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The likelihood of a massive strike by the Tomahawks on the LDNR army corps is still high. Unexpected maneuver of the destroyers "Donald Cook" and "Roosevelt"

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Despite the fact that the telephone conversations between the leaders of the Russian Federation and the United States, Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden, initiated by Washington and held on April 13, 2021, as well as the subsequent decision of the US Navy command to cancel the transition and deployment of DDG destroyers in the Black Sea 75 USS "Donald Cook" served as a reason for domestic observing, journalistic and even some expert communities to express an erroneous opinion about the complete fiasco of the anti-Russian geostrategic concept of the "Washington swamp" in the episode of military-political and diplomatic dives between the parties observed today, a real operational-strategic alignment in the Azov-Black Sea theater of operations, as before, it tends to be complicated with an increasingly pronounced pre-escalation character.


In particular, trying to win precious weeks by conducting partly feigned and useless negotiations between the heads of the national security agencies (the Russian Security Council and the national security agency under the US presidential administration) Nikolai Patrushev and Jacob Sullivan, which discussed the absolutely vague prospect of a constructive meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin with the current head of the White House Joe Biden, the Pentagon and the European Command of the US Armed Forces only intensified the supply of modern means of electronic / electronic intelligence, protected tactical communications, etc. to the Ukrainian side. by military transport aircraft C-130J "Super Hercules".

The operational and strategic importance of the two Arleigh Burke-class destroyers in the event of an escalation scenario in Donbas. They pose a threat even from the Aegean Sea


It is quite obvious that with these actions Washington only motivated the "hot heads" in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine not only to prepare for the implementation of the escalation scenario in the Donbass theater of operations, but also to the possible opening of the Transnistrian-Moldovan front.

This is eloquently evidenced by photographs and videos captured by cameras of mobile devices and video recorders of local residents of Odessa and Ilyichevsk, which capture numerous motorized rifle units, as well as rocket artillery divisions of MLRS 9K51 Grad and batteries / divisions of barrel artillery as part of towed field howitzers D- 30 and ACS 2S1 "Carnation".

According to eyewitnesses, all of the above equipment carried out a redeployment in the direction of the Ukrainian-Dnieper border, while representatives of the defense department and the headquarters of the SBU "Nezalezhnaya" interpreted this redeployment as one of the phases of the "anti-terrorist exercises" that had begun.

Against this background, particular attention is drawn to the information about the sudden termination of the stay at the anchorage in the vicinity of the logistical support point / naval base of the US Navy Souda Bay (Crete) of the URO destroyers DDG-75 USS "Donald Cook" and DDG-80 USS "Roosevelt" and their further transition to the region of the North Aegean Islands (Lemnos, Samothraki and Thassos), closer to the Azov-Black Sea basin.

Indeed, just a few days earlier (April 14, 2021), by order of the White House and the Pentagon, the US Navy decided to cancel the transit of these URO destroyers from the Aegean to the Black Sea, as well as to temporarily abandon their further use as a military tool. political and operational-tactical support of the "square" in the Azov-Black Sea theater of operations, which was argued allegedly

"Washington's desire for long-term de-escalation in the region."

The answer in this situation suggests itself as follows.

In the US Defense Department in general and in the Operations Directorate / Command of the US Navy in Europe in particular, there is still a firm belief that the support of a massive missile attack by the Tomahawk SCRMB for the artillery preparation planned by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the defenders of Donbass, but will also provide the advancing mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the possibility of a lightning-fast breakthrough of the 1st and 2nd lines of defense of the army corps of the LDNR (with access to the Russian-republican border) long before the approach of the regular units of the Russian army.

Considering the fact that the range of the Donald Cook and Roosevelt 112 destroyers included in the ammunition load (the strike configuration of the Arleigh Burke-class UVPU Mk 41 EM is represented by 56 Tomahawk SCRMB) strategic cruise missiles RGM-109E Tomahawk Block IV "is 2400 km, their launch from the region of the North Aegean Islands will provide the ability to strike at the strategically important infrastructure of the army corps of the LDNR, bypassing the ranges of the S-300PM2 / S-400 and S-300V4 anti-aircraft missile divisions, which are on combat duty in the Republic Crimea.

In this case, routes running over Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova and the central regions of the "Square" (112 km from Crimea, 450 km from the far border of the radius) can be loaded into the inertial navigation blocks of the "order" of 100 "Tomahawks" actions of the S-300V4 air defense system).

Therefore, it is easy to assume that in order to effectively repel such a "star raid" of Tomahawks on the Donbass republics (which can only be carried out at the terminal section of the latter's trajectories), at least two squadrons of Su-30SM / 35 multipurpose fighters or MiG-31BM interceptors equipped with URVV RVV-SD and R-37M, as well as two S-350 Vityaz anti-aircraft missile regiments or S-300V4 air defense missile systems deployed in the Rostov region, capable of intercepting over-the-horizon low-altitude targets, thanks to the use of active radar guidance systems.

At the same time, in order to minimize the response time to low-signature "Tomahawks of the 4th block" (EPR is from 0,07 to 0,1 sq. M), the above-mentioned ground and air-based interception means should receive target designation, as from the over-the-horizon 29B6 "Container" radar ( to accurately determine the azimuthal coordinates of the missile-hazardous direction), and from AWACS A-50U aircraft loitering over the Rostov region and the Kuban.

Therefore, despite the announcement by the head of the Russian defense department Sergei Shoigu, the return of most of the units of the Russian Armed Forces to their places of permanent deployment immediately after conducting operational-strategic exercises in the Western and Southern military districts, there remains an urgent need to preserve significant aviation and the anti-aircraft missile component of the Aerospace Forces, providing cover for the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics from quite probable attacks from not only Ukrainian Tochki-U, but also the US Navy.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome April 24 2021 04: 33
    +85
    Damantsev, stop! By God, enough of your nonsense!
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 24 2021 07: 10
      +47
      God, what nonsense!
      I have several articles "hacked to death" for "spelling mistakes"!
      And here, maybe, with letters and punctuation marks everything is in order, but with meaning ...
      1. Avior
        Avior April 24 2021 07: 34
        +28
        More precisely, with its absence :))
        1. NIKN
          NIKN April 24 2021 13: 29
          +9
          Well, it seemed like Saturday began nothing like that, but here once the hair stood on end, trembling through the body ... Hmm, Damantsev cheered up, cheered me up. :))
          1. novel66
            novel66 April 24 2021 13: 54
            +8
            Kolya, come on ... will fly by
            1. NIKN
              NIKN April 24 2021 13: 57
              +3
              But only one hope remained. wink smile
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan April 24 2021 16: 00
                0
                Don't worry, the author reassured everyone by writing at the end that our air defense would still shoot down all the Tomahawks.
                1. Valentin Tveryakov
                  Valentin Tveryakov April 25 2021 07: 50
                  -5
                  We need a preparation of imitation explosions of trophy, tomohawks, and an immediate strike at the source and at the objects of protection.
                2. Prisoner
                  Prisoner April 25 2021 13: 47
                  0
                  He should write scripts for detectives. I caught up with horror and at the end! And a happy ending. laughing
      2. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 24 2021 08: 00
        0
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        God, what nonsense!

        And can you explain to me an illiterate in what the author stumbled upon?
        Can you lay a route to Tomahawk bypassing Crimea? Is the Tomahawk's range enough?
        If so, then how to intercept it?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 24 2021 08: 24
          +39
          Quote: Hlavaty
          what did the author come across?

          Basically a message. And the point is not in the ability of Toporov to bypass the Crimea, but in the impossibility of striking the LPNR in principle. Now there are more than half of the population of the city of the Russian Federation, and the strike on them is an act of war with Russia. Nobody will go for it. But to continue to urge Ukraine, supplying it with weapons, it is always welcome.
          1. xorek
            xorek April 24 2021 08: 45
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            but in the impossibility of striking the LDNR in principle. Now there are more than half of the population of the city of the Russian Federation, and the strike on them is an act of war with Russia. Nobody will go for it. But to continue to urge Ukraine, supplying it with weapons, it is always welcome.

            That's right Igor, otherwise, after reading the title, I didn't get a second heart attack ... Well, the author, at least be careful with such statements laughing
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 24 2021 09: 11
              +7
              Judging by the comments below, you are not the only one here! laughing
              What to do, Saturday morning is often a headache. bully
            2. maximaniak
              maximaniak April 24 2021 10: 23
              +8
              And I sat down from the title ... Immediately I remembered one old movie, there were tomahawks in general with nuclear warheads. Horror! )))
              1. novel66
                novel66 April 24 2021 12: 22
                +7
                Ltd! capture ?? adore

                you have to believe, stranger ..
            3. Leeds
              Leeds April 24 2021 20: 10
              +8
              Quote: xorek
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              but in the impossibility of striking the LDNR in principle. Now there are more than half of the population of the city of the Russian Federation, and the strike on them is an act of war with Russia. Nobody will go for it. But to continue to urge Ukraine, supplying it with weapons, it is always welcome.

              That's right Igor, otherwise, after reading the title, I didn't get a second heart attack ... Well, the author, at least be careful with such statements laughing

              Read your own Syrian comments. There, too, everyone laughed in unison. And then they said that nothing, they say, they warned us, the rockets turned out to be bad and hit, and the funnels were drawn in Photoshop, only one was not completed so that the statistics would coincide.
              An ax can fly into a military facility, and on the line of the Ministry of Defense we can be warned in about three minutes. Are we sure we will sink the frigates after the salvo? Or not? Give this question, "Yes" or "no", or keep silent.
              Hopefully this remains a hypothetical possibility. But many things happened that we could not believe.
              1. bayard
                bayard April 25 2021 09: 10
                +4
                Quote: Leeds
                Are we sure to heat it?

                Drown!
                Surely drown!
                The stove.
                For - it got colder.
                And against the "Tomahawks" (if they ever fly in our direction), EW means will be used in the first place.
                And the aviation will be raised.
                And the A-50U, if there is one nearby.
                But they won't shoot.

                They (USA / England) had a plan that first they would overwhelm Lukashenka with his family and associates, bloody chaos in Belarus ... Then, or even a little earlier, a new war of Azerbaijan for Karabakh, or rather with Armenia itself, could begin. Well, the Sumerians had to start - in the Donbass, in Transnistria and possibly even on the border with Crimea.
                And Russia, at the same time, having opened itself up on several fronts ... will already lose Belarus.
                And possibly LDNR.
                Or maybe all at once ...
                So they dreamed / planned.
                But the disclosure of the conspiracy about the Belarusian coup thwarted their plans. And Russia preempted the deployment.
                Therefore - a step back and will plan again
                1. Osipov9391
                  Osipov9391 April 25 2021 12: 46
                  -1
                  And what have these two ships got to do with it? Do not forget about the British and American nuclear submarines with "Tomahawks" constantly in the Mediterranean. So from the regions of the Aegean Sea, they can secretly strike both Transnistria, Crimea and Donbass.
                  Well, if you need it, if you want to. And Russia has nothing to get them these submarines. We ourselves have almost no multipurpose nuclear submarines. It was possible on the basis of the most successful submarines to create a small PLAT by "soldering" the missile compartment. But they didn’t think of it. All terms and quantities for "Ashes" have been thwarted.
                  Anti-submarine aircraft in critical condition. Only a few Il-38 and Tu-142 have been modernized and can do something. The rest are hopelessly outdated in terms of searching for modern submarines with a water jet and a hull made of low-magnetic steel.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard April 25 2021 20: 01
                    +4
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    And what have these two ships got to do with it?

                    Did I write about ships?
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    Do not forget about the British and American nuclear submarines with "Tomahawks" constantly in the Mediterranean.

