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Schindler's List: The Life of the Saint Gauner

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Liam Nisson
Liam Nisson as Oskar Schindler in Steven Spielberg "Schindler's list" has received many nominations for prestigious awards in the world of cinema, but the image he created has nothing to do with the actual character.


When I went to watch a movie "Schindler's list", I did not expect that I would seriously and for a long time take up the study of the biography of his protagonist. But the Hollywood image of an elegant Nazi, in a silk shirt and a suit with a needle, who was engaged in only one thing throughout the war - saving Jews - seemed so perfect to me, and his exploits were so heroic that I doubted it. I doubted the veracity of the tale of a noble Nazi, since some of the film's provisions seemed incredible to me in the light of the occupation reality, which I, fortunately, did not experience, but which, unfortunately, fell to the lot of many of my relatives and friends.

Why, studying history World War II and being a frequent visitor to Poland, have I never met this name? Why didn't leading Polish Holocaust experts like Władysław Bartoszewski, Zofia Levin or Agatha Patalyas write about him? Why is he not mentioned by world-renowned researchers of the problem like Eli Wiesel, Philip Friedman or Mark Matsover? Why the well-organized Krakow branch of the Jewish Aid Council "Zhegota" does not have any information about the merciful deeds of a certain Oskar Schindler?

It turned out that I was not the first to ask such questions. Already in 1995, the former commandant "Zhegoty", Stanislav Vincenty Dobrovolsky, on the pages of his memoirs named the story about Oskar Schindler

"The exaggerated legend of the opportunistic guardian of the Jews, who actually paid for the salvation of their bare lives with their own slave labor for the occupiers."

Dobrovolsky's opinion was published with censorship bills, and even then the enthusiasts of the newly-minted hero made every effort to scream him.

But the story of Thomas Kennelly "Schindler's list" published in thousands of copies in many languages ​​of the world. The director Steven Spielberg, who was received in Krakow with ingratiating devotion, took up the filming without bothering himself with a test of the historical veracity of Kennelly's story. He even softened her anti-Polish accents. And in the film, the Jews wandering in the ghetto are not thrown by filth and no one makes fun of them. And no one in the film says the iconic phrase that the Poles hate Jews so much that Jews will live much better in the ghetto.

But me "Schindler's list" interested not in how he represents Polish-Jewish relations - offensive for Poles, according to film critics. I was interested in the personality of the hero itself, or rather, in the technology of its manufacture at the factory of monuments to them. Steven Spielberg.

Blatant lie about the crook


The long journey in the footsteps of Oskar Schindler has come to an end, and I can write with responsibility for my words that his story is not a "fanned legend", but a blatant lie from beginning to end.

I didn't think that the personality of Oskar Schindler would take away so much of my time and money, and that I would write more about him than a second line on my website. But over time, I realized that Kenally and Spielberg had piled up such heaps of lies that fighting them out required more extensive, more comprehensive, and better documented work. And even when I took it, I wondered if I was giving too much honor to such a worthless person as Oskar Schindler? Am I swinging at something that is beyond my strength, trying to topple this monument where it belongs - into the garbage pit of history?

Oskar Schindler
The real Oskar Schindler. Even his appearance has nothing to do with the cinematic image. (Yad Vashem Institute)

The uncritical creators of the legend and their exalted singers called him "Noah from Krakow", "The Builder of the Ark", "The Angel of Life". I had to travel 450 kilometers to find out that in his youth his name was completely different. Through Vienna and Brno, I came to Oskar Schindler's hometown of Svitava. At the time of the gallant soldier Schweik, the city was called in German - Zwittau. The industrial village of Brnenets, or Brunnlitz in German, is located 20 kilometers to the south. Here it is - the Promised Land, where Noah from Krakow took his Jews. I had to see them with my own eyes: both Svitavy and Brnenec.

The Svitavy make a nice impression: the fabulous architecture of old houses with arcades surrounds the elongated, elliptical market in the center.

- Have you heard about Oskar Schindler? - I asked worriedly at the first oncoming passer-by.

- Schindler? Gauner? But how! A monument to him was erected in Svitavy. A sweet elderly man with an unshaven stubble of a red beard smiled at me good-naturedly and showed me the way to the monument.

Gauner? This is a German word, but it turns out that it is also known in the Czech Republic. Gauner means a rogue, but there are also worse synonyms: a rogue, a bloodsucker ...

Monument to the rogue


That's right: to the left of the neo-Gothic building of the city government, near the school is a fork. To the right the road leads to Litomyšl, to the left - to Polička. This is the former Iglauerstrasse. The monument should be somewhere in the park, opposite the house where our saint was born. Here it is - a very beautiful obelisk with the Star of David in the middle. The inscriptions are in two languages ​​- Czech and German. Dates of birth and death. The monument was opened by the Chief Rabbi of Prague, Ephraim Karel Sidon, in the presence of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Jizi Dienstbir.

- Why here? - I asked a fat lady passing by.

- How why? Someone needs to inflate the problem of the Sudeten Germans! See - the inscription in German ?!

I didn’t mean that at all, but the fat lady had already disappeared. And here is the home of our saint - across the street. Rebuilt many times, with two Venetian windows on the first and second floors. That's the whole "beautiful villa" over which Kennelly touches. I decided to call to find out why the obelisk was installed in the park, and not near this house. Someone answered on the intercom. I asked my question. There was a long, long silence. Finally, a hoarse baritone full of indignation cried out:

- Schindler ?! Gauner?! Fascist?! In our house?!

Svitavy
Svitavy. Monument to Oskar Schindler. The inscription in Czech and German reads: “Oskar Schindler. An unforgettable savior of the lives of 1200 persecuted Jews. " (Photo by the author.)

The intercom stopped. Later I found out that it was they - the owners of the house - who did not give permission to install the obelisk at their place. And they are not alone. The Czech Union of Freedom Fighters made an official protest:

Why does a Czech city need to extol a German, a fascist, an agent of German intelligence ?!

The freedom fighters do not believe that Schindler actually saved 1200 Jews from the Brunnlitz camp.

