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"Primarily to combat drones": US deployed short-range air defense systems M-SHORAD in Europe

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For the first time, the United States deployed M-SHORAD short-range air defense systems in Europe. The 5th Battalion of the 4th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Regiment, subordinate to the command of the 10th Army of the US Armed Forces in the German city of Ansbach, was the first to receive these vehicles and will continue testing them.


It is reported by Defense News.

M-SHORAD is a system based on Stryker A1 armored vehicles. She is armed with Raytheon Stinger and Hellfire rocket launchers, as well as 230 mm M30LF cannons with coaxial machine guns.

First of all, M-SHORAD is designed to combat drones. In addition, it is capable of countering aircraft and helicopters. Further modernization will allow these systems to provide protection of units and objects also from missile weapons, artillery and mortars. Also, the US Army has signed a contract with Northrop Grumman and Raytheon to create laser weapons for the M-SHORAD.

The contract for the manufacture of this equipment in the amount of $ 1,2 billion in October 2020 was received by General Dynamics Land Systems. The first battalion of 32 vehicles, which will include prototypes already built, will be presented by September 2021. Starting this year, the US Army will receive a minimum of 144 systems for four battalions.

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  1. tarakan
    tarakan April 24 2021 13: 44
    +1
    I don’t understand why NATO has such a wretched mobile air defense system?
    (STE civil question)
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 24 2021 13: 51
      +8
      Quote: tarakan
      I don’t understand why NATO has such a wretched mobile air defense system?

      They are ruled by the Americans, and their credo is the implementation of military air defense by fighters, another thing is that now this approach is frankly flawed, but it used to be like that.
    2. novel66
      novel66 April 24 2021 13: 51
      +2
      and we have such UAVs
      1. NIKN
        NIKN April 24 2021 14: 02
        +4
        Here are the Americans, they don't think about themselves at all, everyone goes to Europe, everyone goes to Europe ... lol
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 April 24 2021 15: 21
          +3
          Probably, this is all - also against North Korea and Iran, as they usually explain the placement of their ABM line in Europe ??? And we have no idea who all these weapons are against! hi
        2. Cowbra
          Cowbra April 24 2021 18: 45
          0
          Quote: NIKNN
          They don't think about themselves at all, everyone goes to Europe, everyone goes to Europe ...

          Well, the Arabs already had enough of American air defense ... And against drones, and against the CD ... Now you can sit up in Europe too.
          PiSi: if everything goes according to the scenario a la like that of the Saudis, I wonder what will explode first? There is no nuclear power plant in Germany, there is no refinery either ... Karachun Ramsteinu, chtol? lol
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 13: 53
      +21
      They didn't really need clean air defense before. Air superiority gain by default. Now there is a new UAV threat.
      For KMP and light brigades, they are made on the basis of L-ATV and lighter platforms. There is an option on Bradley. Experiencing energy weapons. The main thing in these systems is the Israeli solid-state AFAR radar. It can work on air targets, calculate the positions of mortars, as well as work on ground targets from people to tanks.
      In general, this is not pure air defense, and the weapon can work against ground and air targets. Rather support fighting vehicles.



      1. tarakan
        tarakan April 24 2021 13: 59
        +1
        Thank you for the information, but how much of this technique is needed in the European theater of operations? Separately for UAVs, separately for aircraft, etc.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 14: 23
          +10
          They are versatile. They can work for different purposes.
          It should be understood that Russia has ~ 1 fighters, interceptors, bombers, only the European NATO countries have ~ 100 of them, and separately the USA has 2. By the way, China has 000.
          Systems like IM-SHORAD, in my opinion, should be in every battalion. They work on the ground. Radars including. Accordingly, this increases the overall stability. Accordingly, they should be in the region of 1000 ~ 1500 units.

