"Primarily to combat drones": US deployed short-range air defense systems M-SHORAD in Europe

For the first time, the United States deployed M-SHORAD short-range air defense systems in Europe. The 5th Battalion of the 4th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Regiment, subordinate to the command of the 10th Army of the US Armed Forces in the German city of Ansbach, was the first to receive these vehicles and will continue testing them.

It is reported by Defense News.

M-SHORAD is a system based on Stryker A1 armored vehicles. She is armed with Raytheon Stinger and Hellfire rocket launchers, as well as 230 mm M30LF cannons with coaxial machine guns.

First of all, M-SHORAD is designed to combat drones. In addition, it is capable of counteracting aircraft and helicopters. Further modernization will allow these systems to provide protection for units and facilities also from missile weapons, artillery and mortars. Also, the US Army has signed a contract with Northrop Grumman and Raytheon to create laser weapons for the M-SHORAD.

The contract for the manufacture of this equipment in the amount of $ 1,2 billion in October 2020 was received by General Dynamics Land Systems. The first battalion of 32 vehicles, which will include prototypes already built, will be presented by September 2021. Starting this year, the US Army will receive a minimum of 144 systems for four battalions.

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[tarakan]

I don’t understand why NATO has such a wretched mobile air defense system?
(STE civil question)

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: tarakan

I don’t understand why NATO has such a wretched mobile air defense system?

They are ruled by the Americans, and their credo is the implementation of military air defense by fighters, another thing is that now this approach is frankly flawed, but it used to be like that.

[novel66]

and we have such UAVs

[NIKN]

Here are the Americans, they don't think about themselves at all, everyone goes to Europe, everyone goes to Europe ...

[VORON538]

Probably, this is all - also against North Korea and Iran, as they usually explain the placement of their ABM line in Europe ??? And we have no idea who all these weapons are against!

[Cowbra]

Quote: NIKNN

They don't think about themselves at all, everyone goes to Europe, everyone goes to Europe ...

Well, the Arabs already had enough of American air defense ... And against drones, and against the CD ... Now you can sit up in Europe too.
PiSi: if everything goes according to the scenario a la like that of the Saudis, I wonder what will explode first? There is no nuclear power plant in Germany, there is no refinery either ... Karachun Ramsteinu, chtol?

[OgnennyiKotik]

They didn't really need clean air defense before. Air superiority gain by default. Now there is a new UAV threat.
For KMP and light brigades, they are made on the basis of L-ATV and lighter platforms. There is an option on Bradley. Experiencing energy weapons. The main thing in these systems is the Israeli solid-state AFAR radar. It can work on air targets, calculate the positions of mortars, as well as work on ground targets from people to tanks.
In general, this is not pure air defense, and the weapon can work against ground and air targets. Rather support fighting vehicles.

[tarakan]

Thank you for the information, but how much of this technique is needed in the European theater of operations? Separately for UAVs, separately for aircraft, etc.

[OgnennyiKotik]

They are versatile. They can work for different purposes.
It should be understood that Russia has ~ 1 fighters, interceptors, bombers, only the European NATO countries have ~ 100 of them, and separately the USA has 2. By the way, China has 000.
Systems like IM-SHORAD, in my opinion, should be in every battalion. They work on the ground. Radars including. Accordingly, this increases the overall stability. Accordingly, they should be in the region of 1000 ~ 1500 units.

By the way, during the Cold War, the US air defense systems were quite developed. Hawks, Hercules, Rolands, Volcanoes, etc. were written off in the 90s, due to the absence of threats. Now they have appeared.

[tarakan]

Thank you for the detailed explanation, but in my opinion the TOP is the ideal of small air defense (not sarcasm)

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

They are versatile. They can work for different purposes.

Neither missiles, I mean something like Hermes, nor planning BPs, "Stingers" can not work, a single-barreled cannon is even less useful, so the versatility is very doubtful. Oh yes, the Hellfires!