The branches of Gross-Rosen are said to have worked for the German war industry until the last day. Where there was no time to undertake the "evacuation" of prisoners - and there were many such camps - all the Jews survived. Where is Schindler's merit? But freedom fighters wrote one more phrase than is allowed in the free world:

If his deeds are so highly regarded in Israel, let his memory live on in Israel and among the Jews scattered around the world.

This declaration was recognized as nationalist. Signals were sent to independent media outlets to drown out criticism.

In the Svitavy Local History Museum, no one denies Schindler's merits. There, the salvation of 1200 Jews is unconditionally recognized as a fact. A bearded, unexpectedly playful, middle-aged historian, Dr. Miloslav Shtrikh even prepared a list of 25 points listing the main stages of the saint's life. This is in case an eccentric wandered there, who would like to know more about him.

The next day I spent in the cool walls of the museum, making my way through its archives. I also diligently rewrote St Schindler's Life of Strokes. Basically, it supports the official line and, rather, shows the Svitava "fellow countryman" in a good light, but one cannot fail to notice some of his ... um ... weaknesses ...

The myth of the holy fascist


I started with the pedigree - himself, his parents, his parents' parents ... Birth certificates, marriage certificates, death certificates ... And then I went to the pub, where, over a glass of excellent Pilsen beer, I was sad that the truth does not always look like this, as we imagine it. I expected to meet a dignified, bourgeois family, a father - a secular man, according to Kennelly, and a magnificent wedding, which, of course, preceded the birth of the saint. A white brick church, white ladies' dresses, city fathers who came to the main market to congratulate the newlyweds ...

Why stir up old archives? Djinn are hidden in them, overthrowing legends.

Oskar Schindler's father, Hans, was a peasant son who settled in the city for the first generation. He drove around the outskirts and traded in various agricultural products and machines. In the hot summer of 1907, he visited his native village of Lachnov, in German Lotschnau. The trip was not fruitless. And by the fall, the local girl Franziska Luser was already desperately rushing to the altar with a strongly convex figure. Even if she was the daughter of a simple builder and worked in a tobacco factory, it was impossible to appear in such a form in the ordinary Svitavy.

The wedding took place hastily and quietly in Brno, in the Church of St. Mary Magdalene, on 12 October. And then - the gray reality of earning a livelihood. Because in reality there was neither a nice villa on the outskirts, nor a factory of agricultural products, nor 50 workers, nothing that Kennelly lists with affection on the pages of his story ...

From the very beginning, we are dealing with a myth.

The son of a traveling salesman was born on April 28, 1908. He studied in elementary school, and then in a real gymnasium. He had a sister seven years younger with the double name of Elfriede-Gertrude. Not only German names - parish books in Svitavy at that time were also kept in German.

The fifth item of the "Stroke list" from the Museum of Local Lore says that in 1924 the saint was kicked out of the fourth grade of a real gymnasium for falsifying some documents. Then the nickname stuck to him Gauner... And the mythical relatives of Rabbi Kantor were not at all his great friends, as the legend of Thomas Kennelly wants. At the age of 16, with a wolf ticket, Schindler left Svitavy and tried to enter a construction school in Brno. But Shtrikh says he has no specific data. The saint himself in his biography compiled for the Institute Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, claimed to have graduated from a driving school in Sumperk. It is not far from Svitav. But this Czech avtoškola, they were just courses for obtaining a driver's license. And he graduated from them only in 1928!

And, in general, the young Schindler did not have time to study, since cars and heifers appeared in his life. The court biographer of Saint Schindler writes:

In his final school year, Oscar was racing around town in a 500-cube red Galloni.

Of course, the last grade in the gymnasium was the eighth grade. Only for Oscar, the fourth was the last.

In 1924-1927, he helped his father sell agricultural machines and drove around the surrounding villages, offering some a mower, some a thresher, and some a new tractor. Red Galloni growled deafeningly in the narrow streets of the old town, and a new girl fell apart on the back saddle every time. In cafes and restaurants, wine and vodka flowed like a river. Advances and debts disappearing into the pockets of the young Schindler, every time at home caused scandals between him and his father, to the despair of the compassionate mother. But father and son continued to drive around the neighborhood - sometimes even together - and sell their cars to peasants.

So they got to the village of Moletin, where they tried to sell the tractor to a wealthy owner named Pelzl. But Oscar had no time for the tractor. He noticed not a bad girl and started flirting right off the bat. Moreover, the girl graduated from a respectable church school and had half a million marks of dowry! One could even seriously think about love and marriage, which was done. We know this from the words of Emilia herself, who until 2001 lived in San Vicente, Argentina. Again, everything is different from the Australian fabulist!

In Argentina, Emilia kept marriage photos. In March 1928, she was somewhat bodily, but in a white dress. Below the groom's head and six months younger than him. The photographs do not show the expression on the face of her father, who is recorded in the marriage certificate as a landowner from Moletin (Grundbesitzer in Alt Moletein). But it is known that he was not delighted with this marriage. But she was delighted with the Oscar. Here he is, next to her in marriage photographs, a tall, thin Aryan with a Nordic face, squinting like an angel. You can't say that in reality this whole show was started because of half a million marks ...

This is how Oskar Schindler entered adulthood. Until now, he lived with his parents in a house at Iglauerstrasse 24 and helped his father sell agricultural machines. Now the newlyweds moved to their own house in Svitavy, and Oskar immediately lowered his young wife's dowry onto a new motorcycle - the coolest Moto-Guzzi 250...

In the evenings, the Svitavy become quiet and sleepy. Dreams of tourists, mass pilgrimages to the cherished Schindler's places did not come true. In front of the hotel SlaviaIn the main market, there are several mid-range cars and one motorcycle parked. Only two tables are occupied on the terrace of the hotel cafe. But I settled in this hotel for a reason: before the war it was called "Ungarn", and this is of great importance for the further narrative.

But so far I have looked through the notes about Saint Schindler, who at that time was still neither a saint, nor even an Equal-to-the-Apostles. In general, he was far from being chaste. The year was 1928, which brought many events. The wedding is in March. Then a motorcycle. Moto-Guzzi 250 at that time it was chic - Italian, modern, unique. On it, Pietro Gersi achieved his greatest successes in Italy, and outside Italy, only two Germans, one Hungarian and one Pole had such a motorcycle. Such a motorcycle was worth a fortune.

