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SM-6 against hypersound: possible prospects for the development of US missile defense

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Launch of a rocket complex "Avangard". In the United States, this system is considered a security threat


Leading countries are currently developing promising hypersonic weapons, and are also working on issues of protection against such threats. Right now, a new proposal is being discussed in the United States, providing for the modernization of the existing SM-6 anti-aircraft missile for new needs. The implementation of such a project will allow, in the shortest possible time, to strengthen air defense / missile defense against new threats.

Perspective development


According to the current plans of the Missile Defense Agency, new means of protection against hypersonic threats should be created and put on duty in the medium term. More exact dates cannot yet be named, but in some estimates, at least the second half of the twenties appears.

Right now, various options for the concepts and technical appearance of the new missile defense element are being worked out. For this purpose, new research programs of various kinds are being opened, aimed at solving various problems. It is expected that in the near future they will help to form a common understanding of the main issues, as well as create a technological basis for subsequent work.


Rocket design SM-6 / RIM-174

Until recently, the ABM Agency, together with various contractors, carried out the Regional Glide Phase Weapon System (RGPWS) program. Its purpose was to work out solutions for expanding the functions of the maritime component of the strategic missile defense. Based on the results of the work performed, it was decided to curtail this project and use the accumulated experience in the new Glide Phase Interceptor (GPI) program.

In mid-April, it became known that the development of the GPI can use not only existing experience, but also available products. So, the Agency plans to test the serial anti-aircraft missile SM-6 and determine its ability to intercept hypersonic targets. Upon receipt of positive results, the rocket can be modified.

A few days ago it became known that the proposal for the SM-6 will not be the only one in the new program. The ABM Agency has opened the reception of technical proposals, which will then be considered and selected the most successful. Based on the results of work with proposals and applications, further ways of developing the GPI project should be determined.

Anti-hypersonic anti-missile


Interestingly, the RIM-174 Standard Missile 6 (SM-6) anti-aircraft missile is not the first time mentioned in the context of the fight against hypersonic complexes of a potential enemy. At the same time, her exact fate in this area is still unknown and uncertain. Perhaps the situation will become clearer in the near future.


The launch of the SM-6 rocket by the destroyer USS John Paul Jones (DDG-53), June 19, 2014

Last spring, the director of the ABM Agency, John Hill, said that the RGPWS missile system could be integrated with the existing Mk 41 universal launcher deployed on ships or on land facilities. This imposes some restrictions on the dimensions of the interceptor missile, but gives great operational advantages. Now, a number of missile weapons are used on the Mk 41 installations, incl. SM-6 products.

Shortly thereafter, Deputy Secretary of Defense for Research and Development Michael Griffin revealed some details of the current work. By that time, specialists had studied the available possibilities and finished products, incl. missile SM-6. There was a proposal to test such weapons in a "hypersonic" role. Such tests were assigned to 2023.

In mid-April 2021, Deputy Minister of Development Barbara McQuiston spoke to the Senate Appropriations Committee on the outlook for the various directions. It is reported that recently the Navy and the ABM Agency have jointly demonstrated the possibility of using the SM-6 missile against an "advanced maneuvering threat". When such a demonstration took place and what it looked like, it is not specified.


In addition, the deputy minister mentioned that a new similar demonstration will take place by the end of this year. Then the work will continue, and by 2024, on the basis of the SM-6, it is planned to create a full-fledged combat-ready anti-missile to intercept hypersonic targets.

Current opportunities


Anti-aircraft guided missile SM-6 or RIM-174 Extended Range Active Missile (ERAM) was developed by Raytheon and entered service with the US Navy in 2013. Subsequently, such weapons were sold to several friendly countries.

The SM-6 is a two-stage solid fuel engine product. The rocket length reaches 6,6 m with a maximum diameter of approx. 530 mm. The launch weight is 1500 kg, of which 64 kg falls on the fragmentation warhead. The missile is equipped with an inertial navigation system and an active / passive radar homing head. In flight, the SM-6 develops a speed of approx. 3,5M. The firing range of the first serial modification of Block 1A was announced at 240 km. In the course of further modernization, it was possible to almost double it. Height reach - 34 km.