                    I'm more interested in those in the Barents Sea
                    ... Which are there for sure.
                    And yet - do not trust journalists, especially regarding performance characteristics. KR "Tomahawk with a high-explosive warhead never flew at 2400 km., Maximum at 1720 km."
                    In a straight line.
                    No maneuvering.
                    And on 2400 flew "Tomahawk" with nuclear warheads.
                    And in practice, no one ever shoots in real conditions at the limit of range.
                    And now the curvimeter is in your hands, and we measure the length of the route from the Aegean Sea to Donbass with all the bends of the trajectories.
                    These ships were for psychological pressure and "moral support" for the Sumerian suicides. To go into battle with the battle cry "America is with us." lol
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    Well, if you need it, if you want to. And Russia has nothing to get them these submarines.

                    Are you out of your mind?
                    Why get out the submarines that have fired, if the answer will be immediately on the headquarters and decision-making centers?
                    If for us.
                    If, in response, "Calibers" fly to American bases in Europe and the Middle East, it will also be much more effective.
                    And for the Sumerians without any restrictions.
                    But it won't. This is just a designated threat, nothing more.
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    We ourselves have almost no multipurpose nuclear submarines.

                    Well, there’s something left. And 971 projects could always shoot the "Granat" missile system through the TA. And "Pomegranate" is the father of "Caliber".
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    It was possible on the basis of the most successful submarines to create a small PLAT by "soldering" the missile compartment.

                    You can't. There is no such compartment.
                    And even less so before.
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    All terms and quantities for "Ashes" have been thwarted.

                    It means that they will be heaped into operation. In any case, it is not for them to fight with the United States in a global war.
                    And do not forget about the "Container" ZGRLS, which will reveal the salvo and the trajectory of these missile launchers. This means that we will be ready to meet with them.
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    Only a few Il-38 and Tu-142 have been modernized and can do something. The rest are hopelessly outdated in terms of searching for modern submarines with a water jet and a hull made of low-magnetic steel.

                    But a blow to the bases of the American, British, and if necessary, the French bases of their sister ships, will be much more effective.
                    A war against Russia of nuclear powers is certainly a Nuclear War. And you won't be able to sit behind the seas.
                    The plans of the United States were only "moral support" for their jackals, to give them confidence and audacity. But after the failure with Belarus and the arrests in Moscow, the surprise factor was lost.
                    They will shaman in a new way. they themselves do not want to be exposed to attack.
              2. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 April 26 2021 09: 59
                +3
                There is one peculiarity here. The missiles will fly towards Russia, as it were, and this can be counted as an attack. Nuclear attack. To prevent this from happening, you will need to warn you at least three minutes in advance. And again, even if they warn us, they can answer that they will regard this as an attack on their territory.
          2. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty April 24 2021 10: 28
            +19
            Thanks for explaining.
            I thought it was a technical problem, but it turns out to be a political problem.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Now there are more than half of the population of the city of the Russian Federation, and a strike on them is an act of war with Russia.

            And if the United States confirms with the help of images from space that the strikes were carried out exclusively on the positions of "terrorists who suddenly opened fire on the Ukrainian military and citizens" and were carried out exclusively "to protect Ukrainian citizens." And the casualties among the civilian population (citizens of the Russian Federation) occurred as a result of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the LPNR, for which they would shake their fingers and say "ay-ay-ay". And Ukraine will express its "sincere regret", while already standing on the border with the Russian Federation, together with their OSCE observers and other observers, called upon to record the attack of the Russian army on the Armed Forces of Ukraine (Ukraine), if this happens.

            Is this scenario possible?

            As I understand it, if there is a technical possibility, then the point is only for political resourcefulness - to come up with a scenario for using a technical opportunity, in which a response will be perceived as OPEN aggression of one state against another. From which you can then build a bunch of political moves that will significantly worsen the position of the "aggressor".

            I just ask, without a hat, just to assess the possibility of such a development of events, given that there are huge problems in the West and a small victorious war for the West would be very useful to solve its internal problems and to undermine Putin's authority and destabilize the situation in the Russian Federation.
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr April 24 2021 15: 17
              -3
              Quote: Hlavaty
              just to assess the possibility of such a development of events, given that

              In the Mediterranean Sea, next to the destroyers "Arleigh Burke" our submarine may well be located. Perhaps not alone. How long will it take for her to make life difficult for the destroyers?
              1. Hlavaty
                Hlavaty April 24 2021 16: 02
                +2
                But this will already be an open US aggression against the Russian Federation. And in the scenario that I described a direct clash between the United States and the Russian Federation is absent.
                1. gsev
                  gsev April 24 2021 16: 58
                  -4
                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  But this will already be an open US aggression against the Russian Federation.

                  Or a preventive-disarming strike to prevent a surprise nuclear attack on Sevastopol and Moscow by US destroyers.
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr April 24 2021 17: 34
                    -4
                    Quote: gsev
                    to prevent a surprise nuclear attack on Sevastopol and Moscow by US destroyers.

                    The destroyers do not have weapons that are not able to neutralize our air defense.
                    1. Sergey Sfiedu
                      Sergey Sfiedu April 24 2021 21: 08
                      +2
                      Purely theoretically. But in practice, it can be different. However, the question itself is provocative - the Yankees are not suicides and are not going to start a third world war. And so - they have, in addition to "Tomahawks" and "Tridents".
                      1. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr April 24 2021 21: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                        Purely theoretically.
                        I agree.
                        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                        But in practice, it can be different.
                        It is difficult to imagine that our Black Sea coast, studded with air defense systems, is not able to cope with the fact that two cruisers will be fired. Ordinary subsonic cruise missiles are not a difficult target for modern air defense.
                        And no air defense of the ship can cope with the answer that can arrive from that very coast. Even if very old missiles arrive, they will simply crush them with their numbers.
                        I think so.
                      2. Sergey Sfiedu
                        Sergey Sfiedu April 24 2021 21: 36
                        +3
                        At first - low-flying subsonic cruise missiles. Again - low-flying... The goal is always difficult. Especially when used on a mass scale. Secondly, what have two destroyers (cruisers) got to do with it? If we talk about an attack on Sevastopol and Moscow, this is a war and no two destroyers will start it. There will be completely different scales, or, more precisely, there will not be, for both our and America's leaders are not suicides. In the current realities, this is impossible. And if a strike on the LDNR, then the range of Tomahawks from the Aegean Sea will not be enough, and that we would be attacked by American ships in the Aegean Sea - this is again a war that no one will go to us, and what would be on their ships In the Aegean Sea, something flew in from our coast - again, I doubt that the range and target designation will be enough, and in the conditions of extremely intensive peacetime navigation, it will certainly arrive in some kind of neutral (most likely, not one) with all the ensuing consequences ..
                        The current theater in the east of Urajina is nothing more than a war of nerves - the West looked to see if the Russian elite's desire to intercede for the LPNR has disappeared. It seems that it has not disappeared yet. Ours also came to the conclusion that it would be more expensive to attack. That's where they will disperse, and the Donbass people will continue to die under small shelling from both sides.
                      3. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr April 24 2021 22: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                        Secondly, what have two destroyers (cruisers) got to do with it?
                        Strange question ... Article title:
                        The likelihood of a massive strike by the Tomahawks on the LDNR army corps is still high. Unexpected maneuver of the destroyers "Donald Cook" and "Roosevelt"
                        We are talking about these destroyers. Purely theoretically, what kind of threat they can pose.
                      4. Sergey Sfiedu
                        Sergey Sfiedu April 25 2021 19: 31
                        +1
                        My posts are answers to this phrase
                        to prevent a surprise nuclear attack on Sevastopol and Moscow by US destroyers.

                        As you can see, there is no longer a conversation about the LPNR.
              2. Vatnichek
                Vatnichek April 25 2021 23: 33
                -3
                "Your air defense" - is it kaklyatsky?
        2. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine April 24 2021 23: 37
          +1
          Quote: Bad_gr
          may be our submarine. Perhaps not alone. How long will it take for her to make life difficult for the destroyers?

          It cannot, Burke is the strongest modern ship from the point of view of PLO. By the way, what can a boat do, in principle, even if it were there? How does she get the order to attack?
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr April 25 2021 00: 43
            -3
            Quote: Bad_gr
            In the Mediterranean Sea, next to the destroyers "Arleigh Burke" our submarine may well be located. Perhaps not alone.

            Quote: Cherry Nine
            It cannot, Burke is the strongest modern ship from the point of view of PLO.

            News from March 19:
            Media reported on the location of the "lost NATO" Russian submarine
            The submarine "Rostov-on-Don" passed Gibraltar and enters the eastern Mediterranean in a submerged position. Earlier, Israeli and Italian media reported that NATO forces lost sight of this submarine.


            The submarine "Rostov-on-Don", which was previously reported "missing" by the media, passed Gibraltar and "is underwater in the eastern Mediterranean." This was reported to the state agency TASS by a source in the power structures of Crimea.

            “As part of the Mediterranean squadron, it will replace the submarine of the same type,” the agency quoted the source as saying. The command of the Navy did not lose contact with the submarine "Rostov-on-Don", which disappeared from the radar of NATO ships in the Mediterranean Sea. This was reported by the state agency "RIA Novosti" with reference to an informed source.

            “NATO anti-submarine forces have been trying for a week to find the Rostov-on-Don submarine in the Mediterranean Sea <...> Attempts to find it were unsuccessful. At the same time, the Russian command is not losing contact with the submarine "Rostov-on-Don", - said the interlocutor of the agency.

            Earlier, on March 18, the Israeli edition of News Israel, without citing sources, reported that about a month ago, a submarine entered the Mediterranean Sea through the Strait of Gibraltar. There, the US Sixth Fleet began tracking her. But a few days ago, the submarine disappeared from the radars of American control systems, since then its movement has not been tracked.

            Read more at RBC:
            https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/60547ac89a7947de775ae9b4
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa April 25 2021 01: 23
              +4


              And now we look at these screenshots from the flight radar and ask ourselves two questions.

              First, what was Poseidon circling over?
              The second, the most unpleasant - why did he come to the point without tacking, not flying along the search courses, along the same snake?

              Just make sure that the cannon does not jam from overheating.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr April 25 2021 11: 07
                +1
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                Just make sure that the cannon does not jam from overheating.

                Well, yes, I have a "ball launcher" due to the fact that I doubt the capabilities of cruisers near our borders. Then you have idolatry before the almighty NATO. Do not break your forehead while bowing.
                1. timokhin-aa
                  timokhin-aa April 25 2021 13: 13
                  +1
                  I have no idolatry, I just imagine their real possibilities, and I do not accept stupid hats out of the blue - it will cost us very dearly.
            2. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine April 25 2021 01: 30
              -2
              Quote: Bad_gr
              The command of the Navy did not lose contact with the submarine "Rostov-on-Don", which disappeared from the radar of NATO ships in the Mediterranean Sea. This was reported by the state agency "RIA Novosti" with reference to an informed source.

              Submarine missing from radar? Well, nothing else can be expected from RIA Novosti.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr April 25 2021 11: 15
                +1
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Submarine missing from radar?

