Communist agitators and propagandists of the 80s

"Lecturer from the Dissemination Society" from the movie "Carnival Night". A very evil satire. Personally, I have not met such here. But ... I met many of those who were just hard to listen to. Especially at the grassroots level such as factory political informers and agitators on farms ...

"Next Saturday, almost the whole city gathered to listen to the word of God ..."
(Acts of the Apostles 13: 44)

Memories of the recent past. And it happened that not very long ago, although more than a month ago, a conversation began on the VO about what the communist propagandists were doing in the 80s of the last century, that is, on the eve of 1991. It is clear that they were doing what they were ordered from above. There is such a concept - party discipline. And, fulfilling her requirements, you do not need to be too clever: once a private, do it. But these are all just words. And many, probably, wanted to know about what and how they were doing more specifically.

And what? Everyone who is interested in this is very lucky, because I have such information at my disposal. Moreover, not in one region, but in three at once: Penza, Saratov and Kuibyshev (now Samara). And this information is from the archives of the OK KPSS, that is, it cannot be more reliable. All the figures and facts given in the article will be links to archival materials. So you can check everything. And just as a drop of water can make a conclusion about the presence of the ocean, so according to the data of these three regions, it is quite possible to imagine the situation on the territory of the entire Union.

As a department assistant stories Since 1983, the CPSU of the Penza Polytechnic Institute, I, one might say, automatically got into the lecturers of the Lenin RK CPSU. We, middle-level lecturers, were regularly lectured by lecturers from Moscow. And I wrote down some of what they said. And here is one of the pages. In 1984, we were told about the complete immorality of the Americans. But ... for some reason, fewer children out of wedlock were born there than here. Their population is 235,8 million people. Our population is 273,8 million people. That is, the morality of both them and us in terms of the number of illegitimate children turned out to be ... the same.

So, the concern of the party bodies, starting from the OK, the RK and the primary party organizations (in addition to the economy) was agitation and propaganda, that is, information support for the implementation of the party's policy. The goal was as follows: the formation of a Marxist-Leninist worldview, class consciousness, intransigence to bourgeois ideology, an organic need for mastering modern knowledge, raising the level of moral culture, developing high moral qualities, strengthening the fight against manifestations of individualism, indiscipline, immoral behavior [1] ... this required increasing the professionalism of radio, television, press workers and their own moral qualities [2]. It was important to note the reaction of the workers, that is, how positively they relate to the policy of the party. And such a reaction was observed.

So, in the "Information on organizational and ideological activities" for 1985, received by the OK of the CPSU of the Penza region, the responses of the workers of the Penza region to the visit of the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU Mikhail Gorbachev were given, among which there is the following:

“With a feeling of deep interest I received the news about Mikhail Gorbachev’s trip to France,” said VM Burov, a locomotive depot locomotive depot in Penza-Sh, “when American imperialism intends to transfer the arms race to outer space” [3].

It was planned to raise the economic consciousness of the workers, as well as their sense of responsibility, with lectures. In 1985, the lecturer group of the Penza OK of the CPSU was instructed to prepare lectures on the following topics: "Developed socialist society - a society of true democracy" communal services of the city of Penza ”[4].

In 1986, lectures were given on the following topics: "Labor accomplishment of workers of the region - to the XXVII Party Congress", "XXVII Congress of the CPSU and the tasks of the workers of the region", "Decisions of the XXVII Congress of the CPSU in the work and in the life of every labor collective, every worker", "Time and Harvest without losses, create a reliable forage base - the main tasks of the agro-industrial complex worker ”[5]. In general, there are only solid "mantras". Because it is already clear and understandable that you need to work well, because they pay for a good job, and not for a marriage. Because housing and communal services should provide water and heat, and livestock without feed at all ... will not last.

This is understandable today. But then, for some reason, it was believed that such an "ideological trick" is extremely necessary for the working people, that it must be constantly reminded of this, and that without such lectures it is impossible in any way.

Here is an interesting cut from the Politagitator magazine. How bad "there" is. And nearby, for the first time, information about the number of drug addicts in the USSR, including children, was reported to us. Moreover, the note says that there were 2 million homeless people in the United States at that time. We were told that it was already 3.

These lectures were read on “Lenin's Fridays”. Moreover, an analysis of the funds of the regional committee of the CPSU of the Penza region shows that since 1986 the department of propaganda and agitation began to record the “sharp questions” that were asked on these “Lenin's Fridays”. In 1985, there are no data on such questions at all. In 1986 they are there, but not enough. And since 1987, their volume has been growing sharply. Moreover, it is funny that the lecturer reads about one thing, and he is asked questions about something completely different. Roughly speaking, what's on the mind is on the tongue.

Here is the topic of the lecture on the Zheleznodorozhny district of the city of Penza on August 3, 1987:

"The June plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the tasks of the working people of the region to deepen perestroika." There are a lecturer of the RK, two speakers from the RK and three people from the city committee of the CPSU. And here are the questions asked to the speaker:

"What is the expression of the restructuring at our precast concrete plant?"
"Why do buses No. 1 and 4 run badly?"
"When will the road to the settlement of Soglasie be asphalted?"
"Will the percentage of housing for piano factory workers be increased?"

And further:

"Who is to blame for the fact that there are no cookies, gingerbread, rice and other goods on the shelves of shops in our city?"
"On whom does the poor performance of transport during peak hours depend?"
“In the bakery store on the street. K. Zetkin a small assortment of bread, and they bring it late ... Will these shortcomings be eliminated? "

But besides the "everyday" people asked very acute questions of a social plan: "How can we explain the stagnation in our economy?", "How many drug addicts are there in Penza?"

And here are the questions on “Lenin's Friday” of August 19, 1988: “When will the local Soviets be the real power on the ground?”, “Where did the washing powder, caramel and items of women's toilet go?”, “What is the reason for the shortage of gasoline in the city?” , "How will each family get a separate apartment in 2000?" [6].

Well, and in Saratov in January 1986, they came up with a single political day throughout the region, at which a lecture was to be delivered: “A world without wars, without weapons - the ideal of socialism ". That is, "the topic is about nothing," because this does not depend on the workers of the region. But for the implementation of plans for this political day, the forces of lecturers of the OK, RK, university teachers and lecturers of the Knowledge Society were thrown [7].

Moreover, this work also noted shortcomings: a formal approach, a narrow topic of lectures in a youth audience, a lack of counter-propaganda in the media. It was noted that the majority of young people are critical of the Komsomol [8].

Data on drunkenness in the USSR (on the left the phrase "including babies" is pasted over), and on the right - on the technical equipment of our vocational schools

But can we say that the indoctrination of the same youth was poorly placed or insufficient?

For example, only in the Penza region in one year (from 1985 to 1986) there were 92 schools of young communists, 169 political schools, 2366 schools of the foundations of Marxism-Leninism (this is, in general, beyond the limit, right?). And another 1279 schools of scientific communism, 31 - a school of party and economic activists, ideological activists - 62, theoretical seminars - 98, methodological seminars - 30, the University of Marxism-Leninism - 1. And in total, 5350 people passed through these structures in a year [9] ...

And in Syzran in 1987 more than 5 thousand young men and women studied Marxist-Leninist theory and issues of foreign and domestic policy [10].

The term of study at the same university of Marxism-Leninism was calculated for two years. In 1987-1988. 1600 people passed through it. 638 people graduated from the training. 730 people were transferred to the second course. 870 people were admitted again. But what courses were studied there: "The problem of accelerating the socio-economic development of the country", "Lenin's doctrine of communist morality", "The skill of public speaking." Frankly, they were not designed to prepare people for fundamental changes in Soviet society. Studying the history of the CPSU and scientific atheism also could not prepare the people for the reforms necessary for the transition to a market economy. Why did so many of our citizens turn out to be socially disoriented afterwards [11].

But in each region there was also a House of Political Education under the OK KPSS. There were organized internships for the head. offices of political education of party committees in production, seminars of propagandists of scientific communism, days of political books and posters, and much more.

In 1987-1988 alone, the DPP had 13540 people on its list of listeners - a very impressive figure. Of these, 17 propagandists, 12 speakers were trained (and even an exam was arranged for them - an "open lecture" in the presence of an instructor of the Republic of Kazakhstan and a methodologist of the DPP), 22 primary-level lecturers, 33 political informers and 73 agitators [12].

1983 page. There is a lot of interesting information here. There is no Gorbachev yet, there is no "lesson of truth", but we have already been named - for the first time (!) The main contradiction of socialism. It, it turns out, was the difference between the increased capabilities of our society and their use. And here - the losses in 1982 due to violations of labor discipline: 50 million man-days and the amount of losses - 5,5 billion rubles. And above - "until 1995 the growth of the labor force will decline." That is, there are 2 pensioners for one working person. And how to intensify labor if no one wants to work? By 1991, they came up with how ... As for the drawings of cruise missiles, at that time they only talked about them, and showed films about them where they fly around the terrain. And everyone was afraid of them. For example, I was constantly asked at lectures, do we have anything to bring them down?

So lecturers, agitators, propagandists, political informers were preparing for work in the field. And even the management of communications was carried out - information was collected about what people think and about what they want.

At the same time, in the secret report of the party commission of the Kamensky district of the Penza region for 1986, it was reported that morality and ethics among the communists are not up to par. The negligence of workers and employees was noted, people abused their official position, such phenomena as drunkenness, theft, embezzlement, loss and damage of party cards flourished (and in 1986 perestroika as such had not yet begun), separation from the party organization. For all this, 20 people were expelled from the party [13].

That is, what happened? It turns out that for many people it became simply difficult to live with a double morality, because propagandists and agitators said one thing, but in life they saw something completely different. And we had to do exactly the opposite. So it would not be an exaggeration to say that it was precisely due to the massive processing of the public consciousness of Soviet citizens and their lack of real opportunities to receive information from abroad and read the literature hidden in the special storage of Leninka that the party leadership in our country lasted so long. But in the end it also turned out to be untenable.

And how exactly this manifested itself in this region will be described in the next article.

To be continued ...

List of used archival sources:

1. State archive of socio-political history (Samara region), further: GASPI. Fund 656, 0.189. Case No. 10. S. 5
2. Ibid. Fund 656, 0.189. Case No. 201. Minutes 23. S. 1
3. Department of funds of social and political organizations at the state archive of the Penza region, further OPPO GAPO. Fund 148. Inventory 1. Case No. 6898. S. 156
4. Ibid. Fund 148. Inventory 1. Case No. 6992. P. 195
5. Ibid. Fund 148. Inventory 1. Case No. 7014. P. 174
6. Ibid. Fund 148. Inventory 1. Case No. 7171. P. 169
7. Center for Documentation of the Contemporary History of the Saratov Region, further CDNI. Fund 594. Inventory 49. Case No. 161. S. 1
8. GASPI. Fund 656. Inventory 195. Case No. 71, protocol No. 47. P. 16
9. OFOPO GAPO. Fund 148. Inventory 1. Case No. 6902. S. 42
10. GASPI. Fund 656. Inventory 195. Case No. 81, protocol No. 47. P. 16
11. OFOPO GAPO. Fund 148. Inventory 1. Case No. 7177. S. 30
12. Ibid. Fund 148. Inventory 1. Case No. 7717. P. 219
13. Ibid. Fund 148. Inventory 1. Case No. 7031. P. 166

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

ABOUT! There will be something to read on the way home!))
Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! Have a great upcoming weekend!

[Catfish]

Hurray for the immortal lecturer Nekadilov !!! Favorite character, without his participation the film is not worth watching.

Vyacheslav, with the onset of Spring! Good and kind days.

[Prisoner]

This is for nothing. And Ilyinsky, and Zeldin, and ... In short, a whole galaxy of luminaries.

[vladcub]

Ilyinsky is something: he was still a star of silent cinema.
Zeldin is certainly a talent, but he is a talkie star

[ee2100]

Good evening, Constantine!
I read about Filippov. He loved to "lay", went to get drunk on the corner of Nevsky and Fontanka (if I am mistaken, let the St. Petersburg ones correct me) and, entering this institution, talked: Raise my eyelids!
What are the times, such are the actors!

[Catfish]

Hi Sasha!
Yes, he has every role, no matter how small it may be, is a real masterpiece.

And his Kisa is simply incomparable!

[Phil77]

Hello friends!
And in military uniform?

Downstairs, of course, in the police station.
One of the many outstanding Soviet actors.

[ee2100]

Hello, Sergey!
Well, neither yours nor ours ... I'm glad for the Vanguard.

[Phil77]

Good evening Alexander!
Objectively? By right! I liked them!

[ee2100]

I agree. Really a team!

[Catfish]

One of the many outstanding Soviet actors.

Still, perhaps one of the few. There were many good actors, only a few talented ones.

"Well, bastard, got caught !?"

[Phil77]

But I disagree. The list will be, well, very impressive.

[ee2100]

Kostya, what can I say, just grumble, the era is gone! Below Phil added another photo, well, the man was drinking, but what a Mahina, what a talent!
As according to Stanislavsky - I believe! I believe all his characters!

[Catfish]

Yes, the era is gone. I am not a walker in theaters, and where is it here, although my whole current life is one continuous theater. And there is nothing to say about cinema - faceless.

[ee2100]

Literally today we discussed this issue with Nikolai, yours is a tailed one, the opinion is one to one. But we started with the film "The Monk and the Devil".

[Catfish]

I have not seen this film, something lately only pulls me to revise the old ones.

[ee2100]

We recommend a duet - take a look! And report back!
No, really a philosophical film.
There are none today.

[3x3zsave]

Yes there is! But Uncle Kostya won't watch them!

[ee2100]

We ask - it will be

[3x3zsave]

I already asked. Refused.

[Catfish]

And what movie are you talking about?

[Catfish]

You are very self-confident, young man.

[ee2100]

We are about the film "The Monk and the Devil" Kostya, spend 1,5 hours of your invaluable time and look and if we are wrong in yours ask "baksheesh"

[Catfish]

There will be a mood, I'll take a look, until somehow I'm not drawn to the cinema at all.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: ee2100

We are about the film "The Monk and the Devil"

(2016) The film is interesting, but
Lungin Island 2006 an order of magnitude stronger.