The rocket launches in a "hot" way

The missile is delivered in a transport and launch container loaded into the Mk 41 universal installation. This allows the SM-6 to be used on ships of various projects, both American and foreign. So, as part of the US Navy, the RIM-174 ERAM missiles are carried by the Ticonderoga project cruisers and the Arleigh Burke destroyers. Also, the Mk 41 is used as part of the stationary ground complex Aegis Ashore.

Initially, the SM-6 was an anti-aircraft missile for hitting aerodynamic targets at a great distance from the carrier ship. In the course of the next modernization, the seeker was improved, thanks to which the rocket was able to destroy ballistic targets on the downward trajectory. During the tests, the SM-6's ability to hit medium-range missiles was repeatedly shown, incl. in a difficult jamming environment.

Work was underway to integrate anti-ship capabilities. Since 2020, modernization has been carried out, designed to turn an anti-aircraft missile into a means for striking ground targets. This version of RIM-174 in 2023 will have to complement the existing Tomahawk missiles.


Efficiency and economy


The Pentagon and the ABM Agency have yet to fully assess the prospects for the SM-6 in its new role. However, it is already clear why the concept of using such a missile in a "hypersonic" missile defense appeared and for what reasons it received support. It can be assumed that such a project should have advantages of both technical and economic nature.

During the tests, the SM-6 rocket showed and confirmed high flight characteristics. Control systems and seeker systems make it possible to effectively solve the problem of intercepting maneuvering aerodynamic targets and high-speed ballistic objects with a predictable trajectory. The issues of adapting the GOS for purposes of a different kind are being addressed.

Thus, the RIM-174 / SM-6 missile actually turns out to be not just an anti-aircraft weapon, but a multipurpose platform suitable for solving various tasks. High energy performance in combination with advanced control and guidance facilities can make it an interceptor for maneuvering hypersonic targets. At the same time, it will be possible to do without the development of a number of key components, which are characterized by complexity and high cost.


Test launch of SM-6 from USS John Finn (DDG-113), April 25, 2021

However, so far we are talking only about theoretical possibilities. The Pentagon plans to conduct tests and assess their potential in terms of implementation, implementation and practical application. Evaluation tests have already started, and by the end of the year another test launch of a rocket with a non-standard program is to take place.

It is not known how and how the already started activities will end. At the same time, the further course of the current programs in the field of air defense and missile defense will depend on their results. If the SM-6 confirms its fundamental ability to deal with a "developed maneuvering threat", then the development of its new modification will be launched. This will take several years, and by the end of the decade, American ships will receive new capabilities in the context of missile defense.

Otherwise, the Pentagon and other organizations will have to seek and work out new solutions. And such processes are likely to continue until the emergence of a new missile defense system capable of fighting the hypersonic systems of a potential enemy. Obviously, the United States will not abandon this direction and achieve the desired results - but it is not yet known whether it will be possible to do this with the help of a new modification of the SM-6 or at the expense of other weapons.
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  1. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik April 28 2021 18: 24
    +7
    The SM-6 will be the most versatile missile in the military.
    Shock and air defense / missile defense for ships;
    Shock hypersonic for ships;
    Shock hypersonic for land, sea stationary and mobile targets for the Army and the ILC;
    Possible armament of submarines with shock and / or air defense / missile defense version;
    Armament of fighters and bombers with a shock and / or air defense / missile defense version is possible;
    It is possible to adapt the "naval" version of air defense / missile defense for the Army.

    The other day there were exercises in which SM-6 hit the barge in the most difficult conditions, out of the "line of sight" of the ship from which it was launched. Control center with UAV or unmanned ship.


    The teachings themselves are very interesting. The interaction of corbels, aviation, UAVs, unmanned submarines and surface ships was worked out. The list of participants is impressive.


