Kravchuk: Russia itself made Ukraine an enemy

The chairman of the Ukrainian delegation to the Trilateral Contact Group, who earlier announced his refusal to use the Minsk platform for negotiations, made another statement on the current situation. And again, we are primarily talking about checking the combat readiness of the Russian troops.

According to Leonid Kravchuk, Russia "brought troops to the borders of Ukraine in order to intimidate Ukraine, so that we would become more compliant."

Kravchuk:

Today Ukraine is an enemy for Russia. But Russia itself has made Ukraine such an enemy.

According to Kravchuk, Kiev "still intends to resolve the situation through political and diplomatic means." At the same time, the first Ukrainian president added that "Ukrainians are ready to defend the country in any way."

We will remind that earlier Kravchuk on the air of one of the Ukrainian TV channels demonstrated the gun he had, with which he was “ready to go to the defense of Ukraine”, “to shoot back from the balcony”.

Meanwhile, alarming messages are coming back from Donbass. Ukrainian troops continued shelling the outskirts of Donetsk and Horlivka. The previous evening, the shelling was carried out using 120-mm mortars. At about 18:00, Ukrainian units fired in a southern direction - at the positions of the People's Militia of the DPR. Leonid Kravchuk preferred not to talk about this in an interview.

Comments

[Olgovich]

Ukraine is anti-Russia from the beginning: from a part of Russia they made not Russia.

And all these GUAMs and consistent aspirations to the West and NATO were until 2014

[svp67]

Quote: Olgovich

Ukraine is anti-Russia from the very beginning:

Initially, "Ukraine" is the BORDER.

We will remind that earlier Kravchuk on the air of one of the Ukrainian TV channels demonstrated the gun he had, with which he was “ready to go to the defense of Ukraine”, “to shoot back from the balcony”.

By the way, it's a VERY interesting story. In the hands of Kravchuk was one of the guns from the collection of Goering Goering - Nazi number 2 in Germany. And it turns out that he is going to defend himself from Russia with a "Nazi gun"

[For example]

Quote: svp67

Initially, "Ukraine" is the BORDER.

Is this how you need to pervert your mind so that a word can transform an edge into a border?

We have an administrative-territorial unit well of Russia - the edge.

Krasnodar, Stavropol, etc.

ukraina of the same field is a berry.


And Ukraine is not an enemy of Russia, because it is part of it.

But all sorts of Kravchuk and their propagandists are ghouls. And the ghoul has always been evil.
The count is crying for such

[svp67]

Quote: For example

ukraina of the same field is a berry.

And what about the "Kola Ukraine" and also with the multiple "Ukrainians" on the old maps of Russia?

the name "Ukraine" comes from the Old Russian word "Ukraine" (ѹkraina, v'kraina).

That is, "OGRAINA", but most often it was used precisely as "borderland".

Quote: For example

And Ukraine is not an enemy of Russia, because it is part of it.

????? Sorry, but there are many questions. Lviv residents will not agree with you, as well as Transcarpathians ...

Quote: For example

We have an administrative-territorial unit well of Russia - the edge.

There was such a Polish historian Samuel Grądzki in the 17th century. Born around 1620, died in 1678. Contemporary of Boplan and a direct participant in the Polish-Cossack wars against Bohdan Khmelnytsky.
What did he write about Ukraine in his History of the Cossack-Polish War?

I quote literally:
“Margo enim polonice kray; inde Ukrajna, quasi provincia ad fines regni posita "

Which translates from Latin: "Latin margo (border, frontier) in Polish kraj, hence Ukraine is like a region located at the edge of the (Polish) kingdom", i.e. to simplify: Ukraine = outskirts. Outskirts, in this case, belonging to Poland,

[mitroha]

Today Ukraine is an enemy for Russia. But Russia itself has made Ukraine such an enemy.

And here you are lying, son of a bitch, you and the Nazis like you, in a bond with the oligarchs, have done with the country what it has become now

[fruc]

According to Leonid Kravchuk, Russia “brought troops to the borders of Ukraine in order to intimidate Ukraine,

Starper Kravchuk with a Berdan gun will sort out the situation.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

He lies and lies, the old Bandera henchman Kravchuk is still breaking!

[Overlock]

Quote: svp67

Ukraine = outskirts. Outskirts, in this case, belonging to Poland,

And if you remember Bohdan Khmelnytsky, who came from gentry of the Khmelnytsky family and studied at the Jesuit collegium in Lviv (1609/10 - 1615/16) (according to another version - in the Jesuit collegium in Yaroslavl-Galitsky (now Yaroslav, Poland)).
And they became anti-Pole after his personal farm was destroyed

[Olgovich]

Quote: svp67

Initially "уkraina "this is the BORDER.

unconditionally.

А УKraina -antiRussia. For when a part is isolated from a single whole, this part automatically becomes the antagonism of the whole: it has no other meaning.

[Terenin]

According to Leonid Kravchuk, ...

After any situation, Kravchuk makes the right conclusions: whatever they step on the tail, they need to wag.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Olgovich

Ukraine is anti-Russia from the beginning: from a part of Russia they made not Russia.

Not having time to become a state, Ukraine itself designated Russia as an enemy. Well, and how the Bandera government can become a friend of Russia.

[Insurgent]

Quote: tihonmarine

Not having time to become a state, Ukraine itself designated Russia as an enemy. Well, and how the Bandera government can become a friend of Russia.

They are elementary and suicidal ignore three main and fundamental "NOT"attributed to the pen of Bismarck -

NOT fight the Russians in winter, NOT to fight with Russia on its territory, NOT never fight with Russia...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

DO NOT fight the Russians in winter, DO NOT fight with Russia on its territory, DO NOT fight with Russia at all ..

