foreign policy that resembles the reaction of an amoeba to external stimuli. The enemy has a clear plan. A weak spot has been found, and it will be hit, methodically and persistently. Until we die, or until we eliminate the vulnerability. Judging by the fact that no one is going to eliminate the vulnerability, but on the contrary, they groom it, cherish and expand it, the option - let's die, suits everyone. Including us.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 April 29 2021 11: 23
                        -1
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        And systematically and methodically

                        This is only good for us. All those who did not have time to return all the loot to Russia - "They will be tortured to swallow the dust."

                        In Russia, 20% of all natural resources - we will not die, but they are already dying, so they are furious. And if they disconnect us from their payment system, it will be generally fine.
                      2. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi April 29 2021 11: 33
                        +4
                        Quote: Boris55
                        This is only good for us. All those who did not have time to return all the loot to Russia - "They will be tortured to swallow dust"

                        Or they will speed up the withdrawal of money to the west. And your move there. The increase in capital outflow in 2020, compared to 2019, by more than 1.5 times, hints at the greater realism of this particular option.
                        Quote: Boris55
                        In Russia, 20% of all natural resources - we will not die,

                        Actually already. Let's die. Over the past two years, natural population growth has been minus almost two million. And illiterate ravshans and dzhamshuts are not quite an adequate substitute for indigenous people. And I think the option of replacing Russians with Uzbeks and other Tajiks, Westerners will also be fine.
                      3. Antonio_Mariarti
                        Antonio_Mariarti April 29 2021 15: 20
                        -2
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        Quote: Boris55
                        This is only good for us. All those who did not have time to return all the loot to Russia - "They will be tortured to swallow dust"

                        Or they will speed up the withdrawal of money to the west. And your move there. The increase in capital outflow in 2020, compared to 2019, by more than 1.5 times, hints at the greater realism of this particular option.
                        Quote: Boris55
                        In Russia, 20% of all natural resources - we will not die,

                        Actually already. Let's die. Over the past two years, natural population growth has been minus almost two million. And illiterate ravshans and dzhamshuts are not quite an adequate substitute for indigenous people. And I think the option of replacing Russians with Uzbeks and other Tajiks, Westerners will also be fine.

                        For people like him and his supporters, the most important thing is to show "Kuzka's mother", and how we will live is the second ...
                    2. Antonio_Mariarti
                      Antonio_Mariarti April 29 2021 15: 18
                      -2
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      And systematically and methodically

                      This is only good for us. All those who did not have time to return all the loot to Russia - "They will be tortured to swallow the dust."

                      In Russia, 20% of all natural resources - we will not die, but they are already dying, so they are furious. And if they disconnect us from their payment system, it will be generally fine.

                      If we are disconnected from SWIFT, then the ruble will be over 100 rubles, food prices will increase by at least 20 percent. Yes fine! I'm already silent about household appliances ...
        2. Civil
          Civil April 29 2021 09: 31
          +2
          Are you talking about the three soldered ones that you threw under the goose of an armored personnel carrier?

          Deliberately confuse 1991 with 1993, learn materiel.
          Are you unhappy with our army? Remember Hitler's army that destroyed 20 million civilians (children, women, the elderly - military losses are comparable). Do you want this repetition of it because you don't like multiple personalities? Are you ready for this to destroy all of Russia and all the citizens living in it?

          There is no need to tell tales, there is a nuclear weapon that can stop your imaginary Hitler in 2021.
          And do not put exactly between the RA and the Red Army. Where some defended the Soviet people and the Soviet state. And the RA stands guard over the capitalist state, but the "capitalist people" does not exist.
          Moreover, the West still receives everything from the Russian Federation for pieces of paper.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 April 29 2021 09: 34
            -4
            Quote: Civil
            RA stands guard over the capitalist state

            Internally, the political structure of the country is determined by the citizens. The task of the army is to provide them with such a right - the right to determine their own lives.

            ps
            Have you already nominated your candidate for the upcoming Duma elections or are you waiting to be provided with a list of their candidates?
            1. Civil
              Civil April 29 2021 09: 38
              +1
              Internally, the political structure of the country is determined by the citizens.

              Which country is this? Everything is decided by Moscow.
              Quote: Boris55
              Have you already nominated your candidate for the upcoming Duma elections or are you waiting to be provided with a list of their candidates?

              United Russia will receive a constitutional majority. The rest will be in the same framework or less. The deputies will take seats according to the purchased tickets.
              The people will survive in silence.
              Nothing will change until at least 2036.
              The riot police await those who disagree.
              If there are too many rioters, that army will bring everyone to their senses.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 April 29 2021 09: 46
                -4
                Quote: Civil
                For us everything is decided by Moscow.

