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Donetsk is preparing to defend the Russians in Ukraine - when will Donetsk itself be defended?

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An unexpected idea


The forum "Unity of Russians: protection of rights and freedoms" held in Donetsk caused somewhat ambiguous feelings.

On the one hand, people with bright faces gathered in the DPR and for more than five hours talked about various pleasant things - how they will save Russians in Ukraine, protect them from oppression. And everything is in the same spirit. Another reason for the Russian media and politicians to remember about the LPNR, at the same time finding funding for the so-called "program of reintegration of the population of Donbass."

On the other hand, it is somehow embarrassing to talk about the protection of Russians in Ukraine, while right in the course of the event, the Russians of Donbass were killed under large caliber of Ukrainian artillery.

The protection of Russians is, in general, an extremely difficult task, which is most often realized either by holding Pushkin readings, or concerts of pop stars or some kind of literary or art competitions. In the LPNR, where Russians (with and without Russian citizenship) do not need tea drinking and conversations about literature, traditional methods seem initially useless. Frankly speaking, the very idea of ​​raising the issue of protecting the Russian people in Ukraine in the Donbass at the very moment when the military aggravation has been going on for four months seems somewhat cynical. Maybe it would be worth protecting the inhabitants of the LPNR first, before taking over the whole of Ukraine?

Otherwise, it will turn out, as in the case of the implementation of the program of reintegration of the population of Donbass, when residents of the territories occupied by Ukraine easily received free assistance in medical institutions of the LDNR, while local residents were most often forced to independently purchase all the necessary medicines.

A little late


The very idea of ​​protecting the Russian population in Ukraine looks somewhat belated - somewhere at least 7 years, during which the regime and the extremists it supports actively killed, beat, sent to prisons and forced journalists, politicians, activists and ordinary people to leave their homes forever who tried to demonstrate a positive attitude towards Russia. During this time, thousands of people were physically destroyed, expelled, arrested or simply deprived of the right to vote - those who were really ready to speak out for Russia. How relevant protection is today for survivors is an extremely difficult question, given that the overwhelming majority chose to accept the imposed rules of the game.

The "defense" program announced at the forum unambiguously presupposes interaction with a relatively rule-of-law state, but certainly not with present-day Ukraine, where lawyers are easily killed, and for any ties with Russia they can be arrested, beaten, expelled, etc. In particular, it touches the offer to Russian citizens of Ukraine to move to the DPR. Almost everyone who was fundamentally important was the Russian language, Orthodoxy and self-identification with Russia, left Ukraine long ago. Those who remained could have been tempted only by economic prosperity, but it was never achieved in the unrecognized republics - the standard of living in Donetsk and Lugansk is comparable to that of the Ukrainian periphery. It is unlikely to be too attractive, especially given the factor of recurring hostilities, curfews, etc.

But what about LDNR?


All this multi-layered talking shop looks like a profanation, or an imitation of activity - nothing more. Although to some, it might seem like a sophisticated mockery. Why is it necessary today to take vows to save the "Ukrainian Russians", while the inhabitants of Donbass die almost every day? A question without a digestible answer: the impression is that it is simply necessary to resist Kiev somehow, but one does not want to take decisive action.

At the same time, a simple and logical question, voiced the other day by ex-rebel Vladlen Tatarsky, remains relevant:

“Yesterday Donetsk hosted a forum on discrimination against Russians with the participation of Moscow journalists. I wish they had a whole pool of it in Alchevsk with Russian people who are not paid a salary. It seems to me that this has a direct bearing on discrimination against Russians. "

Indeed, maybe it would still be worthwhile to first put things in order in the LPR and provide local residents with a dignified existence, and only then develop strategies to save the Russians in Ukraine?

Indeed, did they start from that end?

