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This is how Ramses II the Great could have looked during his lifetime already in old age. A still from the movie "Pharaoh". On the screen is his distant descendant, but also Ramessides - Ramses XII


“Listen to what I tell you,
So that you can be king over the earth,
So that you can be the ruler of countries ...
Be callous towards all subordinates!
People are wary of those who keep them at bay.
Don't go near them when you're alone
Don't rely on your brother
Don't know a friend
And may you not have confidants -
It doesn't make any sense.
When you sleep, take precautions yourself.
For there are no friends
On a wicked day. "
(Teaching of Pharaoh Amenemhat I, c. 1991-1962 BC, to his son Senusret)

Great rulers. After Akhenaten, who never became great in the opinion of the Egyptians, but quite the opposite - was cursed forever and ever, the first truly great pharaoh was Ramses II of the XIX dynasty, who ruled around 1279-1213 BC. e. According to the account, he was the third pharaoh of the XIX dynasty, the son of Pharaoh Seti I and his wife Tuya. And this time, the time of the reign of Ramses II the Great, became the era of the hitherto unprecedented prosperity of Ancient Egypt. Ramses himself lived 92 years, ruled for 67 years, and became famous for not being afraid to oppose the Hittites who were at the peak of his power and personally fought with them in the Battle of Kadesh - one of the most impressive battles of the Ancient World, where war chariots participated and even ... trained lions. Received the honorary title A-nakhtu - "Winner". Moreover, he was a winner in many ways.


Door frame from the temple of Ramses II. OK. 1279-1213 BC e. These colossal blocks are from the great gates erected to commemorate one of the anniversaries of Ramses II. The two offering scenes are located one above the other. In the upper part of the scene, Ramses II is depicted as offering sacrifices to Amon-Ra in the form of Kamutef, “the bull of his mother,” who was identified with the god of fertility, Min. In the lower scene, the king prays for offerings to Ptah-Tatanen, the patron saint of the royal jubilee. The names and titles of Ramses II are written on the right side. At the bottom of the doorframe, Ramses III, king of the twentieth dynasty, roughly carved his cartouches. The blocks were discovered in 1912-1913 by a Metropolitan Museum expedition, where they were reused in the foundations of a giant temple built by Ramses IV in the Assassif Valley. Construction was continued by two successors of Ramses IV, but was never completed. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Last time we talked about the fact that a truly great ruler must take care of the continuity of power and leave behind a worthy heir. So he succeeded here too. In any case, on the wall of the temple of Seti I in Abydos, images and even the names of 119 children of Ramses II, including 59 sons and 60 daughters, have been preserved. Moreover, this list is incomplete. There are other data: 111 sons and 67 daughters. That is, he had someone to choose a successor from and who to tie the bonds of dynastic marriage with the benefit of the country.


Cartridges with the name of Ramses. Karnak


A scarab depicting Ramses II striking a prisoner before the god Ptah. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Lucky historians and with the fact that a lot of monuments associated with his name have survived to our time. There are documents dating from each year of his reign, although by their nature they are very heterogeneous: there are temples and huge statues with inscriptions, and there are honey pots from Deir el-Medina, on which the name of Ramses is also written.


In this deeply carved relief of Ramses II, he is depicted wearing the red crown of Lower Egypt, sitting in a temple whose roof is adorned with Urei. It was part of a scene showing him celebrating one of the holidays or anniversaries of his long reign. This relief was found by Flinders Petrie in a temple built by Ramses II at Heracleopolis, in northern Egypt, near Fayum, and dedicated to the local god Harsafes. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Ramses II came to power on the 27th day of the third month of the shemu season (the month of Drought), when he was about twenty years old. And ... his reign began with the fact that he had to pacify the uprisings in Canaan and Nubia. For some reason, the local population or its leaders considered that the change of the royal power in Egypt was a convenient moment to “put aside” from it, and that the young pharaoh for some reason would not be able (or would not be able to) punish them for this separatism.

The first truly great ruler ...
Glazed brick with the name of Ramses. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

He managed, however, and only in one of the sparsely populated areas he killed seven thousand people, which was accurately calculated by their ... severed hands! But while the pharaoh pacified the Nubians, for some reason the Libyans rebelled (however, during the time of the pharaohs, they only did what they rebelled periodically), but ... Ramses immediately returned from the south and also punished them, as we know from the preserved image of his triumph over their western neighbors.

In the second year of Ramses' reign, the "peoples of the sea" - the Sherdans - invaded his country. But they were also some kind of "stupid". They sailed on ships and settled in the Nile delta, where they were killed by the Egyptians at night in a dream. But not all! The captive male sherdans were included in the Egyptian army. And they served Pharaoh honestly. In any case, there are images of them, in which they are fighting in the front ranks of Ramses' army in Syria and Palestine.

But the most, perhaps, the main achievement of the third year of the reign of Ramses was a seemingly not very significant fact at first glance: at the gold mines in Wadi Aki, they finally found underground water, which was previously brought there in jugs. Now the water shortage was over, and gold production increased several times!

Now he had something to pay for the loyalty of the mercenaries, and the army of Ramses exceeded 20 thousand people - the number for that time was simply enormous. And then the first campaign to Palestine took place, followed by the second, in which his 20-thousandth army took part in four corps named after the gods: Amun, Ra, Pta and Set. In the battle of Kadesh, Ramses had to face the Hittite army, in which, according to Egyptian sources, there were 3500 chariots (each of which had three soldiers!) And another 17 thousand infantrymen. True, there were not so many Hittite warriors in it, but almost all Anatolian and Syrian allies with their troops were present in abundance: the kings of Artsava, Lucca, Kizzuvatna, Aravanna, Euphrates Syria, Karkemish, Halaba, Ugarit, Nukhashsh, Kadesh, and in addition the nomads from the desert. It is clear that it was very difficult for the Hittite king Muwatalli to command all this "camp" and, apparently, that is why he did not manage to defeat the army of Ramses, although he was able to inflict serious losses on it.


Ramses at the Battle of Kadesh. Fig. J. Rava

It can be said that this historical the battle ended in a draw. However, it is important that Ramses II himself considered him a victory and ordered the story of him to be knocked out in the form of reliefs on the walls of many temple complexes he built in Abydos, Karnak, Luxor, Ramesseum and in the cave temple in Abu Simbel.


Ramesseum. Head of the statue of Ramses II

After the victory at Kadesh, Ramses considered the capture of the fortress Dapur located in the "country of Hatti", an event that also found reflection on the walls of the Ramesseum, his second great act after the victory at Kadesh. Moreover, if his predecessor Thutmose III two centuries earlier preferred to starve out enemy cities, and often failing to achieve the goal, completely recklessly devastated the fields and gardens surrounding them, Ramses II learned to take large and small fortresses by storm. Again, a list of cities captured by him in Asia can be read on the wall of the Ramesseum, although many of them have not yet been identified by name.


Pharaoh on a chariot. Fig. J. Rava

However, despite all the victories won, the "world power" created under Thutmose III was never fully restored: a number of lands previously subordinated to Egypt were still not able to be recaptured from the Hittites. The war between the Egyptian and Hittite kingdoms as a whole went on with varying success, and for many years!

And only after the death of the implacable enemy of the Egyptians, King Muwatalli, in the tenth year of the reign of Ramses II, a clear improvement in relations took place between Egypt and the Hittite state. But another eleven years passed before a peace treaty was signed in the capital of the Egyptian kingdom, Per-Ramses, again immortalized on the walls of the temples at Karnak and Ramesseum. Interestingly, the parties agreed to help each other by force weapons in case of attacks by a third party or uprisings of their subjects, as well as by all means hand over defectors.


This is how the prisoners were considered then, and then turned them into slaves. And the hands of the dead were cut off and carried in baskets before the victorious Pharaoh. Still from the film "Pharaoh" (1965)

In fact, it was the first peace treaty in the history of our civilization, which has survived from that time to the present day.

The strengthening of relations with the Hittite state was also the diplomatic marriage of Ramses II with the daughter of King Hattusili III, whose new Egyptian name Maathornefrura (“Seeing the Beauty of the Sun”) clearly hinted that she could now contemplate the Pharaoh. And what is most important: she not only replenished the royal harem, but became the “great” wife of the great Pharaoh.


Ruins of the Ramesseum in Luxor

It is interesting that the second daughter of the Hittite king also became the wife of Ramses, about the 42nd year of his reign, that is, he became related to the Hittite royal house even by double bonds.

As a result, peace reigned between Egypt and Asia for more than half a century, and people began to actively trade. And the exchange of cultural achievements began. After all, before that, the Egyptians, having plundered the cities of Syria and Palestine, always went back. Now, many of them began to remain in the Syrian-Palestinian cities, which increased the interpenetration of cultures in this region, and this is very important for strengthening the status of any great power and, accordingly, the status of its ruler.


Huge columns of the Ramesseum

It has been said: if you want to reign, build public buildings to give the people money. And someone who, but Ramses consistently followed this commandment. First, the war with the Hittites forced Ramses to move his capital to the site of the former capital of the Hyksos conquerors, Avaris, where the new city of Per-Ramses was built (or Pi-Ria-mas-sa-Mai-Aman, "House of Ramses, beloved by Amon"). It is clear that a huge temple was immediately built, in front of which was installed a monolithic colossus of Ramses made of granite, more than 27 m high and weighing 900 tons.