Hitler forgot that too, but what came of it?

[Insurgent]

Quote: tihonmarine

Hitler forgot that too, but what came of it?

Hitler was an arrogant person, and the authority of Otto von Leopold von Bismarck Schönhausen is obvious - as a practitioner and theorist who knows Russia not by hearsay (served as Ambassador of Prussia at the court of Emperor Alexander II in St. Petersburg) ignored ...
For which Germany and the German people have paid.

[Overlock]

Quote: Insurgent

DO NOT fight the Russians in winter, DO NOT fight with Russia on its territory, DO NOT fight Russia at all ...

Could you give a source?
Literally Bismarck said: "What will this long, protruding far ahead strip of land between the sea and Poland bring us, without any depth - nothing that we will receive only in exchange for the eternal hostility of Russia?"
“A war against Russia, even a victorious one, will be (...) an undesirable event,” Bismarck wrote in January 1881 to the German ambassador in Vienna. "This is a dangerous war, besides a war that does not have an acceptable goal for us."

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Quote: tihonmarine

Not having time to become a state, Ukraine itself designated Russia as an enemy. Well, and how the Bandera government can become a friend of Russia.

Was there a Bandera government in Ukraine in 1991? - It was not. But what
was the only question asked to the SA officer who was taking the Ukrainian oath? In 1991!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Overlock

Was there a Bandera government in Ukraine in 1991? - It was not. But what
was the only question asked to the SA officer who was taking the Ukrainian oath? In 1991!

I don’t know about the SA, but in the SS division "Galitsien" they swore an oath to Hitler.

[Overlock]

Quote: tihonmarine

I don't know about SA

I answer: "will you fight with Russia?" Read an interview on this subject with at least T. Apakidze

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Overlock

I answer: "will you fight with Russia?" Read an interview on this subject with at least T. Apakidze

Of course, those who went to the Armed Forces of Ukraine responded positively.

[Gardener91]

Quote: tihonmarine

Of course, those who went to the Armed Forces of Ukraine responded positively.

The oath was taken by everyone everywhere in factories and factories. The main question was the need to fight with Russia. And the beginnings of the revival of nationalism clearly began to be seen from 1987, when a UNAUNSO cell was created in each regional center, then the right sector, and so on.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gardener91

And the beginnings of the revival of nationalism clearly began to be seen from 1987, when a UNAUNSO cell was created in each regional center, then the right sector, and so on.

I guessed about it, but did not know. Not all tentacles were torn off from the hydra, revived.

[Gardener91]

Quote: tihonmarine

I guessed about it, but did not know.

The hydra was revived by the spivvitchizniki from beyond the hillock, which had infiltrated the management structures of the underdit. It is regrettable that they now have the support of their financial moneybags living in the US and Europe.

[vladimirvn]

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Quote: tihonmarine

Not having time to become a state, Ukraine itself designated Russia as an enemy. Well, and how the Bandera government can become a friend of Russia.

Was there a Bandera government in Ukraine in 1991? - It was not. But what
was the only question asked to the SA officer who was taking the Ukrainian oath? In 1991!

They asked if you were ready to shoot the Russians ?!

[Overlock]

Quote: vladimirvn

They asked if you were ready to shoot the Russians ?!

Right

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Olgovich

Ukraine is anti-Russia from the beginning: from a part of Russia they made not Russia.

And all these GUAMs and consistent aspirations to the West and NATO were until 2014

It was this comrade-pan who made Ukraine an enemy to the Russian people! He began the construction of a state hostile to the Russian .. All these ukro sanctified (educational structures), the priority of one language over another, one culture over another, pitting one part of the people against another, the promotion of the Western Galicians to the authorities of Ukraine .. Now he clucks in a typical Western style (tse you are to blame!) accusing Russia of hostility .. Yeltsin was waiting for his accomplice in the collapse of a powerful country! It's time for Pan Kravchuk to go to the boiling resin boiler!

[Overlock]

Quote: 30 vis

It was this comrade -pan who made Ukraine an enemy to the Russian people

One? He took and made 50 million enemies? Are you exaggerating the possibilities of this hypocrite?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: 30 vis

It was this comrade -pan who made Ukraine an enemy to the Russian people

One? He took and made 50 million enemies? Are you exaggerating the possibilities of this hypocrite?

You have a sophisticated vision of the subject. Peculiar .. Naturally not one. In the same way that Gorbachev was not the only one to destroy the USSR.

[Overlock]

Quote: 30 vis

You have a sophisticated vision of the subject

What's your message?

Quote: 30 vis

It was this comrade-pan who made Ukraine an enemy to the Russian people!

You put all the blame on Kravchuk, why are you surprised by the question?

[Xnumx vis]

A counter question - did Lenin personally make the October Socialist Revolution? I know that I will get a question for an answer ... I'll try to clarify .. The leader, and in this case Pan Kravchuk is the person, the emblem, those who sign collegial decisions, take responsibility for decisions. So comrade -pan Kravchuk is guilty of Kravchik. He is the president.

[Overlock]

Quote: 30 vis

Lenin made the October Socialist Revolution?

The organizers were V. I. Lenin, L. D. Trotsky, J. M. Sverdlov, V. A. Antonov-Ovseenko, P. E. Dybenko and others. The immediate leadership of the seizure of power was carried out by the Military Revolutionary Committee of the Petrograd Soviet, which also included the Left SRs.

[tihonmarine]

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Quote: 30 vis
It was this comrade -pan who made Ukraine an enemy to the Russian people

One? He took and made 50 million enemies? Are you exaggerating the possibilities of this hypocrite?

Don't you believe that? And I believe, just as Hitler made a fascist state out of Germany, so Kravchuk (and here he is not a hypocrite) surrendered the same state from Ukraine.