                "If you are not in politics, then politics will take care of you". If you do not want to solve your problems yourself, then others will solve them for you, naturally in their favor.

                Quote: Civil
                The people will survive in silence.

                The people control the power at the egregorial-matrix level (what is it - there is plenty of information on the internet). As an example:
                - tired of a mumbler, got a talker;
                - Tired of the talker, got a drunkard;
                - tired of the drunkard - got normal.
                1. Civil
                  Civil April 29 2021 10: 08
                  +1
                  If you do not want to solve your problems yourself, then others will solve them for you, naturally in their favor.

                  Don't push me to extremism. The Criminal Code is also on guard.
                  The people control the power at the egregorial-matrix level (what is it - there is plenty of information on the internet). As an example:
                  - tired of a mumbler, got a talker;
                  - Tired of the talker, got a drunkard;
                  - tired of the drunkard - got normal.

                  I agree, it doesn't matter what the name of the tsar-president-emperor is. Society of the 3rd world is not able to answer for itself.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 April 29 2021 11: 05
                    0
                    Quote: Civil
                    Don't push me to extremism. The Criminal Code is also on guard.

                    You simply do not see any other way out but to a violent change of power, but there is another way.

                    The social system can and should be changed in an evolutionary way, and this is really possible. As an example: look how Stalin in 1924 managed to seize control of the country from the Trotskyists, how the Trotskyists managed to regain power in the 90s ...

                    ps
                    About internal enemies.
                    Putin talks about history textbooks that do not meet Russia's interests, the Ministry of Education does not find anything like it in them.
                  2. Civil
                    Civil April 29 2021 11: 35
                    0
                    As an example: look how Stalin in 1924 managed to seize control of the country from the Trotskyists, how the Trotskyists managed to regain power in the 90s ...

                    That the Trotskyists, that Stalin, were for the people and for the people's state, do not confuse.
                    Not even a hint of violence. Changing one tsar to another will not fundamentally change anything. Moreover, the point of no return has been passed. Any reforms are already pointless, due to demographic and economic reasons.
                    About internal enemies.
                    Putin talks about history textbooks that do not meet Russia's interests, the Ministry of Education does not find anything like it in them.

                    Textbooks are written according to the Federal Educational Standards (FSES), which are written on the knee by the lowest-ranking and lowest-paid specialists of the Ministry of Education. It doesn't even make sense to look for them - there is a staff turnover like in all education. The systemic crisis and even the President understands that the state has no money for good personnel in the middle and lower levels. And there are no personnel for money either.
                    Therefore, we silently pull stability as far as possible ...
            2. Revival
              Revival 7 May 2021 23: 53
              0
              "The people will survive in silence."

              To each his own.

              I believe that the survivor is content and approving.
              And not everything has been done in the interests of the state.
              It is necessary to ensure the maximum efficiency of ensuring the interests of the state for all pensioners, low and middle-level officials, teachers, all state employees to set the maximum salary in the amount of the minimum wage, they are patriots, they understand, and moreover, they are FOR!
              And spend the freed up funds more efficiently!
              NATO is on the alert!
              Time is, you need to understand!
      2. Revival
        Revival 7 May 2021 23: 45
        -1
        "Are you talking about the three soldered ones that you threw under the goose of an armored personnel carrier?"

        No.
        We are about those who fired from tanks at the request of ebna .....
    3. Volder
      Volder April 29 2021 10: 11
      0
      Quote: Civil
      The Taman and Kantemirovsk Guards divisions took an active part in the defeat of the defenders of the Supreme Soviet in 1993.
      These are illegal actions. We are talking about the legal appointment of the army and internal organs.
      1. Civil
        Civil April 29 2021 10: 30
        +2
        Quote: Volder
        These are illegal actions. We are talking about the legal appointment of the army and internal organs.

        laughing in the countries of the 3rd world, who has an army that king.
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  2. Gato
    Gato April 29 2021 12: 32
    +3
    "The state is a system of self-government of society, ...

    This is the definition from wikipedia. And here's another definition from Oxford Languages:
    The state is a political organization of the ruling class of the country, headed by the government and its bodies, with the task of protecting the existing order and suppressing class opponents
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn April 29 2021 09: 36
    +4
    Quote: Civil
    The Red Army was its own and then the SA, the Russian army stands guard over capitalist values
    hard to disagree, just like the police, against the police
    now in general, the phrase about the army, it is more appropriate to replace it with
    "The people who do not want to feed their oligarchs will feed strangers!" fellow
  • Ryusey
    Ryusey April 30 2021 10: 25
    -1
    The usual position of Judas, substituting one concept for another.
  • Vadmir
    Vadmir April 29 2021 16: 07
    0
    Showing Armata at a military parade in 2015 was a mistake, it stepped up the development of new technology, in particular a new tank gun in Germany, capable of penetrating Armata. It was necessary to first bring this tank to mass production, and only then show it off to the whole world.
    Make "partners" spend money
    This "spent" money will more than pay off, the military-industrial complex is a driver of economic growth. The arms race harms only those countries that do not produce weapons themselves, but buy, thereby squandering their economies, while raising the economy of the arms exporter country.
    1. Revival
      Revival 7 May 2021 23: 59
      0
      "It was first necessary to bring this tank to serial production."

