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"Russia would have had more difficulty now than in 2014": Polish media assessed the current state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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In 2014, when the conflict began in Donbass, the Ukrainian army was in a deplorable situation. As noted by the Polish author Maciej Kuharczyk, it was quite difficult to assemble even a unit of several hundred soldiers that could be equipped with modern weapons. Since then, 7 years have passed and the state of the Ukrainian army has changed significantly.


It was the plight of Ukraine and its security forces in 2014 that caused the success of Russia in Crimea and pro-Russian forces in Donbas, the Polish observer is sure. Dariusz Materniak, the editor-in-chief of the Polukr.net portal, shares a similar position. He believes that now Russia would have to attract much more forces than in 2014, and it would no longer be possible to conduct a covertly armed operation against Ukraine.

New equipment and Turkish drones


Polish analysts see the greatest progress in the equipment of Ukrainian military personnel. Seven years ago, the Ukrainian army was content with the ammunition inherited from the USSR, but now almost all combat units are equipped with modern equipment purchased from the United States and Poland.

Great progress is also being observed in the field of communications: in 2014, the military had to keep in touch using ordinary mobile phones, since the old Soviet radio stations were already out of order. Now the Ukrainian army receives new radio stations from Western countries and equips its units with them.

Armament is a separate issue. Despite the obvious economic problems, Kiev has managed to make progress in this area in 7 years. Maciej Kukharchik writes that today it would be easier for the Ukrainian military to cope with the Russian offensive. tanks... For example, the Ukrainian Armed Forces purchased 37 American Javelin MANPADS.

The situation has also changed with the equipment of the Ukrainian army with modern heavy equipment. Thus, a partial modernization of the T-64 and T-72 tanks was carried out, which still form the basis of the tank power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The tanks are equipped with night vision devices, modern fire control systems, active protection. Also, armored vehicles of both Ukrainian and foreign production continue to arrive in the Armed Forces of Ukraine: wheeled BTR-3 and BTR-4, "Kozak-2".

The prospect of using the APU of unmanned aerial vehicles is of great interest. Not so long ago, Ukraine acquired 17 Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 UAVs. The Ukrainian military is carefully studying the experience of using drones during the recent conflict in Karabakh, where the Azerbaijani army also used Turkish drones. The development of ties between Kiev and Ankara does not exclude the possibility of increasing the supply of Turkish UAVs to Ukraine.


The fleet is Ukraine's "Achilles heel"


At the same time, the Polish observer sees the weaknesses of the Ukrainian armed forces. First, it is aviation, which is represented by old Soviet aircraft. Now Kiev is negotiating the purchase of any relatively modern fighters in the West, for example, the F-16, but this is a very distant prospect: Dariusz Maternyak believes that Ukraine will be able to buy aircraft in the West no earlier than in 7-8 years. But after all, they are already talking about confrontation with Russia in Ukraine today.

Secondly, it is the fleet. The Ukrainian Navy is in a much more deplorable state than the ground forces, and this is primarily due to the loss of the Crimea and the naval base in Sevastopol. Weakness fleet is the "Achilles' heel" of modern Ukraine. If Russia wants, it can easily block the operating Ukrainian ports and land its troops anywhere.

The only thing that Ukrainians can hope for today in terms of repelling an attack from the sea is the development of coastal defense systems, including the appearance of ground-based systems of Neptune anti-ship missiles in service with the Naval Forces of Ukraine.

But even the weakness of the Navy does not make Ukraine completely defenseless. Today, Russia would have had a much harder time than in 2014 if it had decided to go to war with a neighboring state, the Polish author said.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 23 2021 10: 30
    +6
    "It was the plight of Ukraine and its power structures in 2014 that became the reason for the success of the pro-Russian forces in Donbass, the Polish observer is sure."

    Yeah, militias with WWII anti-tank systems and Berdanks against Ukrainian Oplotov and BMPs is the very thing ...
    1. hrych
      hrych April 23 2021 10: 59
      +16
      When they say that now the Ukrainian Armed Forces are not the same as in 2014, but what has actually changed? Equipping with technology? Isn't this the same technique that the mountain was already. Did the Javelins give? And what's the point, because strategic bombers and submarines were not given laughing Has the number changed? Not really. Is the skill better? And until 2014, they did not teach anything at all? Did the pears ramble? Perhaps there was preparation? Has the quality lineup improved? And why is it? On the contrary, they recruited the Westerners and displaced the Eastern Ukrainians. You think the general store is clearer and more skillful. than people from industrial areas? I doubt it. Are the generals cooler? Where did you come from? Suvorovs and Skobelevs fell from the moon? Where does Ushak-Pasha's ears stick out from? wassat On the other hand, irregular, scattered detachments with field commanders and whatever weapons of the LDNR turned into a real, cohesive and trained army. Pretty well equipped. Maybe theirs Supreme Cool? wassat So this is a fussing, timid comedian, running around in an armor-diaper. Apparently for this will go to the miracle-heroes to break the wall wassat Something tells me that the coolness of the APU versus the APU, sample 2014 ... is very exaggerated.
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 23 2021 11: 16
        +6
        As for the zapadentsev in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it really sucks. It consists mainly of the southeast and center of Ukraine. If only because these are the most populated areas, and the economic situation forces it from there to go to the troops under the contract. Zapadenskie thugs are not fools to substitute Bosko. They are in warm places, who are where. And there are enough of them to hit the West. Stupid nema. And what about the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? The most important thing is that they have gained experience, no matter what they say. You can't cover them with hats. And to spend on them expensive high-grade weapons, so they will not go for it. With mongrels you will have to live next door. I can see it for sure now. There will be regular exacerbations, regular exercises with us and ... "next peremogi" with idiots.
        1. krot
          krot April 23 2021 11: 57
          +2
          I think it would be much easier for the Sumerians to fight our army, which was in 2014, than with today's)
        2. g1v2
          g1v2 April 23 2021 12: 01
          +5
          Regarding the fact that mainly natives of Russian cities in the southeast and the center, I agree. First of all, these are Kuev and Dneprokalomoisk. But about the experience, no. What experience have they had over the past 6 years? Sitting in trenches and blues? There are, of course, divisions that carry out actions and send others, but there are not so many of them. 30-40 year old equipment has become 7 years older. Of course, she is being repaired and shamanized, but she is not getting any younger. Again, it is not capitalized enough, but it is being repaired mainly so that it can reach the front. Tch here any real growth of combat effectiveness is not visible.
          1. Black lotos
            Black lotos April 23 2021 13: 04
            +5
            Quote: g1v2
            Regarding the fact that mainly natives of Russian cities in the southeast and the center, I agree.