    1. Tonev
      Tonev April 28 2021 18: 51
      -7
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      The other day there were exercises in which SM-6 hit the barge in the most difficult conditions, out of the "line of sight" of the ship from which it was launched. Control center with UAV or unmanned ship.

      What is the EPR target? The rest is water.
      1. Tonev
        Tonev April 28 2021 18: 56
        -1
        What is the target hitting range?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik April 28 2021 18: 59
          -1
          ABOUT! Dred / PPSh / Ali had to wait a long time for you laughing
        2. Dmitry Izmalkov
          Dmitry Izmalkov April 28 2021 19: 51
          -2
          For the new version ± are similar to our 40n6e
        3. Yuri V.A
          Yuri V.A April 29 2021 05: 23
          0
          They say the distance is 250 miles, and most importantly, the shooting ship did not glow with stations. But the question remains - at what height did the SM-6 go to the goal?
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik April 29 2021 08: 11
            -1
            Quote: Yuri V.A
            But the question remains - at what height did the SM-6 go to the goal?

            She flew high. Above 30 km, there is no other way. It is necessary to go to the most discharged layers of the atmosphere.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 28 2021 20: 16
      +5
      The disadvantage of the SM-6 as an anti-ship missile is a small warhead.
      She must hit an important vulnerable part of the ship.
      (radar tower, wheelhouse) to disable it.
      But the SM-6 will not be able to sink the ship.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik April 28 2021 20: 27
        0
        There, warheads play no role at all. About 500 kg of metal and composites that crash into the ship at a speed of 2-3M will themselves cause critical damage.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 April 28 2021 22: 20
        0
        But the SM-6 will not be able to sink the ship.

        Sheffield would disagree with you.
        His Exocet didn't explode at all. hi
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        2. Bormanxnumx
          Bormanxnumx April 29 2021 15: 43
          0
          But Glamorgan agrees - and Exocet worked normally and the subsequent explosion of the helicopter in the hangar did not cause fatal damage.
      3. Kalmar
        Kalmar April 29 2021 09: 12
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The disadvantage of the SM-6 as an anti-ship missile is a small warhead.
        She must hit an important vulnerable part of the ship.
        (radar tower, wheelhouse) to disable it.
        But the SM-6 will not be able to sink the ship.

        Before her, such a goal - the complete destruction of the ship - may not stand. For example, two or three hits of the SM-6 disable the ship's radar, drastically reducing the capabilities of its air defense, and then anti-ship Tomahawks fly up and finish the job.

        Then, there is strife between the ship and the ship: any "mosquito" like our "Karakurt" or the Chinese 056, even such a warhead can be enough for a temporary loss of combat effectiveness.
        1. Tonev
          Tonev April 29 2021 13: 17
          -2
          Quote: Kalmar
          I read that such long-range missiles are usually not used against fighters: at maximum range, when there is almost no fuel left, the missile has too little maneuverability to hit a nimble target. Their main purpose is to fight something more clumsy: bombers, AWACS aircraft, etc.

          The R-37M long-range air-to-air missile has several ARGSN operating modes.
          It has a maximum energy and speed of 6M in the final phase of the flight. During tests, it hit an airborne guided target at a distance of 308 km. The R-37M has an open data overload capacity of 22g, which is sufficient for manned targets based on open seal materials for guided air targets with an overload capacity of 10g, the pilot can no longer withstand. The R-37M can easily engage all types of guided air targets. I wrote about this below.
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar April 29 2021 13: 23
            +3
            Quote: Tonev
            It has a maximum energy and speed of 6M in the final flight segment ... R-37M has an overload capacity according to open data of 22g

            Can I have a reference? I found it like this: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4155666.html. An overload of up to 8g is noted here. Well, in the final section, the rocket cannot have maximum energy, because the engine has already used up its fuel. Most likely, we are talking about the final stage of the cruising section, while the engine is still running. Further, the rocket flies by inertia.
            1. Tonev
              Tonev April 29 2021 15: 08
              -3
              Quote: Kalmar
              Can I have a reference? I found it like this: https://bmpd.l vejournal.com/4155666.html. An overload of up to 8g is noted here.

