China has introduced the head UDC "Hainan" of the Type-075 project into the Southern Fleet of the PLA Navy

China put into operation the lead universal amphibious assault ship of the Type-075 project. The ceremony took place on April 23 at the Yuzhny naval base fleet PLA Navy in Sanya on the island of Hainan.

The President of the People's Republic of China Xi Jinping was present at the ceremony of handing over the UDC, named "Hainan" in honor of the island to the fleet. The ship became part of the Southern Fleet, which is responsible for the South China Sea and the Gulf of Tonki. Two more UDCs of this project will soon also complete the composition of the Chinese fleet.

As previously reported, at the first stage, the PLA Navy plans to build in three helicopter carriers of this type out of eight planned for construction. The first three of them were built according to the Type-075 project, the remaining five UDC will be built according to the modernized Type-076 project with an increased displacement.

The UDC of the Type-075 project has a displacement of 36 thousand tons with a length of 235 meters, which is comparable to the American UDC of the same class. The width of the helicopter carrier is 36 m, the draft is 8,5 m. The design speed of the UDC is 23 knots, the cruising range at a speed of 15 knots is about 10 thousand nautical miles. The ship can accommodate up to 1500 marines and more than 70 units. technology. In addition, the UDC can carry 28 transport and attack helicopters of several types (Z-8, Z-9, Z-18, Ka-28, Ka-31), possibly a shipborne version of the new Z-20.

The UDC's own armament will be, according to some sources, 30-mm artillery systems H / PJ-11 and anti-aircraft missiles HHQ-10.

By the way, the third destroyer of Project 055 Dalian and the sixth strategic nuclear submarine Great March 18 of Project 094 joined the PLA together in the UDC.

Comments

[Overlock]

Chinese comrades are working! Everyone succeeds and everything is based on the economy. And without her, and "neither here nor there."
Such news only spoils the mood, but in their place we could

[figwam]

Quote: Overlock

Such news only spoils the mood.

We are building a couple of similar ones, project 23900, but according to the plan, commissioning is only 2027-2028, displacement is 40 thousand tons.

[Kostyar]

We are building a couple of similar ones, project 23900, but according to the plan, commissioning is only 2027-2028, displacement is 40 thousand tons.
During this time, the Chinese will rivet 12-15 pieces !!!
(and we have also shifted the deadlines, as usual ...)

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Bone

We are building a couple of similar ones, project 23900, but according to the plan, commissioning is only 2027-2028, displacement is 40 thousand tons.
During this time, the Chinese will rivet 12-15 pieces !!!
(and we have also shifted the deadlines, as usual ...)

Of course it's a shame .. But there are ten times more Chinese than us ... One and a half billion is still a force! We are 145-147 million ... Half from the USSR ...

[Bagatur]

When Russia's GDP is comparable to that of Japan, then Klepat ships like the Chinese. It is highly debatable of course whether Russia needs a fleet of such mashchabi?

[Ryusei]

Does our enemy have it?

[Overlock]

Quote: 30 vis

But there are ten times more Chinese than us ... One and a half billion is still a force! We are 145-147 million ... Half from the USSR ...

Are you saying that the whole problem is population size?

[Victorio]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: 30 vis

But there are ten times more Chinese than us ... One and a half billion is still a force! We are 145-147 million ... Half from the USSR ...

Want to say that the whole problem in population?

===
certainly not the only one, but this problem was also with the smaller size of Russia. and even more so with the present.

[bobba94]

Why do we need more? This is the PRC's problem with the island of Taiwan, not ours. They need a lot of them ...

[Victorio]

Quote: Bone

We are building a couple of similar ones, project 23900, but according to the plan, commissioning is only 2027-2028, displacement is 40 thousand tons.
During this time, the Chinese pieces 12-15 riveted !!!
(and we have also shifted the deadlines, as usual ...)

===
I wonder how much they cost. make an order, the body and their engine, the rest is yours.

[rjpthju]

That is why the mood deteriorates, which is according to plan in 7-8 years, if the dates are not shifted. And what about the displacement, where did you get 40 thousand tons (or is it for two)? Share information ...