[Phil77]

Oh, and I agree with you!
And what is the team in this film! Sukhorukov, Usatova, Kuznetsov, Dyuzhev. And of course, Pyotr Mamonov! Handsome! How he played, devil! Convincingly.

[vladcub]

I also prefer to watch Soviet and Western films before 1978-79. They are, perhaps, more modestly filmed than later ones, but of high quality.

[3x3zsave]

Oh yeah! Hitchcock still takes a soul.

[Phil77]

Happy Holidays, Svyatoslav!

[ee2100]

"This is the May-spoiled man, this May-magician blows his fresh fan! .."
Kisa

[Phil77]

By the way, Alexander, is an interesting topic of conversation. Here are some Soviet actors.

Great? Undeniable. Talantis? Undoubtedly. But if the people's love for Alexei Smirnov and Boris Novikov is difficult to deny. What about Alla Demidova and Innokenty Smoktunovsky? Their talent is invaluable, but only their ardent admirers could confess their love to them. You see, right?

[ee2100]

Yes, I agree 1000%. But our time has passed and this was our time, just as we are leaving. And our jokes and our films, disassembled into quotes, no one will understand them. And this, unfortunately, is normal.
Remember our parents

[japs]

I agree with you. our time is gone. But we are still alive. But the films will remain. Quotes got into dictionaries and even "buzzers" by googling, will find the correct meaning. Nothing remains in the past without a trace. Lecturer from "Carnival Night" masterpiece. Filipoa is incomparable. This is satire under heavy censorship. Now there is no censorship. Everything is possible. Both cinema and theater are dead ...

[Phil77]

* cinema and theater are dead ... *
Let's be optimists, a period of renaissance always comes after a time of decline. We wait and believe. But for now ... but for now, one of my favorite phrases about Soviet actors playing better and better. God, how I dream of knowing the author of this aphorism !!!
Happy May Day!

[ee2100]

If I'm not mistaken, Alla Demidova watched her in the play "Glass of Water" at the Komissarzhevskaya Theater, on Liteiny. I didn’t understand anything, but when “someone” fell to his knees in front of Demidova and his sword bent, there was laughter in the audience, but he got up, straightened his sword and said “Byavet” it was something!

[Phil77]

Not quite so. This is a frame from the 1979 film of the same name / directed by Yuri Karasik /.
The selection of actors I got, of course, turned out a little strange, but in my opinion this is a kind of cut of society. Brightly expressed actors from the people and actors-intellectuals. We will not touch the image of Detochkin, okay?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Phil77

What about Alla Demidova and Innokenty Smoktunovsky? Their talent is invaluable, but only their ardent admirers could confess their love to them.

What nonsense, what insane statements? It is possible to "powder" the brains of today's youth with these "speeches"! But I remember how the people loved these and other artists! And how they were not "ashamed" to show them their love!
PS One gratitude to Phil and others like him ... they still force me to write a "detailed" commentary on Shpakovsky's article ... although at first I was not going to do it; since again I have (according to the "law of meanness"?) With time now " tugovat "!

[Phil77]

However, it's a bit sharp. But I remember the opposite. That these actors did not enjoy much love. And where is * nonsense *? Did I somehow insult them? Allow myself to doubt their talent? And above I explained my point of view.
I will add that there is a difference between love for an artist and his talent.

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: ee2100

corner of Nevsky and Fontanka

Actually, there are no taverns at the corner of Nevsky and Fontanka, as if there weren't any. The Beloselsky-Belozersky Palace, the Zhdanov Poner Palace, the Literary House and some kind of gastromous or something like that. There is a little further - about a hundred meters towards the Fountain House. But not far away on Nevsky, there is the Leningrad House of Actors, and there is a buffet in it.
As if there was a tavern at the corner of Nevsky and Moika, even now it seems to be there, like they are portraying continuity. Also, some kind of iconic place, but I don't remember what it's connected with. Some literary celebrities were still sitting there almost during the "golden age".

[ee2100]

Hi Michael!
You are younger than me, I don't remember what was there in Soviet times, but this is Nevsky 66 (Google) before that there was an oriental restaurant.
This is where Igor Filippov went (I may be wrong) in his memories this is a glass

[Phil77]

Buddy! Igor?

[Catfish]

Sasha, "Carnival Night" has beguiled you. Igor is Ilyinsky, and Filippov is Sergey, like our Phil.

[ee2100]

Confused, it happens. I don't look at Wikipedia. Sprinkle some ashes or something nicer on my head. Hope I'm sorry!

[Catfish]

I remember the names of such artists as Sergei Filippov without a wiki. My mood always rises when I see him on the screen, no matter who he plays, and even the last scoundrel.

[Catfish]

Ponerov named after Zhdanov,

Didn't they pour it there? Hi Michael!

[3x3zsave]

corner of Nevsky and Fontanka
Too far to stomp from "Alexandrinka". At all times and closer they poured.
My compliments, Alexander!

[ee2100]

We must decide on a place of residence! And after that, build a "booze" route.
Good evening!

[3x3zsave]

Eh, no, Alexander!
I still found those "blessed" times when "theatrical" drank and hungover at the service, and at home - just caught up.
Meanwhile, it was considered unacceptable even for installers to go boozy on the stage.

[ee2100]

I had two good friends who worked as stage mechanics at the Mariinsky. One stayed and was in demand, the stage technician - he knew all the performances, and the second left.
But I never heard from them that someone came to work drunk!
It was always a part-time job and people in Soviet times held on to it.
The chief was the stage operator.
I won't say about the actors, but I filmed in masking with Strizhelik and I can say 100% percent, after the take at sea, it was May, he dived into the water and after a glass of vodka and in a car in St. Petersburg.

[3x3zsave]

So to speak. "Mariinka" and "Alexandrinka" are two big differences! I once tried to get a job at the Mariinsky. Not taken, precisely because of my experience in Alexandrinka.

[ee2100]

I was offered, but at that time I had a decent and stable income, I refused.
A friend went on tour to Spain and, like everyone else, he received $ 20 per diem.
What else could you dream of in the early 80s
The question is not this, but what Shpakovsky wants to get away from, if you did not knock, then you could not penetrate anywhere (this is both the Mariinsky and Shpakovsky's candidate)
And I was offered a certain career. But no.

[3x3zsave]

So stop! There are two points.
You and Shpakovsky have different education. And what the Komsomol leaders of the "alma mater" called you to, may not correspond to the experience of Shpakovsky.

[ee2100]

Well, what the hell, I wanted to write "for nonsense", no, just at that time rowing one size fits all.
Somewhere the teeth were less frequent, but somewhere more often.
That's the whole story

[3x3zsave]

The second moment, in the "degree" of knocking.
It is one thing to listen to Galich's recordings, and another thing to talk about the Novocherkassk execution.

[ee2100]

Everything has passed, this will also pass.
The Novocherkassk shooting is a turned page and stirring up means poking around in a new way and again on a sick person.
What is not clear to you in this matter?

[3x3zsave]

I do not understand the attitude of the authorities to the aspirations of the "electorate"

[japs]

I will not get involved in a respected argument, I work in the theater. The stage worker is called the assembler.
Their boss is called the head of the assembly shop. Remember, friends, the unforgettable 12 chairs. Money in the morning, chairs ...

[Ross xnumx]

That is, what happened? It turns out that many people just find it hard to live with a double morality, because propagandists and agitators said one thing, but in life they saw something completely different. And we had to do exactly the opposite.

Today the picture is completely different. We used to know (guess and guess) why. Today we don’t know anything, and we don’t even know why. And I, for example, was interested in such a question, how is this possible:

They lied then, they lie now ... they stole less ...

[Gvardeetz77]

So 90% of goods with euphonious names are from the Middle Kingdom. In a simple way, one of the options: Vasya opened "Horns and Hooves" for trade, well, there are tools, went (signed on the Internet) to a plant in China and ordered tools marked "horns and hooves", and here he sells them in full growth. In your example, it is also indicated that China, to be honest, I took a thermos and a thermobox Arctic a couple of years ago, so there was not a word about the PRC, like everything is native, but in fact (though the quality is good, apparently the directors choose where to hang the label ) .... And this is one of many schemes, the simplest, therefore, with import substitution, especially in light (light) industry, it is not better than under the Union.
But what to go far, the Chief of the Signal Corps and the routers google ...

[vladcub]

I have an iron thermos: "Arctic" is an excellent thermos. For the fourth year already. When I bought it, I knew that It was Chinese, but it was made strictly according to the given parameters.

[Gvardeetz77]

I did not write that it was bad, for two years the operating mode "every day" (we brew tea in it) just on the site (not small) it was indicated "Russian TM" (well, they did not lie, yes), but about the thermobox clearly, made in Russia, although also from China (sent with a broken mount, in search of spare parts I reached the site of the plant producing them, and there is information about cooperation with any TM).

[Yura]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

just on the site (not small) it was indicated "Russian TM" (well, they did not lie, yes), but about the thermobox clearly, made in Russia, although also from China (sent with a broken mount, in search of spare parts I reached the site of the plant, their producing, and there is information about cooperation with any TM).

Yes, now there are Russian citizens who register their enterprise in our country, develop a model, design, patent, the name of the brand, for example, a hairdryer, drill or walk-behind tractor, then conclude an agreement with a Chinese manufacturer. In China, a plant or a factory does everything as stipulated by the terms of reference, then the customer sells his products, but made in China himself.

[depressant]

Yuri Vasilievich, good evening! )))
I have a mobile phone and at least how you twist it, the image of the hair dryer is small, except for the name, nothing is impossible to read. Can you explain what you wanted to say with this photo?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: depressant

Can you explain what you wanted to say with this photo?

Good morning, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! For a long time you have not been seen in the topics.
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This is me about the lies about the development of domestic industry. Either "iotaphons" are produced in China, then building hair dryers with Russian names and labels, then electronic components for space and other equipment are purchased at flea markets, then Chinese diesel engines are installed on Russian RTOs ...
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Quote: kalibr

They stole more, they just didn't write about it ... Now they write ...

What are you talking about? Have you forgotten how it was in the USSR?

And then it was impossible not only to hide billions of rubles in an apartment, but the very existence of an apartment (not the only one) could raise a number of questions with confiscation. And the laws were about parasitism, and about speculation, and the famous "butterfly" - "Violation of the rules on currency transactions" ... And "Antibiotic" could appear only after the collapse of the USSR with its arguments about the bicycle and carriages. Then there was no one to tell about the cars. Either “they smeared their forehead with green stuff,” or “they unweaved their socks and made a noose,” or they sawed through the forest until they turned blue, if they didn't have time to jump out of the window or shoot a bullet in the head with a nominal revolver.
They didn't even talk about a brick dacha, not to mention palaces. Therefore, there were "palaces of pioneers" and "palaces of culture", and not the palace belonging to Rotenberg near Gelendzhik. In the nature of the USSR, even the owner of something tangible with such a surname could not be a priori. Therefore, there were Aksyonovs, Andropovs and other Berezovsky and Kirienko.
Don't tell me about the USSR. Have seen enough of the "Golden Calf". In the USSR, those who had money tried to convert it into gold or currency in order to escape from the country on the sly. As soon as someone leaned out, either the guys from the OBKHSS, or the KGB officers, or the police came to him and brought constitutional order.

[kalibr]

Quote: ROSS 42

They didn't even talk about a brick dacha, not to mention palaces

It will be for you and about it!

[depressant]

Vyacheslav Olegovich, let's have this topic, I have something to say! The Internet hides the ends in the water, those that got out in the 90s, when the press poured into the ears of the population everything that it could get hold of. Now you will not find much, if not you will find it at all. But there is something in my memory - what the regional committee agitator told about at meetings of political education, where everyone was driven, and in the 90s it was finally clear what he meant.

[kalibr]

Quote: ROSS 42

They lied then, they lie now ... they stole less ...

They stole more, they just didn't write about it ... Now they write ...

[Svarog]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: ROSS 42

They lied then, they lie now ... they stole less ...

They stole more, they just didn't write about it ... Now they write ...

Did you steal more? And where, let me find out what they stole? Legalized how? Now it is clear they are buying up real estate over the hill, yachts ... dozens of apartments, cars ... And then where could a Soviet person withdraw such amounts? Can you explain? They stole then definitely significantly less than today, there was no theft at all.

[kalibr]

Quote: Svarog

Can you explain? They stole then definitely significantly less than today, there was no theft at all.

Do you think I will not explain what you are asking such difficult questions? Let me remind you that here I had an article on the materials of the OK CPSU of Penza, where the personal affairs of the communists were examined. And there are a lot of cases like: the head of the canteen stole ... three firepots, a factory worker stole material for scarves ... Remember the "Sochi business", "cotton business", "trophy business". It was just that the structure of theft was different. They stole a lot "for little things". But do you think that just the little things is not theft? They stole meat at meat-packing plants ... And the Kuibyshev candy factory was unlimited. That is, she was given as much raw material as she asked for. Do you know why? Because the imported equipment on it did not work on margarine, with which the workers replaced butter. And the oil was taken home. But theft in any form is theft. And its total volumes were exceptionally large. If you are a Muscovite, there is an archive of the Ministry of Internal Affairs not far from the NOVODMITROVSKAYA metro station. There's a lot about it. I just looked there out of the corner of my eye ... but I had enough impressions. Or here: the norm for attracting research work in the 9th five-year period in universities was 5-7%. In Kuai - 12%. But in a note to the Central Committee of the CPSU from the Central Committee of the Komsomol, it was indicated that, according to data from Central Asia, more than 100% of students were involved in the research work there. They are given money for this ... but this cannot be! Is this not theft at the state level? But did someone sit down? No one! "East is a delicate matter". So don't, that's when you write to me that you were in the archives of the OK KPSS of your place of residence and worked with documents about ... theft. I will listen to your opinion .... While this is the opinion of a poorly informed man in the street.

[Svarog]

So don't, that's when you write to me that you were in the archive of the OK KPSS of your place of residence and worked with documents about ... theft

So much has been written .. but the question has not been answered ... Where did the stolen things go .. what do the archives tell you ..? Will you answer or will you boast again?

[kalibr]

Quote: Svarog

Where did they take the stolen goods .. what do the archives tell you ..