Gauner Schindler
Family idyll. Oskar Schindler driving a car; with him is his father, father-in-law, mother-in-law and an unidentified relative. In fact, the Schindler family life was far from idyllic, and the photograph is known on the Internet in a cropped form. (E. Rosenberg. Ich, Emilie Schindler. Erinnerungen einer Unbeugsamen... Herbig, 2001.)

Skipped Emilia's dowry - both fathers decided and excommunicated Oscar from cash and credit. But Moto-Guzzi 250 was already purchased, and Oskar with great pleasure rode it through the narrow streets of Svitav. Most willingly, he left his motorcycle in the parking lot in the market to show off his peers and girls. But his wife was somehow not observed with him ... Instead of going on a honeymoon somewhere in the mountains or to the sea, he preferred the dusty roads and the company of his Moto Guzzi... The crackle of the engine and the smell of gasoline hit him in the head. And now Oskar Schindler was dreaming about the career of a glorious motorcyclist. Barely two months have passed since the wedding, and he has already taken part in the Brno - Sobieslav races on a difficult alpine track. Dr. Shtrich even unearthed the exact launch date: May 13, 1928. Oscar himself claimed to have taken third place then. I did not find any confirmation or refutation of this statement, but in the archives of sports magazines I did not find any mention of these races. They were probably only of local importance.

Big things are intertwined with small ones. Sport is strangely intertwined with politics. By the end of the 1920s, agents of the Reich were already operating among the Sudeten Germans. At the same time, the first nationalist organizations appeared. The official activity of the influential Volksport - the recruitment of young people, the organization of competitions and the first harbingers of a new ideology began:

Abwehr Pelikanov's agent


"We, the Germans, stand above this Slavic cattle!"

Events moved rapidly. And already in 1931, athletes from Volksport T-shirts with a swastika were seized. And then, at their meetings, shouts were heard:

Adolf Hitler, free us from Czechoslovakia! (Adolf Hitler, mach uns frei von der Tschechoslowakei!)

But not before Fuhrer seized power in Germany.

Item 13 on the "Stroke List" talks about a motorcycle competition in some Altwatter. And a big question mark, since the date of the competition is unknown. The area with the name Altvatter also does not exist. Most likely, we are talking about Altwasser - Stara Voda near Marianske Lazne. There Schindler allegedly miscalculated: on the penultimate race he thought he was the last and slowed down. The victory was in his pocket, but the pocket was full of holes. Nevertheless, he was greeted.

These motorcycle races are just an ornament on the gray youth of the saint. And time flies. And now he turned 20 years old. And he's already married. Where is his young wife Emilia? Did she expect him every time with a heartbeat at the finish line? And were they, these finishes? Kenally himself noticed in the pages "Schindler's List"that Oscar liked to embellish. Emilia claims that this is poorly said: he knew how to blatantly lie. And this ability was appreciated.

Six months after the wedding, Oscar received a summons from the army. And he, instead of enjoying his wife, pranced on a motorcycle and even went to Sumperk to get a driver's license. That "driving school" had the honor of becoming the only educational institution that Schindler graduated from, apart from the four grades of the gymnasium, of course. But why such a rush to get a driver's license? Most likely, he already dreamed of his own car, but for now Oscar had to be content with a military gymnast and the steering wheel of an army truck. This is item 14 on the "Stroke list": 18 months of service in the motorized forces, 31st Infantry Regiment.

And then the word first appears Abwehr. True, Fuhrer has not yet come to power, the year is still 1928. But German intelligence was in full swing. In Svitavy they drew my attention to the following circumstance: why did Oskar go to Sumperk, 65 kilometers from Svitavy, to get his driver's license?

Is it because a certain Ilsa Pelikanova lived in Shumperk - an agent Abwehr?

The driver's license was supposed to provide Oskar Schindler with service in the motorized troops, and Pelikanova was supposed to give him instructions on what to look for and how to transmit information. This is probably how the beginning of his collaboration with Abwehr... But only likely.

The saint returned from the army in 1930 - at the height of the economic crisis - and got a job at the MEAS electrical engineering company in Brno. I will never believe that he was the sales manager. Most likely, we are dealing here with a tendency to "embellish" both Schindler and Kennelly.

How could a young man, with no education, no experience in electronics, get such a high position?

The very fact that he got a prestigious job in the midst of the global economic crisis indicates that someone was behind him who pushed him upstairs. One can only guess who: German nationalist organizations, Sudeten Germans entering into force, maybe even himself Abwehr, whose tentacles spread across Czechoslovakia incredibly densely.

Abwehr Schindler's agent in Berlin?


And suddenly - a gaping hole in his biography: in 1931 Oskar Schindler spent several months in Germany, in Berlin itself. This is item 16 on the "Stroke list". Where does this Berlin come from, if we discard the likelihood of cooperation with Abwehr? After all, in Germany he had neither relatives, nor did he ride a motorcycle. And then point 17 - throughout 1932 Oskar Schindler did not work anywhere.

Where have you been? What have you been doing?

It wasn't until 1933 that Schindler founded a chicken farm on the outskirts of the Svitavy. Six months later, she went bankrupt. Not only she, but also his father's enterprise. If it were (according to Kennelly) a factory employing 50 workers, its bankruptcy would have left a significant mark on the history of the Sweets. Just think - 50 families without a livelihood!

Fortunately, this was only a private trade in agricultural machinery. And it is not even known whether anyone other than the Schindlers worked there. Then, after a double bankruptcy, in the same 1933, another family scandal. Diligently hidden, he nevertheless leaked into the rumors of a small town.

A certain Aurelia Schlegel gave birth to a daughter named Edith on February 20, 1933. Rumor has it that this is the illegitimate child of Oskar Schindler, who at that time allegedly lived with his wife in separation. In 1935, the same Aurelia gave birth to a boy who was given the name Oscar. There is no evidence of the birth of both children in Svitavy. But Dr. Shtrich does not stop searching. He wants to see with his own eyes whether Oskar Schindler is recorded there as a father?

Kennelly lingered on the relationship between father and son Schindlers for a long time. In the book, it's Oscar, of course. The noble one who scolds his father for allegedly leaving his mother in 1933. But there is no evidence for this. But that Oscar left his wife, lived with her in separation and produced illegitimate children, albeit circumstantial evidence, but there is.