[figwam]

Quote: rjpthju

Share information ...

https://ria.ru/20210304/mistrali-1599849719.html

[rjpthju]

That is why the mood is spoiled ... The Chinese have one 36 thousand tons, we have 2 in total 40 thousand ... And when in fact they will introduce, God only knows. And the Chinese bake them like hot cakes. The same pace as we had ... under the USSR. And they did not advertise every tortured ship, but silently did it.

[figwam]

Quote: rjpthju

we have 2 in total 40 thousand

No, at the beginning, according to the project, the ship had a planned displacement of 30 thousand tons, after that it was increased to 40 thousand tons.

[rjpthju]

Interesting arithmetic. The Chinese have 36 thousand tons, 70 pieces of equipment and 28 helicopters, 1500 soldiers, a range of 10 nautical miles.
See http: //news-kryma.ru-an.info/news/v-kerchis-treated-to-con-building-Russian-Helicopter-carriers-the superior-French-
The data is different everywhere, but about 40 displacement (maximum 000 thousand tons) I have not found anywhere and have not heard before you. Somewhere, someone, wrote something. This is from a series of jingoistic patriots, as Shoigu proudly, throughout the country, reported on an outstanding achievement: 25 submarines simultaneously surfaced in the Arctic ... And the entire Internet applauded. And the Americans, it turns out, did it 3 years ago ...
On May 6, 1986, during the ICEX 1986 exercise, three boats USS Ray (SSN-653), USS Archerfish (SSN-678) and USS Hawkbill (SSN-666) simultaneously surfaced at the North Pole.

[figwam]

Quote: rjpthju

And the Americans, it turns out, did it 35 years ago ...

The Americans never surfaced through 1.5 m of ice.

[rjpthju]

Floated up. Specifically measured. I also met specific measurements - 150-something cm. Search the Internet, the data will be found. Example: http://samoe.su/vsplytie-podvodnoj-lodki/

[rjpthju]

US sailors have a record of 1.55 meters on the submarine USS Charlotte (SSN-766), November 29, 2005

[barclay]

This is Chinese!

[Catfish]

Hmmm, beautiful, powerful ships, smart teams.
What do we have, another auxiliary boat?

[loki565]

Hmmm, beautiful, powerful ships, smart teams.
What do we have, another auxiliary boat?

We have strange commentators on VO, when they bought mistrals from the French, everyone was bored why we need these huge troughs, but now it turns out they need steel)))

[Catfish]

I don’t remember being "naughty" about the Mistrals. Do not sing, by chance, otherwise you somehow turn out to be chattering, because you are addressing me directly.

[loki565]

Nothing boring, you just have to look at the archive of articles on this topic))) Rather not personally to you, but to similar commentators.

[Catfish]

If you have nothing to say specifically, then maybe you shouldn't shake the air?

[loki565]

What don't you understand? that a number of commentators are sneering about the purchase of Mistrals, and then complain that we do not have such ships, we only release "boats"?

[Catfish]

It is not clear to me what I have to do with it, since I have never expressed anything negative about the purchase of Mistrals. Refer to that "row of snide commentators" and do not fucking cling to the first person who turns up.

[loki565]

So no one addresses you personally, calm down))) Here any commentator can express his thought under any post, it's time to understand this already.

[Catfish]

... a commentator to express his thoughts under any post,

You just can't get rid of your empty chatter, In general, everything is clear with you, I already understood that for sure. And you would not hurt to understand yourself that by clicking on the "answer" button under someone's post, you will receive a corresponding response.

[loki565]

It's good that everything is clear to you, especially your statements about "cutters" are not empty chatter, go on, your opinion is very important to us)))

[Catfish]

Very convincing, especially backed by minus points.
Bye, theorist, happy swimming in the tub.

[loki565]

Very convincing, especially backed by minus points.
Bye, theorist, happy swimming in the tub.

Have a nice one you too)))

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Why the Mistrals were bought is clear to those who are at least a little interested in politics and know how to think independently. This was done in gratitude to France and its President Nicolas Sarkozy for settling the consequences of the war 080808. But the narrow-minded successor who replaced Sarkozy did not understand the situation and canceled the deal. And the Egyptians either do not have sufficient sovereignty and they imposed ships on them, or they thought that the troughs really have value, since such a scandal arose around them.