                Type in the search "underwater radar" and the search system quite understands what it is about.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine April 25 2021 12: 37
                  -3
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  Search for "underwater radar"

                  Apparently, the employees of RIA Novosti work in approximately the same way.
      3. Sergey. just Sergei.
        Sergey. just Sergei. April 24 2021 18: 09
        -2
        I will answer.
        Quite recently, there was a speech by the President, who bluntly said that for provocations against the interests of Russia there will be an answer that the initiator will not like (as it was more specifically, he was reluctant to dig). Quite recently, there was a response to Poland, the Czech Republic, more diplomats were expelled than parity - Russia intends to aggravate, in the event of an attack on its interests. Again, it was recently announced that Russia is ready to completely break off relations with Europe and economic institutions such as VISA / MASTERKART, SWIFT. What more proof do you need?
        IN THE ATTACK ON THE LDPR, RUSSIA WILL GO TO THE END, UP TO THE FORMATION OF THE LDPR, WITH THE FORMATION OF A WAY TO THE TRANSNISTRIA - THERE WILL BE NOTHING TO LOSE, EVERYTHING IS CLOSED FOR US, INCLUDING TECHNOLOGY.
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty April 24 2021 20: 41
          +1
          Quote: Sergey. just Sergei.
          Quite recently there was a speech by the President, who directly said,

          I don't want to offend anyone, but the President has already said a lot of things during all this time. And quite often it turned out to be just words. I will not recall the pension reform and other purely internal affairs of the Russian Federation, but as for the LPNR, I remember he said that Russian soldiers would stand behind the Donetsk residents and if anyone ...

          Quote: Sergey. just Sergei.
          for provocations against the interests of Russia, there will be an answer that the initiator will not like

          And then, in the scenario I am describing, there is no direct attack on the Russian Federation. And there is an attack on the LDNR troops, with which the Russian Federation does not officially have any relations. The Russian Federation did not even recognize them, I'm not talking about some kind of agreement on aid (as with Syria).
          If you adhere to international law, beloved by the President, then Ukraine is simply putting things in order on its territory, and the United States is simply helping it.

          What does the interests of the Russian Federation have to do with it?

          The Kremlin has always stressed that the conflict in Donbass is an internal affair of Ukraine and has always refused to be recognized as a party to the conflict.
          So he refused - now if he takes it into his head to download the rights he will be told, "What do you have to do with it? You are not a party to the conflict!"

          And the fact that Russian citizens were beaten a little, well, excuse me - it happened. We will now start an international investigation (as with a downed civilian plane), find in twenty years the perpetrators and punish them to the fullest extent.

          Quote: Sergey. just Sergei.
          IN AN ATTACK ON LDPR RUSSIA WILL GO TO THE END

          But the President did not say this. This is your speculation.
          And besides, in this case there can be a lot of "END" options that politicians bargain on the blood of ordinary people and which you may not like.
          Donetsk residents in 2014 have already bought into the President's speeches about the "Russian world" and moved decisively in this direction. As it seemed to them. They also conjectured for the President what he did not say and ran into the full program. Do you think they took up arms and fought to be so unrecognized by anyone? Unlikely.

          What exactly will the Russian Federation do in an attack on the LPNR is possible, and the Kremlin itself is not very clear. They will, as in the case of Crimea, "decide from the wheels" (words of Putin).
          1. Sergey. just Sergei.
            Sergey. just Sergei. April 25 2021 20: 35
            0
            Yes, actually, I said everything. It is clear that each of us will remain unconvinced, but we will have to repeat ourselves.
            1. In an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with a threat of a breakthrough, the Armed Forces of Russia will intervene, striking at once, from the territory of Russia. If (it is hard to believe, but theoretically) the US fleet strikes, it will be considered as a strike against Russia, with all that it implies.
            2. Russia and the United States have different goals, but none of them wants a direct clash. The United States understands very well, or rather knows, it has been warned that actions to participate in the Donbas conflict will be regarded as actions against Russia. Both sides made it so that the other side saved face - the United States denied information about sending two ships to the Black Sea, Russia announced the end of the exercises and the withdrawal of troops
      4. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine April 24 2021 23: 34
        +2
        Quote: Hlavaty
        if the United States confirms with the help of images from space that the strikes were carried out exclusively on the positions of "terrorists who suddenly opened fire on the Ukrainian military and citizens"

        Who cares? Why and to whom to confirm this?
        Quote: Hlavaty
        if there is a technical possibility,

        There are much simpler possibilities.
        Quote: Hlavaty
        just assess the possibility of such a development of events,

        Is that so? Zero. Specifically, the corps of the LPR and DPR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have been demolished rather quickly and without any Americans, if it were a purely military issue. Actually, the "militias", even in 2014, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces looked frankly pitiful, they were almost killed. And if we consider the problem of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, then two EM devils are clearly not enough. The US mosquito bite tactic is not common.
        1. Sergey. just Sergei.
          Sergey. just Sergei. April 25 2021 20: 33
          0
          Yes, actually, I said everything. It is clear that each of us will remain unconvinced, but we will have to repeat ourselves.
          1. In an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with a threat of a breakthrough, the Armed Forces of Russia will intervene, striking at once, from the territory of Russia. If (it is hard to believe, but theoretically) the US fleet strikes, it will be considered as a strike against Russia, with all that it implies.
          2. Russia and the United States have different goals, but none of them wants a direct clash. The United States understands very well, or rather knows, it has been warned that actions to participate in the Donbas conflict will be regarded as actions against Russia. Both sides made it so that the other side saved face - the United States denied information about sending two ships to the Black Sea, Russia announced the end of the exercises and the withdrawal of troops.
      5. anjey
        anjey April 25 2021 14: 03
        0
        The United States simply dreams of putting Russia in a certain place by them, so it is impossible to underestimate the enemy and the worst scenario with the participation of the United States and NATO, I think ours should calculate, here's how to get out, punish the enemy and even win without surrendering Donbass, in all respects it turns out -
        drown cannot be pardoned
        .....
      6. LifeIsGood
        LifeIsGood April 25 2021 14: 11
        0
        Well, don't be nonsense ... With the same success, the Russian Federation can declare that it was not shooting at the US fleet, at terrorists. And the Yankees hit the crosshair purely by accident. The error came out, well, as you have with missiles just "understand and forgive." Oh yes ... Ukraine ... well, they will also find terrorists there, the main headquarters and blah blah blah, the very ones whom the Americans covered with missiles. And since the Russian Federation is not going to tolerate any terrorist bastard near its borders, it will go to clean up this den, with all that it implies.
        These games can be played and don't forget together.
      7. your1970
        your1970 April 26 2021 12: 00
        0
        Quote: Hlavaty
        positions of "terrorists who suddenly opened fire on the Ukrainian military and citizens" and was carried out exclusively "to protect Ukrainian citizens."


        To declare the Armed Forces of Ukraine a "terrorist organization" - who attacked the citizens of the Russian Federation - a matter of 5 minutes
        Quote: Hlavaty
        casualties among the civilian population (citizens of the Russian Federation) occurred as a result of the Ukrainian Armed Forces attack on the LPNR, for which they would shake their fingers and say "ay-ay-ay"

        after which you can bombard, for example, ALL warehouses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or units or control centers (I deeply doubt that those new bunkers were being built - they are sitting in Soviet ones) ... Exclusively for the protection of Russian citizens ...
    2. 113262a
      113262a April 24 2021 10: 53
      +14
      The same you sang in May 14th, Nooo, the adversary will not bomb the republics, breeeeed, WILL BE RUNNING! And on June 2, I stood in a cordon when the human liver was scraped off the walls of the State Administration with shovels. So, all according to Murphy, if theoretically some kind of nasty thing can happen, it will happen!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 24 2021 11: 45
        +3
        Quote: 113262
        The same you sang on May 14th, Nooo, the adversary will not bomb

        Well, first of all, I didn't sing. Secondly, I do not rule out a strike on the LPNR, but only from the side of Ukraine. The United States will not stumble a hundred percent, I explained the reasons.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder April 24 2021 17: 05
        -2
        The same you sang in May 14th, Nooo, the adversary will not bomb the republics
        Beautiful and daring dream, the rest of the world was very indignant about the Yugoslav conflict for how many months and weeks? recourse , the same will happen, you need to reboot and invent mutual guarantees, with strong partners and make friends, even in an uncomfortable position !? As recently, they yapped and everyone ran to reboot, mutual ... "then gunpowder ... while there is a strong deficit and it is scary too" !!!
    3. Kronos
      Kronos April 24 2021 13: 10
      +5
      The Turks killed the citizens of Russia and no one declared war on them, the Azerbaijanis in Karabakh killed the military with these, everything is fine, and nobody will declare it.
    4. svp67
      svp67 April 24 2021 16: 20
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Now there are more than half of the population of the city of the Russian Federation, and the strike on them is an act of war with Russia.

      And next to these ships, either "peaceful seiners" or our submarine are spinning 100%, so there is no need to talk about any surprise. And do not forget that there are our A-50 planes in Khmeimim, which now are unlikely to just sit on the ground.
      If our Tu-214ON and A-100 were used to monitor the line of contact in Donbass, then what to talk about
      1. Intruder
        Intruder April 25 2021 09: 41
        -3
        And do not forget that there are our A-50 planes in Khmeimim, which now are unlikely to just sit on the ground.
        If our Tu-214ON and A-100 were used to monitor the line of contact in Donbass
        Well, and then what !? They will register a missile launch in the Aegean Sea, while they contact Moscow and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will consider this case, until it reaches the Supreme in the presidential apparatus, through a dozen deputies and "telephone modes", plus the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense will issue recommendations on how and where, and what is most important ... laughing , and the Ax will already be at the terminal site, and if it is not knocked down within seconds, not even dozens, there are no fantasies on the topic, here (ladies and gentlemen) mountains of corpses and destruction are not illusory at the point of impact within the radius of guaranteed target destruction, and then you can already fence up political "gardens" and expel diplomats and even take away the buildings of consular and ambassadorial offices, only the truth is that there’s no point in doing this !!! laughing
        PS It's just that these same CDs and their warheads, not for online battles on forums, smart people invented, but completely for other and more specific actions in reality ..! Peace and kindness to everyone, sometimes with the smell of cordite ... drinks
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 25 2021 12: 28
          0
          Quote: Intruder
          They will register a missile launch in the Aegean Sea until they contact Moscow and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will consider this matter, until it reaches the Supreme in the presidential apparatus, through a dozen deputies and "telephone modes", plus the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense will issue recommendations on how and where, and what is most important ..

          You live by some sort of "civil" concept. As soon as a massive launch of these missiles is recorded, the signal will immediately go to the situation center of the RF Ministry of Defense, even before it becomes clear where these missiles went. Accordingly, all the forces of reflection of this blow on the entire radius of their influence will be given in the full bg.
          1. YOUR
            YOUR April 26 2021 03: 08
            0
            Part of the air defense systems are on alert, with a missile launch readiness period of 5 minutes. So much time is needed for calculations, occupied places and turn on the equipment. But this is the defense of its territory.
            But the Americans will listen to Damantsev. They supply old inflatable boats to Ukraine as military aid. And then there is a Tomahawk strike, which is our A-50, which are located in the Moscow region, and the S-350 regiments, of which there is one air defense system, and that in the training center will be opened and reflected.
            Even the article does not pull the alternative.
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 26 2021 05: 33
              +1
              Quote: YOUR
              They supply old inflatable boats to Ukraine as military aid

              They may be "old", but quite normal, and most importantly, with their help, they can create many problems for us ...
              1. YOUR
                YOUR April 26 2021 08: 07
                0
                Maybe so, even more likely so.
                Here are just a blow to the objects of the DPR / LPR with Tomahawks is from a series of enchanting delirium. As well as everything else in the article.
                Lord, are there no professionals among the resource workers who cut off such articles?
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 26 2021 08: 16
                  -2
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Here are just a blow to the objects of the DPR / LPR with Tomahawks is from a series of enchanting delirium.

                  But I don't see anything crazy here. Can our aerospace forces bomb Assad's enemies in Syria?
                2. YOUR
                  YOUR April 26 2021 09: 04
                  +1
                  Our troops entered Syria in agreement with the leadership of the SAR, as stated in the UN. Nothing was hidden and unexpected blows were not delivered.
                  In much the same way, the United States struck the Kyrgyz Republic on targets in Syria. First, they gave legal force to their actions. Found a pretext - OV. We got agreement in the UN Security Council and only after that did they decide to strike. At the same time, the specific time and the attacked objects were reported to, let's say, interested parties. So that suddenly there is no misunderstanding and the answer does not come.
                  What grounds does the United States have for shelling DPR / LPR facilities?
                3. svp67
                  svp67 April 26 2021 09: 15
                  -2
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Our troops entered Syria in agreement with the leadership of the SAR, as stated in the UN.