So, maybe the father had more reasons to scold his son?

Franziska Schindler died in 1935. According to the parish books - from tuberculous meningitis (meningitis tuberculosis). Oscar was at her funeral, but stood apart from his father, whom he accused of the same thing that he himself did in relation to his wife. Yes, and during the war he left his father to the mercy of fate, despite the fact that he himself led a truly fabulous life.

Old Hans Schindler died after the war in complete poverty in a displaced persons camp at Kisslau near Eichstätt in West Germany.

But the inhabitants of Svitav remember the mother's funeral for completely different reasons. Exactly then Gauner Schindler first appeared in public with Konrad Henlein's Sudeten German party badge in his buttonhole. It was called the Sudetenland-German Patriotic Front (Sudetendeutsche Heimatfront). And in Svitavy, its activists were Julius Honig, Otto Hørash and Rudolf Tirolt.

Konrad Henlein himself appeared more than once in Svitavy at public meetings. In 1934, a meeting of many thousands gathered in Svitavy. Another in 1936. Join the Sudetenland to Germany! Soon, bombs began to explode in the homes of local Germans, but so that no one was accidentally killed. Attacks on the Germans became more frequent, but so that they got off with a slight fright. In German farms, fires began to arise, in which little was burned. All the same, the Czechs will pay for everything, but for now it is necessary to shout to the whole world how they cruelly persecute peaceful Germans.

Adolf Hitler, free us from Czechoslovakia! (Adolf Hitler, mach uns frei von der Tschechoslowakei!)

In this choir there was also a solo for Oskar Schindler. Anti-Semitism played an important role in the program of the Henleinists. In 1936, Rabbi Kantor, frightened by the impunity of the Nazis, left for Belgium with his entire family. Kennelly is attracted by the legend of Oskar Schindler's friendship with the sons of Kantor. What? Did they go to school together? They could very well hate each other!

Oscar again spent the winter from 1936 to 1937 in Berlin and Dresden. This is item 24 on the "Stroke list". He is already directly related to Ilse Pelikanova, with whom Schindler had an official relationship - they were both active and experienced agents. Abwehr.

Item 25 on the "Stroke List" took me to Brno, where from the beginning of 1938 Oskar Schindler worked in a commercial bank (Obchodná Banka) on Veresi street, 30.

And then ... the big white spot.

But do we really know nothing about Schindler's life in 1938?

This text was written in 1999-2001 for publication on the now defunct author's website. Hereinafter, references to persons with whom the author met and talked then may not be relevant at the present time.

All quotations, unless otherwise specified in the text, are given according to the edition of T. Kenally. "Schindler's list"... Erica, 1994, which lacks significant fragments of the English original. The missing fragments are cited in the author's translation from Th. Keneally. Schindler's List... Simon & Schuster, 1994.


Other sources and literature:

SW Dobrowolski. Memuary pacyfisty... Wydawnictwo Literackie, 1994.
Historie, falšovaná Oscary: Do Evropy po Schindlerových zadech. Republika, (9.5. – 15.5.), 1994.
E. Rosenberg. Ich, Emilie Schindler. Erinnerungen einer Unbeugsamen... Herbig, 2001.

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  1. Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 3 May 2021 18: 24
    +8
    so he saved 1200 people or not?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 May 2021 18: 39
      +13
      It seems that they escaped on their own .... At that moment there was no longer any concern for them.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 3 May 2021 18: 45
      +7
      Maki Avvelievich - it turns out that he saved, this is not disputed, the question is, what made an angel out of him in the film, and in life he only lacked hooves for the horns. ..
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 3 May 2021 19: 31
        +4
        Quote: Thrifty
        and in life he only lacked hooves for the horns.

        It is possible that he had this whole set, but he had a business and had workers, saving workers, he saved the business, but in 44 it was already an insurance policy.
        But the fact remains that he saved people from death by faith.
        Schindler spent the rest of his life donating to Schindlerjuden. In 1962, Yad Vashem named him the Righteous One of the World and was buried in the Catholic cemetery on Mount Zion in Jerusalem.
    3. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 3 May 2021 19: 06
      +1
      This is how a new generation is brought up in the countries of the military-political NATO bloc, where lies are passed off as truth. The goal and objectives are to distort memory and forget the crimes between their peoples.
    4. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 3 May 2021 19: 07
      +9
      so he saved 1200 people or not?

      Spas. For the loot. wink
      1. Professor
        Professor 3 May 2021 19: 31
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        Quote: Monster_Fat
        so he saved 1200 people or not?

        Spas. For the loot. wink

        No, not for the money. The Righteous Among the Nations did not save Jews for money.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 3 May 2021 19: 40
          +1
          Oleg, was you personally present?
          1. Professor
            Professor 3 May 2021 19: 57
            -4
            What are the criteria for being awarded the title of Righteous?
            The main conditions for awarding the title are as follows:
            Active participation in saving one or several Jews from the danger of immediate extermination or deportation to death camps.
            There was a real danger for the savior and his loved ones.
            The Savior realized and meant the salvation of the Jew. The actions of the savior were not motivated by the receipt of a monetary reward or other compensation, such as the conversion of the person being saved to another faith, the adoption of a child, etc.
            All of the above is confirmed by the testimonies of survivors, those to whom assistance was provided, or by the availability of suitable documents confirming the fact of salvation and its circumstances.

            https://www.yadvashem.org/ru/righteous/faq.html

            https://righteous.yadvashem.org/?search=%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80&searchType=righteous_only&language=ru&itemId=4017377&ind=1
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 3 May 2021 19: 59
              +3
              Oleg, have you watched the film "Rainbow" or "Come and See" for a long time?
              1. Professor
                Professor 3 May 2021 20: 05
                -2
                Quote: sabakina
                Oleg, have you watched the film "Rainbow" or "Come and See" for a long time?

                Discussing films? I answered your question above.
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 3 May 2021 20: 09
                  +9
                  I'll answer you below. Where were the Jewish partisan units? Should I list the Ukrainian, Belarusian, Russian partisan detachments and formations?
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 3 May 2021 20: 12
                    -8
                    Quote: sabakina
                    I'll answer you below. Where were the Jewish partisan units? Should I list the Ukrainian, Belarusian, Russian partisan detachments and formations?