            in 2015 the backbone of the mobilization of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - the central regions (plus Nikolaevskaya)
            further more - now Donetsk and Luhansk regions are a lot.
            As for the western regions, the Lviv region is the most numerous of the three.
            the myth of the "Westerners" has never been confirmed. The core of the central + southern regions has remained.
          2. hrych
            hrych April 23 2021 13: 38
            -1
            Quote: g1v2
            ato are mostly natives of Russian cities

            Here, after all, the main officer corps. In 2005, Viktor Yushchenko and Yulia Tymoshenko transferred the Odessa Institute of Ground Forces to Lvov, merging it with the Lviv Institute of Ground Forces and creating the Petro Sagaidachny National Academy of Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (NASVai). And naturally, over these 15 years, there has been a change in the ethnic component of the officer corps. What they were striving for. The old cadres go into the reserve, and the young ones are already increasing the process of Svidomo.
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok April 23 2021 14: 29
              0
              Quote: hrych
              Quote: g1v2
              ato are mostly natives of Russian cities

              Here, after all, the main officer corps. In 2005, Viktor Yushchenko and Yulia Tymoshenko transferred the Odessa Institute of Ground Forces to Lvov, merging it with the Lviv Institute of Ground Forces and creating the Petro Sagaidachny National Academy of Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (NASVai). And naturally, over these 15 years, there has been a change in the ethnic component of the officer corps. What they were striving for. The old cadres go into the reserve, and the young ones are already increasing the process of Svidomo.

              As there was an institute in Odessa, it is still in Odessa. Only now it is called "academy".
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov April 25 2021 20: 24
                0
                "Russia would have had a harder time now than in 2014": Polish media assessed the current state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "

                Not sure. In addition, the Poles are lying: army Ukraine was not weaker than the current one, but it, at that moment, NOT was completely under the control of the Banderlog as it is now, although it did not have then thermal imagers, "Javelins", "Humvees" and "Bayraktarov". And the then militia and army of Russia were then much weaker than today's corps of the LPNR and the Russian army!
          3. VO3A
            VO3A April 23 2021 23: 42
            0
            From Kiev and Dnieper? Only homeless people, the unemployed, the sick and drug addicts ... no one else will go ... By the way, here is the composition of the privates in the trenches ... And the commanders are all from the category of semi-morons and for lard have been admitted to schools since 1997 .. They were handed over there so that they would not go to jail or be put on a needle, not drunk and learn to think or pretend at least a little .... And you are being told about the strength of the Judeo-Bandera army by Soviet traitors, Nazis and paid "smart little sluts" .. ..And who will believe them? Only the same from the category of TOBACCO .... And who can they defeat? Their homeland is a glass of moonshine and a hunk of bacon ..
        3. hrych
          hrych April 23 2021 12: 14
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          The most important thing is that they have gained experience,

          What kind of experience? Air strikes against civilians? Getting the regular army into the cauldrons of the irregulars? If NATO specialists will develop the operations? Well, there is one light there - the defeat of the Serbian Krajina by the Croats. But there was the betrayal of Milosevic and his puppet Martic? Belgrade did not intervene, the leadership of the Krajina fled, and the army of the Krajina, instead of defending, gave the order to retreat. So the fact of the matter is that Putin is not Milosevic. Therefore, the basis of Operation Oluya is a deal with Milosevic and a drain, but there is no purely military component there. Putin, on the other hand, deployed combat units and, without crossing the border, took the APU in pincers. And the LDNR army is not extras. The prognosis is favorable. Now the concentrated APU during a pandemic, will be re-infected with the coronavirus, move drugs, still demoralize and we'll see. West with the main plan - flew with Minsk. The United States realized that the conspiracy had failed when the destroyers were recalled. If the bespectacled people were arrested later, then the perpetrators, the military, were neutralized a few days earlier.
          1. 210ox
            210ox April 23 2021 12: 22
            +3
            As you have everything is simple And the experience only on the cauldrons and blue, on drugs, is demoralized. I communicate with one person, my classmate at the University. One of the four who ended up there and remained human. They are actually ready to fight with us, the daily treatment of each iron does the job. And yes, rearmament is underway there and this is not the rabble that was seven years ago.
            1. hrych
              hrych April 23 2021 13: 05
              +2
              Quote: 210ox
              wrong rabble

