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Rogozin denied reports of negotiations with SpaceX on the delivery of astronauts into orbit

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Rogozin denied reports of negotiations with SpaceX on the delivery of astronauts into orbit

Russia is not negotiating with the United States on the delivery of Russian cosmonauts to the ISS on American ships. This was stated by Dmitry Rogozin.


The head of Roscosmos denied the presence of negotiations with the American company SpaceX on the delivery of astronauts into orbit on the American ships Crew Dragon. According to Rogozin, Russia has its own ships.

Thus, he reacted to the publication of some media outlets that announced the negotiations between Roscosmos and SpaceX, which appeared after the statement of the head of the company, Elon Musk, about his readiness to cooperate with Russia. Musk, at a press conference on the sending of the Crew Dragon to the ISS, announced the honor of bringing Russian cosmonauts into orbit.

However, at the moment, there are no agreements between Roscosmos and NASA on the delivery of astronauts and cosmonauts to orbit. Earlier it was assumed that after the resumption of flights of American spacecraft, Russia and the United States would send cross-crews to the ISS alternately, i.e. American ships were supposed to fly one Russian cosmonaut, and Russian ships were supposed to fly one American astronaut.

To date, there are no such agreements, perhaps they will appear in the future, but for now the Russians will fly into orbit on their ships. And Musk's proposal is not a NASA proposal, not everything is decided by the owner of SpaceX and the developer of the Crew Dragon spacecraft.
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  1. Boris55
    Boris55 April 25 2021 09: 49
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    To date, there are no such agreements, perhaps they will appear in the future.

    Rogozin sleeps and sees how our US cosmonauts are delivered to orbit ... When will he calm down ...
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 April 25 2021 10: 18
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      Musk protested Rogozin and Roskosmos in an original and witty manner. By the way, yesterday on TV they showed a corner of the Russian ISS module, which was being built there and said - this is the future of Russian cosmonautics! We will now build our station on its basis! And the ISS is the past, like it's outdated and all that. Like this module we will take with a new Hangara. laughing And yet, somewhere there is a "Nuclon" of the "under construction" type (or is no longer under construction, be silent about it ...) ... love
      1. hrych
        hrych April 25 2021 10: 44
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        Quote: Snail N9
        or is no longer being built, something is silent about it ...

        What do you want? They said and that's enough. If you wish, you can have a look at the recent meeting of the Academy of Sciences of the Russian Federation, where this topic was touched upon. Or give you a photo-video report, what kind of reactor they put on, how they shoot a combat quantum emitter?
        1. smart ass
          smart ass April 26 2021 12: 31
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          Rogozu has long been on trial! To cut down the forest in Siberia
          1. hrych
            hrych April 26 2021 12: 47
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            Quote: Clever man
            Rogozu has long been on trial! To cut down the forest in Siberia

            For what? He already fells the forest, the Vostochny cosmodrome is building wassat
            1. smart ass
              smart ass April 26 2021 12: 59
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              He does not cut the forest, he cuts the forest! If you understand what I mean
              1. hrych
                hrych April 26 2021 13: 01
                +1
                Quote: Clever man
                He does not cut the forest, he cuts the forest! If you understand what I mean

                Clear. Saws.
      2. sifgame
        sifgame April 25 2021 12: 54
        +10
        What is trolling all about? the fact that for 9 years the United States bought out places in Russian ships without having its own capabilities to send astronauts to the ISS? Russia helped them in this, and now that they have finally built their ship, they need to start trolling Russia. Nasty, childish thinking
        1. smart ass
          smart ass April 26 2021 13: 00
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          And when did the cattle suggest sending this normal thinking on the trampolines? Smells like a double standard
          1. sifgame
            sifgame April 26 2021 16: 22
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            Do not remember in honor of what event Rogozin spoke about the trampoline? Yes, there were double standards, only from their side they imposed sanctions and many expected sanctions against Roscosmos, only amers have double standards, you can fly into space with the Russians in their wheelbarrow, but everything else is impossible. And the words of Rogozin are just words, he refused to carry the automen, and this is not his competence. Let him write poetry.
      3. 3danimal
        3danimal April 25 2021 13: 00
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        You may recall that the ISS was assembled by the Shuttles.
        Space trucks that could fly up from the right side at the right angle, and then remove the next module from the cargo compartment and dock it to the rest with a manipulator.
        How will the new stations be assembled?
        1. MMX
          MMX April 25 2021 17: 52
          +10
          Quote: 3danimal
          You may recall that the ISS was assembled by the Shuttles.
          Space trucks that could fly up from the right side at the right angle, and then remove the next module from the cargo compartment and dock it to the rest with a manipulator.
          How will the new stations be assembled?


          Yes, and the Mir station was also assembled by shuttles.
          How do you want? It is known that without them the space station cannot be assembled wassat
          1. zlinn
            zlinn April 25 2021 19: 58
            -9
            such as the ISS, really cannot be assembled, by the way, the truss structure for the station was also delivered by a shuttle
            1. slipped
              slipped April 25 2021 20: 22
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              Quote: zlinn
              such as the ISS, really cannot be assembled, by the way, the truss structure for the station was also delivered by a shuttle


              Wrong. The structure was delivered by Progress.

              1. zlinn
                zlinn April 25 2021 21: 19
                -6
                your truth, confused, forgotten, the shuttles delivered only the docking module (well, so as not to yearn for it every time with you) drinks
      4. Volder
        Volder April 26 2021 08: 09
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        Quote: Snail N9
        And also, somewhere there is a "Nuclon" of the "under construction" type (or is no longer under construction, be silent about it ...)
        Especially for people like you, I give a direct link to the chewed up information about the current state of affairs:
    2. hrych
      hrych April 25 2021 10: 23
      +14
      Quote: Boris55
      When will he calm down then ...

      When you calm down with criticism of Roskosmos and its leadership. wassat NASA belittled to go on the cross delivery of pilots to the ISS, but they could not agree, and the other day the Russian Federation announced the termination of a joint project with the ISS. There will be a station and work on the assembly and maintenance of space tugs (in the common people - atomic-powered aircraft). There will be no permanent presence at the station, it will fly along a trajectory over the Arctic and Antarctic, where the radiation is increased and the constant presence of the crew is harmful and unnecessary. The experience of Mir and the ISS has shown that the crew interferes with the operation of sensitive instruments. Constant (in turn) physical exercises on simulators, they simply shake the station, etc., life support systems consume energy and also fade. And all medical experiments with the human body in weightlessness have long been passed. In general, manned astronautics found itself in stagnation. And so the brave American clever men came to this moment, with their Dragon-2 manned program (such as a private one) and Starliner (which should fly soon). RF, taking into account many years of experience, is moving away from this anachronism. Our crew will be, like repairmen, will carry out maintenance and go home. To the useless to hang out in orbit and endlessly repeat the same thing, why? Why fly in the same latitudes? Everything is logical. It is NASA with its twitching constantly fever. Dragon-2 for seven, Starliner for seven. What for? People should be reduced in the development of automation, and not vice versa. In honor of 7 Challenger corpses or 7 Columbia corpses? What is this seven-seat magic?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 April 25 2021 10: 27
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        Quote: hrych
        When you calm down with criticism of Roskosmos and its leadership.

        Do you think Putin, out of nothing to do, put Shoigu over Rogozin watching so that he would not flush our orbital station under construction down the toilet? Better tell me when the Vostochny cosmodrome (otv. Rogozin) will start working and how many times did it exceed the construction budget, and where did the money go?

        ps
        Those who still believe the astronauts were on the moon. The orbit of our station will be higher than the current international one, in order to study the effect of cosmic radiation on humans. And another question, how many dogs flew around the moon and survived?
        1. hrych
          hrych April 25 2021 10: 34
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          Quote: Boris55
          and where did the money go?

          I'm not interested in this at all. Let the authorities sort it out, plant contractors, etc. The cosmodrome is working, the first launches have already taken place. Launch pads (queues) under construction do not interfere with the operation of the finished one. Baikonur hasn't gone anywhere either. Ready Protons do not throw away. They need to be worked out, and only after that go to the Angara, which has also been successfully tested. What problems? Or give you 50 cosmodromes wassat We still have cosmodromes (have you heard of Plesetsk?) And each ICBM mine is a small cosmodrome wassat Also, Sea Launch was privatized and will work for Roskosmos, bypassing the Yuzhmashevsky Zenith and American "friends".
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 April 25 2021 10: 35
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            Is that all you can say to justify this Clintonoid? laughing
            The launch from Vostochny is cheaper than from all the others, but there are no launches from it.
            Who launched the hangar - the military from Plesetsk? Here is the answer to you why Shoigu is looking.
            1. hrych
              hrych April 25 2021 10: 55
              +7
              Quote: Boris55
              Shoigu looking.

              Actually, space must first work for defense. Both Rosatom and Roskosmos are closely intertwined with the Ministry of Defense, as well as with each other. Space atomic machine says enough in one word, well, add "combat space atomic machine" laughing An addition to the trajectory of our orbital station ... their Astromarines will not be able to intercept and board our station from their orbits. At one time they were on Space Shuttles, like they accidentally approached our stations and simulated chago. Therefore, their seven-seater capacity, I explained in a veiled way. And, ours stupidly decided to go out of reach laughing moreover, with such an orbit, the entire Earth is viewed as much as possible, well, there ... it is shot through.
            2. slipped
              slipped April 25 2021 11: 16
              +21
              Quote: Boris55
              The launch from Vostochny is cheaper than from all the others, but there are no launches from it.


              Tomorrow is the second launch from Vostochny this year.

              1. Disant
                Disant April 25 2021 16: 45
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                Tomorrow is the second launch from Vostochny this year.

                it's not interesting - it doesn't look very good. But a big shiny swinging drum (supposedly for Mars) will be shown on other channels.
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                BREAD AND SPECTACLES !!)))
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                BY SCREWS! GIVE NEW DESIGN SNOW RUBBER BOOTS EVERYONE!)
        2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich April 25 2021 11: 32
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          Quote: Boris55
          And another question, how many dogs flew around the moon and survived?

          Did they even send dogs to the moon?
        3. Disant
          Disant April 25 2021 16: 42
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          The orbit of our station will be higher than the current international one, to study the effect of cosmic radiation on humans

          the orbit will not be higher, but more polar, and not for studying the influence, but for a greater coverage of the Earth's surface, primarily the Arctic, in the future it is possible to perform the functions of a gas station for the Nuclons. It is possible to place interceptor missiles - the iron removed before launch from one of the Mir modules and replaced by American pseudo-scientific equipment is probably still in the warehouse.
        4. Volder
          Volder April 26 2021 08: 20
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          Quote: Boris55
          Those who still believe that the astronauts were on the moon ...
          They were really there. Check out the video: Have the Americans ever flown to the moon and why is everyone going there again?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 April 26 2021 08: 29
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            Quote: Volder
            They were really there.

