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In the USA: Turkey's exclusion from the F-35 program will make these fighters even more expensive

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The cost of engines for F-35 aircraft will rise by at least three percent due to the replacement of Turkish-made parts with components from other manufacturers. Thus, the exclusion of Turkey from the F-35 program will make these fighters even more expensive. Recall that the other day the United States confirmed the fact of the final exclusion of Ankara from the aforementioned program to create a new generation fighter.


According to the American edition of Defense News, this was stated by the head of the military engines division of Pratt & Whitney, Matthew Bromberg, during a hearing in the Committee on the Armed Forces of the House of Representatives of the US Congress.

According to him, the design of the F135 engine produced by the company, which is installed on all three variants of the Lockheed Martin F-35 joint strike fighter, initially included 188 parts produced by Turkish enterprises.

These are some of the most important parts of the engine and the Turkish parts were high quality and inexpensive.

- he said.

Bromberg said 75 percent of these could already be sourced from other manufacturers, most of which are in the United States. Pratt & Whitney expects the remaining 25 percent of Turkish production parts to be replaced by the end of 2021.


According to the head of the Lockheed Martin aeronautics programs Greg Ulmer, the Pentagon had previously hoped to withdraw all Turkish suppliers from the program by 2020, but it turned out that it would be necessary to wait until 2022 until the contracts with them expire.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 24 2021 10: 23
    +6
    Having lost their head, they don't cry over their hat.
    I think potential buyers will sigh and ... pay.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 24 2021 10: 28
      +10
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I think potential buyers will sigh and ... pay.

      Well, do not we care how much it costs and where does he patrol ??, generally on the drum .... you have to do your own like pies, and develop the economy. to leave brains in the country not with bans, but with gingerbread)) !!
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha April 24 2021 10: 34
        +6
        And they don't even remember the money invested by Turkey. Not well, what, your people, because of little things then laughing
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr April 24 2021 14: 45
          0
          Quote: Mitroha
          And they don't even remember the money invested by Turkey. Not well, what, your people, because of little things then

          They can sell equipment together with technologies to ours. I think the money invested by the Turks will pay off.
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee April 24 2021 10: 35
        +7
        exclusion of Turkey from the F-35 program
        "If the bride leaves for another, it is not known who is lucky"! crying
        1. spech
          spech April 26 2021 10: 55
          +1
          "If the bride leaves for another, it is not known who is lucky"!

          -I was left with a nose, and my friend without a nose. The topic of the lecture is "syphilis and its consequences".
    2. NIKN
      NIKN April 24 2021 10: 37
      +2
      The Pentagon had hoped to remove all Turkish suppliers from the program by 2020, but it turned out that it would have to wait until 2022. until their contracts expire.
      So it's just that the contracts won't be renewed. During this time, the production can be loaded. It is not known how long they are going to release this "penguin". Maybe by the 22nd year they decided to stop the release, and the Turks are not needed anyway, but the waves just drove in the right direction.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 24 2021 10: 42
        +2
        More than 3000 aircraft are planned to be produced, 700 were produced.
        They mold 14-16 a month without interruption.
        More and more clients every year.
        New countries.
        1. pytar
          pytar April 24 2021 11: 00
          0
          The plane is good, in demand, customers wait in line and buy. Of course the F35 is not without defects, but which car does not have them? hi
          1. spirit
            spirit April 24 2021 11: 56
            +1
            Not for those cars whose defects are not voiced), here the Chinese and the Su 57 are doing well hi
            1. pytar
              pytar April 24 2021 16: 10
              -1
              Not for those cars whose defects are not voiced), here the Chinese and the Su 57 are doing well

              Of course it is! bully In this regard, the American program for the creation, production and operation of the F35 is much more open, public. This is inherently pragmatic, as the American shows potential buyers that they are working to fix the problem. When the buyer is aware of flaws and defects, he is more inclined to trust the seller. And when the manufacturer is silent and only praises his product, it is alarming ... it cannot be so! request
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 April 24 2021 16: 26
              0
              And Ukraine does not complain about any defects. wink
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal April 24 2021 18: 01
                +1
                Belarus too. Because it does not purchase or operate these aircraft request
            3. koramax81
              koramax81 April 27 2021 21: 07
              0
              But the plane has been produced for more than one year, and the jambs are not decreasing.
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 April 24 2021 17: 52
            +2
            Quote: pytar
            customers wait in line and buy.