The cat kills the snake. This art of murals was typical of the tombs of the ancient Egyptians! This facsimile painting reproduces the scene in Sennejem's tomb in Deir el Medina. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Then Ramses also built temples in Memphis, Heliopolis, and in Abydos, where he finished the magnificent temple of his father, and even built his own memorial temple nearby. The Ramesseum was built in Thebes - a huge temple surrounded by a brick wall, in front of which there was another statue of him: lower than in Per-Ramses, but weighing 1000 tons. Ramses expanded the Luxor temple, and it was he who also completed the colossal Hypostyle Hall in the Karnak Temple, the greatest building in terms of its dimensions, both of antiquity and of the new world. Its area is 5000 sq. m. On both sides of the middle aisle there stood (still stands!) 12 columns with a height of 21 m, and together with tops (architraves) and beams-crossbeams - 24 m.On each such column it was possible to easily accommodate 100 people - that's how great it is. In addition, there were 126 more columns, standing in seven rows on each side of the middle aisle, which were “only” 13 m high.


These columns, shaped like bunches of lotus stems!

Well, in Nubia, the Nubians out of fear, in a sheer cliff in Abu Simbel, a stunning cave temple was carved out, the entrance to which was decorated with four 20-meter statues of Ramses II. It's funny that the great pharaoh did not reckon with his predecessors at all and used their buildings as quarries. So, he destroyed the pyramid of Senusret II in El-Lahun, and in the Delta he dismantled the buildings of the Middle Kingdom into stones. He even dug the granite chapel of Thutmose III, and used its stones in the construction of the Luxor Temple.


The history of Ramses the Great's victories was carved in stone

After the death of Ramses, the priests had to bury him as many as five times, and all because of the damned grave robbers. His mummy, one might say, wandered through other people's tombs, where the priests carried it, until it found final rest in the cache of Pharaoh Herihor in Deir el-Bahri.


Mummy of Ramses II. Cairo Museum

But even there she was found in 1881 and sent to the Cairo Museum. And she lay there for a long time, but almost in our time it was noticed that she began to collapse under the influence of some harmful fungi. Therefore, in 1976, she was sent on a military plane to France, where she was again mothballed in the Paris Ethnological Museum.


Temple in Abu Simbel

It turned out that Ramses was quite tall (1,7 m), had fair skin and typologically belonged to the African Berbers. And here's what's interesting: in the history of Egypt there were many pharaohs who, let's say, left quite important traces in it - the unifiers of the country, the builders of the pyramids, the conquerors ... There were many of them, but only one Rameses II became Great!


Canopes. The insides of the deceased pharaoh were kept in them. Metropolitan Museum. New York

To be continued ...
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 18: 11
    +11
    Bravo Vyacheslav! good When you don't touch politics, you are just a god! bully
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi April 28 2021 18: 22
      +11
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Bravo Vyacheslav! good When you don't touch politics, you are just a god! bully

      Yeah. But why does he call Canaan Palestine?

      The Roman emperor Hadrian suppressed in 135 AD. e. the uprising of the Jews against Rome led by Bar Kokhba. He changed the name of Jerusalem to "Elia Capitolina" and ordered the entire territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River to be called Palestinian Syria - lat. Syria Palaestina (Latin version of the Greek name). The renaming was carried out in order to erase the memory of the Kingdom of Judah.

      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 18: 36
        +16
        Gods sometimes make mistakes. request This will be confirmed by any rabbi who cuts off the excess of what was created by God! bully
        1. kalibr
          April 28 2021 19: 33
          +13
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Gods make mistakes sometimes

          Lenin, what did he say about this? It is not the one who does not make mistakes, there are no such people at all, but the one who makes small mistakes, realizes them, and knows how to correct them in time.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 19: 37
            +5
            The one who does nothing is not mistaken! laughing
            And you still need to be able to admit mistakes, and this is not given to everyone. After all, only a recognized mistake can be corrected. hi
          2. Alien From
            Alien From April 28 2021 21: 56
            +3
            Thank you! Gorgeous as always hi
        2. Gato
          Gato April 28 2021 22: 49
          +4
          This is not superfluous, but that it is not a pity to donate repeat
      2. kalibr
        April 28 2021 19: 25
        +12
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        But why does he call Canaan Palestine?

        Because for 97% of readers, it doesn't matter. There is no need to multiply entities unnecessarily. This is not a historical article, but a popular science article.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi April 28 2021 20: 27
          +7
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          But why does he call Canaan Palestine?

          Because for 97% of readers, it doesn't matter. There is no need to multiply entities unnecessarily. This is not a historical article, but a popular science article.

          It is truth too.
        2. Richard
          Richard April 28 2021 23: 33
          +7
          kalibr (Vyacheslav): This is not a historical article, but a popular science article.

          For an ordinary popular science article, it is quite literate. A simple example is a photo signed by the author:

          Rescued, why red? - it seems that paint residues are not noticed. And for a person who is really interested in the history of Egypt, there is no mystery here. The pharaohs wore only four types of headdresses - the white crown of Upper Egypt, the red crown of Lower Egypt, the double crown of both kingdoms and the royal kheperesh helmet. All of them naturally differed in color, shape and material.


          .
          Vyacheslav simply, without explaining anything, signed his photo like this, implying that everyone else knew it too.
          In any case, this involuntarily evokes respect. To a person who perfectly understands what he is writing about
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 28 2021 20: 53
        +5
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Bravo Vyacheslav! good When you don't touch politics, you are just a god! bully

        Yeah. But why does he call Canaan Palestine?

        Quite right! It was necessary to name it as it really is - the State of Israel with its capital in the One and Indivisible Jerusalem. laughing drinks
    2. RealPilot
      RealPilot April 28 2021 19: 00
      +8
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, thanks for the article!

      You are an amazingly versatile person, articles on such different topics, and all are very good. Continue to delight us with such interesting historical essays!
      1. kalibr
        April 28 2021 19: 29
        +10
        This is thanks to constant practice! At first, I wrote only about homemade products that I made myself. 2 articles per year. Then ... it got to 12. Then he risked starting to write about tanks ... Then he wrote the first book about knights - a compilation from Osprey and Funkens ... and so gradually the boundaries of awareness expanded. At VO, I also started with articles about tanks - after TANKOMASTER and PR - which I taught. So this VO greatly expanded my information horizon, and the readers did their best - they asked me to write about this, about this ... Thanks to them for that!
    3. vladcub
      vladcub April 28 2021 19: 22
      +4
      Ingvar, I completely agree: V. It's better not to touch politics
      1. kalibr
        April 28 2021 19: 42
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        Quote: vladcub
        Ingvar, I completely agree: V. It's better not to touch politics

        All this, Svyatoslav, depends on the mood.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub April 28 2021 19: 50
          +7
          And you have it as changeable ginseng ?. Themselves talked about this, that write only on the mood
          1. kalibr
            April 28 2021 19: 58
            +3
            Not like a woman, Vladislav, but with age!
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 20: 03
          +5
          Not really Vyacheslav. It depends to a large extent on personal views on what is happening, and the degree of their inveterateness (dogmas).
          Take your historical articles - they are essentially impartial reviews, which compares favorably with the articles of the same Mikhail Trilobit, who writes everything from his point of view, which does not tolerate an alternative opinion.
          In political articles, you also rely on your dogmas, and your articles turn out to be biased.
          This is, of course, my opinion, and nothing more. hi
          1. kalibr
            April 28 2021 20: 17
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            In political articles, you also rely on your dogmas, and your articles turn out to be biased.

            Actually no, Igor. I just love to write about something that I haven't written about yet or from an angle that hasn't been looked at. You have probably not been in the archives of the OK of the CPSU in your region and have not read a book with denunciations of NKVD agents? Therefore, you have one view of the past. I read ... and these are not dogmas, but the same objective information as about Ramses. But you JUST DO NOT SEE it that way. You have a different level of knowledge. That's all. And since you will not go to the archive, and you will not read the documents of the NKVD, then ... we will continue to communicate in different languages. Remember Aitmatov's "Burannyi polustanok", there it is said very well about this contradiction.
            By the way, I really like Mikhail's articles and do not seem biased at all ...
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 20: 26
              +5
              Quote: kalibr
              You have probably not been in the archives of the OK of the CPSU in your region and have not read a book with denunciations of NKVD agents?

              Of course not, but I know that after a long work in the authorities, people see only negative around, they become skeptics and cynics. The imprint of the work. It is the same with those who constantly read denunciations. After that, it becomes disgusting, and you look at the world differently. But this is not an objective view.
              I didn’t read Aitmatov, didn’t get there. request
              PS My grandfather and grandmother are repressed, dispossessed and exiled. My grandfather's brother was shot in 37. But my grandfather never said a bad word about Stalin in his entire life. And not out of fear. hi
              1. kalibr
                April 28 2021 20: 38
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                But the grandfather never said a bad word about Stalin in his entire life. And not out of fear.

                Or maybe because of ignorance? He was not a professor at Moscow State University, was he?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 20: 49
                  +6
                  You don't need to be a professor to understand why you endure hardships and losses. request
                  And my grandfather was the smartest man.
                  1. kalibr
                    April 28 2021 21: 20
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    You don't need to be a professor to understand why you endure hardships and losses.
                    And my grandfather was the smartest man.

                    At its level, yes. But ... it was not a high level. I haven't seen the forest behind the trees, that's what they say about them.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 22: 23
                      +3
                      Quote: kalibr
                      At its level, yes. But ... it was not a high level. I have not seen the forest behind the trees, so they say about such

                      You need to watch Good Will Hunting. wink
              2. kalibr
                April 28 2021 20: 39
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                It is the same with those who constantly read denunciations.

