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The dates for the start of tests of the LMS-2 "Baikal" aircraft developed to replace the An-901 have been announced

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Tests of a prototype of the new light aircraft "Baikal", created to replace the An-2, will begin at the end of 2021. The aircraft is being developed by the "Baikal-Engineering" company.


A prototype aircraft LMS-901 "Baikal" will be shown in July at the International Aviation and Space Salon. It will begin testing at the end of 2021. So far nothing has been announced about further plans, but the aircraft should go into serial production in 2024, replacing the legendary An-2 "Kukuruznik". At least this is the task set by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In the summer of 2019, the Ministry of Industry and Trade announced a tender for the development of a light multi-functional aircraft for nine passengers to replace the An-2. The winner was LLC "Baikal-engineering" - a subsidiary of the Ural plant of civil aviation... At the same time, the Ministry of Industry and Trade abandoned the single-engine TVS-2021DTS "Baikal" aircraft, which was planned for serial production from 2, the development of which went to the creation of the LMS-901 "Baikal".

The new aircraft LMS-901, being developed to replace the An-2, has a length of 12,2 meters, a height of 3,7 meters and a wingspan of 16,5 meters. Maximum take-off weight - 4,8 tons, speed - up to 300 km / h. The maximum flight range is 3 thousand km. The aircraft is created according to a modular scheme, which will allow it to be converted into a cargo or passenger version.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 27 2021 15: 09
    0
    If only the subcontractors did not let down! Good luck to the project! drinks
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 27 2021 15: 36
      +13
      Quote: tralflot1832
      If only the subcontractors did not let you down!

      Foreign subcontractors? The engine, propeller and avionics on it are foreign. They are silent about composites.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 April 27 2021 15: 45
        +5
        Specifically, there is 98% luminescence. Not luminescent, ordinary unloaded parts that you can mix at home yourself.
      2. dauria
        dauria April 27 2021 21: 28
        +8
        The engine, propeller and avionics on it are foreign. They are silent about composites.

        The engine is still the one that is installed on the L-410. In the future, our VK-800. Composites have nothing to do here, this plane is a hard worker. Maintainability comes first. And there will be plenty of dented consoles and hard landings.
        The plane is well calculated in my opinion. Not oversized. The wing profile in the photo is interesting, very similar to the carrier P-III. One thing - no more than 9 passengers are allowed on a single-engine. Not suitable for all companies.
        1. Tcheluskin
          Tcheluskin 1 May 2021 02: 22
          0
          Judging by the color, the keel is composite?
    2. RealPilot
      RealPilot April 27 2021 18: 17
      +6
      And the question of PRICE is also important.
      Very important. After all, the operators will be not only the state. organization, the plane should become widespread, like the An-2, which it theoretically plans to replace.
      And you just have to be completely domestic.

      With a good price and adequate flight performance, the aircraft can become the workhorse of small aircraft. Like An-2, actually.
      1. Telakh
        Telakh April 28 2021 11: 33
        +2
        Until the legislation in the field of aviation is radically changed, it will remain a museum model.
  2. Looking for
    Looking for April 27 2021 15: 11
    -11%
    Yes. The "giant" of the domestic aircraft industry is in a cubbyhole of one of the shops.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus April 27 2021 15: 15
      -10%
      how much can you collect in the cubicle? Will there be 700 pieces for Africa and LatAm? or 3000 pcs? the whole world is working as an assembler of the ultimate pr and kits are being driven from all over the world. l \ auto and gadgets and air so it will be. only with friendship the outskirts flew by.
    2. Mitroha
      Mitroha April 27 2021 17: 38
      +2
      At the same time, the Ministry of Industry and Trade abandoned the single-engine TVS-2021DTS "Baikal" aircraft, which was planned for serial production from 2, the development of which went to the creation of the LMS-901 "Baikal".

      The proposal is made as if the LMS-901 will have two motors, because the single-engine one was abandoned. Who knows, besides the engine, are there any other problems?
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 27 2021 22: 23
        +1
        Quote: Mitroha
        The proposal is made as if the LMS-901 will have two motors, because the single-engine one was abandoned. Who knows, besides the engine, are there any other problems?

        TVS-2DTS did not suit the Ministry of Industry and Trade, not only because of imported components and assemblies, which are almost 100% in this machine. This one-piece composite aircraft turned out to be excessively heavy and had to be made from foreign composite materials.