            They weren't there.
            Do you seriously think that a dog or a macaque would not have been there before sending a man to the moon? Have you heard about Belka and Strelka?



            Our new station will be in a higher orbit than the ISS. The study of the effect of cosmic radiation on the human body and methods of protection against it is only underway and has not yet been found.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 25 2021 12: 00
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        Quote: hrych
        NASA belittled to go for cross-delivery of pilots to the ISS

        Kneeling?
        Quote: hrych
        RF, taking into account many years of experience, is moving away from this anachronism. Our crew will, like repairmen, will carry out maintenance and go home

        Holes with tape will be glued?
        Colleague, under pseudo-patriotic slogans, astronautics is being destroyed, as are other science-intensive industries.
        Can you cite at least one success / breakthrough in the past 20 years in knowledge-intensive industries?
        1. hrych
          hrych April 25 2021 13: 08
          +4
          Quote: Stroporez
          Kneeling?

          You know better wassat
          Quote: Stroporez
          Can you cite at least one success / breakthrough in the past 20 years in knowledge-intensive industries?

          A four-turn docking scheme, but literally now we have switched to a two-turn one. Only three hours and the crew and the cargo at the station. With all that it implies. Now they are working on a one-turn ... Counter question. What have the Americans achieved? Repeat yourself 60 years ago? wassat
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 25 2021 13: 23
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            Quote: hrych
            What have the Americans achieved?

            Have you heard anything about the returnable steps?
            So it's a trifle kaneshna, but baragozin is only dreaming about it.
            1. hrych
              hrych April 25 2021 13: 32
              +6
              Quote: Stroporez
              Have you heard anything about the returnable steps?

              This is called heresy. The Americans with reusability have already pricked up. Not available. We lost two ships and 14 pilots. Set an unattainable record ... for corpses. It is greedy capitalists who are always trying to save money, and in the end they lose more.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter April 25 2021 13: 39
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                Quote: hrych
                It is greedy capitalists who are always trying to save money, and in the end they lose more.

                That is, our capitalists are better / worse than those there?
                Although if you compare, for example. mask and potanin, Duc Musk looks cooler.
                1. hrych
                  hrych April 25 2021 14: 15
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                  Quote: Stroporez
                  That is, our capitalists are better / worse than those there?

                  Roscosmos is a state corporation, and Musk is a capitalist, a private trader. He has Falcon on the first step, as many as 9 merlins, and Tyazh will have 27. Do you know how sorry it is? Here he is on the used merlin - geldings and was about to kill people. The Shuttle corpse record haunts him. Nothing, there is something to strive for and everything is ahead. On the other hand, the Starliner will pull up and the Mask is still unfastened. Mask to compete with Boeing ... Although let them kill each other. wassat
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter April 25 2021 14: 31
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                    Quote: hrych
                    Roskosmos is a state corporation, and Musk is a capitalist, a private trader.

                    And what is a state corporation in a capitalist country?
                    Quote: hrych
                    Here he is on the used merlin - geldings and was about to kill people. The Shuttle corpse record haunts him.

                    I do not know how to comment on this nonsense of yours.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych April 25 2021 14: 58
                      +4
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      I do not know how to comment on this nonsense of yours.

                      With your delirium wassat
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter April 25 2021 15: 50
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                        Quote: hrych
                        With your delirium

                        Well, yes ..., only the Yankers launched a drone on Mars, at the very time when Ragozin is only building projects for after 2025. There will be nothing, the current Russian Federation is not geared towards development, yes, no development.
                        PySy. I understand that we all have phantom pains in the USSR, but the modern RF is definitely not a Union, but an ordinary peripheral third-rate cap. a country with a bias towards feudalism.
                        There is reality, and there is a fetish for idolaters, and a modern one.
                        I repeat, the modern Russian Federation has nothing to do with either Soviet cosmonautics, or Gagarin, or Victory.
                      2. hrych
                        hrych April 25 2021 16: 21
                        +2
                        I'm talking nonsense wassat the helicopter was raised by 3 meters ... where are the results? Where is open life on Mars, where are the fundamental discoveries? All this show is for the layman, and it is possible that it was filmed in Ireland wassat Someone there recognized the landscape and the earth's garbage wassat If with pain do not speak for others. The Russian Federation remains the largest, most powerful state, taking into account strategic nuclear forces and tactical nuclear weapons. Russia is a powerful space power with 140 military satellites for various purposes, assembling an atomic-powered aircraft. And in the USSR it was necessary to pull the parasites, who dragged him down ...
                      3. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter April 25 2021 16: 45
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                        Quote: hrych
                        And in the USSR it was necessary to pull the parasites, who dragged him down ...

                        Which ones? And it was not the USSR that created
                        Quote: hrych
                        taking into account strategic nuclear forces and tactical nuclear weapons, by the state.

                        or do you have cognitive dissonance?
                        Although you have a Su-27M, which is now a Su-35, also from the department of nonanalagfnetics fellow I don't even want to talk about the Soyuz rocket.
                        Well, what all the same the Russian Federation for 20 years has created a cardinally new?
                        this?
                      4. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 April 25 2021 17: 09
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                        And that you are showing these factories corpses since the 90s, they already began to bend in the late 80s and they were all created exclusively for work in a planned distribution economy where the state in the form of a state plan created demand for their products during the transition to market relations, the demand is created by the client base of the people themselves and in such conditions, the enterprises themselves must fight for customers - there is no competitive product, there is no demand, there is no profit for development, there is no plant. Therefore, they are now building new factories and plants for the production of what is in demand and in those places where this production is logistically justified. And yes, the USSR did not have an open market and competition is the same in view of the same pan-distributive economy - now the market is open to competition everywhere and everywhere and the last word for the client that he wants is what he will buy.
                      5. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter April 25 2021 18: 39
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                        Quote: Vadim237
                        And that you are showing these factories corpses since the 90s, they already began to bend in the late 80s and they were all created exclusively for work in a planned distribution economy

                        but what about it: BMD-4 "Bakhcha-U" developed by the Design Bureau of JSC Volgogradsky Tractor Plant "together with the State Unitary Enterprise" KB Instrument Engineering "(Tula)
                        I am amazed that I could not destroy Hitler, but was destroyed by Eboputinism. And you, in this case, say that Volgograd does not need a tractor plant, and, accordingly, domestic tractors.
      3. vadim dok
        vadim dok April 25 2021 14: 47
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        You forget to say that the Shuttle flew 135 times, of which 133 were successful, the ISS was mainly built with the help of Shuttles. In general, 348 American astronauts and 123 cosmonauts of the USSR-Russia visited space. By the way, the Zvezda module is actually American, because. The Americans paid for it!
        1. hrych
          hrych April 25 2021 15: 18
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          Those. does quantity matter to you? As a result, the Shuttle program came to a broken trough, ingloriously closed with heavy losses, including half of the ships and 14 pilots. It can be roughly said that 135 launches are useless. wassat The Shuttle itself was created in the interests of SDI, which also sunk into oblivion. ISS - created in the interests of the United States, they also got into a puddle with their Skylab. And they turned to us not because of their good life. Russia then was on the verge of existence, did not have full sovereignty, etc. Nothing and space exploration were kept at the expense of the enemy and the technologies worked out. The technologies that have enriched the United States are now morally obsolete and have lost their relevance. Now the Russian Federation is dumping this rubbish on the shoulders of the United States and, in principle, this is a powerful blow below the belt for NASA. Russia, on the other hand, has worked out a two-turn scheme for the delivery of crew and cargo, and is now thinking about a single-turn one. It will send its station to the Solnichno-synchronous orbit, from which the entire Earth is visible. But the time has come for the Americans to scratch their heads. Try to pull this trash on the ridge to the end, or drown and create your own station. It's hard to imagine more meanness from Roscosmos wassat
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 April 25 2021 16: 59
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            Useful or useless 135 Shuttle launches - history will judge.
            Which will take into account only the facts. And it follows from them that during the existence of the program, the Shuttles delivered 312 tons of cargo into orbit to the ISS under construction. While the Russian contribution is only 45,6 tons.
            From which it follows that manned space exploration of Russia owes its existence to the United States. For without the ISS, the Russians would have nowhere to fly. For its own station was drowned. And, alas, there was no money for a new one.
            Docking ...
            Two-turn docking scheme ... single-turn ...
            Yes, even zero!
            It is clear that if there is nothing more to brag about, you have to suck at least such an achievement out of your finger. What does this give in practice? Practically nothing, except for the shortening of the cosmonauts' stay in a very cramped canning can of the Union (they can be understood, this is not Dragon for them), and a reduction in the delivery time of some biomaterials (you might think they are delivered on every flight). There is no fuel saving, because the height of the docking with the ISS does not change, and only a few kilograms are spent on the orientation mode, the energy savings are negligible, and the spacecraft will still be charged afterwards. In addition, a number of special ballistic conditions have to be fulfilled in order to agree on the launch time.
            1. hrych
              hrych April 25 2021 17: 25
              +4
              Those. I figured it out with the academicians, now I have started the history wassat
              Quote: Cosm22
              Two-turn docking scheme ... single-turn ...

              And you try, and then scratchwassat For such people, none of our achievement, not an achievement, but some American helicopter shot on earth with light filters, and not corresponding to the real Mars - the pinnacle of human thought. There the sky is not red at all, and the surface is also not red. Well, for ordinary people like you, it will do. As with the Moon, the brown soil has been made gray for you and you are satisfied. wassat Union does not suit you? Firstly, the angoraged liars and detractors of everything Russian, deliberately talk about its crampedness, but they are silent that, unlike the "one-room" Dragon, it also has a household compartment, and with a toilet. The apartment is small, but "two-room" with a bathroom. There, the pilot can relax ... in every sense. Take a break from being in a chair. Although now the flight is only three hours. But for more than a day, seven Draconians, and a half of the women, will have to shit in a diaper for a day and stink at each other. Therefore, beautiful masked ones, no, not spacesuits, but suits, completely in feces and stench wassat
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 April 25 2021 18: 47
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                I have nothing else to do, how to deal with Russian academics?
                I immediately turn to a more authoritative source.
                To the recognized master of cosmonautics, Mr. Rogozin. By the way, his ardent admirers like the bastard are supposed to graze on his Twitter day and night, catching and savoring every word on the fly. And what does it say? On Twitter? In response to the question asked, "Is Roscosmos currently rejecting the project for a high-latitude station?" The literal answer is "The inclination and altitude of the orbit have been determined. More on that soon." We are looking at the date - April 20. Freshak. Those. nothing is known yet. So what is there and on the basis of what facts Messrs. Academicians are rassing about - they alone know. They pay money for this talking shop, although it would be better if academics finally got down to the concept of superheavy than pouring water from empty to empty. There would be more sense.
                You still have time to tighten up the materiel. Until the trampoline specialist's verdict is announced. Find out what is the semantic difference between the adjectives "high latitude" and "polar". Find out for yourself the parameters of the MTR.
                To announce specific figures of the difference between the radiation levels (or radiation doses received by the astronauts, as you like) between the values ​​in orbits with an orbital inclination of 51,6 degrees and 64,8 degrees. Or 98.
                But the constant mention of the toilet in every comment is bad manners. Why remind each time that toilets are our strong point? That maintenance and repair of toilets on the ISS is exclusively the prerogative of Russian cosmonauts? In their free time, of course, when they are not in line to conduct experiments in the American or European modules.
              2. hrych
                hrych April 25 2021 19: 51
                +4
                Quote: Cosm22
                we look at the date - April 20. Freshak.
                This is what Rogozin said about 97-98 degrees in his speech to academicians on April 21. Those. you have rotten, not fresh. If you listened to him, then this is not his whim, but the "customer" and he calls on biologists to deal with radiation in advance.
                Quote: Cosm22
                what is the semantic difference between the adjectives "high latitude" and "polar".