                  And what prevents the United States from sending its troops to Ukraine, in agreement with the current leadership of Ukraine, and from announcing this at the UN? Only the fear of Russia's retaliatory actions, but when the fear of suffering a new defeat turns out to be stronger or there is confidence that Russia will not respond, then they will take this step and that step ... a jump
                  Quote: YOUR
                  First, they gave legal force to their actions. Found a pretext - OV. We got agreement in the UN Security Council and only after that did they decide to strike

                  ?????????? It is when? How did Russia suddenly not block this decision?
                4. Intruder
                  Intruder April 26 2021 12: 19
                  -2
                  How did Russia suddenly not block this decision?
                  Apparently, recently ... laughing
                5. YOUR
                  YOUR April 26 2021 12: 36
                  0
                  Nothing hinders, except that they try to give a legitimate character to all their similar actions. The approval of the UN Security Council and by no means alone, necessarily in coalition with someone. And it doesn't matter that there will be one and a half people from each country, the main thing is that the forces can be called multinational.
                  When they achieve this, then we should expect something like the shelling of objects with cruise missiles.
    5. Intruder
      Intruder April 26 2021 12: 31
      -1
      As soon as a massive launch of these missiles is recorded, the signal will immediately go to the situation center of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, even before it becomes clear where these missiles went. Accordingly, all the forces of reflection of this blow on the entire radius of their influence will be given in the full bg.
      And, well, it will go away, only negotiations are held by another department with partners around the world and there it is not done as quickly as in the situation center of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - to the operator on the keyboard "a couple of keys" to press !? Plus, other departments will begin to work, related "things" to do, and there their centers and secretaries with the first and second deputies sit, so and so request ... a childhood friend of this kind used to work in the Russian Federation, as an operational duty officer, he told so many interesting things over the years ... personally! wink
      Do you live by some kind of "civil"
      now yes, completely supporting a civilian life, for many years from birth and gray hair has long settled on the beard and higher in the hair winked, the presence of concepts is always good, their absence leads to problems in assessing complex tactical situations, especially with the asymmetric nature of security threats in the region (Ukraine and other "Palestinians"), with the subsequent arrival of the "northern and fur-bearing animal", the nature of fools is so -that's not very fond of ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 26 2021 13: 04
        +1
        Quote: Intruder
        ... a childhood friend of this kind used to work in the Russian Federation, as an operational duty officer, he told so many interesting things over the years ... personally!

        Ah ... well, this is a reliable source of information. But he didn’t tell you a list of questions about which they report to the Minister of Defense and the Supreme Commander IMMEDIATELY? I think not, since this information is not for everyone.
        But no one ever made a big secret that the threat of a missile strike relates to such issues.
        Quote: Intruder
        when assessing difficult tactical situations,

        What we are now discussing with you is from the area of ​​STRATEGY.
  2. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 26 2021 11: 39
    0
    Quote: Intruder
    And do not forget that there are our A-50 planes in Khmeimim, which now are unlikely to just sit on the ground.
    If our Tu-214ON and A-100 were used to monitor the line of contact in Donbass
    Well, and then what !? They will register a missile launch in the Aegean Sea, while they contact Moscow and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will consider this case, until it reaches the Supreme in the presidential apparatus, through a dozen deputies and "telephone modes", plus the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense will issue recommendations on how and where, and what is most important ... laughing , and the Ax will already be at the terminal site, and if it is not knocked down within seconds, not even dozens, there are no fantasies on the topic, here (ladies and gentlemen) mountains of corpses and destruction are not illusory at the point of impact within the radius of guaranteed target destruction, and then you can already fence up political "gardens" and expel diplomats and even take away the buildings of consular and ambassadorial offices, only the truth is that there’s no point in doing this !!! laughing
    PS It's just that these same CDs and their warheads, not for online battles on forums, smart people invented, but completely for other and more specific actions in reality ..! Peace and kindness to everyone, sometimes with the smell of cordite ... drinks

    Only to fly them to the maximum range of 4 hours, during which time all the anti-aircraft gunners will have time to get drunk and sleep it off. will disappear and will silently smile? Yes, during this time you can slowly shoot from the aircraft guns one by one, the pilots will also have time to take selfies.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 26 2021 12: 19
      -1
      Yes, during this time you can slowly shoot them from the aircraft cannons one by one, the pilots will also have time to take selfies.
      And is it possible in more detail about the possibility of guaranteed destruction of at least one missile launcher from the airborne forward-facing armament of the receiver system in flight !? Or, so bright dreams, after a trip to Kubinka ???
      1. Xscorpion
        Xscorpion April 26 2021 12: 51
        -1
        Quote: Intruder
        Yes, during this time you can slowly shoot them from the aircraft cannons one by one, the pilots will also have time to take selfies.
        And is it possible in more detail about the possibility of guaranteed destruction of at least one missile launcher from the airborne forward-facing armament of the receiver system in flight !? Or, so bright dreams, after a trip to Kubinka ???

        Yugoslavia, for example, where more than one hundred axes were landed from GSh-23, as well as from the ground from ZU-23 and Shilok.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder April 26 2021 18: 26
          -2
          Yugoslavia, for example, where more than one hundred axes were landed from GSh-23, as well as from the ground from ZU-23 and Shilok
          at ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" ..., from an attack of an air enemy at altitudes from 100 to 1500 meters !? And the Ax's flight altitude is slightly lower, especially in modes with rounding of relief details on the flight trajectory, but there was such a thing, in the range of statistical error and large numbers, a few percent of the total number of CRs released:
          Of the 700 Tomahawk Block III cruise missiles fired at targets in Yugoslavia, created in the early 90s, no more than fifty missiles were shot down. The missiles were shot down either on the approach to the territory of Yugoslavia by air defense means, or were already attacked on the territory of Yugoslavia by aircraft of the Yugoslav Air Force
    2. Intruder
      Intruder April 26 2021 12: 34
      -2
      Only to fly them to the maximum range of 4 hours, during which time all the anti-aircraft gunners will have time to get drunk and sleep it off. disappear and smile in silence?
      You have the calculation of the complex, now he makes decisions and gives orders to himself !? wink And on alert, he also thumps and sleeps, serving with them is simply alas and ah ..., look less at modern cinema!
  • Intruder
    Intruder April 24 2021 16: 57
    0
    Now there are more than half of the population of the city of the Russian Federation, and a strike on them is an act of war with Russia.
    just half, it was there - and not here, in the form of refugees for 6 years !? request In fact, if the Zelenka government agrees, it will ask for help if it is critical or sudden (unknown) convoys of "humanitarian aid" will start to look like something else. wink , then the peaceful will leave, to the collateral damage and at the same time will quickly "cover" the boards of their earthen pillboxes, the territory is not recognized, no one can even be judged and blamed for something ... which is beneficial to everyone, among other things, in those parts, freemen , like: the boyish Donbass region, besides the civilian population, visited those parts by the way, on the very eve of problems, and the border of Ukraine does not pass there, but a little further, somehow ... laughing To drop a couple of dozen hatchets and there is no line of defense and add a dozen more for each fortified area and so on for days so that they don't raise their heads from the ground, their own, as they like to sing here and there ... talking heads in good suits and in studios ..., the Yugoslavs themselves know their effectiveness, they can oppose something, the poor militia of the NM, but they do not have much there, with modern air defense and missile defense systems, not to mention the trained staff for each complex and training to repel a massive missile strike on the area and other "tactical things", but for now the strike by American lionfish is a fantasy, in their "Palestinians", but it may be temporary ...! bully
    1. Angry
      Angry April 25 2021 09: 36
      0
      You're right. We have lost Donbass. We must save the population. Anyone who does not want to be back in Ukraine should be taken to Russia. Everything is better than Asians at the construction sites of the country.
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine April 24 2021 23: 23
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Now there are more than half of the population of the city of the Russian Federation, and a strike on them is an act of war with Russia.

    This is definitely not going to stop anyone.
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    is an act of war with Russia

    What a fear.
  • Angry
    Angry April 25 2021 09: 31
    -4
    Yes, Domantsev is right. Let's not forget that Tomahawks hit with an accuracy of several meters. That is, on point military targets, and not on area bombing of the civilian population. See how drones worked in Karabakh. How many civilians were affected? Yes, not at all. Otherwise, there would have been a wave in the media. It will be the same in Donbass. They will knock out corridors in the offensive sectors and that's it .... Unfortunately ... we don't have any "medicine" either.
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 26 2021 12: 12
      -1
      Quote: Angry
      See how drones worked in Karabakh. How many civilians were affected? Yes, not at all.

      Can you imagine the area? Yes, there in the quietest times there were one and a half people per 10 square kilometers ...
      There, even if a nuclear weapon is struck, a maximum of 100 people will die, and then from residual radiation ...
      In LDNR, the population density is much higher
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver April 25 2021 23: 21
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    in the impossibility of striking the LPR in principle. Now there are more than half of the population of the city of the Russian Federation, and the strike on them is an act of war with Russia. Nobody will go for it

    Are you seriously? We cannot even be sure (we can only hope for it) that if Ukraine strikes the LPNR, Russia will enter a war with it. And you are talking about the war with the United States without a shadow of a doubt.
    It is convenient, of course, to build a defense against "no one will agree to this." But stupid.
  • MK
    MK April 26 2021 23: 17
    0
    I am not a military man, but the United States has apparently lathered itself in Ukraine to build a base or several. What to do with this?
  • figwam
    figwam April 24 2021 08: 51
    -2
    Quote: Hlavaty
    what did the author come across?

    The watch in the Mediterranean by our ships and submarines makes such a strike impossible.
    But the gunpowder must be kept dry, so the personnel of the Russian Armed Forces after the exercises leave for their locations, and the equipment remains near Voronezh, because Shoigu said, - Be ready for an immediate response in the event of an unfavorable development of NATO exercises DEFENDER Europe.
    You need to be prepared for any American meanness, dozens of US fighters have already been deployed to Poland.
    1. 113262a
      113262a April 24 2021 10: 56
      +10
      Who said about the impossibility? Ours beat the barmaley with Caliber! So the Americans will give it at the request of the non-brothers! They don’t give it to Russia. And there will be no otvetki-THIRD WORLD, you know! How, we remember!
      1. figwam
        figwam April 24 2021 11: 18
        -1
        Quote: 113262
        They don’t give it to Russia

        For the citizens of Russia.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets April 24 2021 12: 18
          +7
          Quote: figvam
          For the citizens of Russia.

          Citizens of Russia, they are very different. If they hit the citizens from the Forbes list, then, of course, there would be a response, and so ...
        2. 113262a
          113262a April 24 2021 15: 31
          0
          For information, ALL our servicemen NM LDNR are citizens of the Russian Federation! With passports! And where is the Concern at least? Since the beginning of the year, at least 20 people - 200.
        3. Doliva63
          Doliva63 April 24 2021 19: 39
          +1
          Quote: figvam
          Quote: 113262
          They don’t give it to Russia

          For the citizens of Russia.

          Colleague, what - there are few Russian citizens in Syria? And nothing, and Tomogavks were allowed, and the Israelis ironed - and nothing. And then nothing will happen. Internal problems of a "sovereign state", nothing more. By the way, an illegally captured pilot is sitting in the United States - a citizen of the Russian Federation, so what?
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 April 24 2021 11: 09
      +4
      Quote: figvam
      The watch in the Mediterranean by our ships and submarines makes such a strike impossible.