        The empty weight of TVS-2DTS is 3180 kg, the maximum take-off weight is 7400 kg. An empty LMS-901 weighs 1980-2040 kg, and the maximum take-off weight is 4800 kg.
        The aerodynamic design "biplane" has an excess wing area for the specified size and weight of the LMS-901, so a strut-braced high-wing design was adopted for the new aircraft. The use of a streamlined strut allows you to get rid of the center section and optimize the weight of the aircraft. Its estimated weight will be almost two times less than that of the TVS-2DTS biplane, thus reducing the labor intensity and manufacturing cost.

        https://aviation21.ru/samolyot-lms-901-on-zhe-bajkal-chto-o-nyom-izvestno/
  3. ALARI
    ALARI April 27 2021 15: 12
    +18
    If it will have its own Russian engine, it will go into production, no means it will not work. All other talk is superfluous.
    1. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko April 27 2021 15: 26
      +2
      The engine promises its own. Although the prototype flew in bourgeois.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI April 27 2021 15: 35
        +3
        So I say there will be an internal combustion engine and an airplane, but for now, our drones also fly on the bourgeois and also wait.
        1. Kuroneko
          Kuroneko April 27 2021 15: 41
          +5
          There shouldn't be any problems. VK-800 has actually been mastered, it has been on the stand since 2018. And the reason for the abandonment of TVS-2DTS was not the lack of an engine (and VK-800 would fit), but foreign composites.
          1. ALARI
            ALARI April 27 2021 15: 50
            +7
            It's just that manufacturers can go again according to a simple scheme - Purchase of components abroad (cheaper and faster) and bam the rake goes head-on again.
            1. Kuroneko
              Kuroneko April 27 2021 16: 16
              0
              Quote: ALARI
              It's just that manufacturers can go again according to a simple scheme - Purchase of components abroad (cheaper and faster)

              Thanks to the sanctions, Russia has not had simple schemes for a long time. Which is for the best. I will somehow interrupt without a jamon, but I have to do my own engine and need to do it, even if I don’t want to. It's just that the ministry will cut the project right away.
          2. donavi49
            donavi49 April 27 2021 15: 51
            +3
            Only he is weak. And there, the developers are already smarting with retractable wing takeoff / rescue electric motors.


            Ideally, you need 1000, there will be an engine for 850.
            1. Kuroneko
              Kuroneko April 27 2021 15: 55
              -1
              Quote: donavi49
              Ideally, you need 1000, there will be an engine for 850.

              Will bring in over time. It's a common practice to put something, but Schaub flew. And already retroactively bring the engine.
            2. Nazar
              Nazar April 29 2021 07: 56
              +1
              donavi49 The electric motors on such an airplane are complete idiocy.
              1. Weight of two el. engines plus the weight of the battery - more than a ton and all this is "dead weight", which may not be required for the entire period of operation. And you have to carry this ballast.
              2. The machine must be operated in the far north. Who and how will be able to constantly keep the battery in working order? Where do the conditions for this come from in the Severs?
              3. A car with one engine on the runway stands with a high "lifted" nose - the pilot cannot see the runway in front of the car, but it is necessary to take off from unprepared sites, how can this be done "without looking"?
              UZGA is an engine repair plant, the maximum they can do is a "screwdriver" assembly of Czech "L". Their subsidiary "Baikal-Engineering" is a sharashkin office of 3,5 people and with an authorized capital of 10 thousand rubles. Hence the result, because - a bad tree cannot bear good fruits - I did not say ... hi
          3. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter April 27 2021 17: 34
            +2
            Quote: Kuroneko
            There shouldn't be any problems. VK-800 has actually been mastered, it has been on the stand since 2018. And the reason for the abandonment of TVS-2DTS was not the lack of an engine (and VK-800 would fit), but foreign composites

            Not really. For single-engine aircraft, the passenger capacity is 9 passengers. In my opinion, some kind of international standard. That is why we finalized the project. Monoplane, smaller, etc.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 27 2021 15: 34
      +2
      Quote: ALARI
      If it will have its own Russian engine, it will go into production, no means it will not work. All other talk is superfluous.

