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Heavy fighting in Donbass - republics trapped

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Hello zugzwang


The formidable movements of the echelons of Ukrainian equipment were never crowned with an offensive and, most likely, the long-awaited offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not happen in the near future. There is no need for it - Kiev does not have to drive personnel into minefields and risk relations with the EU. As we have repeatedly predicted this both this year and last year, in order to strengthen its position, Ukraine just needs to increase the intensity of the shelling. Gradually destroy strongholds, equipment, defenders of the LPNR, so that later, practically without losses, take away small pieces of territory and take more advantageous positions one after another. Sooner or later, either take a settlement, or finally provoke Russia to intervene in the conflict.

In Moscow, apparently, they really do not want to openly interfere in the war in Donbass - sanctions will rain down on them. And what exactly to do with the APU - no one knows. Drive them to the borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, or even further? It is possible. But then what to do with these territories, in the destroyed infrastructure and maintenance of the population of which hundreds of billions of rubles will have to be invested? Drive several tens of kilometers away and liberate some small settlement, as it was in the winter of 2015? It is unlikely that this will help solve the problem - at best, it will temporarily postpone its inevitable solution, while unambiguously provoking sanctions. At the same time, it is extremely unprofitable to continue to be limited to “concern” and the holding of cultural events - image losses will grow in proportion to the number of civilians in Donbass, including Russian citizens, who died from shelling.

Probably, the corps of the People's Militia could help out of the crisis - if they were allowed to carry out full-fledged work to suppress the enemy's fire activity, Kiev would have to either pacify its militants or throw them forward. However, for unknown reasons, the response from the NM LPR is still sporadic and frankly insufficient. What exactly is the matter here is unknown. Either there is no corresponding order, or the corresponding opportunities have been lost. Meanwhile, the front-line cities of the DPR and LPR are under heavy fire every day, becoming hostages of the situation.

Quo vadis?


Kiev is definitely in an advantageous position, in fact, having caught the LPNR in the trap of the eternal and one-sided Minsk. The very fact of waging a war is beneficial for the government of Ukraine as a distraction, which can be attributed to falling living standards and regular political and economic failures. Under the same pretext, if desired, it is possible to raise the level of the fight against dissent and internal schism to the extreme. In the event of a partial defeat in the Donbass from the Russian troops, Kiev will receive a wonderful reason to call on the Kremlin to thunder and lightning, while demanding another installment plan or even debt restructuring from creditors. In the event of a complete defeat, the Ukrainian rulers will gladly pack their bags and go to spend the stolen goods in the West, where they will most likely be granted the status of government in exile. Russia, in addition to sanctions, will receive the dubious "prize" of the devastated Ukrainian land and tens of thousands of hidden and overt nationalists.

At the same time, the republics found themselves in a terrible situation, a way out of which must be found as soon as possible. Donetsk and Lugansk had enough internal economic, social and political problems to feel the fragility of the ground under their feet. And now the situation is completely out of control. The gradual destruction of front-line settlements and heavy losses in the ranks of the defenders will not only negate the few successes in the social sphere, but also bring a lot of economic problems. At the very least, we will talk about serious damage to infrastructure (already stunted), about the need to support refugees, and maybe about a massive exodus of the population. Fortunately, this time it will be much easier for everyone to leave for the Russian Federation than it was in 2014.

Looking for a way out


Frankly, there is not the slightest desire to be like a horde of network "experts" who are always ready to offer their ingenious solutions on any issue. How to get out of this situation is unclear. But it is obvious that in the very near future Russia will have to either intervene or bury the republics, along with illusions about "protecting the Russian population." If only for the reason that without the strongest mechanisms of pressure (or without a shout from Washington) Kiev not only will not stop shelling, but, on the contrary, will press this pedal all the way.

Today the only capital left at the disposal of the DPR and LPR is the able-bodied population. Moreover, this resource is rapidly depleting - against the background of the crisis associated with Vneshtorgservice and the not very attractive situation in the NM LDNR. Thanks to Russian passports and the simply loyal attitude of the Russian bureaucracy towards immigrants from the Donbass republics, the outflow of the working-age population is in full swing. It is not for nothing that the LDNR never published the results of the population census conducted in the fall of 2019.

If a way out of this situation is not found, and the systematic destruction of the People's Militia and the civilian population, together with the front-line settlements, continues, the migration process may go even faster than in 2014.

Then, after all, there were certain hopes for a successful outcome and a hope for revenge. Today, after six years of timelessness and uncertainty, the mood is much more pessimistic.

If the situation does not change in the foreseeable future, the LDNR may return to the recent past, when entire entrances in apartment buildings were empty. Moreover, there are serious doubts that all these people will return again, and that the system that has been somehow built over the past years will survive a similar crisis.
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  1. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP April 27 2021 18: 06
    +2
    Give it up. The only adequate way is to "drive" to the Dniester, and then rename Ukraine into some kind of Novorossiysk federation and leave it on self-sufficiency.