          By the way, during the Cold War, the US air defense systems were quite developed. Hawks, Hercules, Rolands, Volcanoes, etc. were written off in the 90s, due to the absence of threats. Now they have appeared.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder April 24 2021 14: 55
            +3
            Now, it is possible and of the type: ADATS (s) to revive, with the modularity of their BM in the base, to combat low-speed and low-altitude multiple targets (plus 25 mm. he already had it, in the last century: UR, with PTR and ZR functionality), which is now "lighter" in cost than in the last century, he needs to do it with modernization ....
            laughing yes
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 15: 04
              +2
              If you revive, then it:

              Supersonic surface-to-air / surface missiles. With 900 mm of penetration of homogeneous steel. With tank armor and paired 35 mm autocannons with guided projectiles. This is a wunderwaffe, so a wunderwaffe laughing

              And so they are bringing a universal launcher for various missiles from the Hellfire and AIM-9 to the Iron Dome missiles. Control center from an external radar.
              1. tarakan
                tarakan April 24 2021 15: 14
                -6
                E .... a crew of 28 people and 8 afro? winked or two geeky gamers?
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 15: 25
                  +6
                  Crew of 3 people. Driver mechanic, gunner, commander. This is a real project, if the USSR had not ended, it was brought to a series.



                  ADATS missile characteristics:
                  Missile length: 2,05 m
                  Diameter: 152 mm
                  Missile weight (equipped): 51,3 kg
                  Speed: 3M
                  Firing range (max./min.): 10/1 km
                  Target hitting altitude (max.): 7000 m
                  Warhead Weight: 12,5 kg
                  Warhead type: cumulative fragmentation with shock and non-contact laser fuses
                  Armor penetration: up to 900 mm rolled steel homogeneous armor
                  Targeting: ground targets - by a laser beam, air targets - combined.
          2. tarakan
            tarakan April 24 2021 15: 10
            +4
            Thank you for the detailed explanation, but in my opinion the TOP is the ideal of small air defense laughing(not sarcasm)
          3. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 24 2021 16: 50
            +1
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            They are versatile. They can work for different purposes.

            Neither missiles, I mean something like Hermes, nor planning BPs, "Stingers" can not work, a single-barreled cannon is even less useful, so the versatility is very doubtful. Oh yes, the Hellfires!
    4. xorek
      xorek April 24 2021 13: 56
      -10%
      US first deployed short-range air defense systems in Europe

      They come to us, we come to them .. hi Russia will have to break the red line.
      The audacity is already off scale in the United States and Co.
      Do not forget that we have a military base in Syria .. And your "friends" can be cheered up in different ways .. hi Your Congress may be outraged. smile
    5. figwam
      figwam April 24 2021 14: 19
      +5
      US deployed M-SHORAD short-range air defense systems in Europe

      Apparently a lot of enemy drones are flying over Europe)
    6. Intruder
      Intruder April 24 2021 14: 45
      +3
      why does NATO have such a wretched mobile air defense
      than flawed, for small tactical groups of rangers / sea cats / all kinds of black and water, normal mobile air defense is cheap and cheerful, for more dangerous tactical situations, there are already other types of complexes and methods of counteraction !!!
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 April 24 2021 17: 01
        0
        Hellfire bulged out in a funny way.
        I thought they didn't play so openly anymore.
    7. Maz
      Maz April 24 2021 16: 13
      +2
      The price of each rocket is interesting, especially the Hellfire.
  2. Konstantin Gogolev
    Konstantin Gogolev April 24 2021 13: 47
    +2
    It would be logical to test in the UAE. Where drones inflicted tangible losses on a US ally armed with a "super duper" (at a price) US-made air defense / missile defense system. what
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 24 2021 13: 52
      -4
      and not in Karabakh?
      1. Konstantin Gogolev
        Konstantin Gogolev April 24 2021 14: 07
        +3
        Quote: novel xnumx
        and not in Karabakh?

        What does the United States have to do with Karabakh? Helping the CSTO country? Or do you know something that no one else knows?
    2. xorek
      xorek April 24 2021 13: 58
      -3
      Quote: Konstantin Gogolev
      It would be logical to test in the UAE. Where drones inflicted tangible losses on a US ally armed with a "super duper" (at a price) US-made air defense / missile defense system. what

      Well, it is the Houthis who manage there themselves .. laughing
      There is already something starting again ..
  3. kventinasd
    kventinasd April 24 2021 13: 51
    -2
    An interesting rattle, but Armor and Toram are not even a competitor.
    1. AUL
      AUL April 24 2021 14: 29
      -1
      Quote: kventinasd
      An interesting rattle, but Armor and Toram are not even a competitor.