              I think an even bigger rabble. In part, we see media whipping, as a report to the West for money. Real combat effectiveness is tested only in battle. Saakashvili created such a media image that the current Armed Forces of Ukraine never dreamed of. In fact, they just smacked it harder, so they ran without looking back, throwing ammunition. Shapkozakidatelstva not, took them in the pincers of our, modern, trained and equipped army. Which has both Iskander and Caliber with Onyx in the nomenclature for suppressing air defense, airfields and control centers. What can they oppose to this? I do not know. And after that, how? Tanks and hydraulics laughing
              1. 210ox
                210ox April 23 2021 13: 45
                -1
                Remind you how our planes burned? Including Tu22m3? There, for the first two days, confusion reigned among the troops. The commander of the army was almost captured - there our soldiers laid their lives in ambush. I hope that they wound on a mustache.
                1. hrych
                  hrych April 23 2021 15: 44
                  +4
                  And to remind you how the phlebusters hung out the fluffy mattresses? Whimpering about losses is not our method, once you put on shoulder straps, then give your life more expensive. Well, the Compulsion to Peace was 12 years ago. And nothing, the enemy was smeared. Of course there were losses, but there was also experience. We made conclusions, including organizational staff. And planes also fall in peacetime. And this is a small price to pay for the control of the Great Range and a bridgehead on the coast and the beginning of the Lesser Caucasus. But after that there was also the brilliant Crimean operation, the liquidation of the Caliphate, etc. If you want to intimidate us now with "the most powerful army in Europe," it will not work. Worse than underestimating the enemy is his overestimation, smoothly turning into cowardice. The most important thing is that only our maneuvering has already caused liquid diarrhea of ​​the sbushniki. And your classmate svidomye speeches pushed with stale pants. And the so-called anti-experience of the ukrokaratels against the Syrian experience through which our specialists were driven out. Where we have worked out the use of Iskander with Calibers, we have worked out methods of dealing with drones, and there is simply our range of high-precision weapons and electronic warfare equipment. And when they say that two unbeaten ones are given for a beaten, that is nonsense. Broken, he's like a punched boxer wassat is afraid of everything and does not take a blow.
                  1. 210ox
                    210ox April 23 2021 16: 21
                    -2
                    Judging by your comments on the army (did not serve) you have an opinion from the media. And about the "punched boxer" you would tell our ancestors in 43rd. Lord, how many "vitalik-mikhans" ..
                    1. hrych
                      hrych April 23 2021 18: 10
                      +2
                      In 1941, at the Battle of Moscow, the Barbarossa plan was thwarted, and in 1942 there was the Battle of Stalingrad, passing in 1943, in which the Kursk Bulge was. In 1944 the Belarusian operation was one of the largest military operations in the history of mankind. Well, in 1945 Berlin ...
                      Quote: 210ox
                      our ancestors in 43 would have been told.
                      I do not know your ancestors, but ours, despite the tactical retreat, won all 5 great battles of that war. And the generals were traitors who put the Red Army on the brink of defeat, such as Pavlov and Vlasov, who were shot and who was hanged. If we extrapolate boxing, then our boxer backed away, tried to avoid being pinched into a corner, gave a territorial advantage, but inflicting tangible jabs, at the end of the round sent the opponent to the canvas in a deep knockdown. In the second round, the enemy slightly changed tactics and continued to attack, but at the end of the round he collapsed again, he was saved by the gong, but he could not recover. In the third and fourth, our boxer went on the offensive, seized a territorial advantage, pinned the opponent to the ropes, and he held on at the expense of character. At the beginning of the fifth, ours blew his head off. Therefore, for "novice historians" you need to know that our boxer (RKKA) has never even been knocked down. Yes, there was a tactical retreat, there were considerable losses, but there was no indiscriminate flight, there was an organized, planned evacuation, the economic potential was preserved and the factories taken to the Urals provided us with the best weapons, surpassing the production of all of Europe. The Red Army escaped defeat after a treacherous attack, imposed fierce resistance and inflicted a severe defeat on the enemy near Moscow, from which he never recovered.
                      Quote: 210ox
                      Lord, how many "vitalik-mikhans" ..