However, something suggests that the stated strategy is unlikely to be implemented.
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  1. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 27 2021 04: 01
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    I do not see anything wrong with the fact that respected and worthy people came to Donbass and morally supported the people of the unrecognized republics. Sometimes a word of support works much stronger than shoving a sandwich with butter and red caviar into your teeth.
    To raise the economic standard of living in the LPR? Nice statement by the author.
    But I would like to ask: at whose expense will the banquet be?
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 27 2021 11: 19
      +5
      Let them explain this to Oleg Buzin. Well, or at worst, they'll sit in the trenches for a week. Defenders, damn it
  2. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 27 2021 05: 59
    +2
    All this multi-layered talking shop looks like a profanation, or an imitation of activity - nothing more. Although to some, it might seem like a sophisticated mockery.


    Here I agree with Yegor. The Russian Federation could "help" with a sensible "administration". The Russian Federation is full of experienced managers: "cavalrymen" of the medal "For Services to the Fatherland". winked
    It could be easier, at least buy one more time Luhansk macaroni or Donetsk sweets. They are on the shelves of Russian stores.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 27 2021 06: 30
      0
      Five hours talking shop ... About what ?! In the absence of elementary freedoms, confessions, peace.
      It looks like the play of children in an adult family, when they distribute: I am a dad, you are a mother, and these are our children ... Moreover, realizing that adults can stop playing at any moment, or kick in the butt if they play too much.
    2. Cananecat
      Cananecat April 27 2021 10: 43
      +8
      Quote: samarin1969
      It could be easier, at least to buy one more time Luhansk macaroni or Donetsk sweets. They are on the shelves of Russian stores.

      You know what they are. And it would be great if the prices in the stores also stood out, "Made in Novorosia". I think this will really increase the demand for their products several times.
  3. Asad
    Asad April 27 2021 06: 35
    +6
    I wonder how many more years will the water be pounded in the mortar? The young will leave, the old will die out, only drunks and officials will remain! The rulers themselves say that the sanctions are no longer working, admit the republic will have enough to scoff at the people!
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 27 2021 13: 34
      +4
      Quote: ASAD
      I wonder how many more years will the water be pounded in the mortar? The young will leave, the old will die out, only drunks and officials will remain! The rulers themselves say that the sanctions are no longer working, admit the republic will have enough to scoff at the people!

      What you are talking about has come true for a long time. Young, competent and energetic people have already left.
  4. avia12005
    avia12005 April 27 2021 08: 54
    +6
    For the eighth year, questions have been heard that have no answers. Probably, our descendants will wait until they start talking about 30 and then 100 leny "Donbass-Ukrainian war". If only the Russians will still be alive in Donbas by that time.
    1. Plate
      Plate April 27 2021 18: 45
      +3
      And what a good plot for fiction. The Earth is a member of some Council of the Milky Way, actively gaining positions in the galactic arena: in a word, the classic of the genre - a young and strong state pushes the old people apart. Some alien goes on a tour of the Earth, and learns that somewhere there is still a war going on, which seems to be not going on. Hmm ...
  5. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 27 2021 08: 57
    0
    On the one hand, people with bright faces gathered in the DPR and for more than five hours talked about various pleasant things - how they will save Russians in Ukraine, protect them from oppression. And everything is in the same spirit.

    .


    Those. about Russians from all over Ukraine ... don't you have to say anything at all? To be silent?

    Strange position ....
    1. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov April 27 2021 20: 32
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      Those. about Russians from all over Ukraine ... don't you have to say anything at all? To be silent?

      Strange position ....