      Why suddenly? How long does it take to release ammunition, 5-10 minutes. During this time, no one will move. And the second question, do you think on the rockets as on the trolleybus it will be written - the next stop is Donetsk.

      In addition, we are considering the situation of our attack on the Armed Forces. Therefore, the mirror version is quite possible.
      1. figwam
        figwam April 24 2021 11: 23
        -1
        Quote: Winnie76
        How long does it take to release ammunition, 5-10 minutes.

        More...
        Quote: Winnie76
        During this time, no one will move.

        For this, our squadron is on duty there.
        Quote: Winnie76
        you think on rockets as on a trolleybus it will be written - the next stop is Donetsk.

        That's just the point, hundreds of missiles flying to our border with an unknown warhead, this is definitely a retaliatory strike against their carriers.
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 April 24 2021 11: 48
          +4
          Quote: figvam
          More...

          I was not too lazy to find a launch video. The interval is in the region of 10 seconds, i.e. 96 missiles (rather less) will fly away in 16 minutes.
          Quote: figvam
          For this, our squadron is on duty there.

          Well, OK. In a hypothetical Varshavyanka, they see that Burke is firing rockets somewhere. Commander's actions? Immediately drown?
          Quote: figvam
          That's just the point, hundreds of missiles flying to our border with an unknown warhead, this is definitely a retaliatory strike against their carriers.

          The commander of Varshavyanka does not know to which border the missiles are flying. He has no ZGRLS in his pocket. And even with ZGRLS, no one will be able to say where they are flying specifically.
          1. figwam
            figwam April 24 2021 12: 07
            0
            Quote: Winnie76
            Commander's actions? Immediately drown?

            Wait for the order.
            Quote: Winnie76
            The commander of Varshavyanka does not know to which border the missiles are flying.

            But he doesn't need it, others see, but he will receive an order, in accordance with it and will act.
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 April 24 2021 12: 12
              +5
              Quote: figvam
              But he doesn't need it, others see, but he will receive an order, in accordance with it and will act.

              Those. we come to the conclusion that `` The watch in the Mediterranean of our ships and submarines makes such a strike impossible. '' only under the condition of the telepathic abilities of our leadership or the presence of a time machine in our arsenal
              1. figwam
                figwam April 24 2021 12: 21
                -5
                Quote: Winnie76
                Those. we come to the conclusion

                No, there are no suicides on American ships and they can inflict such a blow only on condition of their safety and consequences for themselves, in this case it is not guaranteed.
          2. lucul
            lucul April 24 2021 14: 13
            -1
            The commander of Varshavyanka does not know to which border the missiles are flying. He has no ZGRLS in his pocket. And even with ZGRLS, no one will be able to say where they are flying specifically.

            Indeed, and how does the commander of Varshavyanka get in touch with our command, and it is with the submarine? Or do you think that the submarine is on its own mind, how it got the command control at the base, even before it left, and will stick to it? ))))
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 April 24 2021 14: 23
              -1
              Quote: lucul
              Indeed, and how does the commander of Varshavyanka get in touch with our command, and it is with the submarine? Or do you think that the submarine is on its own mind, how it got the command control at the base, even before it left, and will stick to it? ))))

              I do not know who is there with whom and who gets what control. The question is different, and it hung in the air. The commander of Varshavyanka sees a salvo launch of missiles. His actions. Your suggestions.
              1. lucul
                lucul April 24 2021 15: 30
                -3
                The commander of Varshavyanka sees a salvo missile launch. His actions. Your suggestions.

                The command sends a signal to attack, the submarine attacks the target.
                Is it difficult to understand? )))
                1. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty April 24 2021 16: 05
                  0
                  Quote: lucul
                  The command sends a signal to attack, the submarine attacks the target.
                  Is it difficult to understand? )))

                  The signal to attack comes after all the Tomahawks have flown away?
                  If so, this will not make it easier for the Donetsk people.
                2. lucul
                  lucul April 24 2021 16: 28
                  -4
                  The signal to attack comes after all the Tomahawks have flown away?

                  Can do after the first volley)))
                3. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty April 24 2021 17: 49
                  +1
                  If a blow is not struck directly at the Russian Federation, then I strongly doubt that such political decisions in the Kremlin will take 15-20 minutes.
                  They will think, call up with "partners" in the USA and Europe ... God grant that by the end of the day they will give birth to another "concern".
                  In the Russian "tradition" to miss the first blow. But then, yes ... all to dust ...
                  ... if they don’t fool their heads again. :)
                4. Ural resident
                  Ural resident April 24 2021 17: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: lucul
                  The signal to attack comes after all the Tomahawks have flown away?

                  Can do after the first volley)))

                  Yes, you can even before the volley, if it comes to that ...
                5. Borisych1973
                  Borisych1973 April 24 2021 19: 35
                  0
                  There will be no Russian strike on American ships. Because this would automatically mean a Russia-NATO war. Russia will not agree to this, it is better to merge the LPR and the DPR, the Foreign Ministry will come up with a beautiful excuse. Russia will not sacrifice itself. The article is correct.
                6. gsev
                  gsev April 26 2021 22: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Borisych1973
                  There will be no Russian strike on American ships.

                  If the missile attack warning means detect a salvo of fifty (or maybe only two) missiles towards Russia, then this will most likely automatically provoke a counter-strike against the United States and NATO. Perhaps Putin and Biden will not even know about the start of a nuclear war until they die.
        2. Winnie76
          Winnie76 April 24 2021 20: 26
          0
          Quote: lucul
          The command sends a signal to attack, the submarine attacks the target.
          Is it difficult to understand? )))

          Yes, yes. And how does the command know that Burke is attacking the LDNR? Telepathy, extrasensory perception or milophone?
          And if no order is received within 16 minutes, then what? Go drink coffee
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 April 24 2021 19: 51
        +3
        Quote: Winnie76
        Quote: lucul
        Indeed, and how does the commander of Varshavyanka get in touch with our command, and it is with the submarine? Or do you think that the submarine is on its own mind, how it got the command control at the base, even before it left, and will stick to it? ))))

        I do not know who is there with whom and who gets what control. The question is different, and it hung in the air. The commander of Varshavyanka sees a salvo launch of missiles. His actions. Your suggestions.

        I think if the commander of Varshavyanka sees a missile launch, then he understands that it's time to get out of here, and hurry up - the position area is clearly well guarded by all possible means. If it's not too late, of course.
    3. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 24 2021 23: 51
      0
      Quote: lucul
      How does the commander of Varshavyanka get in touch with our command, but it is with the submarine?

      Pops up periodically.
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine April 24 2021 23: 50
    +3
    Quote: Winnie76
    The interval is in the region of 10 seconds, i.e. 96 missiles (rather less) will fly away in 16 minutes.

    7 seconds. Each 8-container UVP technically has the ability to launch 1 missile per second.
    Quote: Winnie76
    hypothetical Varshavyanka they see that Burke is firing rockets somewhere

    How do they see it? Under the periscope? And how long will they live under the periscope if Burke has an order to soak? I'm not asking how they will catch the 30-node Burke.
    1. lucul
      lucul April 25 2021 12: 40
      -1
      How do they see it? Under the periscope? And how long will they live under the periscope if Burke has an order to soak? I'm not asking how they will catch the 30-node Burke.

      And what can they no longer hear? ))))
      There may also be an order given in advance - when the Tomahawks are launched - to attack without delay. ))))
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine April 25 2021 13: 07
        0
        Quote: lucul
        And what they can no longer hear

        Of course not. This is not a submarine with an SLBM.
        1. lucul
          lucul April 25 2021 13: 15
          -3
          Of course not. This is not a submarine with an SLBM.

          Will the acoustician not hear the vibration of the destroyer's hull? ))))
          Yes, they hear another submarine's torpedo hatches open)))
        2. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine April 25 2021 14: 04
          0
          Quote: lucul
          they hear another sub's torpedo hatches open

          Well, if the launch cells suddenly begin to open down and fill with water, they will hear, but if up, as provided by the design, then no. The actual launch booster of the rocket sounds quite loud, you can hear it underwater, if close. But this is a tomahawk or a standard - God knows, boosters are almost the same.
  • Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 26 2021 11: 57
    0
    In that video, in more than a minute, 3 axes were fired, and 2 of them with an interval of almost 60 seconds from the feed cells, the second rocket from the bow cells left between them. So in a minute, 2 rockets. 56 axes, respectively, will fly away in 28 minutes, If everything goes smoothly. Well, the question in general is different, the flight time of these axes for a distance of almost 2,5 thousand km will be almost 4 hours. In terms of efficiency, it will be like a festive fireworks.
  • Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu April 24 2021 21: 02
    +2
    Can you lay a route to Tomahawk bypassing Crimea? Is the Tomahawk's range enough?

    I doubt that the range of the non-nuclear "Tomahawk" will be enough to attack the LDNR from the Aegean Sea. This is a range of 2500 km for nuclear missile launchers, and for non-nuclear missiles, the range is smaller, usually 1600 km. - just as much as the distance from Athens to Donetsk in a straight line, i.e. not enough for a real hit.
  • KVIRTU
    KVIRTU April 24 2021 23: 13
    +2
    Why bypass the Crimea? Well, they will fly at night over Evpatoria, where I live, no one will understand what it was. RTV can and detect, ZRV is unlikely to shoot down, aviation at night is also problematic. The MiG-31 is chasing the CD, this is something cooler only than the air defense system from near Rostov :)
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 26 2021 12: 17
      0
      Quote: KVIRTU
      why bypassing the Crimea? Well, they will fly at night over Evpatoria, where I live, no one will understand what it was.

      Who needs to - who is on alert - will understand ... Their work is such - to shoot down air targets ...
      They were not taken as pilots (c) anecdote
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine April 24 2021 23: 25
    -1
    Quote: Hlavaty
    And can you explain to me an illiterate in what the author stumbled upon?
    Can you lay a route to Tomahawk bypassing Crimea? Is the Tomahawk's range enough?
    If so, then how to intercept it?

    Why intercept it? I don’t even ask why the Americans should launch it.
  • VladBel
    VladBel April 25 2021 18: 08
    +1
    A complete nonsense. Beginning with the fact that the Americans have never fired a bullet with tomahawks even in Syria without a formal reason and an official announcement. And here, in fact, on Russian territory (UKRadennaya) so much so that to stun and demoralize! Well, not nonsense?
  • yehat2
    yehat2 April 27 2021 15: 20
    0
    Quote: Hlavaty
    And can you explain to me an illiterate in what the author stumbled upon?
    Can you lay a route to Tomahawk bypassing Crimea? Is the Tomahawk's range enough?
    If so, then how to intercept it?

    add to what the Ingvar said
    firstly, it makes no sense to analyze the possibilities of Crimea. The United States always has the opportunity to maneuver so that nothing interferes with the launch of the axes.
    But, firstly, the United States is now feeling very unstable - Erdogan is threatening to close their archival base. It was not closed even after Khrushchev's ultimatum.
    Secondly, unlike Syria, it will not work at all to hide the obvious fact of aggression.
    Third, where to shoot? The front-line zone has long been accustomed to constant shelling.
    Even a salvo from two ships is unlikely to seriously affect the situation.
    Finally, any American captain understands that pressing a button will become a suicide bomber, and such missions are somehow unpopular.
    Well, etc. Those. the United States just has a lot of reasons not to rock the boat.
    But the author of the article is right about something else - the United States has a very wide range of possibilities to intervene quickly and radically.
  • Niko
    Niko April 24 2021 10: 45
    +6
    The article lacks more conclusions. According to this scenario, apparently the Ukrainian Manstein and Guderian should move to Moscow. Isn't it time to evacuate the factories beyond the Urals?
  • Andobor
    Andobor April 24 2021 12: 58
    -6
    Quote: Aerodrome
    Damantsev, stop!