      So far, the plans include a General Electric H80-200 engine, a Hartzell propeller, Garmin or Honeywell avionics, with possible subsequent import substitution.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI April 27 2021 15: 42
        +6
        In Taganrog, the Be-200 will not wait for a replacement for many years. Judging by the components, we are with the Americans again friendship chewing gum, brothers and partners drinks
      2. bayard
        bayard April 27 2021 17: 31
        +6
        In vain the biplane was abandoned, there would be no problems with the thrust-to-weight ratio. An-2 flew on an I-16 engine, with a capacity of 500 hp and it was enough for him.
        An aircraft of this class should not be "technologically advanced", but as simple as possible, cheap, convenient to operate and maintain. That is why no one could compare with the An-2, although they tried to create a replacement for it since the 60s of the last century.
        So the best solution would be to resume the construction of the An-2 with a new engine with a capacity of 750 - 850 hp, since petrol "stars" have forgotten how to do it.
        1. Kamchatsky
          Kamchatsky April 27 2021 20: 45
          +6
          And let's also calculate how much this piece of iron will run on the ground until it comes off. Until the VPH An-2, he still has to run and run.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder April 27 2021 20: 51
          +1
          An-2 flew on an I-16 engine, with a capacity of 500 hp and it was enough for him.
          Hmm, maybe more precisely, on a copy of an American engine (then it was tight with aircraft engine building in the Soviet country), which was then modernized (because it was needed, yesterday laughing ):
          The M-62 air-cooled piston engine was developed at the A.D. Shvetsov Design Bureau in 1933. The American engine Wright "Cyclone" R-1820 F3 was taken as a basis. A number of original solutions were used in the design: a double-damper crankshaft, an elastic gas distribution gear, a side seal of the main connecting rod, flanking of the tooth of the fixed gear of the reducer (on ASh-62IR). Serial production was organized in 1937 at the plant number 19 in Perm, later at the Voronezh mechanical plant.
          And the scheme is quite successful:
          The only drawback of such engines is the possibility of oil getting into the lower cylinders of the engine when the aircraft is parked. This can lead to an instant water hammer and, accordingly, to breakdown of the entire crank mechanism. To avoid this, before starting the engine, it is necessary to constantly check the lower cylinders for the absence of oil in them. Of the advantages of a radial engine, it is worth noting its relatively small size, ease of operation and decent power (often installed on sports aircraft).





          1. bayard
            bayard April 27 2021 21: 53
            +5
            Quote: Intruder
            Hmm, maybe more precisely, on a copy of an American motor

            Well, how could it be otherwise? From the ceiling, what about the engines for the red falcons? In-line and V-shaped engines were also purchased under license and made on their basis - from the French and Germans.
            The main thing is that the An-2 was the most economical and convenient to use, it was scattered all over the world. It flies to this day. The Chinese are producing a copy of it, the Far East is already slowly buying An-2 from the Chinese.
            Soon we will start buying the good old An-12 from them.
            And in terms of the outflow of scientists over the past year, Russia has broken its own records of the Yeltsin era.
            And we are surprised that everything is so long and crooked with us ...
            There was no one ...
            But the "main mustache of the Kremlin" does not see this as a problem.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder April 28 2021 01: 59
              0
              And we are surprised that everything is so long and crooked with us ...
              There was no one ...
              But the "main mustache of the Kremlin" does not see this as a problem.
              Aren't you a telepathic person? You read your thoughts straight ... drinks
        3. Captain Nemo
          Captain Nemo April 30 2021 02: 51
          0
          In vain the biplane was abandoned, there would be no problems with the thrust-to-weight ratio. An-2 flew on an I-16 engine, with a capacity of 500 hp and it was enough for him.
          An aircraft of this class should not be "technologically advanced", but as simple as possible, cheap, convenient to operate and maintain. That is why no one could compare with the An-2, although they tried to create a replacement for it since the 60s of the last century.
          So the best solution would be to resume the construction of the An-2 with a new engine with a capacity of 750 - 850 hp, since petrol "stars" have forgotten how to do it.


          The AN-2 is powered by 1000 horsepower. Aviation gasoline is not profitable for commerce. The engine is "selected" by Klimovsky at 800hp. since this engine is well suited for the L-410. Let me remind you that the owners of UZGazmyas purchased a plant in the Czech Republic that produces L-410. UZGazmyas will definitely not make a classic biplane - Minister Denis Manturov needs a product similar to a cesna, otherwise how to justify the choice of UZGA for financing. It was at the entom court plant that the UAVs purchased in Israel were assembled.
          In general, it smelled like another "great pogrom project" in the style of a superjet.
  4. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship April 27 2021 15: 12
    +24
    For the last 30 years, they have only been doing what they show at the next air show the next "corn substitute". The issue does not go further 1-2 pcs. Then all the noise dies down for 5 years. And so, in a circle. Big people and those who know how are not interested in the project (you can't drain a lot from it). And all sorts of "Mkrchyan and Sons Incorporated" LLC do not know how to make planes
  5. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 27 2021 15: 13
    +6
    Let's see ... the immortal brainchild of O.K. Antonov has not yet been replaced by anyone ..
    1. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko April 27 2021 15: 44
      -1
      Quote: Angry 55
      Let's see .. The immortal brainchild of O.K. Antonov has not yet been replaced by anyone.