              About 8g - overloading targets - this is an Internet fake by Evgeny Damantsev, who wrote about the overloading of 7-9g targets for a long time, and many respected publications, but vejournal, reprinted, indicating incorrect data - the average value of its expression. For you, I indicated the overload capacity of the rocket, not the target, which confirms the value of 10g.
              Why, not vejournal. At one time, this Ukrainian edition wrote a lot of lies about Pantsir-C1.
    3. lucul
      lucul April 29 2021 00: 18
      -5
      The SM-6 will be the most versatile missile in the military.

      For a full-fledged air defense missile, it lacks this
      Control systems and homing systems make it possible to effectively solve the problem of intercepting maneuvering aerodynamic targets and high-speed ballistic objects with a predictable trajectory.

      That is, an unpredictable flight path of the rocket is enough for the SM-6 to fail.
      This is the cornerstone of the difference between the air defense of the West and Russia.
      1. Yuri V.A
        Yuri V.A April 29 2021 03: 06
        +3
        How unpredictable will this trajectory be on the cruising phase, especially under the control of flying radars?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx April 29 2021 03: 33
          -5
          In addition, the deputy minister mentioned that a new similar demonstration will take place by the end of this year. Then the work will continue, and by 2024, on the basis of the SM-6, it is planned to create a full-fledged combat-ready anti-missile to intercept hypersonic targets.

          Blah blah blah...
          Bragging is disgusting in any form and is ridiculous.
          Not so long ago, we already got acquainted with stealth aircraft, which can be seen by Russian air defense systems ... Then we were shown a combat laser capable of giving a "light" to detached targets on a free-standing raft ... We saw both a railgun and various Zumwalts. .. Even earlier we knew the plans for "Star Wars" and the exploration of the Moon with the help of whatnot ...
          And now, not having a ready-made hypersonic weapon, the United States is demonstrating an anti-missile ... Ah, let's believe them: they will not always lie ...
          1. max702
            max702 April 29 2021 09: 45
            -1
            Everything is simple here ..
  2. Dmitry Izmalkov
    Dmitry Izmalkov April 28 2021 19: 48
    -3
    It would be nice for an American to create an ultra-long-range missile on the basis of the Sm-6, like our R-37M. As far as I know, such work has already been carried out, namely, it was suspended on the F / A-18, but without an accelerating stage
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 28 2021 20: 34
      0
      What for? Super Hornet maximum 2 SM-6 will raise + PTB, that's all. In this case, the maneuverability will be like an iron. It is more efficient to fly 200-300 closer and launch AIM-120.
      In general, long-range B-B missiles have a controversial effectiveness. The same R-37M will shoot down a maximum of Avaks without an escort.
      1. Dmitry Izmalkov
        Dmitry Izmalkov April 28 2021 20: 39
        -1
        Even 2 is no longer bad, but if we take the F-15EX, then all 4. As for maneuverability, then with new missiles it is not much needed, but about AWACS, then again, improving guidance systems
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik April 28 2021 20: 47
          -1
          Today news spread that the US had been allocated money for the creation of an interceptor. I think it will be the SR-72 hypersonic UAV. It makes sense to arm him with the SM-6 modification. And for combat fighters it makes no sense. I will say more, in combat conditions, a long-range B-B missile has not yet shot down a fighter.
          1. Illanatol
            Illanatol April 29 2021 14: 11
            +2
            I will say more, in combat conditions, a long-range B-B missile has not yet shot down a fighter.


            There have been cases. F-14 was shot down by Libyan MiGs.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik April 29 2021 14: 21
              -1
              This happened at small to medium distances. The experience of these battles was one of the reasons for abandoning the AIM-54. In real conditions, it had no advantages over the AIM-120, with a weight difference of almost 3 times.
          2. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik April 30 2021 00: 29
            -3
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Today news has passed that the US has been allocated money for the creation of an interceptor. I think it will be the SR-72 hypersonic UAV.