Where did they go about the stolen goods in the cotton business, in the Sochi business, in the "deli business"? Where did the Asians do their money for research work? How do I know? You open the Network, type "cotton business", "Sochi business", "trophy business". Is it accessible to your level of information perception? And if I knew where they were doing all this ... I didn't write here now. And people ate the stolen butter and chocolate from the Kuibyshev factory, and they ate meat ...

[Svarog]

How do I know? You open the Network, type "cotton business", "Sochi business", "trophy business"

But then how can you claim to have stolen more? Cotton all sorts of things fade in front of Colonel Zakharchenko .. and this is just a colonel .. You in the USSR knew the colonel from whom the money was taken out of the house by KAMAZ? 8,5 billion rubles from a small fry.
When you claim that they stole more in the USSR, please, give specific values ​​... otherwise it's all from the series of Svanidze, Kiselev ... and other liberal propagandists ...

[kalibr]

You have already been told that the structure of theft was different. And in the cotton business, gold was found in barrels. Learn to read not only yourself and use the Internet.

[Svarog]

Quote: kalibr

You have already been told that the structure of theft was different.

Would you like to say that everyone stole ... and that's why more? But now the elite are stealing and even more ..

Learn to read not only yourself and use the Internet.

I am sure that you yourself do not follow this advice. Wouldn't hurt ..

[kalibr]

You cannot be sure of this. But I can be 100% sure that you will never go to your party archive and you will never read anything there.
Your destiny is to use secondary information and depend on journalists who do not always have access to primary information themselves.

[Svarog]

Quote: kalibr

Your destiny is to use secondary information and depend on journalists who do not always have access to primary information themselves.

You are an amazing person .. You blasted nonsense .. (about the fact that they stole more in the USSR) could not give evidence in numbers .. could not answer the question of where the stolen went .. because if more than now, then the then thieves could to buy the state .. But at the same time tell about my destiny ..
You must understand that this looks very (to put it mildly) not serious .. And if you are applying for a judge of last resort, be ready to answer specific questions .. and your links to know-it-all and archives cannot convince anyone, without numbers and logical completion of what you said ..
I use not only information from the Internet .. and mind you, I do not dispute the fact that they stole in the USSR .. I dispute the fact that they stole substantially, several orders of magnitude less than now .. while giving clear logical arguments .. But in response, I see only bragging, omniscience and an attempt to impose my authority ... I have no authorities, except for those who are faithful to their word and sound logic, who argue with numbers and facts.
I repeat once again, you write well, and sometimes it's just wonderful, on all topics, except the USSR .. don't touch the USSR, the greatness of socialist Russia is so undeniable that today's Russia is just a pitiful cooperative ..

[kalibr]

Quote: Svarog

the greatness of socialist Russia is so undeniable

Aha! Undeniable. And where did it go? Everything is like Lenin's. He wrote about the tinsel power of the autocracy, and we have it all repeated too. And regarding everything else I have already written to you. I'll try again: now they steal on a large scale ... yes, but few ... then they stole ... very many on trifles. But thousands cannot steal as much as millions. Available? And once again the Internet: "cotton business", "Sochi business", "gastronomic business", "trophy business". And where did they put the money, I don’t know. But what was dragged for huge sums is undeniable. Explained easily? But if there is still a problem with perception ... I'll look for interesting examples, so be it.

[kalibr]

By the way, here is a case described in the Central State Archives of St. Petersburg: At the peat enterprise located in Shuvalovo, during January-June 1946, 778,5 kg of bread, 336,2 kg of cereals were wasted for banquets, food inspectors, self-supply , 55,9 kg of sugar, 29,4 kg of meat, which were written off as allocated for additional food for workers. For the same purposes, 135 liters of vodka was used, intended to support peat loaders during severe frosts (100 g per person per day). The director of the peat enterprise Makhov and the chief engineer Aganin bought out two cows from the subsidiary farm at a price 10 times lower than the book price. At the same prices, the cows were sold to the chairman of the regional committee of the union of peat bogs, the head of the transport department of the Torfsnab trust, etc. As the chief economist at the enterprise, Makhov registered his wife, who lived in Leningrad. She did not even come for a salary (money and cards were transported to her in Leningrad). Makhov used three people registered as workers at the enterprise as domestic servants.
Source: https://logikaprogressa.com/legendarium-stalinistov/pri-staline-ne-bylo-korruptsii.html
In fact, this is also theft. And if so steal regularly. And it was so, then ... the result is comparable to the present and even overrides it.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: kalibr

In fact, this is also theft. And if so steal regularly. And it was so, then ... the result is comparable to the present and even overrides it.

Don't screw up the crap ... Not solid. Not everyone stole like that and not regularly, but only those who had a "natural gift" for this. That is why people went to study to be doctors, engineers, artists ... That is why those who liked speculation went into trade. Savings bank workers earned less than teachers.
All your "small-town" cases are ridiculous. You will find materials about the EBN widow. For what merits she was allocated (at our expense) a servant, security and a pension of "khrenznaetkak value."
All this bastard with party cards popped out after the XX Congress and the National Union of Artists. I closed my eyes to many things and LIB (unknowingly). And now it is completely clear who and why was engaged in discrediting the socialist system.
A person may be weak to temptation. The system should keep his whims and phobias within reasonable limits, and should not explain the needs of government officials and employees of state-owned enterprises by the need to keep them (with their “rich experience and merit”) in this capacity, because NOBODY BUT THEM ...

[Svarog]

Quote: kalibr

Aha! Undeniable.

Ha..well let's argue .. Tell me what achievements the Russian Federation has .. and let's compare them with the USSR .. you are driving yourself into a corner .. let's leave this pointless dispute ...

And where did they put the money, I don’t know. But what was dragged for huge sums is undeniable. Accessibly explained

Not. You have stated:

They stole less ...

They stole more, they just didn't write about it... Now they are writing ....

How much more? Why steal so much (if more than now), when such conditions were created in the USSR that it was impossible to spend them anywhere ..? So, I agree that a lot of people stole for little things too .. but this is a drop in the ocean, in comparison with what is happening now ..

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Svarog

So, I agree that a lot of people stole for little things too .. but this is a drop in the ocean, in comparison with what is happening now ..

You will remind him of legalized theft under the guise of joint-stock companies and theft in the banking sector (legalized speculation, seizure of the money supply for private use using spreads and credit policy).

[kalibr]

Quote: Svarog

you drive yourself into a corner ..

You stupid, Vladimir, like a cork. You yourself do not see what you are writing. Do you have money taken from the current thieves with KAMAZ, you ask me, where did the scoops transfer the money? Why don't today's thieves translate? Because it's not that easy. And now again - "achievements". You cannot even understand that with all the "achievements" the country has collapsed. But now they are "stealing", and the country is not falling apart. And it will not fall apart, because now it is built on the right principles that take into account human nature. Available, no?

[Fan-fan]

now they are "stealing", and the country is not falling apart. And it will not fall apart, because now it is built on the right principles that take into account human nature.

These lines completely expose you. You are trying to denigrate the USSR and justify what is happening now. And on what correct principles is our country built?
Maybe on those from which the natural population decline is only growing? According to Rosstat statistics, Russia is gradually disappearing at an average rate of minus 400 thousand people a year.
Or maybe on such principles, thanks to which 10% of the richest Russians have concentrated in their hands 90% of the country's welfare? Or the fact that Russia is the first country in the world in terms of the number of male suicides per 100 thousand people?

[kalibr]

Exactly, "Fanya" exactly ... Everything was OK in the USSR, right? But fell apart! Now the men are killing themselves, all are poor, but ... the Pareto law rules and everything is also OK. And it is difficult for you to live personally - there is a household store, rope, soap, a hook to the ceiling and no problems. By the way, what is going on now? Everyone gets according to ... their capabilities. As it should be in a normal society. Mediocrity at the bottom, smart at the top. Have you read the article? How much has been done to educate the masses. And what helped?

[Fan-fan]

And you call this a normal society, a society that is dying out, and young people run without looking back?

How much has been done to educate the masses

It is not true, it was done to stupefy the masses, but it didn’t work out for you, therefore you are denigrating it.

[kalibr]

Quote: Fan-Fan

and denigrate.

Are you drunk or foolishly wrote this? We are talking about the successes of socialist construction in the field of informing people of the new community "the Soviet people", and you are "denigrating." Where is the slander in the article? Pride for accomplishments! And if this was done to stupefy, then it is true that Mordor fell apart. Tired of people that they lie.

[kalibr]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Or the fact that Russia is the first country in the world in terms of the number of male suicides per 100 thousand people?

Weaklings. That's where they go!

[Fan-fan]

Well, how are you different from Chubais? He also said: well, half of our citizens will die out and that's okay.

[Aviator_]

You stupid, Vladimir, like a cork.

An excellent argument of "middle-level Gorbachev". Classics of the Marxist-Leninist propagandist.

[kalibr]

Well, if a person does not know his place, you need to help him! You understand, a person does not know how the door opens in the archive, he has never seen his documents. But judges ... Well, like a doctor of sciences. Who does this? They reminded you that your memory is not very good. You can still have time to correct ... Or see the recommended material.

[Aviator_]

Don't talk about my memory, dear. It suits me perfectly, my leadership and the topics I lead, too. And the results are quite tangible, unlike yours. However, if you count banknotes as results, then they are also quite tangible for you. Only the results of my work are embodied in construction materials, and they are embodied by the hard workers who are still hated by your mother. So, with my "bad" memory, I work for the good of the country, and you - for your own pocket, in accordance with the wind blowing from Olympus. That's all. At one time, Konstantin Simonov wrote - he was very struck by the fact that already in the summer of 1945 the entire editorial staff of the Hitlerite officialdom "Völkische Beobachter" urgently switched to communist positions, and announced that they would publish a communist newspaper - even those "propagandists of the average link ". So I helped you to find out your place.

[kalibr]

That's all true, Sergei, but you don't need to lie about other people, right? With all your high principles, it looks ... poor. And I will note that you not only do not respect me, but also many people on the site who have learned a lot of new and interesting things from my materials. Even Svarog, whom you cannot reproach for sympathies, wrote that I was writing wonderful articles. Here are his true words: "I repeat once again, you write well, and sometimes just wonderful." See how ?! They give people information, develop brains, and bring pleasure. And you judge so one-sidedly. And my rating is constantly growing; people put cons, but it grows. There are more pluses, so "my materials of construction" are stronger than yours.

[Aviator_]

There are more pluses, so "my materials of construction" are stronger than yours.

Calm down, middle-level Gorbachev. Svarog and others note only historical notes, no more, and regularly advise to limit themselves to them (I also once advised this), but the provocative essence still creeps out, and without biting our past - well, nothing. I don’t care deeply about my rating, nor about yours either. If there is nothing more to be proud of, be proud of the rating and the number of prepared piarasists, since this is so warm. About the strength of structural materials - no need, this is not yours. Otherwise, I'll start asking you how on the exam, you will be embarrassed.

[kalibr]

That boorish essence climbs out? Immediately on "you", they say, is it more offensive? But it doesn't work for me. It is a marker of your culture. Only clicks are required from you here. You give them, you read my articles, then everything is in order.

[Aviator_]

Offended, "middle-ranking Gorbachev." Keep up the good work. In fact, there is nothing to object. Culture is enough for me, I do not call anyone "stupid as a traffic jam". I don’t feel sorry for my comments, I apply for food, if the author cannot earn in another way.

[kalibr]

Offended? On you? Don't tell me, Sergei. I just noticed an interesting feature, a little scoop on the back, he immediately switches to "you". This is what a consequence of faith in the holy USSR.? Or of a worker-peasant origin? But in essence to object? What is the essence? There is nothing to argue with you. Here is an article with links to documents. Have you seen many of these on VO? Not! It details the work that is usually hidden from ordinary citizens. You would be interested in the comparability of the results, the source base. In any case, this would distinguish you from the junior scoopers of the sewage convoy. But no, you get on the same board with them. Amazing. And thanks for the clicks and comments, I already wrote about this. This all goes to the site's piggy bank, that is, for the benefit of many people.

[Aviator_]

You generally go over to direct insults, you propagandist Marxist-Leninist. The main thesis is that I found it in the archive, but you can't! Here you yourself work as a scooper, choosing the most fragrant. And I will not go to the archive, I have something to do. Calm down, today I will not serve any more, that's enough for you.

[kalibr]

Did I call you a "scooper"? On the contrary, he stressed that I see you as a person who should not follow this path. And of course, you will not go to the archive, and you have nothing to do there. This is our privilege. Know everything and judge everything consciously. Your fate is different - "to feed on fables". This is Pushkin, if anything, not an insult. By the way, there is nothing else in the archive. The whole scoop from the inside out is just like that! But it is clear that the workers showed him the varnished side. And serve? Where are you going to go? If not today, then tomorrow, not tomorrow, then after tomorrow, but it will have to.

[Reptiloid]

....... hated ... hard workers .......

I don't know anything about this, dear Sergey! This, on the contrary, was a completely different person who simply trembled and simply could not bear it, either the shoes were dirty, or they didn’t like the smell. Or is the growth high? What was ...
But about the teacher mother, I want to say this. It was written ~~~~~ 2-3 years ago that she began to write some kind of work (it was there, but I don't remember). She had a document with the real signature of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin! She showed it to her son, the author, then. I was very worried about this. The commentary contained his irreverent words about it, and he then threw this work away. That's what it was, it was a dissertation! He also called him an ugly word and scoffed.
And now, this dissertation would probably have quite a high price. Already above the articles, of course.
It seems, according to your comment, Sergey, you did not know about this?

[Aviator_]

Did not know. In my text, there is only a mention of a moment from Shpakovsky's autobiographical notes, how in childhood his mother, pointing to the hard workers, told him that he could slip to such a level. I have no special illusions about hard workers, but in my opinion, to achieve their level, Shpakovsky needs to roll up.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Aviator_

Did not know. In my text, there is only a mention of a moment from Shpakovsky's autobiographical notes, how in childhood his mother, pointing to the hard workers, told him that he could slip to such a level. I have no special illusions about hard workers, but in my opinion, to achieve their level, Shpakovsky needs to roll up.

Ahhhh ..... maybe they were drunk? And then what was he doing wrong? Probably. This, in my opinion, is nothing like that. My childhood was when there was advertising on TV beer, gin and tonics, canned cocktails, when everyone drank on the street from jars or bottles. And in transport. My mother told me a lot of things, warned me.