      Was there such a goal?
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  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 29 2021 05: 42
    0
    "The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's" ...
    And this is an axiom that has long been tested by time and historical events. Therefore, no matter what they say, the country's army must be combat-ready and armed with modern weapons. We manage to do this at minimal cost in comparison with the same United States.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind April 29 2021 07: 49
      +3
      Napoleon's words. Well, he fed and groomed the army. So, what is next?
      1. ALARI
        ALARI April 29 2021 08: 14
        -1
        The marshals betrayed him when he smelled fried.
      2. Volder
        Volder April 29 2021 10: 31
        -1
        Quote: Free Wind
        Napoleon's words. Well, he fed and groomed the army. So, what is next?
        Napoleon always won wars until he attacked Russia. Russia turned out to be too strong both militarily and economically. The army is needed for defense, not for attack. Napoleon was engaged in attacks, like Hitler. The fate of both of you is known.
        1. Ryusey
          Ryusey April 30 2021 10: 27
          0
          Stupidity is utter
    2. parusnik
      parusnik April 29 2021 08: 31
      +1
      And this is an axiom that has long been tested by time and historical events.
      ... Feed, screwdriver Fords, Pepsi and Cola corporations, numerous chain stores owned by foreign companies, Renault-Nissan-VAZ, Turkey, China, buying their cheap goods. Feed these companies and countries, therefore, feed their armies.
      1. Volder
        Volder April 29 2021 10: 59
        +1
        Quote: parusnik
        Feed, screwdriver Fords, Pepsi and Cola corporations, numerous chain stores owned by foreign companies, Renault-Nissan-VAZ, Turkey, China, buying their cheap goods. Feed these companies and countries, therefore, feed their armies.
        The US also feeds China. Many countries are feeding China. It seems that the topic of globalism is not familiar to you. There is nothing wrong with foreign investment if it is beneficial for the state.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik April 29 2021 11: 12
          +1
          laughing I didn’t expect any other answer.
          There is nothing wrong with foreign investment if it is beneficial for the state.
          ... We continue, feed, strangers ... laughing
        2. Per se.
          Per se. April 29 2021 13: 34
          +1
          Quote: Volder
          The US also feeds China.
          The USA and Hitler were fed, mainly with the money of the States, the Nazis came to power. One of the main guarantors of compliance with the restrictions of Versailles, England and the United States, then turned a blind eye to all violations, allowing the defeated Germany to arm, absorb Austria, moreover, according to the Munich Agreement, they gave the Germans and Czechoslovakia. This is how they created the anti-USSR, allowed Germany to gain the power, the necessary military and economic potential in order to solve the main problem of capitalism with the hands of the Germans - the Soviet Union, independent from the West, with a new world pole, socialism.

          German National Socialism with Hitler, as the antipode of socialism and communism, fulfilled its task, the Anglo-Saxons again raked up the heat with someone else's hands, playing off the Germans with the Russians, so that, as Harry Truman later cynically put it, "kill each other as much as possible", and they they also made money. The consequences of the Second World War are known - henpecked Europe, the dollar is the world currency, the Anglo-Saxons are the sole leaders and masters of world capitalism. One misfortune, the USSR then not only survived, but thanks to socialism became a space and nuclear superpower.

          Now China. No one would pull China out of the mud, help and cover, only the help of the USSR allowed the Chinese to industrialize, and this start was impossible without the Soviet Union. Further, Damansky ... So, from that moment on, China for the West became a new, already eastern anti-USSR, instead of the defeated Third Reich in the west. The West turned a blind eye to both the "commies" and the terrifying piracy and theft of technology; they began to make a new counterbalance to socialism, the Soviet Union, from the Chinese "national communists". To this, colossal profits from counterfeit goods, from cheap labor.