      C-22 "Ilya Muromets" not just replaced the Tu-160, ne?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 27 2021 17: 11
      +4
      Quote: Angry 55
      The immortal brainchild of O.K. Antonov has never been replaced by anyone.

      Our fathers could have done.
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  7. Xenofont
    Xenofont April 27 2021 15: 15
    +12

    And what, it was impossible to put a normal picture, instead of a green stub?
    1. barclay
      barclay April 27 2021 15: 21
      +12
      "Stub", apparently what really is. And your picture is just a draft on paper.
      Let's look at the implementation of the project.
      The plane is interesting. Truly something new, no prototypes.
      Much will depend on adjusting the production of your own engine.
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko April 27 2021 15: 32
        +2
        Quote: barclay
        And your picture is just a draft on paper.
        Let's look at the implementation of the project.

        No, actually. That's what it looks like. And here it is the red line that is important, because it shows the structure of the floor. On the ground, Baikal will stand with its nose up, of course, and that is why the last section of the floor (where the landing hatch) is also made with a rise. Where the truncated tail section of the fuselage goes. Those. on the ground, this segment will be parallel to the ground, but you will have to climb into the cabin and into the passenger seats. But in flight, everything will become smooth.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 27 2021 16: 33
          +6
          By the way, a rather strange decision to save money on matches. Whereas all competitors in the world still spend money on a normal nose stand.

          For example, here are 4 popular types - which are already being released.



          1. Kuroneko
            Kuroneko April 27 2021 16: 48
            -3
            Quote: donavi49
            By the way, a rather strange decision to save money on matches. Whereas all competitors in the world still spend money on a normal nose stand.

            A nose stand in the Far North, say? And yes, the models you presented are not quite analogs of the An-2.
            By the way, did you notice the "bast shoes"?
            Everything is done so that there is as little mechanization as possible, as much strength as possible (braces are also for this) and in order to repair this miracle it was already possible with one sledgehammer and such and such a mother.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 April 27 2021 17: 15
              +6
              9 people carry all of the above as well as Baikal. Cab dimensions and various modifications / body kits +/- are similar. Well, or rather, some body kits will not have LMS, for example, a luggage rack outside the cabin - like the aircraft I have listed, again because of the savings on matches in the chassis.

              The far north is an argument, but the same Caravan flies all over Alaska and even Canada. And there, too, is not a resort with +40.





              And about simpler. An-2 was at one time an advanced machine. And Antonov was strongly persuaded not to use scarce alloys and aluminum, this is a corn-grower. But he pushed through the decision. Immediately, there is an extreme minimization of everything, including comfort, in favor of extreme maintainability (which in practice is not a fact that will be required, if the developers do not plan to score on the service, there is an airplane type, fix it yourself, write out the documents yourself too laughing ).
        2. Nazar
          Nazar April 29 2021 08: 04
          0
          Kuroneko - That's right - "will stand with its nose up" - how to take off from the ground if the engine completely blocks the view of what is in front of the plane?
      2. Xenofont
        Xenofont April 27 2021 16: 29
        0
        You have an original idea of ​​news illustrations. The finished look of the plane is not interesting to anyone, or, like, show initiative and curiosity?
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 27 2021 15: 27
      +9
      Quote: Xenofont
      And what, it was impossible to put a normal picture, instead of a green stub?

      Can.
      1. Vitaly.17
        Vitaly.17 April 27 2021 15: 41
        -1
        That would be such an airplane with an electric motor, and with solar panels ...
        1. Nazar
          Nazar April 29 2021 08: 09
          0
          Vitaly.17 - How far are you, say from Murmansk, in winter (polar night in half a year) fly away on solar panels - huh? wink
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 27 2021 16: 26
      +4
      Quote: Xenofont
      And what, it was impossible to put a normal picture, instead of a green stub?

      What? Ready already? For the message:
      A prototype aircraft LMS-901 "Baikal" will be shown in July at the International Aviation and Space Salon. It will begin testing at the end of 2021. So far nothing has been announced about further plans, but the aircraft should go into serial production in 2024, replacing the legendary An-2 "Kukuruznik". At least this is the task set by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

      Here is the most normal picture:

      Remember the LEGEND:
      6 March 1946 year OKB-153 was formed for civil and transport aircraft at the Chkalov Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. Oleg Konstantinovich Antonov became its chief designer. The first task of the Design Bureau was the agricultural aircraft SKHA-1, later renamed An-2.
      On August 31, 1947, test pilot P.N. Volodin first lifted the first prototype of the An-2, designated SKA, into the sky. The aircraft completed two large circles at an altitude of 1200 meters and after 30 minutes of flight landed. In December 1947, State tests began at the Air Force Research Institute, which continued until March 1948. On August 23, 1948, the aircraft under the designation An-2 was adopted by the Air Force and supplied to the Civil Air Fleet. Serial production was organized at plant number 473 in Kiev. 9 September 1949 years test pilot GI Lysenko lifted the first serial An-2 (in a transport version) into the sky.
      In total, more than 18 thousand An-2 were built. Exported to 26 countries around the world.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets April 27 2021 16: 40
        +6
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Remember the LEGEND:

        Don't compare giants to pygmies.
    4. Zotov1981
      Zotov1981 April 27 2021 18: 01
      0
      And what, it was impossible to put a normal picture, instead of a green stub?


      On the contrary, a real photo is always better than one drawn on a computer.
    5. PROXOR
      PROXOR April 28 2021 10: 04
      +2
      Ooooh, thanks for the picture.
      On the issue of replacing the AN-2. Closed bast shoes of the front landing gear make a cross for unpaved airfields. So what is this replacement for Corn? The scheme of bast shoes was used by both the Germans and ours. For example, the Germans removed the bast shoes from the front struts precisely because of the dirt.
      1. zlinn
        zlinn April 28 2021 12: 15
        0
        bast shoes do not interfere with operations with ground airpower, and even grass ones, and they are easily and quickly removed, but add 5-6 knots to the speed at the same flow rate, well, or reduce consumption, bast shoes interfere with the inspection of the wheels, but this is easily solved, this is me as an operator of different types of cessation, including on the ground, I can confirm
        1. PROXOR
          PROXOR April 28 2021 14: 17
          +2
          You probably did not understand me! Our soil strips are used even if the strip is soaked. And when landing and flying, the water with all the mud flies into these bast shoes. Look at all the competitors. All have open chassis wheels. And sesna involves the use of only dry unpaved airfields. So sesna is not an indicator.
          In our conditions, this is not an option. BTW !!!! Take a look at the landing gear Canadians use on remote airfields. I don't mean healthy, low-pressure chassis wheels, but standard tires. You will be surprised, but in Canada, sesna without bast shoes prevails.
  8. JD1979
    JD1979 April 27 2021 15: 21
    +5
    The aircraft is created according to a modular scheme, which will allow converting it into a cargo or passenger version.

    ... someone recognized the "fashionable" word - modularity, but did not understand its meaning ....
    The Ka-26/126/226 is an example of modularity.
  9. Looking for
    Looking for April 27 2021 15: 21
    +13
    Quote: Angry 55
    The immortal brainchild of O.K. Antonov has never been replaced by anyone.

    because it is immortal. that it was designed and built by a team of real designers. and not by the firm "wing and tail"
  10. Bradley
    Bradley April 27 2021 15: 35
    +3
    The AN-2 is irreplaceable, an airplane for centuries. On it, our ancestors, in thousands of years, will fly across the vastness of the galaxy.
    Perfection requires no replacement!
  11. Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. April 27 2021 15: 41
    +11
    In four years, this balalaika is going to be made. What are you doing there at work? By design, you can do it in any bed factory. Like the degradation of aviation.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 April 27 2021 15: 45
    +4
    The dates for the start of tests of the LMS-2 "Baikal
    ... Or maybe not the time frame will be listed, but the planes to do ???
    By the way, not to the producers the question / claims, but to the officials who dragged out the whole thing !!!
  13. ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN April 27 2021 15: 48
    +4
    There is very little information about the aircraft, I would like to know more information: the length of the run, the takeoff run, the stall speed, the ability to land on unprepared runways, unpretentiousness in repair, maintenance and management, i.e. everything for which the famous AN-2 was famous for the great designer and man Oleg Konstantinovich Antonov.
  14. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich April 27 2021 15: 56
    +1
    Quote: Kuroneko
    There shouldn't be any problems. VK-800 has actually been mastered, it has been on the stand since 2018. And the reason for the abandonment of TVS-2DTS was not the lack of an engine (and VK-800 would fit), but foreign composites.

    If it's not a secret, what prevented foreign composites from replacing with their own - the wing for MC 21 seems to have been made from their own composites?
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo April 27 2021 16: 34
      +1
      In TVS-2DTS "Baikal" everything is not like that of Soviet designers. The biplane scheme chosen to increase the speed without braces and struts, despite the use of an expensive composite, led to a strong weighting of the airframe. Those. turned out to be a fashionable plane for the governor's hunt for defenseless animals.