      Difficulties are everywhere. But, I completely agree with you, why no need to talk about the Russians Ukraine can not understand. VERY similar to farm envy.
  6. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 27 2021 09: 06
    +5
    The issue of recognition and unification of the territories given by the Bolsheviks in the so-called. The Ukrainian republic, to dilute the dark reactionary agrarian population with a progressive proletarian, could only be resolved by a strong-willed decision in 2014-2015, when a wave of referendums swept in these areas on reunification with Russia. But the then leading in the Russian Federation, the allegedly liberal, supposedly elite was afraid of such decisive steps and actually gave the solution to this issue into the hands of the Ukronazis, i.e. betrayed the people of these regions. The roots of today's problems of Novorossiya and Little Russia lie in the indecision of the "elite" ruling in Russia at that time. And only the threat of the seizure of Crimea by the FSA and the decisiveness of the Crimeans forced them to take decisive action on the Crimean referendum. Today the situation is such that only the implementation of Minsk-2 in full and in order, the peaceful return of these territories to Russia is possible. But the West, led by the FSA, is doing everything to prevent this from happening. hi
  7. Boris55
    Boris55 April 27 2021 09: 42
    +1
    Quote: E. Machov
    it would be worthwhile for a start to put things in order in the LPR and provide local residents dignified existence

    "Someone's cabbage soup is liquid, and someone's pearls are too small".
    What is a "dignified existence"? Could you voice his criteria.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 27 2021 14: 37
      +2
      Quote: Boris55
      What "dignified existence"? Could you voice his criteria.

      In Soviet times, they talked about it in the first grade.
      The dignified existence of a citizen foresees, first of all, his residence in a sovereign state, where all the institutions of state power operate and civil rights and freedoms are granted.
      It is worth recalling that this presupposes the absence of hostilities or other mass violence in the country. All signs of genocide of citizens are excluded. They are given the opportunity to have housing and work with sufficient wages for life, the possibility of medical care and education (obtaining a profession). This is how (in short) a decent existence is ensured.
  8. Alexga
    Alexga April 27 2021 10: 07
    +4
    This is more and more like a regular show, so to speak, they had a PPR. In my opinion, everything is one-sided. Why such a flat approach? An ordinary coup took place in Ukraine. Part of the population did not support him and took up arms to protect themselves, their families and their land. And this population is Russians, Ukrainians, Tatars, and Jews. Therefore, we must talk about everyone who is against the current fascist government in Kiev.
  9. Basarev
    Basarev April 27 2021 10: 40
    +5
    And the answer is simple: in fact, the leaders of the republics and their curators do not care about Russians. These are quite satisfied with the current situation, when all the flaws or deliberate steps to worsen the life and impoverishment of the people are very easy to blame on the intrigues of enemies. So for these, the shelling is even beneficial, since it is the most vivid confirmation of their ideological blizzard. And all those who disagree are exiled to the front, let them be killed there. That is, there are no ideological ones in the republics, there are exactly the same businessmen as in Khlamin. And the population does not really believe in the Russian world, there was talk among the locals that they only want harmony, it is not so important under which flag - Russian, Donetsk or Bandera. That is, there is no island of socialism in those parts, headed by desperate patriots. This is another propaganda myth.
  10. Andrey Grad
    Andrey Grad April 27 2021 11: 11
    +3
    As soon as the question of support for RUSSIAN people outside of the Russian Federation is raised, propaganda articles immediately appear advising not to climb, but to CLEAR AT YOURSELF at home to begin with.
    Because the Nazis are afraid of the skui that the Russians will unite there and become a force.
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    1. Kronos
      Kronos April 27 2021 14: 29
      -1
      It's not too late, everyone has long recognized the Ukrainian government.
  12. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 27 2021 12: 43
    -1
    Another idealism not connected with life
  13. Radikal
    Radikal April 27 2021 13: 11
    +8
    Quote: Vlad5307
    The issue of recognition and unification of the territories given by the Bolsheviks in the so-called. The Ukrainian republic, to dilute the dark reactionary agrarian population with a progressive proletarian, could only be resolved by a strong-willed decision in 2014-2015, when a wave of referendums swept in these areas on reunification with Russia. But the then ruling in the Russian Federation, the allegedly liberal, supposedly elite was afraid of such decisive steps and actually gave the solution to this issue into the hands of the Ukronazis, i.e. betrayed the people of these regions. The roots of today's problems of Novorossiya and Little Russia lie in the indecision of the "elite" ruling in Russia at that time.
    While"? sad And how does "that" time differ from "this"? winked Maybe the "elite" has changed in the Russian Federation, or the president? Where, and what are the differences? lol
    1. Antagonist
      Antagonist April 27 2021 15: 26
      +9
      Quote: Radikal
      And how does "that" time differ from "this"?

      what For years? Then was 2014, now 2021 laughing
      Quote: Radikal
      Maybe the "elite" has changed in the Russian Federation, or the president?