          The USA "feeds" China, as they say, I beg you! ... The capitalists do not feed anyone, and they just do nothing. No matter how someone puffs their cheeks, it is IMPOSSIBLE to live in capitalism and be free from its laws, from its world masters. This also applies to the PRC, which is rapidly gaining strength as an industrial monster on our empty borders.
          1. Revival
            Revival 8 May 2021 00: 03
            0
            As I understand it, they strenuously pretended that they did not understand your idea, and the hint was not just thick ...
      2. Ryusey
        Ryusey April 30 2021 10: 28
        0
        And you turn out to be a cheap populist).
  • fa2998
    fa2998 April 29 2021 05: 59
    +5
    Quote: rotmistr60
    "The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's" ...
    And this is an axiom that has long been tested by time and historical events. Therefore, no matter what they say, the country's army must be combat-ready and armed with modern weapons. We manage to do this at minimal cost in comparison with the same United States.

    Of course, this ascioma is good, but those who spend more on defense, they earn more (USA, CHINA). Equal with them, you can drive the horse! You read all Americans, but their income for a year, and then compare how cheap we are on average Are we spending a citizen? Maybe we will raise the economy a little, what would not be so expensive for taxpayers?
    Of course, a sea of ​​people is busy in the defense industry. The money is good, and the state order, of course, they are interested so that this order never ends. After all, many people cannot do anything except weapons! hi
    1. Vadmir
      Vadmir April 29 2021 16: 18
      -1
      Of course, this ascioma is good, but those who spend more on defense, they earn more (USA, CHINA). Equal with them, you can drive the horse!
      Do you see a direct link between spending on defense and economic growth? And the brand is weak precisely because they killed their own industry and began to buy everything abroad, thereby raising other people's economies and weakening their own.
      The military-industrial complex is the only industry that has substituted import and buying weapons we raise our own economy, and not others'. More orders for weapons, more jobs, stronger industry, higher GDP, higher tax revenues, and therefore more money for civil projects.
  • Professor
    Professor April 29 2021 06: 50
    0
    You can't cut military spending.

    Give the USSR version 2.0. wassat

    I have watched the reactions of our likely adversaries to the recent final exercise. It is clear that for the layman, the media drew a picture with thousands of tanks, hundreds of aircraft and ships, but really serious analysts drew attention to something else. On the possibilities of logistics. The Russians know how to quickly move huge masses of troops from one theater of operations to another!

    I am embarrassed to ask the author where did he observe the reaction of his probable opponents to the recent final exercises? I study bourgeois militarist publications permanently and in their damned language. The alignment there was as follows: the Russian Federation transferred its headquarters forces closer to the border, and "99.99999%" of everything else was from the local theater of operations. As an example, they cited the necessary 100 railway platforms only for transfer one battalion... The transfer of a division from another theater of operations is already a mega-project which simply did not exist.

    "The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's" ...

    She needs to be fed, and not let her get fat, otherwise there will be no one to feed.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 April 29 2021 08: 06
      0
      Quote: Professor
      She needs to be fed, and not let her get fat, otherwise there will be no one to feed.

      Thanks for the advice on treating symptoms, professor.
  • bandabas
    bandabas April 29 2021 07: 53
    0
    But now, like in a pioneer camp, they collect for a year.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 April 29 2021 08: 03
    +4
    The article is just great. And the conclusions are generally dear and expensive. "The nightmare of humanity is spending a huge amount of money on the means of its destruction!" And the conclusions - "we are undernourished, but we will rivet the tanks." Well what can I say. This is the price of refusing to build communism. Trillions flowing into the tube, which could be spent on science, medicine, infrastructure, industry, agriculture, space, education. And it would be okay just that. There is an option that we will multiply each other by zero tomorrow. And the pretentious idiots from the adepts of capitalism tell us what a wonderful thing this is - capitalism. People wake up at last.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik April 29 2021 08: 24
      +2
      People wake up at last.
      . good Paradise has been promised to people all over the world. That's what they strive to get there. Fear rules the planet. There is a medicine against fear, communism. But making sick people healthy is not profitable. Feast, during the plague, that's what is happening now.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 29 2021 09: 38
      +2
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      riveted tanks