                      And you. like is it better here? laughing And do not compare the APU battered by the militias with the Red Army, compare it with Nachtigall and other OUN gang. And these military leaders, cretins, with your classmates, not having time to start the operation, have already fallen into the pincers wassat
                      1. 210ox
                        210ox April 23 2021 20: 27
                        -3
                        You probably either do not understand, or distorted what I wrote. Say that a broken boxer is a decommissioned fighter. And I cite the example of the Red Army in 43. When everyone believed that by the fall of the 42nd the USSR was over, but no. And comparing the APU of this year and 2014 is really stupid. Yes, and you have nothing to do with history. In the Soviet Union, you would be a good political informer. When did the Moscow battle end, and with what? In April 42, after the failure of the encirclement of Hitler's troops near Vyazma and an unsuccessful airborne operation. The Nazis were certainly defeated, but they quickly set off and six months later the "Blau" plan was launched, which could really lead them to victory.
                      2. hrych
                        hrych April 23 2021 22: 09
                        +1
                        I repeat, in the Second World War there were 5 grandiose battles, the rest of the operations were not of such a scale and decisive, fateful nature. Moreover, of these 5, the main two. This is the defeat of the Germans near Moscow and the Belarusian operation. If near Moscow they failed to break our spine, then in BO we broke their spine. For all the significance of Stalingrad, this cannot be compared with Operation Bagration. According to some sources, the Germans lost half a million soldiers. In fact, the fate of Berlin was decided by this battle. In turn, after the battle of Moscow, it became clear that it would not be possible to defeat us. And all their attempts were doomed, and Stalingrad was predetermined in the Moscow battle, like the subsequent Kursk. And on April 20 (D.R. Adolf) 1942, as it were, the end of the battle, but the decisive point was December 2, 1941, when the enemy's attacks on Moscow were finally repelled, the last rush to Moscow failed, and on December 4-5 a counteroffensive began and drove the enemy reverse. This is the key moment of the whole war. When the Germans were pounded near Moscow, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7. The Japanese plan of attack on the USSR was synchronized with the plan of Barbarossa, and when the latter failed completely, the attack was canceled, and the Japanese went according to plan "B". The Japanese were in an oil blockade (oil remained for several months) and, having captured the Far East of the USSR, from the Germans who had seized the European part of the USSR, they would have received oil. Provide the Japanese with fuel. When everything collapsed, there was no point in taking Primorye and so on; moreover, it would still require a large expenditure of fuel. And the Red Army still had to be defeated in the Far East. Therefore, having neutralized the American fleet for a while, the Japanese captured the wells of Indo-China, Indonesia, etc. Thanks to this oil, the Japanese held out not 4 months, but 4 years. That's the whole story, and iron, Japanese logic. Moreover, the Japanese waited literally until the last day. They hoped that Moscow would fall and the USSR would surrender. With the surrender of the Germans, in fact, for the Far East, and it would not be necessary to fight. And you say the APU, yes it is snot and it is smeared wassat
                      3. hrych
                        hrych April 24 2021 00: 44
                        +2
                        In the battle for Moscow, the Germans had almost two million, and we had a little more than a million, respectively, and they had twice as many planes, tanks and guns. Therefore, the double heroism of our fighters, who stopped the significantly (very) superior enemy forces and even went on the offensive. By all the laws of logic, it was impossible. At Stalingrad, by the beginning of the Red Army offensive, the Germans had a million, and we have less than 800 thousand. This is by the way that "they threw corpses." Millions of groups clashed in the Battle of Kursk. Therefore, we beat the forces superior to them, not to mention when the forces were equal. In the Belarusian operation, there were up to 4 million people on both sides and the greatest battle in the history of mankind.
                      4. Nevsky_ZU
                        Nevsky_ZU April 24 2021 08: 26
                        +2
                        Hrych, you are handsome !! hi
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 23 2021 23: 23
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      You can't cover them with hats. And to spend on them expensive high-grade weapons, so they will not go for it.

      They will just go - instead of hats, in which case, first they will throw "calibers" and "Iskander" into the breathing air defense that has remained on the incense, and then they will throw it in something simpler, like they throw broads in Syria ...
  2. NIKN
    NIKN April 23 2021 11: 26
    +4
    Here is the key phrase "It would ... would have to.", so that you can write whatever you like, because history has no subjunctive mood.
  3. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 April 23 2021 12: 51
    +2
    I think the "quality" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has grown compared to 2014. Experience has appeared.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 23 2021 23: 25
      0
      Quote: tatarin1972
      Experience has appeared.

      Experience of what? Wars with a well-organized and well-equipped enemy that uses aircraft, cruise missiles and electronic warfare systems? There is perhaps the experience of shelling civilians and worse armed and smaller militias, against whom they do not dare to go into direct confrontation ...
      1. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 April 24 2021 08: 42
        -2
        Do you remember our 1995 army? We were in the same condition. There is already the ability to perform certain tactical tasks, the units are cobbled together.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 24 2021 14: 24
          0
          Quote: tatarin1972
          Do you remember our 1995 army? We were in the same condition.

          There were, only you can count how much money we have invested in our army since then and how much Ukrainians ...
          Quote: tatarin1972
          Already have the ability to perform certain tactical tasks

          Well, yes - conducting a positional war, which in the event of a clash with Russia will be strongly non-positional ...
          Quote: tatarin1972
          subdivisions are cobbled together.

          That's it, that they are hammered together, and not cohesive and not worked ...
          What motivation is there? If it starts seriously, half of them will run prisoner, the other to the Polish border ...
  4. Potomac
    Potomac April 24 2021 10: 37
    -2
    Here you are wrong. I served both before the start of the war and long after. The difference is huge. The technique is essentially the same, but it exists, it works in a combat-ready state. At the beginning of 2014 in my brigade of 36 tanks, in BG there were 4, what else to talk about ?! Equipping with surveillance equipment and, most importantly, communications equipment, is three heads higher. The number, well, from about 140 thousand, increased to 250, this is only the ZSU. And they added NSU, at least there are basically the same explosives, but there are very sensible units sharpened specifically for the war, with tanks and artillery.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 24 2021 14: 26
      0
      And what will all this, pray tell, do against a massive attack by cruise missiles on its air defense batteries, headquarters, ammunition depots, communications centers? And then what will they do with the aviation that is ironing them out like broads in Syria, which has nothing to shoot down with, because all the air defenses have already been covered by "calibers", "Iskander" and other X-101s?
  • Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 23 2021 10: 32
    +2
    Eh, how much more difficult it will be for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in our mood, Polish experts have no idea ...
    1. private person
      private person April 23 2021 11: 02
      +5
      For example, the Ukrainian Armed Forces purchased 37 American Javelin MANPADS.

      They probably naively believe that Russia, if something happens, will throw its tanks and infantry on these Jivalins. But the days of frontal attacks are over.
      1. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima April 23 2021 11: 10
        -2
        But the days of frontal attacks are over.

        Well, let's just say, no matter how regrettable, our task in many respects comes down to this, plus to work in depth with art, and then how will it trample)
        Well, to attract when considering the possibility of Russia's participation, and even with such conclusions, this is dumbbellism the most natural)
      2. Nirvanko
        Nirvanko April 23 2021 12: 08
        -4
        Someone has a short memory, they have already forgotten about the New Year's assault on Grozny.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 23 2021 23: 27
          0
          Quote: Nirvanko
          Someone has a short memory, they have already forgotten about the New Year's assault on Grozny.