                Did I even call it high-latitude? Don't fantasize wassat I understand that you yourself are already speaking and responsible for me. I said that ours flee to high latitudes from the American camp wassatFirstly, this is a joke, and secondly, it really flies over higher latitudes. wassat Or is it not so? Therefore, your straight argument is liquid wassat
                Quote: Cosm22
                But the constant mention of the toilet in every comment is bad manners.

                If you are not aware that your favorite Americans are constantly breaking the tremors, then google it. Astranaut because of the toilet hysteria even wanted to kill everyone wassat There is also a mentality. Our pilots shit in their pants, fundamentally disagree. You see, give them a toilet, even on a transporter, and give them a separate compartment to relax. laughing
                Quote: Cosm22
                In their free time, of course, when they are not in line to conduct experiments in the American or European modules.

                For this false nonsense, your colleague "slipped" has already poked at ... your favorite Americans wassat
        2. vadim dok
          vadim dok April 25 2021 17: 09
          -5
          What a great achievement the two-coil circuit! This is just arithmetic for calculating a flight procedure. To be honest, I do not see a SPECIAL need for this scheme!
          1. hrych
            hrych April 25 2021 17: 48
            +3
            Quote: vadim dok
            Honestly, I don't see a SPECIAL need for this scheme!
            If the problem is vision, then maybe glasses will help wassat Firstly, there is a difference for a pilot to fly for a day and shit in a diaper, like on a dragon, or fly in three hours and get to work. On these first days - a critical moment of adaptation, there is a rush of blood to the head, disorientation and just bad. Or you may have to dock manually. In three hours, the pilot does not suffer, and the adaptation takes place already on board the ISS, with the appropriate means, and at ROSS, there will also be a centrifuge. And even in a rescue operation, like oxygen delivery, etc., it matters how long to hold out, 3 hours or 30 hours. How is it? Still can't see? Eyes that is?
          2. zlinn
            zlinn April 25 2021 20: 21
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            but mainly this is the merit of the station's orbital inclination of 51,6 degrees, which is not much more than the latitude of Baikonur (47), but from 28 degrees of Cape Canqueral it is just stupidly longer to scratch up to the ISS, and when American geminis docked with agenes with the same inclination, then quite managed to dock in 70 minutes (less than one turn)
          3. Xscorpion
            Xscorpion April 26 2021 09: 11
            +1
            Quote: vadim dok
            What a great achievement the two-coil circuit! This is just arithmetic for calculating a flight procedure. To be honest, I do not see a SPECIAL need for this scheme!

            That is, it makes no difference how long you are on the road, 3 hours or a day? This is the same as someone travels to a neighboring city by car, and someone by cart. So for the dull, you are on a cart, together with the Americans. And we prefer more comfortable and fast mode of transport.
      4. slipped
        slipped April 25 2021 20: 30
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        Quote: vadim dok
        built the ISS mainly with the help of Shuttles.


        The ISS AS was assembled "mainly with the help of Shuttles". Our modules, except for the "Rassvet", got to the station on their own.

        Quote: vadim dok
        In general, 348 American astronauts and 123 cosmonauts of the USSR-Russia have visited space.


        This is due to the fact that the Americans flew for a short time, and ours for a long time. The record for a long stay at the station (437 days and 18 hours) belongs to our cosmonaut Polyakov.

        Quote: vadim dok
        By the way, the Zvezda module is actually American, because. The Americans paid for it!


        Wrong. The Americans paid for the production of the Zarya module, and since we launched this module, 1/3 of the internal volumes of this module in orbit are Russian and it is included in the ISS RS.
      5. Ingvvar08
        Ingvvar08 April 26 2021 09: 01
        +2
        Over the 60 years that have passed since the flight of Yuri Gagarin, more than 520 people from 35 countries have visited space. In total, they spent more than 38 thousand days in orbit, or almost 105 years. Including Russian cosmonauts worked in orbit for 20 thousand 846 days, or more than 57 years, and American astronauts - 14 thousand 905 days, or almost 41 years. Moreover, in our country, there are three times less astronauts who have flown than in the United States. Why - it is clear: the Americans mostly had "shuttle flights". We have long expeditions.
  • Cosm22
    Cosm22 April 25 2021 12: 07
    -8
    Well, why post nonsense? Long comment?
    If you can express the essence in two words - the grapes are green. Or a little longer - well, we cannot do anything else. Neither technically nor technologically. Therefore, the ceiling in the operation of our own ORs is to roll back to the level of the last century. And even then OR "Mir" looks an order of magnitude more functional than the planned ROS, assembled from fragments of a bookmark almost thirty years ago.
    And in what school is this kind of physics taught? Having mastered which, the students are only able to grind nonsense about the radiation they heard somewhere?
    Will ROS spin in Van Allen's belts? But what is the difference in principle for LEO - an orbital inclination of 51,6 degrees or 64,8-70 degrees? Orbital altitude 300 km or 350?
    1. hrych
      hrych April 25 2021 12: 27
      0
      Quote: Cosm22
      Well, why post nonsense?

      Should I listen to you? wassat
      Quote: Cosm22
      What's the difference in principle?

      For you, no wassat
      Quote: Cosm22
      orbital inclination 51,6 degrees or 64,8-70 degrees?

      We quote what is needed for your fake justification?
      The station's orbit inclination will be 64,8 ° or 97 ° against 51,6 ° at the ISS. This trajectory allows you to survey the entire planet, and not a limited area. That's the whole difference. wassat
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 April 25 2021 13: 30
        -7
        I see the question is not understood. Which is quite expected.
        I chew.
        What is the difference between the radiation for OR in an orbit with an inclination of 51,6 degrees or 64,8 degrees? Can you give the exact figure? You can not. Then on what basis do you say that increased radiation (by orders of magnitude, I suppose?) Is a reason to make the OS not permanently inhabited, but only visited? Do you know the distance to the ROS orbit? Are you aware that the radiation values ​​increase sharply only after the distance from the Earth by 500 km?
        Yes, there are certainly some differences in the numbers in relation to different values ​​of the orbital inclination. And for high latitudes, they will be somewhat larger. But not by a critical amount. This is not an argument to justify creating a visited OS only. In fact, the reasons are different.
        By the way, northern latitudes are not the most dangerous in terms of radiation. The southern ones are more dangerous.
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          2. Leon68
            Leon68 April 25 2021 16: 57
            +2
            You need to read "slipped" as well. He is completely in the space theme. I always read it with interest.
        2. hrych
          hrych April 25 2021 13: 49
          +4
          Quote: Cosm22
          I see the question is not understood.

          I ask the questions here wassat
          Quote: Cosm22
          Can you give the exact figure? You can not.

          He blurted out and answered himself. Is it self-service or self-satisfaction? wassat At a meeting of the members of the Academy of Sciences of the Russian Federation, 97-98 degrees and practically a Sun-synchronous orbit, with all the consequences, were sounded. Better not mislead people. Don't talk nonsense, but watch the jubilee meeting of the academicians yourself. I, mournful, only quoted academics laughing It can certainly help your education, although it is unlikely. You position yourself smarter and more informed than Rogozin wassatAmong other things, Doctor of Philosophy and Doctor of Technical Sciences. Of course, it's full of all sorts of greats. Professor fake and other audience wassat
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 25 2021 20: 48
            -4
            Quote: hrych
            You position Rogozin Among other things, Doctor of Philosophy and Doctor of Technical Sciences.

            Your division! What are the sciences? This is a typical major: Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin was born in Moscow on December 21, 1963 in the family of Lieutenant General, Deputy Head of the Armament Service of the USSR Ministry of Defense, Oleg Konstantinovich Rogozin. Purely Vika: He was a correspondent-trainee in the main editorial office of the Central Television of the USSR State Television and Radio Broadcasting and in the main editorial office of Latin America of the Novosti Press Agency. Those. the former Komsomol organizer-party worker now controls space.
            now we need to clearly understand for what purposes (children) the Soviet Union was destroyed by many lieutenant generals.
            1. hrych
              hrych April 25 2021 21: 18
              +2
              You have forgotten that he was a plenipotentiary representative in NATO and it seems that he also had an illegal component. He defended his scientific work at arms. And humanitarian protection was about security. Kiriyenko at Rosatom has achieved good health and you won’t think. Also Rogozin leads the right way. And of course, all these are zits-chairmen of a certain "headquarters" of big heads, as well as Shoigu. Where I would say, people who have seven spans in their foreheads.
        3. Disant
          Disant April 25 2021 17: 22
          +1
          Then on what basis do you claim that increased radiation (by orders of magnitude, I suppose?) Is a reason to make the OS not permanently inhabited, but only visited?

          the lines of the Earth's magnetic field are closed in the region of the poles, therefore there is reason to believe that there is an increased background there.
          A satellite with the necessary equipment for data acquisition will be launched into the ROSS orbit. Bion-2. 2023 year
  • 3danimal
    3danimal April 25 2021 13: 05
    -3
    It is believed that the idea of ​​a visited station is a rollback in the 70s due to budget constraints.
    SpaceX has its own unique experience.
    NASA has its own rockets that do NOT use the Raptor and Merlin engines, the reentry stages of the rocket.
    1. hrych
      hrych April 25 2021 13: 26
      +2
      Quote: 3danimal
      It is believed that the idea of ​​a visited station is a rollback in the 70s.

      And who cares about this opinion? wassat
    2. slipped
      slipped April 25 2021 15: 11
      +6
      Quote: 3danimal
      It is believed that the idea of ​​a visited station is a rollback in the 70s due to budget constraints.


      Wrong opinion. The design of the ROSS station assumes greater automation than that of the ISS, which does not require the constant presence of a person for control, as it is today. In addition, the lion's share of space experiments will be carried out to the outer surface with the maintenance of the Teledroid robotic system.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal April 26 2021 10: 33
        0
        We will see in the next 10 years request
      2. Disant
        Disant April 26 2021 13: 36
        0
        the lion's share of space experiments will be carried to the outer surface with the maintenance of the Teledroid robotic system.