    But there is no such goal. Maybe out of fear of escalation, maybe out of fear for capital in the West. Or maybe it's easier - the occupation of present-day Ukraine will cost a lot, but there will be no sense at all.
    1. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 April 27 2021 18: 22
      +26
      Over the past 10 years, the authorities in Russia have stratified society as much as possible, drove people into poverty and turned against themselves with the same pension reform.
      The President's entourage is full of oligarchs and officials who, in fact, have long been foreign citizens who have come here as if they were kalym - their children in England, real estate in Spain, money in Switzerland.
      The West can always keep them on a short leash. And through them pressure is exerted on the political elite of the Russian Federation. So it was in 2008, so it was in 2014.
      PS
      In 2008, our tanks could enter Tbilisi, catch Saakashvili and hand him over to a military tribunal for the murder of our peacekeepers and civilians. Put your own man in power there and make Georgia a pro-Russian country. We would also have an aviation plant in Tbilisi at our disposal where they would make Su-25T / Su-39 attack aircraft for our Aerospace Forces.
      But alas, we always limit ourselves to some half measures.
      1. Anatoly 288
        Anatoly 288 April 27 2021 19: 12
        +17
        That's right, the goals of the people and the Kremlin are absolutely opposite! It will be like with pensions: while I am the President of the Russian Federation, the retirement age will not be raised ... So here too, they measure Novorossia for another toy for their children ... and to London!
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok April 28 2021 01: 19
          -6
          You commented very well. But, a serious question: didn’t they dissolve the people even earlier by selling a false enemy? to perform zeroing, etc.?
          1. Anatoly 288
            Anatoly 288 April 28 2021 15: 58
            +1
            On account of the fact that we were divorced - I agree completely, this is a national trait, to take the last away from the people. And about the enemies I disagree with you, because for the West we are Indians
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 April 28 2021 17: 24
              +2
              Quote: Anatoly 288
              On account of the fact that we were divorced - I agree completely

              I don't understand what is going on at all.
              mom thinks Putin is a saint.
              I ask her - how do you assess the fact that he actually deprived your son of the right to a pension? In response, either "leave the saint" or "you are lying." And there are hundreds of thousands of such zombies.
              I think that Putin skillfully manipulates the fears and illiteracy of the female population, which allows him to stay in his chair.
              1. Akuzenka
                Akuzenka April 29 2021 10: 06
                +3
                I think that Putin skillfully manipulates the fears and illiteracy of the female population, which allows him to stay in his chair.
                Well, he does not do it himself, for this he has specially trained people. And for the majority of the population, it is much easier and calmer to believe TV. As it was sung in the old song - "It is easy for the mad to live." In addition, whether Putin or not Putin makes a difference for us, in terms of the appropriation of our labor and propaganda, nothing will change, except in the direction of deterioration. There is no other way under capitalism.
              2. dmmyak40
                dmmyak40 April 29 2021 19: 35
                +2
                But my mother, after several years of denying the crisis and failures in the president's domestic policy, finally admitted that she no longer approves of his policy.
            2. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka April 29 2021 10: 08
              +2
              On account of the fact that we were divorced - I agree completely, this is a national trait, to take the last away from the people.
              Then this is the national trait of every nation. Who do not ask, who do not read about. This feature has one name - capitalism.
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka April 28 2021 15: 36
          +8
          Yes, the president's word cannot be trusted, he demonstrated this to us in all its glory and with special cynicism. I will say more, almost no one pays attention to his word, because it is not the Russian Federation that is concerned, but profits. What is it about? Many employers have announced to their employees that May 4-7 are working days. And these are not retail businesses, but quite ordinary companies. And many were forced to sign vacation applications at their own expense, during the specified period. Nice, isn't it ?!
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            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka April 29 2021 09: 22
              +1
              Specifically, any holidays - this is just a complete pedersion for everyone who works not for a salary, but for themselves.
              Yah? What is it like? Where will the money for the "salary" come from if you do not work, at least for an "uncle", at least for yourself? "Uncle" considers money better than those who work for themselves and all the time in their favor. So what nonsense you wrote.
          2. parathyron
            parathyron April 29 2021 14: 02
            -3
            Cat threw kittens? This is Putin's fault.
            Did your wife leave you? This is Putin's fault.
          3. kyznets
            kyznets April 30 2021 07: 52
            0
            So we, too, are working from 4th to 7th. It was the same with New Years.
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard April 27 2021 21: 18
        +8
        Quote: Osipov9391
        Authorities in Russia over the last 10 years stratified society as much as possible

        Come on ?!)) What then happened in the interval from 1991. until 2000.?))
        1. Osipov9391
          Osipov9391 April 27 2021 23: 28
          -1
          Not all social guarantees could be eliminated by Yeltsin. Yes, then destructive processes were launched. Now they are making themselves felt. But since 2000, this gap has only widened. and no one hindered it.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard April 28 2021 07: 37
            +12
            Quote: Osipov9391
            Not all social guarantees could be eliminated by Yeltsin. Yes, then destructive processes were launched. Now they are making themselves felt. But since 2000, this gap has only widened. and no one hindered it.