            Those clients who were put in this queue. Where can they go? request Boyan hi
        2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich April 24 2021 11: 30
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          More and more clients every year.

          Tell me, is it because this aircraft is the best in its class, or is it because it is the only one in its class?
          What alternative suggestions are there?
          Do you still have offers of aircraft with similar characteristics on the market?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 24 2021 11: 40
            +2
            F-35 is able to do some things that are incapable
            execute other fighter-bombers.
            He has a very versatile radar. Capable
            perform exploration of the earth's surface by scanning objects
            and highlighting immediately (and automatically - PO) possible targets.
            At the same time, avionics allows you to instantly target them
            and fire a shot. For one flight over the territory.
            This combination of reconnaissance and percussion functions is still unique.
            1. xorek
              xorek April 24 2021 11: 51
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              F-35 is able to do some things that are incapable
              execute other fighter-bombers.
              He has a very versatile radar. Capable
              perform exploration of the earth's surface by scanning objects
              and highlighting immediately (and automatically - PO) possible targets.
              At the same time, avionics allows you to instantly target them
              and fire a shot. For one flight over the territory.
              This combination of reconnaissance and percussion functions is still unique.

              Direct advertising ... How much does the sergeant of the TsKHAL Mossad pay you for such information here? You already look and have stopped communicating, but how does the radio work here praising Jewish power and weapons? I've been watching you for a long time hi
              Quote: voyaka uh
              More than 3000 aircraft are planned to be produced, 700 were produced.
              They mold 14-16 a month without interruption.
              More and more clients every year.
              New countries.

              This is generally incomparable .. laughing Exactly a dealer!
              PS Judging by the shoulder straps and ratings, members of the forum from Israel are striving for power here .. Soon they will start advertising matzo here))))
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal April 24 2021 18: 03
                -3
                So about the plans and the amount produced per month - is this a fiction?
                Do you think so?
              2. Crabong
                Crabong April 26 2021 07: 21
                0
                What is wrong with you?
            2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich April 24 2021 11: 56
              0
              Did I ask you what the F-35 can do?
              Please reread my questions and answer them exactly.
              I will even repeat them so that you do not get confused anymore
              1. There are more and more customers every year because this aircraft is the best in its class, or is it because it is the only one in its class?
              2. What are the alternative proposals?
              3. Do you still have offers of aircraft with similar characteristics on the market?
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 24 2021 12: 05
                -1
                smile You asked, I quote:
                "Do you still have offers of aircraft with similar characteristics on the market?"

                In response, I gave you one of the characteristics of the F-35, which today
                unique.
                That is, the answer is: "No. There are no offers on the market by aircraft with similar
                characteristics ".

                I'm not talking about the F-35B version. There is no analogue of this vertical aircraft on the market.
                Everyone who builds light aircraft carriers (or removes the UDC) orders it.
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich April 24 2021 12: 11
                  +5
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  I'm not talking about the F-35B version. There is no analogue of this vertical aircraft on the market.
                  Everyone who builds light aircraft carriers (or removes the UDC) orders it.

                  So, after all, every year there are more and more clients not because this plane is so beautiful (how many shortcomings did it have there?), But because there is nothing else.
                  Do you want a fifth generation? Buy F-35. And it's all. In such a fierce competition with other applicants, I won that it takes my breath away! But wait ... There are no others.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh April 24 2021 12: 37
                    +1
                    "Do you want the fifth generation? Buy the F-35. And ... that's all" ///
                    ----
                    Quite right. You formulated very precisely
                    current position in the combat aviation market good
                    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                      Sidor Amenpodestovich April 24 2021 12: 53
                      +6
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      Quite right. You formulated very accurately
                      current position in the combat aviation market

                      This is what I was trying to convey to you. There is no point in singing the praises of the F-35, since it is the only representative of its class available to NATO countries, so for them it cannot be good or bad, it is alone, as it is. With all the advantages and disadvantages. There is no other and will not be in the foreseeable future. This is the only reason why the queue is being built, and not for any other reason.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh April 24 2021 13: 25
                        -2
                        "There is no point in singing the praises of the F-35" ///
                        ----
                        I agree. He has established himself in the market.
                        Do you want the 5th - F-35. If you want the 4th - a wide choice ... smile
                      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich April 24 2021 14: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        He has established himself in the market.