      Can you provide comparative data on performance characteristics?
      1. lucul
        lucul April 24 2021 15: 15
        +4
        Can you provide comparative data on performance characteristics?

        And what is there to bring? He has Stinger missiles - up to 5 km range, and Carapace missiles up to 20 km.
        IM-shorad is a direct competitor to our Wasp. And here and there 5 km range of missiles. Only if the opponents made fun of the Wasp with might and main, then iM-shorad is extolled to heaven.
      2. Grognag
        Grognag April 24 2021 15: 27
        +2
        And what is there to compare with a shell, there is only one radar, the gun is also one, the missiles, well, I very much doubt the effectiveness of the stinger's work on the UAV, and the number of missiles themselves is 2 times less than that of the shell, plus the helfair itself was not originally developed for air defense, which is not take everything to a minus, so something like that, the price may be less, but knowing our overseas partners, I also doubt very much
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  5. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 24 2021 13: 52
    +2
    And where are the screams "but who needs this rattletrap," Bayraktars "will shoot it in one fell swoop? Or I don’t understand, is it different? laughing
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter April 24 2021 14: 42
      -1
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      And where are the screams "but who needs this rattletrap," Bayraktars "will shoot it in one fell swoop

      We do not have Bayraktars, they are called Orion in export performance ("Paceman" in service with Russia), in terms of range and height, neither a cannon nor a Stinger can reach it.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat April 24 2021 14: 46
        0
        The fact of the matter is that the ardent followers of the "Bayraktar" sect barked loudly, saying that "Pantsir" cannot fight the great Turkish rattlesnakes. And here is the very cradle of de (ry) mocracy, the sacred city on the hill has released some kind of turbidity with characteristics 10-15 times worse than those of the "Shell" and no one blathers that religiously correct bairaktars will trample it.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 14: 57
          +5
          Because the Carapace have (according to the statements of the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation) to fight the Bayraktar, and this IM-SHORAD should not... It's just not built against the MALE class.
          Against the Orions, they still have Aux and Fighters.

          IM-SHORAD in our near-zone air defense classification, not even small. They are against Harop, Harpies, Zala, Orion-10, etc. against low-altitude UAVs.
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat April 24 2021 17: 31
            -1
            And what should this "product" struggle with? With An-2? laughing For more serious targets, this vehicle does not have target designation and guidance systems.
        2. Kaw
          Kaw April 24 2021 14: 59
          -2
          And where did you get the idea that their characteristics are worse? Are they already filled with the same amount of shells?
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 15: 16
            +4
            They are neither better nor worse. Carapace and IM-SHORAD are just different air defense classes. They even serve in different types of troops. Our direct analogue is Tunguska.
            1. lucul
              lucul April 24 2021 15: 27
              -7
              Our direct analogue is Tunguska.

              A direct analogue is Osa, Tunguska has a longer range of missiles.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 15: 52
                +1
                And where is the cannon armament on the Wasp? With what fright does Tunguska have more missile range?

                The affected area for missile armament Tunguska-M1, km:
                in height: 0,015-3,5
                by range: 2,5-10

                9K33M3 "Osa-AKM"
                The affected area in height: from 10 to 5000 m, in range: 1,5 - 10,3 km

                AGM-114R Hellfire II (Hellfire Romeo)
                Target: All targets
                Range: 8000 m (8700 yards)
                Speed: Mach 1.3

                FIM-92E: Stinger — RMP Block I:
                in height: up to 3,8 km
                range: up to 7,6 km
                1. lucul
                  lucul April 24 2021 16: 21
                  -3
                  range: up to 7,6 km