                And if this is only a part of what the person is reading? And everything there ... is not as beautiful as in the textbook for the 10th grade of the Soviet school, then how? And then, besides the organs, there were also party committees of factories, institutes, RK and OK, finally, the Central Committee of the Komsomol was ... I had no admission to the archives of the Central Committee of the CPSU. And everywhere there, you understand, everything was somewhat different than in the newspaper Pravda. You have nothing to compare with, that's all. I have something with.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 20: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: kalibr
                  And everything is ... not so beautiful

                  Have you ever thought about how gynecologists live in their personal lives? wink
                  And I do not build childish illusions about parental relationships, I know that the stork does not bring children, everything is much more prosaic, and sometimes it goes.
                  But as I said, then it was for the good of the majority, now for the good of the minority.
                  1. kalibr
                    April 28 2021 21: 08
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    for the benefit of the majority

                    Well, you are still a zombie, you haven't met such people for a long time. But how do they write here: Khrushchev is a Trotskyist, Chernenko is an old man, Gorbachev is a traitor, and others like them ... they also tried for the majority? Read Orwell again, 1984. The phrase begins with the words: Throughout recorded history and, apparently, from the end of the Neolithic, there were people of three sorts in the world: higher, middle and lower ...
                    More details on livelib.ru:
                    https://www.livelib.ru/quote/690385-1984-skotnyj-dvor-dzhordzh-oruell
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 21: 16
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                      Quote: kalibr
                      people of three sorts: higher, middle and lower ...

                      A strong thing. But it was inspired by Kinza Dza ... laughing
                      PS Appreciated the joke about zombies.
                      1. Richard
                        Richard April 28 2021 21: 47
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                        There are three kinds of people: higher, middle and lower ...

                        Not only. There are also secondary technical and incomplete higher smile
                      2. kalibr
                        April 29 2021 06: 39
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                        Quote: Richard
                        There are also secondary technical and incomplete higher

                        They fall into all three categories! For example, a mid-technical girl with a third bust who fell on her back in time may well get from the lower to the higher.
                    2. kalibr
                      April 29 2021 06: 41
                      +1
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Appreciated the zombie joke.

                      You are at least a normal zombie, these are still victories ...
                    3. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 07: 36
                      0
                      We are all zombies, with our own programmed. Someone has this life experience, someone else is studying at a state university. wink
                      Jokes aside, but knowledge does not always make a person smarter. Rereading Bazhov's tales, I am amazed at the intelligence and wisdom of ordinary people, in some scientific works one can find a bunch of arrogant stupidity. You yourself know all this.
                      I mean, Vyacheslav, that education is not always an indicator of intelligence, but just its cutting. Or in other words, what the dad has not invested in cannot be driven in with a stick. wink
                    4. kalibr
                      April 29 2021 09: 00
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                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      I mean, Vyacheslav, that education is not always an indicator of intelligence, but just its cutting. Or in other words, what the dad has not invested in cannot be driven in with a stick.

                      This is all true. But there are test criteria. There are people with three higher educations and ... what did they do? Again, I will have to "brag", but only here I have almost 1500 articles, and more than 300 on Pravda.ru and 50 on Ruskontur, as well as in printed magazines. Well, books and grants for books (in our conditions "there is no money, but you hold on", textbooks that no one would publish if they were not bought) - that is, there is an assessment of their content, right? Now in Singapore they have published 8 of my books on the Dream website. They know how to count money. You would not do this if it was Mr. ... So you can trust the cutting of my mind, as you trusted and trust Rosmen, Enlightenment, AST, Eksmo, Polygon, Osprey, ... then I forgot the RAS of the Russian Federation. Plus awareness. You, Igor, do not be offended, you do not know from which side the door in the archive opens, and I worked in the archives of the Central Committee of the Komsomol, OK KPSS of Samara, Ulyanovsk, Saratov, the archive of the Ministry of Defense in Podolsk. Since 1985 ... I still visit Penza. You cannot imagine the amount of processed information. Is this not a cut? Where to cut something even more? So this is just the case when the knowledge base brought only benefit.
                    5. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 09: 16
                      +1
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Igor, do not be offended, you do not know from which side the door in the archive opens,

                      Vyacheslav, it is impossible to offend me by the fact that I don’t know something. request
                      I'll go from the other side - I do not in any way underestimate your scientific achievements, but knowledge is akin to information on a hard disk, and no matter how important it is, it all depends on the power of the processor.
                      Speaking about my grandfather, I meant that the power of his processor was prohibitive, but the hard disk contained only that information that was necessary for life at that time, and for raising six children. But the mind was sharp, and the memory was phenomenal.
                      And yes, Vyacheslav, it sometimes seems to me that you too often mention your achievements - there is only a thin line separating pride from pride! wink
                    6. kalibr
                      April 29 2021 10: 17
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                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Speaking about my grandfather, I meant that the power of his processor was prohibitive, but the hard disk contained only that information that was necessary for life at that time, and for raising six children. But the mind was sharp, and the memory was phenomenal.

                      Everything is so, but at its own, very low social and informational level. And the merits ... and how would you behave if you had to explain to a child of five why. is the car going? "Dad turns the steering wheel and drives! And grandfather told me too." And you tell him about the Carnot principle, right? It will be a wonderful conversation. That's about the same thing I have here, in this case ... with you. And in order to explain something you need to "know half the answer." You don’t know. So I have to remind you that there is someone who knows. Because this, too, does not immediately reach, they immediately begin to write to you that "knowledge of the mind does not teach" and other commonplace platitudes. We have to explain that the criterion of "learning" and "cutting" is practice. Still, not everyone agrees ... And then they start talking about the "edges". But the edges are edges, but you read me, and not I you.
                    7. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 10: 33
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                      Quote: kalibr
                      But the edges are edges, but you read me, and not I you.

                      Well, that's how to say it! laughing Here you are answering me, at first you read me the same way! wink
                      As for the practice - our everything, I agree.
                      But in history, it is almost impossible to find the truth; every historian who makes his notes in the book of events adds it on the basis of personal judgments.
                      That is why you can make a false judgment about events, overlooking a grain, a trifle. This also applies to the history of the Union in which you specialized. And this is without taking into account your personally evaluative views. Do you understand what I'm talking about?
                      Therefore, I personally do not consider history to be a science equal to mathematics, astronomy, geometry and physics with chemistry.
                    8. kalibr
                      April 29 2021 11: 21
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                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Therefore, I personally do not consider history to be a science equal to mathematics, astronomy, geometry and physics with chemistry.

                      I understood you. It is useless to argue with the blind about the merits of painting, to the deaf to talk about Kalman's music, and to the handless to offer to play volleyball. This is unwise and cruel. Sorry!
                    9. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 12: 12
                      0
                      You shouldn't be like that, Vyacheslav. I tell you that history cannot be equated with the fundamental sciences, and nothing more. request
                      There is no possibility of proof, but verification only on the basis of facts. And again, from personal preferences, objectionable facts are swept aside.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      with the blind about the merits of painting

                      It depends on what kind of painting to talk about! wink Regarding the "art" of Chagall, Picasso, Frida and Malevich, I am really blind, and it costs me nothing to explain. laughing
                      I like Repin, Shishkin, the great Dutch, and even Dali. Here you can discuss. wink
                      I hope you understand the hint by analogy. hi
  • kalibr
    April 28 2021 20: 47
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    But this is not an objective view.

    Objective view: the USSR collapsed. Even more objective: good things don't fall apart! The pyramids, if they were correctly built, stand in Egypt for millennia. But there were also poorly built ones ... They fell apart! Here I had a cycle: "WAR, GOLD, PYRAMIDS" - get there, read about the "good" pyramids and about the "bad" ones.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 21: 02
      +4
      Quote: kalibr
      Objective view: the USSR collapsed. Even more objective: good things don't fall apart!

      It doesn't fall apart on its own, but you don't take into account malice. And the objective fact is that the USSR was destroyed.
      1. kalibr
        April 29 2021 06: 36
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And the objective fact is that the USSR was destroyed.

        It was already, Igor. Why didn't we destroy the USA, England, France then? How many Communist Parties, how many millions have been put in them, and what? Was their intelligence better than our spies? By the way, I just had an article on this topic here; "They made their way and are falling apart." Again, you just haven't read a lot. You don't know ... And judge by the writings of cheap journalists, who also ... weren't in the archives, and don't know anything. And once again, you can't ruin the good! Bad is easy!
        You should go to the archives of the OK KPSS a couple of times and read their documents ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 07: 24
          0
          Quote: kalibr
          Why didn't we destroy the USA, England, France then?

          We tried, but it's hard to play with thimblers by their rules. It was a mistake. Deliberately admitted, or not, I do not know.
          Quote: kalibr
          And once again, you can't ruin the good!

          That is, you insist that you can't? I can easily prove the opposite to you by visiting you with a jackhammer! wassat
          Vyacheslav, you, with the stubbornness of a religious dogmatist, defend a deliberately erroneous position. You can destroy everything if you have the intent to do so. It doesn't matter which lock you hang on the door, the grinder will cut any.
          There were many shortcomings in the Union, there were dirty and terrible particulars, but in general, the very idea of ​​the existence of such a state was correct.
          Understand Vyacheslav, even the most beautiful girl goes to the toilet for a long time, and if you dwell on this, there is a high probability that you will remain a boor. hi
          1. kalibr
            April 29 2021 11: 22
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            You can destroy everything if you have the intent to do so.

            Hitler intended to destroy the USSR. I couldn't ...
          2. kalibr
            April 29 2021 11: 24
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            We tried, but it's hard to play with thimblers by their rules.

            So it was necessary to learn. It's not that hard!
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 12: 16
            0
            No, you had to play by your own rules. By recognizing the supremacy of the dollar as the world currency, we gave our opponents untold resources.
          4. kalibr
            April 29 2021 12: 20
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I had to play by my own rules. By recognizing the supremacy of the dollar as the world currency, we gave our opponents untold resources.