[Aviator_]

You had a different childhood, perestroika, and he had a Soviet one, like me. But he was happy only when the grandmother came from the bazaar, selling the harvest of apples. So he himself wrote. The desire to be higher than those around him came from childhood, so he and Pareto's theory about 20% of the elect are everywhere promoting, but for me it seems wild, like social racism.

[Reptiloid]

I have a preschool childhood - perestroika. But in a small settlement in the north of the Far East --- I was happy. Maybe it was not socialism yet, but already communism. Where are everyone - brothers and helped each other and shared everything
Just about my grandmother and the market, I missed ... But about reproaches to relatives there was a conversation. It was with me that that, they could do more for him, and did not. And there were words that it would not cost them anything, but the relatives, apparently, understood everything. They were communist, decent people. My grandfather fought in the Civil War, and then there was a school director ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Svarog
the greatness of socialist Russia is so undeniable

Aha! Undeniable. And where did it go?

"greatness" ended .... the extinction of the population and the borders of the 17th century Russia.

That's all the MAIN final "achievements" of the Sov. regime, for which his fans in 91 g did not come out even in a single copy.

They stole more then, you are right, for they stole tens of millions

«TWe are the owner here, not the guest, take every nail from work»

, just these millions did not consider it a theft.

Remember the wild panic and fear caused by rumors in the mid-late 80s about checking HOW the house / cottage / garage was built?

After all, they stood in reality hundreds of thousands of buildings, for which building materials people .. did not have no documents - they were stolen from construction sites, their enterprises, etc.

Stone, brick, steel, tiles, slate, timber, etc., were strictly limited goods that went to the national economy, but not retail.

All this was stolen (additional estimates, wild postscripts, non-existent objects, etc.) and sold from there, wiring, pipes, toilet sinks, stoves, etc. As a builder, I know this kitchen well.

Therefore, they stole and the farther south, the more = remember the same Spitak, where there was simply no cement / reinforcement in the structures - everything was stolen.

Huge money from the budget of the USSR went to Central Asia and the Transcaucasus (there were articles about Georgia on VO), where they all simply disappeared, like in sand and cotton business - only the tip of the iceberg

[Silhouette]

You can steal from someone. You cannot steal from yourself. The workers got the factories, the peasants got the land. The means of production have become their own. Workers dragged home tools and blanks, metal from factories, peasants stole grain and potatoes to feed livestock. But were they thieves? Not. They eliminated the shortcomings of the mechanism for the distribution of benefits and wages. Everyone was satisfied. If someone got carried away and went overboard, he was corrected. Abuses, of course, were, but there was OBKHSS on them. The system worked.

[kalibr]

Quote: Silhouette

They eliminated the shortcomings of the mechanism for the distribution of benefits and wages.

For me, the state is clearly underpaying pension benefits ... I need to go to the bank with a gun (for persuasiveness) and eliminate the shortcomings ...

[Silhouette]

They were doing something useful for the community. What did you do useful?

[kalibr]

Quote: Silhouette

They were doing something useful for the community. What did you do useful?

Enlightened people, is it really incomprehensible? Or, in your opinion, only those who clean outlets are useful?

[Silhouette]

So you are one of these: "We do not plow, we do not sow, we do not build - we are proud of the social system." For the money, of course. July - 18.52 rubles, 9.05 rubles - are these fees?

[kalibr]

Yes, fees in different organizations. What confuses you? Payment for labor.

[kalibr]

Quote: Svarog

clear logical arguments ..

Ha ha! Remember. people are creatures outside of logic. Otherwise, we would long ago, and the entire globe, would have lived under communism!

[ximkim]

And the high-profile case of black caviar.
They stole steamships.

[kalibr]

Thank you for reminding me, I remembered that there was something else, but that had already disappeared from my memory.

[Bourgeois 1963]

You are absolutely right. In the USSR, almost everyone who had at least something of value at hand stole. Before the army, I happened to work as a loader at a meat processing plant in the regional center. "Officially" every working day, I and other employees of the plant openly carried in their hands packages wrapped in paper. The package could have contained anything, meat, boiled pork, smoked sausage.
We movers preferred peppercorns. In our area, it was sold by the piece by the pea. At the checkpoint, the packages were not opened, the guards weighed them on the arm, and very accurately caught up to 100g. If the package weighed no more than 1 kg., Walk calmly. In addition, good volumes of stolen difcite were taken out of the plant by drivers who came to buy meat. They had hidden secrets in their cars in which they hid the scarce smoked meat they received from us. The carriers paid half the price for the product, and we did not have to risk carrying out such volumes. Now imagine how many were stolen per day on a national scale. I am a loader with an official salary of 150 rubles, I took a taxi to and from work, and every other day I went with young creatures to a tavern. In general, global theft in the last decades of the life of the USSR is an interesting topic.

[kalibr]

Quote: Bourgeois 1963

In general, global theft in the last decades of the life of the USSR is an interesting topic.

You're right. I'll have to do this. Go to the archives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. There should be references for both the region and the country!

[chenia]

Quote: kalibr

Network, dial cotton business

Shpakovsky, stop it!
Most of the stolen money was spent on bonuses for employees, and there one director (he did not even get shot) let the stolen (almost everything) into the development of the enterprise. And about immorality in terms of illegitimate, so in this regard, over the hill and contraceptive pills and product number 2 in excess (and not with the elasticity of the water supply hose).

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Svarog

Where did they take the stolen goods .. what do the archives tell you ..? Will you answer or will you boast again?

To summer cottages and garages from 1953 to 1991. It was unrealistic to build a house or a garage from what was bought in a store And, of course, to renovate apartments, furniture, crystal, and the contents of the refrigerator

[tatra]

And you compare all this with the hundreds of billions that the enemies of the USSR stole from their country and people after their capture of the USSR? Are you not ashamed to justify criminals?
There is not a single enemy of the USSR who has become rich after the destruction of the USSR, who could prove that this is his big or huge income or salary, and this is the big or huge benefit that he brought to his country and people.

[kalibr]

Quote: tatra

and this is the great or tremendous benefit that he brought to his country and people.

For 6 billion, Vakselberg bought a collection of Faberge eggs, which are a national treasure of the country, returned to their homeland, and built a special museum for them. You, apparently, do not know how to use the Internet? There is about all this, who, how much where ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: kalibr

Quote: ROSS 42

They lied then, they lie now ... they stole less ...

They stole more, they just didn't write about it ... Now they write ...

Did you steal more? And where, let me find out what they stole? Legalized how? Now it is clear they are buying up real estate over the hill, yachts ... dozens of apartments, cars ... And then where could a Soviet person withdraw such amounts? Can you explain? They stole then definitely significantly less than today, there was no theft at all.

They all stole at work - they are not. Now the withdrawal of grandmothers abroad is associated with the lack of business security, and the fact that part of the money is made at the expense of the corruption component is another song.

[tatra]

The enemies of the USSR created States from the republics of the USSR that they had seized, in which not honest people, but criminals, live well. Therefore, the enemies of the USSR and categorically refuse to take responsibility for their seizure of the USSR, which seized it for criminal purposes.

[Krasnodar]

Happy Holidays, tatra!
Regarding the seizure and collapse of the country by the republican party elites (with the exception of the Baltic states) I agree. Only not honest people live well in the unit - everything is not so simple.

[Svarog]

Quote: Krasnodar

They all stole at work - they are not. Now the withdrawal of grandmothers abroad is associated with the lack of business security, and the fact that part of the money is made at the expense of the corruption component is another song.

Yes, the song is one and the same .. Pereobuvshie members of the party are trying to desecrate the USSR and everything connected with it and give the brilliance of liberal Russia against the background of the impoverished population and the extinction of citizens.
It is enough to understand that the USSR contained the largest army in the world, and actually half of the world ... and it had enough money for free housing for its citizens, free medicine and a guarantee of jobs for every citizen ..
Now, we pay for everything ourselves, we are being torn apart with taxes, imposed by fines, there is no that military machine, we practically don’t "sponsor" anyone .. We pump oil and gas as much as the USSR never dreamed of .. And where is the money?

[kalibr]

In my opinion, Vladimir, the article is about the achievements of the USSR, isn't it? But for some reason, neither the largest army in the world, nor 92 submarines with missiles against 45 American ones, nor free housing, nor free medicine, nor a bunch of propagandist lecturers, political informers, could save the USSR from collapse, right? Nobody went to the barricades for these free goods!

[Svarog]

Quote: kalibr

But for some reason, neither the largest army in the world, nor 92 submarines with missiles against 45 American ones, nor free housing, nor free medicine could save the USSR from collapse, right? Nobody went to the barricades for these free goods!

Well, partly as a result of characters like you .. party members who dreamed of walking in jeans ..

[kalibr]

Vladimir! Well, you can't be so fucked up. You can dream about anything. But you have to do your job well. We were lecturers of the RK as soon as and who just did not check ... Is this understanding available to you or not? It was an excellent feeder: 5 rubles. for a lecture not to a candidate and 10 rubles. - to the candidate. I read 20 lectures - here's 200 rubles for you. Yes, here ... "fart" you will be afraid just not to lose such a lucrative earnings. You will shine with faith in the triumph of socialism. If only you were invited further! Is it accessible to the intellect or not at all?

[Victorio]

Quote: kalibr

In my opinion, Vladimir, the article is about the achievements of the USSR, isn't it? But for some reason, neither the largest army in the world, nor 92 submarines with missiles against 45 American ones, nor free housing, nor free medicine, nor a bunch of propagandist lecturers, political informers, could save the USSR from collapse, right? Nobody went to the barricades for these free goods!

===
people change, priorities have changed, material and personal have replaced and are now replacing the rest. do you think there will be many who will go out to the barricades to defend the gains of capitalism? at best, they will unite to defend their own, plunder someone else's, buy off the third. as long as there is a core in Russia, like-minded people, the people will hold on. this will not happen, there will be no Russian Federation. the death of the ussr, the development of china confirmation of this

[kalibr]

Quote: Victorio

who will go to the barricades to defend the gains of capitalism?

Nobody on the barricades! But by order, EVERYONE he touches will go. Do you think the state has no means to force it?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Svarog

.
It is enough to understand that the USSR contained the largest army in the world, and actually half of the world ... and it had enough money for free housing for its citizens, free medicine and a guarantee of jobs for every citizen ..
Now, we pay for everything ourselves, we are being torn apart with taxes, imposed by fines, there is no that military machine, we practically don’t "sponsor" anyone .. We pump oil and gas as much as the USSR never dreamed of .. And where is the money?

Happy Holidays!
Housing - yes, and crap compared to the current one, medicine sucked, jobs - now everyone who wants to work works. Three skins taxes - relatively everything, three skins fight in the West
For what? The military machine is a relative matter, we have a penny of money from oil and gas.

[Victorio]

Quote: Krasnodar

All stole at work - thugs

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what is this nonsense? for everyone and for everyone here broadcasting !?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Victorio

Quote: Krasnodar

All stole at work - thugs

===
what is this nonsense? for everyone and for everyone here broadcasting !?

Why nonsense? Have you forgotten about Nemanov?

[Fan-fan]

That's not necessary about everyone. I wonder what the teacher could have taken away from school? A couple of crayons? Or the janitor who steals the broom?

[Krasnodar]

Teacher? Waste paper for scarce books, from the one that the children carried to school. Janitor - depending on where he worked

[xorek]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: ROSS 42

They lied then, they lie now ... they stole less ...

They stole more, they just didn't write about it ... Now they write ...

Vorye then behaved modestly and simply despised all buy and sell and they hid their occupation .. Traders in the USSR despised !!!! Now they are "respected"
Who writes? Surnames in the studio .. The article is certainly interesting .. The end of the 80s, etc. By the way, these same propagandists, then jumped over sharply .. And who knew how to chat on any topic in those days? Here in all our media they sat down and waited in the wings ..
And the propaganda was at the level, even now it is very relevant ..

Doesn't it remind anyone? Here is the same ..

[Richard]

Doesn't it remind anyone?

The second from the right with a French butterfly looks like Posner ... Really ?!

[ee2100]

Were they in business too?

[xorek]

Quote: ee2100

Were they in business too?

No, but he despised the traders. And this was sincerely among the majority of the people in the Soviet Union, then they all climbed out of the cracks and took revenge on us all and are still taking revenge. and the bloody we were taught to the Russians
Here is Stalin, "Russian in spirit and ethnicity, Georgians" as he spoke about himself, wrote well about the future and who will be traitors ..

In the 90s, these turned around on a grand scale and no one could stop them.
In the 2000s, they dispersed it a bit, but many calmed down again, waiting and hid their capital.
That's the way things are going .. I'm in business Alexander, for Russia without oligarchs and other talkers.!

[max702]

And how beautifully the topic of the article started playing! Well done! Played the actors card and are happy ..
All the same, VO is clearly under control.

[Richard]

Yes, you are full, Maxim. Just those who, as you write, played the card of actors, they are simply not going to participate in the perennial and useless mess, for some reason regularly raised on the branches. I assure you, if not for them, we would have read in the "history" section only two types of articles - "It was bad under the communists" or "It was good under the communists"

[japs]

Mr. Shpakovsky, there is nothing to say about the present? Sorry. You are far from the agitators and propagandists of the bloody "regime" of Brezhnev. There was ideology there. You don't have it. Shit and shit those times, you can. Write your own, on the topic of the day? Weak.
The fact that there is no core in the country, i.e. you are afraid to say ideology, because they are ravaged for ridicule and foul "of those times". Disgusting somehow ...

[kalibr]

Quote: japs

Write your own, on the topic of the day? Weak.

On the spite of the day, I have three textbooks on online journalism, public opinion management technologies, and I don’t remember any more. But there is on the Web. But there will be about this too ... Informing the 90s, then now. Not all at once. In addition, there is a nuance. You see: there are links to all points. But the documents go to the archive only after 10 years. And who will allow me to work in the current archive of the government? And to write from the finger, like the Chukchi, that I see and sing is wrong. This may be just the tip of the iceberg, or not the tip. Explained clearly?

[astra wild2]

"but it so happened that Vyacheslav Olegovich's life seemed insipid and he decided: it is necessary, something scandalous

[ee2100]

Good evening! Come and see!