            Invalid information. These will be anti-missiles.
      2. Dmitry Izmalkov
        Dmitry Izmalkov April 28 2021 20: 40
        0
        And how are you going to launch Aim200 at a distance of 300-120 km, if the range is 180 km cross
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik April 28 2021 20: 49
          -3
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          More efficient fly 200-300 closer and launch the AIM-120.

          Fighter fly up.
          1. Tonev
            Tonev April 28 2021 21: 41
            -9
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            It is more efficient to fly 200-300 closer and launch AIM-120.

            Can you fly up? Russian radars: on the Su-57, Su-35 better than the American ones, it will not work imperceptibly.
            1. Dmitry Izmalkov
              Dmitry Izmalkov April 28 2021 22: 11
              +2
              Why better?
              1. Tonev
                Tonev April 28 2021 22: 34
                -4
                Quote: Dmitry Izmalkov
                Why better?

                Russian aviation radars have a greater detection range. Long-range R-37M missiles will be discovered and launched earlier at a greater distance than the US Air Force can do. Even the stealth of their planes does not help.
                1. TARS_117
                  TARS_117 April 29 2021 02: 13
                  +1
                  Can you throw off the link to the veracity of your words? Or will you quietly merge and send me myself to look for evidence of your urapatriotic lies?
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 29 2021 08: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: TARS_117
                    Or will you quietly merge and send me myself to look for evidence of your urapatriotic lies?

                    In fact, it is impossible to deduce the ratio of the capabilities of the radar of our and US fighters. The United States does not disclose the performance characteristics of its radars, this is a military secret. What is on the network on the radar F-22, F-35 - these are expert opinions taken from the ceiling
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                    1. TARS_117
                      TARS_117 April 29 2021 16: 18
                      -1
                      One is not a modest question, but the target with which EPR is detected at such a distance? I hope it's clear where I'm getting at?
                      1. Tonev
                        Tonev April 29 2021 21: 38
                        -3
                        Quote: TARS_117
                        One is not a modest question, but the target with which EPR is detected at such a distance? I hope it's clear where I'm getting at?

                        AN / APG-77 (F-22).Frequency range: 8-12 GHz (X-band).
                        Detection range of air targets with EPR
                      2. Tonev
                        Tonev April 29 2021 22: 08
                        -2
                        Sorry, there was a problem.
                  3. onstar9
                    onstar9 23 July 2021 02: 02
                    0
                    Quote: Tonev
                    Can you throw off the link to the veracity of your words? Or will you quietly merge and send me myself to look for evidence of your urapatriotic lies?

                    https://docviewer.yandex.ru/view/1416428094/?*=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%3D%3D&lang=ru
                    Pay attention to the detection range in the front hemisphere.

                    Well, there all the characteristics of the radar are given at their own discretion. These are estimated figures rather than actual ones. Like a tank "Armata" ... There are so many functionalities that if they really are, then in the West they will not be achieved even in ten years. And where is this Armata with its "superpowers"? These are all speculative characteristics. And how clear and precise they are is unclear. Stealth planes also seem to be detected at any distance, only it is impossible to determine what it is ...
              2. Kalmar
                Kalmar April 29 2021 09: 15
                +1
                Quote: Tonev
                They will detect and launch long-range R-37M missiles earlier at a greater distance than the US Air Force can do.

                I read that such long-range missiles are usually not used against fighters: at maximum range, when there is almost no fuel left, the missile has too little maneuverability to hit a nimble target. Their main purpose is to fight something more clumsy: bombers, AWACS aircraft, etc.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 29 2021 09: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: Kalmar
                  I read that such long-range missiles are usually not used against fighters