                        Yes, he did not assert himself in the market, since he is the market.
                        Here you come to a store, and there is only one product for sale. If where this product has established itself, then only in this store.
                        The same with the F-35. The fifth generation fighter store sells only one product - this very F-35.
                      3. pytar
                        pytar April 24 2021 16: 07
                        -3
                        Yes, he did not assert himself in the market, since he is the market. Here you come to a store, and there is only one product for sale. If where this product has established itself, then only in this store. The same with the F-35. The fifth generation fighter store sells only one product - this very F-35.

                        I apologize for interfering in your dialogue with Alexei. He seemed interesting to me! good But in your last reasoning, it seems to me, you are making a mistake! Conditionally the 5th generation, in theory, has higher complex characteristics than the 4th, as well as the 4th than the 3rd. It is the same with the F35 as with the Russian Su-57. Of course, there is a controversy whether this product / Lighting / is really superior to the previous generation, but the controversy is normal when the designer takes a step ahead. You are probably sure that the Su-57 is superior to the previous models! And the market is the market, where the new 5th generation competes with the 4th, and so it will be until it completely replaces it. This process will be long, airplanes are very expensive equipment, but one way or another, progress and technologies do not sit in one place. The F35 is ahead of the others, but they are coming soon. In the store, you buy the latest TVs, smartphones, etc. if you can afford them, despite the fact that the previous models are still on sale! Okay, huh? hi
                      4. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh April 24 2021 16: 14
                        -1
                        "Here you come to the store, and there is only one product for sale" ///
                        ----
                        You twist wink
                        Correct example:

                        You came to a store, and there is only one MODERN product (F-35) for sale.

                        And a few OBSERVED or OBSERVED products (Typhoon, F-16, Rafal).

                        What to choose: new or old proven?
                      5. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich April 24 2021 18: 36
                        -2
                        You say: "The F-35 is a very good aircraft, as 700 units have been produced, 3000 are planned and there is a queue of buyers."
                        And I say: "700 pieces have been produced, 3000 are planned and a line of buyers lined up, not because it is very good, but because there is no other similar offer for NATO countries on the market."
                        The only proposal will be the best, since it is the only one.
              2. Wolf
                Wolf April 24 2021 18: 24
                +1
                There is no market here
            3. 3danimal
              3danimal April 24 2021 18: 07
              -4
              So the fifth generation assumes the cumulative superiority of characteristics.
          2. xorek
            xorek April 24 2021 12: 24
            -1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            To you one of the characteristics of the F-35, which today
            unique.
            That is, the answer is: "No. There are no offers on the market by aircraft with similar
            characteristics ".

            I'm not talking about the F-35B version. There is no analogue of this vertical aircraft on the market.
            Everyone who builds light aircraft carriers (or removes the UDC) orders it.

            So advertises, it takes your breath away! Hindus probably also read this on their forums laughing
            And I also think that he is so quiet and sometimes breaks through it ..
            I used to wear turtles with a professor .. negative
            And now "dear forumchanin" Eh times, eh people ..
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter April 24 2021 12: 28
              0
              I used to walk in turtles with a professor
              Unlike some smile it is not drove with wet rags banned several times.
              1. xorek
                xorek April 24 2021 13: 32
                -3
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                I used to walk in turtles with a professor
                Unlike some smile it is not drove with wet rags banned several times.