[hrych]

Quote: Sea Cat

What do we have there

I do not know what you have, but we have mooring tests of the nuclear submarine Prince Oleg, which, unlike the lousy UDC, is capable of wiping out such a country as the PRC from the face of the earth. The nuclear submarine Suvorov is also preparing to launch. 16 ICBMs with MIRVs. Here, the nuclear submarine Kazan is preparing to be enrolled in the fleet, and the nuclear submarine Novosibirsk is also undergoing mooring tests. Let them not have ICBMs, but Calibers, Onyxes and hypersonic Zircons are in the range of weapons. Another nuclear submarine Krasnoyarsk is also preparing to launch. Therefore, this year, so little things, a couple of Boreyev and a couple of Ash trees, such submarines ... eraser states ... will go into service. Oh, yes, the nuclear submarine Belgorod with nuclear torpedoes will join the fleet this year, and Khabarovsk will be launched. Also such boats, though they are worn by even smaller boats, such as Poseidons.

[Catfish]

In addition to "erasing states", the fleet must also perform a host of other tasks for which these "erasers" are in no way suitable. There is such a concept as balancing, and no one has canceled it when building a fleet. You will remember about the atomic bomb, then it is regularly used in the current local conflicts. Although, as you have there, I do not know.

[hrych]

So do it. Take Ash and go. Drown the fleet with Onyxes, beat the barmaley and Banderlog with Calibers. UDC is the same power projection ship as Ash. Take "cutters" with Calibers. What, you don't know that they didn't let us get the Mistrals in front of the Syrian company? Enemy reconnaissance is also on the alert. The coup of Yanukovych, so that to prevent our capture of the Syrian shelf. Your Ukraine was a stupidly auxiliary, distracting front. And the fact that Crimea was opened and, in fact, Donbass, excuse me. Nothing, ro-ro rokers and BDK coped quite well, provided the Syrian Express even without the UDC. No, snot and sobs continue. Here, the Chinese made another tub. What's the point? As Turkey and Israel cry, they say the shelf has gone from under the nose, including the Lebanese one, but they only shit in trifles. And the USA? Why are they not attacking our limited contingent? Yes, because we have nuclear weapons. You can't even get into this. Our nuclear sword hangs over everyone who is waging a war with us, even locally, even not locally. And nuclear submarines swarmed in Syria. Local war, yes, but there was the use of nuclear weapons. How? Yes, silently. The threat of use. If he took out the barrel while arresting the offender, but did not take his head off, he surrendered, is it not considered that he used a weapon?

[Catfish]

Excuse me, do you have something from that shelf? In general, everything is very expressive and pathetic, although all the eggs are dumped in one basket, but it’s still interesting to read you. Keep up the good work, I haven't had so much fun in a long time.

[hrych]

So the basket is one. There are no different baskets. Everything is one and interconnected. From this shelf, we have that it is not being developed by enemies and economic competitors, that the pipe in the EU was NOT built either from Qatar and Saudi Arabia, or from Iran. Therefore, the Turkish and Nord Stream are still relevant. The budget has not cracked, pensions have not been cut, benefits have been increased. Because of the second stage of the joint venture, the war almost started and Old Man was almost killed. If you're having fun, I'm happy for you. I answered your remark about boats, replied with nuclear submarine cruisers, but in response, laughter for no reason. It turned out to be too much for you, they say, give it less. Well, well, one Varshavyanka is on mooring trials, another is being prepared for descent. This year, two will be handed over to the Navy. Will these boats work? 6 frigates are under construction, about a dozen corvettes and RTOs will soon be delivered to the fleet. Are these boats suitable for local wars? So these boats with Calibers and Onyxes. Any UDC's belly will be ripped open.

[Catfish]

The budget has not cracked, pensions have not been cut, benefits have been increased.

And prices have not increased, and do not continue to rise? "Winnie the Pooh lives well in the world."

[hrych]

Quote: Sea Cat

"Winnie the Pooh lives well in the world."

Drank?

[Catfish]

Nizza, after the operation, the doctors forbade, and there is no such pleasure as before. What to do, the costs of age.
Have we been on "YOU" for a long time?

[Alex_You]

Remembered

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Overlock

only spoil the mood

[donavi49]

By the way 7 years ago this destroyer entered service:

Joined in March 18 destroyer of this project, a modernized series.

Each carries 2 VPUs of 32 missiles - Chinese versions of caliber and S-300.

[Alex_You]

Destroyers of project 052D, Chinese Arlie Burke. Beautiful destroyers that are American.