      What you need is a cheap workhorse with good weight return. Designed for the markets of Russia, Kazakhstan and the wild spaces of the 3rd world. Without a domestic mass engine and avionics, there will be no serious production.

      Vaughn, the Turks with the supply of motors and electrical components of "Partneryputin" were slapped with sanctions - the production of UAVs was lame.
      1. Xenofont
        Xenofont April 27 2021 17: 26
        +1
        The biplane scheme does not increase the speed, but allows to reduce the load on the wing and, in fact, makes it possible to glide with the engine off.
        1. Captain Nemo
          Captain Nemo April 27 2021 18: 32
          +3
          The main advantage of the biplane is the lightness of the wing due to the truss power circuit. TVS-2DTS "Baikal" has a biplane scheme without this advantage. we abandoned racks, braces, braces due to the fact that with an increase in flight speed, all this economy wildly resonates, "flutter" and falls apart. As a result, we came up with an unreasonably expensive and heavy construction. This problem has surfaced if my memory serves me right on the AN-3.
  15. Breard
    Breard April 27 2021 16: 02
    +6
    fellow "Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers" can be heard! and beautiful pictures will show ... - how everything will fly!
    Hmm ... how similar it is to talk of going to Mars!
    Or reality: Soviet Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians ... etc. more than 30 years ago, at the level of those ancient today, "backward, totalitarian, poor technologies of the damned communist yesterday COULD and MAKE, say, Tu-160 produced almost ten units a year! Modern" NEW MANAGERS and AVIA SPECIALISTS -startUP-s "democratic Vasherashi ... again - COULD! For 30 years degenerate ... oh, roll out the only one for completion !!! Tu-160 in 30 years!
    And this is at the MODERN level of technology, production, materials, development and design!
    HOORAY!
    And here ... it is required to recreate Anushka .... SUPER PROBLEM! wassat HELL engine - NO! strong!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 27 2021 16: 31
      -2
      Quote: Breard
      HELL engine - NO! strong!

      There is an engine, no mass production ...
      1. Grits
        Grits April 27 2021 17: 04
        +2
        And what prevents you from inventing a bicycle, but just starting to produce the same proven An-2? By updating it slightly. Or have you lost the blueprints? Or "competence lost"?
        1. Captain Nemo
          Captain Nemo April 27 2021 18: 43
          +2
          An-3. The lack of a Russian mass engine for diesel fuel interferes. But the stadiums were built at cosmic prices. There is now something to fight off "partners". Stadiums.
        2. Nazar
          Nazar April 29 2021 08: 14
          0
          Gritsa - the Chinese do just that.
      2. Breard
        Breard April 28 2021 03: 31
        +1
        laughing Yes I was mistaken ... "Aha no engine"
        Damn, I like it - Your answer: "There is an engine, there is no mass production ..."
        and THIS IS RUSSIA! 2021! YEAR! - 30 years after the Soviet Union which CREATED and RELEASED - serially WHAT I WANTED! They could!
  16. da Vinci
    da Vinci April 27 2021 16: 17
    +5
    Ay, our superElite, Biznesmeny, innovators, menaGers, or how are you there? And where is your innovation and investment. Koneshno, STE is not 250% of the margin from oil / gas, here 3-5%. Or, as always, the taxes are being stifled and the secretaries of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union squeezed? Got some fat, it's time to show the advantages of private capital over the scoop? Or only as Chubais and Co. (only for folk denyuzhki)?
  17. Crabong
    Crabong April 27 2021 16: 24
    +1
    Where is the engine ?!
    1. Denis Rumyanny
      Denis Rumyanny April 27 2021 17: 56
      +1
      At "partners"
  18. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 April 27 2021 16: 30
    0
    Hope this project takes off! The project is very interesting even without "new-fashionable composite materials", and weighs much less than TVS-2DTS. Now the main thing is to make your own engine for it, without any foreign accomplices.
  19. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 27 2021 16: 39
    +8
    When will this insanity end? For 10 years they have been saying that an aircraft has been created to replace the An-2, passed the tests, everything is fine ... And then again ... Only the plane is already different, then the third ... And things are still there.
  20. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 27 2021 16: 50
    +7
    = the aircraft should go into serial production in 2024, =
    Does it take 3 years to launch such a trifle into production? Yes, there is no cross on you, or ... Vissarionovich. And if Lavrenty Pavlovich joined, then you would have launched it into production this year.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 27 2021 18: 36
      -3
      This aircraft still needs to be tested and, most importantly, certified both in our country and abroad, and also to bring its engine up to date. so the announced production date of 2024 comes as no surprise.
    2. Nazar
      Nazar April 29 2021 08: 20
      0
      Krasnoyarsk - In our city (Ulan-Ude), at the checkpoint of the aircraft plant, there is a commemorative plaque with the dates on which the construction of the plant began and the production of the first serial aircraft. Between these dates - a year, ONE YEAR!
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 29 2021 09: 30
        +1
        Quote: Nazar
        Krasnoyarsk - In our city (Ulan-Ude), at the checkpoint of the aircraft plant, there is a commemorative plaque with the dates on which the construction of the plant began and the production of the first serial aircraft. Between these dates - a year, ONE YEAR!