                Well, that's right, the owner was also a Consultant and his initiative was to remove the minuses and flags .. The minuses were returned, because there was a huge indignation .. But the flags did not appear))))
                Everything is tricky and judging by their rating. They are gaining momentum here
                Those who knew them, there were very few of them left. The cleanup was powerful ..
                So Alex, what you don't know, you better keep your mouth shut ..
                Or are you one of these? wink
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter April 24 2021 13: 37
                  0
                  Or are you one of these?
                  Anglo-Saxons and their Baltic hirelings stand like a mountain yes for agents of world Zionism on VO wassat Whose Michan Starfire are you?
                  Alex, what you don't know, you better keep your mouth shut
                  Well, it's useless to ask you to keep quiet (even admins can't) but what do you know?
            2. 3danimal
              3danimal April 24 2021 18: 09
              -4
              So there is an analogue of the F-35B? The Japanese are buying them for a new destroyer-helicopter carrier. And without building a large AB, they get carrier-based aircraft.
          3. koramax81
            koramax81 April 27 2021 21: 10
            -1
            I wonder if the F-35 is so beautiful, then why do the Americans want to put the F-15 back into production?
        3. Wolf
          Wolf April 24 2021 18: 23
          0
          There is no market here.
      2. Wolf
        Wolf April 24 2021 18: 21
        -2
        Voyaka Evil Brity refused to buy 90 pieces, probably Koroleva doesn't have enough money? wink
        The rest of the bistrie will receive its own.
        If I was buying a fighter jet bomber, I would buy a SU 30 CM2 and for all the dengue. F35 only with the eyes of the rich states and with a strong air force at a high level, and in war only with a country that has a lot of strength in the air, only then can it show all the possibilities and will not be a prisoner for predators.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 24 2021 22: 03
          -6
          Su-30 are not suitable for basing on Her Majesty's AV, do not have AFAR, do not belong to the 5th generation.
          Then Rafal-M.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 22: 24
            -4
            The F-35 does them all. Version B is ideal for current ABs, except for Nimitz and Ford. At sea, only the Rafale + E-35 combination can compete with the F-2В / С.
  2. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan April 24 2021 13: 15
    +5
    Quote: voyaka uh
    More and more clients every year.

    are you talking about the Poles and the Balts? wassat Well, that is a given! clients!
    1. xorek
      xorek April 24 2021 13: 36
      -3
      Quote: SanichSan
      Quote: voyaka uh
      More and more clients every year.

      are you talking about the Poles and the Balts? wassat Well, that is a given! clients!

      Yes, and sang along a lot on the forum .. bully
      Serve them for serious ..
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan April 24 2021 13: 42
        +3
        Quote: xorek
        Yes, and sang along a lot on the forum ..

        they are mostly from Israel ... it all resembles an attraction "an incredible sight!" based on the fact that a person who has thrown money into fierce crap will praise this crap so that others will also get fucked up and he was not the only one like that wink
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich April 24 2021 16: 15
          0
          You see, Israel cannot be wrong.
          Once you make a mistake with the choice of strategic weapons and the Arabs with Persians from all sides will run in. Overwhelmed and gnawed.

          I'm not a specialist in f35 in any way, but I suspect that Israel takes it not because of beautiful eyes.

          And if he has serious problems, they will finish the files and make candy.
          Various upgrades have already been made.
          Starting with the American Shermans.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan April 24 2021 16: 23
            +3
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            I am not a specialist in f35 in any way, but I suspect that Israel doesn’t care because of beautiful eyes.

            certainly not for beautiful eyes! against the Arabs, its capabilities are quite impressive. after all, this is an aircraft of the beginning of this century, and the air defense of the Arabs at the end of the past, both structurally and physically. also let's not forget that this is a large commercial project ... and so that the Jews do not fit into it and do not get a gesheft?!? belay wassat
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            And if he has serious problems, they will finish the files and make candy.

            By the way, this is what they are doing. they were supplied with the F-35 with an open architecture.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal April 24 2021 17: 42
      -4
      This is an excellent acquisition, especially for countries that will never be able to produce such aircraft themselves (objectively).
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal April 24 2021 22: 09
      -4
      USA, UK, Australia, Israel, Japan, Netherlands, Italy, Norway.
      Other members of the British Commonwealth may join.
  • 3danimal
    3danimal April 24 2021 17: 38
    -3
    The penguin is only outwardly.
    This has nothing to do with maneuverability. We look:
    https://youtu.be/MJLoW1ClNE0

    135 'in 3 seconds (Su-27 / Su-30 without OVT makes 108' in the same time).
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot April 24 2021 10: 49
    +5
    This is understandable and predictable. But should we be in sorrow?

    This fact once again shows that US military-technical cooperation is based on the requirements of political loyalty and economic subordination. That is, buyers are forced to act on orders and pay what they say ...

    Unlike Russia, where each state (well, there are restrictions, of course - on the range of products and not outright enemies) can acquire weapons without additional obligations of the "unwritten moral code of the builders of democracy" ...
    And this contrast plays into our hands in reputation. This policy builds trust.
    Even China is using its shipments to drag customers into economic bondage, which not all buyers like.
    1. RealPilot
      RealPilot April 24 2021 10: 52
      +1
      And the Turks did not completely lose.