[vladcub]

Taak significant V.O. did you want scandals?
Then to spite him, let's say it's cute and he will leave such topics.

[depressant]

I explained something to you below, Svyatoslav, but there is another thought. For some reason, it never occurs to anyone. Perhaps the propagandists were the very last line of defense of socialism, that weak dam, which, having no tools to influence the policy of the top of the party, held back, as best as it could, the growing pressure of its opponents, both home-grown and foreign.
But now - they could not, did not hold back, the pressure was too great. Life went on, they adapted to new conditions. Haven't we all adapted in accordance with the possibilities given to us by nature, that is, who as best he could? Do we have a moral right to reproach these people? The propagandists did at least something, stood to the end, realizing that everything was in vain, that they had lost. We didn't do anything.

[Gvardeetz77]

Now the same readers who admired the historical articles will say that you have changed your shoes 10 times in the air, you will screw up everything and this could not be ... :)

[kalibr]

So, Anatoly, isn't the article about the successes of socialist construction? This is how many informants were trained, enlightened people, gave them lectures, told true stories about the homeless of New York. Aren't these achievements, not successes? You should be proud of it!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: kalibr

So, Anatoly, isn't the article about the successes of socialist construction? This is how many informants were trained, enlightened people, gave them lectures, told true stories about the homeless of New York. Aren't these achievements, not successes? You should be proud of it!

I agree. And the children were informed about it. And about the exploitation of man by man. What is the song of Suok and Three Fat Men about a loaf of bread, who preferred to burn in the stove, but not fall into the mouth of the bourgeois. Or the story of unemployment and corrupt police officers in Italy from old Hottabych. People did their job until they themselves wanted to start living according to Western consumption standards.

[ee2100]

"consumption standards" is this the main thing for you or did such propagandos put it into the head of a Soviet person?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: ee2100

"consumption standards" is this the main thing for you or did such propagandos put it into the head of a Soviet person?

Consumption standards? Black Maybach instead of the black Volga, Negryasko instead of a party sanatorium in Crimea, etc.

[ee2100]

In 1992, I came to the yuver to evaluate one product. We talked and he said that the wives of former party functionaries come to him to sell their jewelry. They actually did not begin to live. And he said that they mainly bring rings with a red stone.
Already then they were looking for "the gold of the party".
There were many honest communists, but there were also many careerists. In the 80s, all my acquaintances who wrote a statement to the party did it for the sake of a career. Everyone said so.

[Krasnodar]

You write about people who didn't decide anything. In the Baltics, for example, the communists were generally removed from everything, while in other republics the leaders of the local communist parties were the initiators of the withdrawal from the USSR and privatization.

[ee2100]

I just wrote about them. The communists in the Baltics were the initiators of the withdrawal from the USSR. I indicated the year - 92nd. By the beginning of 1993, the entire top was already in the "case"
My "type" secretary was an Estonian, a communist, already deeply retired by that time. She practically did not speak Russian. I have never met a more honest person.

[Krasnodar]

Strange, I always thought that the Baltic communists (the top) were against leaving the USSR

[ee2100]

This is a difficult question. There were henchmen of the Kremlin i.e. Russian Estonians, so they were just for the USSR, Väino, a modern politician is one of their descendants, and there were local Estonians-communists who were just for the secession, and they made up the majority.

[Krasnodar]

In other republics, except for Kazakhstan, the communist elite (Kremlin's henchmen) was in favor of secession

[ee2100]

You can recall a lot of events in the 80s, which was the prologue to the separation

[Han Tengri]

Quote: kalibr

Anatoly, isn't this article about the successes of socialist construction? This is how many informants were trained, enlightened people, lectured them, told true stories about the homeless of New York. Aren't these achievements, not successes? You should be proud of this!

And what is proud of, Vyacheslav Olegovich? The fact that this is an awkward "enlightenment" about the problems of blacks in New York, about "Comrades are going the right way" and "Glory to the KPSS" by the mid-80s caused a persistent gag reflex in mere mortals?
"Ephemeral happiness filled the ether
We glorify the joy of great work, incomprehensible with its meaning
We glorify the joy of victories, for the slightest reason - a feast
And it's better not to think that tomorrow will come for him "(c)

[kalibr]

Quote: HanTengri

what tomorrow will come for him

Igor! Well, you are a smart person. It was such a form of humor.

[Olgovich]

Quote: kalibr

about the successes of socialist construction? Well this is how many informants were prepared, enlightened people, lectured to them

and who listened to them, who believed them, these obviously unprincipled liars, hypocrites, cynics and opportunists?

After all, among themselves they talked and thought exactly the opposite of the propaganda nonsense that was carried in public.

As for myself, I remember the wild boredom, disgust and understanding of wasted time, when I was forced to such "serenity".

In general, the ichiotic situation was then at all these concurrent meetings, lectures and the like: those who popped up with reports from above knew that they were lying, and those who from below knew that they were lying, but everyone pretended that everything was in order and for what something light is .... you need.

Then everybody got tired of building warrens out of themselves ...

[Senior seaman]

Quote: kalibr

This is how many informants were prepared,

What economy can withstand so many parasites? :)))
In fact, I now say this phrase most often when looking at police officers, patrolmen, traffic cops and other security guards.

[vladcub]

That's for sure. Some of those who have already admired: "sharpens damask knives" (c) To do V. About a small operation.

[tatra]

Well, these qualities are inherent in all enemies of the USSR. All of them are "chameleons", opportunists, without conscience, ideological convictions, moral principles, and they love to discuss the Bolshevik-communists, everything that they have done, and they do not like it very much when they discuss themselves, everything that they themselves have done.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: tatra

Well, these qualities are inherent in all enemies of the USSR. All of them are "chameleons", opportunists, without conscience, ideological convictions, moral principles, and they love to discuss the Bolshevik-communists, everything that they have done, and they do not like it very much when they discuss themselves, everything that they themselves have done.

Irina, how do you think, at what point in time did all these "chameleons", opportunists, without conscience, ideological convictions, moral principles, infiltrated the top of the RSDLP (b) - VKPB - CPSU, who eventually became "enemies of the communists" ( c) who destroyed the USSR and sat down to "reign" on its capitalist fragments? How did it happen that these maggots crept into leadership positions, and no one noticed their rotten essence?

[Fan-fan]

But they have nothing to answer this question.

[ee2100]

Good afternoon!
Happy friday
Mr. Shpakovsky, at what age did you become a member of the CPSU?

[kalibr]

In 1980, Alexander, born in 1954

[ee2100]

And when did you apply for admission to the party and "serve" the candidate's term?

[kalibr]

You are asking some strange questions, Alexander. I have already written about this more than once. There was disagreement in the area where I worked in a rural school: to accept two best teachers into the ranks. So I was offered: "There will be no second chance!" And for a year I went as trainees somewhere, read political information on the farms. I came up with an electronic examiner, made it and used it in the lessons ... So they accepted it.

[ee2100]

To a direct question when you joined the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, you answer in 1980, "I was born in 1954" Okay, but when the application was submitted, remember? And remember who recommended you too. What about your further career?
And you want to assure me, your practically the same age, that you did not knock on the KGB?
To become a candidate for membership in the CPSU during the Soviet era at the institute, one had to accomplish a feat or knock on the KGB, let our peers correct me. And you have, "I'm like the best of the best and I was offered." Hee - hee.
Rub it to the young

[kalibr]

Quote: ee2100

And you want to assure me, your practically the same age, that you did not knock on the KGB?
To become a candidate for membership in the CPSU during the Soviet era at the institute, one had to accomplish a feat or knock on the KGB, let our peers correct me.

Imagine not. The institute did not offer me. And in the village who was there to knock on? On Manka the cowgirl, who slept with Mishka the tractor driver and at the same time with the cattleman Petka. Do you know what you are writing? I was in the village from 77 to 80. From 80 to SUT to 82. Who to knock on SUT? And since 1982, the department of the history of the CPSU. Who to knock on? For students? On colleagues? Assistant to assistant professors, huh? Retired colonels ... Aha! So old age apparently silvered you on top, if it silvered it without turning it into gold, then what's inside.
And at school she was recommended by the school party organizer. As it should be.

[ee2100]

In the USSR, there was disagreement for admission to the CPSU 1 andr versus 2 workers. Fairy tales will take place elsewhere, but not here.
When did you knock on the KGB? If not, write.

[kalibr]

Quote: ee2100

When did you knock on the KGB? If not, write

Are you sick or what? Did they clearly write to you that if you wanted to, there was simply no one? The KGB officers were also not fools to recruit everyone. And in my opinion I have already written this to you, that it is not so.

[ee2100]

Do you have documents?

[kalibr]

Quote: ee2100

In the USSR, there was disagreement for admission to the CPSU 1 andr versus 2 workers. Fairy tales will take place elsewhere, but not here.

Well, that means besides me and the other teacher, they took 4 more pigs, that's all. You know it makes no sense for me to deceive people. Too many people know me now. And any lie is easily revealed ...

[ee2100]

So let's see and wait.

[kalibr]

There are enough people from Penza who know me well.

[mister-red]

Quote: ee2100

In the USSR, there was disagreement for admission to the CPSU 1 andr versus 2 workers. Fairy tales will take place elsewhere, but not here.
When did you knock on the KGB? If not, write.

And where did you get the idea that all the candidates and party members were informers. Among my relatives, only one aunt was in the party, her whole privilege was to work better than anyone else.
And at the factory, for example, an informer was an ordinary, quiet and modest member of the Komsomol.
By the way, you missed the military, most of the officers were also communists. Many people received their membership card while still at the school.

[ee2100]

It's your problems

[Victorio]

Quote: ee2100

To become a candidate for membership in the CPSU during the Soviet era at the institute, one had to accomplish a feat or knock on the KGB, let our peers correct me. And you have, "I'm like the best of the best and I was offered." Hee - hee.
Rub it to the young

===
? I entered the university after the army, in the same place (at the university) they were offered to join the party, I refused.
then at the enterprise after distribution, he also refused. there were no proposals / demands for work for the KGB, or there were no consequences from refusals to join the party. A visa for floating practice was given, passes to foreign ships at the enterprise were also without problems. while the mother's grandfather / others. relatives - Cossacks exiled to Siberia. uncle was in prison for a fight.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: kalibr

In 1980, Alexander, born in 1954

Vyacheslav! fellow countryman, after all, what is the message of the article? that you were a lecturer and denounced the decaying West, while having information about the state of Soviet society, but fulfilling the requirements of party discipline and hushed up this information. And all your lecturing activity was not effective, and no matter how much you enlightened the Soviet people, it was not possible to save the USSR, I scratch the back of my head, either the lecturers were shit, or the ideology was wrong

[kalibr]

Quote: Anatol Klim

and kept silent about this information. And all your lecturing activity was not effective, and no matter how much you enlightened the Soviet people, it was not possible to save the USSR, I scratch the back of my head, either the lecturers were shit, or the ideology was wrong

Anatoly! Why hush up what was allowed to be given? Have you seen a photo of the pages of a notebook? This was recorded at lectures by lecturers from the Central Committee who came to read to us. And why did I have to write all this for myself? The lecturers were not crap, because the "crap" was not invited to the workers. People were also not fools. They knew who goes to them and who reads well and who reads badly. The topics of the lectures were regularly updated. Party organizers wrote to the RK and OK (ideological department) reviews on lectures, asked questions, did the lecturer say something ... "not Soviet." So what is the conclusion?

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: kalibr

did the lecturer say something ... "not Soviet". So what is the conclusion?

Yes, it is clear what conclusion, it was easier for me, I am a military pensioner, reviews and lectures came from the political department of special units, which were read by the political officer, and then the party organizer, they were all military topics, but at the end of the 80s, quite interesting reviews began to come about national problems in Soviet army, official corruption manifestations, while the immorality was completely gone, then I divorced my first wife and was appointed to a higher position, my ex-wife wrote a letter to the political department that I was morally unstable, a walker, they summoned me to the political department, talked about life, yes and said continue to serve in a new position

[kalibr]

In the archives of the OK KPSS of the Penza region, there are many such letters from wives, and others are written in such a language ... I wanted to say so when I read: O tempora, O Maurice!

[Krasnodar]

Was the walker also a problem for the party? ))

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Krasnodar

Was the walker also a problem for the party? ))

It's just that the political department was obliged to respond to any appeal, and how it did not react to me, I did not serve there

[kalibr]

You cannot imagine how many such cases were dealt with at party committees of enterprises and universities and up to the Republic of Kazakhstan. When graduate students worked in the archives, we got tired ... well, for the sake of rest, we asked to give us the files "about it". Don't get up to die. What are described ... adventures ...

[Krasnodar]

Happy Holidays!
What's the point? Full control over the lives of citizens?

[kalibr]

Quote: Krasnodar

Full control over the lives of citizens?

Caring for the high moral standards of the builder of communism!

[Krasnodar]

It is recited. Practical? Know more about subjects?

[astra wild2]

Perhaps both

[vladcub]

Alexander, they don’t reach me: what is the age of joining the party?
V.O. turned out to be exactly like the majority of the then "party members": they did everything according to cheat sheets, and as a result formalism and window dressing ruined the country.

[tatra]

Nobody ruined the country. Enough of these cowardly anti-Soviet myths. And in October 1917, and during the malicious and slanderous Perestroika, some and other people seized the country, imposed themselves on the country and people in power, their System, economy, ideology.

[astra wild2]

"in October 1917" the October Revolution took place.
And by the time of Perestroika, there were no Leninists left in the party leadership.
Everyone: Chernenko, Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, Yeltsin, Kuchma, Kravchuk and many others, many others said "Lenin's party, Lenin's testaments"

[tatra]

It is useless to expect from the enemies of the communists not only the truth, but also logic and common sense. If everything were as you wrote, then you, the enemies of the communists, would have captured the USSR long before your "Liberator" Gorbachev.