          Oha, nothing has changed since that assault, we are still storming like that - both in Georgia in 2008, and in Syria now, oga-oga ...
          1. Nirvanko
            Nirvanko April 23 2021 23: 58
            -3
            Noticeably many Russian infantry stormed cities in Syria.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 April 24 2021 14: 29
              0
              Quote: Nirvanko
              Noticeably many Russian infantry stormed cities in Syria.

              And you, naive one, think that Russia will "storm the city with infantry"? So, dear, except that only the very backward ones are fighting))) Russia will first cover the Ukrainian air defense, ammunition depots, airfields, headquarters and other important facilities with cruise missiles, and then it will iron out the defenseless Ukrainian Armed Forces from the air with aviation until there will be nothing left , or they will scatter themselves, and then they will show you with art, and then only tanks, infantry, etc. will go.
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 23 2021 11: 23
      -2
      What mood? Are they going to fight with them?
      1. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima April 23 2021 11: 25
        -1
        What mood? Are they going to fight with them?

        With our mood, they do not stop fighting with us, they piss off with Russia ..
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 23 2021 11: 30
          0
          Well, they will continue to fight. After all, Russia does not get involved.
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis April 23 2021 11: 52
      0
      Quote: Ruslan Sulima
      Eh, how much more difficult it will be for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in our mood, Polish experts have no idea ...

      Polish experts ... Polish experts are encouraging svidoukrov as soon as they can .. Because they understand that otherwise they will have to send their PMCs and Polish-Lithuanian battalions ... Battalions will not be sent to Israel ... Only for the Slavs ...
  • Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 23 2021 10: 33
    -6
    I don't think if we have a smart general, you can achieve surrender in 3 days
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 23 2021 11: 24
      +2
      With you at the head, they will surrender immediately.
    2. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima April 23 2021 11: 29
      -1
      I don't think if we have a smart general, you can achieve surrender in 3 days

      Come on, there were enough cornet generals in the OUN-UPA, hiding in the caches and behind the cordon ...
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O April 23 2021 11: 31
        -1
        There are no such people, they all work in the west, they are desperately fighting from other regions, for example from Dnepropetrovsk, here many do not like
        1. Ruslan Sulima
          Ruslan Sulima April 23 2021 11: 43
          -4
          Dnepropetrovsk, here many do not like

          Yes, in the course, propaganda and promises of 10 pieces per Moskal did their job. There are enough freaks, despite the fact that they were in no hurry to fulfill the promises, and Kolomoisky himself is being spread rot in the same states. But Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye Ivanko don't give a damn about that, you can sit out in the trenches shooting a little, earn some money ..
          But only a limited number of trained units are ready for serious combat, although this does not remove the guilt from Ivankov.
    3. Black lotos
      Black lotos April 23 2021 13: 06
      -1
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      I don't think if we have a smart general, you can achieve surrender in 3 days

      was like that.
      Pashka Grachev.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx April 23 2021 10: 34
    +8
    Already someone who, and psheki probably sleep most of all and see when Russia will attack Ukraine, so that the most chop off a piece. However, Poland, this hyena of Europe, has always been like this.
  • Alien From
    Alien From April 23 2021 10: 39
    +4
    Poles have morning auto-training.
  • alexniko77
    alexniko77 April 23 2021 10: 39
    +2
    not more difficult, but more expensive, our country would have to, but with much greater irreplaceable losses in the Armed Forces
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 23 2021 10: 59
      +16
      Quote: alexniko77
      but with much greater irreplaceable losses in the Armed Forces

      What is your forecast with our losses?
      1. alexniko77
        alexniko77 April 23 2021 11: 12
        0
        but nothing. any questions?
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 23 2021 11: 29
          +14
          Quote: alexniko77
          but not at all.

          Clear! For "we will not stand the price", "women will give birth again" (from Asians)
          Quote: alexniko77
          any questions?

          What other questions might there be?
          1. sleeve
            sleeve April 23 2021 11: 55
            -1
            Nothing, it means minimal, close to "nothing".
          2. alexniko77
            alexniko77 April 23 2021 11: 57
            -2
            what are your Asians ?! black instructors
      2. 210ox
        210ox April 23 2021 11: 28
        +3
        And in fact. To think that a little blood will pass is stupid. The time has gone. This burden will last for a long time. It is necessary to recognize the LDNR., To conclude an agreement on military cooperation, to send troops.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev April 23 2021 11: 42
          0
          If the RF Armed Forces go to Ukraine with little blood, everything will happen. After the first strike by missiles, then by aircraft, the surviving lads will run away, because they too want to live, and they don’t need Ukraine for nothing, this is the essence of a real Ukrainian. Well, those one hundred stubborn ones that will remain will be trampled into the mud by tanks, although this will not be necessary, ours will simply organize a heel of boilers and wait until the "heroes" surrender.
      3. saigon
        saigon April 23 2021 12: 12
        +2
        Yes, here the losses will be ours and stop and on the other hand, no matter how regrettable, since in the event of war we will have to liberate the temporarily given territory.
        What does it take to take into account the economy to restore Russia again, will we pull it?
        And all of Ukraine will have to be taken!
        Any remnant of today's Ukraine will be hostile to Russia.
        War is a short moment, the most important thing is that after the war - I don’t remember whose words, but this is the point, that after.
        It must be borne in mind that the war on our side can be waged only under the slogan of liberating our own, common land from the enemy, and you can forget about carpet bombing and strikes on cities.
        And a huge important moment is the total mental cleaning of the territory and this is possible only by the most brutal methods.
        This is only a small part of the problems of the war with the fact that now in Ukraine, Russia does not need a war, it is absolutely unnecessary.
        But to listen to the Poles, they say nothing.
  • Romario Argo
    Romario Argo April 23 2021 10: 40
    -2
    The whole difficulty would lie in the fact that you need to take prisoners, and not dung them with black soil
  • Popandos
    Popandos April 23 2021 10: 40
    +1
    And the Poles, as always, prefer not to notice the most important thing.
    What is the motivation for the Ukrainian army?
    Will the military want to die for the interests of such a Ukraine? Or will they prefer their own selfish interests?
    If they do not want to fight, then what kind of weapons they will have does not matter.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 23 2021 10: 45
    -2
    It was just a matter of ordering the troops to move to their permanent deployment locations, and away we go. Yesterday morning they were in a different mood. How long can we hold out without the Americans.
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses April 23 2021 12: 12
      +2
      It is impossible to keep large masses of troops without movement.
      Decomposition begins.
      It will not take long to return the troops to the previously studied TVD.
  • iouris
    iouris April 23 2021 10: 50
    +1
    Conditionally won again, but with conditionally catastrophic combat losses.
  • International Observer
    International Observer April 23 2021 10: 50
    -2
    ... editor-in-chief of the portal Polukr.net Dariusz Materniak