      They received a number of important technologies, updated the industry for this production.
      And they were also saved from spending billions of dollars on the planes themselves ...

      So "lady with a cart - pony happy" ...
    2. Overlock
      Overlock April 24 2021 11: 14
      +10
      Quote: RealPilot
      US military-technical cooperation is based on demands of political loyalty and economic submission

      In fact, any military-technical cooperation has such goals.
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal April 24 2021 17: 48
      -4
      unlike Russia, where each state (well, there are restrictions, of course - on the range of products and not outright enemies) can acquire weapons without additional obligations

      Georgia?
  • Kaman
    Kaman April 25 2021 08: 54
    -1
    For the sake of the Turkish sultan not having 5th generation fighters, it is not a pity to pay extra 3%
  • Pereira
    Pereira April 24 2021 10: 25
    +6
    Allies will buy. Will not go anywhere.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 24 2021 10: 27
    +9
    Turkey's exclusion from the F-35 program will make these fighters even more expensive
    This is what I understand - capitalism in all its glory. "Ally" is kicked out of the program for not buying American air defense systems, as it is also reported that the plane will become more expensive because of this. How do I understand a dissatisfied buyer should make a claim to Turkey?
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 24 2021 11: 15
      +12
      Quote: rotmistr60
      How do I understand a dissatisfied buyer should make a claim to Turkey?

      He can present, but it is unlikely to receive compensation.
  • Mouse
    Mouse April 24 2021 10: 29
    +10
    Panikovsky will sell you all, buy and sell again ... but at a higher price ... wink
  • Alex_You
    Alex_You April 24 2021 10: 29
    +1
    I wonder what the Turks were doing there?
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter April 24 2021 10: 35
      0
      Quote: Alex_You
      I wonder what the Turks were doing there?

      This is for Petrov ... and Bashirov! laughing
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 10: 54
      +4
      In fact, a lot of things. Replacing them is not easy. They will quietly renew contracts, no one needs an increase in prices for the F-35. There are also plans to upgrade, which in itself will raise the cost of fighters.





      1. Emil Azeri
        Emil Azeri April 24 2021 11: 05
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        In fact, a lot of things. Replacing them is not easy. They will quietly renew contracts, no one needs an increase in prices for the F-35. There are also plans to upgrade, which in itself will raise the cost of fighters.






        Yes, no one excluded Turkey from the F35 program. Just multi-step NATO games to get the S-400 and SU-57 in the future. Multi-turn and gracefully executed game while you play. Sorry to be rude, but it's true.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 24 2021 11: 17
          +14
          Quote: Emil Azeri
          Just multi-step NATO games to get the S-400 and SU-57 in the future. Multi-turn and exquisitely executed game

          I think you are right. Multi-pass ...
          1. Asad
            Asad April 24 2021 11: 47
            +4
            He also expressed such an idea, they laughed at me. Let's wait and see who is right.
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  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 24 2021 10: 54
    +6
    Of course the F-35 is both lousy and expensive ...
    But that's bad luck - 625 units have already become winged in eight armies of the world, these fighters are deployed at 26 bases, aircraft carriers and UDC. More than 1200 pilots have been trained in piloting, over 10 personnel have been trained. The total flight time exceeded 000 hours. Childhood illnesses are identified and gradually treated. Without Turkish pomies ... details, apparently, will do. So, not everything is as bad as they are trying to present to us here on the pages of VO.
    Of course, it would be nice to entertain the hearts of the local community with stories about the best fighter of all times and peoples, the Su-57, but something has already been four months, after the release one single serial unit, no guogu about him. Or am I missing something? hi
    1. xorek
      xorek April 24 2021 11: 14
      -2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      But that's bad luck - 625 units have already become winged in eight armies of the world, these fighters are deployed at 26 bases, aircraft carriers and UDC. More than 1200 pilots have been trained in piloting, over 10 personnel have been trained. The total flight time exceeded 000

      And against whom is this armada trained? Do not be shy about Privalov!
      Your Israel is heavily advertising these fighters, maybe you want to check them in Syria? Well try .. Remember how our Mig flew over your Tel Aviv with a crash and your air defense was powerless .. It's me at the expense of our Su-57! Do you want it to happen again?
      1. TARS_117
        TARS_117 April 24 2021 11: 40
        -4
        Well, repeat what is the problem? Afraid?
      2. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov April 24 2021 11: 49
        0
        Quote: xorek
        And against whom is this armada trained? Do not be shy about Privalov!
        Your Israel is heavily advertising these fighters, maybe you want to check them in Syria? Well try .. Remember how our Mig flew over your Tel Aviv with a crash and your air defense was powerless .. It's me at the expense of our Su-57! Do you want it to happen again?