        Fedya will go into battle?
        1. slipped
          slipped April 26 2021 14: 03
          +2
          Quote: Disant
          the lion's share of space experiments will be carried to the outer surface with the maintenance of the Teledroid robotic system.

          Fedya will go into battle?


          The control and interaction with the Skybot F-850 robot took place within the framework of the "Tester" program. All tasks were completed successfully, a number of interesting answers to our questions were received.

          "Teledroid" is the next stage in the development of systems with TORU. It is planned not necessarily completely anthropomorphic. In addition, it was originally designed for open space conditions, since it will be "parked" on the outer surface of the station.
          1. Disant
            Disant April 26 2021 17: 07
            0
            It is planned not necessarily completely anthropomorphic. In addition, it was originally designed for open space conditions, since it will be "parked" on the outer surface of the station.

            I like blue better


            Robot Fedor in gilding
  • Yves762
    Yves762 April 25 2021 15: 15
    -4
    Quote: hrych
    There will be no permanent presence at the station, it will fly along a trajectory over the Arctic and Antarctic, where the radiation is increased and the constant presence of the crew is harmful and unnecessary. The experience of Mir and the ISS has shown that the crew interferes with the operation of sensitive instruments.
    - Does the increased radiation interfere with "sensitive devices"? what The experience of Chernobyl and Fukushima suggests the opposite, and there it was not the most "sensitive" ...
    And biorobot is still more useful as a "laboratory assistant" than any cast-iron "FEDORs". There, after all, the very meaning of the OS was in experiments in space. ("military" with "decay" fell off), and not in the equipment of trains to the moon.
    ...what... Actually, the need for lunar "trains" of an intermediate OS in Earth's orbit is still extremely controversial ???

    Quote: hrych
    ... In general, manned astronautics found itself in stagnation. And so the brave American clever men came to that moment, with their Dragon-2 manned program (such as a private one) and Starliner (which should fly soon). RF, taking into account many years of experience, is moving away from this anachronism.
    - FAQ ??? belay Why are "manned astronautics" mixed in applications to OS-m and KK-m?
    And in what way does the Russian Federation go? This is the spacecraft "Eagle" (not even the "Clipper") or something from Crew Dragon-2 or CST-100, in fact, bourgeois modernized versions of "Soyuz", is so different that it "goes away from this anachronism" !? Yes, be afraid of the Queen S.P. !!! fool

    Quote: hrych
    It is NASA with its twitching constantly fever.
    - No. Probably still not Roskosmovskaya "cow", with its stories on the launch vehicle "Angara", spacecraft "Eagle" / "Clipper", and MLM "Science", still "hum". Not decently somehow ...

    Quote: hrych
    And all medical experiments with the human body in zero gravity have long been passed.
    - Nope. For example, there are also "teachers skipped" special sections of "anatomy textbooks" repeatimportant for "long-term stay in space" (ts.) soldier.

    Quote: hrych
    When you calm down with criticism of Roskosmos and its leadership.
    - Well, at least when they won't be given budget money. So that "at their own expense" all their "whims". We will not criticize Toda - we will compose jokes ... laughing
    Ps. S-s.
    Quote: hrych
    People should be reduced in the development of automation, and not vice versa.
    - Oh well...
    As there was: "" Violinist "is not needed ..." - yes? * .... negative "City" by Clifford Simak, have a thoughtful "smoke." yes
    1. hrych
      hrych April 25 2021 15: 54
      +2
      There is not such a radiation that it is directly fatal. There it is only elevated and only for a long stay of biological objects can it be harmful. The devices quietly go beyond the VanAllen belts, work in deep space, where a living cell dies. Anachronism - how the ISS is used. The union is NOT morally outdated and copes with its task perfectly. All sorts of Eagles - I consider them as misinformation of the enemy, so that they walk the path of dragons and starliners further ... to a dead end laughing It was Roskosmos that did not twitch. Clippers, gonormers and eagles did not go further than layouts. The same USSR fell into the heresy of a dead-end Buran.
      Quote: Yves762
      - Oh well.

      That's it wassat
      1. Yves762
        Yves762 April 25 2021 18: 14
        -1
        Quote: hrych
        There it is only elevated and only for a long stay of biological objects can it be harmful. The devices quietly go beyond the VanAllen belts, work in deep space, where a living cell dies.


        what You know, the Artemis program (NASA's Lunar Exploration Program) is the thing that covers your whole argument. wink The main thing here is to smoke it wider.

        Quote: hrych
        All sorts of Eagles - I consider them as misinformation of the enemy, so that they walk the path of dragons and starliners further ... to a dead end laughing... The same USSR fell into the heresy of a dead-end Buran.
        - FAQ?
        ..... what .....
        So "Buran" or "Soyuz" is a dead-end branch ??? request
        Or is it also "to misinform the enemy."?


        P-s. S-s.
        Putin seems to have forgotten about the "Mars-500", for example, and why it was made. What to do ... Age. Sclerosis. crying
        1. hrych
          hrych April 25 2021 18: 53
          +1
          The Union is working and will continue to work, because it is optimal and solves the assigned tasks. It is subject to modernization and is now converted to digital. Those. was relevant, is now relevant and will be relevant for many years. Buran and Shuttle are a dead end, one launch was enough for us to understand, but they had to lose 2 ships and 14 people and come to the same. The very stupidity of lifting 70 tons of useless load (your own weight). The dive was impossible. Columbia dived ... Fence and repair of satellites is no longer relevant, the satellites themselves have become smaller and cheaper with the development of electronics. SDI never took place. What do you still not understand?
          Quote: Yves762
          The Artemis program (NASA's Lunar Exploration Program) is the thing that covers your whole argument.

          Where's she? It will take place, then come in. While the budget is being divided, it seems like they give Musk, or maybe they take him away. Brown compares favorably with Musk ... he had Kubrick wassat Although Brown made Saturn-5, even though the first stage accelerated to 4 swings, and not up to 8 calculated (calculated according to the Mach cone), nevertheless. Musk has a rocket only in his imagination.
          Quote: Yves762
          It seems that Ren-TV's reptilians have won ..

          With the development of people over the millennia, or rather a hundred or more, people really turned out to be different. Various lobes of the cerebral cortex are developed. And the funny thing is that for some, the areas formed during the evolution of reptiles really dominate and prevail. Therefore, outwardly normal people behave like non-humans and their reptilian centers dominate. Therefore, in every joke ... What centers do you have ... a question wassat
          1. Yves762
            Yves762 April 25 2021 23: 05
            -3
            Quote: hrych
            The Union is working and will continue to work, because it is optimal and solves the assigned tasks. It is subject to modernization and is now converted to digital. Those. was relevant, is now relevant and will be relevant for many years.

            what
            SpaceX has successfully launched four astronauts to the International Space Station, reusing the Falcon 9 rocket and the Crew Dragon spacecraft.

            laughing It will not.

            Something doesn’t connect your interpretation with the facts, don’t you?

            P-s. S-s.
            For sim nafig. Laziness already ... repeat
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich April 25 2021 10: 54
    +12
    Quote: Boris55
    Rogozin sleeps and sees how our US cosmonauts are delivered to orbit ... When will he calm down ...

    The note states:
    The head of Roscosmos denied the presence of negotiations with the American company SpaceX on the delivery of astronauts into orbit on the American ships Crew Dragon. According to Rogozin, Russia has its own ships.

    Thus, he reacted to the publication of some media outlets that announced the negotiations between Roscosmos and SpaceX.that appeared after the statement of the head of the company Elon Musk about his readiness to cooperate with Russia. Musk, at a press conference on the sending of the Crew Dragon to the ISS, announced the honor of bringing Russian cosmonauts into orbit.


    How, here's how you managed to conclude from this that Rogozin dreams that the Americans would take our cosmonauts to the ISS?
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 25 2021 11: 39
      +8
      so he is not a reader .. he is a thinker .. he thought of it himself)
  • slipped
    slipped April 25 2021 11: 08
    +10
    Quote: Boris55
    When will he calm down then ...


    Indeed, it delivers and delivers, that's the infection. laughing Already the Americans fly on their pepelatse, and he delivers. To tear farts at the ruins. It hurts them.
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 25 2021 11: 37
    +4
    that moment that you can't even read the news on the case .. Rogozin did not say that "he sleeps and sees." He generally said that there are no such agreements, the Americans are trying to somehow push through the exchange
  • NIKN
    NIKN April 25 2021 11: 44
    +2
    Quote: Boris55
    Rogozin sleeps and sees how our US cosmonauts are delivered to orbit ... When will he calm down ...

    Whats wrong with that? Ours also flew on shuttles.
    1. slipped
      slipped April 25 2021 15: 16
      +3
      Quote: NIKNN
      Quote: Boris55
      Rogozin sleeps and sees how our US cosmonauts are delivered to orbit ... When will he calm down ...

      Whats wrong with that? Ours also flew on shuttles.


      Look at what ours were doing at the same time: it was mainly the delivery of expedition members or the maintenance of Russian equipment also delivered by shuttles under an agreement.
      1. NIKN
        NIKN April 25 2021 15: 31
        +3
        Quote: slipped
        Take a look at what our people were doing at the same time:

        Where do the firewood come from? We were engaged in the expedition program and no matter how they got there.
  • ugol2
    ugol2 April 25 2021 12: 49
    +8
    Quote: Boris55
    our US cosmonauts are delivered to orbit ...

    Ya ruski know oten carcio!
    So after all, OURS deliver cosmonauts USA into orbit,
    Or OUR astronauts are delivered to the US orbit? Who delivers whom?
  • Mouse
    Mouse April 25 2021 09: 50
    -7
    "Musk, at a press conference on the launch of the Crew Dragon to the ISS, announced the honor of bringing Russian cosmonauts into orbit."
    do you have a boat? what
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 25 2021 09: 54
      +2
      Quote: Mouse
      do you have a boat?