            And who bothered?
          5. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 12: 32
            0
            Have you ever fought, Vyacheslav? You count on one thing, but in the process it may be different. I didn't calculate my strength, made an erroneous throw, and ended up on the floor myself.
            And here there is also a factor of possible internal sabotage. And this cannot be denied.
          6. kalibr
            April 29 2021 12: 37
            +1
            I’m unlikely to say more in the comments than I wrote in the article "They made their way and are falling apart!" Although ... I remembered one wise folk saying: "Don't fight the strong, don't sue the rich, don't reach for the smart!" That is, in any case, you will walk with a bat muzzle. So we tried it and ... we go!
          7. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 12: 44
            0
            We were strong, we were smart. But yes, they tried to sue the rich. And according to their own law. And I had to send them in the forest.
  • kalibr
    April 28 2021 19: 23
    -1
    Igor! I am just "god" when I touch politics. I invisibly spun the actions of citizens of an entire region, trained thousands of specialists in this matter and wrote 5 most interesting books, one of which was recognized as the best textbook of the year in 2004. It's just that people in our country were taught that their knowledge is KNOWLEDGE, that people who do not know anything actually know ... And they are ashamed to admit that they have wrong ideas about their lives, but ... not ashamed, what they don't know about the pharaohs. Hence the judgment that articles "about pharaohs and swords" are more interesting than those written on the basis of archival data, and the mass of monographs and dissertations.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave April 28 2021 19: 36
      +13
      My respect, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
      Vanity is a mortal sin. At least in our cultural paradigm.
      1. kalibr
        April 28 2021 19: 43
        +4
        The main thing, Anton, as they explained to me, is to repent in time!
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 April 28 2021 20: 09
          +6
          Presented a painting: repentant Vyacheslav Olegovich. But I don’t know who forgives him his sins?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 28 2021 21: 21
            +7
            Shpakovsky has his own people in the Penza diocese. He once taught them "the history of the CPSU". laughing
            1. kalibr
              April 29 2021 11: 25
              +1
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              our people.

              And not only in the diocese !!!
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave April 28 2021 20: 15
          +7
          Oh yeah!!! But, the Lord is a big joker. And his jokes, as a rule, are given as "noir"
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 28 2021 20: 57
          +7
          Quote: kalibr
          The main thing, Anton, as they explained to me, is to repent in time!

          Sinning and repenting is not tsimes fellow
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 April 28 2021 21: 09
            +5
            What do you think of tsimes in life?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar April 28 2021 21: 44
              +5
              Uh ... probably when your grown-up children are absolutely not like you, but at the same time they are more successful laughing Probably so request
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 April 28 2021 21: 47
                +5
                My children are like me, maybe more successful, but what does this have to do with another question?
                Should I attach emoticons too?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar April 28 2021 23: 06
                  +3
                  I'm not talking about looks, about similarities hi
                  The question was “what is tsimes in life for me”. Absolutely successful, independent children, going their own way.
                  Sinning and repenting is also not bad, but after 35 it gets boring laughing
              2. kalibr
                April 30 2021 10: 34
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                .probably, when your grown-up children are absolutely not like you, but at the same time they are more successful

                How well you said. Wisely!
      2. ee2100
        ee2100 April 28 2021 21: 08
        +5
        Greetings to the beggar from the beggar! Vanity is not always a sin!
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave April 28 2021 21: 17
          +6
          "Hungry people usih krain, to the heap - gop!"
          1. Undecim
            Undecim April 28 2021 21: 33
            +6
            Good evening.
            Where did you scoop up this phrase?
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave April 28 2021 21: 46
              +4
              Hello, Victor Nikolaevich!
              Believe it or not, in the RSFSR.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim April 28 2021 21: 50
                +5
                Why don't I believe, I believe.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave April 28 2021 21: 57
                  +4
                  Here you go. I think it's hard to suspect me of allenophobia.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 28 2021 19: 27
    +7
    My respect, Igor! hi
    And then there was no "politics"?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 19: 32
      +7
      There was Anton, but after years we can judge her impartially. request According to today's realities, Vyacheslav Olegovich and I have disagreements. hi
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave April 28 2021 20: 07
        +6
        Igor, both you and "Pallas cat" had disagreements, up to invective expressions.
        In my opinion, one cannot believe in recent history, no matter which side it is interpreted. News is a "cold dish", and Russia is "a country with an uncertain history."
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 20: 14
          +4
          There were irreconcilable differences, with the latter's pathological vanity. laughing And the snitch was unsurpassed. Vyacheslav Olegovich is not like that, many times smarter.
          But in history I agree, only in the case of Russia one cannot uncompromisingly believe in history at all. She constantly corresponded, more than once or twice, for political and religious reasons.
          Someone would argue that historical facts cannot be faked, but as we know, their perception and assessment depends on the correct placement of punctuation marks and the order of presentation.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 28 2021 20: 39
            +5
            Perhaps it passed your attention, but "Cat Manul" and "kalibr" are phenomena of the same order.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 20: 51
              +5
              I will argue. In terms of views, it is possible, but the form of communication is completely different. After all, the same words from the mouth of the gopnik and the intellectual sound differently, don't they? wink
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave April 28 2021 21: 05
                +5
                So. But only the "manul" is never a gopnik. Undoubtedly, more than half of my life in the "network" leaves its mark, but not a gopnik - that's for sure. I talked to him outside the forum.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 21: 11
                  +5
                  Damn Anton, I don't like people who teach life pretentiously, but they themselves are far from unclean. With his submission, several pretty good people flew away from the site, whom he purposefully pulled out to emotions, and then poured them to the moderators. I knocked on Russian speaking.
                  In addition, pompously, in the style of Sobchak, he advised people with small salaries to work more. How do you think it is? How to understand this for teachers, doctors, nannies in kindergarten, janitors in the end?
                  I rarely make mistakes in people, Anton, and my opinion has not changed about him.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave April 28 2021 21: 33
                    +4
                    Well, fig knows! Today I talked with a man, at the suggestion of whom many of my friends "flew from the site" (he banned himself), and I, by no means, do not consider him a scoundrel.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 22: 30
                      +4
                      Anton, you are confusing the work of a moderator and an administrator, which of course are biased, and an ordinary forum user, who deliberately deduces a person to emotions, and then writes a complaint about an insult to the administrator. These are two different things Anton, and this is despicable.
                    2. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave April 28 2021 22: 53
                      +3
                      Yes, it's mean. But from the point of view of a newbie on the web. Igor, you understand, such people live in several realities and sometimes forget which one is real.
                    3. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 07: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      Yes, it's mean. But from the point of view of a newbie on the web.

                      No Anton, not only. A person can be stupid, stupid, arrogant, touchy, stubborn like a ram, maybe a dogmatist, even a sneak, all this can be understood. But when a person does meanness, this cannot be understood. Understand, drawing analogies with martial arts, it looks like a kick in the groin. Low and mean.
              2. Snail N9
                Snail N9 April 28 2021 22: 09
                +5
                Hm ... When they say that you, they say, lived and did not know about Pharaoh Ramses ... and in general, they exclaim like, A! And you, my friend, do not know this and even this ...? Yes you are my friend, that ... "For some reason, I remember Sherlock Holmes, who surprised Watson by not knowing that the Earth is round and explained his ignorance by the fact that he compared the head with an attic in which some store only the necessary things for life, while others litter it with all sorts of rubbish unnecessary in life. wink
      2. ee2100
        ee2100 April 28 2021 21: 12
        +5
        "Vyacheslav Olegovich is not like that, many times smarter." (c) and why such a peremptory statement?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 21: 19
          +3
          Since we are all discussing his article, and not the vain bullshit of another character! laughing
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 April 28 2021 21: 24
            +2
            Why is it that a famous character writes this garbage?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 21: 30
              +2
              What are you talking about? Something I do not understand you.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 April 28 2021 21: 31
                +2
                Sori, and I did not understand you
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 22: 26
                  +3
                  We discussed in comparison Vyacheslav and one VO visitor, known by the nicknames cat manul, consultant, golovan Jack.
    2. tatiana korzhenko
      tatiana korzhenko April 29 2021 09: 08
      +3
      Rather, Russia is a country with an unpredictable past (not mine).
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka April 28 2021 19: 34
    +7
    Hello Anton! It is subtly marked, I think it is for a contemporary of Ramses the Great, the "kooks" of the latter were also "wow, what a policy" !!! I dare to suggest that any little shepherd with his herd of goats tried to stay away from the foragers of the Pharaoh's army, and any merchant, on the contrary, was closer !!! laughing
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 20: 05
      +6
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      that any little shepherd with his herd of goats tried to stay away from the foragers of the Pharaoh's army, and any merchant, on the contrary, was closer !!!

      Roughly the same thing happened with any army. That Peter the first, that of Ramses the second. request All those who obtained food by their labor were hiding from the foragers.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 April 28 2021 21: 22
    +4
    Alexander, but nothing! What difference does it make, the main thing is that the person is ours!
  • Illanatol
    Illanatol April 29 2021 08: 41
    +4
    And where is politics, in fact?
    Well, Ramses the Great was a great master of self-promotion, who can argue.
    The reform of the army and its rearmament are undoubted merit.
    For the rest, his successes are exaggerated from his own submission.
    He almost lost the battle of Kadesh due to tactical miscalculations, at first the Hittites had a clear advantage by completely destroying one of the Egyptian corps.
    With all the desire to win, he does not pull, at least he did not lose the army.
    His example is an example of the fact that sometimes it is more important not to be, but to seem great.
    Then you will make the right impression on the descendants.