                    Why would I list them, and what does the Jewish partisan detachments have to do with the article under discussion?
                    https://www.yadvashem.org/ru/education/projects/heftziba-2014/ratushny-partisans.html
                    1. sabakina
                      sabakina 3 May 2021 20: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor

                      Why not list them and how do the Jewish partisan detachments have to do with the article under discussion?

                      Do you want to tell me that the Jews in WWII went to die for a Russian?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 3 May 2021 20: 19
                        0
                        Quote: sabakina
                        Quote: Professor

                        Why not list them and how do the Jewish partisan detachments have to do with the article under discussion?

                        Do you want to tell me that the Jews in WWII went to die for a Russian?

                        You will return to the article, and do not engage in cheap provocations.
                        I have not forgotten my service in the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet. I can send for an adult. As the senior mentors taught in their time. soldier
                      2. sabakina
                        sabakina 3 May 2021 20: 26
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                        Quote: Professor

                        I have not forgotten my service in the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet. I can send for an adult. As the senior mentors taught in their time. soldier

                        Oleg, I grew up in the 331st PDP of the Airborne Forces of the 76th division. I have a darkening in the lung, blood vessels to hell, a microstroke ... But the eye is a diamond. I can't run away, I can cover. So don't scare me!
                    2. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 20: 34
                      +15
                      Quote: sabakina
                      Do you want to tell me that the Jews in WWII went to die for a Russian?

                      About 500 thousand Jews served in the Red Army, 20 thousand Jews took part in the partisan movement. During the Second World War, Jews did not die for Russians or Georgians, they died, like other nations, for the USSR.
                    3. sabakina
                      sabakina 3 May 2021 20: 43
                      +4
                      Alexey, that's exactly what kind of USSR! Oleg served at the ChKF. And where is this Oleg now? I sold both ChKF and my homeland, WHERE I WAS BORN! Alexey, I read and know that there were many Jews who died for the sake of the USSR ... Oleg Sokolov is clearly not going to die for Russia!
                    4. antivirus
                      antivirus 3 May 2021 21: 09
                      +1
                      supposedly our hero was an agent of the Britons. and changed the shoe. .................................................. ............
                      realized the frailty of being.
                      like Wallenberg. according to political views ...
                    5. andreykolesov123
                      andreykolesov123 3 May 2021 23: 03
                      -1
                      Quote: sabakina
                      Alexey, that's exactly what kind of USSR! Oleg served at the ChKF. And where is this Oleg now? I sold both ChKF and my homeland, WHERE I WAS BORN! Alexey, I read and know that there were many Jews who died for the sake of the USSR ... Oleg Sokolov is clearly not going to die for Russia!

                      "Bring down to Israel", "You are guests in Russia, but we are indigenous, do not forget."
                      so your fellow tribesmen loved to trump.

                      And now they remembered about the Motherland.
                    6. Pilat2009
                      Pilat2009 8 May 2021 17: 37
                      0
                      Quote: sabakina
                      Alexey, that's exactly what kind of USSR! Oleg served at the ChKF. And where is this Oleg now? I sold both ChKF and my homeland, WHERE I WAS BORN! Alexey, I read and know that there were many Jews who died for the sake of the USSR ... Oleg Sokolov is clearly not going to die for Russia!

                      Why are you sticking to a man? Few Russians live abroad? Do you think Peskov will die for Russia? Moreover, a Jew. In the Great Patriotic War, they died for the Motherland and Stalin. Who will go to die for Putin and for Chubais now?
                2. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 4 May 2021 11: 53
                  +4
                  Slava, that's enough ... to drive your prosecutor's PURGU. Read about Alexander Pechersky.
              2. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 6 May 2021 22: 24
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Why would I list them, and what does the Jewish partisan detachments have to do with the article under discussion?

                They are related to the discussion of worldview and Truth.
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            3. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 3 May 2021 21: 07
              +4
              Quote: sabakina
              Where were the Jewish partisan detachments? ...

              Belsky brothers, google help.
            4. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 3 May 2021 21: 10
              +6
              [quote =sabakina] Where were the Jewish partisan units? [/ quote]
              The Soviet Union was late with the formation of partisan detachments. The first began around 1941-1942. These groups mostly appeared in the forests, as 6000-8000 Jews were able to escape into the forests. Many did not succeed, but if they did, they joined the Soviet partisan detachments. One of the partisan groups on Soviet territory was the Minsk ghetto. The Minsk ghetto was the fourth largest ghetto in Europe. The group was led by Jewish communists. The group in the Minsk ghetto was supported by the Jewish Council, which allowed them to organize a mass escape to the surrounding forests. This escape freed 6 to 000 Jews who were trying to join the existing guerrilla groups. They were known for their resistance movement. There were a large number of partisan detachments in the Soviet Union, but due to the Soviet record, not much information can be found about them. [8]

              If this is not enough, I can continue.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 3 May 2021 21: 26
                -3
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                If this is not enough, I can continue

                Give a link to the source, for a start, from which the quote is given.
                Then we will discuss lengthy statements about the "Jewish Council". Because this story looks like a Ukrainian partisan detachment with a Jewish party organizer at a distance.
                PS Just do not refer to the "defenders of Tashkent" who publish memoirs in exile ...
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 3 May 2021 21: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Give a link to the source, for a start, from which the quote is given.

                  Read more and GOOGLE to help you.
                  Another topic is being discussed here and it is not necessary, following the example of others, to be diverted to the side.
                2. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 3 May 2021 21: 44
                  -5
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  Read more and GOOGLE to help you.

                  Clever? Do you know foreign words? lol
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  Another topic is discussed here

                  What is this?
                  If you screwed up with the source, admit it. You're not the first to cast your shadow over the fence ...
                3. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 3 May 2021 22: 09
                  -1
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  What is this?

                  Schindler's List: The Life of the Saint Gauner

                  An overview of the activities of Jewish partisans during World War II.

                  Jewish partisans near Pinsk, Belarus, USSR (now Belarus), 1944.