            Well, I don't know what space you live in, but I was born in 1973, I remember the 90s well, I survived ... As if now, much better than then. If we take the life of an ordinary person, this, of course, does not mean that everything is fine and it could not be better. There is very little ideal in the world. But reading the comments of people like you, one gets the impression of a significant degradation of individuals and society in general. Really sad for the country. ((
            1. ALARI
              ALARI April 28 2021 08: 09
              -1
              Yes, then it was worse, BUT worse for everyone and ordinary citizens and officials. I had to turn around to do something. Now 10% of them are satisfied with everything they are getting richer the rest are getting poorer. That's the difference then and now. There is a crisis in the country, and those close to them are breaking records in the Forbes.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard April 28 2021 11: 45
                +4
                Quote: ALARI
                BUT worse for everyone and ordinary citizens and officials.

                Officials have always been afloat. What's in the USSR, what's in the 90s, what's now. An official always has more opportunities than an ordinary person ..
                1. Osipov9391
                  Osipov9391 April 28 2021 12: 28
                  -4
                  You probably just do not know that, for example, ordinary people went to deputies in the 90s and in the first half of the 00s. Salaries were symbolic, or there were none at all - they were received at the main place of work. Then everything changed. The common people are getting poorer and poorer, the power is getting richer and richer. And yes, as I wrote in large cities, life may have become better. And the Moscow region is better. But everything else is quiet horror. The salary of a surgeon in a regional hospital is 16 thousand rubles. A Tajik guest worker gets more. Something like that.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard April 28 2021 13: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    You probably just do not know that, for example, ordinary people went to deputies in the 90s and in the first half of the 00s. Salaries were symbolic, or there were none at all - they were received at the main place of work.

                    Come on, tell you ... Back in the 80s of the last century (and earlier as well) in the USSR, there were no random people in the deputies. They used the party card as a springboard for a better personal arrangement in life. And you are here about the deputies from the 90s. You can also tell that Yeltsin and his entourage were altruists, they were ready to lay down their belly for the state and the people ... About ordinary people from the trade unions it was generally delivered.)))
              2. Osipov9391
                Osipov9391 April 28 2021 12: 33
                0
                The deputies, for example, at that time were ordinary people from the trade unions. They also suffered from non-payment of wages at work and took part in strikes. People still of the Soviet mentality sat in the government bodies and did not understand what was happening in the country. Salaries there were also symbolic. Being the director of a plant or mayor of the city was life-threatening - they could be shot at the entrance.
                Then in the 00s, all this began to go away. The bandits seem to have disappeared. More precisely "repainted" and went to power. They began to set their salaries at 200 thousand rubles or more per month. And if you do not have money and connections for elections, your path is generally barred. Even in a beggar city.
                Because the people are massively poorer, and these 10% own everything and everyone. Their fortunes are increasing every year.
            2. kyznets
              kyznets April 30 2021 08: 09
              0
              Yes, the way we live now cannot be compared with the 90s. Just never! Then it was complete ... And we, who then tried to survive, do not want a new redistribution, a change in the rules of the game. All the same, they will not do to live better. It will not be possible to build socialism in a month. And it won't work in a year. And what to do with all the current feudal officials? And the bourgeoisie and their hangers-on? In general, changes for the better by a change of government are unrealistic and will only lead AGAIN to monstrous poverty, the collapse of the country and blood. Therefore, Putin, whatever he is, is better than any known and unknown alternatives. How sad and unpleasant it is for someone to admit. THERE ARE SIMPLY NO OPTIONS FOR WHICH POSSIBLE DIFFERENT CHANGES IN THE COUNTRY FOR THE BETTER SIDE with a change of power, in a period of at least three years. Please leave Putin alone. Now it is not the best for Russia, it is the only option.
        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather April 28 2021 05: 52
          +4
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: Osipov9391
          Authorities in Russia over the last 10 years stratified society as much as possible

          Come on ?!)) What then happened in the interval from 1991. until 2000.?))

          carve-up.
        3. Tank hard
          Tank hard April 28 2021 07: 29
          +11
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Come on ?!)) What then happened in the interval from 1991. until 2000.?))

          Judging by the minuses to me, in the 90s the country apparently flourished, but Putin came and immediately collapsed ?!))) Everything will always be bad for such people, at any time and under any leadership of the country.))
          1. dauria
            dauria April 28 2021 09: 18
            +2
            Judging by the downsides to me, in the 90s the country apparently flourished, but Putin came and immediately collapsed ?!))


            You have confused a horse with a cart. "Dedka" said very accurately - they shared "Cherkizon". With shootings. Divided, the rest sat down at the table, agreed. That the Cherkizovsky market should work and generate income. That is, first they "settled down", and only then they gave you a screen. The only puncture - they turned it into an icon, not picking up a replacement in time.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard April 28 2021 11: 56
              +11
              Quote: dauria
              You have confused a horse with a cart.