[Overlock]

Quote: tihonmarine

And I believe, just like Hitler made a fascist state out of Germany

How long has Hitler been in power? From 1933 to 45. He had 6 years to form a nation.
Kravchuk was in power from 1991 to 1994. - 3 years! And that's all ... Since 1994, the "adored and dear" Kuchma has become the president!

I hope you find out?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Overlock

Kravchuk was in power from 1991 to 1994. - 3 years! And that's all ... Since 1994, the "adored and dear" Kuchma has become the president!

I remember not forgetting. For me, Kravchuk is like everyone else. They did not lead to good.

[Overlock]

Quote: tihonmarine

For me, Kravchuk is like everyone else. They did not lead to good.

The question is in the personalities!

Quote: tihonmarine

also Kravchuk (and here he is not a hypocrite) surrendered the same state from Ukraine.

[Overlock]

Quote: Olgovich

Ukraine is anti-Russia from the beginning: from a part of Russia they made not Russia.

Do you want to say that 500 thousand Ukrainian partisans and 7 million Ukrainians who fought in the ranks of the Red Army are "anti-Russia from the very beginning"? Are you not self-confident in saying so? And how then is this to be understood: out of the 11 626 heroes of the USSR who received the title of Hero during the Great Patriotic War, there were: Russians - 7 998 people, Ukrainians - 2 021 people ....?

[Olgovich]

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Do you want to say that 500 thousand Ukrainian partisans and 7 million Ukrainians who fought in the ranks of the Red Army are "anti-Russia from the very beginning"?

want to say that tens of millions, for example, Poles, Yugoslavs, Greeks, British and others, who also fought against Hitler, are ... originally for Russia? Aren't you self-confident asserting that to yourself?

And anti-Russia is that Russians in Ukraine were persuaded through violent Ukrainization that they were non-Russians. Now explain, for what kind of Russia, this was done and how Russia was this .... strengthened and grew.

At the same time, look out the window and see WHERE Russian Novorossia is located and who put it in there and that they do with her, brought up in Ukrainian. Or did they all suddenly appear ... after 91? Did the Kravchuk fall from Mars in 91m?

[Overlock]

Quote: Olgovich

want to say that tens of millions, for example, Poles, Yugoslavs, Greeks, British and others, who also fought against Hitler, are ... originally for Russia? Aren't you self-confident asserting that to yourself?

Do you find yourself overconfident when declaring

Quote: Olgovich

Ukraine is anti-Russia from the very beginning

It is you, not me, who betray the Ukrainians who fought on the side of the Red Army with your opuses.

Quote: Olgovich

anti-Russia is that Russians in Ukraine were convinced through violent Ukrainizations that they are not Russians

Then add who did it!
In April 1923, the XII Congress of the RCP (b) declared indigenization as the official course of the party on the national question. In July - August 1923, two decrees were issued in the Ukrainian SSR, one of which stipulated that newcomers to the civil service must study the Ukrainian language within 6 months, and those who are already in the civil service - within 1 year. Further - you will read it yourself, not small.

Quote: Olgovich

At the same time, look out the window and see WHERE Russian Novorossia is located and who put it there and what they do with it, brought up in Ukrainians.

Excellent! Who put Novorossia in there? AUTHOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Olgovich]

Do you find yourself overconfident by stating:

Quote: Overlock

Do you find yourself overconfident when declaring
Quote: Olgovich
Ukraine is anti-Russia from the very beginning

?

Quote: Overlock

It is you, not me, who betray the Ukrainians with your opuses.

it is you who betray the Russians, converted into "Ukrainians". And at the same time, common sense too betrayed

Quote: Overlock

Then add who did it!
In April 1923, the XII Congress of the RCP (b) declared indigenization the official course. Further - you will read it yourself, not small.

and who does not know, rather big?

Quote: Overlock

Excellent! Who put Novorossia in there? AUTHOR!

not small, read it yourself.

[mitroha]

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Quote: Olgovich

Ukraine is anti-Russia from the beginning: from a part of Russia they made not Russia.

Do you want to say that 500 thousand Ukrainian partisans and 7 million Ukrainians who fought in the ranks of the Red Army are "anti-Russia from the very beginning"? Are you not self-confident in saying so? And how then is this to be understood: out of the 11 626 heroes of the USSR who received the title of Hero during the Great Patriotic War, there were: Russians - 7 998 people, Ukrainians - 2 021 people ....?

And then there was Russia? There was a Soviet people, and these are completely different people

[Overlock]

Quote: Mitroha

There was a Soviet people, and these are completely different people

You are right, but the gentleman said that Ukraine was originally anti-Russian. At the same time, the Ukrainian SSR was formed on December 25, 1917. on June 22, 1941 Ukraine was

[mitroha]

The Ukrainian SSR and Ukraine, the essence is completely different definitions. On June 22, 1941 there was the Ukrainian SSR, after 1991. was Ukraine. And as I understand it, your opponent meant exactly Ukraine after 1991.

[Overlock]

Quote: Mitroha

The Ukrainian SSR and Ukraine, the essence is completely different definitions.

What's on the forehead, what's on the forehead

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Overlock

What's on the forehead, what's on the forehead

So it turns out there was one Soviet people, but now "head-on, head-on."

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Overlock

Do you want to say that 500 thousand Ukrainian partisans and 7 million Ukrainians who fought in the ranks of the Red Army are "anti-Russia from the very beginning"?

You have forgotten that these were Soviet people, just like us before 1991. But those people who defeated fascism 7,5 million of them have long been gone, and instead of them came people born after 1991, and they will no longer be heroes like their fathers and grandfathers.
And I do not know which side of the barricades they will be, but we will not sit in the same trench.