    ... a person with a surname, whom you can simply send)) ... so that you don't write nonsense.
  • Tagan
    Tagan April 23 2021 10: 54
    +1
    The capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 2014 and 2021 are at the level of error. For some reason, the Poles do not take into account the changing capabilities of the Russian army during this period.
  • Popandos
    Popandos April 23 2021 10: 58
    -1
    Weapons and tanks were counted, but cartridges and shells were forgotten, ayayay.
    And what will all these tanks, armored personnel carriers, armored personnel carriers, etc., ride on?
    If Russia enters the conflict, the supplies will be cut off immediately, and even Lukashenka will not be against it. And fuel storage facilities are destroyed from the territory of Russia in a couple of hours without straining, and there is no need to cross the border.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2021 10: 59
    -2

    it only seems to me that it is very similar to the kriegsmarine ?!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 23 2021 11: 02
    +2
    Polish analysts see the greatest progress in the equipment of Ukrainian servicemen ... purchased from the United States and Poland.
    Himself and not praise it above the Polish arrogant "modesty". And then there was a set of "free" lunch on duty: "Javelin", Bayraktar, possible F-16s, boats from "friends of Ukraine", etc. In conclusion, the Polish author concludes that it would be more difficult for Russia today than in 2014 (?). But he just does not understand that if Russia intervened in 2014, then perhaps even then the end would have been put. But it is simply necessary for your reader to emphasize that Russia has been at war with Ukraine for 7 years.
  • Roman 57 rus
    Roman 57 rus April 23 2021 11: 08
    -1
    Ukrainians now each in their own pompers are walking thanks to the West and POLAND !! - this is Great Peremoga! But the fleet is weak, you need more rubber boats, well, or smaller, but larger.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 23 2021 11: 11
    +1
    "Russia would have had more difficulty now than in 2014": Polish media assessed the current state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    ... You will not check, you will not know!
    1. cniza
      cniza April 23 2021 11: 36
      +5
      Better without war ...
      Good time! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 23 2021 11: 57
        +1
        Welcome soldier
        We need peace and quiet .... so in fact foreign lands will not calm down in any way!
        1. cniza
          cniza April 23 2021 11: 59
          +2
          That's for sure, they can only be reassured, there are many options ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 23 2021 12: 14
            +1
            It is difficult to imagine how much patience their citizens will have ???
            To assume that they rushed to fight, and then surrender ... somehow I can't believe it, yet.
            1. cniza
              cniza April 23 2021 12: 19
              +2
              Everything is complicated and ambiguous, many have brains out there ...
  • cniza
    cniza April 23 2021 11: 36
    +1
    "Russia would have had more difficulty now than in 2014": Polish media assessed the current state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine


    And what happened, we did not fight with them, but they rallied from the miners ...
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 23 2021 11: 38
    -3
    Well, honestly, like children, at the word "drone" they experience an orgasm. Neither in 2014 nor now will it be difficult for Russia to sweep away the Armed Forces of Ukraine for one simple reason: a Ukrainian is not a warrior, he is a redneck for whom there is no homeland. They are capable of robbing, killing children, going on the attack thinking that there are weakly armed militias ahead, that is, just jackals. When the RF Armed Forces attack, after the first missile strike, these warriors will run to save their souls and loot. There is no concept of "Motherland" for Ukraine.
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      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev April 25 2021 08: 55
        0
        It's a shame that Vladimir Monomakh, the father of Yuri Dolgorukov, is a sworn Muscovite, and most of the princes came to Kiev from the areas of present-day Russia. Apparently, the Ukrainian land is not capable of giving birth to great leaders, only nonentities such as Bandera and Zelensky and Poroshenko.
        1. silverura
          silverura April 25 2021 09: 06
          -1
          Apparently, the Ukrainian land is not capable of giving birth to great leaders, only nonentities