              I do not know what YOU have in front, a horse or a cart. And where is your grandfather right. I remember one thing, Bush's legs were in the 90s for salvation, and sometimes I worked for food, just risking my life, it was good luck if I could eat well 3 times a day. Where is this with me now? And this is an example from the side of an ordinary person, without acquaintances and connections. What kind of "Cherkizons" are there in my life, what are you talking about ?!)) And this is not a song of praise to Putin or the country's leadership, now, but an objective reality in my life, where in the 80s under the USSR or 90s under the Russian Federation, I lived much worse than now. This does not mean that you do not want to live better, but crying about the terrible life that has come, in comparison with the past periods of history, is not comme il faut.))
        4. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP April 28 2021 18: 54
          -5
          From 91 to 2000 there were chances. Now there is no chance.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard April 28 2021 19: 24
            +6
            Quote: Sancho_SP
            From 91 to 2000 there were chances. Now there is no chance.

            What are the chances? Steal, rob, kill, stay alive and become a deputy?
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer April 27 2021 22: 41
        -2
        Do you think that there is poverty in Russia?))) Come to Banderlyand, admire the poverty. Yes, the eternally preoccupied geyropa, unable to hide the situation on the territory, officially recognized the Banderland as the most impoverished and corrupt territory. Eurostat data - average monthly income per capita: Russia - $ 550, Banderland - $ 170. But given the fact that everything in Banderland is more expensive, except for vodka, in fact, the gap is even greater.
        1. Osipov9391
          Osipov9391 April 27 2021 23: 33
          +14
          Yes, poverty is almost everywhere outside the Moscow region. There are, of course, exceptions, but few. Especially monotowns and villages are the bottom. And we are talking about 150-200 km from Moscow. Tver, Novgorod, Pskov regions. The average salary is about 13-15 thousand rubles. The average pension is the same. The death rate is 2-3 times higher than the birth rate.
          I am the Tver region. My salaries are about 14-18 thousand rubles, about $ 200.
          In the neighboring Moscow region, the same areas of work have a salary of 50 thousand rubles and above.
          So outside of the Moscow region, life is no longer bearable. Of course, in regional cities it is better than in the outback. You can earn 30 thousand rubles. But it still does not compare with the Moscow region.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard April 28 2021 07: 31
            -2
            Quote: Osipov9391
            Yes, poverty is almost everywhere outside the Moscow region. There are, of course, exceptions, but also few

            Navalny will come, put things in order?)))
          2. vlad.baryatinsky
            vlad.baryatinsky April 28 2021 10: 54
            0
            Quote: Osipov9391
            I am the Tver region. My salaries are about 14-18 thousand rubles, about 200 dollars

            How do you survive?
            My son is 15 years old. Delivers ads after school. Business hours for an hour and a half. If great.
            Receives € 265 - 285.
            1. Osipov9391
              Osipov9391 April 28 2021 12: 37
              0
              We survive. Many have 2 jobs. There is no other way. Pensioners collect metal and cardboard. So we survive. A good surgeon in a regional hospital receives about 16 thousand rubles. Like a Tajik janitor. But mayors, deputies and others receive hundreds of thousands of rubles a month.
              1. vlad.baryatinsky
                vlad.baryatinsky April 28 2021 13: 11
                -1
                Quote: Osipov9391
                Pensioners collect metal and cardboard.

                And here are pensioners, they travel around the world.
                Quote: Osipov9391
                A good surgeon in the district hospital receives 16 thousand

                We have the same, receives a minimum of € 9-11 K. Moreover, I want to note, € 9-11 K. And $ 9-11 K. These are Heaven and Earth. In the Beni Lux countries, everything is much cheaper than the USA.
                Good luck and health to you and your loved ones.
              2. Akuzenka
                Akuzenka April 28 2021 15: 44
                +4
                That is why they are put on the brink of survival, that they would think how to survive, and not interested in politics. If they put it over the edge (and this is where it goes), there will be an explosion "senseless and merciless." And I dare to assure you that "our" oligarchs and Western special services will put their hands on this explosion. And everything will end with the collapse of the Russian Federation, tk. there is no unifying idea in the country, and all "Russianness", Orthodoxy and other "Slavic" meanings are a way to attract more money and power. Already sick of these "guardians for the good of the people."
                1. Osipov9391
                  Osipov9391 April 29 2021 00: 12
                  -2
                  Alas, the common people cannot come to power and change something. In the 90s, he could and did. Although as I wrote to be a director, mayor or deputy, many were simply afraid - they could have fired a bullet in the forehead at the entrance. And constant strikes, rallies, meetings with voters.
                  Now there is none of this. The people and the authorities diverge like ships at sea, even at the level of a small town. The teacher receives 15 thousand rubles a month, the doctor 16 thousand rubles a month. The deputy is more than 150 thousand a month, the director of the enterprise is 2 million a month.
                  And only the last two (representatives of the so-called party to vote) can go to the polls again and again - there is a lot of money. Pay for your election campaigns and buy whoever you need.
                  Everyone else is overboard. They can no longer influence anything - even trade unions are now being disbanded because they opposed raising the retirement age.
              3. your1970
                your1970 April 30 2021 08: 58
                +1
                Quote: Osipov9391
                A good surgeon in a regional hospital receives about 16 thousand rubles.
                good? Then you can call him to our Saratov region for 50 thousand + housing will be given!
                Will not go?
                Then everything is simple - "For the operation I put 15 pipes in my pocket and the anesthesiologist 5 pipes and the nurse a thousand ... Think !!!"
                They also found me an obscene anecdote - a beggar surgeon in the regional center ...
          3. Oleg ratay
            Oleg ratay 1 May 2021 17: 31
            0
            Stratification of society. Geographic and property. This can lead to the collapse of the country.
    2. xorek
      xorek April 27 2021 18: 22
      0
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      The only adequate way is to "drive" to the Dniester, and then rename Ukraine into some kind of Novorossiysk federation and leave it on self-sufficiency.