                  Learn about the heroic life of the Belsky brothers and their Jewish resistance group, the Belsky partisans.
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  If you screwed up

                  In order to conduct a dialogue, in addition to impudence, you must have and KNOWLEDGE
              2. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 6 May 2021 22: 27
                +1
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                GOOGLE to help you

                Truth in the Last Instance. Ying Gugol Veritas are shouting.
        2. Petrik66
          Petrik66 3 May 2021 22: 57
          0
          Was there a partisan detachment of Jews in Belarus ?! So what?!
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 4 May 2021 08: 39
            +1
            Quote: Petrik66
            Was there a partisan detachment of Jews in Belarus ?! So what?!

            Nothing special, everyone fought with the Nazis.
            And this was the answer to a question with an unfortunate joke.
            sabakina (Vyacheslav (Russia))
            Yesterday, 20: 09
            I'll answer you below. Where were the Jewish partisan units?
            1. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED 6 May 2021 22: 31
              0
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              de were Jewish

              There were, there were ...
              Illegals, spies, terrorists on the move and some other of them were and at the same time turned out well.
              You can't lie here.
            2. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 7 May 2021 07: 50
              0
              Quote: DED_peer_DED
              Illegals, spies, terrorists on the move and some other of them were and at the same time turned out well.

              Please examples.
              Quote: DED_peer_DED
              You can't lie here.
  • DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 6 May 2021 22: 22
    +3
    What are the criteria for being awarded the title of Righteous?
    The main conditions for awarding the title are as follows:
    Active participation in saving one or several Jews from the danger of immediate extermination or deportation to death camps.

    Salvation of the Jews.
    To save the rest is unrighteous.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 7 May 2021 07: 48
      0
      Quote: DED_peer_DED
      To save the rest is unrighteous.

      This title is conferred by Israel for the salvation of the Jews. this was punishable by death.
      Any other country that finds it necessary to mark for the salvation of its citizens can confer the same title, but I don’t remember such countries. Contact your government with such a request.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 5 May 2021 15: 21
    0
    No, not for the money. The Righteous Among the Nations did not save Jews for money.
    Oleg, was you personally present?
    They won't even save him for the money ........
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 4 May 2021 06: 20
    +1
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Spas. For the loot.

    Well, thanks for that.
    there are people who kill for the loot. and there are those for pleasure.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 3 May 2021 19: 13
    +4
    Political gain and calculating expediency breed myths ...
    And the most disgusting insignificant personalities appear as heroes!

    Well, over time, the truth still comes out, which this article clearly illustrates.
  • Professor
    Professor 3 May 2021 19: 30
    +3
    Quote: Maki Avellievich
    so he saved 1200 people or not?

    Of course he saved. This is an indisputable fact, as well as the fact that he was a crook and at the end of his life he lived in poverty and he was provided with economic assistance by the Jews he saved.




    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 11 May 2021 21: 31
      0
      Professor, what do you think, if by 1944 the bloody Stalin with the terrible red army had not trampled Germany with his heavy boot, your righteous man would have saved someone, or handed over to some Auschwitz for monetary compensation, as part of the final solution of the Jewish question ? wink
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 May 2021 06: 12
        -3
        "and if" the bloody Stalin had not kissed Hitler passionately and had not attacked Poland in 1939 ...
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 14 May 2021 10: 52
          0
          Quote: Professor
          "and if" the bloody Stalin had not kissed Hitler passionately and had not attacked Poland in 1939 ...

          when was Stalin and Hitler kissing passionately? Americans, British, French and Poles (even after they were occupied), and everyone else in Europe and not only, is quite intoxicated, but Stalin then when? Are you really so stupid that you don't understand what you wrote? where in general could the communists be friends with the Nazis? do you understand that these are antagonistic ideologies? here capitalism with Nazism is yes, one whole.

          what claims about the return of the territories occupied by the Poles in 1920?
          Do you have a stream of consciousness, or so, you decided to show off your dullness and lack of education? lol
  • Niko
    Niko 3 May 2021 20: 01
    +5
    Quote: Maki Avellevich
    so he saved 1200 people or not?

    This is not interesting to the author. It seems like not only we like to talk about ... anything
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  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 May 2021 18: 34
    +12
    Each of us has "skeletons in the closet" ... And if any particularly meticulous seeker starts digging, then each of us can find an impartial label. But is it needed, this label?
    Personally, I (maybe not literally) remember the phrase from the movie: who saved one life - saved the whole people.
    Personally, I cannot boast that I saved anyone. There was no case. Not at the risk of your life, in any way. And here, if you believe, 1200 people ...
    Has Hollywood embellished the legend? So be it. But he didn't invent it. And the fact that in order to save people, they had to be exploited. In concentration camps, they were tortured to death. Feel the difference.
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 3 May 2021 18: 44
      +7
      Perhaps you should wait to continue ...
      1. knn54
        knn54 3 May 2021 19: 43
        +5
        Another "great combinator".
        The author of the famous list was a Jewish accountant, Yitzhak Stern, not Schindler.
        The whole city called the young Oskar Schindler "gauner" - "swindler"
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 3 May 2021 20: 27
        +1
        I think it will be even faster.
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 8 May 2021 13: 56
          +1
          We will see ... drinks
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 3 May 2021 18: 50
      +6
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      We all have skeletons in the closet ...
      That's right! What skeletons do we have? Tatar-Mongols, Germans, Swedes, again Germans, Poles, French, and again Germans, I won't even write about different husks. Hike, we will soon have to change the wardrobe! wink
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 3 May 2021 20: 32
        +5
        "Do you have a Slavic wardrobe for sale?" laughing
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 6 May 2021 22: 34
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        Germans again,

        Germans, these were those who could not speak Russian, Danish, Dutch and other Jews.
        Germans are "dumb", unable to explain themselves in Russian.
      3. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 11 May 2021 21: 34
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        What skeletons do we have? Tatar-Mongols, Germans, Swedes, again Germans, Poles, French, and again Germans, I won't even write about different husks.

        there are even zombies pshek! seems to have died but resurrected.
    3. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 3 May 2021 19: 13
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Has Hollywood embellished the legend?