      Crew Dragon is that not a boat ?! I am also a patriot, but you shouldn't fall into such a frenzy.
      1. loki565
        loki565 April 25 2021 10: 08
        -6
        [quote] Crew Dragon is that not a boat?
        This is all until the first accident, and then again they will fly on the union.
        1. skif8013
          skif8013 April 25 2021 10: 18
          +4
          [quote = loki565] [quote] Crew Dragon is that not a boat?
          This is all until the first accident, and then again they will fly on the union. [/ Quote]
          It is not excluded and that is why there is nothing for our guys to do on their ship. At least until he confirms his reliability.
          1. xorek
            xorek April 25 2021 10: 48
            -5
            [quote = skif8013] [quote = loki565] [quote] Crew Dragon is that not a boat?
            This is all until the first accident, and then again they will fly on the union. [/ Quote]
            It is not excluded and that is why there is nothing for our guys to do on their ship. At least until he confirms his reliability. [/ Quote]
            That's right, before the first accident .. They have little experience! In the USSR-Russia, everything has been worked out to the smallest problems. Well, let them fly .. Russia will now have its own station, enough to work as taxi drivers and endure humiliation .. hi
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 April 25 2021 11: 36
              -3
              Strange ...
              When they worked as taxi drivers, they boasted about this "achievement" on every corner and from every iron. And now suddenly even to mention it ashamed?
              And what is "Russia now has its own station"? The one that is still only in Rogozin's fantasies and wishes? So from the desired to the actual distance is enormous. And facts are stubborn things. And they say the following.
              There is no basis for creating a ROS yet. MLM (which will either be launched to the ISS, or not, because it already makes no sense) is not suitable as its quality. For a banal reason - Russia today cannot do what was done a quarter of a century ago, cannot make new tanks. Installation of additional. filters the problem does not solve in any way. Those. the module will be disposable, it cannot be connected to the ROC vehicle, it will not be possible to correct the orbit with its help.
              The task of adjusting the orbit is now assigned to the NEM. Which, the stump is clear, now needs to be redone. Considering that even before that, the NEM module was only planned to be launched only in 2025 (at best), the question arises: how many years do you need to throw by this date? Five years? Ten? Or, by analogy with MLM, a little more?
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 April 25 2021 10: 22
          +1
          There have been 9 launches since the last Falcon80 accident.

          Three human launches to the ISS = successful.

          You can also present to the Eaglet, saying that when it flies 100 times (probably never) then we'll see.

          In the meantime, 11 people are sold out on the ISS, including 2 Russian cosmonauts.


          The next flight in September is a tourist three-day flyby of the planet, without the ISS.
          1. loki565
            loki565 April 25 2021 10: 54
            -3
            In the meantime, 11 people are sold out on the ISS, including 2 Russian cosmonauts.

            And how many Israelis ???)))
            And so it happens in different ways, and one American and 2 Russians.
          2. hrych
            hrych April 25 2021 11: 21
            -4
            Before you admire uselessness and stupidity, imagine how much this multi-tribal crowd will shit. And the disposal of feces is a very complex and energy-consuming operation. With a normal number, their tremors always break. wassat How much stench, how much saliva, how much vibration for unfortunate, calibrated instruments. Ours from this communal, Taboratsygan splendor run without looking back to their station in high latitudes wassat The Americans, as usual, have vulgarized everything, turned it into a useless show. So, let them do it without us, though because of the divorce in sorrow wassat
      2. Mouse
        Mouse April 25 2021 10: 21
        +3
        Since Soviet times, admiration for the West has been ineradicable ...
        1. Konstantin Gogolev
          Konstantin Gogolev April 25 2021 10: 49
          +3
          Quote: Mouse
          Since Soviet times, admiration for the West has been ineradicable ...

          Firstly: much earlier - remember Peter (and this was due to the need to introduce a "reset" of science, industry, navigation, military science), the Academy of Sciences of the Catherine era (they played very much here - they even entrusted the official history to delve into, as a result, and appeared admiration). In the Soviet period - the need for industrialization led to an influx of foreign specialists for the industry and only for a short period, but there was no admiration. Admiration appeared with the beginning of perestroika, and it appeared, in fact, among the so-called intelligentsia and the consumer needs of society. And then this intelligentsia raised generations that reject all our and welcoming all western. The Soviet period is a period of very strong science. The Soviet reserve of science is helping now, it is very helpful, thanks to the fundamental foundations of many branches of science. And, by the way, the conglomerate of various nations within the framework of the international USSR contributed to this.
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre April 25 2021 11: 02
          +7
          Since Soviet times, admiration for the West has been ineradicable ...
          You are confusing something. There was no admiration for the West in Soviet times. Collective or personified. But in the petty-bourgeois period - Perestroika, there was. And it was actively planted from above. So the Soviet period was only in words.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 25 2021 17: 15
            +2
            But there was a guideline with copy-paste "The Americans have done and we will do" and so on in almost everything from the military-industrial complex to the citizen.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre April 26 2021 08: 39
              -1
              But there was a guideline with copy-paste "The Americans have done and we will do" and so on in almost everything from the military-industrial complex to the citizen.
              So what? Objectively, the United States was the most developed country with an industry not affected by the war. So it was justified to copy-paste the best, already developed and often run-in samples. Or you had to invent your own from scratch and spend ten times more time and resources on this full cycle.
              Yes, you are an "esthete" ...
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 25 2021 11: 25
        .
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        I'm a patriot too, but you shouldn't fall into such a frenzy.

        This FIVE! laughing
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 25 2021 11: 33
      .
      Quote: Mouse
      do you have a boat?

  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 April 25 2021 09: 50
    +11
    It is necessary to support the national cosmonautics by all means.
    Otherwise, experience disappears, and then it must be recruited again.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 25 2021 09: 58
      .
      It is necessary to support the national cosmonautics by all means.
      at whose expense, Russian pensioners and other low-income people will not be strongly "For" such a message !?
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 25 2021 10: 33
      -6
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      It is necessary to support the national cosmonautics by all means.

      And we also support the national cosmonautics with a positive and joy to victories and successes and irreconcilability and rejection of outright bungling, chatter and empty promises.
      Who if not us? We are allocated 25 per person for our "ragged life" from the budget (some are less). We have small requests and modest needs. Let the government spend more money on space programs. Only these programs should also represent "something". So that there are no such indignations:

      Perhaps after that we will all be pleased with the “simple and cheerful ruffian guy” Dima, who sleeps and sees Antonovka and White filling blooming on Mars.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal April 25 2021 21: 26
        -1
        We are allocated 25 per person for our "ragged life" from the budget (some less)

        I found interesting numbers: NASA engineers are paid several times more than Roscosmos engineers.
        But the head of NASA gets less money than Rogozin.
        This is generally a tendency in Russia (sad): it is not enough to pay employees, but the salary of a top manager is much higher (in comparison with the average salary in the company) than in the “western” (or eastern, Japan, for example).
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 25 2021 17: 19
      0
      What experience will be lost how all functions Roskosmos performed in the space sphere still continues to perform modules engines rocket satellites equipment for satellites training cosmonauts build a cosmodrome build a new spacecraft create new rockets upper stages telescopes have now returned to work on interplanetary stations and so on.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 25 2021 09: 53
    -6
    When SpaceX has safely delivered the Ostranauts into orbit ten or twenty times, it will be possible to talk. We have our own reliable workhorse.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 25 2021 09: 56
      +1
      So far, four astronauts have been delivered yesterday.
      A second time.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 25 2021 10: 15
        -3
        Yes, the score is 2 - 0. Unions have 143 - 2.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 25 2021 10: 27
          0
          Wrong. The score is 3-0 (10 astronauts delivered).
          Demo



          Crew1


          Crew2


          September - tourist flyby for 3 days

          October - Cru 3.

          December-February - Axium with tourists on the ISS.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 April 25 2021 10: 39
            0
            I kind of counted manned, let the statistics work out, it's somehow unusual for me that SpaceX has such a huge internal volume. Nothing against American astronautics. Because of the "golden 90s", we have to catch up. Starting from the machine park, ending with developments and young personnel.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 April 25 2021 10: 45
              +2
              Piloted 3 ships, I even screwed pictures. The first one was just a demo - with two astronauts and an abbreviated program.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona April 25 2021 13: 32
                -2
                Meanwhile
                Rosskosmos confirmed negotiations with NASA on this issue

                https://3dnews.ru/1038115/roskosmos-podtverdil-peregovori-so-spacex-o-dostavke-kosmonavtov-k-mks-s-pomoshchyu-crew-dragon
              2. slipped
                slipped April 25 2021 20: 55
                +2
                Quote: donavi49
                Piloted 3 ships, I even screwed pictures.


                Russia this year will launch two more manned spacecraft - one entirely commercial with filmmakers - director Shipenko has already successfully passed the medical examination and is confirmed for launch:



                Shkaplerov was there as commander. The actress will be announced at a later date.

                the second with the next ISS crew.
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik April 25 2021 11: 06
              -5
              Quote: tralflot1832
              Ours because of the "golden 90s" have to catch up.

              Quite so? In the 90s, we were # 1 in space. After 2011, as the Shuttles were canceled, they are practically monopolists. In the 00-10s, American money flowed like a river to Roscosmos. USA practically 10 years could not launch a man into space. What has been done with us during this time? Where did the free money go?

              It is for 21 years of Putin the authorities lost their leading positions in space. Yeltsin 9 years the authorities have absolutely nothing to do with it. We are now 3 in the world, not in the 90s, and not even in the 00-10s. Namely, in 2021.

              The war ended in 1945 year, in 1966 the USSR produced 50 space launches. Automatic interplanetary station "Venera-3" has reached the surface Venus.

              This is what was done in 21 years, without free money for oil, without the great legacy of the USSR, which for 30 years of the current government could not sell, after a terrible war.
              1. Genry
                Genry April 25 2021 12: 21
                +3
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                It was during the 21 years of Putin's power that the leading positions in space were lost. Yeltsin's 9 years of power have absolutely nothing to do with it.

                In the Yeltsin years, the economy was destroyed almost to zero (handed over to metal scrap). This was not the case during the Second World War. They even brought in food.

                Now, "It was during the 21 years of Putin's power" - the entire production and social infrastructure has been restored and their development is underway.
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                The war ended in 1945, in 1966 the USSR made 50 space launches.

                After the war, the economy just moved to the Urals - it was not reset to zero, as under Yeltsin. Part of the enterprises were transported to Belarus and Ukraine from Germany itself.
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal April 25 2021 12: 43
          -1
          Everything is ahead. The union began 50+ years earlier.
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal April 25 2021 12: 42
        -1
        Everything about the "swindler" Musk is about to stop working smile
  • Intruder
    Intruder April 25 2021 09: 57
    .
    The head of Roscosmos denied the presence of negotiations with the American company SpaceX on the delivery of astronauts to orbit on the American ships Crew Dragon
    burnt on Dmitry's !? So what if the spacecraft is American, or is it not hard to send a Russian cosmonaut .... ??? The Americans are simpler, without showing off the great-power, paid for a space taxi (without romance and emotions) and flew for their money in the Russian Union! laughing
    1. Ilya091
      Ilya091 April 25 2021 10: 16
      -3
      Law-abiding Rogozin follows Article 21 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which prohibits torture. I think 19 hours of waiting for a star named ISS in a diaper and a hipster spacesuit No. in that he classified it. It's better to sit for 3 hours in the harsh Soyuz (with a couch and a toilet) and get used to zero gravity alone in the spacious ISS.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 April 25 2021 10: 43
        0
        Let's give the floor to the cosmonaut who flew to the ISS, unlike you, has 334 days in orbit and 8 hours of EVA.