      Look what you wanted. Until 2036, we will be ruled by the same people yes Zeroing, you understand however laughing
      Quote: Radikal
      Where, and what are the differences?

      In prices, in the exchange rate and in the increase in the state of the oligarchs against the background of a decline in the standard of living of the people.
  14. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty April 27 2021 15: 54
    +2
    Almost everyone who was fundamentally important was the Russian language, Orthodoxy and self-identification with Russia, left Ukraine long ago.

    Then the author got excited. Not everyone had and still has the opportunity to drop everything and leave for another country.
    For many pro-Russian Ukrainians, this is an unaffordable luxury.
  15. Oleg133
    Oleg133 April 27 2021 17: 52
    -2
    The USSR never defended Russians. And it won't.
    Not for this rose bloomed (s)
  16. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 04: 10
    0
    Quote: Retvizan 8
    I do not see anything wrong with the fact that respected and worthy people came to Donbass and morally supported the people of the unrecognized republics. Sometimes a word of support works much stronger than shoving a sandwich with butter and red caviar into your teeth.
    To raise the economic standard of living in the LPR? Nice statement by the author.
    But I would like to ask: at whose expense will the banquet be?


    It is necessary to raise the level of the LDNR at the expense of the Russian people, not the Chinese and non-Jewish. For in the LDNR live not the Chinese and not the Jews, but the Russians.
  17. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 04: 13
    0
    Quote: Oleg133
    The USSR never defended Russians. And it won't.
    Not for this rose bloomed (s)


    That was under the USSR. And Russia must become a nationalist Russian power. Without discrimination of national minorities, but with an emphasis on Russians. Israel is a good example. Jews are being raised there, but no one in the world says that Israel is not acting patriotic. Can't we be patriots? We need to be patriotic nationalists (but not Nazis). I will not start a discussion about these differences now.
  18. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 04: 14
    0
    Quote: Hlavaty
    Almost everyone who was fundamentally important was the Russian language, Orthodoxy and self-identification with Russia, left Ukraine long ago.

    Then the author got excited. Not everyone had and still has the opportunity to drop everything and leave for another country.
    For many pro-Russian Ukrainians, this is an unaffordable luxury.


    Moreover, this is the reason for Russia's economic support for the LDNR.
  19. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 04: 17
    0
    Quote: Antagonist
    Quote: Radikal
    And how does "that" time differ from "this"?

    what For years? Then was 2014, now 2021 laughing
    Quote: Radikal
    Maybe the "elite" has changed in the Russian Federation, or the president?

    Look what you wanted. Until 2036, we will be ruled by the same people yes Zeroing, you understand however laughing
    Quote: Radikal
    Where, and what are the differences?

    In prices, in the exchange rate and in the increase in the state of the oligarchs against the background of a decline in the standard of living of the people.


    You are not right.
    After 2021, there will be 2022, and then there will be 2222. Will Russia disappear during this time? Unlikely. And since it does not disappear, then Russia will continue to promote its interests. For example now or next year 2022. I am in favor of fanning the flames of a great war in Ukraine and turning western Ukraine into Hamburg or Dresden of 1944 and 1945. Just in case, let me remind you that the Americans did it. This means that we can repeat it (for greater democracy).
  20. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 04: 22
    0
    Quote: Andrew Grad
    As soon as the question of support for RUSSIAN people outside of the Russian Federation is raised, propaganda articles immediately appear advising not to climb, but to CLEAR AT YOURSELF at home to begin with.
    Because the Nazis are afraid of the skui that the Russians will unite there and become a force.