      No, I didn't embellish
      In total, during the war, Oskar Schindler and his associates made seven lists, and four, as you know, still exist. Two are at Yad Vashem in Israel, one is at the United States Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., and one private listing was auctioned off via eBay in 2013. As you understand nowhere and these establishments the freebie will not work.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 11 May 2021 21: 38
        0
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        Two of them are at Yad Vashem in Israel, one is at the US Holocaust Museum in Washington DC

        this is especially nice against the background of the one who conducted business with Germany throughout the war and amassed a lot of capital on this wink
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 11 May 2021 23: 17
          0
          Quote: SanichSan
          this is especially nice against the background of the one who conducted business with Germany throughout the war and amassed a lot of capital on this

          I wrote about it
          He saved his business, the workers who worked for him.
          But it doesn't matter at all, in this case HE SAVED FROM SURE DEATH
    4. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 3 May 2021 20: 20
      +2
      Bravo, Igor!
  • ee2100
    ee2100 3 May 2021 18: 54
    +1
    The only thing that I found quickly "Eastern Europe before the emergence of the ancient Russian state" Paul Neumann, 2018. I'll wait for Dmitry.
    Maybe this is the author of the text.
    The story is entertaining, if it's true.
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 3 May 2021 19: 12
      +1
      It seems true.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 3 May 2021 19: 45
        +1
        Quote: ee2100
        It seems true.

        And what is the truth?
  • Alexey Stepanov
    Alexey Stepanov 3 May 2021 18: 57
    +9
    The real Oskar Schindler. Even his appearance has nothing to do with the cinematic image.


    I didn’t understand here.
    Does the actor have to be a copy of the real character he is playing or what?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 3 May 2021 19: 31
      +11
      Especially our Müller / Bronevoy looks like a true Müller! wink
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 3 May 2021 19: 51
        -2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Especially our Müller / Bronevoy looks like a true Müller! wink

        Don't like Broneva? You wouldn't like Mueller even more if you met him! Want to meet him? wink
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 3 May 2021 20: 50
          +7
          Who knows? Maybe later we will be "steaming" in one pot - I don't look like a righteous man!))) laughing
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 3 May 2021 21: 47
          +2
          Can you arrange?
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 3 May 2021 19: 07
    +3
    A lot of people have a second face and they appear before different people, different faces. But we evaluate them by their actions.
    From your description of the life of Oskar Schindler, I did not understand whether he saved the Jews or not, or for this we need to wait for the continuation.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 3 May 2021 19: 17
    +14
    It's simple. Through Schindler, attempts are made to separate Nazism from atrocities. However, this is not new - let us also recall the persistent attempts of the authorities to separate victory from communism.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 3 May 2021 19: 39
      +6
      Quote: Basarev
      Through Schindler, attempts are made to separate Nazism from atrocities.

      NOT! nobody can ever whiten fascism.
      This is about those people who risked their lives to save others, as for those who saved at least one Jew receive the status of the Righteous Among the World with the right to be considered a citizen of Israel
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 11 May 2021 21: 44
        0
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        This is about those people who risked their lives to save others, as for those who saved at least one Jew receive the status of the Righteous Among the World with the right to be considered a citizen of Israel

        ummm ... I haven’t heard of such a title from Stalin or Zhukov, and indeed from all veterans of the Great Patriotic War.
        Or maybe this title is given only to the elite and convenient? wink
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 11 May 2021 23: 25
          -1
          Quote: SanichSan
          ummm ... I haven’t heard of such a title from Stalin or Zhukov, and indeed from all veterans of the Great Patriotic War.
          Or maybe this title is given only to the elite and convenient?

          For the first time I meet such a "smart" one.
          Stalin was hiding JEWS in his Kremlin and this threatened him and his family with death?
          Did Zhukov hide Jews at headquarters and risk his life at the same time?
          Respected! Go to the bazaar and buy a goose and yes, yes, his brains. laughing
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 14 May 2021 10: 40
            +2
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            For the first time I meet such a "smart" one.

            similarly.
            for the record, Stalin and Zhukov are directly related to the destruction of the fascist regime. Soviet troops liberated the death camps, and not all sorts of schindlers.
            Now let's weigh ...
            some have crushed the system that destroyed the Jews and they are nobody for you, or even enemies.
            others used Jews as slaves in their factories, and when it began to bake in 1944, in order to cover their backs, they decided not to dispose of their slaves, but to take them out, and these are your saints.
            hike you are there not just "smart", but enchantingly "smart"! good
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Stalin was hiding JEWS in his Kremlin and this threatened him and his family with death?

            ha ha ha wassat I still see this picturesque picture. Stalin hides a Jew under his bed in the Kremlin wassat what for? well, just in case, that was. wassat
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Did Zhukov hide Jews at headquarters and risk his life at the same time?

            not that he was hiding ... the Jews served there. not like Schindler's slaves, but quite freely. and they risked their lives together with Zhukov when the headquarters was on the front line. and the fascists were defeated not thanks to the schindlers, who collaborated with the Nazis throughout the war, but in spite of.
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Respected! Go to the bazaar and buy a goose and yes, yes, his brains.

            did the Arabs teach you? belay you are more careful with this lol
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 14 May 2021 11: 21
              -1
              Quote: SanichSan
              you are more careful with this

              With whom with the goose?
              Stalin and Zhukov saved only the Jews NOT THE USSR AND ITS PEOPLE !
              This delirium write to change history THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR
              THE RIGHTEOUS OF THE WORLD, THIS IS A SPECIFIC PERSON WHO, UNBRIGGING WITH HIS DEATH, SPECIFICALLY SAVED AT LEAST ONE JEW
              And besides you it perceives THE WHOLE WORLD
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 14 May 2021 11: 59
                +1
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Stalin and Zhukov saved only Jews, NOT the USSR AND ITS PEOPLE!