    The idea of ​​monotheism from Akhenaten will have a much greater influence on the further development of mankind than all the deeds of the "Great" Ramses.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol April 28 2021 18: 24
    +7
    Giants of days gone by! Truly gigantic culture!
    1. vladcub
      vladcub April 28 2021 19: 25
      +8
      In fact, ancient Egypt is a very fascinating story.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka April 28 2021 20: 00
        +7
        Quote: vladcub
        In fact, ancient Egypt is a very fascinating story.

        In fact, for any student of the former USSR, this is the beginning of the beginnings of ancient history. The introductory part about the tribal society flew by imperceptibly and quickly, which proves most of the comrades swimming in the question of what the state is.
        But Egypt on the pages of the textbook played with gold and sandy colors, beckoned with mystical pyramids, mummies and sphinxes !!! However, the school curriculum was so insignificant in comparison with the real history of Egypt that I sometimes wonder what else the land of pharaohs, cats and crocodiles has hidden.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub April 28 2021 20: 31
          +4
          Namesake, good evening. He said it right. I, too, do not remember those before Egypt
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 28 2021 21: 00
        +7
        Quote: vladcub
        In fact, ancient Egypt is a very fascinating story.

        We can say - one of the pillars of modern civilization. Greetings, Vlad! hi
        1. kalibr
          April 28 2021 21: 11
          +4
          Still would! The bulk of the gold that is now circulating around the world is mined there!
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 28 2021 21: 46
            +5
            And monotheism, it seems, is also from there - conditionally, but still))
          2. Free wind
            Free wind April 29 2021 02: 14
            +3
            Forgive me, but many thousands of tons of gold have been mined, and not at all in Egypt.
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka April 29 2021 04: 22
              +2
              Quote: kalibr
              Still would! The bulk of the gold that is now circulating around the world is mined there!


              Quote: Free Wind
              Forgive me, but many thousands of tons of gold have been mined, and not at all in Egypt.

              I dare to suggest that Vyacheslav was referring to artifact gold. Considering that iron at the time of the reign of Ramses II was only still in the "turnover", the value of golden weapons and tools was prohibitive, but not so much that with the same hotts it changed one to one for iron. Perhaps the hero of our article is the peak of the revolution in the production of tools, when iron begins to squeeze out bronze. First Hittite and then its Egyptian production.
  • Catfish
    Catfish April 28 2021 18: 51
    +9
    It's funny that the great pharaoh did not reckon with his predecessors at all and used their buildings as quarries.


    Yes, no respect for the ancestors, he probably erected so many churches so that the descendants could not make out everything for their own needs. But they still took a few things. smile

    ... where they were reused in the foundations of a giant temple built by Ramses IV in the Assassif Valley.


    “I am Ozymandius, I am the powerful king of kings!
    Take a look at my great deeds
    Lords of all times, all countries and all seas! "
    There is nothing around ... Deep silence ...
    The desert is dead ... And the heavens above it ... "(S. Percy Shelley)

    Everything is decay, only the universe is eternal.

    Thanks to Vyacheslav for the evening, brightened up with a good article. good drinks
    1. vladcub
      vladcub April 28 2021 19: 29
      +9
      Kostya, hello. How uncultured were the pharaohs: everyone believed: "I am the only magnitude, and the predecessors are historical rubbish"
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave April 28 2021 19: 38
      +9
      Everything is decay, only the universe is eternal.

      And she will die.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish April 28 2021 20: 47
        +6
        Оmnia transit? And that too will pass. smile
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave April 28 2021 20: 54
          +5
          Something like that. "Life is a disease of matter, mind is a disease of life."
          1. Catfish
            Catfish April 28 2021 21: 03
            +8
            "It's good to be a cat, it's good to be a dog: where I want - there I pee, where I want - there cocoa" (c) wink
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave April 28 2021 21: 15
              +5
              "Maybe that shabby cat,
              I used to be a villain
              And this sweet man
              I used to be a good dog "(C)
              1. Catfish
                Catfish April 28 2021 21: 31
                +8
                Given our priorities in the animal kingdom, you, of course, shamelessly flattered yourself. laughing
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave April 28 2021 21: 50
                  +5
                  Considering myself the "Big Dog God", I will certainly forgive myself for this weakness. laughing
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish April 28 2021 22: 05
                    +7
                    I have already noticed that modesty is not the dominant component of your nature. laughing
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave April 28 2021 22: 14
                      +6
                      I don't really like Dobermans, but, anyway, thanks for the recognition! laughing
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish April 28 2021 22: 35
                        +8
                        It's not about the breed of the dog, but about the nature of its owner. yes
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave April 28 2021 22: 56
                        +7
                        You understand so much about dogs!? ... laughing
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish April 28 2021 23: 01
                        +7
                        Not very much in dogs, but I have studied the human breed thoroughly. negative
        2. Richard
          Richard April 28 2021 21: 40
          +8
          "It's good to be a cat, it's good to be a dog: where I want - there I pee, where I want - there cocoa" (c)

          Now we have to urgently reassure and solder with Corvalol our most intelligent neighbor professor-Egyptologist, who specially asked to visit us with a cake to discuss the most interesting article by Comrade. Shpakovsky about Ramses II, and fainted after your comment. smile
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 April 28 2021 21: 50
            +5
            It is necessary to advise the "atomic" enema, immediately wakes up!
          2. Catfish
            Catfish April 28 2021 22: 03
            +11
            Hello Dima! drinks
            My deepest apologies to the distinguished lady. love But, for my part, I want to note that our site is in some way still a military one, and we, "ordinary soldiers and do not know the words of love," but the smell of footcloths and soldier's sweat has long been "sweet and pleasant to us." What to do - being determines everything else. request soldier

            1. Richard
              Richard April 28 2021 22: 11
              +5
              Good evening, Constantine! good
              1. Catfish
                Catfish April 28 2021 22: 28
                +6
                As a lady, did she feel better? drinks
                1. Richard
                  Richard April 28 2021 23: 41
                  +7
                  Yes, she has already gone home, but she promised to return to the next article by Shpakovsky. smile
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish April 29 2021 00: 12
                    +7
                    Will wait. bully laughing bully
            2. Undecim
              Undecim April 28 2021 22: 15
              +8
              but the smell of footcloths and soldier's sweat has long been "sweet and pleasant for us"
              This is not for everybody. One night in training, being in an outfit, I went out of the way to smoke. When I went back, I could hardly resist.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish April 28 2021 22: 28
                +9
                And this is all because smoking is harmful! soldier

                Vic, good evening. smile
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim April 28 2021 22: 37
                  +9
                  Good evening.
                  Yes, it's harmful. I gave up about seven years ago.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam April 28 2021 22: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: Undecim
                    Threw seven years ago

                    How many years have you smoked?
                  2. Undecim
                    Undecim April 28 2021 22: 40
                    +7
                    More than thirty.
                  3. Liam
                    Liam April 28 2021 22: 43
                    +3
                    Soon I will catch up, it means by experience ... it's time to wrap up
              2. Catfish
                Catfish April 28 2021 22: 44
                +8
                After the first operation, I did not smoke for six months, then I started again.
              3. Undecim
                Undecim April 28 2021 22: 47
                +8
                Yes, now there are problems with normal smoking. They shove some kind of dung, it stinks of chemistry.
              4. Catfish
                Catfish April 28 2021 23: 06
                +7
                That's right, we smoke only one brand now, the tobacco seems to be good, but paper, like everyone else, with saltpeter, and prices are jumping up like seizures. But I have been smoking for 60 years, so even doctors warn me to be careful about tossing. The devil only knows, on the one hand, and it seems, it is necessary to quit, but on the other: "who does not smoke or drink, he will die healthy." And who knows how much I have left in general. request smile
              5. Undecim
                Undecim April 28 2021 23: 14
                +7
                For the past few years, I have preferred hand-rolled cigarettes.
              6. Catfish
                Catfish April 28 2021 23: 31
                +7
                But where can you find cigarette-rolling tobacco now?
              7. Undecim
                Undecim April 28 2021 23: 33
                +8
                Tobacco, moreover, good, without chemicals, sleeves, machines - everything is on sale.
              8. Catfish
                Catfish April 29 2021 00: 14
                +7
                And what sort, advise, is worth trying.
              9. Undecim
                Undecim April 29 2021 01: 21
                +4
                I don’t know your preferences in terms of taste and strength.
              10. Catfish
                Catfish April 29 2021 04: 24
                +3
                I like strong tobacco. Until the Cuban cigarettes disappeared, I smoked "Ligeros", and now I use EVE resin, but I always tear off the filter.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 20: 40
        0
        Quote: Undecim
        For the past few years, I have preferred hand-rolled cigarettes.

        I also jumped off with them - I swore to smoke cigarettes. And a pipe. Six months later, I completely cried 16 years ago.
  • Engineer
    Engineer April 28 2021 19: 06
    +15
    And the hands of the dead were cut off

    Accounting for severed hands under Ramses No. 3. Temple of Medinet Habu

    In addition to the hands, the foreskin was cut off from the genitals of the dead.
    Perhaps it depended on the nationality of those killed.
    Battle of the Nile Delta. 1182 Libyans, Meshesh (other Libyans?) Are defeated. teker (Tevkra Trojans?)
    There were 12533 severed organs (arms and foreskin) counted
    For obvious reasons, I didn't even think to look for a picture.
    1. kalibr
      April 28 2021 19: 30
      +3
      But it is, this picture, and very funny! But ... yes, it's better not to upload it.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 20: 29
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        But ... yes, it's better not to upload it.