        Russian cosmonaut Maxim Suraev believes that long two-day flight schemes from Earth to the ISS are more convenient for astronauts, since they have time to sleep and eat, and not to perform work in an emergency mode.

        We want to fly the fastest, but I'll tell you: my first flight was in a two-day scheme, and the other - in six hours in a short scheme... I understand everything perfectly, but for me the two-day scheme was much more comfortable... If you take and estimate the time when the cosmonaut ascended (to the cosmodrome before launch - ed.), They began to give him enemas, rub it with alcohol, and when he next goes to bed, I mean when he goes there (on the ISS - ed. ) will arrive when he prepares everything, dries the spacesuits, you will be stunned. You just already work on the machine and do not understand what you are doing. ”Yes, it's cool that ours flew quickly. But why? Who needs it? " - the astronaut asks. According to him, the two-day flight schemes allow the crew to adapt to zero gravity after stress at the start, to rest and refresh themselves.


        1. Ilya091
          Ilya091 April 25 2021 11: 00
          +6
          Alexander Yurievich Kaleri, 5 space flights, 769 days, took part in expeditions to both Mir and ISS.
          Kaleri said that during his flights into orbit, "it was not very bad, it was normal, in general." "On the other hand, subjectively, I did not have a good rest for two days of passive flight. Sleep during the transition period was anxious and not very stable.", - said the astronaut.
          "Arguments are heard that in two days you can fly and sleep off. In my opinion, there is only an accumulation of fatigue. And full rest, relieving this fatigue, does not work.", - he added.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 April 25 2021 11: 23
            0
            Well, I'm writing about this. Even among the cosmonauts who have flown, there is no consensus on long, short and ultra-short circuits.

            The Americans can also fly faster to the ISS if they want to. This is not a problem. NASA will roll out - 6-8 hours in accordance with the requirements of the new contract and will fly in 6-8 hours.
            1. Ilya091
              Ilya091 April 25 2021 12: 00
              +1
              So what are the reasons to fly the long pattern?
              sleep and have a snack,
              it is possible on the ISS, and sleep is better, and food is more varied.
              Flying in a long pattern is "more painful", less easy for the crew and requires more fuel.
              According to doctors, the state of euphoria from flying in zero gravity passes on the fifth or sixth orbit, it is better to endure space sickness in more comfortable conditions on the ISS

              The flight in two revolutions simplifies the work of astronauts - fewer operations, fewer starts of the Soyuz engine. For ballisticians, on the other hand, there are more tasks.

              Here's what Ryzhikov says, for example
              I think the two-turn circuit is more convenient from the point of view of perception by the body. <...> In fact, the work is no different, only it is performed without interruptions, more concisely and dynamically
              Sergey Ryzhikov, commander of the crew that flew on the Soyuz MS-17 spacecraft according to a two-turn scheme

              NASA will roll out - 6-8 hours in accordance with the requirements of the new contract and will fly in 6-8 hours.

              As the saying goes: "That's when we'll talk," by that time the Union will probably be flying on a single-orbit in 2 hours (well, or it will experience progress)
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 April 25 2021 12: 12
                0
                it is possible on the ISS, and sleep is better, and food is more varied.


                The highlight is when you are on the ISS, you are at work. While you are flying, you are not at work. There, somewhere on YouTube, there was a good movie about the ISS and their routine. Those who flew in yesterday are already working today, from familiarization and cleaning, to the beginning of various experiments (for example, the blood is being handed over), well, they are unloading their ship.

                The long circuit allows acclimatization without the pressure of the MCC and colleagues. While the ship is flying, the regulations are minimal and you can spend most of the time on yourself, rest, tidying up, fighting nausea and dizziness, and so on.

                However, again, those who can fly well praise the fast circuit. Those who are worse or do not like pressure - they criticize. Grandfathers 1+ will fly on AX-60, grandfather himself is 64. Therefore, a long circuit will definitely be better here.
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 25 2021 11: 41
      0
      Well, yes .. "easier" .. you are so naive that it's funny
  • Konstantin Gogolev
    Konstantin Gogolev April 25 2021 09: 58
    -3
    And Rogozin's turnip is growing).
    I think it's still bullshit. No specific statements were made - and what does it mean "we will be happy", so they will be happy for any additional passenger. And it's just that the shares will go up after such a remark. Although it should be noted the last start (the first reusable manned). Well done, what to say.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 25 2021 10: 40
      -3
      Quote: Konstantin Gogolev
      And Rogozin's turnip is growing).

      On the topic of turnips:
      A curvy girl is walking down the street. Two blockheads hobble behind her,
      watching the play of elastic "buns". One to the other:
      - She has good teeth ...
      - How do you know - you can't see from behind ...
      - You can't eat such "buns" with bad teeth ...
      ===========
      Mr. Rogozin undergo dental examinations and treatment in a timely manner. yes
  • xorek
    xorek April 25 2021 09: 58
    0
    Rogozin denied reports of negotiations with SpaceX on the delivery of astronauts into orbit

    They bully Russia, well, well .. And if this happens, it will be called the end of the space power and most likely Russia, as an independent state ..
    Do not wait for the bastard ..! Thank God Roskosmos plans to create its own station and have already created heavy launch vehicles, they knew that this would happen .. We will achieve more together with China .. hi
    Before the first accident gentlemen wink hi
    1. Kronos
      Kronos April 25 2021 10: 07
      -3
      Under Rogozin, Roskosmos can only plan.
      1. xorek
        xorek April 25 2021 10: 37
        0
        Quote: Kronos
        Under Rogozin, Roskosmos can only plan.

        Rogozin, just a talking head for whipping, and the work is carried out there and serious and silent hi
      2. Ilya091
        Ilya091 April 25 2021 10: 46
        +2
        And before him there were "just finally the Casmic Power of Namber Oan"! That's just our AMC flew to the Moon and Mars and then Rogozin came and ... stopped flying. In 1976, Rogozin probably became the head laughing ... Do you really have such a good memory that you do not remember either Komarov or Perminov? It was then that they really knew how to plan, not like the current tribe, the problems were very serious, but due to the lack of contrast, everyone did not care what decisions the leaders made, and now they are ready to gnaw Rogozin's throat, probably for the fact that in 2 years Proton never fell, return our troubles! lol
        Make your way to at least one enterprise in the space industry, KB "Arsenal" for example, and ask them they are planning or doing, and under which head what work they did.

        Photo fact: Rogozin "plans" inside the body of the Soyuz-5 rocket fellow
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal April 25 2021 12: 45
      -5
      The heaviest one is 37 tons. Few, against 63t for Musk.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 25 2021 17: 30
        +2
        Russian Hangars with a carrying capacity of 24.5 tons for LEO will be enough for the eyes until the end of the 20th for all missions and output loads, and there already Angara A5B with 38 tons will appear and in 2029 -30 and the Yenisei will fly. The Chinese are promising their superheavy in 2030. And I very much doubt that Falcon Heyvey will deliver a 10 ton payload in one launch in the next 63 years.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 25 2021 21: 15
          -3
          I doubt your doubts are objective smile
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal April 26 2021 00: 36
      -2
      The key here is "we are with China."
      I would like to “show everyone”, but there is an understanding that you need to rely on the power of superpower number 2.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik April 26 2021 00: 40
        -3
        Quote: 3danimal
        "We are with China"

        There is no us, there is China, there is Russia. We do not cooperate in space at all. There are no joint programs, they are all developing independently.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 26 2021 02: 07
          -2
          I see, but I'm talking about the psychology of the authors of such phrases smile
          They themselves understand the balance of power and capabilities.
  • knn54
    knn54 April 25 2021 10: 00
    +2
    - American ships were supposed to fly one Russian cosmonaut, and Russian ships - one American astronaut.
    All a Happy Holiday.
    Something (maybe inappropriately - in the morning a good mood) anecdote remembered:
    The Lord's lions meet.
    -My wife sleeps with Rabinovich ..
    - This is bad.
    - True, I sleep with his wife.
    - Oh, it's good!
    - Okay? I already have two children from him!
    - It's still bad.
    - But he also has two children from me
    - Oh, so you are in the calculation!
    - Pretty "in the calculation"! I make lords for him, and he make me Jews!
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk April 25 2021 10: 00
    .
    - Dmitry Olegovich, they are calling from EastUnion and asking to confirm the order for a personal Gulfstream business jet for your flight to Vostochny, to confirm?
    - Why, we have our own superjets ... Ha-ha-ha, just kidding! Of course confirm ...
    1. Ilya091
      Ilya091 April 25 2021 10: 24
      +9
      Gulfstream was rented in 2017, Rogozin became the head only in 2018. And he flies either Tu-134 or Tu-204. You don't want to say that he jumps to a business jet in flight, do you?
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 25 2021 10: 45
      -2
      By the way, about SSJs and MS-21s ... In this production, I am oppressed only by the turtle's skill and the rate on imported components (in large quantities). Everything else suggests that Russia has the potential for aircraft construction.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal April 25 2021 12: 47
        -3
        rate for imported components (in large quantities).

        Due to the lack of components of similar quality and manufacturability with us.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova April 26 2021 08: 54
          0
          the reason is different, with Western components they quickly certify the plane
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal April 26 2021 10: 54
            0
            That is, the debugged and serial Pratt & Wittney PW1431G engine
            was it put on the MS-21 only for the speed of certification? smile
            Everything is simpler: ours was still in development (passed certification in 2018).
            Even now, it does not have such a level of service and supply of spare parts; serial production began only in 2020. And still it contains 5% of foreign components.
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor April 25 2021 10: 18
    -2
    "Russia is not negotiating with the US on the delivery of Russian cosmonauts to the ISS" Should we talk to the US about the delivery of RUSSIAN cosmonauts to the ISS? news scribe ..
  • Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 25 2021 10: 31
    -5
    Who is in charge of the Cosmos in our country?

    After the detention of the top manager of the Progress RCC, Konstantin Naumov, by the FSB officers in the Samara region, the Mordoded channel wished him “10 years of mines and confiscation,” because “in every photo there are missiles that didn’t take off, satellites that fell”. The denouement seems to be near.
    There is a mess in Samara

    https://zasekin.ru/days/31267
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 25 2021 10: 32
    +4
    Save your nerves, we have three cosmodromes and they do not rust. We launched, we are launching and we will launch. Roskosmos is supposed to launch tomorrow from the Eastern Union.
    1. xorek
      xorek April 25 2021 10: 42
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Save your nerves, we have three cosmodromes and they do not rust. We launched, we are launching and we will launch. Roskosmos is supposed to launch tomorrow from the Eastern Union.