      and we will collect text messages for sick children - and if we don’t collect them, we’ll have to die, didn’t fit into the market.
      1. Revival
        Revival 8 May 2021 00: 06
        +1
        And by the way, I recently came across an issue about this ...
        Two specific children did not have time ...
        How to deal with it ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 29 2021 08: 16
    +3
    Ray Bradbury "Rust" ".... The Colonel sat down heavily and for half a minute gasped and blinked. He saw nothing or heard anything, but he knew that behind these walls the hangars were turning into soft red rust, that brown dust blown away by the wind, that tanks slowly sink into the molten asphalt of the roads, like prehistoric monsters once fell into asphalt pits - just as this young man said. Trucks turn into clouds of orange paint, leaving only rubber tires rolling aimlessly on roads.
    - Sir ... - said the sentry, who had seen all this.
    - I swear…
    - Listen, listen to me! The colonel shouted.
    - Follow him, hold him up with your hands, strangle him, punch him, kick him, beat him to death, but you must stop him! I'll be with you now! - and he hung up. Out of habit, he opened the bottom drawer of the table to take the revolver. The leather holster was filled with brown rust. He bounced off the table cursing.
    Running through the office, he grabbed a chair. "Wooden," he thought, "good old wood, good old beech." Hit it twice against the wall and broke it. Then he grabbed one of the legs, clenched it tightly in his fist. He was almost purple with anger and gasped for air. To test, I hit myself on the arm with a chair leg.
    - Good, damn it! He shouted. With a wild cry, he ran out and slammed the door. "
  • Per se.
    Per se. April 29 2021 08: 56
    +2
    Is it possible for a world power to have an ordinary, not outstanding army?
    The answer is obvious, a priori a strong state must have a strong army. However, the conclusion will not be correct without specifying the geographical factor, friendly or hostile environment. Geopolitical issues should in many respects adjust both general military spending and their specifics in terms of the types and branches of the armed forces.

    Most importantly, how sovereign is the state in general, how independent its foreign and domestic policies are. We inherited a great legacy from a space and nuclear superpower, at the same time, since 1992, Russia has fallen into de facto dependence on the West, litmus - in fact, the external control of the Central Bank of Russia. First you need to figure it out.

    Also, "costs will increase", but for what, where "drank the dough", where is vital, and with this the question. Constitutional duty and contractual service, which should be a reasonable compromise, is also a topic.

    Last, it is already clear that Russia cannot be weak, otherwise it will not exist. With this, a strong country must have a strong army and navy, with high morale, and this is not just a monetary motivation, but an idea. Where is it now, in selected capitalism, with a society of consumers? An army with the most modern weapons, no morality, no idea, a bunch of selfish individuals, or lack of initiative temporary workers. Modern weapons need high morale.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 29 2021 09: 33
    -1
    Everything is correct. If you cannot with quantity, try with quality.
    And while "at Trump's request," they did not publish cartoons to intimidate the Senate and Congress, everything was fine with the amers. What for intimidating spirits in afghan to do hypersound?
    with f22 burned, remember.

    And the production of weapons to nowhere is an awesome business, and the fight against hidden unemployment, and with economic stagnation. There would be money ...
  • Freedim
    Freedim April 29 2021 10: 11
    0
    Long and medium-range missile technology, covered by powerful air defense and electronic warfare, plus aircraft and unmanned vehicles in the wings - this is the key to the success of defensive tactics. The very same Karabakh showed how vulnerable even armored troops are, not to mention motorized rifle and other ground troops unable to defend themselves from an air attack. Suddenly, even the surface fleet was completely "naked" in front of hypersound.
    So it is not entirely correct to compare the leaders' budgets. First of all, apart from the training ground in Syria, Russia does not really go anywhere. So the strategy is defensive, which already sets the loss to one in three (all other things being equal). Secondly, Russia builds and services (mainly) for rubles .. And this is one more to three or four (in terms of production costs). In the third, Russia does not have the wildest expenses for the maintenance of numerous foreign military bases. For the same America, the costs of supporting 11 AUG are simply prohibitive for any country that does not have a printing press. Fourthly - the quality and novelty of technology (it is still difficult to calculate something without statistics) .. but if you rely on the declared capabilities, the advantage is significant. From training, again, a lot depends ... on the military spirit. What is the use, for example, of the military expenditures of the Indians, if for half a century they have been "throwing kakakhami" across the border with Pakistan, with absolutely zero result? ..
    In general, the budget differs from the budget.
    1. Vadmir
      Vadmir April 29 2021 16: 22
      0
      Long and medium-range missile technology, covered by powerful air defense and electronic warfare, plus aircraft and unmanned vehicles in the wings - this is the key to the success of defensive tactics.
      You can fight only by defending yourself - you cannot win.
  • Desperado
    Desperado April 29 2021 10: 28
    +3
    In order to increase defense spending, you must first increase budget revenues. This can be done only by developing non-oil revenues. It is necessary to develop the country's economy and, first of all, industry, but now there is practically no support for the industrial sector.
    Watch the meeting of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation dated April 23.04.2021, XNUMX. The problems of the industry have not been solved for the second decade. Banks are not interested in lending.
    The Central Bank's policy is not aimed at supporting the domestic economy; it is much more profitable to invest in foreign securities.
    Question: Where do we get the money for the defense industry then? From medicine and education? View your 2020 budget expenditures. There, a penny is spent on these articles.
  • 1536
    1536 April 29 2021 10: 50
    +4
    Amazing thing information. If no one knows about her, it seems like this is not, peace and quiet, but God's grace. But one has only to learn something about something, oh, what begins here. And it’s good if the discussion among the people of military spending, for example, does not end with calls for conversion and negotiations in Reykjavik. Although, for this it is first necessary that the whole country be imbued with "new thinking" in the age of artificial intelligence, and this is hardly possible today.
    But seriously, the thoughts of "need-needlessness" of increasing military spending in the world today are visited, in my opinion, only by someone in Russia. The rest of the world is working according to its own plan, the tone is set by the United States and China. They have huge investments in military R&D here, and well-coordinated work of enterprises and concerns that produce military products or dual-use products. The results are evident. Today, the Chinese have launched the main unit with their space station. If someone thinks that the Chinese from space will study the migration of migratory birds, as well as help climbers in distress on Chomolungma, or play the role of a space taxi to meet the increased needs of Chinese and foreign millionaires for tourist flights to space, then this is Roscosmos, which information made it his main commodity.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 29 2021 12: 16
    -2
    Unfortunately, given the length of our borders, there is no reason to believe that military spending can be reduced by a factor of several, and that it will be useful. We can optimize certain points precisely and very accurately, and unify something in military construction (by analogy with the single Armata platform) and modular or container placement of any serial equipment. Due to these measures, it will be possible to carry out modernization on a larger scale and more efficiently while maintaining current costs. But this will not reduce the costs themselves - the released funds will be in demand in areas where an important update has been postponed for decades (the same fleet and naval aviation).