[Dmitry Potapov]

Test. But Ukraine itself made Russia its enemy. But Russia has always had enough enemies, it would be an honor!

[Model101]

Oh, a birch tree under the window is crying for you ... Bandera ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Model101

Oh, a birch tree under the window is crying for you ... Bandera ..

And the aspen, too, bursts into bitter tears, according to the "good-looking lad".

[LiSiCyn]

Old senile.

[Dynamic systems]

One more standup will not calm down!

[Vladimir_2U]

If there is no water in the tap, it is immediately clear how much ...
If the main enemy is Russia, you are most likely a Nazi ...

[Terenin]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

If the main enemy is Russia, you most likely Nazi...

Already exactly - Kuchma is a Nazi, after the prevailing puzzle with Goering's gun

[Overlock]

Quote: Terenin

Already for sure - Kuchma is a Nazi, after the prevailing puzzle with Goering's gun

And if the gun was TOZ-106, would it be a Russian?

[Terenin]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: Terenin

Already for sure - Kuchma is a Nazi, after the prevailing puzzle with Goering's gun

And if the gun was TOZ-106, would it be a Russian?

To the political color, communist-Bandera Kravchuk, the brands of weapons have nothing to do

[Semyonich from the Urals]

Well ... in many ways he's not so wrong ...
Russia itself put trump cards into the hands of anti-Russian forces in Ukraine

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

WARP NO MOGONM OV

What? :)))

[210ox]

The colleague is referring to the apparently complete failure of Russian diplomacy and policy in relation to the former Ukrainian SSR. It was a place for "downed pilots", bastard officials. I mean Russian organizations and diplomatic missions.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Here - I agree, of course

[Overlock]

Quote: 210ox

It was a place for "downed pilots", bastard officials. I mean Russian organizations and diplomatic missions.

What did not prevent them from jointly sawing the loot

[Terenin]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

In many ways, he's not so wrong ..

These prefixes

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

not so

extra

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

Russia itself put trump cards into the hands of anti-Russian forces in Ukraine

Something unlikely that Russia put the Banderaites on power, led by Kravchuk, a representative of the OUN. It all started in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, immediately after the collapse of the USSR.

[Overlock]

Quote: tihonmarine

Something unlikely that Russia put the Banderaites on power, led by Kravchuk, a representative of the OUN.

And who is interested, has poured more than 300 billion "green" into Ukraine? How did the current Ukrainian oligarchs make their fortune? - On sunflowers?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Overlock

How did the current Ukrainian oligarchs make their fortune? - On sunflowers?

Lard was sold in bazaars and vodka with dust.

[Overlock]

Quote: tihonmarine

Lard was sold in bazaars and vodka with dust.

The answer is not counted, you will not become an oligarch in the bazaars

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Overlock

The answer is not counted, you will not become an oligarch in the bazaars

I remember there was such an oligarch Gusinsky, he said that "... he started with waffle sticks, and then off you go!"

[Clear]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

Well ... in many ways he's not so wrong ...
Russia itself put trump cards into the hands of anti-Russian forces in Ukraine

Let's sprinkle ashes on our heads now. You don't know much about Ukrainian metal.

[Flashpoint]

Quote: Clear

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

Well ... in many ways he's not so wrong ...
Russia itself put trump cards into the hands of anti-Russian forces in Ukraine

Let's sprinkle ashes on our heads now. You don't know much about Ukrainian metal.

Gorgeous noticed!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Flashpoint

Gorgeous noticed!

Add to this ...

[Overlock]

Quote: Clear

Let's sprinkle ashes on our heads now. You don't know much about Ukrainian metal.

You don't know at all! That's why you don't understand!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Overlock

You don't know at all! That's why you don't understand!

well, where to go to such a broad Ukrainian like you ..)) Today you have a solid monologue, no one wants to enter into a dialogue with you, this is probably because you are very smart.))

[Overlock]

Quote: Tank Hard

You have a solid monologue today, no one wants to enter into a dialogue with you, this is probably because you are very smart.))

You are not all or even half. You need to talk about what you know. This does not apply to you and you again run into rudeness. And I argue about what I know and not from the box.

[Okolotochny]

Your thought is absolutely transparent - Russia is to blame for the troubles of Ukraine. Maybe it's enough to post your nonsense? The Ukrainians themselves are to blame, first of all, their elite, which for 30 years has not created nifiga, but only grabbed.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clear

Let's sprinkle ashes on our heads now. You don't know much about Ukrainian metal.

And now VAZelina - "Get out!"

[Terenin]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

Russia itself put trump cards into the hands of anti-Russian forces in Ukraine

I know about the trump cards, in the form of swelling at the expense of the RSFSR, into the post-Soviet republics.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Terenin

I know about the trump cards, in the form of swelling at the expense of the RSFSR, into the post-Soviet republics.

No matter how much you feed the wolf, it still pulls into the forest.

[Terenin]

Try not to feed.

[Murmur 55]

Of course, etozh in Russia chanted about gilyak, knives, our youth galloped so as not to think that they were Ukrainians, etozh on the territory of RF formed "trains of friendship." And the Russians called Ukraine and disowned their kinship, the same politicians in Moscow dreamed of throwing a nuclear bomb on Ukraine, and Russian officials, one after another, stamped anti-Ukrainian laws and severed economic and cultural ties. It is convenient to transfer from a SICK HEAD to a healthy one.

[Semyonich from the Urals]

Well, those who chanted and galloped Russia and helped convince the rest of the people of Ukraine that the Russian Federation is an enemy ..
The same is happening now with Belarus ..