      Well done Andrey! And then there are masqueraders, they are just squealing with joy .. Russia was, is and will be the leading space power! There are problems, but they are being resolved and no sanctions will bring us to our knees .. The breakthrough will be sure and will surprise everyone!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 25 2021 17: 34
      +2
      Well, Russia formally has 4 Plesetsk Vostochny Baikonur cosmodrome and now the frozen Sea Launch as Soyuz 5 will fly, so the latter will be modernized and put into operation.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 25 2021 11: 49
    0
    And this is nothing that Roskosmos is responsible for the Sarmatians! And they will be put on duty from 2022. Everything does not work for you, everything Putin VV and Ragozin DO have filled up. For me, first military space, and then "peaceful". So it will be ...
  • cniza
    cniza April 25 2021 11: 54
    +8
    To date, there are no such agreements, perhaps they will appear in the future, but for now the Russians will fly into orbit on their ships.


    It will not be right if we fly American ...
    1. xorek
      xorek April 25 2021 11: 57
      -1
      Quote: cniza
      To date, there are no such agreements, perhaps they will appear in the future, but for now the Russians will fly into orbit on their ships.


      It will not be right if we fly American ...

      Yes, I think ours will not agree .. We have everything of our own! There are heavy-class "Angara" rockets, they will pull everything we want into orbit and they are ready already!
      And let those Pokemon in Hollywood costumes fly by themselves, until the first accident .. hi
      1. cniza
        cniza April 25 2021 12: 05
        +9
        We need peace, but not the embrace of the Americans, they can strangle ... hi
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal April 25 2021 12: 48
        -2
        The heaviest hangara (it is still planned, did NOT fly) - 37t. Max didn't strain smile
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 25 2021 12: 24
    -1
    Let Musk fly his own coffin truck.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal April 25 2021 12: 50
      -3
      If he wants to. But the "springboard works" and will compete with the Unions.
      When to wait for the promised Federation?
      1. Disant
        Disant April 25 2021 19: 00
        +2
        When to wait for the promised Federation?

        when the new module is screwed to the ISS in the form of a four-push toilet, at least.
        Where are you going to fly again on Federations and Eagles? We have that - the Ministry of Defense with Roscosmos decided to engage in space tourism?
        We always had and still have something to fly.
        .
        But the "springboard works" and will compete with the Unions.

        The very concept of any such one-compartment inhabited Springboard is poor compared to the Union - that of theirs Crudregon, that of our Federation.
        And when the crudregon is already being planted on the ground, and not soaked in salty water, can you tell me? after all, it is considered reusable ...
        .
        there is too much noise around the Crudregon, but in any case it is better than skating in foreign Russian Unions. Optimized over time and brought to mind.
      2. slipped
        slipped April 25 2021 21: 08
        +2
        Quote: 3danimal
        If he wants to. But the "springboard works" and will compete with the Unions.


        "No miss, this is not an oxygen machine ... this is our toilet ..." laughing

        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 25 2021 21: 19
          -4
          The cosmonauts have already been delivered for the second time request
          A couple of years ago, they said that Musk would fail with CrewDragon.
          1. slipped
            slipped April 26 2021 00: 22
            +2
            Quote: 3danimal
            A couple of years ago, they said that Musk would fail with CrewDragon.


            Trying to compare the PTK NP "Eagle" with the Cru Dragon, you are trying to compare the APC with a passenger car. laughing These are devices of different class. If you can find an analogue like this, then the NPP must be compared with the "Orion".

            The first launch of "Eagle" is now in December 2023, on the "Angara-A5" from the "Vostochny" cosmodrome. Those. the mass of our new spacecraft for flights to the Moon is more than 20 tons. And there will be a normal toilet. laughing
        2. Disant
          Disant April 26 2021 10: 12
          0
          "No miss, this is not an oxygen machine ... this is our toilet ..."

          you need to look for pluses in everything. But if you pull the suction hose properly and bend, what a wonderful world opens up through the window.
          Thinking and reflecting upside down with the passengers sitting next to them, looking out the window ...
          Is the curtain in add-ons or is it already on?
          .
          Yet I think the Americans are betting on some kind of new super-breakthrough enema, which is given to astronauts before the flight.
          and how long do they fly back?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 25 2021 13: 12
    0
    Until the event happened, there is not much to talk about.
  • Quper
    Quper April 25 2021 13: 13
    +2
    No matter how criticized Rogozin here, one cannot argue against facts. After he took office as head of Roscosmos, and the rockets began to fly, I don’t remember serious accidents (I knocked on wood so as not to jinx it) So I think Rogozin is not doing very badly. Before him, each start is a test for the nerves.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal April 25 2021 21: 21
      -5
      Under Rogozin, the number of launches per year was noticeably reduced (over the course of several years).
      Fewer starts means fewer accidents.
      1. slipped
        slipped April 26 2021 00: 35
        +2
        Quote: 3danimal
        Under Rogozin, the number of launches per year was noticeably reduced (over the course of several years).
        Fewer starts means fewer accidents.


        Wrong. From 2018 to 2019, the number of launches increased:

        2018 - 20 launches
        2019 - 25 launches
        2020 - 17 launches

        in 2020, the number of launches fell due to the underdelivery of parts of spacecraft to the cosmodromes and the pandemic, from which the cooperation suffered. For three months of this year (since February), Russia has carried out six launches and is now carrying out the seventh. At least two launches next month.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 26 2021 02: 11
          -5
          However, it is a fact: in 2020, China has the first place with 39 launches, the second for the United States - 37 launches and the third for the Russian Federation - 17 launches.
          1. slipped
            slipped April 26 2021 02: 41
            +3
            Quote: 3danimal
            However, it is a fact: in 2020, China has the first place with 39 launches, the second for the United States - 37 launches and the third for the Russian Federation - 17 launches.


            We do not compete in launches with other countries. laughing We have our own Federal Space Program, which is being successfully implemented.

            At the beginning of the deployment of its large satellite constellations, the number of annual launches in Russia will increase, for this today, domestic satellite builders and operators are building new or expanding old production facilities.

            For example, within the framework of the Sphere project, the private company Gazprom: Space Systems is building a plant for the production of serial Smotr and Yamal spacecraft in Shchelkovo:



            The Reshetnev ISS company is also preparing places in its new building for the serial production of multi-satellite systems and is designing spacecraft for the Marathon-IoT and Skif platforms.

            In the meantime, we are working out the launch and deployment of our future groupings on the OneWeb grouping.


            1. 3danimal
              3danimal April 26 2021 10: 38
              0
              We have our own Federal Space Program, which is being successfully implemented.

              To the best of his strength and resources.
              But admission launches are also commercial satellites, obtaining currency. Roscosmos previously made good money on this request
              At the beginning of the deployment of its large satellite constellations, the number of annual launches in Russia will increase, for this today, domestic satellite builders and operators are building new or expanding old production facilities.

              Do you know the ratio of the US-China-Russia satellite constellations?
              Is there any reason to believe that it will noticeably change in our favor?
              1. slipped
                slipped April 26 2021 11: 32
                +1
                Quote: 3danimal
                But admission launches are also commercial satellites, obtaining currency. Roscosmos previously made good money on this request


                We still make good money on this. We have three commercial launches out of seven this year, plus one seat in Soyuz MS has been sold. It's amazing how you didn't notice. laughing

                Quote: 3danimal
                Do you know the ratio of the US-China-Russia satellite constellations?


                Most of the US space constellations are small commercial communications and remote sensing devices of private companies, while the ratio of medium and large spacecraft for various purposes with Russian spacecraft is approximately 2: 1. This is due, by the way, to the fact that Russia previously attached great importance to launches of foreign spacecraft in opposition to domestic ones - to the point that missiles intended for launching federal vehicles were transferred for launching commercial ones. Now the situation is improving in favor of domestic spacecraft.

                Quote: 3danimal
                Is there any reason to believe that it will noticeably change in our favor?


                It is foolish to count the simple number of launched spacecraft. The active civilian groups in Russia are now in general, with few exceptions, collected in sufficient numbers. In general, now the replenishment of groups is proceeding according to the actual state of the satellites - in the event of a failure, the devices are replaced. Many devices in these groups have been operating for the second time and are working well - this, by the way, is related to the frequency of their replacement. This applies to such groups as Glonass and Gonets.

                Yes, there are also problems - for example, the Meteor, Resource and Obzor groups of ERS and meteorology satellites are delayed by the replenishment of new spacecraft, but here the problems are related to the fact that the design of these spacecraft took place even before the sanction period and it takes time to import substitution of components ...

                As for the new spacecraft, for the new groupings, they are entirely designed according to the new scheme - up to 100% of their components are domestic.

                Russian private companies have also joined in the launches of their satellites, for example, a company such as Sputniks this year expects to put 15 of its small spacecraft into orbit (five have already been launched).
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal April 26 2021 11: 55
                  0
                  We still make good money on this. We have three commercial launches out of seven this year, plus one seat in Soyuz MS has been sold. It's amazing how you didn't notice.

                  Everything is learned by comparison: the share of commercial launches has significantly decreased over the past 10 years.
                  SpaceX completed 24 Falcon-9 launches last year, all successful, with re-entry stages landing on the ground / barge (this has already come to be perceived as routine, although no one else is doing it).
                  Of these, 14 are for the replenishment of the Starlink constellation, which already has 1000+ satellites in orbit.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped April 26 2021 12: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    Everything is learned by comparison: the share of commercial launches has significantly decreased over the past 10 years.


                    You forget that earlier five years ago we had problems with the production of Protons, which were taken out of flight for two years, but after that they made 20 successful launches of spacecraft, including commercial ones.

                    In addition, commercial launches are not an end in themselves - they are sources of extra-budgetary funding for Roscosmos.

                    As for the reduction in the number of heavy spacecraft being withdrawn, this is also due to the fact that most of the spacecraft on the market use American components in their design, which are prohibited from launching in Russia from next year.

                    In turn, Russia has responded by entering the market with its commercial platforms for small, medium and heavy devices. New contracts signed. Spacecraft production is in progress.

                    Quote: 3danimal
                    SpaceX completed 24 Falcon-9 launches last year, all successful, with re-entry stages landing on the ground / barge (this has already come to be perceived as routine, although no one else is doing it).


                    Russia does not need to return the first stage of "Soyuz-2" for its reuse, since the cost of the new "carrot" produced will be less than the use of blocks B, VG, D again, as a result of their salvation. In addition, such a design will result in a weight loss in payload for this carrier. The cost of withdrawal per kg PN from Soyuz-2 is three times less than that of F9.

                    When creating, in five years, the replacement of the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle - a carrier with a higher carrying capacity according to the Amur-LNG design and development project - the cost of its reuse during launches of the next missiles will be taken into account in the return stage.

                    Quote: 3danimal
                    Of these, 14 are for the replenishment of the Starlink constellation, which already has 1000+ satellites in orbit.