    Loot goes tobacco whining - information war, part of the hybrid.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot April 24 2021 13: 04
    +5
    The pen of the master is immediately visible ...
    The already paranoid headline is worth it!
  • lucul
    lucul April 24 2021 14: 17
    +4
    Damantsev, stop! By God, enough of your nonsense!

    But I will support Damantsev - such versions cannot be ruled out. Yes, it is unlikely - but possible.
    You, everyone here who made fun of the author, have just stereotypes in their heads.
    1. Sarboz
      Sarboz April 24 2021 16: 27
      -1
      Quote: lucul
      You, everyone here who made fun of the author, have just stereotypes in their heads.

      But with what enthusiasm they attack him. If only such solidarity was manifested in countering Bandera trolls and Israeli agents.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 April 24 2021 19: 55
        +1
        Quote: Sarboz
        Quote: lucul
        You, everyone here who made fun of the author, have just stereotypes in their heads.

        But with what enthusiasm they attack him. If only such solidarity was manifested in countering Bandera trolls and Israeli agents.

        Or, for example, pension reform, not? laughing
        1. Sarboz
          Sarboz April 25 2021 18: 14
          0
          Quote: Doliva63
          Quote: Sarboz
          If only such solidarity was manifested in countering Bandera trolls and Israeli agents.

          Or, for example, pension reform, not? laughing

          Certainly. United Russia itself will not return the normal retirement age.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 April 25 2021 20: 11
            +1
            Quote: Sarboz
            Quote: Doliva63
            Quote: Sarboz
            If only such solidarity was manifested in countering Bandera trolls and Israeli agents.

            Or, for example, pension reform, not? laughing

            Certainly. United Russia itself will not return the normal retirement age.

            And no one really demands, have you noticed? A flock of rams, by God!
  • Sarboz
    Sarboz April 24 2021 16: 04
    -2
    Quote: Aerodrome
    Damantsev, stop! By God, enough of your nonsense!

    Let's not be so hard on the author. His publications are invigorating all the time, like an icy shower in the morning. For some reason I was reminded of John Nash from A Beautiful Mind. Apparently people with such a mindset came up with the Conspiracy Theory. I think maybe we need them so that our brains don't turn sour from routine. wassat
  • aslanismaili611
    aslanismaili611 April 24 2021 21: 36
    -4
    Damantsev has nothing to do with it. The presence of two American destroyers in the region is a fact in person, as they say, Damantsev here actually played the well-known role of the Roman geese, which is very commendable! The Moscow team "Obob" turned out to be premature.
  • YOUR
    YOUR April 26 2021 02: 58
    0
    Man seems to be training his brain in the genre of alternative history.
    As moderators in general, such nonsense is missed.
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 8 May 2021 12: 21
    +1
    I wrote it right!
  • Asad
    Asad April 24 2021 04: 50
    +17
    Administration!!! You will soon be attracted under the article of drug propaganda!
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 April 24 2021 06: 47
      +9
      No, he should be tried for a morning brain explosion without getting drunk. And after all, then on Zen the article will come out and someone will read it, and someone will believe it.
      1. xorek
        xorek April 24 2021 08: 47
        0
        Quote: Evil543
        No, he should be tried for a morning brain explosion without getting drunk. And after all, then on Zen the article will come out and someone will read it, and someone will believe it.

        laughing wassat good It's like a flash was in my brain, I even rubbed my eyes, I thought it seemed ... drinks
  • north 2
    north 2 April 24 2021 05: 10
    +9
    Since the article is posted in the "Analytics" section, the author of the article imagines himself to be an analyst. But after reading these "analytical" predictions of his, I find that the author is either a fool or a deceiver ...
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga April 24 2021 05: 56
      +8
      Quote: north 2
      But after reading these his "analytical" forecasts, I find that the author is either a fool or a deceiver ...

      One does not interfere... No. But in my opinion, this case is clinical ... wassat
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock April 24 2021 05: 22
    +15
    The holiday continues on the VO website.
    Damantsev burns.
    Editors publish ....
    Wake up, the first of April is long gone.
  • Toucan
    Toucan April 24 2021 05: 35
    +6
    The likelihood of a massive strike by the Tomahawks on the LDNR army corps is still high ...
    The author is unmistakably guessed by the delusional title. fool However, the content is no less delusional. wassat
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 April 24 2021 11: 14
      0
      Rather not high, but quite possible. Terminology error
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 24 2021 05: 45
    +5
    Comrade Damantsev, you trust the statements of the press attaché and other "attached" ones less .. This can be seen with the naked eye that by watching the "conditionally" agitation from the program "Vremya" you are building a sphero-conical vacuum-clicking reality, and NATO's natural concentration on this theater is much more significant than 2 destroyers . You would first study the question / what is the NATO salvo on its southern flank right now, during the systematic strengthening due to the weakening of the northern flank and communications /
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga April 24 2021 05: 54
      +9
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Comrade Damantsev, you trust the statements of the press attaché and other "attached" ones less .. This can be seen with the naked eye that by watching the "conditionally" agitation from the program "Vremya" you are building a sphero-conical vacuum-clicking reality, and NATO's natural concentration on this theater is much more significant than 2 destroyers . You would first study the question / what is the NATO salvo on its southern flank right now, during the systematic strengthening due to the weakening of the northern flank and communications /

      Damantsev is not interested. The main thing is to quickly cut down the fee, and the fact that the publication contains outright nonsense is not important to him. No.
      Regularly reading this author's nonsense, I ask myself a natural question - how long will the Military Review Administration continue to publish this? negative
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 24 2021 06: 11
        +2
        Hello Olenka! soldier You know ... only the guys who are monitoring the situation in Mediterranean now have full combat imperatives ...
      2. Anzhey V.
        Anzhey V. April 24 2021 20: 32
        +4
        Damantsev is not interested. The main thing is to quickly cut down the fee, and the fact that the publication contains outright nonsense is not important to him. no
        Regularly reading this author's nonsense, I ask myself a natural question - how long will the Military Review Administration continue to publish this?


        And you take a look at how many views a friend has in articles)))

        Your esteemed spouse has made an excellent article about the organization of the American bombing of Japan, and he cried a lot during the day. And then the people run and read eagerly ...

        So Eugene will be published until the end of time)
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga April 25 2021 05: 58
          +4
          Quote: Anjay V.
          And you take a look at how many views a friend has in articles)))

          Your esteemed spouse has made an excellent article about the organization of the American bombing of Japan, and he cried a lot during the day. And then the people run and read eagerly ...

          So Eugene will be published until the end of time)

          I hope that common sense will still prevail, the VO editors will take care of their reputation, and such nonsense will not be published.

          As for Seryozha, for him writing articles (which he does on his knee) is intellectual gymnastics. At the same time, no one accused my husband that he writes frank nonsense for the sake of instant earnings.
          1. Anzhey V.
            Anzhey V. April 25 2021 10: 06
            +2
            As for Seryozha, for him writing articles (which he does on his knee) is intellectual gymnastics. At the same time, no one accused my husband that he writes frank nonsense for the sake of instant earnings.


            Of course, I didn't mean anything like that)

            I just wanted to draw an analogy between the quality of the material and, um, the public interest ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 24 2021 06: 07
    +7
    Does the author seriously think that the Americans can launch a missile strike on the republics? The author was very pleased with his "analytics" of Ukrainian "I will win all", "the west will help us." I have no more questions for the author.
    1. 113262a
      113262a April 24 2021 11: 02
      -3
      This is not only the author's opinion. The experience of the 14th suggests that nothing is impossible! And then the peaceful person sits in the basements, fucking with the thought that they have again been deceived. Moreover, apart from personal experience, there is also the example of Yugoslavia. And Axes are not Grads or even Hurricanes!
  • Shishkov
    Shishkov April 24 2021 06: 57
    +15
    Free advice to the author - you can write a whole series of articles of this kind - and about the ILC landing in Mariupol, and about the B-52 raid on Belarus, and about the shooting of Zumvolt in the Crimea from a railgun. You can add about the entry of 11 US aircraft carriers into the Black Sea through the canal built by Erdogan, bypassing the Montreux convention. We believe, Eugene, you can !!!
    1. Anzhey V.
      Anzhey V. April 24 2021 12: 11
      +5
      I'll steal the idea. This is a gold mine, comrade!)))
  • Bongo
    Bongo April 24 2021 07: 30
    +8
    For a number of reasons, I usually do not comment on Damantsev's "work", and I allow myself to do so only in exceptional cases. EMNIP last time this happened when it turned out that Yevgeny did not understand the difference between "radio command guidance of the second kind" and "semi-active radar guidance" of anti-aircraft missiles. But this article is just something! belay I could not even imagine that such "analytics" would appear on VO. wassat
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 24 2021 23: 55
      +2
      Quote: Bongo
      I could not even imagine that such "analytics" would appear on VO.

      And they say there is no progress.
  • Avior
    Avior April 24 2021 07: 32
    +8
    Good Saturday morning, coffee - and here you have Damantsev :)
    presented by 56 SCRMB "Tomahawk") strategic cruise missiles RGM-109E "Tomahawk Block IV" is 2400 km

    Tell someone Damantsev that Tomahawks with nuclear warheads had such a range, they were removed from service long ago and sawed off. Uninuclear range 1600 km
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  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 April 24 2021 07: 33
    +5
    What did the author smoke? What nonsense !!!!
  • Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima April 24 2021 07: 35
    +5
    And straight from Syria, these destroyers to the bottom isn’t sure .. because the missiles will fly in the direction of the Russian Federation .. or the Americans will warn the coordinates of the tomahawks a minute before launch ... what nonsense is described here .. who is the customer.
    1. 113262a
      113262a April 24 2021 11: 07
      -6
      Of course, of course, they will immediately sink!))) Straight, they will finish off from the shooters! When they shook with axes in Syria, I remember, it was so!)))
  • Sergst
    Sergst April 24 2021 08: 04
    +6
    Quote: rotmistr60
    ... I have no more questions for the author.

    Yes, there are questions not to the author, but to the editorial board. How long can you publish such bullshit? The advantage of VO has always been a fairly serious and professional level of information and its analysis. But such publications are already just some kind of nightmare, they have a place only in the yellow press. Come to your senses, editors!
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx April 24 2021 10: 01
      +4
      From the language of bullshit ..
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 24 2021 08: 50
    +1
    In the direction of the Aegean Sea, "Zircons" from the DPR and LPR can arrive ..... just the MiG31 with these missiles, which are based somewhere in the Southern Federal District.
    1. 113262a
      113262a April 24 2021 11: 08
      -6
      Yeah, they'll fly by, wave their pen and fly back! Maximum concern!
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx April 24 2021 10: 00
    +6
    I don’t understand one thing, well, is there really no elementary censorship on this resource? Already full "classmates" went. Maybe it's enough to produce such yellow pages?
  • Hagen
    Hagen April 24 2021 10: 13
    +7
    Therefore, it is easy to assume that in order to effectively repel such a "star raid" of "Tomahawks" on the Donbass republics (can be carried out only on the terminal section of the trajectories of the latter), at least two squadrons of Su-30SM / 35 multipurpose fighters will need to be deployed.