[nnm]

Thank you for bringing up an important topic. And why do we correlate Kravchuk's words about Ukraine with the opinion of the people, and not the authorities? Yes, I understand that the brains are heavily crammed with Nazi propaganda, but even the latest polls show that more than 40% of Ukrainians have a positive attitude towards Russia. And these are the results of Ukrainian polls that have never been biased (sarcasm)? Then we must share the opinion of such Kravchuk and the opinion of the Ukrainian people.

[alien]

Quote: nnm

Then we must share the opinion of such Kravchuk and the opinion of the Ukrainian people.

Yes, they should, and the Kravchuk's answer is:
"The Armed Forces of Ukraine violated the ceasefire 45 times in a week, two people were killed, one was wounded
“During the week, 45 violations of the termination regime were recorded.
The enemy opened fire on the settlements of the Republic, using 152 and 122 mm artillery, mortars of 120 and 82 mm caliber, BMP armament, grenade launchers of various types, large-caliber machine guns and small arms ""
https://dan-news.info/defence/vsu-za-nedelju-45-raz-narushili-peremirie-dva-cheloveka-pogibli-odin-ranen.html

Quiet Ukrainian night.
Transparent sky. Stars shine.
Overcome your nap
Doesn't want air. Tremble a little
Silver poplar leaves.
But strange dreams are dark
In Mazepa's soul: the stars of the night,
Like accusatory eyes,
They are looking at him mockingly.
And poplars, embarrassed in a row,
Shaking my head softly
Like judges, they whisper among themselves.
And the summer, warm night is darkness
It's stuffy like a black prison.

Pushkin "Poltava"

[Overlock]

Quote: nnm

Yes, I understand that the brains are heavily crammed with Nazi propaganda, but even the latest polls show that more than 40% of Ukrainians have a positive attitude towards Russia.

Somewhere like that! But 60% have a different attitude! But why it happened is an interesting question! By 1991, Ukraine was absolutely pro-Russian.

[Murmur 55]

Semyonitch, what was Russia supposed to do ?! To close our eyes further, Yanukovych has been removed, whether Russia supports him or not, has the United States invested too much in this?

[Semyonich from the Urals]

If the government of the Russian Federation in 13 year did not grab a stranglehold on Yanukovych, but declared that this was an internal affair of the Ukrainian people, then everything would have returned to normal ...
But we decided that it was too difficult and it was better to snatch Crimea ..
So much for the point of no return ..

[Terenin]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

If the government of the Russian Federation in 13 year did not grab a stranglehold on Yanukovych,

I would like to hear is Yanukovych worse than Poroshenko and Zelensky?

[Overlock]

Quote: Terenin

is Yanukovych worse than Poroshenko and Zelensky?

Or is it better?

[Terenin]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

But we decided that it was too difficult and it was better to snatch Crimea ..
So much for the point of no return ..

Think better what you will do with Bandera, until they have completely decided what to do with all of Ukraine, and the issue with Crimea was closed in 2014.

[Overlock]

Quote: Terenin

Think better what you will do with the Bandera people, until they have completely decided what to do with the whole of Ukraine.

Late, they have already thought of it. And the friend is right that

Quote: nnm

.... more than 40% of Ukrainians have a positive attitude towards Russia.

But 60% are not. what you plan to do with 60% of the Ukrainian population?

[Terenin]

Quote: Overlock

What are you planning to do with 60% of the Ukrainian population?

Nothing, if they like it, then let them continue to work for the EU.

[Overlock]

Quote: Terenin

Nothing,

then why

Quote: Terenin

Think better what you will do with Bandera

[Terenin]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: Terenin

Nothing,

then why

Quote: Terenin

Think better what you will do with Bandera

then why

Quote: Overlock

Late, they have already thought of it.

[Overlock]

Quote: Terenin

+1
Quote: Overlock
Quote: Terenin
Nothing,

then why
Quote: Terenin
Think better what you will do with Bandera

then why
Quote: Overlock
Late, they have already thought of it.

Then the Banderlog figured out what to do with Ukraine back in 1991. And today they no longer think about it

[Terenin]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: Terenin

+1
Quote: Overlock
Quote: Terenin
Nothing,

then why
Quote: Terenin
Think better what you will do with Bandera

then why
Quote: Overlock
Late, they have already thought of it.

Then the Banderlog figured out what to do with Ukraine back in 1991. And today they no longer think about it

The Bandera and the Soros succeeded to figure out how to destroy the state, and then to do it successfully. And what's next?
And, then, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, LDNR, Karabakh ...
Already tired of all these small but proud peoples with nationalists in power.

[nnm]

And how did they grab hold of Yanukovych, tell us?
What circles would it all return to? Roundabout with the ring line of "friendship trains" for the Crimea, Donbass? On the introduction of the anti-Russian policy declared on the same Maidan? Roundabout with NATO bases in Crimea and the Russian fleet expelled from there in 2017?

[Insurgent]

Quote: nnm

What circles would it all return to? Roundabout with the ring line of "friendship trains" for the Crimea, Donbass?

Well, we fought off the Bandera trains "hand-to-hand", but the tanks thrown by the junta to suppress the recalcitrant Donbass could not be stopped with our hands ...

2/3 of our territory is under occupation.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

If the government of the Russian Federation in 13 year did not grab a stranglehold on Yanukovych, but declared that this was an internal affair of the Ukrainian people, then everything would have returned to normal ...

Under "own circles", as I understand it, you see the continuation of the anti-Russian domestic policy of Ukraine, by analogy with what happened under Yushchenko, the rejection of the customs union, the withdrawal of Russian forces from the Crimea to Novorossiysk, and so on and so forth?
No thanks

[nnm]

Good morning, colleague. So they were even more cunning in their desires - they wanted to stay in the customs union, receiving preferences, and to sign an agreement with the EU. And when Russia told them that this would not work, when goods from Europe would go through Ukraine to the CU without duties, flooding our market and killing local producers, then they started shouting that we were forcing them to choose between the EU and the CU. Just as always, Ukraine wanted to eat a fish and couldn't ride a bicycle without a seat.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: nnm

So they were even more cunning in their desires - they wanted to stay in the customs union, receiving preferences, and to sign an agreement with the EU.