                you probably also need clearly ...
                JEWS, NOT ONLY SOVIET, BUT EVERYONE IN EUROPE, ARE SAVED FROM TOTAL DESTRUCTION BY STALIN AND THE RED ARMY. NOT SHINDLER, COOPERATING WITH THE NAZIS AND WHICH WAS AN ACTUAL SLAVE OWNER, BUT STALIN AND THE RED ARMY.
                you in your schiz campaign even surpassed ours with Nicholas II yes
                yes, there were those who hid Jews and risked their lives and they are worthy of respect, but this is definitely not Schindler, who collaborated with the fascist regime. people who hid Jews contributed to the salvation of the Jews, but what is it worth without the defeat of Nazi Germany? another 5 years of life in a basement or a slave at Schindler's enterprise, and then, at best, sterilization, at the worst crematorium in Auschwitz.
                I am actually being killed by a fierce deformation of your logic. those who really saved the Jews from complete annihilation on the territory of Europe are nobody for you, but a friend of the Nazis who collaborated with the Nazis throughout the war and by 1944 understood the end of Hitler, now the Russians will come and it is clear what will happen, and only after that he decided to save his slaves, he is your saint. not those who really saved, but the opportunist, who quite recently calmly used the Jews as slaves.
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                And besides you, the WHOLE WORLD perceives it

                what is "WHOLE WORLD"? the one who was ready to finance even Hitler before the war, if only he attacked the USSR? the same WHOLE WORLD who, until 1944, did not care what they were doing with the Jews in Germany and in the occupied territories? well, okay laughing for those who have lost the habit of thinking, it will do. good
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 3 May 2021 19: 24
    +16
    Yes, to hell with him, this Schindler! Let the Jews deal with him themselves. If they think he saved them, then so be it. What do we care about this? In that horror, even people who are saved in this way are still people who are saved. The choice was not that great.
  • ironic
    ironic 3 May 2021 19: 41
    +6
    Even I can't find this author point-blank. And the text is kind of dumb, ranging from such a drama about obtaining rights, to the difference in the names Altvatter or Altwasser and digging in family matters. He was a bad family man and a rake. He was not ranked among the righteous of the world for this, but for saving people from death. If there is a specific claim on this point, then why not state them, full stop, and zanafiga to conduct this political training? The fact that he was an agent of the Abwehr, is that news? Chet is not right here ...
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 4 May 2021 11: 57
      +5
      The fact that he was an agent of the Abwehr

      And what kind of analytics - I got the rights further than 65 km. - an agent of the Abwehr, was in Berlin - an agent of the Abwehr. Shpakovsky won whole photo reports from Europe, including from the Czech Republic. Was it Shpakovsky who "handed over" Petrov and Bashirov to the Czech counterintelligence? The dregs are complete. Recently there was an article for Marinesco, he loved women and strong drinks - from this he became a "bad" submariner?
      1. ironic
        ironic 4 May 2021 12: 01
        0
        Well, that's why I wrote. Some kind of dumb style and in general where it was found is not clear.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 3 May 2021 20: 53
    +3
    Rare "yellowness" material! Already in the nose shibanulo ammonia!
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 3 May 2021 20: 59
    -3
    Hereinafter, references to persons with whom the author met and talked then may not be relevant at the present time ...

    Well, how convenient it is.
    That is, "there is evidence, but we will not show it to you."
    Where have I heard this before? what
    1. Paul Neumann
      11 May 2021 20: 13
      +1
      I have been trying for twenty years to publish the materials of my investigation in various places. in twenty years, alas, a lot can change.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 May 2021 21: 01
    +3
    It doesn't take long to come up with myths, but it's hard to debunk.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 3 May 2021 21: 18
    +5
    This article is a copy-paste of the publication of a certain M. Arushev from 2008.
    https://youcas.ucoz.ru/publ/9-1-0-4

    Really, in the editorial portfolio of publications there was nothing more but such dried and frank jaundice?
    1. Iris
      Iris 8 May 2021 00: 58
      0
      Looked at the link to the original article - a long unsubstantiated dirty trick, so, it seems, is not finished. It is not clear, in principle, to whom and why it was necessary to smear the name of Schindler with mud.
      But why reprint this fossil nonsense on VO is even less understandable.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 8 May 2021 07: 40
        0
        Quote: Iris
        Looked at the link to the original article - a long unsubstantiated dirty trick, so, it seems, is not finished. It is not clear, in principle, to whom and why it was necessary to smear the name of Schindler with mud.
        But why reprint this fossil nonsense on VO is even less understandable.

        This author is published on VO under two names at once - this dirt as Paul Neumann, and quite decent historical articles as Mikhail Arushev. (See recent publications on Napoleon in the history section). I have already spoken about this somewhere. Why the Editors need this, I do not know. As a rule, they do not allow old reprints here, especially, obvious jaundice with a foul smell.
        According to the link I gave, an article by this Arushev. It seems that he is not a stupid person and seeing the disapproving reaction of quite a few, he will refuse to continue publishing this crap.
        hi
        1. Iris
          Iris 10 May 2021 03: 33
          +1
          Thanks for the info. I will look closely at the publications of this author.
  • 547807955
    547807955 3 May 2021 22: 00
    +3
    Greetings from Israel! Happy Easter! Thanks to the author, Schindler's elevators are a hundred times better than the Israeli Elektra. Israel has been making money from myths for a long time (see the Gospel)
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 3 May 2021 22: 32
      0
      Quote: 547807955
      Schindler elevators are a hundred times better than Israeli Electra

      Credit!
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  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 4 May 2021 07: 53
    0
    it is not clear from where all this was excavated, the young man lived and did not write diaries, where he studied, what he did is unknown, but he lived ... the article is not finished
  • Antokha
    Antokha 4 May 2021 17: 53
    +3
    This whole story of the relationship between Jews and Hitler is very dark, so they are trying to figure it out. The Russians are different. Hitler said that we must be destroyed, and it was just done. And who would have thought of saving the Russians? The Russians must rescue. Save people, as the comments say.
    People, whose main weapon is a lie, deserve the most thorough examination, because on their lies they build dogmas, which are then forbidden not only to refute, but even to doubt them.
    1. Iris
      Iris 10 May 2021 04: 30
      +1
      Hitler did not say that we need to be destroyed. He said we should be kept in small numbers as a factor in preserving German morale. Drive behind the Urals, and leave them to live in dugouts and wage a partisan war, so that the Wehrmacht does not degenerate after the final victory. But the Jews and two more nations (which, by the way - do you know?), Here they are, yes - it was supposed to be destroyed in principle, to the last carrier of the gene pool. Not that our fate according to this plan was enviable, but there was still a difference between it and the “final solution of the issue”.