[astra wild2]

Gorbachev is not mine.
Do: Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shevardnadze or Kuchma and Kravchuk look like Leninists? They ALL wore party cards, but THEY BREEDED THE COVENANTS OF LENIN

[Phil77]

And you ask yourself a question, is it possible for the conditional leader of the conditional West, anyone to your taste, to destroy his country? And why did this happen in ours? Who created this system in which the probability of destruction turned out to be equal to one hundred percent? The leader of the country decides everything? Here is the answer to the question why the Soviet Union collapsed. And you say, Gorbachev is not mine. Yes, he is general, general. Do you generally remember the euphoria that happened in 1985, when he came * to the throne *?
Yes! And by the way, if he is to blame all around, how did he end up in power at all? Where is the Politburo, where is the party control, where is the almighty KGB ???
But it turned out that they all * share * and they all got a portion of their * nishtyaks *.
So there is no need for the faithful Leninists, there is no need for this. Everything turned out the way it happened.

[astra wild2]

"Where is the Politburo?" Here I agree with you 100%: if you look strictly, then the Politburo is to blame.
In a past life, I once said: most of all I want to be given the then Politburo. I would explain something to them over 24

[Phil77]

Yes, you would not have explained anything to them. I repeat, everyone pursued their own and only their own interests. It was time to lose the illusions about the so-called * loyal Leninists *, there was a serious squabble there during his lifetime. And in general, well, that's who you are. can you call * a faithful Leninist *? How can you explain the very essence of this term. Who?

[ee2100]

I do not know how old you are and what you found.
To join the CPSU, you had to be 100% devoted to the ideal or perform a feat, after which you will be offered to join the CPSU.
Shpakovsky writes that he was "offered" to join the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, who are aware of this first-class lie, my friends ran and looked for hard workers, promised to pay party fees for them so that they were counted 2: 1, otherwise they were not accepted into the CPSU.
Yes, there were exceptions, Shpakovsky definitely does not fall under them.
This is all sexot lies.

[vladcub]

This was so far in the party were ideological, and then all and sundry climbed into the party.
You will not deny that: Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Nazarbayev and other Bolsheviks like an eagle from a sparrow

[ee2100]

I mean it too. By the beginning of the eightieth communists, in the good sense of the word, there were no more.
It was a hint, according to the principle "you give me, I give you" and in Soviet times many films on this topic were released.
And what's the point?

[vladcub]

Alexander, in fact, a latent rebirth began in the late 20s, when the party membership card promoted his career. As an example: "you need to applaud on time" (this is from the Kremlin) and again from there: out of 11 members of the Gaivoron Bureau, soon RK VKP (b) 9, to put it mildly, turned out to be dubious.
It is an expensive matter that while the leadership had ideological ones. All these dubious "comrades" sat quietly and periodically shouted: "Glory" and "Long live", but how did the leadership change and .....

[Konnick]

in fact, a latent rebirth began in the late 20s, when the party membership card promoted a career

Hidden? May be. But they began to take into account the partisanship under Khrushchev. Lieutenant-General Karbyshev joined the party in 1940, Lieutenant-General Shilovsky (prototype of Colonel Roshchin from "Walking in Torments") applied for admission in the fall of 41, joined the party in 42nd. The non-partisan Colonel-General Govorov became the commander of the Leningrad front and only after Stalin's call, like it was not appropriate for a non-partisan front to command, did he join the party without a probationary period. And the careerists who entered the 20s later regretted it. It is difficult now to imagine a non-party general, now probably everything is in the United Russia, but under Stalin it was. The trouble is that party membership has become commonplace for leaders, and without a party membership card you can't make a career.

[Olgovich]

Quote: ee2100

... By the beginning of the eightieth communists, in the good sense of the word, there were no more.

and where are ONE, sick, having escaped a mustache?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: vladcub

This was so far in the party were ideological, and then all and sundry climbed into the party.
You will not deny that: Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Nazarbayev and other Bolsheviks like an eagle from a sparrow

Vlad, the big question is, what is a Bolshevik?

[Phil77]

Hi Albert!
Well, if from the cinema, then ...

In life? But with this it is more difficult.

[Krasnodar]

Saint Sebastian without arrows? ))

[kalibr]

Quote: ee2100

This is all sexot lies.

Think Alexander when you write. The head, not the seat. To lie to people like you is simply humiliating to me. I live by the principle that if you do not respect yourself, for which you will be respected by others. It is clear that I do not need the respect of cretins. But to offend these little ones is sinful; it is like hitting a child ...

[astra wild2]

Good evening. I congratulate everyone on the upcoming May 1.
When I was little, my mother took me to the May Day demonstration. I didn’t care what speakers were trending there. I held the flag in one hand, and with the other I held my mother's hand. My mom, always took a branch of lavender lilac for the demonstration. I waved a flag, and Mommy was a lilac. And we were both happy
This is how I remember May 1st

[ee2100]

Would you write anything about Easter?

[vladcub]

Was still small, in the collective farm there was a custom: "May Day". At the 1st e, everyone dressed according to the holiday, gathered in the collective farm yard, there for 10-15 minutes Party organizer scholarships, and then walked in a column outside the village. Ahead were the most respectful old people. They sang to the accordion: "Katyusha", "My native country is wide", "Tachanka" (we had a "Kochubei" and loved her).
Outside the village they arranged something like a picnic. The old people recalled: "yak used to be bulo", they sang "dark mounds are sleeping", revolutionary songs.
All were like one family, then 2 old men died, the main ringleaders and the district committee banned such "May events". Then I heard from the elders that earlier these “May-events” were “not approved”, but they were wary of those old people.
As soon as the "May Day" on the collective farm ended, May 1 became the very day

[Victorio]

Quote: vladcub

I was still small, there was a custom on the collective farm: "May Day"... At the 1st e, everyone dressed for a holiday, gathered in the collective farm yard, there for 10-15 minutes Party organizer scholarships, and then they walked in a column outside the village. Ahead were the most respectful old people. They sang to the accordion: "Katyusha", "My native country is wide", "Tachanka" (we had a "Kochubei" and loved her).
Outside the village they arranged something like a picnic. The old people recalled: "yak used to be bulo", they sang "dark mounds are sleeping", revolutionary songs.
All were like one family, then 2 old men died, the main ringleaders and the district committee banned such "May events". Then I heard from the elders that earlier these “May-events” were “not approved”, but they were wary of those old people.
As soon as the "May Day" on the collective farm ended, May 1 became the very day

===
you are right, it was common. with my parents at the factory in the 60s, and then, starting from the 70s, it probably somehow came to naught, in the mass scale and atmosphere for sure. demonstration (albeit massive and festive), and then everyone goes home, to the table and their business.

[vladcub]

By God, exactly. Somewhere in the early 70s, this started.
For a long time, people remembered: "where the May Day was" or "on the last May Day". Then he got older, went to demonstrations, had fun, but there was no sincerity !!
Families used to go. Our relatives also took the dog to the May Day.
And then I walked around in different order. Now the same thing: on command at the demo.

[Richard]

postcard from childhood

[knn54]

"The moral code of the builder of communism":
- devotion to the cause of communism, love for the socialist homeland, for the countries of socialism;
- conscientious work for the benefit of society: he who does not work does not eat;
- everyone's concern for the preservation and multiplication of the social! "The moral code of the builder of communism":
- devotion to the cause of communism, love for the socialist homeland, for the countries of socialism;
- conscientious work for the benefit of society: he who does not work does not eat;
- everyone's concern for maintaining and enhancing the public domain;
- high consciousness of public duty; intolerance of violations of the public interest;
- collectivism and comradely mutual assistance: each for all, all for one;
- humane relations and mutual respect between people: person to person, friend, comrade and brother;
- honesty and truthfulness, moral purity, simplicity and modesty in public and personal life;
- mutual respect in the family, concern for raising children;
- Intransigence to injustice, parasitism, dishonesty, careerism, money-grubbing;
- friendship and brotherhood of all the peoples of the USSR, intolerance of national and racial hostility;
- Intransigence to the enemies of communism, the cause of peace and freedom of peoples;
- fraternal solidarity with the working people of all countries, with all peoples.
10 commandments of the builder of capitalism
1. Loyalty to a market economy, love for Western countries.
2. Only personally profitable work.
3. Caring for the preservation and enhancement of personal wealth.
4. The lack of a sense of duty to society, intolerance to the violation of personal interests by society.
5. Individualism and social Darwinism: each for itself.
6. Commercial relations between people and respect only for their legal rights: a person is a competitor to a person.
7. Honesty and truthfulness - when it is beneficial, luxury and status in public life and moral hypocrisy in personal.
8. Business relationships in the family, concern for the education of the heir.
9. Intolerance to internationalism. Friendship on ethnic, socio-economic and religious grounds.
10. Intolerance to the enemies of a market economy and liberalism. Solidarity with all anti-communist forces.

[ee2100]

So the commandments appeared! Happy Easter everyone, and today we will celebrate Good Friday!

[Prisoner]

"But ... for some reason, fewer children out of wedlock were born there than ours." (a) Abortions were done by immoral people, they also had fagots and they hung blacks. Horror. Well this is so banter. Seriously, "rank-and-file parties", lovely propagandists with "longed-for" membership cards, what can we say now about party leadership, about this and that, and why did it hold out? You did. Nowadays, many critics of the CPSU, when they poke their noses at their own party card, begin to mumble about what the time was like, a career, then behold. Well, be quiet in a rag. Or does the propaganda itch wake up from time to time?

[Aviator_]

A member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union since 1980, a "middle-level propagandist", suddenly felt the need to tell about his work in the 80s. It is only welcome. True, once before he wrote that after stories about the horrors of imperialism, he told the collective farmers about the Kama Sutra. Or was it before the horror story?

[kalibr]

Quote: Aviator_

True, once before he wrote that after stories about the horrors of imperialism, he told the collective farmers about the Kama Sutra.

Your memory is bad, Sergei. Only the "Mordvin", who attributed to me the grandfather of the Polish general, was worse. In an article about graduate students on potatoes, I wrote that we gave lectures to local people on various topics. Mine are named there. Another graduate student read about the Kamasutra. In the village where I taught, all topics were official. Remember, please.

[kalibr]

Quote: Captive

You did.

And they held well, didn't they? People sobbed when I talked about the horrors of "Star Wars", and then smiled happily when I said that Leonid Ilyich was personally vigilant, would not allow ... "So he mumbles a lot," they said from the audience. And I told them - "What does it have to do with mumbling? The party is a million shoulders!" Everyone should have done their job well, right?

[Prisoner]

Wept? I doubt it. He is not as stupid as a people, as some "engineers" of human souls would like to present him. In fact, half of them most likely yawned, a quarter of the material of the "dissemination lecturer" was silently, the nth part was leafing through more interesting reading material. Well, there must have been groups of appointed "interrogators" and sincerely brooding boobies. And you did your job very badly. I tell you this as an eyewitness.

[kalibr]

Quote: Captive

And you did your job very badly. I tell you this as an eyewitness.

That is, you are from Penza and were at my lectures? Very interesting. And at what enterprise did you work?

[Prisoner]

No, he’s not a Penza citizen, and somehow I didn’t have a chance to work at enterprises. But I listened to the "engineers of souls". Lectures? I listened to lectures, but others. At the age of 19, they offered to write an application for a candidate. I compared myself with my father (a real one, in my understanding, a communist), remembered how he smoked a cigar at the post and how he was sampo kemaril and realized that he was not worthy. Then, over time, I looked at what "smart" lads along with real guys were enrolled in candidates and that's it! Somehow I realized that there are not so many real opportunists among the opportunists. Released by age from the Komsomol on free bread. Two of my little fellow communists got their captains six months earlier than I did, and I used the saved contributions to treat this avant-garde with cognac. By the way, one, when it was necessary to show communist internationalism and the fifth or tenth, somehow very nicely dumped on a vacancy on the outskirts of our great country and in the end remained with his clearance with four stars and a party card. But alive and well. Well, and I am a non-party mischief-maker and an honest communist comrade went into the national economy with absolutely identical shoulder straps. Star with two gleams. I also saved on contributions and did not receive money for immorality. And there was a reason. A person should be honest with his conscience, if he has one. Then everything will be fine.

[kalibr]

Quote: Captive

No, he’s not a Penza citizen, and somehow I didn’t have a chance to work at enterprises.

Then they wouldn't write ...

[vladcub]

Good evening. I am glad that there is an opportunity to chat with friends and read interesting things.
I'm not a young lady to admire V. Oh, but he KNOWS TO WRITE INTERESTINGLY.
I don't even always agree with him, but you have to read and think carefully to argue

[depressant]

I support you, Svyatoslav! )))
And I respect the courage of Vyacheslav Olegovich, with which he gave himself up to the slaughter as a former propagandist of the policy of the pseudo-CPSU, to which the party slipped by the 80s.
But on the occasion of the upcoming May Day, he could give an article about the origins of the holiday, they say, who, where, when and why, how and where they celebrated, and thus take the blow away from himself. But I didn't go the easy way))))

[kalibr]

Quote: depressant

But on the occasion of the upcoming May Day, he could give an article about the origins of the holiday, they say, who, where, when and why, how and where they celebrated,

I wrote about this so often before that I am not interested now. And the "blows" ha ha. Basically, this is the opinion of the ignorant, who NEVER HAVE NEVER HOLD the primary materials and documents in their hands. Do you remember what you wrote about Pushkin? "... And she feeds on fables." But these are not fables. There are links to every fact and figure ...

[Aviator_]

Did you not hesitate to receive money for your verbiage of that time? Or just now he saw?

[for]

Quote: Aviator_

Did you not hesitate to receive money for your verbiage of that time?

He still gets for verbiage. Money doesn't smell.

[kalibr]

Getting paid for a good job is not a shame. Shame for the bad!

[kalibr]

Quote: vladcub

and think to argue

You wrote this very well, Vladislav. It’s bad that not everyone knows how, and they don’t want to. And the memory is bad ...

[depressant]

Vyacheslav Olegovich, I also inadvertently entered into a dispute, but not in this commentary on Svyatoslav's post, but to the one above. Eh, as they say, I'll grab it!
And why did I do it? Probably, as always, a sense of justice spoke extremely inappropriately in me.

[vladcub]

"a very evil satire", but indeed there is a lot of satire in the film, but Ryazanov managed to hide the satire so as not to tease the geese with straightforward satire.

[Prisoner]

Did he hide it? There, this satire is rushing, that mother do not cry! It seems that the film gained popularity not only because of the songs, but also because of the savory satire.

[3x3zsave]

"Next Saturday, almost the whole city gathered to listen to the word of God ..."
Bravo, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

[kalibr]

It took a long time to pick up the epigraph, Anton. Until I found it. Liked, I see, not only me, but also you. Glad!