[donavi49]

In fact, this is controversial. Still, there are fewer missiles and a helicopter 1.

Here 055 is a serious match for a berk. Excess missiles, similar capabilities of a large-area radar, two helicopters. There are 3 such destroyers so far and one more on delivery (on the day of the PLA Navy, it seems they decided not to adjust, although they could).

Well, the video for the day of the Navy:

[bayard]

Quote: donavi49

Here 055 is a serious match for a berk.

055, this is rather the equal of "Tikanderoge", not "Burke". And 052D is equal to the first version of "Burke", apparently he suits the Chinese in this guise, but the second helicopter, of course, would not hurt.

[bayard]

Quote: Alex_You

Beautiful destroyers that are American.

Frankly, the Chinese will be more beautiful. Precisely from the aesthetic side. One can sense the Soviet shipbuilding school - many of our specialists from Nikolaev and others created this power and beauty for them.
Well, we can still be proud of the PLA. And even so, the deadlines are regularly postponed.

[Yuri V.A]

And at the heart of economic development is integration into the world system, and not pickling in its own hydrocarbon juice.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Yuri V.A.

And at the heart of economic development is integration into the world system, and not pickling in its own hydrocarbon juice.

And no one in this "world system" needs the Russian Federation, have you noticed? Their goal is 15 million people to service the pipe. Everything. It was in vain that they changed the USSR for jeans. There will be no one to wear them here. Bought as Indians for beads, now they live, happy, on reservations.

[Yuri V.A]

Yes, no one in this distribution system needs Russia, therefore, in order to defend its place under the sun, the country needs an ocean, not a coastal fleet.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Yuri V.A.

Yes, no one in this distribution system needs Russia, therefore, in order to defend its place under the sun, the country needs an ocean, not a coastal fleet.

A country can build an ocean-going fleet if it plunders other countries or colonies, and our capital is engaged exclusively in plundering its own. Hence - and such a fleet is not needed, and there is no money for it, what is not clear here?

[Yuri V.A]

Probably not everyone is as quick-witted as you are. Remind me, how many colonies do China, Korea, Japan have and how many countries have they plundered recently? And when our capital, represented by a handful of oligarchs, took away the last beads from you? Or do you identify their interests with the interests of the state?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Yuri V.A.

Probably not everyone is as quick-witted as you are. Remind me, how many colonies do China, Korea, Japan have and how many countries have they plundered recently? And when our capital, represented by a handful of oligarchs, took away the last beads from you? Or do you identify their interests with the interests of the state?

Probably
In addition to its interests in distant African countries, the PRC also has "disputed" sea territories, where one cannot do without a solid fleet; Japan is an island state, everything is clear here; South Korea's ocean-going fleet? I didn't know, really. She doesn't need him at all. As for the oligarchs, whose interests do you think the state of the Russian Federation defends? Who is in the State Duma, in the Federation Council? Who makes our laws and in whose interests, if you can get there only for such money that not every oligarch has? Are they baked for the people ?! Not, it is clear that the state will not "fit in" for just anyone, but for a separate group of people - yes. For example, for the "modest" musician Raldugin, I remember, and Garant himself "fit in". The state defends the interests of the ruling group. Or did I discover America for you? It's sad.

[Yuri V.A]

It's sad that you somehow quickly forget your arguments. So, who is being robbed by China in the disputed territories, Madagascar, not remembering Greenland, is also an island state, and they do not need a large fleet at all. And if you think that the State Duma decides something on its own, then you are still far from the discovery of America.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Overlock

at the heart of everything is the economy.

At the heart of everything is the availability of sales markets, and for China these are Europe and the United States, that is, the largest. Quietly you can't get along with yourself.

but in their place we could

If Western countries poured the same amount of foreign direct investment into Russia and opened their markets, they would.
Or do you think that the frantic growth of the Chinese economy is entirely the merit of China itself and no one else but him?
I remembered a fragment from the novel by A. Belyaev "Ariel":
The conversion of the inhabitants of India to Christianity was very successful in the beginning. Kingsley made it clear in his reports that the reason for his great success was his missionary zeal and his talent as a preacher.

In fact, the reason was different: the pastor attracted sheep to Christ's flock - "pagans" - from the lowest, despised castes. For them, the conversion to Christianity was beneficial, as it somewhat improved their powerless position.