[xorek]

US first deployed short-range air defense systems in Europe

They come to us, we come to them .. Russia will have to break the red line.
The audacity is already off scale in the United States and Co.
Do not forget that we have a military base in Syria .. And your "friends" can be cheered up in different ways .. Your Congress may be outraged.

[figwam]

US deployed M-SHORAD short-range air defense systems in Europe

Apparently a lot of enemy drones are flying over Europe)

[Maz]

The price of each rocket is interesting, especially the Hellfire.

[Konstantin Gogolev]

It would be logical to test in the UAE. Where drones inflicted tangible losses on a US ally armed with a "super duper" (at a price) US-made air defense / missile defense system.

[novel66]

and not in Karabakh?

[Konstantin Gogolev]

Quote: novel xnumx

and not in Karabakh?

What does the United States have to do with Karabakh? Helping the CSTO country? Or do you know something that no one else knows?

[xorek]

Quote: Konstantin Gogolev

It would be logical to test in the UAE. Where drones inflicted tangible losses on a US ally armed with a "super duper" (at a price) US-made air defense / missile defense system.

Well, it is the Houthis who manage there themselves ..
There is already something starting again ..

[kventinasd]

An interesting rattle, but Armor and Toram are not even a competitor.

[AUL]

Quote: kventinasd

An interesting rattle, but Armor and Toram are not even a competitor.

Can you provide comparative data on performance characteristics?

[lucul]

Can you provide comparative data on performance characteristics?

And what is there to bring? He has Stinger missiles - up to 5 km range, and Carapace missiles up to 20 km.
IM-shorad is a direct competitor to our Wasp. And here and there 5 km range of missiles. Only if the opponents made fun of the Wasp with might and main, then iM-shorad is extolled to heaven.

[Grognag]

And what is there to compare with a shell, there is only one radar, the gun is also one, the missiles, well, I very much doubt the effectiveness of the stinger's work on the UAV, and the number of missiles themselves is 2 times less than that of the shell, plus the helfair itself was not originally developed for air defense, which is not take everything to a minus, so something like that, the price may be less, but knowing our overseas partners, I also doubt very much

[Reserve buildbat]

And where are the screams "but who needs this rattletrap," Bayraktars "will shoot it in one fell swoop? Or I don’t understand, is it different?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Stroibat stock

And where are the screams "but who needs this rattletrap," Bayraktars "will shoot it in one fell swoop

We do not have Bayraktars, they are called Orion in export performance ("Paceman" in service with Russia), in terms of range and height, neither a cannon nor a Stinger can reach it.

[Reserve buildbat]

The fact of the matter is that the ardent followers of the "Bayraktar" sect barked loudly, saying that "Pantsir" cannot fight the great Turkish rattlesnakes. And here is the very cradle of de (ry) mocracy, the sacred city on the hill has released some kind of turbidity with characteristics 10-15 times worse than those of the "Shell" and no one blathers that religiously correct bairaktars will trample it.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Because the Carapace have (according to the statements of the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation) to fight the Bayraktar, and this IM-SHORAD should not... It's just not built against the MALE class.
Against the Orions, they still have Aux and Fighters.

IM-SHORAD in our near-zone air defense classification, not even small. They are against Harop, Harpies, Zala, Orion-10, etc. against low-altitude UAVs.

[Reserve buildbat]

And what should this "product" struggle with? With An-2? For more serious targets, this vehicle does not have target designation and guidance systems.

[Kaw]

And where did you get the idea that their characteristics are worse? Are they already filled with the same amount of shells?

[OgnennyiKotik]

They are neither better nor worse. Carapace and IM-SHORAD are just different air defense classes. They even serve in different types of troops. Our direct analogue is Tunguska.

[lucul]

Our direct analogue is Tunguska.

A direct analogue is Osa, Tunguska has a longer range of missiles.

[OgnennyiKotik]

And where is the cannon armament on the Wasp? With what fright does Tunguska have more missile range?