          This person sympathizes with me yes
  • prior
    prior April 23 2021 11: 39
    -3
    This spring, almost all the Ukrainian Armed Forces gathered in Donbass. And they were ready to surrender. repeat
    But, .... bummer. Shoigu gave the command to finish the exercise. lol
    And there was no one to surrender. crying
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 April 23 2021 11: 43
    -1
    The biggest pitfall with their army would be to attack and surrender immediately. Like now feed us, we are prisoners.
    1. sleeve
      sleeve April 23 2021 12: 03
      +2
      Laughter is laughter, but the solution to the problem of 40-50 thousand prisoners is far from a joke in the current realities. One food at least 50 tons and water for a modest 250. And where to keep? Summer is still okay, but what if winter? To monitor health, you need up to 200 paramedics, plus a full-fledged hospital. I'm not talking about security ... To transport such a crowd somewhere is a madhouse. Everything will be there ... in place. And the republics won't help much. Both financially and psychologically. Here is the problem, so the problem. To keep such a gang intact ... God forbid in winter.
  • Avior
    Avior April 23 2021 11: 50
    +2
    For example, the Ukrainian Armed Forces purchased 37 American Javelin MANPADS.
    The strange tradition of not showing links to sources on VO does not allow us to determine whose blunder or the author of the article is?
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos April 23 2021 13: 41
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      For example, the Ukrainian Armed Forces purchased 37 American Javelin MANPADS.
      The strange tradition of not showing links to sources on VO does not allow us to determine whose blunder or the author of the article is?

      first time or something ...
      maybe they specifically want to impress the audience that this is all the same MANPADS and not something else .. maybe you don’t know something laughing
      as for whose mistake ...
      Polonsky distinguished himself. took the Ukrainian-Polish portal (it is mostly Ukrainian, obviously radical like Poroshenov's), the Polish editor often gives interviews there (he speaks quite well Ukrainian
      Dariusz Maternyak is also the director of the Center for Analysis Ukraine Poland, but he does not speak about javelin.
      but the other author is not known at all (perhaps Polonsky found him on the networks as comments)
      So it was Polonsky's deliberate mistake.
  • Nirvanko
    Nirvanko April 23 2021 12: 04
    +1
    In 2014, it was necessary to resolve the issue by sending troops not only to the Crimea, but also to the entire southeast of Ukraine. Now, in fact, Ukraine - the most important state for Russia (recall the same Brzezinski) - is lost to Russia with huge losses for the economy and increased threats on the border (NATO aircraft over Ukraine are already commonplace). Control over it will definitely not be restored under Putin, if at all.
    During his reign, the anti-Russian regime has firmly established itself not only in Georgia, but also in Ukraine. Putin as a leader is everything for me, too cowardly.
  • Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 April 23 2021 12: 16
    -2
    It depends on how to fight, if according to the mind, that is, missile strikes on air defense and everything that can take off, then strikes with the same missiles on headquarters, a concentration of troops, warehouses, storage facilities. Then the complete conquest of air supremacy, after which long-range artillery and front-line aviation work ... After them, the special forces and the DShB enter into action, and after that comes the motorized rifle regiments and the troops of V.V. That is, I think Ukraine has not a lot of chances, but if it was, that is, the motorized riflemen crawled for armor and crawled in strategic directions with "threads", then here the "neighbors" have more chances.
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik April 23 2021 12: 55
    -1
    The Krajina Navy is in a much more deplorable state than the ground forces, and this is primarily due to the loss of the Crimea and the naval base in Sevastopol

    You might think they have modernized the fleet in the Crimea.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 23 2021 13: 29
      0
      Quote: lis-ik
      You might think they have modernized the fleet in the Crimea.

      Those who visited Sevastopol during the times of the Kiev junta, they perfectly saw how the Ukrainian fleet looked and what they did to it. And what did they do to Sevastopol, not only to the fleet.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 23 2021 15: 19
        +1
        In Sevastopol you saw the Russian fleet, the Ukrainian one was based in Donuzlav
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 23 2021 16: 29
          0
          Quote: Avior
          In Sevastopol you saw the Russian fleet, the Ukrainian one was based in Donuzlav
          The following units of the Naval Forces of Ukraine are located in the Streletskaya Bay of Sevastopol:
          Submarine "Zaporozhye" U01 - Missile boat "Priluki" U153 - Missile corvette "Pridneprovye" U155 - Corvette "Lutsk" U205 - Corvette "Khmelnitsky" U208 - Control ship "Donbass" U500 - Hydrographic tug boat "Skvira" U635 - Rescue boat "Kremenets" U705 - Search and rescue vessel Izyaslav U706 - Transport Dzhankoy U754 - Transport Sudak U756 - Tanker Bakhmach U759 - Tanker Fastov U760 - Degaussing vessel Balta U811 - Physiological field control vessel Severodonetsk U812 - Zolotlavskladon U852 - Tug "Dubno" U855 - Waste collection vessel U953 - Boat "Chigirin" U954 - Training boat "Smila" U540 - Training boat "Novaya Kakhovka" U541 - Fire-fighting boat "Borshchiv" U542 - Diving boat "Romny" U722 - Diving boat "Romny" U732 - "Tokmak" U733 - Medical boat "Sokal" U782 - Passenger boat "Ilyichevsk" U783 - Floating crane "Kalanchak" U802 - Boat "Korosten" U853 - Boat U926 (SBU)
          In Donuzlav, the ships of the Naval Forces of Ukraine were based:
          corvette Vinnitsa (U206), sea minesweeper Chernigov (U310), sea minesweeper Cherkasy (U311), harbor minesweeper Genichesk (U360), medium landing ship Kirovograd (U401), large landing ship Konstantin Olshansky ”(U402), fire-fighting boat“ Evpatoria ”(U728), transport“ Gorlovka ”(U753), sea tug“ Kovel ”(U831), anti-sabotage boat“ Feodosia ”(U240), torpedo boat“ Kherson ”(U891) and tugboat "Novoozernoe" (U942)
          1. Avior
            Avior April 23 2021 17: 39
            0
            Which of these ships did you see specifically in Streletskaya Bay?
            1. Black lotos
              Black lotos April 23 2021 18: 40
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              Which of these ships did you see specifically in Streletskaya Bay?