    We need a mobile defensive army and armed forces capable of providing medium-term local superiority over the hottest areas near and within our borders. Ideally, these are aircraft that provide medium-term local superiority in one region in parallel with maintaining a "high cost to overcome" in 1-2 minor ones.
    Given the size of our territory and the distance within it, the key task in the event of a war, in my opinion, in any case, will be to delay it while preserving our industrial and energy potential as much as possible. If the enemy, in terms of the degree of our preparatory actions and military development aimed at carrying out this task, understands the potential unpredictability of the timing of the end of the operation, funds, losses, he will refuse to carry it out against us.
    By "defensive construction" I mean that we should abandon the USSR's views on our certain "geopolitical role." Stop chasing this and focus on historically "our" region, historically "not ours" considering it as secondary and space for the delicate work of diplomats, trade, intelligence. The size of our economy in the foreseeable future does not allow us to play a really significant role in the world so, so that it would be beneficial for US at the same time.
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  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO April 29 2021 14: 07
    -1
    Quote: Boris55
    For this you are ready to destroy all of Russia and all the citizens living in it

    Specifically, he is ready. And a bunch of locals sang along.
    True, he does not understand that I will roll him into the asphalt as soon as the need for him and those like him disappears.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti April 29 2021 15: 24
    -1
    Does the Russian Federation have money for this? After all, expenses are growing every year, especially difficult 2020 came out and it is not clear whether there is still money left for a rainy day or not, but here you are talking about an increase in the military budget. If the Russian Federation had money, it would increase. Although, we already have a huge one, considering the Russian Guard and other power structures, half of the budget goes away.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 29 2021 21: 50
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      The NWF now has 13.5 trillion rubles, and almost 590 billion dollars in gold reserves spent 2020 billion rubles from the budget in 670 to fight the pandemic. "If the Russian Federation had money, it would increase." They are there, but no one will increase the defense industry expenditures as the current budgetary amounts are enough.
  • Vadmir
    Vadmir April 29 2021 15: 57
    +1
    Russia does not buy weapons on the side, but produces it itself, so the increase in spending on armaments is good for it - it is an increase in the number of jobs, an increase in industrial production, and hence an increase in tax revenues. The military-industrial complex is a tug capable of pulling the Russian economy with it.
    Someone will say that an extra dozen tanks is a kindergarten or a clinic not built tomorrow, and they will be absolutely right, but due to the revitalization of the economy as a whole, this extra dozen tanks will make it possible to build two kindergartens or clinics the day after tomorrow.
    In the United States, for example, an increase in defense spending is always an increase in the country's GDP and the welfare of Americans. The slogan: "Oil instead of guns" was invented by liberal pacifists who do not understand how the economy works.
    The whole world is arming itself, do not find that in such conditions, to reduce defense spending is a crime.
    The army today is "a huge ulcer on the stomach of the state."
    What nonsense, the army is what allows the State to exist, there will be no army, there will be no State.
    He who does not want to feed his army will feed a stranger.
    1. Desperado
      Desperado April 29 2021 16: 36
      +1
      Quote: Vadmir
      Russia does not buy weapons on the side, but produces it itself, so the increase in spending on armaments is good for it - it is an increase in the number of jobs, an increase in industrial production, and hence an increase in tax revenues. The military-industrial complex is a tug capable of pulling the Russian economy with it.