The affected area for missile armament Tunguska-M1, km:
in height: 0,015-3,5
by range: 2,5-10

9K33M3 "Osa-AKM"
The affected area in height: from 10 to 5000 m, in range: 1,5 - 10,3 km

AGM-114R Hellfire II (Hellfire Romeo)
Target: All targets
Range: 8000 m (8700 yards)
Speed: Mach 1.3

FIM-92E: Stinger — RMP Block I:
in height: up to 3,8 km
range: up to 7,6 km

[lucul]

range: up to 7,6 km

Where did the firewood come from?

[Kaw]

Tunguska, IMHO this is something antediluvian with a Cassegrain antenna. The same antennas were on Osakh in Karabakh and they did not see Bayraktara and Haropa even at close range. Carapace's radars seem to be modern, but it showed itself poorly in Syria, both against drones and against tactical missiles (such as Delilah). Shell's cannons, apparently, are not intended at all for firing at air targets, judging by the footage from the exercises that hit YouTube. TOR has a limited amount of large, expensive and bulky ammunition that will hardly be able to repel a massive drone attack. Thus, we do not have adequate military air defense systems against small drones, Spike missiles, and loitering ammunition.
I know, for example, that the Vietnamese solved this problem by installing more modern radars and a computer on Shilka, cheap and cheerful. We don't see any serious attempts to solve this problem at all, apparently another Karabakh should happen, but somewhere closer, for example, in the Donbas or in the Crimea. IMHO

[OgnennyiKotik]

I agree. The current air defense systems are outdated. It is necessary to seriously modernize them, in some cases to create new systems.

[Reserve buildbat]

Here I cannot but agree. Mattresses need to replace ALL air defense systems, since what they have cannot shoot down even a subsonic target of the 1960s model, which flies without opposition and along the simplest trajectory, without anti-missile maneuvers.

[Castro Ruiz]

Derivatsia eats - air defense but without radar and missiles, but eats OLS.

[voyaka uh]

"And where are the screams" but who needs this rattletrap, "Bayraktars" will shoot it in one fell swoop "?" ///
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You are correct in this case.
Bayraktars will shoot this American car calmly
from a distance out of reach of her missiles.

[Mountain shooter]

All ... they won ... almost ... I think they have already passed the tests, the adoption into service. And the performance characteristics of this ... who saw?
I looked. "Carapace" is not a competitor. There are practically none in the troops yet. When it will be? Then there will be reviews. Credible.

[OgnennyiKotik]

The tests were completed last year. This is a prefabricated hodgepodge of various serial products. Here's a breakdown.

Cannon with controlled projectile detonation, stinger and helfair. From an interesting radar. Its characteristics:

Naturally, the Shell is not a competitor, it is a completely different class, they even serve in different types of troops. Our direct analogue is Tunguska.
The combat module is interesting. You can hang almost anything on it.

[Snusmumrik]

We were especially interested in the options for detecting Heavy Mortar at 6 km and Big Vessel at 40 km. Oh this google translate ...

[Kaw]

We still do not have air defense systems from small inexpensive drones and loitering ammunition. Apparently the generals still consider it all children's toys and science fiction.

[lucul]

We still do not have air defense systems from small inexpensive drones and loitering ammunition.

Derivation-air defense see.

[Kaw]

Derivation has no radars. There you need to look for drones with your eyes to shoot them down, and most likely through the monitor.

[lucul]

Derivation has no radars. There you need to look for drones with your eyes to shoot them down, and most likely through the monitor.

There is an OLS, and it works perfectly in automatic mode, there is no need to detect anything with your eyes.)))

[rocket757]

Primarily to combat drones ": the United States deployed short-range air defense systems M-SHORAD in Europe

... Drones, this is serious .... the topic will develop in parallel, the means of attack and the means of dealing with them.

[Ros 56]

Are you going to butt with the Bayraktars?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

The stinger rocket is very expensive, it will come out very expensive with a massive raid.

[Prax1]

A better machine than a shell will be

[tarakan]

Moron (sori, but diagnosis)

[Dikson]

By the way, about drones .. - today infa passed that despite the air defense and electronic warfare coverage of the Iranian tanker by the Russian forces, Israel still successfully fired its kamikaze drone into the side of the nalivan ..