So it is with China. For some reason, some are convinced that the reason for the great success of the Chinese economy is only Chinese zeal and economic talent. Well, the PDA, of course. And everything else has nothing to do with it.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

If Western countries poured the same amount of foreign direct investment into Russia and opened their markets, they would.

Then why most of our gold reserves are kept in the securities of "partners", and not invested in their own economy?
Can't we do without Western investments? Wife to uncle, himself to ....... aunt?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

why most of our gold reserves are kept in the securities of "partners"

Because it is a foreign exchange reserve, from the word "currency". Europe and the USA, and their satellites, will not trade with us in rubles.

Can't we do without Western investments?

That is, do you think that hundreds of billions of Western money did not matter to China?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Because this is a foreign exchange reserve,

Yes, yes, the usual excuse of the Zaputins who are trying to explain the need for investment from outside, when the money itself is many times more than recommended by the IMF.
The best reserve is a self-sufficient, non-raw material economy. But for this you need to invest in your own economy, and not in others.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

That is, do you think that hundreds of billions of Western money did not matter to China?

What does "That is, you think" mean? Did I say this?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Yes, yes, the usual excuse of the Zaputins who are trying to explain the need for investment from outside, when the money itself is many times more than recommended by the IMF.

Oh, necropatriots suggest following the IMF's recommendations? From this number!
What does "self-sufficient economy" mean? Is this one that does not depend on foreign markets?

What does "That is, you think" mean? Did I say this?

You yourself wrote:

Can't we do without Western investments?

No one bothers China to trade, which is why it is developing so rapidly. And from Russia, Western countries - I repeat, the largest markets - buy only what they cannot get at a reasonable price elsewhere.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

From this number!

Not. The Putin government is almost fully complying with all the recommendations of the IMF, WTO and World Bank. But in terms of gold reserves, it exceeded them several times.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

What does "self-sufficient economy" mean? Is this one that does not depend on foreign markets?

Yes, I'm surprised you have to chew everything up. Just don't be smart about the fact that in the modern world this is impossible, I know this even without you. The question is the ratio. We are now completely dependent on imports in almost all areas. And to justify the incongruity of the state's economic policy is simply stupid.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

No one interferes with China's trade, which is why it is developing so rapidly.

We have a huge domestic market fully occupied by imports.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I'm sick of.
You are like a capricious child.
Since adults, dear to your heart, do not bring you the USSR, then everything is bad, very bad, everything is bad, I don’t like anything. I will sulk and constantly complain about everything.

[paul3390]

If Western countries poured the same amount of foreign direct investment into Russia

It is amazing - in China, the Communist Party is at the helm and they are building socialism. We are at the helm of noteworthy liberals and capitalism. But the money - the bourgeoisie for some reason is carried to China. Don't you think that there is a logical hole somewhere in your reasoning?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: paul3390

But the money - the bourgeoisie for some reason is carried to China. Don't you think that there is a logical hole somewhere in your reasoning?

It does not seem. China offers extremely favorable conditions, in particular, low production costs and tax incentives.
Even now, the United States and Europe do not consider China to be a special competitor, since no such rhetoric of theirs prevents them from actively trading with China.
Whereas they always considered Russia their enemy, with whom they were permanently and are in confrontation.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

It does not seem. China offers extremely favorable conditions, in particular, low production costs and tax incentives

You don't want to rent out your apartment at a bargain price, but rent a room in a hostel yourself?

[mitroha]

Quote: paul3390

It is amazing that in China the Communist Party is at the helm and they are building socialism. We are at the helm of noteworthy liberals and capitalism. But for some reason the bourgeoisie brings money to China

They began to tumble into China in the 80s, to counterbalance the USSR, so about our capitalism in the wrong steppe.
Well, not the least role was played by the cheap labor force in China, which he took advantage of for himself. Take away from him now the sales market in the form of Western countries and he will be blown away to the level of a regional power, because even with such a population, foreign markets are needed for growth.

[Overlock]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

At the heart of everything is the availability of sales markets, and for China these are Europe and the United States, that is, the largest. Quietly you can't get along with yourself.