      The volume of sales of military equipment abroad in 2020 amounted to 13 billion dollars, this is against the background of the country's budget of a penny. Moreover, one must understand that the profit from this volume is small, since the overhead costs are quite large.

      Quote: Vadmir
      Someone will say that an extra dozen tanks is a kindergarten or a clinic not built tomorrow, and they will be absolutely right, but due to the revitalization of the economy as a whole, this extra dozen tanks will make it possible to build two kindergartens or clinics the day after tomorrow.


      This is exactly what I will say, a kindergarten and a clinic are more important than an extra ten tanks. As for the revitalization of the economy pzhl link to the studio, while I see only the opposite. First of all, it is necessary not to increase the military budget, but to spend it more rationally.
      1. Vadmir
        Vadmir April 29 2021 17: 46
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        The volume of sales of military equipment abroad in 2020 amounted to 13 billion dollars, this is against the background of the country's budget of a penny.
        And I'm not talking about these kopecks, I'm talking about the weapons purchased for Russia itself. Which creates new jobs for Russian citizens, gives profit to Russian factories, and each plant pulls a large number of other enterprises - suppliers, also, by the way, Russian.
        As for the revitalization of the economy pzhl link to the studio, while I see only the opposite.
        Have you been banned from Google? If not, just enter in the search box the phrase: "The impact of the military-industrial complex on the economy." There is a lot of information, I see no reason to read a lecture on economics in the comments.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 29 2021 21: 52
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        Wow, a penny - 975 billion rubles for comparison, the entire budget of Russia is 20 trillion.
    2. fa2998
      fa2998 April 29 2021 16: 43
      0
      What does "tax increase" mean? After all, it is financed from the budget, at the expense of taxes, it means that less will return based on the tax rate! And also, "the military-industrial complex is a tug." .But for some reason the citizens of the USSR wandered around the comission in search of foreign technology. Panasonik, Sony, and so on. The tug is bad. hi
      1. Vadmir
        Vadmir April 29 2021 17: 33
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        "The military-industrial complex is a tug."
        The USSR was the second economy in the world. So the tug is good. And the fact that consumer goods were of low quality was due to the fact that they relied on the communist doctrine, in which "quantity must turn into quality." Didn't pass.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 April 29 2021 17: 04
    +1
    Quote: Vadmir
    Of course, this ascioma is good, but those who spend more on defense, they earn more (USA, CHINA). Equal with them, you can drive the horse!
    Do you see a direct link between spending on defense and economic growth? And the brand is weak precisely because they killed their own industry and began to buy everything abroad, thereby raising other people's economies and weakening their own.
    The military-industrial complex is the only industry that has substituted import and buying weapons we raise our own economy, and not others'. More orders for weapons, more jobs, stronger industry, higher GDP, higher tax revenues, and therefore more money for civil projects.


    Something you have an inverted economy. More jobs (financing from the pockets of taxpayers) -exactly 13% will return-out of a million 130 thousand - means "MORE MONEY FOR CIVIL PROJECTS ???" The product must be sold, not to oneself, but to the population either export. And weapons are used for their intended purpose and will be written off. The industrial complex is not an economy. We need enterprises that must produce a sea of ​​products, except for weapons. Look at South Korea. Dave-and military ships, and civilian ships, cars and lawn mowers (worked today). This is PROFIT AND TAXES. hi
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    1. Vadmir
      Vadmir April 29 2021 17: 27
      -1
      Something you have an inverted economy. More jobs (financing from the pockets of taxpayers) - exactly 13% will return - out of a million 130 thousand - this means
      Doesn't the plant pay taxes? And the plant that makes a profit is not Russian? And where will the workers spend their wages, isn't it in Russia? And the shops in which workers spend their money do not pay taxes? And the stores will not buy additional goods, given the increase in demand? And from whom will they order, whether from Russian enterprises and farmers? And those, in turn, pay taxes?
      We need enterprises that must produce a sea of ​​products, except for weapons
      And no one argues with this, only they destroyed these enterprises in the nineties, instead of them shopping centers and offices stand, and the military-industrial complex is more or less alive.
      1. Desperado
        Desperado April 29 2021 17: 53
        +1
        Let's estimate what the workers in the stores will spend this money on? Consumer electronics are foreign, the market for retailers of 3ka products: these are Germany (Metro Cash & carry), Auchan (France) and X5Retail (sort of like ours, but navryatli they invest their profits in our economy), I think the auto industry is understandable. Those. most of this money will go to the West. The same Russian enterprises and farmers buy equipment and feed abroad. What kind of support for the economy are we talking about? Capital outflows are huge ...
        1. Vadmir
          Vadmir April 29 2021 18: 07
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          Those. most of this money will go to the West.
          Unfortunately, you are right, they will go away. But firstly, not only to the West, they will also receive something for their own, and secondly, they will not leave immediately, but through a bunch of Russian companies that will earn on this and pay salaries to their employees, as well as pay taxes in Russia, again Western goods are subject to customs duties, which replenish the budget. So, there is a positive effect on our economy.
          I, just like you, support the development of our entire industry, not just the military-industrial complex, but this article discusses precisely the military-industrial complex and military spending. And the military-industrial complex can pull the entire economy with it, and the rest of the industry does not exist due to its actual absence.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti April 29 2021 19: 39
    -3
    Quote: stock buildbat
    Yeah. There are more students. They are simply for any riot except a hunger strike, but there are no brains. So some idiots crawled out, over whom then fellow students sneered, they say, "the number of nerds in the city has been clarified according to the data of yesterday's rally"