        No wonder. At that time, the power was in the hands of STATE GOVERNMENTS, not "effective managers." And the words "responsible employee" did not speak about the status of a person, but about the fact that, if something happens, he will be held accountable. A very harsh responsibility.
  21. Basarev
    Basarev April 27 2021 16: 59
    0
    Nothing will come of it. The story is like with Makarov - many tried, but no one succeeded in replacing him. An-2 is eternal, the author will be convinced of this.
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  23. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz April 27 2021 17: 43
    0
    Does the VK-800 engine eat in the series?
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo April 27 2021 19: 10
      0
      Dokhlovat VK-800 - 800hp. On the An-3 there was a TVD-20 with 1400hp.
  24. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ April 27 2021 19: 54
    +3
    I wonder why they abandoned TVS-2DTS "Baikal"?
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo April 27 2021 20: 04
      +2
      expensive and overweight
      1. stepka_razin
        stepka_razin April 28 2021 04: 06
        0
        expensive and overweight

        for the same reason, LMS-901 "Baikal" will be refused
  25. John22
    John22 April 27 2021 20: 09
    +1
    To begin with, we would install theater engines on the existing An-2 gliders and fly before the start of production of new models. But the refusal of the biplane aircraft scheme for the locals is a mistake.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 27 2021 21: 07
      -1
      To begin with, we would install theater engines on the existing An-2 gliders and fly before the start of production of new models.
      for a long time, they have been doing this - the turboprop TR-301TV, they turned it into a high-winged plane: from 9:19, it is advisable to watch, skipping unnecessary news ...
  26. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar April 27 2021 22: 18
    +1


    On January 10, 2021, in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov clarified that, according to the requirements of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, fixed in the contract, the cost of a flight hour for the Baikal aircraft should be 30 thousand rubles, the cost of the aircraft should be cheaper than Cessna Caravan and Kodiak 100 - 120 million rubles. against 170 million and 165 million, respectively.

    The first flight should be completed by the end of 2021. It is planned to complete certification and receive a type certificate by the end of 2022 - beginning of 2023. Commercial deliveries will begin in 2023.

    Polar Airlines (Yakutia), Naryan-Mar United Aviation Squadron (Nenets Autonomous District), Arkhangelsk 2nd United Squadron (Arkhangelsk Region), Aeroservice (Zabaikalsk Territory) and others have expressed interest in these aircraft. Within 5 years from the date of aircraft certification, Russian operators are ready to purchase at least 110 aircraft on financial lease. The purchase option includes about 50-70 aircraft in the Russian Federation and at least 50 aircraft in the CIS market. Thus, the nearest market prospect for this aircraft is estimated at 230 units.
  27. zlinn
    zlinn April 27 2021 22: 20
    0
    [/ quote] The new LMS-901 aircraft, being developed to replace the An-2, has a length of 12,2 meters, a height of 3,7 meters and a wingspan of 16,5 meters. Maximum takeoff weight - 4,8 tons, speed - up to 300 km / h. The maximum flight range is 3 thousand km. [Quote]
    it's called: "let's come up with some kind of crap, and then we'll be very surprised - why didn't it become a hit of sales?" who will explain to me why a plane for 9 paks needs a take-off weight of 4,8 tons? why a range of 3 thousand kilometers at a speed of less than 300 km / h? all this needs a cool engine, but there is no sense in this, the cessea 208 caravan weighs less (3,9) and flies faster, and the carrying capacity is higher, and it only needs 670 hp, so why set yourself failed tasks in advance? some kind of mazachism and even with a tail wheel
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich April 28 2021 00: 02
      +1
      Quote: zlinn
      ... who will explain to me why a plane for 9 paks needs a take-off weight of 4,8 tons? Why a range of 3 thousand kilometers at a speed of less than 300 km / h?
      "Intercity flying route taxi" ...
      Moscow - Kaliningrad 1089 km (in a straight line)
      Moscow - Novosibirsk 2811 km (in a straight line)
      Moscow - Sochi 1361 km (in a straight line)
      yes
      1. zlinn
        zlinn April 28 2021 07: 01
        +1
        especially cool, to fly 10-11 hours from Moscow to Novosib on a single-engine close plane, the aforementioned An-2 has a range of 990 km, the same cessna has 1300 km, the proposed range of 3000 km is needed only for one purpose, to fly to airfields where it is impossible to refuel , and the snow on the other is the same, and so all day between them to wander and carry fuel with you, due to the increase in the cost of operation, deterioration of characteristics, just not to build airfields with refueling (barrel + pump), this is a breakthrough, this is a success!
      2. PROXOR
        PROXOR April 28 2021 10: 18
        +1
        You're kidding me: 1089 km divided by 300 km / h is almost 4 hours in the summer. It may take half the time to prepare for departure from a regular flight, but an ordinary reshular airline will still be there faster in all respects. I am already silent about Novosib and Sochi.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich April 28 2021 20: 09
          +1
          Quote: PROXOR
          You're kidding me: 1089 km divided by 300 km / h is almost 4 hours in the summer. Maybe preparation for departure will take half the time of a regular flight, I'm not talking about Novosib and Sochi.