[Undecim]

I am reading the article, Vyacheslav Olegovich, as if I were going back almost forty years ago. From 1984 to 1988 I was a Komsomol organizer of the shop and often replaced the Komsomol organizer of the plant. So I remember the whole stream of guidelines on agitprop that you described well.
The Soviet agitprop of the late USSR can be written as a model of a waste of enormous resources.

[kalibr]

Quote: Undecim

The Soviet agitprop of the late USSR can be written as a model of a waste of enormous resources.

I had to think it over and write at the end of the article as a conclusion. Eh, I'm getting old ...

[Undecim]

Oh, getting old ...

Sometimes gray hair is deceiving:
So the moss-covered bottle is age old
Keeps a stream of boiling wine.

[3x3zsave]

"And God said through the mouth of the high priest:
"Work and you will have everything!",
And everyone worked, but few arrived,
For those words were only for those chosen by Him "
(Gospel of anton)

[kalibr]

Quote: 3x3zsave

"And God said through the mouth of the high priest:
"Work and you will have everything!",
And everyone worked, but few arrived,
For those words were only for those chosen by Him "
(Gospel of anton)

Ay, yes Anton! That's how nice it is to know that there are smart people. A gift of fate! Anton! Will it be possible to take for the epigraph?

[3x3zsave]

I'll be honored!

[Korsar4]

And if you don't work, a bunch of other problems will appear.

[3x3zsave]

raising the level of moral culture, developing high moral qualities,
Isn't that the same thing?

[kalibr]

In principle, yes, but culture can be external, and moral qualities are personality traits.

[3x3zsave]

What kind of external culture could a Soviet worker have, well, in accordance with the "party line"?

[3x3zsave]

“With a feeling of deep interest I received the news about Mikhail Gorbachev’s trip to France,
Uh-huh. I, too, with a feeling of deep interest (sometimes turning into "black envy") follow the movements of such characters in space.
On the other hand, they cannot, like me, wander aimlessly around the city at night. Olof Palme's example does not give ...

[depressant]

... on TV, except for disgusting faces, with bulging eyes, exposing the horrors of life in
the old days - things seemed to be heading for elections again - there was nothing to watch.

Jerzy Tumanovsky. "Bayonet".

[3x3zsave]

"And you came on the business of your company,
I didn’t put on tea, as there was no water,
The President's speech was broadcast on TV
I pressed the button and switched to "you" "(C)

[Aviator_]

Olof Palme's example does not give ...

He, naive, went to the cinema without protection. And they solved it, it seems, because of some kind of arms supplies. He either signed or did not sign what someone wanted.

[3x3zsave]

He, naive, generally trusted his people, built "Swedish socialism", but it turned out ... There it is ...

[Aviator_]

He, naive, generally trusted his people, built "Swedish socialism"

And where did he get the funds for "Swedish socialism"? From the same place, from the profit. And how it was organized there - this is a great mystery. Somewhat later, another statesman - Muammar Gaddafi - also built "Libyan socialism" for his own people in his country, and he also ended badly.

[Konnick]

And where did he get the funds for "Swedish socialism"?

In Sweden, by law, 80% of the technological cost of production must go to labor costs. This old Ford principle of making goods for those who make them is well implemented in Sweden. The very concept of superprofit is impossible there.

[Knell wardenheart]

People who, in remote and general terms, imagined what to do and how to develop this direction received huge funds from people who even less understood how to fumigate the population in the post-stagnation era.
There was a lot of money, in fact there was a classic cut in the style of the "Intensive" artel from the "Golden Calf" - only on a national scale.
Freedom of creativity from the lower-level propagandists was not required, the middle level in it was very tightly constrained, as far as I understand, the need for further career building and political "conformity" in this regard, the upper echelon of agitprop was probably terribly mossy after the Brezhnev times, due (and the fact that in the system of vertical pressure all the rules and boundaries have long been laid out on the shelves) - "in fact" these people entrusted the task of the evolution of agitprop to the middle link, and they themselves were doing what they knew best - preserving and developing a career, wiping pants at idle meetings and the growing problems of their own health / commodity shortage and the preservation / expansion of their own benefits in this regard.

The glimpse of the relatively good late Brezhnev life was deceptive like "foolish gold", many saw some kind of development and improvement, but the dynamics of people were not impressive - so, on the one hand, the conditions in which life became worse were not yet formed, on the other, the conditions for the potential for a sharp improvement were definitely not achievable. This reminds me of an analogy from not so long ago, when movements like Young Russia, Ours, etc., simply and quietly curtailed, and the intensity of young passions somehow faded away and did not flare up anymore. There was a kind of interbellum between this extinction before the appearance of the public, which nowadays many like to call "Navalnyata", so, in fact, the same "interbellum" was observed at that time, with all the ensuing - careerism, political omnivorousness, an abundance of healthy demagoguery and already purely reflective pathos.
Such a psychological reversal occurs in 4-6 years, in my opinion it is a kind of "point of no return", when BEFORE agitprop is still quite relevant, it is "in trend" and can still feel a wave of moods, and AFTER it already looks like a kind of closed on itself a design that works not for efficiency, but because the uncle pays.

In a transitional period, when acceptable decline gives way to acceptable stability, which in turn turns into unacceptable decline, agitprop inevitably turns into a huge bunch of doubting people, riveting one dull game after another, if only there was work.

[kalibr]

How well you wrote! Taking off my hat!

[depressant]

And Knell always writes like that, he's smart! )))

[kalibr]

Quote: depressant

he is smart!

Yes! And one of my articles will be published with its epigraph.

[3x3zsave]

In 1986, lectures were given on the following topics: "Labor accomplishment of workers of the region - to the XXVII Party Congress", "XXVII Congress of the CPSU and the tasks of the workers of the region", "Decisions of the XXVII Congress of the CPSU in the work and in the life of every labor collective, every worker", "Time and harvest without losses, create a reliable fodder base - the main tasks of the agro-industrial complex worker "
Something in these headlines, I did not find the obligations of the leading stratum of society to the bulk of the population. In this regard, I recall Kinchev:
"You and I will honor the law,
I am your servant, you are my hegemon! "(C)

[vladcub]

"with a feeling of deep interest I received the message about MS Gorbachev's trip to France" I remember - I remember this period. The guys then humored: let him at least admire the beauties, otherwise the horror story itself.

[depressant]

To France? And to England? The very trip that told me everything - what is, what will be and how it will end! Why doesn't anyone remember her?

[3x3zsave]

Well, and in Saratov in January 1986, they came up with a single political day throughout the region, at which a lecture was to be given: "A world without wars, without weapons - the ideal of socialism."
This is in Saratov ... In the area of ​​which the main stocks of chemical weapons and the main base of strategic bombers were concentrated.

[tatra]

Paid propagandists of power are a "mirror" of power, through them the power honestly tells everything about itself. If the government knows that it is working for the good of the country and the people, then its propagandists praise the government for what it has done useful for its country and people. And if the government is such that all Russian enemies of the USSR are "better off now than in the USSR," then its paid propagandists instill anger and hatred, they are rude, insult, and humiliate the citizens of this country.

[Squelcher]

And that in the USSR, propagandists out of altruism worked? And did not humiliate people with their crooked lie, believed that they can lie for the sake of ideology?

[Victorio]

So it's no exaggeration to saythat it was thanks to the massive processing of the public consciousness of Soviet citizens and their lack of real opportunities to receive information from abroad and read the literature hidden in the special storage of "Leninka" that the party leadership in our country lasted so long. But in the end it turned out to be untenable.
===
not just an exaggeration, but a very strong exaggeration.
I do not recall from my childhood / youth / youth the "massive processing" of my consciousness, and the available literature in stores and in the library was more than enough to form a personality.

[kalibr]

Quote: Victorio

the library was more than enough to form a personality.

Misconception. The personality was formed ... flawed. Otherwise, we would still live in the USSR today

[Victorio]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Victorio

the library was more than enough to form a personality.

Misconception. Personality was formed ... flawed... Otherwise, we would still live in the USSR today

===
in this case, the person who took a significant part in the formation (according to your publication) must be no less (at least or even more) damaged. You don’t consider yourself that way, or you were reborn / grew up not flawed !?

[faterdom]

The propaganda of those times is something.
One of the reasons for the growing irritation among the people.
The officers in the army either had to be the leader of a group of political studies, or themselves endlessly study in a circle at the so-called University of Marxism-Leninism, for two years each time.
Our engineer for the repair of communications, there were four stars on his shoulder straps, despite the completed academy (not a drop of alcohol to the left - everything in the stomach!), But there are six or seven UML diplomas! Once I prevented him from selling one such diploma to an Uzbek soldier, whom he convinced that with this he would definitely be hired as a rais in the district party committee in his native Uzbekistan ...
He was offended at me, but in vain - a soldier cannot be deceived, be he even an Uzbek or a Tuvan.
The saddest thing is that from the era when everything and everyone can talk, we are again rolling into a beautiful country of beautiful mantras, where salaries are growing unprecedented, there is almost no inflation, governors cannot fall asleep until they figure out what they will do for the people tomorrow ...
And everyone is applauding, applauding, applauding ...
"Op mane padre hum," as they say ... Hare Krishna, hare ...

[depressant]

Colleague, after all, propaganda is not even of capitalism, but of something that is somehow cobbled together, much more aggressive than the weak efforts of the propagandists of the 80s.
The essence of the simplest method is to publish the data of a sociological survey before the elections, according to which a leader enjoys unprecedented support or popularity. As a result, real support for this leader grows, since people have a herd animal instinct and a tendency to follow the opinion of the majority. Any sane person will have doubts about the reliability of these figures (given the number of negatively-minded citizens in recent years) and soon he realizes that the rating of the figure is seriously overestimated. But the whole point is that the people as a society are not at all sane. Consisting of individual sane people, a society, assembled from them and not fully versed in the numerous deceptive methods of current propaganda, tired of the need to look for where and in what it, society, was defrauded, waves its hand and begins to take propaganda at its word.
Taking advantage of this, the corrupt anti-popular media makes the ordinary man in the street with unstable views doubt that he is doing the right thing without supporting the politician imposed on him, and there are two results. Doubt arises in the fidelity of his own distrust, and the person begins to support what is imposed on him.
Or the person is demoralized, which forces him to keep his opinion to himself. Both results play into the hands of capital propagandists, aerobatics! Socialist propagandists from the 80s are children compared to mugs on TV.
And the box is working!
All the last years he was silent, and now the loud, on the verge of hysteria, televoices screamed from all sides, from all the apartments. People are looking for at least some point of support.

[Squelcher]

The box only works then - two channels without alternatives! And those who disagree are forcibly treated in psychiatric clinics.
Now 200 cable and internet?
The communists have been punctured by constant lies for the sake of propaganda. People do not believe you, that's all, the Communist Party finances 70 percent of the budget.

[tatra]

Since Gorbachev gave the enemies of the communists freedom of speech, they all proved that, firstly, they are pathological liars and hypocrites with a mental inclination to slanderous accusations of crimes against others, and a categorical refusal to admit guilt for their own crimes, and secondly, people with big mental problems. Only such people can bear frank delirium that one country can feed the whole world, that countries can fall apart by themselves, because they have rotted away, that in a war you can defeat an enemy who attacked the country by throwing corpses on him, shooting your soldiers in the back, and a long list of schizophrenic delusions.

[Squelcher]

Here you are the crimes and lies of the Communists and deny with the stubbornness of a schizophrenic, and the people see why the Communist Party lives on handouts from the budget. The fact is that the period of the USSR is a part of history in which, as in all periods, great light and dark deeds were performed, normal people understand this, but schizophrenics do not. It is normal for you to pour dirt on the history of Ingushetia and the present, moreover, if you mention real historical moments that do not fight with your religiosity about the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the period of the USSR, you get hysterical. The funny thing is that you, the political workers of the CPSU for the sake of propaganda, fired into the past with a lie, now the past is firing at you from a cannon. So there is nothing to be surprised at.

[vladcub]

In fact, from Zyuganov, the same ideological Bolshevik is from the balarina's beggar

[Pissarro]

Interestingly, the author himself believed in what he was promoting? Comparison with the apostles, I think, is not entirely correct, they believed and were ready to give their lives for their words. And they did. Yes, and in the Civil War, both sides fought to the death for their beliefs. And the last communists of all levels have merged everything.

[Aviator_]

And the last communists of all levels have merged everything.

Well, what are they communists. These "middle-level propagandists" are middle-level Gorbachevs, and nothing more.

[kalibr]

Quote: Pissarro

Interestingly, the author himself believed in what he was promoting?

Until 1986 I believed. Then he began to doubt, but believed that the party was smart and would cope, that the "wall was strong", that the most difficult year of 1995 was ahead. When he comes - we will think ... You read the article, right?

[Pissarro]

I read it carefully. I agree with the above. I was not interested in the question of the late Soviet society, but the question of a separate Soviet propagandist. That is, the very need to carry to the masses what, in principle, disappointed and in which you do not believe. Why didn't you leave?

[kalibr]

Quote: Pissarro

That is, the very need to bring to the masses what, in principle, disappointed and in which you do not believe. Why didn't you leave?

Sergei, you are some kind of strange ... "Gone"? What for? I had an interesting job, an interesting extra income as a lecturer. I gave interesting lectures, people liked them. And for big problems ... I wanted to sneeze. That was not my mind. Why leave? Many people thought "there" will be able to cope. But they won't cope - I was sure that I would find a place for myself in any case, as an interpreter, shooting instructor, journalist ... So she, by the way, happened. After the abolition of the CPSU and our specialty, we were all dismissed for six months to undergo retraining. And ... there was a department of the history of the CPSU, it became a national history. Only now there were no lectures for the people, it's a pity.

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: ROSS 42

They lied then, they lie now ... they stole less ...

They stole more, they just didn't write about it ... Now they write ...

How do you know? Oh, yes, I forgot about your high-ranking relatives - that's why you know, probably you were in a naughty way ....

[kalibr]

Quote: Radikal

about your high-ranking relatives

Another one with impaired memory. For the third!