                  And there is. As a matter of fact, the problem is also that such a missile must be "guided" up to the capture distance of the AGSN, or until the target is hit, if the GOS is semi-active. And at a long distance, the radar of a fighter is hard to do - the enemy will interfere
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik April 29 2021 09: 41
                  -1
                  In order to fly far and fast, the rocket should, after launch, make a candle and go into the upper atmosphere, while the rocket itself and the plane “glow” like a New Year tree at night, in the Kazakh steppe.
                  It is enough for the fighter to move to the side so that the missile seeker would lose it, the missile's flight needs to be adjusted, what its fuel is spent on, the speed drops. Whether E-3 or B-52 can do this is an open question.
                  What does the fighter from which the rocket was launched? Flies straight, highlights the target, transmits data to the rocket. Those. the glowing tree is still starting to burn. It is not difficult to guess what the comrades of the fighter at which they launched the long-range V-B missile are doing at this moment.
                  And then there is electronic warfare. Which on E-3 and B-52 is highly developed. At such ranges, the fighter's radar and missile are very sensitive to it. Which compensates for the low speed.
                  Thus, a long-range V-V missile cannot confidently fight fighters, cannot work in the electronic warfare zone, and very much substitutes its carrier. The question arises, why is it needed?
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                  2. Tonev
                    Tonev April 29 2021 15: 48
                    -3
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    In order to fly far and fast, the rocket should, after launch, make a candle and go into the upper atmosphere, while the rocket itself and the plane “glow” like a New Year tree at night, in the Kazakh steppe.

                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Thus, a long-range V-V missile cannot confidently fight fighters, cannot work in the electronic warfare zone, and very much substitutes its carrier. The question arises, why is it needed?

                    The R-37M air-to-air missile is not sensitive to radio interference and confidently strikes all types of fighters. R-37M has a small EPR and does not shine like a Christmas tree on radar screens.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik April 29 2021 15: 59
                      -3
                      Yes Yes Yes. In your fantasy world it is. When suddenly the laws of physics begin to stop acting on Russian weapons. But this rocket has 0 victories, no one in the world needs it, its own Ministry of Defense does not really order it. A highly specialized missile for narrow targets. She can fight fighters only in your fantasies and your fantasy sources.


                      Tonev / Dred / PPSh / Ali what account do you already have here? Where is your pride? How long can you write the same thing? And be driven by rags from here?
                    2. Tonev
                      Tonev April 29 2021 22: 22
                      -2
                      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                      Yes Yes Yes. In your fantasy world it is. When suddenly the laws of physics begin to stop acting on Russian weapons. But this rocket has 0 victories, no one in the world needs it, its own Ministry of Defense does not really order it. A highly specialized missile for narrow targets. She can fight fighters only in your fantasies and your fantasy sources.

                      Do you know the laws of Physics? Do not make me laugh. Only one thing, your expression below, speaks of your complete ignorance and narrow-mindedness:
                      Quote: OgnennyiKotik Topic: Sea warfare for beginners. Sea battle
                      Quote: Nestor Vlahovski

                      It all depends on the wavelength, from which this radio horizon will change / move away.

                      Let me tell you a secret, the theoretical range of the radio horizon depends only on the antenna height, nothing else. Formula: D = 4.12 √H, where H is the antenna height.

                      You do not know the Physics of the Radio Horizon at all, but you are trying to teach the Opponent, who is much smarter than you. The radio horizon is wavelength dependent. That's how? Learn Physics.
                    3. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik April 30 2021 00: 48
                      0
                      So you've been here even longer? Previously, under a SETSET account? laughing Well you and stoned laughing
                      Tonev / Dred / PPSh / Ali / SETSET what else for the collection? laughing
              3. onstar9
                onstar9 23 July 2021 02: 05
                0
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                In order to fly far and fast, the rocket should, after launch, make a candle and go into the upper atmosphere, while the rocket itself and the plane “glow” like a New Year tree at night, in the Kazakh steppe.

                And why then does Russia need hypersonic missiles, if they and the planes that released them "shine like a tree"?
            2. Tonev
              Tonev April 29 2021 13: 21
              -1
              Quote: Kalmar
              I read that such long-range missiles are usually not used against fighters: at maximum range, when there is almost no fuel left, the missile has too little maneuverability to hit a nimble target. Their main purpose is to fight something more clumsy: bombers, AWACS aircraft, etc.