Well, we have opened the markets for you! What can you offer this market?
The share of Russia in the world export of advanced production products in 2002-2018 amounted to 0.2-0.5%. Those. how much Russia exports high-tech goods abroad from global volumes.
The main articles of high-tech exports from Russia are the aerospace industry (for example, RD-180 engines for Americans), nuclear technologies and equipment for nuclear power plants, the military-industrial complex - in 2019, exports amounted to + 15,2 billion dollars to almost 50 countries.
Wherein. The total market share of high-tech products in the world is growing, so at the beginning of the 18.2s it was 2018% of planetary trade, then in 21.4 it is already XNUMX%. Those. the market share of high-tech goods is increasing.
And we have - 02.-0.5%!

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Did China create these high technologies itself, or was it transferred to it by Western countries, along with investments, so that later, using the low Chinese cost, to earn fabulous profits from the Chinese?

[Greenwood]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And China itself, perhaps, created these high technologies

Do you have doubts about the ability of one of the most advanced countries in the world to create and sell high-tech products? Wake up, now is not the 1980s in the yard.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Or were they transferred to him by Western countries, along with investments, so that later, using the low Chinese cost price, he could earn fabulous profits from the Chinese?

A long outdated cliché. This is now more relevant for Vietnam, Thailand or Malaysia.

[Overlock]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

If Western countries poured the same amount of foreign direct investment into Russia and opened their markets, they would.

Why should they do it? After all, even a friend, China, took away investments in the Russian economy in 2020. Direct investment from China fell 52% to $ 1,83 billion in the third quarter of last year, according to the central bank. Direct investment in the capital of Russian companies dropped to $ 480 million. Thus, China accounts for only 0,4% of direct investment in Russia. This is nine times less than the volume of German investments in the Russian economy.
If a friend does this, what do you expect from enemies?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Is it really incomprehensible? Chinese companies are cutting their investments in Russia under the threat of US sanctions so as not to lose the American and / or European markets.
Or do you think why?

[Overlock]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Chinese companies are cutting investment in Russia under the threat of US sanctions so as not to lose the American and / or European markets.

And what kind of friends are they ?! Besides them, no one supports us anymore, but they shit, and we give them oil and gas ... at a cheap price.
The price of Russian gas for China has dropped to an all-time low - $ 118,5 per thousand cubic meters. This conclusion was reached in "Interfax", having studied the data of Chinese customs statistics for January 2021. Turkmenistan sold gas to the Chinese in January this year for $ 187. Even Belarus - Russia's closest ally, which Moscow subsidizes with cheap energy supplies - paid more than China by $ 10 - $ 128,5 per thousand cubic meters.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Chinese companies are reducing investments in Russia under the threat of US sanctions so as not to lose American and / or European

The case when American enemies are more important than Russian friends.

[barclay]

Quote: Overlock

but in their place we could

Could ... if ...
There is no one to work with us. Still, they want to be managers, bloggers and other "collars". And there is no one to turn the nuts and do other similar work.
They have decided to build a second branch of the BAM, but there are not enough workers. According to the plan, 15 thousand workers are needed, and with all those who wish, the railways. troops scored only 5 thousand. The question of recruiting prisoners is already being raised. And they also need to pay according to the current laws.
And the days of enthusiasts are over.
And you can also invite the Chinese ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: barclay

Still, they want to be managers, bloggers and other "collars". And there is no one to turn the nuts and do other similar work.

And who is to blame if our vocational school was closed? Who is to blame that blue-collar jobs have become synonymous with failure?
Under the Soviet Union, the prestige of blue-collar trades in both cinema and music was exalted. Now ...... Ugh!

[barclay]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And who is to blame if our vocational school was closed? Who is to blame that blue-collar jobs have become synonymous with failure?

Chubais!

[Ingvar 72]

VVP considers him to be an effective manager. He can't be wrong!

[Wolf]

Barclay you hit the center 10, the main difference is the number of population, and this is the foundation. When Germany was flooded with investments of the 60s, THEY WERE NOT ENOUGH WORKERS, IT WAS NOT A QUESTION OF MONEY AND RUR AND WHO INVESTED AND HOW. Germany began to import labor from a huge amount. Today, in Germany, there are almost 8-9.000.000 Turks, more than 10% of the population of Turks, but where are the rest?
Big capital has no choice but to invest in China. 1.500.000.000 population, people are disciplined, moderately well educated, the party is organized, the level of corruption is low, and the average salary is low (compared to the West and East).
There is no consequence that no one in Russia wants to work as a welder, but simply a consequence that the people do not grow as an economy.
Why the people do not grow, this is a deep reason and has long been acting on the beginning of the 20th century, the beginning of the destruction of private agriculture, which was the main generator of population growth, and earlier it was tzv "Equality of man and woman" under this password they did that the wages of men at a real level of salary decreased that he could not economically provide for his family, his wife was not free, but there was compulsion to work to grow children and then whoever will give birth to more than 1-2 ribonkas, there is no time and strength to grow up children. Etc......