It was like that :))))) Ukrainian foreign policy is something in general. I remember how they fought to buy gas from us at an "internal" rate (that is, for a penny - we are brothers!), But at the same time, we would pay for the transportation of this very gas across Ukraine for European users at European rates (and sho, the price is fair!).

[nnm]

Exactly! And what is their unauthorized and unpaid selection of transit gas under the cries of "my hands did not steal anything!"
Brothers, one word

[Overlock]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I remember how they fought to buy gas from us at an "internal" rate (that is, for a penny - we are brothers!)

So Belarus does the same

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: nnm

Ukraine wanted and eat a fish, and you can't ride a bike without a seat.

The authorities of Ukraine also wanted those who were close to the authorities, because the people of the country do not always want what the authorities “make up”. Hopefully no examples are needed?
As for the words of Kravchuk (she's still alive), they are no more valuable than the words of Yeltsin and Shushkevich. It was these three who signed the criminal treaty.
With regard to the "Bandera wishlist", it is time to understand that the desire of these bastards - to take revenge for the destruction after the war. That is why they are demolishing monuments to real heroes, that is why they are enraged that Russia does not want to feed this horde for free. So they rush about in search of sponsors who pay for libel, slander and lies.

[Overlock]

Quote: ROSS 42

With regard to the "Bandera wishlist", it is time to understand that the desire of these bastards - to take revenge for the destruction after the war.

Without a doubt! But how did it happen that 60% of the population turned away from Russia?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Overlock

But how did it happen that 60% of the population turned away from Russia?

And we cannot know that the Ukrainian people turned their backs on Russia, or on those who arranged such a cheerful life for the Russians with endless amendments and promises. Let's name the categories of citizens about whom the Russian authorities are fully concerned. That is why a number of questions to the Russian authorities arose among the Ukrainian population.
Under capitalism, there cannot be a commonwealth of independent states, because for each country taken separately, foreign oligarchs are nastier and bitter than their own homegrown ones.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Under "its own circles" ............ You see the continuation of the anti-Russian domestic policy of Ukraine

Indeed, they count on Moscow's long-suffering in their desire to lead Russia by the nose endlessly and with impunity.

[KCA]

Well that is from 1991 to 2013, Ukraine and its presidents were Russia's best friends, hated Bandera and Shukhevychs, proclaimed eternal love, adored the Russian language, right? And in the same Crimea they promised an eternal base for the Russian Black Sea Fleet for free, without demanding gas at half price?

[Insurgent]

Quote: KCA

Well that is from 1991 to 2013, Ukraine and its presidents were Russia's best friends, hated Bandera and Shukhevychs, proclaimed eternal love, adored the Russian language, right?

So this is so, that troch is not so

If you remember HOW the presidents of Okraina held their posts after they "gave a ride" to the mediocre and Russophobe Kravchuk, then a certain tendency emerges - they voted for those, provided support to those who declared rapprochement with Russia and support for the Russian-speaking people.

So Kuchmanoid and Yanukovosch "got out" ...

[KCA]

Yushchenko declared rapprochement with Russia and drowned for supporting the Russian language ???

[Insurgent]

Quote: KCA

Yushchenko declared rapprochement with Russia and drowned for supporting the Russian language ???

Excuse me, WHERE, IN WHAT PART of my post did you see the mention of Pupyrchasty, who came to power with the help of the "velvet", "orange" coup of 2004?

I did not mention him at all, because he was at least sincere, and did not hide his intentions to crap Russia, behind statements of friendship and rapprochement, like Kuchma and Yanukovych ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

But we decided that it was too difficult and it was better to snatch Crimea ..
So much for the point of no return ..

Lord! Why do women give birth to stupid children?

[qQQQ]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

So much for the point of no return ..

Maybe the point of no return was the support of the Chechen fighters and the sending of volunteers to fight against us? Or maybe this point became when the Ukrainian military shot down our planes in Georgia? And there may be many more when they stole gas, squeezed out business, banned the Russian language, etc. And all this was far from 2014. In fact, Russia did not lose anything by deciding on the collapse of Ukraine, it was just that your policy was taken out of the shadows.

[Semyonich from the Urals]

It's funny, though, that you missed Georgia. And what did our planes do in Georgia?

[qQQQ]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

It's funny, really, but what did our planes do in Georgia?

And this is not important at all, but in this context it is only important that Ukraine fought against us. Her business in that conflict was the tenth, to sit quietly and express concern, but she did not want to fight against us. In fact, it was the so-called hybrid war, in which they accuse us, but they, as always, did everything through the op, and we just repeated their invention.

[Semyonich from the Urals]

This is exactly what is important ... because our authorities have contrived to ruin relations with everyone ..

[qQQQ]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

This is exactly what is important ... because our authorities have contrived to ruin relations with everyone ..

I don’t understand how we screwed up Ukraine when solving our problems in Chechnya and Georgia? Ukrainian volunteers and military men killed our soldiers, and we ruined an interesting movie. Ukraine is now reaping the fruits of what it has sown.

[Semyonich from the Urals]

But tell me?
RF supplies arms to Azerbaijan? And Armenia?
Which of them shit on Russia?

[qQQQ]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

RF supplies arms to Azerbaijan? And Armenia?