      I also agree with this .. There you need to change a couple of generations so that no investments are more adequate .. Fat chickens, eggs, and, well, soulful songs "You pidmanula to me .." ..
      Ukraine has long been turned into the Outskirts and there is nothing you can do about it.
      If only the line Kharkiv-Dnepropetrovsk-Odessa .. And everything else is Svidomo's dregs .. We fell with these "we are for sho and yes no," and especially who is in power in Kiev and the economy in a vicious circle .. "to be friends" all the more .. One hatred and freebie
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok April 27 2021 22: 26
        +1
        Once in childhood, Weasel got into the habit of stealing chickens. Gomel region,
        Zhlobin region, Zavod village. They caught and nailed.
        1. xorek
          xorek April 28 2021 16: 01
          +1
          Quote: Normal ok
          Once in childhood, Weasel got into the habit of stealing chickens. Gomel region,
          Zhlobin region, Zavod village. They caught and nailed.

          And what does this comment mean ..?
    3. Basalt
      Basalt April 28 2021 10: 07
      +4
      There is no need to occupy anything - it is necessary to destroy the military potential as much as possible, especially heavy artillery, MLRS and missiles with places of their production.
    4. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow April 29 2021 16: 32
      0
      For fear of losing real estate, any assets, losing the ability to withdraw funds, sanctions against our oligarchs, etc. are the main brakes. The moment was lost in 2014, now it is pressing harder.
    5. Escobar
      Escobar April 29 2021 17: 51
      0
      In this case, Russia may be hit by such sanctions, after which we will roll back into the dashing nineties. Judge for yourself: Western equipment is used in any production. Chemically complex raw materials for the production of polymers and medicines are purchased from the West. As a person working in the pharmaceutical industry, I will say, without the supply of equipment and raw materials from the West, we can be left without many drugs, domestic pharmaceutical equipment for many production processes is simply not made in our country yet. And the ruble is falling, and it is more and more difficult to buy for business rubles from overseas.
    6. your1970
      your1970 April 30 2021 08: 54
      0
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      The only adequate way is to "drive" to the Dniester, and then rename Ukraine into some kind of Novorossiysk federation and leave it on self-sufficiency.

      Themselves started about "adequate" the way and answered themselves - that he NOT adequate
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      maybe easier - the occupation of present-day Ukraine will be cost a lot, but there will be no sense.
  2. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 April 27 2021 18: 07
    +22
    The problem of Donbass and at least the whole of South-Eastern Ukraine had to be solved by the Russian authorities in 2014. When the legitimate President of Ukraine Yanukovych was sitting with us and asked for help. But no help came. Although our President had the authority to do so. And there were such plans.
    There would be no war in Donbass. There would be no drainage of the Crimea. There would be a land connection with the Crimea and Transnistria.
    And all the unique enterprises would come under the control of Russia and compensate us for the damage from the sanctions.
    But our authorities were afraid of something, probably sanctions and pressure from the oligarchs. Perhaps they were afraid that the 2018 FIFA World Cup would be taken away from us.
    Therefore, they let everything go by itself. It is appropriate to recall Churchill who said that choosing between war and shame, shame - we get both war and shame at the same time.
    And what has been in Russia since 2014? Falling living standards, massive impoverishment of the people, including due to sanctions and population decline. This is also the consequence of oh cowardice.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin April 27 2021 19: 15
      +13
      And all the unique enterprises would come under the control of Russia and compensate us for the damage from the sanctions.
      Does Putin need it? Almost everything that is more difficult to "dug-sell" in the Russian Federation is either destroyed or degrades, like the very same space or science.
  3. Avior
    Avior April 27 2021 18: 20
    +13
    ... in the near future, the long-awaited offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not happen.

    Is the APU offensive "long-awaited" for Makhov?
    For what purpose is he waiting for him? To spill more blood?
    Back then, it was clear from the very beginning that there would be no offensive, but passions like Makhov were stirring up and military sentiments were fueled. Three articles a day here were nightmares that there would be an offensive. Well, for what purpose was this done? To distract the people from the fact that the economic results of governance in the LPR have discredited the very idea of ​​republics and the number of their supporters has fallen sharply?
    Now Makhov also admits that the issuance of Russian passports led to an outflow of the able-bodied population to Russia. And this is natural. People need to take care not only of today, but also of retirement. Nobody believes in the success of the LDNR.
    But rocking the war to distract from problems is not the best way out: (((
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 27 2021 18: 24
      +1
      They took it off the tongue. This is me about the predictions of an imminent offensive. They waited for the end of winter, then called the dates, but it turned out to be.
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 27 2021 22: 34
      -2
      Quote: Avior
      ... in the near future, the long-awaited offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not happen.