        Give me a link!
        1. kalibr
          April 28 2021 20: 35
          0
          I don’t remember the links, I wrote this article two weeks ago, and I don’t even remember what was there and where. And I have been studying the history of Egypt since ... 1972, one of my favorite topics. Where and when did I see it? Yes, God knows ...
        2. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 April 28 2021 20: 43
          +1
          Wouldn't it disgust you to watch it? I've had enough of what they said
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 20: 45
            +3
            No, I'm interested, and I'm not disgusted. request
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 April 28 2021 20: 41
      +2
      Brrr. Well, there were times. Glad that those days are gone
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 20: 47
        +3
        Not everywhere, in Asia and South America this can be seen even today.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 29 2021 10: 20
          +1
          Not everywhere, in Asia and South America this can be seen even today.

          So yes, it is better not to be taken prisoner to some ... request
      2. kalibr
        April 28 2021 21: 13
        +3
        I once wrote an article about things that children should not insert into textbooks. And there were the myths of the Egyptians and Greeks ... those that are not taught in school. Look ... interesting. Keywords Set, Osiris, sperm and lettuce.
        1. Engineer
          Engineer April 28 2021 21: 18
          +5
          And you can also remember the "act of the winner", the inscriptions in Karnak about the victory of Mernept (Meneptach) and why in Scandinavia it was possible to kill a person for the word "ergi"
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 29 2021 10: 19
          +2
          And there were the myths of the Egyptians and Greeks ... those that are not taught in school.

          I briefly heard and read about the Nart epic. In general, everything was extremely intricate with a number of characters. wink In comparison with them, our Ilya Muromets is a lazy infantile on the stove. wassat
          and salad.

          At the word "salad" I remember Heliogabalus. Yes, exactly your article. laughing
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 28 2021 19: 39
    +5
    "59 sons and 60 daughters", but the question is: how many sons did he survive? For example: Louis 14 was inherited by a grandson. And the sons died heirs
    This is the first question.
    Now the question is two: which of his heirs was a worthy successor?
    I think that no one
    1. kalibr
      April 28 2021 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: vladcub
      The second question: did his heirs become famous for something significant? Most probably not.

      All this is on the Web, Vyacheslav. I am no longer interested in writing about this. I'm working on a completely different topic.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub April 29 2021 14: 57
        +1
        I don’t mind. If the topic is interesting, I agree
    2. Richard
      Richard April 28 2021 20: 52
      +5
      The Egyptian-Hittite peace treaty (also an eternal or silver agreement, rarely the Kadesh agreement) is the only surviving Middle Eastern agreement concluded between the Hittite kingdom and Ancient Egypt in the 21st year of the reign of Pharaoh Ramses II (November 10, 1259 BC. (21 day of the season will peret))
      The first historically documented peace treaty. Existed in two versions, ancient Egyptian and Hittite. With this treaty, the rulers of both states - Ramses II and Hattusili III concluded a non-aggression pact, recognized each other as allies, promised to provide military support from external or internal enemies and expel "refugees". The peace treaty was sealed by a marriage between the daughter of Hattusili, who received the Egyptian name Maathornefrura, and Pharaoh Ramses II (for the 33rd year of his reign)
      The treaty comes after the documented Battle of Kadesh, which took place 16 years before the treaty was concluded. Kadesh, however, is not mentioned in the text of the agreement.
    3. Andobor
      Andobor April 29 2021 02: 12
      +1
      Quote: vladcub
      And the sons died heirs
      This is the first question.
      Now the question is two: which of his heirs was a worthy successor?

      The 13th son inherited, Ramses the Great did not have worthy successors, he ruled at the end of the Bronze Age, then the collapse of the Bronze, when the whole world collapsed, many countries simply disappeared, Egypt resisted, but fell into a deep depression and never reached its former greatness. By the way, that's why his mummy was dragged along the stash for several centuries, hid from robbers, it was a terrible mess - the dark ages.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master April 28 2021 19: 41
    +5
    Thanks to the author for the article. I have never been interested in the history of Ancient Egypt, therefore, for me, articles of this direction are not only interesting, but also in many ways useful. Now I will know a little more.
    I just don't understand why such articles are published in the evening and not in the morning. This already really resembles a provocation on the part of the administration - to slip Samsonov and Frolova in the morning, and in the evening Ryzhov, Vaschenko and Shpakovsky, preferably in one more day. wassat I would very much like it to be the other way around: to publish Ryzhov, Vaschenko and Shpakovsky in the morning and more often, but Samsonov and Frolova ... do not need to. Or let them rest in peace on Opinions ...
    If the administration is so interested in promoting these authors, then Opinions are the place for them. There will be both readability and commentability and positive reviews in large numbers. And here, in the impoverished and fastidious "History" we can be left to boil in our own juice, without adding fecal spices. smile
    Well, if the question is about the need to conduct discussions on the site about the greatness of the Slavic-Aryans and the significance of fiery Orthodoxy, then personally I am ready to defend these positions in the comments under the articles of authors I like. I will become an apologist for Samsonov.
    Consider that I have gone over to the camp of pseudo-historians, if it is necessary for the site. I am ready to endure beatings and humiliation, just not to see some authors in the "History" section.
    So.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, and what are you talking about Russian (sorry, Russian) princes do not write anything? Here you glorify the wretched Semitic-Reptilian civilization of some Egypt, and that this very Ramses was just a bastard of the slave of the Great Scythian-Aryan emperor Burivoy the Mighty, expelled by this emperor from Arkona for corrupting a minor bull and sent to provincial Egypt into exile, to improve the gene pool of local crocodiles?
    How much can one extol the history of the Masters of the West and neglect our native hundred-million-year history?
    So it goes, eh, administration?
    wassat
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 April 28 2021 20: 03
      +4
      Michael, you are 2+, but you will see the second next time
      1. kalibr
        April 28 2021 20: 10
        +5
        Yes, but someone has already put a minus on him. His humor is not pleasant ...
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master April 28 2021 20: 40
          +6
          I have personal minus scorers and I "drink" on them with the intonation of Arkady Raikin. laughing
          In such matters, I adhere to extreme subjectivity.
          For example, how can you tell a good person from a bad person? Smart from stupid? Good from evil? It's very simple: the first ones love and respect me, and the second ones either don't like and don't respect me, or are indifferent, the first ones give me pluses, the second ones - minuses. The pros make you happy with how many good people are around, the minuses make you happy with the fact that against whose background you seem even smarter and more beautiful. laughing wassat laughing
          And about the time of publication of articles, Vyacheslav Olegovich, if you have influence on the administration, ask the editor to publish you in the morning. There is time to read and think and talk, and then in the evening I came home, while I had dinner, while I talked with my family, then, syo, I drank tea - once! - it's already ten in the evening. When to crackle with colleagues? request
          smile
          1. kalibr
            April 28 2021 21: 14
            +3
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            if you have influence on the administration, ask the editor to publish you in the morning.

            You have already written!
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master April 28 2021 22: 25
              +4
              Your opinion is more important. smile hi
        2. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 April 28 2021 21: 18
          +5
          Perhaps the miner has a complete lack of sense of humor.? There are such people
      2. Richard
        Richard April 28 2021 21: 00
        +5
        Michael, you are 2+, but you will see the second next time

        Well, Vera, you burn good - "Then, next time"
        Directly some kind of "Hello, I'm your aunt turns out smile
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 28 2021 21: 23
      +7
      Quote: Trilobite Master

      Vyacheslav Olegovich, and what are you talking about Russian (sorry, Russian) princes do not write anything? Here you glorify the wretched Semitic-Reptilian civilization of some Egypt, and that this very Ramses was just a bastard of the slave of the Great Scythian-Aryan emperor Burivoy the Mighty, expelled by this emperor from Arkona for corrupting a minor bull and sent to provincial Egypt into exile, to improve the gene pool of local crocodiles?
      How much can one extol the history of the Masters of the West and neglect our native hundred-million-year history?
      So it goes, eh, administration?
      wassat

      And it was like this ...
      He lived in the glorious city of Asgard, a Slavorus, who knows how to distinguish Truth from Krivda, named Burivoy. While his peers from Reptilian Street once a week tried to seduce a cyanotic chicken, he 7 times a month came to a beautiful juvenile bull with a pack of Thracian incense from the Rhodope and East German ribbons, on the scarlet background of which verses were printed in gold letters in ancient Slavic Aryan beauty two, of the three earthly moons (the third was already occupied with the help of Stalin by the true masters of the FRS - the gray-skinned oligarch Lubavich-Chubais-Rotenberg).
      And now, unable to resist the charms of a gallant young man, the bull (censored), then the Burevoy (censored), and when they got to the most interesting, for this occupation they were caught by the Supreme Lord of the city of Asgard of the Irian Omsk Region Daidozh Perunovich Viy.
      This is how the history of modern Egypt began, taken from the Slavic Ariya Mursi by the pro-Western junta Al-Sisi (in the test) ...
      1. vladcub
        vladcub April 28 2021 21: 34
        +5
        Taak, and Alik moved to the camp of the Fomenkovtsev. And what is this going on, where are we going to come?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 28 2021 21: 47
          +2
          Each Aryan - a Slav, each Slav - a bottle of mash!
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 April 28 2021 22: 02
            +6
            Is the price of Aryan 1 bottle of mash? Too expensive?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar April 28 2021 23: 07
              +4
              Competition-with hi
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku April 29 2021 11: 18
                +4
                Each Aryan - a Slav, each Slav - a bottle of mash!

                - They do not drink only in heaven, but in Russia - who do not bring it! (film "The Monk and the Demon", words of the Demon). laughing
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 April 29 2021 16: 15
                  +2
                  Nice film, Nikolai!
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku April 30 2021 11: 33
                    +3
                    Nice film, Nikolai!