Don't translate the arrows, the question is about Ukraine. We are not talking about the supply of weapons, it is legal when the sale goes to states. Ukraine supplied its military to Georgia, and Chechnya was not a state, therefore, in the first and second cases, Ukraine specifically waged hostilities against Russia, i.e. acted as the aggressor. We, thank God, remembered this and answered, though later, but better.

[Semyonich from the Urals]

Let us prove it, how many of those volunteers were there?
You can also attribute Yatsenyuk, okay

[qQQQ]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

Let us prove it, how many of those volunteers were there?
You can also attribute Yatsenyuk, okay

It does not matter how many, the very fact of their presence is important, plus the support of the terrorists who were provided with shelter, treatment (ask locals in Crimea how many bearded children were treated there in military sanatoriums), etc.

[Overlock]

No matter the reasons, the result is important:

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

... our authorities have contrived to ruin relations with everyone ..

A natural question arises: what kind of "relationship" was it?

[Semyonich from the Urals]

Relationships are a fickle thing. They can be improved, they can be worsened ..
Who have we improved with over the past 20 years?
Well, if only with Lukashenka, who has done it out of fear ..

[qQQQ]

Quote: Semyonich from the Urals

Who have we improved with over the past 20 years?

We made the relationship obvious to everyone, otherwise before that, behind the words of friendship with Russia, ropes were twisted from us, while remaining deeply Russophobic. Therefore, it is unnecessary to talk about the deterioration of relations, there was not much of them.

[Murmur 55]

Semyonich EXPLAINED to the Georgian army that it is impossible to kill the PEACEKEEPERS.

[Overlock]

Quote: qqqq

Maybe the point of no return was the support of the Chechen militants and the sending of volunteers to fight against us? Or maybe this point became when the Ukrainian military shot down our planes in Georgia? And there may be many more when they stole gas, squeezed out business, banned the Russian language, etc.

2014 became the point of no return, although everything you mentioned was before. It's just that in 2014 "anti-Russia" got out from under the veil and became a state program.

[Murmur 55]

This gas theft, the constant statement that RF does not let Ukraine into a "bright future", or like 08.08.08. Help Georgia shoot down our planes, oh well, they are independent and can support whoever they want ??? How much Russia bought turbine engines from Ukraine, zap. parts to the detriment of its manufacturer, it must be admitted that the carrot policy did not work.

[Incvizitor]

Just from the fact that the Yanyka left and allowed the pro-Western fascists to occupy the territory, and ukroreykh appeared. And in Belarus, the fascists are trying to seize the country only there power, the country is not thrown to them to be torn apart.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Murmur 55

Of course, etozh in Russia chanted about gilyak, knives, our youth galloped so as not to think that they were Ukrainians, etozh on the territory of RF formed "trains of friendship."

All Russophobic brethren are trying to exalt Ukraine and blame Russia for everything.

[LeftPers]

Grandpa is delusional

[Per se.]

Kravchuk: Russia itself made Ukraine an enemy

Who would say, one of the conspirators from Belovezhskaya Pushcha and a renegade party.

[nnm]

I want to share my observations: everything that we hear from Kravchuk, who is continuously giving interviews, is war, aHressor, shooting back and so on, nonsense in the style of Goebbels of the 1944-1945 spill. If we recall his howling on the topic of mobilization, then we can assume that he has already sung about the Volkssturm. But let's remember that he is the head of the TCG from Ukraine, which means that his main task is to find a peaceful solution to issues, compromises. And with his theses, he should be on some sort of "cotton wool show" or at Shuster's. Has anyone heard similar rhetoric from his visa-a-vi Kozak? I've never. Why do all the adequate Ukrainians who got into the TCG - Fokin, Sivokho, as soon as they start talking about the ways of application, are given to the Nazis and thrown out of the group? Why are people like Arestovich and the like who are raving about war every day in the TCG?

In my opinion, the reason for all this is the same - Ukraine's unwillingness to get peace in Donbass. It is impossible to talk constantly only about enmity to come to peace.
And with Kravchuk himself, it's even easier - he will utter his mantra endlessly, if only they once again showed on TV, remembered him, talked about him - he simply clings with all his might to any ledge falling into the abyss of oblivion after being in power ...

[Alexander Zima]

All the statements of the Ukrainian authorities about the white and fluffy independent UKRAINE .. are not worth a damn ... because the rot has eaten these peacekeepers nskroz .. then any sane Ukrainian understands .. especially from the south-"north."

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Kravchuk is already so mired in meanness and constant deception that all his sabotage and a penny is not worth it. The son of a policeman. Genes .. There's nothing you can do about it.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

that all his mischief and a broken penny is not worth

He is paid in dollars for his nonsense.

[Overlock]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

The son of a policeman. Genes

Father - Makar Alekseevich Kravchuk (17.03.1906 - 1944) [5] in the 1930s he served in the Polish cavalry, in the 1940s he was drafted into the ranks of the Red Army. During the Great Patriotic War in 1944, a private of the 480th Infantry Regiment of the 152nd Infantry Division of the 28th Army Makar Alekseevich Kravchuk died at the front during the battles for the liberation of the village of Gat, was buried in a mass grave in the town of p. Oktyabrsky, Gomel region of the Republic of Belarus. Leonid was raised by his stepfather and mother, who died of a stroke in 1980 in her native village and was buried there. - from "Murzilka"

[Cowbra]

[Quote][/ quote
What - no need to ask - YOU]

[aszzz888]

Kravchuk

This marasmatio makes statements every day. It would go where the feet are carried forward.

[alexey2073]

How tired of it. Can't Ukrainians still understand that nobody needs them at all !? West? Yes, but as a consumable and rubbish, on which it is convenient to carry out various experiments and experiments. And Russia does not need them anymore. By the way, a rhetorical question, in the light of de-Sovietization, do the Ukrainians want to get rid of the regions donated by Nikita-maize?