      Is the APU offensive "long-awaited" for Makhov?
      For what purpose is he waiting for him? To spill more blood?
      Back then, it was clear from the very beginning that there would be no offensive, but passions like Makhov were stirring up and military sentiments were fueled. Three articles a day here were nightmares that there would be an offensive. Well, for what purpose was this done? To distract the people from the fact that the economic results of governance in the LPR have discredited the very idea of ​​republics and the number of their supporters has fallen sharply?
      Now Makhov also admits that the issuance of Russian passports led to an outflow of the able-bodied population to Russia. And this is natural. People need to take care not only of today, but also of retirement. Nobody believes in the success of the LDNR.
      But rocking the war to distract from problems is not the best way out: (((

      Let's put it this way: the Ukrainian authorities need the LDPR only as an annoying factor. It would never occur to anyone to try to pick up these remnants of the regions. For, there are so many problems that it is better to hang them on Russia. Let them spend the budget on an unprofitable region (this is if you pay taxes and the minimum wage, + 500 thousand pensioners)
    3. AK1972
      AK1972 April 28 2021 10: 47
      -2
      Do I have one like this? You put a plus, and the commentator gets a minus. I don't like minus, but acting on the contrary, you get the desired result.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 28 2021 10: 55
        +2
        no, everything is working correctly
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins April 28 2021 13: 07
          -2
          AK1972 is still lucky! Here, do not bet, but the minus "arrives"!))) laughing
          1. AK1972
            AK1972 April 28 2021 14: 07
            +1
            Everything is working fine now. Checked for you.
  4. camo ridges
    camo ridges April 27 2021 18: 22
    +2
    You read it, and your heart bleeds.
    Inevitably, the thought creeps in that the top
    our empty people are being driven regarding protection
    and their interests, and, more importantly, fate
    Russian-speaking population. If it goes on
    the outflow of population from these places continues
    with great industrial potential, then
    sooner or later the point of no return will be passed,
    and you won't be able to restore anything already
    never. Including because of the lost faith
    population to Russia ...
    1. Avior
      Avior April 27 2021 18: 34
      +4
      What do you want if people have a salary of 10 thousand re - the most common? It is clear that they want to move to Russia ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 27 2021 19: 02
        +5
        This is the "future of Donbass". Yes, young people will gradually leave there. No matter how bitter it may be to say, but with the position taken by the Kremlin elite, the best way out is for people to leave.
        1. Titus_2
          Titus_2 April 29 2021 11: 55
          -1
          It is better to let the Kremlin elite overthrow, or even from Russia there is an outflow of the population, not to mention the death rate.
    2. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP April 27 2021 19: 16
      +4
      It's a difficult question actually.

      For me personally, Crimea alone cost the dollar exchange rate and 20% VAT. And you, most likely, too.

      How much would a big banquet cost us?
  5. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 27 2021 18: 25
    -3
    Don't rush to bury us!
  6. Kronos
    Kronos April 27 2021 19: 29
    +5
    Gradually destroy strong points, equipment, defenders of the LPNR, so that later, practically without losses, take away small pieces of territory and take more advantageous positions one after another. This is Ukraine's strategy already from the 1st Minsk agreement, so they captured all the gray zone.
  7. Fan-fan
    Fan-fan April 27 2021 20: 27
    -3
    And ordinary people there are just hostages. The way out is seen as follows: how the majority will leave from there to Russia, introduce Wagner PMCs and contractors there, so that they simply shoot back and defend the empty territory and drag this situation indefinitely. And another president will most likely solve this problem fundamentally, this one will not.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 27 2021 21: 22
      -8
      Quote: Fan-Fan
      And another president will most likely solve this problem fundamentally, this one will not.