        Why be ashamed of it? Armaments are sharpened in everything on the alleged enemy, which the United States considers for itself the Russian Federation.
        F-35s in Syria have been run in and tested. What more could you want?
        Wake up, my dear, Israel is 73 years old (it's like for the USSR in 1990. Another year, and the USSR will disintegrate completely.), This is a quite prosperous state that has turned the desert into a garden of paradise, with a long life expectancy, with a strong army, excellent medicine, powerful high-tech and military industry, with $ 100 billion in exports.

        As for the Mig-s, then you, my dear, can only hum a song to the tune of "Katyusha" beginning with the words:
        Our Mig flew over Tel Aviv,
        Years already, like fifty ago ...

        There will be no "repetitions", do not flatter yourself and do not build vain hopes.
        With you, as in an old joke:
        I wanted to fall and push up, but it only happened to bend down and quietly ruin the air ...
        wassat

        In a word, until they show how new Su-57s are rolled out of the gates of the plant, we admire the production of the F-35. hi
      3. 3danimal
        3danimal April 24 2021 22: 12
        0
        MiG-25?
        So it belonged to another country, superpower # 2, 2 of the world's economy.
        Now the Israeli air defense is very different.
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan April 24 2021 13: 35
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      But that's bad luck - 625 units have already become winged in eight armies of the world, these fighters are deployed at 26 bases, aircraft carriers and UDC. More than 1200 pilots have been trained in piloting, over 10 personnel have been trained. The total flight time exceeded 000 hours. Childhood illnesses are identified and gradually treated. Without Turkish pomies ... details, apparently, will do. So, not everything is as bad as they are trying to present to us here on the pages of VO.

      what's new? all this has already been seen in the history of the AR-15, and how a crude imperfection is taken into service thanks to lobbyists, and how everyone who needs it and everyone who needs it is taken in by the fact that there are no options ... but so yes! effective managers grow! the plane will be steeper than the rifle.
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Of course, it would be nice to entertain the hearts of the local community with stories about the best fighter of all times and peoples, the Su-57, but something has already been four months, after the release of one single serial unit, there is not a gogo about it. Or am I missing something?

      maybe we are not in a hurry just because all these stealth games have so-so exhaust? not? can't this be? belay is the idea of ​​stealth sacred, and if you doubt, will your brethren burn you? laughing
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 24 2021 11: 06
    +2
    An Italian wishing to vaccinate with Sputnik 5 for free can land his F 35 on the airdrome next to the island! drinks
  • xorek
    xorek April 24 2021 11: 07
    -6
    And all the same, the sale of the S-400 complexes to Turkey was a multi-move of Russia.!
    The Turks tested them and were shocked .. F-35 is not so invulnerable and such a price is too high bully The United States is torn and dreamed about who to shake off, at least half the cost of the project to recapture .. wassat Japan and South Korea will be forced into action .. Israel also took part in this project (installed software there) and received a dozen of these birds for free ... But they are afraid to let them into battle ... And if they get shot down?
    1. spirit
      spirit April 24 2021 12: 06
      -1
      The Turks were so shocked !! that until recently they were asked not to exclude them from the program and sell 35th. That's what I understand American capitalists know how to snatch Omno) have already excluded the Turks and the Ban on the purchase! and they SELL) you them at the door they are at the window laughing
  • Gar
    Gar April 24 2021 11: 15
    +2
    We are somehow purple, the more expensive, the better.
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich April 24 2021 11: 26
    +1
    In the USA: Turkey's exclusion from the F-35 program will make these fighters even more expensive

    From the movie "Man from Boulevard des Capucines":
    - This is serious, Harry! It's eighty dollars!
    - How eighty? It cost fifty yesterday.
    - Inflation!
    This is the neo-colonial policy of the United States. There are no allies, there are only tributaries.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 25 2021 07: 18
    +1
    Don't give a damn. We do not buy this advertised bandura. Let the tobacco have a headache. laughing
  • Synoid
    Synoid April 25 2021 08: 19
    -2
    Our good fellows - divide and rule.