              The R-37M long-range air-to-air missile has several ARGSN operating modes.
              It has a maximum energy and speed of 6M in the final phase of the flight. During tests, it hit an airborne guided target at a distance of 308 km. The R-37M has an open data overload capacity of 22g, which is sufficient for manned targets, based on the materials of an open seal, controlled air targets with an overload capacity of 10g, the pilot can no longer withstand. The R-37M can easily destroy all types of manned air targets. I wrote about this below.
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 24 June 2021 14: 30
                0
                Quote: Tonev
                R-37M has an open data overload capacity of 22g

                something I strongly doubt this statement.
      3. TARS_117
        TARS_117 April 29 2021 02: 11
        0
        Did they decide so themselves or did they say so on TV from VO?
  • Tonev
    Tonev April 28 2021 22: 22
    -3
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    The same R-37M will shoot down a maximum of Avaks without an escort.

    “R-37M is designed to destroy air targets (fighters, attack aircraft, bombers, military transport aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles), at any time of the day, at all angles, in conditions of electronic countermeasures, against the background of the earth and water surface, in including with multichannel shelling on the principle of "let it in, forget it." In the West, the product was designated AA-X-13 Arrow (Arrow), ”Makienko said.

    So it will be correct.
  • yfast
    yfast April 28 2021 20: 52
    +3
    The speed of 1.2 km / s is low even for anti-aircraft missiles, what kind of hyper there is.
    1. Aleksandr97
      Aleksandr97 April 28 2021 21: 52
      +1
      Russian anti-missile 53T6 (missile defense system A-135) speed up to 5 km / s
      S-300 missiles 5V55K speed up to 2,0 km / s
      S-400 missiles 48N6E3 / 48N6-2 / 48N6DM speed up to 2,5 km / s
      SAM BUK 9M317 speed up to 1,5 km / s
      SAM TOR SAM 9M330 speed up to 0,8 km / s
      1. Dmitry Izmalkov
        Dmitry Izmalkov April 28 2021 22: 12
        +1
        And the 40n6e rocket, the analogue of which is the SM-6 and Is about the same and flies
      2. onstar9
        onstar9 23 July 2021 02: 18
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        Quote: Aleksandr97
        Russian anti-missile 53T6 (missile defense system A-135) speed up to 5 km / s

        The motors only run for 4 seconds. How much can you do with such a rocket?
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 28 2021 22: 17
      -2
      You wrote the parameters for the SM-6 Block IA, the SM-6 Block IB has a booster from SM-3, it has a hypersonic speed, i.e. minimum 1,6 km / s, the SM-3 is much higher.

      SM-3 Block IA - 3-3,5 km / s
      SM-3 Block IIА - 4.3-5,6 km / s
      1. Newone
        Newone April 29 2021 22: 01
        +1
        Could you indicate the source of the missile speed data?
  • Charik
    Charik April 28 2021 23: 14
    +2
    Launch of a rocket complex "Avangard". In the United States, this system is considered a threat to security, and there you wanted to sit out in safety, stirring up troubles on the vegetable planet for you.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov April 29 2021 10: 49
    +1
    Initially, the SM-6 was an anti-aircraft missile for hitting aerodynamic targets at a great distance from the carrier ship. In the course of the next modernization, the seeker was improved, thanks to which the rocket was able to destroy ballistic targets on the downward trajectory.