    Hahahah, classmates sneered, it is immediately clear that you are far from the students. Here they rather mock those who are drowning for Putin.
  • AntiAleks
    AntiAleks April 29 2021 21: 03
    0
    "... So, the EU economy is falling" - what nonsense!
  • PROVINCIAL
    PROVINCIAL April 30 2021 02: 05
    0
    Comparison of military budgets in dollars is incorrect. PPP (purchasing power parity) should be taken into account. As an example: on 16.04.2021/1570/1055, the export price from America is 45000 $ / t - cold rolled steel coils. In Russia for export 74 $ / t - cold rolled steel coiled. Domestic prices for the same metal are XNUMX rubles / ton. The dollar exchange rate is XNUMX rubles. I think there are specialists on this site who know the internal price of this metal in the United States. And readers who can really analyze the real spending of different countries on defense. Don't thank.
  • kreck
    kreck April 30 2021 02: 29
    +1
    Before spending big money on defense, you need to create a life for people that would be worth protecting.
    Carl Gustav Mannerheim
  • abrakadabre
    abrakadabre April 30 2021 10: 45
    0
    The army today is "a huge ulcer on the stomach of the state." Can this ulcer be cured? Is it possible for a world power to have an ordinary, not outstanding army?
    No you can not. Who thinks what is possible, a complete idealist. As long as a socio-economic formation based on competition and the absolute of private interest reigns on Earth, wars are inevitable and regular.
  • Protos
    Protos April 30 2021 12: 41
    +1
    Quote: Stas157
    In Russia, they have already been increased. Power spends with a great advantage on itself and on its support - the power block. By all accounts, Russia is a police state

    Oh, let's go training manuals laughing
    Russia is the most democratic country in the world, you simply did not live in the USA and Europe.
    And compared to your neo-Nazi Ukraine, we are the height of tolerance hi
  • Protos
    Protos April 30 2021 12: 52
    +1
    Quote: kreck
    Before spending big money on defense, you need to create a life for people that would be worth protecting.
    Carl Gustav Mannerheim


    This is this Mannerheim you are quoting ?! Your typical authorities lol
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 5 May 2021 11: 46
      -1
      Quote: Protos
      This is this Mannerheim you are quoting

      And what is it about the fact that Mannerheim was in contact with Hitler? Does it somehow affect its performance? Among other things, he was part of a faction that sought to limit cooperation with Germany. And, if you look at defense spending, Mannerheim acted this way - by severely limiting spending and making it as practical as possible. In fact, he did a lot with the Finnish military budget.
      It is still worthwhile to separate the clichés and historical facts, otherwise the discussion with the use of superficial hysteria is meaningless.
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 30 2021 21: 57
    0
    What to do? Well, on strike weapons: anti-tank systems with optics on a wire, kamikaze drones and Hermes .. + massive UAVs
  • yehat2
    yehat2 5 May 2021 11: 41
    -1
    Quote: author
    Have you noticed that the Saudis have disappeared from the five?

    Saudi Arabia faced a collapse in the global economy and lost some of its income, in addition, they had a number of financial scandals and, as a result, programs for investing in important infrastructure projects were disastrously affected. In addition, the conflict with the Houthis showed that weapons do not solve everything. As a result, Saudi Arabia temporarily severely limited military spending and this is not an accidental loss for a year, but at least several years.

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  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 May 2021 09: 04
    0
    It is also necessary, probably, to take into account purchasing power parity (PPP) in order to get a correct idea of ​​the level of military spending in different countries. And the structure of defense spending. Some part of military expenditures in some countries is spent as part of other expenditures.