          The meaning will only be in after-hours flightswhen your schedule does not coincide with the schedule of regular airlines.
          True, the question of price will arise ...
          bully
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR April 28 2021 10: 13
      0
      So it seems to me that it was necessary to make an airplane on one TV7-117 engine. Firstly, the engine is domestic, and secondly, it is more powerful, which will allow the aircraft to more easily take off from unpaved strips and have a higher cruising speed.
    3. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo April 29 2021 00: 42
      0
      who will explain to me why a plane for 9 pax takes off weight of 4,8 tons? Why a range of 3 thousand kilometers at a speed of less than 300 km / h?

      You can call it ferry range - the tanks are full, there is no cargo or passengers. The aircraft is planned to be universal - cargo transportation is several times cheaper than the helicopter version. Well, 9 passengers are restrictions on a single-engine aircraft. There are also unannounced public demands from the generals of the aerospace forces.)))
  28. Sergey28
    Sergey28 April 28 2021 05: 05
    +1
    How long does it take for all good things to take root in the country, and vice versa, the goofs pass their proposals on once or twice.
  29. Martian
    Martian April 28 2021 08: 20
    +2
    This "pepelats" cannot fully replace the An-2. This is generally Pogosyanovskaya crap, a new Armenian dough cut and nothing else. There were already normal proposals for the modernization of the AN-2, but they did not pass. We remember the buried Tu-334s by Poghosyan and see the same picture again. And a new single-engine aircraft is not needed for Siberia. We need a light twin-engine ala L-410 smaller.
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo April 29 2021 01: 47
      0
      We need a light twin-engine ala L-410 smaller.

      It was invented for a long time by the aircraft designer Antonov himself. An-28.
      Made under license by lyakhami.

      C-145A (nee An-28).
      The United States Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC) has acquired 18 C-145A Skytruck / Combat Coyotes that entered service since 2009 and were acquired through the Sierra Nevada Corporation, which prepares the aircraft for service prior to handover. Skytrucks planes fly around the world, performing clandestine thug drops, resupply and other missions, as well as training for foreign air forces.
      The life path of this aircraft, after all the modifications, is not over. For example, Sikorsky, whose business unit is now PZL Mielec, believes the Sikorsky M28 short takeoff and landing aircraft is the ideal vehicle for meeting the needs of Central America.
      All this confirms the correctness of the decisions incorporated in the design of the An-28 aircraft of the Antonov Design Bureau.
  30. Lycan
    Lycan April 28 2021 08: 24
    0
    I wish this car increased reliability.
  31. zwlad
    zwlad April 28 2021 08: 26
    +1
    Why reinvent the bicycle (AN-2)? Isn't it easier to restore production?
    1. Titus_2
      Titus_2 April 29 2021 09: 28
      -1
      And where do you propose to restore ... we do not live in the USSR, and there is no certainty that they can.
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 6 May 2021 19: 21
        0
        Well, about where they want to build a new one.
  32. Semyonich from the Urals
    Semyonich from the Urals April 28 2021 17: 55
    0
    PPC .. Corn will be doing for 10 years
  33. senima56
    senima56 April 29 2021 12: 30
    +1
    This project will suffer the same fate as "Rysachok" and "Gzhel"! The money will be collected, "sawn" and the only copy will be gathering dust in an abandoned hangar. And airlines will buy a "foreign car"! fool negative hi
  34. sifgame
    sifgame April 29 2021 13: 11
    0
    As befits all the specialists in small aircraft gathered at the forum of the topvar, there is no one to make the plane))). But seriously, it's all sad.