                    Space X is deploying its new grouping, which requires a large number of launches. Otherwise, the cost of repeated start-up of using the first stage is not justified. For the same VanWeb, fewer devices and launches are required for such a commercial service.
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal April 26 2021 13: 28
                      0
                      the use of blocks B, V.G, D repeatedly, as a result of their rescue

                      First of all, how can we save them? Parachuting? They will still be damaged upon landing.
                      This is a design from the 60s, where they are the first stage.
                      Stage 2 (A) has the same engine as B, C, D and D, it would be possible to develop folding supports and a landing program for it, but does it make sense to return only it?

                      Falcon-9 has 1 Merlin 1D + engine in the second stage, while there are as many as 9 in the first stage, it is not surprising that they were concerned with its landing.

                      No, here we need to develop a new two-stage rocket of comparable or greater payload. With a similar landing system, which, at first, will be a lot of unsuccessful ones.
                      The cost of withdrawal per kg PN from Soyuz-2 is three times less than that of F9.

                      You probably compared the cost of withdrawal to GPO Falcon-9 and LEO Soyuz-2.
                      Erroneously.
                      Falcon 9: $ 2719 (LEO)
                      $ 11 (GPO);
                      Zenit-3SL: 2 567 - 3 667 $ (?);
                      Proton-M: $ 2743 (LEO)
                      $ 10 - $ 236 (GPO);
                      Soyuz-2: $ 4 - $ 242 (LEO-GPO);
                      Atlas-5: 6 350 (LEO)
                      14 (GPO).
                      Of the Russian rockets, only Proton M is a competitor in terms of the price of launching to LEO with Falcon 9. When launching to GPO - Proton, Soyuz and Falcon-9 are on equal terms.
                      But remember that the prices had to be lowered due to the appearance of the Falcon-9.
                      1. slipped
                        slipped April 26 2021 13: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        First of all, how can we save them? Parachuting? They will still be damaged upon landing.


                        Yes, there was a project to rescue these steps by parachute. At that moment, parachute building technologies did not give one hundred percent confidence in their normal return. Now, with new technologies, we can safely return such thin-walled structures as tanks. But this will eat up all the potential for modernization that was originally built into Soyuz-2.

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                        Stage 2 (A) has the same engine as B, C, D and D, it would be possible to develop folding supports and a landing program for it, but does it make sense to return only it?


                        The same applies to the second stage - in this case, the rescue requires a supersonic parachute, which will make the entire structure heavier.

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                        Falcon-9 has 1 Merlin 1D + engine in the second stage, while there are as many as 9 in the first stage, it is not surprising that they were concerned with its landing.


                        The design of this engine was specially tested by NASA for a jet landing on the moon.

                        Quote: 3danimal
                        No, here we need to develop a new two-stage rocket of comparable or greater payload. With a similar landing system, which, at first, will be a lot of unsuccessful ones.


                        No "comparable payload" is required, since we are not going to litter space with thousands of garbage in order to recoup the costs of reusability.

                        According to the Krylo-SV light carrier program, which will be used for operational replenishment of low-orbit small spacecraft groups in the future, our stage will land on a winged basis, with its own return to the airfield.

                        According to the medium carrier program "Cupid" - reactive - for ride-ball missions.
                      2. 3danimal
                        3danimal April 26 2021 14: 54
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                        we are not going to litter space with thousands of garbage, in order to recoup the costs of reusability.

                        Falcon 9 first flew in 2010, and the Starling project began in 2015.
                        Falcon launched / launches a lot more.
                        According to the Krylo-SV light carrier program, which will be used for operational replenishment of low-earth orbit small spacecraft groups in the future, we will have a winged stage landing.

                        600kg per LEO, very light ...
                        And the first model (Baikal) was shown back in 2001, why there was no progress for almost 15-20 years? How reasonable is the project in terms of cost?
                        So far, big tests are announced for 2023.
                        The project looks more interesting
                        "Skylon"
                        , 12t on LEO on a rocket airplane with SABER hybrid engines.
                        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylon
                        They promise 1-2 thousand per kg.

                        No "comparable lifting capacity" required

                        And is it so great for the "nine"?
                        Falcon-9 - 15,6 tonnes per LEO with 1 reversible stage. 22,8t non-refundable.
                        (Interestingly, Falcon-1 can send 9 tons to Mars without returning the 4st stage. Could this be a secret option of the Mask?)
                        Proton-M - 23,7 tonnes per LEO;
                        Soyuz-2 - up to 9,2 tons per LEO.

                        Those. in terms of the thrown mass, the F-9 is approximately the Proton-M, with an arrangement without side blocks with fuel / engines.
                        Due to competition, it was necessary to significantly reduce the launch prices, respectively, the share of profit fell to the threshold of self-sufficiency.
                      3. slipped
                        slipped April 26 2021 16: 40
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                        Quote: 3danimal

                        Falcon 9 first flew in 2010, and the Starling project began in 2015.
                        Falcon launched / launches a lot more.


                        It is not clear what you mean by this.

                        Quote: 3danimal
                        600kg per LEO, very light ...


                        It is quite enough for the launch of new domestic and foreign small spacecraft, including commercial ones.

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                        the first model (Baikal) was shown back in 2001, why there was no progress for almost 15-20 years? How reasonable is the project in terms of cost?


                        The stage for the "Angara" launch vehicle according to the "Baikal" design and development project has nothing to do with the "Wing-SV" project, except perhaps with the general concept of the radar. Which has been developed since the 80s.
                      4. 3danimal
                        3danimal April 26 2021 17: 46
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                        The stage for the "Angara" launch vehicle according to the "Baikal" design and development project has nothing to do with the "Wing-SV" project, except perhaps with the general concept of the radar.


                        Le Bourget, 2001.
                        It is not clear what you mean by this.

                        The fact that there was enough work and cargo for Falcon-9 even before the appearance of the Starlink project.
                        The theory that the rocket was created specifically for Starlink is ridiculous.
                      5. slipped
                        slipped April 26 2021 20: 04
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                        Quote: 3danimal
                        Le Bourget, 2001.


                        This is a mock-up of the Angara LV winged stage. With RD-191M engines and aircraft turbojet engine.

                        The light carrier of the "Wing-SV" design and development project with a similar general layout (RLA) of the first stage is a two-stage one.

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                        The fact that there was enough work and cargo for Falcon-9 even before the appearance of the Starlink project.
                        The theory that the rocket was created specifically for Starlink is ridiculous.


                        I did not say that the F9 rocket was created for Starlink. I say that it was necessary to come up with the output of a large number of satellites in order for the F9 to pay off with launches. The same VanWeb decides to access satellite Internet with a much smaller number of satellites in orbit.
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                  3danimal April 26 2021 15: 13
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                  The design of this engine was specially tested by NASA for a jet landing on the moon.

                  The Merlin engine uses pin injectors. This type of nozzle was first used in NASA's Apollo program on the lunar module's landing stage engine.
                  Here we are talking more about general (successful) technological solutions.
                  The engines themselves are still different. request
                3. slipped
                  slipped April 26 2021 16: 41
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                  Quote: 3danimal
                  The engines themselves are still different. request



                  of course, this is some kind of modification of the lunar engine, which we got from the dusty archive.
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                  3danimal April 26 2021 17: 55
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                  Did you personally "hold the candle"? Or do you know well those who "held"? smile
                  Speculation.
                  Of course, the development was based on already existing technical solutions. I am sure NASA provided the necessary documentation (or it was bought from the firm of the copyright holder), which could help create new engine.
          2. slipped
            slipped April 26 2021 14: 15
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            Quote: 3danimal
            You probably compared the cost of withdrawal to GPO Falcon-9 and LEO Soyuz-2.


            Not. "Soyuz-2" is practically not used for withdrawal to GPO (except a couple of times from Kuru, where he is the winner). Its purpose is a MTR 800 km high.

            In the next two years, the cost of withdrawal will drop by an order of magnitude. This is due to the fact that in the launch of the ride-ball in the rocket design, the expensive Fregat RB will be replaced by a cheap breeding unit, and the RD-0124 third-stage engine will be throttled to a reduced thrust of 55% for a duration of 1000 seconds. This also allows you to display the corresponding PN on the MTR.
          3. 3danimal
            3danimal April 26 2021 15: 01
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            In the next two years, the cost of withdrawal will drop by an order of magnitude.

            Do you remember that "an order of magnitude" means 10 times?
            There is great doubt that a price of less than $ 2000 is achievable without reusability.
          4. slipped
            slipped April 26 2021 16: 43
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            Quote: 3danimal
            There is great doubt that a price of less than $ 2000 is achievable without reusability.


            We can afford to launch the MCA for free. laughing This was demonstrated in the extreme ride-ball launch from Glavkosmos. This is very annoying for other launchers who want to have their own medium rockets too.
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            3danimal April 26 2021 17: 58
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            We can afford to launch the MCA for free.

            Nothing is free at all. Roscosmos works for taxpayers' money.
            Run at a loss? An ingenious strategy to capture the market .. Or a plan for self-destruction negative
          6. slipped
            slipped April 26 2021 20: 10
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            Quote: 3danimal
            Nothing is free at all. Roscosmos works for taxpayers' money.


            Consider this a promotion. laughing

            Quote: 3danimal
            Run at a loss? An ingenious strategy to capture the market .. Or a plan for self-destruction negative


            Launches of free MCA are in addition to the main payload - even a general program developed for schools and universities is called "University Satellite". At the end of last year, four Russian-made small spacecraft were launched under this program.

            And Roskosmos is not a private shop to self-destruct. laughing
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            3danimal April 26 2021 20: 52
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            And Roskosmos is not a private shop to self-destruct

            No, his losses will be covered from the budget.
            Cutting down Rosgvardia or medicine .. Better medicine good
  • 3danimal
    3danimal April 26 2021 14: 01
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    In addition, commercial launches are not an end in themselves - they are sources of extra-budgetary funding for Roscosmos.

    But the Roscosmos budget is relatively small, almost 10 times less than NASA.
    https://www.ferra.ru/amp/news/techlife/byudzhet-roskosmosa-sravnili-s-amerikanskim-nasa-11-02-2020.htm

    So an extra "penny" never hurts, because it can be an additional 10-20% of the budget, which is very useful.
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      slipped April 26 2021 14: 25
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      Quote: 3danimal
      So an extra "penny" never hurts, because it can be an additional 10-20% of the budget, which is very useful.


      Therefore, we have a lot of commercial launches this year. laughing
  • eklmn
    eklmn April 25 2021 19: 05
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    To date, there are no such agreements, perhaps they will appear in the future, but for now the Russians will fly into orbit on their ships

    Not only "bye", but always! Frequent shifts of astronauts aboard presupposes intensive scientific research. work at the station. If this program is scanty, as it is today, then talking / discussing with amers about the place in the ship is pointless.
    Orders for R&D in space in the United States are 2 orders of magnitude higher than in Russia. And this despite the fact that almost all work is paid by the customer, and only a small% of NASA (for schools / universities).