    I'm not a rocket scientist. Just an infantryman. But I would like to ask the author, since when did cruise missiles have "terminal trajectory sections"? These are usually found on ballistic missiles (from reentry to target). The winged ones have slightly different parts of the trajectories. But maybe something has changed?
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 April 24 2021 16: 36
      +5
      since when did cruise missiles have "terminal trajectory sections"

      It's so much more exciting ... wink
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO April 24 2021 10: 42
    +7
    I already recognize Damantsev by the first phrase :)
    This time, however, there are few abbreviations. Not in order!
  • niki233
    niki233 April 24 2021 10: 58
    +3
    have amers should completely rip off the roof that would throw tomogavki themselves! this will also be followed by a decision center response. and this is the third world! the author chill out will not be so harnessed for bouncing!
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 24 2021 11: 45
      0
      well, they can throw, but then they have a problem, because it turns out that they will break the promise they just made not to interfere, which will automatically allow them to be ignored in any negotiations
    2. Reiter
      Reiter April 24 2021 13: 32
      -1
      Well, in Syria, they had the courage to throw axes, so why not enough here? The likelihood of this is certainly not zero.
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 24 2021 11: 44
    +3
    hmm .. "a threat to the LDNR" .. why? but because in Odessa they saw troops moving towards the border with the PMR ... interesting .. so for the LDNR or for the PMR?
    1. aleks26
      aleks26 April 25 2021 00: 27
      0
      Quote: Barberry25
      in Odessa, we saw troops moving towards the border with the PMR ... I wonder ... so for the LPR or for the PMR?

      And what should they do in the PMR? Help Romanians? Give Russia a reason to strike a real blow at Ukraine? There are Russian peacekeepers there, legally. And warehouses of the 14th army. Russia will have to react to this.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine April 25 2021 00: 38
        +3
        Quote: aleks26
        After all, there are Russian peacekeepers, legally

        Not. There are no peacekeepers, there are local criminals and illegal immigrants from Russia with heavy weapons.
        Quote: aleks26
        Russia will have to react.

        Nothing will happen. Another thing is that Moldova has problems up to its throat even without small and victorious wars.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 April 25 2021 02: 11
          0
          tell Georgians about "nothing will happen" .. they will tell you about something that did not happen
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine April 25 2021 05: 21
            0
            Moldova does not yet have a border with Russia. Lucky for that.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 April 25 2021 09: 46
              0
              those. when the Moldovans are blown away and they decide to "slaughter the Russian peacekeepers" .. do you think "there is no border" will stop? Well, well ...
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 24 2021 12: 30
    +2
    It should be easier - not the terminal, but the final section. No need for anglicisms.
  • Archemor
    Archemor April 24 2021 13: 29
    +2
    It's like saying that the probability of a Poplar ICBM hitting Mozambique is high, because it is within reach.
    The United States has enough strength in Europe to roll the LDNR into the asphalt if it wants to. Why throw "axes"?
  • ultra
    ultra April 24 2021 13: 54
    +3
    When you determine the author by the title. wassat
  • Black lotos
    Black lotos April 24 2021 14: 15
    +6
    this Damantsev broke ... carry the next one.
    Illichivsk

    According to eyewitnesses, all of the above equipment carried out redeployment in the direction Ukrainian-Dnieper border

    apparently carried away by terms - already invented the border.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 24 2021 15: 34
    +4
    What "Tomahawks"? !!. What LDNR?! ..
    What nonsense?
    What the hell "Donald Cook" our legendary will do something there ?!
    In a foreign state? On what grounds?
    Who gave this authority?
    1. Angry
      Angry April 25 2021 09: 57
      +1
      Iraq. Libya. Yugoslavia. And the list will only get longer. The US itself dictates the rules without asking anyone. "Woe to the vanquished!"
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter April 25 2021 16: 37
        0
        The Russian Federation has no right to let such ventures pass.
        Confirmation of the cruel exercises in the Black Sea area.
        What is characteristic, the teachings turned off. But the airplanes (apparently the illumination of the surface situation) are fierce.
        And not only them.
        For the whole sea, I do not speak.
        I can see the area of ​​Cape Ilya / Cape Chauda.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR April 24 2021 17: 10
    +4
    Once again, the author himself invented someone's some kind of blow to someone, he outlined how and how it can be reflected and what needs to be done for this .... That's it, I don't even flip through Damantsev's articles anymore. For tired of the delirium of a useless person.
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd April 24 2021 17: 27
    +1
    Great doubts about the adequacy of the author. The strike of the CD, from American ships, is impossible a priori. The result may be their drowning. Russia outlined its position on Donbass and despite the lack of official recognition, statements about the protection of Russian citizens were made. Americans can iron those who cannot give back. To suffer fate in the Black Sea, without 200 grouping of allies? Hit the CD, on the border area saturated with electronic warfare means? Rave. You can hypothetically work out this option, and of course the army should be ready, but to scare the townsfolk with such a scenario, beyond good and evil. At 000%, such a development of events will lead to a big war, because Russia will not have a maneuver for reaction. Does the states need it?
  • MinskFox
    MinskFox April 24 2021 17: 42
    +3
    Hmm, this is a clinic ...
  • Sergey. just Sergei.
    Sergey. just Sergei. April 24 2021 17: 47
    -1
    PF ... Everything has been discussed with the Americans for a long time, aggression against the DLNR is aggression against Russia, with all the consequences, including about a blow to the decision-making centers ... Why did they give us a weekend in vain?
    At least rest before the war.
    1. Angry
      Angry April 25 2021 09: 59
      +1
      Sure. They will hit the May holidays.
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker April 24 2021 18: 22
    +2
    "The likelihood of a massive strike by Tomahawks on the LDNR army corps is still high."
    In war, of course, anything can happen. But why does the United States need to get involved in the fray? The author did not touch or substantiate this.
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship April 24 2021 18: 36
    +1
    Well that is the essence of the author's article boils down to the fact that now, supposedly, instead of the DNR and Ukraine, the USA will fight against Russia on this TVD. Cool ...
  • zwlad
    zwlad April 24 2021 19: 15
    -1
    Everything is lost! 112 axes will grind all the LDNR AF into powder!
    1. ironic
      ironic April 25 2021 16: 12
      +1
      The point is not that they will erase, but that if it comes to this, then the whole thing is very bad.
      1. zwlad
        zwlad April 26 2021 08: 20
        0
        Oddly enough, they also understand this behind the puddle and will not launch any tomahawks anywhere. It's a pity the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not understand this.
        1. ironic
          ironic April 26 2021 15: 31
          0
          I hope that the adequacy still outweighs.
  • Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 April 24 2021 19: 18
    0
    The author probably forgot or does not know that the United States and Britain always keep in the Mediterranean more than one of their own multipurpose nuclear submarines of the Virginia or Astyut type.
    So, on one such submarine there can be dozens of "Tomahawks". And these boats from the regions of the Aegean Sea can secretly strike without even entering the Black Sea.
    And Russia will not do anything with them militarily, let us not be naive children - Her Majesty's aircraft carrier group does not just wander there. Surely there is a multipurpose nuclear submarine in its composition. There is nothing to say about American submarines.
    And if I were on the other side and received such a building to strike the Kyrgyz Republic in the Donbass, I would never have used ships, especially from the Black Sea. Why take such a risk and substitute? There are submarines for this. The flight path of the missiles will mimic air defense systems from the Crimea. So there will be nothing to reflect a salvo of even a pair of submarines (30-50 CR).
    I would like to believe that this will not happen, but one of the options is above. Ships are unnecessary.
  • Tagan
    Tagan April 24 2021 19: 50
    0
    Quote: Kronos
    The Turks killed the citizens of Russia and no one declared war on them, the Azerbaijanis in Karabakh killed the military with these, everything is fine, and nobody will declare it.

    Do you think that few Turks have calmed down?
    Well, the Turks did not declare war on us.
  • Tagan
    Tagan April 24 2021 19: 57
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    Quote: Archemor

    The United States has enough strength in Europe to roll the LDNR into the asphalt if it wants to. Why throw "axes"?

    Russia can roll Europe into asphalt. I mean, enough strength. So, what is next? Will not be impatient. It may and would like to, but it is scary.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 25 2021 16: 10
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      It can only use nuclear weapons. And this is TMV.
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman April 24 2021 19: 58
    +2
    Delirium is doggy. Never in their life would the Yankees take such a step.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad April 24 2021 20: 01
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    The likelihood of a massive strike by the Tomahawks on the LDNR army corps is still high. Unexpected maneuver of the destroyers "Donald Cook" and "Roosevelt"


    even the most backward in Washington may not understand that after such a blow, the existence of Ukraine as a state can be forgotten and they need it as a state desperately. Therefore, the United States is now trying by all means to preserve Ukraine as a bleeding wound for the Russian world. They perfectly understand the limits of their support for Ukraine. for which Ukraine will have to be abandoned. At the same time, the Americans sacredly and to the point of stupidity believe in the myth that without Ukraine in its composition, Russia will never be a world power.
    The strangest thing is that the idea that the existence of the state of Ukraine, albeit Bandera and Russophobic, is better for Russia than the absence of a state in the place of the existing Ukraine, has taken root in the Russian government.
    In fact, we are playing into the hands of the West by thinking this way.
  • Tagan
    Tagan April 24 2021 20: 10
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    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: figvam
    For the citizens of Russia.

    Citizens of Russia, they are very different. If they hit the citizens from the Forbes list, then, of course, there would be a response, and so ...

    Oops,
    non-systemic opposition was drawn.)))
    The citizens of Russia may be different, but you, protesters-fighters,
    the same as from the same incubator. And bubo all the time the same thing.
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  • certero
    certero April 24 2021 20: 29
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Nobody will go for it

    And if it does? The military operates with opportunities
  • Maikl59
    Maikl59 April 24 2021 20: 48
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    As soon as, God forbid, one tomahawk flies out, the crews themselves must throw themselves overboard, because .... you yourself understand what will happen.
    1. Angry
      Angry April 25 2021 10: 03
      -1
      There will be nothing. Don't you understand WHAT will happen to Humanity after THIS?
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 24 2021 22: 46
    +1
    Ukraine again did not appear in the war promoted in the media, for the third time in a year, so the PR people are raging.

    Either the Ukrainians want to attack the dad, then the Transnistria, then the Crimea ...
    As a result, another zip in the media, and something new must be invented. This time about toimaghawks and destroyers.

    That the World Cup, the Aegean and Mediterranean seas are small, and ships can fire with calibers and tomahawks without departing from the berths, probably everyone knows.
    But now it is also a cunning plan by NATO.
  • Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 April 24 2021 22: 58
    +1
    Where does the infa about the two deployed regiments of the S-350 Vityaz air defense system come from?
    1. Toucan
      Toucan April 25 2021 06: 30
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      The author extracted this information by digging into the nose.
  • alstr
    alstr April 24 2021 23: 15
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    I may not catch up with something, but the start of more than a hundred CDs in our direction is a war.
    I will follow the answer right there. It doesn't matter that they shouldn't reach us - it is important that they are released in our direction.
    Just remember what happened to the idea of ​​making nuclear ballistic missiles - conventional ones.
    Let me remind you, then we said that ANY launch of such a missile is the beginning of a nuclear war. And the Americans shut up.
    Therefore, there will be no launch of hundreds of CDs. (and it is not necessary).
    1. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 April 24 2021 23: 59
      +1
      The republics of Donbass are not recognized by anyone - from the point of view of international law, this is the territory of Ukraine and it can ask to launch anything there, even within the framework of "exercises". And this launch no one will detect 0 the concept of the curvature of the Earth and the radio horizon has not been canceled. Then the United States and Britain have submarines with Tomahawks. They can also strike from the Aegean Sea. And there the missiles will go over the territory of Moldova and Ukraine. KR flying near the ground can be detected by our means at a distance of 35-40 km, no more. This is a difficult target for air defense systems.
      1. Angry
        Angry April 25 2021 10: 05
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        In addition, they have four more Michigans, which adds up to 600 tomahawks. Maybe they are already in SM.
      2. alstr
        alstr April 25 2021 12: 26
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        Does the overhead radar say anything to you?
        Read their performance characteristics.
        So all launches from the Mediterranean Sea are tracked. They can miss another 1-2 missiles, but the launch of a hundred is definitely not. And it does not matter how they are already flying - a blow to the Russian Federation is immediately assumed - with all the ensuing consequences.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine April 25 2021 12: 35
          +1
          Quote: alstr
          Over-the-horizon radar

          A mythical object also known as the "Eye of Sauron". Supposedly allows you to see any objects at any distance. In fact, it is capable of detecting specific targets (rather heavy ballistic missiles) under favorable conditions with extremely low azimuth accuracy. It is fundamentally incapable of distinguishing military objects from civilian traffic, if the signal of these objects is not of an extreme nature.
          1. alstr
            alstr April 25 2021 12: 42
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            The difference between a KR salvo from about one place and civilian traffic is very easy to distinguish. And further, exact coordinates are not needed - further such an unauthorized launch of missiles is a signal of the beginning of a war with the entry into force of the corresponding orders.