    I agree with you.
    Of course, you need to figure it out inside. For history shows that a united people is a terrible striking force. And a disunited people are easy prey for an external enemy. Therefore, we must first deal with Russia's ill-wishers inside the country.
    An example is the close-knit Mongolia in the 12th century broke dozens, if not hundreds of state formations, which surpassed Mongolia in terms of population, technology, GDP and culture. But before becoming cohesive, Mongolia itself was in disarray. Read the history of Mongolia in the 12th century and see what methods Temuchin used to bring it together. So it is necessary to press the internal enemies in Russia to the nail too. And the fact that now Russia’s GDP is 10 times less than that of the United States - in a clash this will have some role, but nothing more. Once upon a time, both Napoleonic France with its allies and Nazi Germany with conquered Europe also surpassed Russia in GDP 10 times, if not more.
  21. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 04: 24
    0
    Quote: Normal ok
    Quote: ASAD
    I wonder how many more years will the water be pounded in the mortar? The young will leave, the old will die out, only drunks and officials will remain! The rulers themselves say that the sanctions are no longer working, admit the republic will have enough to scoff at the people!

    What you are talking about has come true for a long time. Young, competent and energetic people have already left.


    They left, but not all.
    The rest can help make a difference. Yes, it is also possible to reduce the possibility of leaving the Russian Federation, for example, by limiting the recognition of Russian diplomas abroad (through the abandonment of the Bologna system of university education and through other methods).
  22. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 04: 27
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    Let them explain this to Oleg Buzin. Well, or at worst, they'll sit in the trenches for a week. Defenders, damn it


    There are such people.
    For example, in 1992 I was in Transnistria (not as a tourist). A colleague in the firm was a volunteer in Bosnia. My son-in-law served in Kosovo 6 years later as a member of the Airborne Forces in Pristina.
    Well, there will be an order and control over the execution of the order - so the whole country will stand in line (and those who do not stand up in line - will stand at the wall)
  23. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 04: 36
    0
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Quote: Boris55
    What "dignified existence"? Could you voice his criteria.

    In Soviet times, they talked about it in the first grade.
    The dignified existence of a citizen foresees, first of all, his residence in a sovereign state, where all the institutions of state power operate and civil rights and freedoms are granted.
    It is worth recalling that this presupposes the absence of hostilities or other mass violence in the country. All signs of genocide of citizens are excluded. They are given the opportunity to have housing and work with sufficient wages for life, the possibility of medical care and education (obtaining a profession). This is how (in short) a decent existence is ensured.


    You are not right. Apparently you are blind and do not see how other countries exist and develop, in which there is both an acceptable level of development and high military activity (both internal and external). For example, the USA, Israel, China, France, Saudi. Therefore, Russia can also develop and provide massive violence.
    Or do you think that Russia is worse and that Russia is not allowed? But only Russophobes can think so.
  24. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 April 29 2021 04: 38
    0
    Quote: Basarev
    And the answer is simple: in fact, the leaders of the republics and their curators do not care about Russians. These are quite satisfied with the current situation, when all the flaws or deliberate steps to worsen the life and impoverishment of the people are very easy to blame on the intrigues of enemies. So for these, the shelling is even beneficial, since it is the most vivid confirmation of their ideological blizzard. And all those who disagree are exiled to the front, let them be killed there. That is, there are no ideological ones in the republics, there are exactly the same businessmen as in Khlamin. And the population does not really believe in the Russian world, there was talk among the locals that they only want harmony, it is not so important under which flag - Russian, Donetsk or Bandera. That is, there is no island of socialism in those parts, headed by desperate patriots. This is another propaganda myth.


    Our population will trust the leadership, which will be formidable enough for the population to believe in it. And socialism is stupidity. Here I agree with you.