    If the interception occurs in the atmosphere on the descending segment, then the ICh homing at high speed of the interceptor cannot be used.
    It is necessary to use either the radar and the HE of the warhead, like the Patriot, with the efficiency known to all, or reduce the speed of the interceptor, which also does not improve the efficiency.
    Let's see what they can do, but if you need to spend 4-5 interceptors for 90% efficiency of interception, then the benefit will only be for nailed developers.
    In addition, what would be the use of intercepting a cluster warhead in the descending sector after separating the submunitions?
    1. agond
      agond 6 May 2021 09: 40
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      It is wrong to believe that the rocket is not capable of maneuvers with high overloads in the final section of the trajectory (due to the production of a large share of fuel), since at the end of the path it has become much lighter and much less fuel is required for energetic maneuvers.
  • Outsider
    Outsider 29 May 2021 02: 28
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    Quote: Dmitry Izmalkov
    It would be nice for an American to create an ultra-long-range missile on the basis of the Sm-6, like our R-37M. As far as I know, such work has already been carried out, namely, it was suspended on the F / A-18, but without an accelerating stage

    If necessary, they will do it in a month. laughing There is also a seeker from an AIM-120C7 air-to-air missile. There you won't even have to change anything - just put the attachment points and the corresponding URVV plug connector ...
  • Outsider
    Outsider 29 May 2021 02: 29
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    Quote: Dmitry Izmalkov
    And how are you going to launch Aim200 at a distance of 300-120 km, if the range is 180 km cross

    - There is already AIM-260, there is a range of 250 km ... wink
  • Outsider
    Outsider 29 May 2021 02: 34
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    Quote: Tonev
    Quote: Dmitry Izmalkov
    Why better?

    Russian aviation radars have a greater detection range.

    - It's just a lie, from ignorance of the materiel.
    Long-range R-37M missiles will be discovered and launched earlier at a greater distance than the US Air Force can do. Even the stealth of their planes does not help.

    - How can you launch the R-37 at a maximum range of 400 km, with a stealth target detection range of 20 kilometers ??
  • Outsider
    Outsider 29 May 2021 02: 38
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    Quote: Tonev
    The radio horizon is wavelength dependent.

    - Extremely insignificant. D = 4.12√H (km) - for all radio waves propagating without reflection from the ionospheric layers.
  • Outsider
    Outsider 29 May 2021 02: 40
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    Quote: Tonev
    Quote: TARS_117
    One is not a modest question, but the target with which EPR is detected at such a distance? I hope it's clear where I'm getting at?

    AN / APG-77 (F-22).Frequency range: 8-12 GHz (X-band).
    Detection range of air targets with EPR

    Detection range of air targets with RCS = 1 m² - 225 km in normal mode and 193 km in LPI mode.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 24 June 2021 14: 27
    0
    The United States is producing missiles of the required energy - this is a fact, but this does not mean at all that they can intercept. There are at least two problems of the ancients - target designation, which only gets worse with increasing speeds, and the second is accuracy. Modern missiles are guided only by a direct hit. What do we end up with? SM-6 missiles could not cope with North Korean missiles. After that, a huge scandal erupted, but nothing changed. The plane can be hit with a crowbar or several arrows, but with a rocket it is much more difficult.
    A more powerful defeat and the size of the warhead are not included in the missile.
    Therefore, there are great doubts that this missile in general will be combat-ready someday as an anti-missile.
    On the good, the United States should admit the complete failure of the program and revise the missiles by doing something similar to the S-400 and 500.
  • Max PV
    Max PV 7 July 2021 08: 25
    0
    In general, it is still difficult to talk about the effectiveness of any missiles against hypersonic targets, without knowing the most important thing - the characteristics of the targets. We do not even know the appearance of the Zircon. And you must at least know the trajectory, speed in different sections, maneuverability and actually carried out maneuvers, the real EPR, the presence / absence of its own electronic warfare equipment on the rocket, etc. - there are only inferences and "expert" opinions. Moreover, I'm not sure that the Americans also have this information, at most, some intelligence data, which may or may not be misleading, as well as observation data from reconnaissance ships and, possibly, satellites and aircraft for test launches, where again there is guarantees that the test trajectory corresponds to the real combat one, and the RCS is not changed by applying / not coating or installing corner reflectors. Themselves, these statements about the adaptation of the SM-6 to interception of hypersound are still nothing more than a politician, they say we are doing something, and preliminary work on assessing the capabilities of the missile defense system in order to understand whether it is worth doing this at all, and when everything becomes clear, or SM-6 modernize, or make a fundamentally new system.