            Those. until the Tomahawks fly to Dombas, then it is quite possible that Europe and / or the United States will no longer exist.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine April 25 2021 13: 17
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              Quote: alstr
              The difference between a KR salvo from about one place and civilian traffic is very easy to distinguish

              Nothing is different there. A specific signal from the direction of about 9-12 hours. Distance plus or minus bast shoes on the map.
              Quote: alstr
              further such an unauthorized missile launch

              You are confusing ICBMs and CDs. If the massive launch of ICBMs can really cause concern, then the CD is a purely economic issue.
              Quote: alstr
              Tomahawks will fly to Dombas, then it is quite possible that Europe and / or the United States will no longer exist.

              There will probably not be large cities in Russia, and with the United States as a whole, everything is somewhat more complicated, with Europe even more so. Or are you writing from the 82nd year?
              And generally it is not harmful to remember. Conflicts of nuclear countries with non-nuclear ones, including attacks by non-nuclear countries on nuclear ones, happen all the time. The first time - Berlin 1948, the last - the Syrians and Lebanese start up all kinds of junk in the direction of Israel. Somehow they did without a fallout so far.
              1. alstr
                alstr April 26 2021 09: 54
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                Again. The FACT of the launch itself is important, about which we do not know. And we cannot know for sure that the released CDs do not carry nuclear weapons.
                Then the corresponding protocols come into effect. And there, if you remember, the President voiced blows to decision-making centers.

                And at the expense of conflicts, so far the nuclear powers have not been attacked in its main territory. All conflicts took place on the territory of third countries or far from the main part of the country.
                But even North Korea is not attacked by the US (which has a clear advantage in everything) because of its nuclear weapons.

                Now about the ZRLS - look carefully at their characteristics. They see ICBMs too.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine April 26 2021 10: 32
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                  Quote: alstr
                  It is SURE that the released CDs do not carry nuclear weapons.

                  Maybe you need to be treated already? Or will we hit the "decision-making centers" every time when someone launches a CD? There are thousands of CDs, hundreds of carriers.
                  Quote: alstr
                  as yet nuclear powers have not been attacked in its main territory

                  Damansky, India-Pakistan, Israel, Falklands. You also say that ORDLO is closer to the Falklands.
                  Quote: alstr
                  do not attack it for nuclear weapons.

                  An exemplary delusional argument. The DPRK received nuclear weapons in 2006. If Bush had been a sane person, he would have smashed the Koreans either immediately before this event or immediately after. And until 2006, no one stood behind the Kims for at least 20 years, it was possible to bomb without any questions at all.
                  1. alstr
                    alstr April 26 2021 11: 05
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                    Every time when they let the RC in approximately our direction, we are informed on a special line with an indication of the target. Likewise, we inform NATO about our launches. But if this does not happen, then other protocols will be turned on.

                    About conflicts.
                    Firstly, in all these conflicts, CDs were not used (they simply did not exist yet).
                    Actually, the threat of the use of long-range missiles by CD is the beginning of the 80s (Pershing)

                    Secondly, at the time of the conflict, India and Pakistan did not have nuclear weapons (conflict in 71, India in 74). Israel is similar (73 g last war, 79 - nuclear weapons from Israel).

                    Thirdly, the British had nuclear weapons on board. And the decision to use it was not made due to lack of need - they coped with conventional weapons.
                    the same thing with Damansky.

                    About North Korea. China has been behind it for a long time.
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine April 26 2021 11: 59
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                      Quote: alstr
                      Every time when they let the CD in about our direction, we are informed on a special line with an indication of the goal

                      As a rule, no one knows about this, unless the partners themselves inform.
                      Quote: alstr
                      Likewise, we inform NATO about our launches.

                      Ballistic.
                      Quote: alstr
                      Actually, the threat of the use of long-range missiles by CD is the beginning of the 80s (Pershing)

                      Learn materiel. Pershing not CD, but MRBM. By the way, in local conflicts, missiles of this class are used quite often.
                      Quote: alstr
                      India and Pakistan at the time of the conflict did not have nuclear weapons (conflict in 71, India in 74). Israel is similar (73 g last war, 79 - nuclear weapons from Israel).

                      Arrivals to Israel happen regularly, the last time in Kashmir with the use of aviation was in 2019.
                      Quote: alstr
                      coped with conventional weapons.
                      the same thing with Damansky.

                      That is, to scare.
                      Quote: alstr
                      ... China has been behind it for a long time

                      China in the late 80s and early 90s was on friendly terms with the United States with all its might.
                      1. alstr
                        alstr April 26 2021 14: 06
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                        Information on launches of CDs is transmitted in the same way, but in a more limited number of cases (i.e., if they can reach us).
                        Just reading the wiki about the shelling of an airfield in Syria:
                        "At night, at 04:42 - 04:56 local time (UTC + 3), after warning the Russian military through the" existing channels "[17] [18], two US Navy destroyers (USS Ross (DDG- 71) and USS Porter (DDG-78)), located near Crete, fired 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the Syrian airbase, one of which fell into the water immediately after launch [19] [20]. "

                        Key: "after warning the Russian military through" existing channels. "

                        About Pershing. Yes, they are ballistic missiles. But all the same, it was at the turn of the 70s and 80s that Tomahawks also appeared with a flight range of more than 2 thousand km. (earlier it was several times less), i.e. KR + Ballistic missiles could reach the territory of the USSR from Europe, where the most important strategic objects were located. And we could shoot through the whole of Europe. At the same time, significant hitting accuracy was ensured.
                        Those. KR missiles could be used as a strategic weapon and at the same time massively.
                        Therefore, the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles was concluded in 87, and it was on it that the ground-based CD was banned.
                      2. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine April 26 2021 14: 44
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                        Quote: alstr
                        Just reading the wiki about the shelling of an airfield in Syria:
                        "At night, at 04:42 - 04:56 local time (UTC + 3), after warning the Russian military through" existing channels "[17] [18]

                        In the situation of strikes on Syria, the Americans themselves warned. If you saw fit. It would be strange to expect such behavior in the discussed alternative.
                        Quote: alstr
                        KR missiles could be used as a strategic weapon and at the same time massively.

                        They could, but what's the difference? You - I will reformulate your thesis more correctly - stated that the early warning system responds to the CD. No, it doesn't react.
                        Quote: alstr
                        The Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles in 87 and It was under it that ground-based CD was banned.

                        The DRMSD was signed, because in the situation with the Pershins, it flew to Moscow in 10-15 minutes. That is, in the event of a false triggering of an early warning missile system, which came from both sides, there was no time to sort it out at all. This unnerved not only the Soviet side, but everyone in general - the Soviet side would panic in vain, it was hot in the heat, but life was one.
        2. TOR2
          TOR2 April 25 2021 12: 55
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          The over-the-horizon radar transmitter emits a radio signal with frequencies from 3 MHz to 30 MHz. The radio signal is reflected from the layers of the ionosphere and directed to the surface beyond the horizon. Part of this signal is reflected from the surface, layers of the ionosphere and goes back to the radar, to the receiver. Processing allows you to isolate signals and classify targets. No matter how low the object is flying above the surface.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine April 25 2021 13: 19
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            Quote: TOR2
            The over-the-horizon radar transmitter emits a radio signal with frequencies from 3 MHz to 30 MHz. The radio signal is reflected from the layers of the ionosphere and directed to the surface beyond the horizon. Part of this signal is reflected from the surface, layers of the ionosphere and goes back to the radar, to the receiver

            Ага.
            Quote: TOR2
            Processing allows you to isolate signals and classify targets. No matter how low the object is flying above the surface.

            But these are fairy tales. To listen to you, no satellites are needed, no AWACS.
            1. TOR2
              TOR2 April 25 2021 13: 29
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              Quote: Cherry Nine
              But these are fairy tales

              Over-the-horizon radars are deployed in areas where ballistic missiles will never be. Isn't it too expensive installation of a fairy tale?
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine April 25 2021 14: 00
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                Quote: TOR2
                where there will never be ballistic missiles. Isn't it too expensive installation of a fairy tale?

                That is, they won't catch ICBMs either? An elegant solution, you can even not connect to electricity. Too expensive - no, not too expensive. Good people work.
  • ironic
    ironic April 25 2021 16: 09
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    I really hope that it won't, but 56 of them have been sent across Syria. The nuclear war did not start.
  • yfast
    yfast April 24 2021 23: 16
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    Does the USA officially recognize and strike at the state of the LPNR? Or a blow to Ukraine? It's not even nonsense.
  • Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 April 25 2021 00: 08
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    Quote: Sergey. just Sergei.
    PF ... Everything has been discussed with the Americans for a long time, aggression against the DLNR is aggression against Russia, with all the consequences, including about a blow to the decision-making centers ... Why did they give us a weekend in vain?
    At least rest before the war.

    The ships that are mentioned have nothing to do with it. In which case, strikes will be delivered from nuclear submarines from the Aegean Sea - missiles will fly over the territory of Moldova and Ukraine in the direction of Donbass. No one on our side will detect this blow. Don't deceive yourself. Low-flying targets, difficult object for any air defense. There you still need to understand that it is flying "Tomahawks" or drones. And the strikes can be single, on the most important targets in the Donbass. Although there are no airfields or air defense systems on which such strikes are delivered.
    In the best case, in half a day they will begin to figure out who was shooting what.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 25 2021 16: 06
      -1
      Hopefully nothing like that happens. And another not a small war with the prospect of becoming a big one will not begin.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 25 2021 02: 53
    -1
    Quote: Hlavaty
    But this will already be an open US aggression against the Russian Federation. And in the scenario that I described a direct clash between the United States and the Russian Federation is absent.

    Apparently our response is to sink the destroyers, and Biden has been warned.
  • DLord
    DLord April 25 2021 03: 24
    +3
    The first sentence has 104 words. The author is recognized unmistakably! :-)
  • Elisarius
    Elisarius April 25 2021 08: 07
    -1
    And what is the problem to answer from all the trunks on the ruin and bomb it for a week until complete and unconditional, as they say. And this entire process should be accompanied by the deployment of all strategic nuclear forces to the launching positions. And for everyone to see it
    1. ironic
      ironic April 25 2021 16: 04
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      You also told your family that the Americans can pull up all their nuclear submarines without being seen, because there are many of them, and bombers can be met by carrier-based aircraft and anti-aircraft complexes of ships, of which there are also many. Are you sure your family would like to witness days like these ... the last days before the strategic nuclear exchange?
  • jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 April 25 2021 08: 39
    +2
    The author and maybe from the Baltic will hit through pshekov? Don't you consider this option?
    1. Semyon Sukhov
      Semyon Sukhov April 26 2021 00: 03
      +1
      It's easier from the moon ...
  • isker
    isker April 25 2021 09: 53
    +2
    Damantsev has dementia ???