[north 2]

“We don’t plow, we don’t sow, we don’t build - we are proud of the social system!” Such a verbal portrait was like a drones as we identified the propagandists of that time. And what they looked like, this is please - even though the Lector from "Carnival Night". And not because he is so interesting to us that Filippov played an excellent role, but because we will see Nekadilov leaving the cinema at tomorrow's meeting in the workshop of the plant, or at a party meeting at the institute, or at political studies in a military unit, depending on where who worked or served. But that's not all . After all, even such Nikadilovs were after all someone's relatives or neighbors. And what they are, the Nikadilovs, are different. It is one thing when on a propagandist tribune and another thing when a son-in-law’s salad with a muzzle at a birthday party ... Relatives or neighbors saw all this too. So people like the hero Filippov from "Carnival Night" were interesting and we liked them because they were definitely from our society, not invented.
Yes, we liked Soviet comedies precisely because we knew the Nekadilovs, Gorbunkovs, Kazadovekhs, Saakhovs by sight at our place or at work, or among neighbors or among relatives. I do not exclude that my friends or relatives also found someone from the heroes of Soviet comedies in my modest person ...

[Squelcher]

Calmly, evenly - objectively.

[kalibr]

Quote: depressant

sense of justice

A sense of justice is always appropriate!

[kalibr]

Quote: depressant

But the whole point is that the people as a society are not at all sane.

How well you wrote!

[Nikolaevich I]

So what is this article about? About nothing ? Or how bad were the communists, the communist party? And in what way were they bad? for 1986 it was reported that morality and ethics among the communists are not up to par. The negligence of workers and employees was noted, people abused their official position, such phenomena as drunkenness, embezzlement, embezzlement, loss and damage of party cards flourished (and in 1986, perestroika as such had not yet begun), separation from the party organization ... It turns out that many people it became simply difficult to live with double standards, because propagandists and agitators said one thing, but in life they saw something completely different. And we had to do exactly the opposite.
So the Communist Party is to blame? People were "good", but how did they become members of the party and "got sick"? But people did not join the party since kindergarten! People joined the party as adults with long-formed views, habits, human weaknesses, virtues (if only they were ...) and vices! But is the CPSU to blame for the fact that the communists were drinking, stealing, "immoral"? Often people joined the "party" in order to use partisanship. as a means ("tool") for acquiring additional (including material ...) benefits, a career, the implementation of various (often not "clean") personal ambitions ... The CPSU is the ruling, leading organization in the country ... it is difficult to avoid temptations, especially if personal "morality" is not up to par! The CPSU structure designed to ensure the effectiveness of communist ideology ... What is ideology? It's kind of a religion! Communist ideology "dreamed" of creating a new, that is, ideal, person, society, state! Failed ! And what ideology ... religion in the world, history has succeeded? Who will say? Or won't she? Did such ideologies as Christianity, Islam, Judaism cope with this ...? I don't think YES! There are many "parallels" between communist ideology and world religions! 1. Drunkenness, "immoral" of the communists? But don't drunkenness and immorality exist in Christianity ... and even in Islam? History has brought to us many examples of the manifestation of selflessness, loyalty to their religion, high morality ("ideological", if you like ...) by Christians and Muslims ... But along with this, there are many examples of immorality, apostasy, betrayal, depravity among the so-called , Christians or Muslims! And why are the communists "worse"? You can "remember" the former communists who "gave in" to the Vlasovites ... "instantly" who became bandits, thieves, bourgeois in an already post-Soviet country ... the communists Yeltsin and Putin, who became "candlesticks" at church events ... well, who remembers the communist from the "Communist" movie of the same name? Who remembers the front-line soldiers who wrote applications for admission to the party before the battle, knowing that in battle they will have one "privilege": the first to rise to attack the Nazi machine guns ... die in the trenches, but not retreat? Who remembers the priests who were shot by the "red" at the entrance to the churches, burned down along with the churches, but did not agree to give up the temples for desecration ... for stables and warehouses? Hanged by the Nazis for refusing to serve thanksgiving prayers for the glory of Hitler and German weapons? But have you really forgotten the "priests" in the Vlasov units ... a gold watch worth millions of rubles on the hand of the current patriarch? His vacationer on a "church" yacht? Driving on far from the "fret"? "Priests" driving around in "Mercians" and "Behahs", often drunk, "spitting" on traffic rules and other laws ... accepting "donations" from organized crime groups and forgiving sins to gangsters, giving them blessings (for their further " activity "?) ...
PS I have never been a communist ... if only because at weekly "political conversations" I always spoke with "inconvenient" questions! For which he "earned" a reputation, if not a "city madman"; then "without five minutes anti-Soviet!" But I always tried to be objective ... not to confuse "a fork with a bottle"! That is why I decided on this comment ... I decided because it turned out now that there are a lot of hunters to confuse different "cutlery" ...!

[kalibr]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Well, how are you different from Chubais?

And why is it necessary to be different from Chubais? Is he in jail for murder? Is he a pedophile maniac?

[Silhouette]

Chubais is a swindler. A person who misleads everyone. Deserved an understandable contempt.

[kalibr]

Quote: Silhouette

Chubais is a swindler. A person who misleads everyone. Deserved an understandable contempt.

From whom did he deserve it?

[Silhouette]

From those he robbed. From the side of the people who received the voucher.

[kalibr]

The people are grass that sways in the wind. Today one way, tomorrow another. But our popularly elected president has a different opinion of him ...

[faterdom]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

(and after all, in 1986, perestroika as such had not yet begun),

In fact, the start of Perestroika is considered to be May 16, 1985 - the "Decree on the fight against drunkenness and alcoholism" is the first radical step of the new secretary general.

[kalibr]

I can’t answer you, if I honestly don’t remember when this term came into circulation.

[Alexander Greene]

Anyone who wants to understand the origins of what and why happened to us in 1991, read the novel

Vsevoloda KOCHETOVA "What do you want?" (Magazine "October" No. 9 - 11, 1969)

Or read it from the link on-line:

https://royallib.com/book/kochetov_vsevolod/chego_ge_ti_hochesh.html

PS About the article: Another libel on socialism, on Soviet power
It is clear that a person is weak, not everyone can resist the temptation, but under Stalin, there were severe punishments for the theft of socialist property, despite the size of the embezzlement.
After his death, power was seized by the degenerates led by Khrushchev, who made a coup d'etat in the country. He began right and left to rehabilitate the so-called repressed, in order to justify them, they began to criticize the harsh laws on plundering socialist property.

Sick people began to feel sorry for those who were caught for petty theft, and Khrushchev expressed their hopes for the new Law, where theft within a few thousand (unfortunately, I do not remember exactly the number) was no longer considered theft, and the thief was freed from criminal liability for it. It was then that the thugs appeared.

By the way, the cotton case was inflated by Gdlyan and Ivanov, who did not investigate anything, but simply declared the top officials in the power structures to be criminals and demanded to bring a "barrel of gold", otherwise they frightened with terrible punishments, and people brought and collected gold from relatives, acquaintances ... When Ivanov and Gdlyan learned about these atrocities, they were removed from the case. But on the Internet, the bike with gold continues to be exaggerated.

[kalibr]

Quote: Alexander Green

About the article: Another libel on socialism, on Soviet power

I don't think you read it. The article just tells about the Party's successes in educating the working people and educating them in the spirit of Marxism-Leninism. What kind of libel is this? And for every fact and figure there are links to archives. That is, it was, it can be checked. Lampooning is when a lie is written, but here everything is true. So you are wrong. These are all the achievements of socialism, along with free medicine, education and sanatoriums for all. Lectures were also read to the working people free of charge! Where was this for the workers in America or in France? And our native Communist Party did everything to educate a new person, the builder of communism, and his intransigence to bourgeois ideology!

[ivan2022]

Quote: kalibr

And our native Communist Party did everything to educate a new person, the builder of communism, and his intransigence to bourgeois ideology!

By the way, in this very “native party”, according to the charter, all positions were elective and accountable to its meetings and congresses. A fact that none of the hereditary lackeys refutes, because they cannot understand its meaning. Brains are not yet available in the brain. THAT THEIR PARTY - THIEVES GIVEN - COLD AND WILL NOT COME INTO THE HEAD. Seven generations must pass - NOT LESS THAN SEVEN! And therefore, under any laws, power - for now, will be the arbitrariness of another master ... Though the master is "red", even the master is "white" ...
But I believe that it is unlikely that God will give time to such underdeveloped ones, because you have already lost your country ... and this very "native party" too, but you will never be able to create a new one. You will never be able to do anything but banditry and theft. The good gentleman will not come!

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: kalibr

What kind of libel is this? And for every fact and figure there are links to archives. That is, it was, it can be checked. Lampooning is when a lie is written, but here everything is true.

Business is that libel is not in facts, but in how these facts are presented.

Here are examples from your opus:

First. ... For example, comparing the number of children born out of wedlock in the USSR and the USA, you deliberately omitted the reasons, and made the conclusion you need that the USSR is badly morally, worse than in the USA. Although this fact is not connected with morality.

Second. You called the CPSU policy aimed at educating Soviet society so that every person was a conscientious worker, you called mantras. And Suvorov also said that every soldier should know his own maneuver. So here too, society needs conscious workers, and not those who are chasing a long ruble.

The third. You scoff at lectures where there was propaganda for peace, like the fact that it is useless at the level of the field. But that was also part of the upbringing. Look, when they stopped talking about the world, how many hawks appeared in all the former republics of the USSR, which dragged the people into internecine wars.

[kalibr]

Quote: Alexander Green

Although this fact is not connected with morality.

And what was the reason for this fact? With poor quality gum # 2?
So I called it mantras knowing how it would end. And then - oh-oh, ay-ay forward for the cause of communism. But by the way, these were indeed mantras.
It is ridiculous to talk about the world at the regional level. None of the hawks appeared in the regions of the Russian Federation.
So do not write stupidity just to write.
In any case, the scoop is dead, but we must learn from this, so that we do not step on the same rake.
And people are not fools, although not all. There are so many successes in the article that live and rejoice. It didn’t help. Hence, it is not about quantity. And in the given quality. Who asked him? The top, the Central Committee, following the "correct course". We know where he led.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: kalibr

None of the hawks appeared in the regions of the Russian Federation.
So do not write stupidity just to write.

This is not nonsense, this is dialectic, don’t you understand how Russian and other hawks appeared? They did not fall from the moon, each of them was born and raised in some area, and then staged interethnic massacres, producing their own kind

And at the expense of product number 2. It is felt that your thinking is not capable of more capture. You would compare the life of a Soviet person, confident in his future, and therefore giving birth to children, knowing that they would not die of hunger, and Americans, who had no confidence that tomorrow there would be no crisis and they would be left without work and without means of subsistence ...

[faterdom]

Quote: kalibr

I can’t answer you, if I honestly don’t remember when this term came into circulation.

Lucky, we didn't collide ...
And in 85 I graduated from a military school, first of all, they included this decree in my graduation classes on Marxism-Leninism (I got a question on my ticket), and secondly, the graduation procedure itself was shamelessly plowed up.
Instead of building up in the morning, presenting diplomas in front of the people and relatives, a solemn march with the throwing of iron rubles up and - solemn banquets in restaurants and other halls, everything is now in a new way!
In the heat of the day, in new officer's uniforms, we are simply marinated for half a day in complete obscurity of what and when, finally. Then - the presentation of diplomas somewhere at lunchtime or a little later - the heat in one southern city in July is very, let's say, strong. Then - all who have worn down a hard-hitting gunman fall into a small class (and graduation - about 400 people), where, together with their wives, they search in a common heap for their instructions to the duty station and travel requirements, at the same time finding out where the Motherland is sending you. Everything, of course, is also at a temperature above 35.
Everybody's Free. Despite the fact that ordering restaurant halls in an organized manner is prohibited in advance, and in Soviet times such prohibitions were easily and simply carried out, without any sentimentality, there were already many officials, from the saleswoman and above, who were instantly fired and fined for violating the decree.
Therefore, we dispersed to celebrate in less official places, where, naturally, everyone washed the first stars and drank vodka, from which they tried to prevent us with all this swinishness.
There was only such a recollection of how, instead of living like a human being, they began to live according to the crazy raikin's instructions to their husband.
And, of course, everything went wrong ...
And the decree was forced to teach and answer more than once, because vodka was obtained by us, young lieutenants in the troops, in spite of the difficulties and was eaten in due quantity.
So I remember.
And what came of it, we also see everything: the alcoholic Yeltsin and other drunken comrades destroyed a mighty and huge state.

[ivan2022]

Quote: kalibr

And people are not fools, although not all. There are so many successes in the article that live and rejoice. It didn’t help. Hence, it is not about quantity. And in the given quality. Who asked him? The top, the Central Committee, following the "correct course". We know where he led.

Heh ... heh ... all sorts of people, where to look ... Here you write about the "top" from the position of a serf serf. Another position does not fit in your head. That's the problem ! In the CPSU-VKPb, after all, all positions were elective ........ So in fact, you profiled your country simply because you profiled your own political party first. And create another, "correct party"? Yes, such a thought cannot enter your head! There are no such meanings ... ... to think about it, you must first walk the path of seven generations without slavery ... And there’s no time for that, too long, more than 4 centuries, you were struggling under serfdom.

[xomaNN]

In 1985 I also graduated with "honors" UML in the specialty (approximately) "Ideology and counter-propaganda". By the way, some of the courses there turned out to be interesting and useful. For example "Psychology ..." and "Sociology ..." They showed useful techniques. They were read by lecturers-associate professors of pedagogical institutes. But the party members mostly poisoned the empty heap.
I think that study was not wasted time. And I trained my brains, and "wheat from chaff" and then I knew how to separate

[ivan2022]

Quote: xomaNN

They were read by lecturers-associate professors of pedagogical institutes. But the party members basically poisoned the empty heap.

And who financed the training and salaries of these "teachers" for decades? Which party at the legislative level formed the country's budgetary policy and education spending?
As you were slaves, you remain. You have lost your own political party based on democratic constitutional principles. You put it in the hands of thieves. Because of this, you also lost your country.
But they are not able to grasp the simplest things that a civilized person should understand. The idea that a society consisting of such slaves is not capable of re-creating a progressive political party for all of you cannot even enter your head!

[xomaNN]

By this philippic I recognize one of the liberal-subverters - gorlopanov and adherents of the Gaidar-Chubais The current slave of the market