              in 2003 I saw a couple of pennants of the merchant fleet, and not a single Ukrainian military one.
              however, we went to the Dolphinarium and Primorsky Boulevard. I still remember these boardwalk piers ... after our concrete piers everywhere, it seemed like this is a story ...
              in two hours, boards and ships were more memorable. still not a commercial port.
              about Ukrainian there should be-in the news mentioned that something small happens.
              in Donuzlav we had nothing thematic. And even so, Kerch broke down with us.
              1. Avior
                Avior April 23 2021 19: 54
                0
                I have been to Sevastopol more than once, I have not seen any Ukrainian people.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer April 23 2021 13: 01
    0
    From which body did the Pshek expert suck out his global analytics?))) Just a couple of days ago, a video was played on bandero TV - the 1st tank brigade for an exercise. In the video, not even "bulat" and not T-64BV, but old, still Soviet T-64 B1, without DZ, i.e. 100% are dead. I want to note that the 1st brTBr, in Banderaffen, is considered elite. If in elite junk, then what about ordinary brigades?)))
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 23 2021 13: 25
    0
    Now the Ukrainian army receives new radio stations from Western countries and equips its units with them.

    Something like this has already happened, if I'm not mistaken ...
    Uniform English, Epaulet French, Tobacco Japanese, Ruler clown.
  • Antagonist
    Antagonist April 23 2021 14: 01
    +9
    In 2014, when the conflict in Donbass began, the Ukrainian army was in a deplorable situation.

    And in 2021 the situation has not improved at all.
  • Antagonist
    Antagonist April 23 2021 14: 02
    +7
    7 years have passed and the state of the Ukrainian army has changed significantly

    Has changed. Alcoholics, drug addicts, and deserters have become much more.
  • Antagonist
    Antagonist April 23 2021 14: 04
    +7
    Polish analysts see the greatest progress in the equipment of Ukrainian military personnel

    It turns out that he is the key to success in the war. Equipment! wassat laughing fool
  • lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 April 23 2021 15: 46
    0
    Why didn't the author write about what will be easier compared to 2014? 1. The conscription factor: the number of potential conscripts has decreased. 2. Although sympathy for Russia has diminished, the mass of doubters has also increased, and these are potential deserters and deviators. 3. The Georgians were very cool for the first 3-4 days, and then Something happened .... So in the case of Ukraine. Partisanship will be possible only in Bender, but whoever will go there. 4. The Russian Armed Forces during this time have improved several times in comparison with the improvement of the outskirts, and in the most sensitive areas.
    So, hello to the author and wishes to teach you further.
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos April 23 2021 18: 48
      -1
      Quote: lopuhan2006
      Partisanship will be possible only in Bender,

      in the PMR or what ... *?
      Bendery is a historical place. in PMR.
      Quote: lopuhan2006
      2. Although sympathy for Russia has diminished, the mass of doubters has also increased, and these are potential deserters and deviators.

      Few people in the world have any sympathy for the Russian Federation. Brilliant multi-movers and cunning plans discouraged everyone. True, there is a difference - relatives and family are one thing, but the country and the government are another. Any doubters can avenge those they lose.
  • Orca
    Orca April 23 2021 17: 36
    0
    Quote: g1v2
    there is no real growth in combat effectiveness

    Combat efficiency is determined by far not only the availability of modern weapons and the ability to use them. Raguli do not have the motivation that the East of Ukraine, which rebelled against Bandera Nazism, has in abundance.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad April 24 2021 03: 07
    +1
    Today, Russia would have had a much harder time than in 2014 if it had decided to go to war with a neighboring state, the Polish author said.


    now for Russia there is no dilemma about what Ukraine is like because at the moment it is a Nazi Bandera state in all its structures (army, security service, police, etc.) and therefore there are no innocent in these structures. Separating "grain from chaff" is already unnecessary and you can safely clean up the entire Ukrainian army, which has pulled up to the Crimea and Donbass.
    As for Russia, the Russian army of 2014 is an army with virtually no combat experience in modern warfare (Afghanistan was still under the USSR), and the Russian army of 2021 is an army with successful combat experience in modern warfare.
    1. lopuhan2006
      lopuhan2006 April 24 2021 10: 06
      0
      A Nazi state run by Jews?) Well, well .... You've been brainwashed well if such patterns pass.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 April 24 2021 10: 58
        +1
        What makes you think that Jews rule Ukraine? For me, this is how the United States does it. The entire aligarhat is somehow managed for American dollars, not Jewish tugriks.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets April 24 2021 08: 09
    +2
    war is never a walk to the wind to pee .... there will always be victims ..... here the main emphasis is on what is being done? what kind of war will there be? and what are the goals? If the seizure and control of territories is one loss (big) ... if, like Serbia, at one time, "bombed into the Stone Age" then others. The main thing is to understand that in the end, Ukraine loses anyway - the only question is the price ... for the Russian Federation, in the price and as a result of this price, cruelty towards Ukraine and, accordingly, the price that the Ukrainians will pay
  • Burtas
    Burtas April 24 2021 10: 23
    +1
    They have already got their hands on in Syria, and Ukraine is now the same desert, and the Ukrobanderites are no better than the Georgians ... they were also trained by killers from the United States and the West. So they made ties live and wear pants ... and we will land these shitcrats ... I have no doubt ... and the people of the outskirts will support ...
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 April 24 2021 10: 50
    +1
    It can be more difficult only in the sense that the size of the armed forces has grown.
    But the Russian army also increased its composition and formed two armies on the border with Ukraine.
    As for the technical component, the Russian army is being re-equipped faster than the Ukrainian one, which means that technical superiority is slowly shifting in favor of Russia.
  • Alexy
    Alexy April 24 2021 13: 28
    0
    And why did they decide that Russia was or was going to attack Ukraine?