      Is your idol Navalny?))
    2. Novichek)
      Novichek) April 29 2021 19: 15
      -1
      Yes, you are absolutely right, for Moscow this is now the only "working option", there is nothing else to afford, no desire, no money, and other things. And so, to pull the rubber as much as possible, but "not a war." Yes, the territory of the LPNR will purely act as a "buffer" between "us" and "them", a neutral zone, as much as possible cleared of the population in order to exclude unnecessary victims, and so, purely shoot, change muscles, a kind of polygon, on huge areas. ...
  8. iouris
    iouris April 27 2021 20: 56
    -2
    Who else is not in the trap? We went to the West for forty years. Now the generation has changed. You can start.
  9. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 27 2021 20: 56
    -3
    Ukraine, once again, did not appear in the war racked by the Russian media.
    Now there is a stream of articles in the media, with a search for how to escalate the situation again.
    It is impossible to write about the oligarchs and the poverty of the LPR, that the fat is over again - tired, now about the trap, etc. (No facts and statistics, some loud phrases)
  10. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 27 2021 22: 20
    +2
    Another delirium from the Mach. War, LAST the argument of the kings. So far, everyone is trying to strangle each other economically.
  11. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ April 27 2021 22: 34
    +1
    One thing is good that the war will not start, and this is more important than any speculation about politics, sanctions of imaginary poverty and hunger. Our country needs peace, not just another massacre. Yes, sorry for the people, but there is no need to rush into adventures thoughtlessly.
  12. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 28 2021 01: 10
    -1
    The author writes: "The movements of the echelons of Ukrainian equipment have not been crowned with an offensive and, most likely, the long-awaited offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not take place in the near future."
    five years old this idiot. how much can you believe?
  13. Drugov
    Drugov April 28 2021 07: 09
    +4
    But to this day there are many who believe in both the HSP and the genius of Putin and are sure that this pause was taken with deep meaning and that a solution to this problem is not far off.
  14. O. Bender
    O. Bender April 28 2021 08: 56
    +3
    All right, shelling will squeeze out and have already squeezed out most of the population. Without human resources, neither economically nor militarily, the republics will not survive. Those people who, in the majority of old age, will not be able to resist Ukraine. Time plays into the hands of Banderland. Seven years of confrontation is behind, how many more ??? Debaltsevo and Ilovaisk will soon forget both Vu and NM. Voentorg at least brought something new, shoot down mines, and turn on the response properly
  15. Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 28 2021 16: 38
    +3
    Well, there is a way out - retaliating
  16. Radikal
    Radikal April 28 2021 18: 35
    +2
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Osipov9391
    Yes, poverty is almost everywhere outside the Moscow region. There are, of course, exceptions, but also few

    Navalny will come, put things in order?)))

    And what, in the Russian Federation, except for Navalny, there are no people left, the only surname you know, or did you scare it according to the training manual, where necessary, and no fuss? lol
  17. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 05: 44
    -1
    Quote: yehat2
    Quote: Anatoly 288
    On account of the fact that we were divorced - I agree completely

    I don't understand what is going on at all.
    mom thinks Putin is a saint.
    I ask her - how do you assess the fact that he actually deprived your son of the right to a pension? In response, either "leave the saint" or "you are lying." And there are hundreds of thousands of such zombies.
    I think that Putin skillfully manipulates the fears and illiteracy of the female population, which allows him to stay in his chair.


    It was not Putin who deprived you of your pension, but demographics. This is a worldwide trend. And Putin is not to blame here.
    Now there is one pensioner for one officially employed person. And this despite the fact that the PF receives 22% of the employer's salary fund. There will be Putin, let it be Shmutin or you yourself will be the president of Russia, but no one will change that. It will be worse with pensions in the future. There are 1,38 births per aunt in Russia. In some Western countries, demography would seem to be better (for example, in the USA or in France), but in reality it is worse because a human trash is born there, cleaning (children of blacks, Arabs and other low-quality migrants), as M. Bulgakov said in " Heart of a dog. "
    Pensions in their current form will be canceled. There will remain only pensions for former civil servants and funded pensions for private traders. And it is right.
  18. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 05: 44
    +4
    Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
    Quote: Osipov9391
    I am the Tver region. My salaries are about 14-18 thousand rubles, about 200 dollars

    How do you survive?
    My son is 15 years old. Delivers ads after school. Business hours for an hour and a half. If great.
    Receives € 265 - 285.


    You're lying.
  19. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 05: 48
    -1
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: ALARI
    BUT worse for everyone and ordinary citizens and officials.

    Officials have always been afloat. What's in the USSR, what's in the 90s, what's now. An official always has more opportunities than an ordinary person ..