                  Where did the firewood come from?
            2. Kaw
              Kaw April 24 2021 16: 11
              -4
              Tunguska, IMHO this is something antediluvian with a Cassegrain antenna. The same antennas were on Osakh in Karabakh and they did not see Bayraktara and Haropa even at close range. Carapace's radars seem to be modern, but it showed itself poorly in Syria, both against drones and against tactical missiles (such as Delilah). Shell's cannons, apparently, are not intended at all for firing at air targets, judging by the footage from the exercises that hit YouTube. TOR has a limited amount of large, expensive and bulky ammunition that will hardly be able to repel a massive drone attack. Thus, we do not have adequate military air defense systems against small drones, Spike missiles, and loitering ammunition.
              I know, for example, that the Vietnamese solved this problem by installing more modern radars and a computer on Shilka, cheap and cheerful. We don't see any serious attempts to solve this problem at all, apparently another Karabakh should happen, but somewhere closer, for example, in the Donbas or in the Crimea. IMHO
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 16: 22
                +2
                I agree. The current air defense systems are outdated. It is necessary to seriously modernize them, in some cases to create new systems.
                1. Reserve buildbat
                  Reserve buildbat April 24 2021 20: 04
                  +1
                  Here I cannot but agree. Mattresses need to replace ALL air defense systems, since what they have cannot shoot down even a subsonic target of the 1960s model, which flies without opposition and along the simplest trajectory, without anti-missile maneuvers.
                2. CastroRuiz
                  CastroRuiz April 25 2021 18: 04
                  0
                  Derivatsia eats - air defense but without radar and missiles, but eats OLS.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 24 2021 20: 23
      +3
      "And where are the screams" but who needs this rattletrap, "Bayraktars" will shoot it in one fell swoop "?" ///
      -----
      You are correct in this case.
      Bayraktars will shoot this American car calmly
      from a distance out of reach of her missiles.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 24 2021 14: 24
    -7
    All ... they won ... almost ... I think they have already passed the tests, the adoption into service. And the performance characteristics of this ... who saw?
    I looked. "Carapace" is not a competitor. There are practically none in the troops yet. When it will be? Then there will be reviews. Credible.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 14: 43
      +3
      The tests were completed last year. This is a prefabricated hodgepodge of various serial products. Here's a breakdown.

      Cannon with controlled projectile detonation, stinger and helfair. From an interesting radar. Its characteristics:



      Naturally, the Shell is not a competitor, it is a completely different class, they even serve in different types of troops. Our direct analogue is Tunguska.
      The combat module is interesting. You can hang almost anything on it.
      1. Snusmumrik
        Snusmumrik April 26 2021 09: 31
        0
        We were especially interested in the options for detecting Heavy Mortar at 6 km and Big Vessel at 40 km. Oh this google translate ...
  7. Kaw
    Kaw April 24 2021 14: 57
    -1
    We still do not have air defense systems from small inexpensive drones and loitering ammunition. Apparently the generals still consider it all children's toys and science fiction.
    1. lucul
      lucul April 24 2021 15: 28
      0
      We still do not have air defense systems from small inexpensive drones and loitering ammunition.

      Derivation-air defense see.
      1. Kaw
        Kaw April 24 2021 15: 58
        -1
        Derivation has no radars. There you need to look for drones with your eyes to shoot them down, and most likely through the monitor.
        1. lucul
          lucul April 24 2021 16: 27
          +3
          Derivation has no radars. There you need to look for drones with your eyes to shoot them down, and most likely through the monitor.

          There is an OLS, and it works perfectly in automatic mode, there is no need to detect anything with your eyes.)))
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 April 24 2021 14: 57
    +1
    Primarily to combat drones ": the United States deployed short-range air defense systems M-SHORAD in Europe
    ... Drones, this is serious .... the topic will develop in parallel, the means of attack and the means of dealing with them.
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 24 2021 15: 00
    0
    Are you going to butt with the Bayraktars? lol
  10. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock April 24 2021 16: 37
    +1
    The stinger rocket is very expensive, it will come out very expensive with a massive raid.
  11. Prax1
    Prax1 April 24 2021 23: 43
    -3
    A better machine than a shell will be
    1. tarakan
      tarakan April 25 2021 00: 18
      0
      Moron (sori, but diagnosis)
  12. Dikson
    Dikson April 25 2021 09: 46
    0
    By the way, about drones .. - today infa passed that despite the air defense and electronic warfare coverage of the Iranian tanker by the Russian forces, Israel still successfully fired its kamikaze drone into the side of the nalivan ..
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