[Igor Ushakov]

Can't Ukrainians still understand that nobody needs them at all !?

Believe it or not, most of my compatriots understand this. Few people believe in the help of the West, even among the most ardent Euro-optimists; in my opinion, from half to 2/3 of people (at least in my case in Odessa) are disappointed in the system of state power itself and do not expect anything good from Ukraine.

[tralflot1832]

And then we wonder why the USSR collapsed when the party committee of the CPSU let such individuals into power!

[prior]

Where have the "ice axes" gone ?!
The most effective remedy for verbal "diarrhea".

[Pavel73]

The enemy of Russia made Ukraine the one who invented it at all. And the only way out of this situation is to reformat Ukraine so that it is not an enemy of Russia. This is very difficult because the current state of affairs is beneficial to the United States.

[maiman61]

Sharovarniki have always been enemies of Russia. And this Bandera bastard did not receive a bullet in the forehead from the NKVD due to a misunderstanding. This needs to be fixed.

[Prisoner]

Again the old doo-cancer with its cockroaches was noted.

[APASUS]

Kravchuk:

Today Ukraine is an enemy for Russia. But Russia itself has made Ukraine such an enemy.

Especially when the OUN fought on the side of the Chechens or Georgians in conflicts

[babylon]

Why comment on this schizophrenic Kravchuk, for me he is a corrupt rot, betrayed and ruined a large country, what's the difference that he said he was nobody and forget about him in any way and he will become nobody

[Yuri Tverdokhleb]

I agree with you. However, I, who was born under J.V. Stalin in the south of Ukraine, have to communicate with many. And believe me, there are a lot of people who were born in Russia, and in Soviet times, for various reasons, who ended up in Ukraine, who spoke Russian well, spit viciously and to their homeland and to Putin. Yes, and my fellow countrywomen, of advanced age, who received a lot under the USSR, are in a hurry to hide the fat-Putin attack. There is also the degradation and extinction of the most non-stale shit ... of the country.
I am convinced that the return of Russian lands is not beyond distant seas.

[Zaurbek]

He is right ... Ukraine had to be dealt with and by 2021 get a union state with loyal leadership and a single currency and main assets bought up by Russian business. So far, this has not been done in Ukraine either.

[Konstantin Gogolev]

The title photo is, of course, formidable. The editorial choice is interesting, because from this speech of this Nazi I found another, clearly preferable. In order to restore justice:

[aszzz888]

Konstantin Gogolev (Konstantin)
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The title photo is, of course, formidable. The editorial choice is interesting, because from this speech of this Nazi I found another, clearly preferable. In order to restore justice:

It suits him better! Let him always walk like that, and even when he goes to bed. And yes, he should have a white flag in every pocket!

[Oleg Aviator]

Well, it's not up to you to decide for the whole Ukraine and the Ukrainians old. Who was there in the Communist Party once) slut)

[rotmistr60]

Yes, present at last to this boastful senile Mazepa's mace (Goering's gun is already there) may finally shut up. It's just that this face is already annoying, not to mention the statements.

[Tektor]

You made the enemy of Russia for the Nazi Svidomo, Kravchuk, you will feed a Bandera policeman, it seems. It was in your genes.

[George Koval]

Old dypak!

[Lunaaron]

This is how the chutzpah looks like in the Bandera version.

[NF68]

Russia organized this coup in / in Ukraine?

[jovanni]

Classic: the thief shouts loudest "Stop the thief!"

[opuonmed]

Well, yes, in Moscow time, they shouted Maskalyak on Gelaka and went with fakils)))))

[Andrey1966]

Who did you get it? ©

[Vlad Pervovich]

giving her 3,5 billion evergreens, pig ..?

[xorek]

Today Ukraine is an enemy for Russia. But Russia itself has made Ukraine such an enemy.

And does Kravchuk not admit his guilt in this Russophobia? With him, Judas, in essence, everything began .. Gorbach -Yeltsin, -Kravchuk -Shushkevich ... That's for whom the gallows is crying, even those who left and in hell are waiting for "comrades" in the cauldron of popular anger ..
How much blood do they have from ordinary residents of the Soviet Union ...

[Severok]

Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yeltsin and other traitors and enemies of the People made us enemies.

[AntonR7]

ukrstan became an enemy by the fact of its separation from Russia as separatists

[Pavel57]

Kravchuk Banderovits?

[akarfoxhound]

Quote: Pavel57

Kravchuk Banderovits?

He himself said this with pride more than once, as in his youth he was a liaison and dragged the grubs to the caches of the Banderzyans. Then the caches ended, I had to devote myself to the Komsomol, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (forced to join, probably tortured )

[Gardener91]

Quote: Pavel57

Kravchuk Banderovits?

Terry! And from childhood, plastun.

[akarfoxhound]

Well, yes, and "moskalyaku to gilyaku" in 2013-14 is not a big banderzyan on muydan screeching, and so, fulyugans are passing, very bad because they are not local, yeah ...

[Gardener91]

Kravchuk is a shape-shifter from the Devil.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Gardener91

Kravchuk is a shape-shifter from the Devil.

Rather a child of the Khrushchev thaw.

[opposite28]

Today Ukraine is an enemy for Russia. But Russia itself has made Ukraine such an enemy.
Who's okay? Nivist! The favorite tactic of Ukraine, represented by the chairman of the Ukrainian delegation in the Trilateral Contact Group Leonid Makarovich Kravchuk, as well as Vladimir Aleksandrovich Zelensky, seasoned hunters gathered for the beast (they had fun with jokes), but as it turned out, not hunting, but fishing or mushrooming with berries, in as a result, they completely lost their way in the forest.