                    Awesome! good And already plundered into quotes. drinks
                    1. ee2100
                      ee2100 April 30 2021 11: 42
                      +2
                      I don’t watch modern Russian films, with rare exceptions, and then only on recommendation, but this one stands out a lot.
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku April 30 2021 12: 15
                        +2
                        I don’t watch modern Russian films, with rare exceptions, and then only on recommendation, but this one stands out a lot.

                        Just about, it also bribed me!
            2. vladcub
              vladcub April 29 2021 15: 05
              +3
              Not a fig conspired on balls
      2. Richard
        Richard April 28 2021 22: 00
        +5
        He lived in the glorious city of Asgard, a Slavorus, who knows how to distinguish Truth from Krivda, named Burivoy.

        Not in Asgard, but in Surgut, and not in Burivaya, but in Drilling yes
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 28 2021 23: 08
          +3
          Not in Surgut, but in Sukhumi, not Burova, but Planova hi
      3. ee2100
        ee2100 April 28 2021 22: 01
        +5
        Feels like a blank! It means it's boiling, or maybe not. Then a link to Torah.
        1. Richard
          Richard April 28 2021 22: 49
          +5
          Sasha, where does Torah come from in Surgut? request
          But Drilling is definitely there, the age of Pasha Volya is not to be seen yes
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 28 2021 23: 09
          +5
          Quote: ee2100
          Feels like a blank! It means it's boiling, or maybe not. Then a link to Torah.

          https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тора
          Please request
      4. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master April 28 2021 22: 21
        +4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        And it was like this ...

        What am I talking about? If the article had been published in the morning, now, in the evening, we would have glorified our Aryan hyperhistory so much that we don't need Samsonov. laughing
        And now there is no time, it's time to sleep ... request
        1. Liam
          Liam April 28 2021 22: 38
          +1
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          And now there is no time

          And thank God ... otherwise your collective so-called banter competes in the degree of unreadability with the creations of its addressees.
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master April 28 2021 23: 25
            +5
            Who is here? Oh, no, it seemed ...
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 28 2021 23: 11
          +5
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          Quote: Krasnodar
          And it was like this ...

          What am I talking about? If the article had been published in the morning, now, in the evening, we would have glorified our Aryan hyperhistory so much that we don't need Samsonov. laughing
          And now there is no time, it's time to sleep ... request

          Duc if at 18:00 Samsonov-Frolov will be published, hto read them - will it be discussed? what
    3. vladcub
      vladcub April 28 2021 21: 29
      +6
      Misha, I would welcome this, but Messrs. Samsonovs, Apukhtin, Kharluzhny and Co. will not agree
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master April 28 2021 22: 24
        +5
        Quote: vladcub
        disagree

        You don't need to ask them. There is no need to publish them, let alone ask. But we are humane people - I am not trying to deprive them of the opportunity to express their thoughts, I am simply asking you to transfer them to a more suitable environment for them. For their own good and peace of mind.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub April 29 2021 15: 01
          +2
          We will organize the collection of signatures. We care about such and such: we want them to be better and tyry pyry
  • Shahno
    Shahno April 28 2021 19: 43
    +2
    "After all, before that, the Egyptians, having robbed the cities of Syria and Palestine,"
    Didn't understand which cities in Syria? Palestine, at the time of the pharaohs there seemed to be another state there .. laughing
    1. kalibr
      April 28 2021 20: 04
      +1
      Quote: Shahno
      Didn't understand which cities in Syria? Palestine, at the time of the pharaohs, there seemed to be another state.

      What literate we are, well, we must. It's easier and faster for me to write "Syria". For the vast majority of VO readers, this will work and will not cause objections. Clear?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 28 2021 21: 25
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Shahno
        Didn't understand which cities in Syria? Palestine, at the time of the pharaohs, there seemed to be another state.

        What literate we are, well, we must. It's easier and faster for me to write "Syria". For the vast majority of VO readers, this will work and will not cause objections. Clear?

        Vyacheslav Olegovich, what about Syria? Northeastern Eretz Israel
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 April 28 2021 19: 59
    +2
    Colleagues, Vyacheslav Olegovich, good evening. It's nice that I didn't have to wait long
    1. kalibr
      April 28 2021 20: 08
      0
      It does not depend on me, Astra! When the topic is interesting and there is material, I write quickly. This time the editor did his best - he gave this material ahead of others. And here we often scold the administration of the site. And she tries!
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 April 28 2021 21: 10
        +2
        May God bless that editor
  • zenion
    zenion April 28 2021 20: 04
    +8
    He was an ordinary man. He worked with chariots. Then he came up with the idea that if the chariots were equipped with devices for using them in battles in the dark, then everyone could be defeated. And he came up with such a contraption and took a patent from the priests for the manufacture of a device, which he called a headlight. And his whole family began to be called pharaohs. In this business, he made a lot of money and opened several huge factories. Then he learned from a Jew from Meatopotamia that there would be no harvests for seven years. He bought up, ahead of time, all the grain. When the hunger strike began, he sold grain and soon everyone fell into bondage to him. The hunger strike ended only in the thirties of the twentieth century. Of the Egyptians, the part of the population who were called Ukrainians suffered the most. We dug three spikelets every minute. For this they hit the wall in the pyramids. It was he who forced them to dig the Black Sea and the channel from the other world into the one that is still used today.
  • alimov76
    alimov76 April 28 2021 20: 08
    -4
    iha iha ooo
    they will give me something to write
    1. alimov76
      alimov76 April 28 2021 20: 08
      -3
      sosodsroyusrosroyusroy
    2. alimov76
      alimov76 April 28 2021 20: 13
      -2
      a strange concept to appreciate the greatness of the then regilious figure
      let's say so about the owl elephants and other horses
      but again five thousand characters
      how did they live
      what were you thinking
      what did you drink
      who was loved
      and this is so from our worldview for popular fiction
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 28 2021 21: 41
        +4
        Nicely moved off the acid on the first good laughing
        Moreover, judging by the posts, very quickly good
  • Richard
    Richard April 28 2021 20: 40
    +8
    Childhood depiction of Ramses II with a curl of youth, Louvre

    mummy of Ramses II in the Cairo Museum


    1. ee2100
      ee2100 April 28 2021 21: 21
      +4
      Dmitry, hello! Where is Shpakovsky without you! Photo class! And the additions are worthy.
      The apologist will start pecking at me, but not for long, at 22-00
      1. kalibr
        April 28 2021 21: 24
        +5
        All photos from Wikipedia article. I cannot use them. Richard can.
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 April 28 2021 21: 30
          +4
          Good evening!
          Why can't you?
          A purely utilitarian question
          1. kalibr
            April 29 2021 06: 21
            +1
            The fact is that there are copyright in the photo. Therefore, the authors of the articles are highly recommended to use only public domain photos, that is, those in public ownership or those over 100 years old. Or their own, or having received permission. There are a lot of photos on the web that are available under licenses. Licenses are different. The devil himself will break his head in them. But violation of them is fraught ... For you, as a person writing in VO, it is very important to remember this. In addition, even if the photo is public domain, but belongs to a museum, website, library, it is obligatory to indicate the origin.
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  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 28 2021 20: 51
    +6
    “Listen to what I tell you,
    So that you can be king over the earth,
    So that you can be the ruler of countries ...
    Be callous towards all subordinates!
    People are wary of those who keep them at bay.
    Don't go near them when you're alone
    Don't rely on your brother
    Don't know a friend
    And may you not have confidants -
    It doesn't make any sense.
    When you sleep, take precautions yourself.
    For there are no friends
    On a wicked day. "

    This is how it turns out that the Russian principle of "places not so remote", "Do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask", has the deepest historical roots.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. kalibr
      April 28 2021 21: 16
      +2
      And everything has deep roots. The Egyptians were the first to write about the fact that young people are "victims of the Unified State Exam"! Make, they say, a scribe, and you are too lazy to write hieroglyphs! The same, the same meaning ...
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave April 28 2021 21: 43
        +5
        The Egyptians were the first to write about the fact that young people are "victims of the Unified State Exam"!
        Well yes!
        "Come in large numbers here, to our Nile! Damned prostitutes and drug addicts!"
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 28 2021 23: 17
          +6
          Thebes is not rubber - welcome, Anton! hi
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku April 29 2021 10: 25
            +3
            Thebes is not rubber - welcome, Anton!