[Greenwood]

Quote: barclay

And the days of enthusiasts are over.

In the days of enthusiasts, these same enthusiasts enjoyed the many social benefits provided by the state. What can the state offer now?

[Cananecat]

Quote: Overlock

Such news only spoils the mood.

But I wonder, do they have the same problems with turbines on their ships as those that they supplied to us?

[bayard]

They supplied us with a diesel engine. Civil, licensed assembly. These are not suitable for operation on warships.
So they didn't adapt.
And now they have no problems with turbines. For a long time, nikolayevets supported them, including the supply of components. And now everything seems to be already by itself Learn quickly.

[bayard]

Quote: Overlock

Such news only spoils the mood, but in their place we could

And we were in their place. And now they are on ours.
Under the state "As under Nicholas II" there can be no other result - only a new "Tsushima" with other consequences.

[Doccor18]

Amazing pace.
Lehman believes that the blind build-up of naval forces and the erection of "sea bastions" is utopian and erroneous.
In my opinion, he is disingenuous. And how else to protect your trade, your interests, your coast, if not a large and efficient fleet ..?

[yehat2]

The chain is very simple.
China's development needs 3 external conditions - sales, resources and logistics
China has established sales. 70 percent of resources are provided
and the logistics are almost all by sea. Therefore, a merchant fleet and means of ensuring navigation are being built, not only a combat fleet - logistic bases, representative offices, naval bases, etc.
At the same time, China is also trying to diversify as much as possible - railway transportation, the Northern Sea Route.
The truth is, so far with transport aviation, it turns out poorly - so far the industry does not cope with the required level of technology.

[Evil 55]

Is China preparing an analogue of Operation Sea Lion?

[voyaka uh]

Against Taiwan - definitely.
And to protect their semi-legal islands in the South Sea

[Alexey-74]

One can only envy the pace of ship construction and delivery to the PRC fleet.

[svp67]

This is "state acceptance", there are THREE warships of the ocean zone at once ... People are working.

[International Observer]

By the way, the third destroyer of Project 055 Dalian and the sixth strategic nuclear submarine Great March 18 of Project 094 joined the PLA together in the UDC.

China has built a lot of military equipment, and will build even more ... but, on a global scale, it is not moving anywhere in the direction of the United States or anywhere else.
I think China has a much more important enemy ... just China has not yet called it an enemy ... has not called it openly, and everything else is already happening, in our Far East as well.
Think about it, because the obvious cannot be unimportant in this case.

[donavi49]

everything else is already happening, in our Far East

Well, you have mutually exclusive parameters. Or they will go on destroyers across Siberia .

The recognized focus on the navy, space, high technologies, and the Air Force is generally positive for Russia. When Xi begins to receive 1000 à la Armat and hand the banner to the newly formed ground armies, then panic can be raised.

[Nastia makarova]

you are illiterate troll

[Greenwood]

Quote: International Observer

and everything else is already happening, in our Far East

What exactly is going on?

[tralflot1832]

While Lizka reaches China, the latter will build one more fleet!

[Old26]

Quote: hrych

I do not know what you have, but we have mooring tests of the nuclear submarine Prince Oleg, which, unlike the lousy UDC, is capable of wiping out a country like China. The nuclear submarine Suvorov is also preparing to launch. 16 ICBMs with MIRVs.

In addition to the UDC and the destroyer, the SIXTH boat of project 094 was also accepted into the fleet.C 16 SLBM equipped with a MIRV

[Ryaruav]

no one would have thought in the 70s that China would become so rich

[XXXIII]

Quote: Ryaruav

no one would have thought in the 70s that China would become so rich

This is what a plate of rice does, only the size of the plate is not specified.

[XXXIII]

Well done, they work and know what they are doing, quietly, slowly.

[ramzay21]

Well done Chinese, it is clear that people are working.