    And this is correct because an official performs a more responsible job. There are more demands to the official. A bad or corrupt official can do such things that you cannot clean up later. I am telling you as an expert lawyer of a number of competition and qualification commissions for the civil service. Civil servant candidates must be trained, painstakingly selected from a heap of human garbage, the so-called. common people, as you say.
    1. Titus_2
      Titus_2 April 29 2021 12: 11
      0
      So if they were responsible for their actions or inaction, then okay .... and to your post above, maybe the FIU itself, with its "efficiency", contributed to raising the age. But they built notable mansions for themselves, and there were good salaries up there and there were scandals. How do you drown for the power ... the FIU can pay extra or directly from the Kremlin.
    2. Titus_2
      Titus_2 April 29 2021 12: 19
      0
      Ah, yes, your position is clear to most of you human rubbish ..... now it is clear, although I almost changed my mind after reading the comments for the LPNR. I wish you good luck anyway, but I'm sorry for you, you have lived longer than me, but the obvious things have not matured.
  20. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 05: 53
    -2
    LDNR should bring heavy equipment to the line of contact and protect this equipment from enemy shelling and drones.
    The task of the LDNR is to strike not only at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also at civilian infrastructure. The long-term effect of this is the destruction of the investment climate in Ukraine for many years. The fact that the investment climate in the LPR will not improve from this either is so clear. But the LDNR has no investment climate for a long time.
    Without investment, Ukraine will continue to languish. In this sense, the truce is more useful for Ukraine than for the LPR. And any people can fight in the LDNR. The main thing is to raise the salary, at the expense of Russia, of course. In the end, not at the expense of Israel, after all, in the LDNR there are Russians, not Jews.
    1. Olegkh
      Olegkh 2 May 2021 08: 42
      -1
      That is, you propose to destroy their homes in order to save the Russians and arrange an active war with them? Such "myself" salvation ..
  21. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR April 29 2021 10: 02
    +3
    We do not know all the truth that the Russian special services and the Kremlin itself know. What and how is it conceived and what they are trying to achieve. One can only "ponder" at the level of sofa experts about military solutions to reduce shelling by the Armed Forces. I personally see two options in their combined application. The first is the delivery of modern field mobile counter-battery warfare radars to the LDNR Armed Forces, to track and quickly suppress artillery and mortar firing points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine conducting shelling. And not necessarily Russian-made. You can buy similar devices from China through private companies and third countries. Train local fighters to use them effectively. Accordingly, also transfer them the ACS for this case. Receiving an instant address response and losing artillery + calculations, the ukrovoyaks will become thoughtful and will be much less eager to fire across the Donbass. The second is to train professional saboteurs and send them to the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with targeted hunting for the commanders of artillery crews and regiments. By systematically eliminating them day and night, in any accessible place. So that each of them burns under the fifth point from any rustle and they shake in their lives tens of kilometers from the front.
  22. certero
    certero April 29 2021 11: 21
    +1
    Quote: Osipov9391
    to catch Saakashvili and hand him over to a military tribunal for the murder of our peacekeepers and civilians. Put your own man in power there and make Georgia a pro-Russian country. We would also have an aviation plant in Tbilisi at our disposal where we would make Su-25T / Su-39 d attack aircraft

    It would be fair to put Saakashvili on trial. But the rest is shit in vegetable oil. And Russia has enough territory and population and its factories so as not to take over Georgia, which is absolutely unnecessary.
  23. ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN April 29 2021 11: 57
    +1
    The war in Ukraine and Donbass can and should be avoided, but the war should not pass by individuals who shoot and kill civilians and their leaders like Avakov, Kolomoisky, etc. It should not be so that they will kill with impunity, and then someone agree and forgive everyone.
  24. staer-62
    staer-62 April 29 2021 12: 11
    +1
    Well, if it comes to military intervention, then it is possible and necessary to destroy manpower without engaging in specific battles. All the possibilities for this are there, there is no desire. I remember how the VSUshniki were indignant when they began to hammer like what kind of war they are killing us, but we do not see who and where. It is enough for Russia to help with weapons, intelligence, study, volunteers, Donbass will do everything itself.
  25. vavilon
    vavilon April 29 2021 12: 29
    +1
    We have the same oligarchic system in Russia as in the West and no one thinks about the people of Ukraine, but only about green waste paper
    We lost time in 14, and now we will reap the bitter fruits, since several generations of inveterate Russophobes have been raised in Ukraine, here's the price of a truce, a little more and Ukraine will be completely lost
  26. sanya
    sanya April 29 2021 13: 12
    -1
    Well, here's a cunning plan for you
    Putin said that we would defend the population and not the territories of the republics that were not recognized by anyone.
    And you can defend in different ways
    for example, export to Russia
  27. yfast
    yfast April 29 2021 14: 00
    0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53V9Vo0f5wk
  28. av58
    av58 April 29 2021 16: 00
    0
    Perhaps the most rational way is to really provoke Zelensky to attack, or to create a situation in which the Armed Forces of Ukraine will carry out an attack on Novorossia, putting Zelensky with a fact. Then Zelensky will be forced to lead a new campaign against Donbass and Luhansk, and Putin will have a free hand.
    1. Mikle2000
      Mikle2000 April 29 2021 21: 43
      -1
      Imagine that everything happened and the territory of the ldnr will last almost all over Ukraine. So after all, in the LDNR people live much worse (despite the help of Russia) than in Ukraine. And as a result, they will live even worse, and in the acquired territories and in the present republics and in Russia. And for what?
  29. helloween
    helloween April 29 2021 16: 46
    0
    I read the comments. This is where the war for the 90s began. Half of those who wrote and were not yet born in the 90s! In fact, 80 percent of enterprises closed after 2004. At least this is in the Kaluga region. And in the 90s they survived. recovered after the crisis of 98 years at a fast pace. but now everything is dull.
  30. avia12005
    avia12005 April 30 2021 06: 38
    0
    The name of such a policy in relation to Donbass is TRAITING.
  31. Bashibuzuk1
    Bashibuzuk1 April 30 2021 18: 43
    0
    The author has not decided on the situation, there is no doubt a way out. But it all depends only on the Russian Federation,
    To take the Russian Federation under itself the territory, it makes no sense, to drive to ... It is necessary., Because there will be human resources and industrial reserves. The author is disingenuous.