            "Suitcase - chariot - Crete!" fellow Hello everyone! drinks
    2. depressant
      depressant April 28 2021 21: 53
      +6
      Anton, I’ll add. All these principles have been used by many modern Russian writers to characterize the relationship between artifact miners - stalkers who hunt in the Pripyat Zone created by the imagination of the writers. And given that the Zone is a metaphorical image of today's Russia, it turns out that, according to writers who see deeper, further and more than us, ordinary readers, ancient principles flourish not only in places that are not so remote, but also in our society as a whole.
      And someone regards Vyacheslav Olegovich's article as having nothing to do with politics wassat Everything is related to politics - even the aforementioned Abu Simbel evokes associations.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave April 28 2021 22: 07
        +3
        ancient principles flourish not only in places not so remote, but also in our society as a whole.
        Mon ami, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
        They are, in fact, characteristic of any Cro-Magnon.
        1. depressant
          depressant April 28 2021 22: 29
          +4
          Yes, but the hypocrisy of the modern political system is aimed at convincing the layman that the ruling class is fed, drunk and has a nose in tobacco to a degree inconsistent with the efforts spent, not because we are a Cro-Magnon society, but because we are a highly developed civilization, not Egypt we are the era of Ramses II.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 28 2021 22: 40
            +5
            Lyudmila Yakovlevna, you may not believe, but the overwhelming majority of human beings, in the entire history of the chronicles, worked simply "for food", and we, against their background, are snickering bastards.
            1. depressant
              depressant April 28 2021 23: 07
              +5
              Why, I willingly believe)))
              Come on - get the beast, skin it, gut it, spit it ... And we can assume that the tribe will have to feed on that beast for a week, or even more - the beast does not always run to the catcher.
              I imagined how I was catching an animal in a Cro-Magnon way - it's ridiculous! I get it at the nearest store and I do not need to take it in its entirety.
              But, you know, it all depends on the circumstances. Experts threaten such an economic crisis that the people may learn to huddle in flocks and begin to hunt for a random passer-by wassat ))))
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 April 29 2021 18: 44
              0
              Yes. And most of us find it hard to imagine how hungry you can be. And for the future - not to eat.
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 28 2021 20: 53
    +7
    "where the Egyptians killed them at night in a dream" it is immediately clear that their commander is a fool of the heavenly king: the camp is not fortified, the sentries are not posted. Come and take it "lukewarm"
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 April 28 2021 21: 07
    +3
    "In only one sparsely populated area, he killed seven thousand" in fairness, Ramses was there a nominal leader, but in reality some military leader commanded. What was he called there: apparently, temnik, or whatever else it doesn't matter
  • depressant
    depressant April 28 2021 21: 26
    +4
    Amazing people - the Hittites! They left such scanty written evidence about themselves that everything that is known about them was obtained by archaeologists from excavations and from the written evidence of their constant enemies - the Egyptians, Assyrians and Babylonians, as well as from references to them in the Bible. And now Ramses II of the 19th dynasty became related. Whose achievement - Ramses or Hittites?)))
    I'm also used to saying "Ramses".
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ April 28 2021 22: 43
      +4
      I'm also used to saying "Ramses".

      So do I. German reading of the text - "s" in front of a vowel is pronounced as "z"
      1. kalibr
        April 29 2021 06: 14
        0
        If you follow the Egyptian style of reading, then you can call him Rameses, Ramossa, Rams and everything will be right.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 28 2021 21: 56
    +4
    The devil only knows.
    Under Ramses the second did not have to live much.
    Although for sure, he was a giant of thought, a friend of animals and a wonderful family man.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave April 28 2021 22: 22
      +4
      Leader of Egyptian Athletes and Inspiration of Their Victories.
      1. depressant
        depressant April 28 2021 23: 11
        +5
        Oh yeah! Of course, an excellent family man - judging by the number of children. Did he even know them by name?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 28 2021 23: 19
          +7
          Quote: depressant
          Oh yeah! Of course, an excellent family man - judging by the number of children. Did he even know them by name?

          "Gavrila was a good husband
          Gavrila loved his wives "(c)
          1. depressant
            depressant April 28 2021 23: 25
            +6
            And every day he is a lot of them
            Gave sperm!

            I apologize if I offended someone's innocent shyness wassat
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar April 28 2021 23: 30
              +5
              And the way it was the wives
              I didn't pick up anything drinks
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 28 2021 23: 19
        +6
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Leader of Egyptian Athletes and Inspiration of Their Victories.

        Comrade Ramses
        You are a great scientist ..
        1. depressant
          depressant April 28 2021 23: 27
          +5
          And, enclosed in a shell of stone,
          You have an advantage over everyone.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 28 2021 23: 31
            +2
            Straight Oleshkovsky good laughing
            1. depressant
              depressant April 29 2021 08: 16
              +3
              Modestly so, from "Epic".

              Gavrila served as a stone cutter,
              He created a monument to the leader,
              But due to wear time
              That Pharaoh was not eternal.

              And therefore faceless faces,
              Their sameness is the canon,
              Board - the era lasts,
              Today you, and tomorrow - he.

              Always dividing into parts:
              That slave and this one is Pharaoh,
              Gavrila is an impartial sculptor,
              A throne built by slaves.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 29 2021 09: 08
                +2
                Cool ))
                But there is already good classical Russian literature, not the words of a chanson or Gabrieliada
                1. depressant
                  depressant April 29 2021 09: 29
                  +2
                  Albert, good morning and my compliments! hi
                  Yes, at least some kind of literature. The power of the cunning, that means the rich, skillfully turns the conflict between themselves and the stupid, that means the poor, into a conflict between the stupid poor and the smart poor. Because nature has divided us into cunning and not so. Both those and others were provided with the tools of adaptability to their predetermined position. It is impossible to break out of the frame. Therefore, the highly intelligent, who have taken off, often fall, and the cunning ones - very rarely.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 29 2021 10: 09
                    +1
                    My respect, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
                    There is always someone smarter, stronger, lucky laughing Well-feeling sly ones not only fall, but are also smashed to smithereens - there are no suckers left at the top of the food chain, and for every cunning nature there are always generally unprincipled and ruthless keys with appropriate carvings)).
                    1. depressant
                      depressant April 29 2021 10: 50
                      +2
                      Agree )))
                      There, at the top, there is now such a battle for the steering wheel that they are ready to throw us into the war for the right to turn it. Only the horror of unpredictable consequences stops.
                      I went through a similar experience, and how sweet the memories of times of peace! Perhaps even this strange spring with snow outside the window at the end of April, after the years have passed, will seem like a blissful idyll.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 28 2021 22: 25
    +6
    Wonderful ZhZL about the affairs of Ramses!
    Probably the cat topic has not been disclosed! laughing For "victims of the exam" in the 5th grade, a more detailed version of the "cat" and "snake" is offered.
    1. Andobor
      Andobor April 29 2021 02: 25
      +3
      Apop is the most cunning beast, Amon-Ra cuts off Apop's head, and Apop grows it out again, and so on ad infinitum.
  • Neogumanoyd
    Neogumanoyd April 28 2021 22: 36
    +6
    Thank you! It is very interesting and written in a language that is understandable for an ordinary person !!!
  • faterdom
    faterdom April 29 2021 00: 22
    +4
    Interestingly, the name Ramses is still in authority ...
    So, for example, was the name of the negative protagonist of the first Soviet film about organized crime with Anna Samokhina and Gaft in roles - "Thieves in law".
    That is, a trace in History left such that it is an honor to be Ramses, not like, say, Nebuchadnezzar, or Herod (and after all, he was also considered the Great).
    1. Andobor
      Andobor April 29 2021 02: 28
      +3
      Quote: faterdom
      Ramses is honorable

      their 11 Ramses, this one is the coolest, and the one in the picture 12 is not real, cinematic, but cinema, experts say good, the most authentic.
  • Andobor
    Andobor April 29 2021 02: 38
    +4
    had fair skin and was typologically African Berbers
    The grandfather of Ramses the Great, the founder of the 19th dynasty, Ramses I, was a high-ranking military man from the Hykos - nomads who first conquered Upper Egypt, and then served in the Egyptian army.
  • faterdom
    faterdom April 29 2021 08: 15
    +2
    Quote: Andobor
    their Ramses 11, this is the coolest, and the one in the picture is the 12th,

    I think neither the hero Gaft himself, nor those who walked under him, thought so deeply.
    Everyone knows Ramses, and if someone beguiled the Ramses ... Ramses will figure it out.
    1. depressant
      depressant April 29 2021 09: 45
      +2
      In any case, Ramses dealt with the nomads, but they were not a mistake, and in turn were able to deal with him. Here, as they say, I found a scythe on a stone.
      Here's a fun example.

      Most often, the Hittites fought precisely with the ancient Egyptians, and before one of the battles they used a very ingenious move. The cat is a sacred animal in ancient Egypt, she personified the cat goddess Bastet and was very revered by the Egyptians, and for the murder of a cat, as well as for the murder of a person, the death penalty was even assumed. Knowing about such a strong love of the Egyptians for tailed and mustachioed four-legged pets, the Hittite warriors tied live cats and cats to their shields. Seeing this, the Egyptians simply abandoned the battle ...


      That is why Ramses had to solve the problem of the Hittites by dynastic marriages.
  • depressant
    depressant April 29 2021 14: 17
    +1
    Special terms are always a little annoying. You read and get stuck. To pretend that I understand is to deceive yourself. For example, in the comments to the photos illustrating the article, cartouches are mentioned. What is it ...

    Cartouche - from French cartouche - ornamental edging in the form of a scroll with folded corners ", the Italians with a similar sounding short word also denote a whole story - cartoccio" paper roll, bag, bag for a powder charge " the edges of the scroll with the emblem or coat of arms.


    But many times I saw this on the emblems and not only. Ladies, some flying, in fluttering tunics holding such a scroll or shield, and now, I did not realize that it was a cartouche. Map? Code of laws?
  • Shahno
    Shahno April 29 2021 17: 40
    +1
    Quote: Shahno
    "After all, before that, the Egyptians, having robbed the cities of Syria and Palestine,"
    Didn't understand which cities in Syria? Palestine, at the time of the pharaohs there seemed to be another state there .. laughing

    Yes, everything is fine. I just would like to read an article by a person who is in the subject, and not so "tells fairy tales." If he understands that Syria and Palestine at that time is Canaan, then he writes so.
    Ps. I apologize for being too picky ..
    1. depressant
      depressant April 29 2021 20: 33
      +2
      Come on, colleague, don't worry!)))
      It's just that the principle is this: Vyacheslav Olegovich skillfully sets an interesting topic, and then those who wish come and supplement it with extensive comments, demonstrating to everyone their deep erudition)))
      So you could do that, right? Along the way, in a polite manner, adding his remark. This is not a reading room, like I took a book, read it, handed it back and silently left - satisfied or dissatisfied. Lively discussions start here, visitors exchange opinions. I looked at others and showed myself))))
      I'm sure you have something to say.