Indian Air Force receives fifth batch of French Rafale fighters

The Indian Air Force received another batch of French Rafale fighters. According to Indian media, the planes arrived on their own on April 21, 2021.

India received the fifth batch of Rafale fighters. How many planes arrived from France in the party is not officially reported, however, according to media reports, four fighters landed at the Indian airfield.

The flight from the French airbase Mérignac took about 10 hours, refueling was carried out over the Gulf of Oman using the UAE Air Force A-330 MRTT tanker aircraft, which accompanied the fighters on a certain flight segment. In total, the fighters covered about 8 thousand kilometers.

Note that all flights of fighters, except for the very first one, were made without landing. When the first batch was delivered, fighters for pilots' rest and refueling landed at the Al-Dhafra airfield in the United Arab Emirates.

Thus, taking into account the newly arrived four aircraft, the Indian Air Force already has eighteen Rafale fighters out of thirty-six ordered. The first squadron of French aircraft has been formed, it will be based at the Ambala airbase. Another squadron of Rafale fighters will be based at Hasimara AFB near the border with China.

Delivery of all 36 fighters should be completed by the end of 2022. The first squadron will be operational by the end of this year, the second by 2023.

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[For example]

So they will compare.
Operation will put everything in its place.

They will count and weep.

[xorek]

The dances were probably staged with flowers .. Here the French robbed them on a large scale.

[hirurg]

Each creature has a pair. This is about the Indians.
I understand that they collect everything they can to develop their own.
But in our time, technology is developing at lightning speed.
And you need to concentrate on some one, otherwise you will not have time.
As they say after two birds with one stone ..
Won China has not yet mastered the Soviet hare, but he only chased after one.)

[Orange bigg]

Quote: For example

So they will compare.
Operation will put everything in its place.

They will count and weep.

Already wept when everyone counted.

.the deal is literally sewn with white threads. As evidenced by the prices for the best cars in this class. The fifth generation American fighter, the F-22, is the best of its generation, and costs $ 150 million. Before the Indian scandal, he was the most expensive fighter in the world. The F-35, also in its fifth generation, costs customers $ 100 million. Russian fighter of generation 4 ++ Su-35 - 75 million euros. And "Rafale", which made its first flight 35 years ago, - 218 million euros. This is contrary not only to common sense, but also to Indian law.

The cunning French know who to give.

In an article published in the weekly newspaper The Hindu, it is said that the French initially set a reasonable price for their plane. However, by the time the contract was signed, she had literally skyrocketed in an unknown way.

The French explain their scam as follows. The high cost is due to the fact that the Indians buy a very small batch - 36 fighters. Therefore, 7,9 billion euros must be paid for them. Now, if the batch was two or three times larger, then the price would have significantly decreased. Only naive people who do not exist in the Indian government can believe this. The fact is that the production of "Rafales" has been promoted, about 150 machines have been built for its Air Force. There are still three dozen to be completed. Now, if production was stopped, and then it had to be restored to satisfy the Indian order, then one could refer to the high cost of small-scale production. Moreover, Dassault Aviation is building 36 more fighters for Qatar. And these deliveries have already begun.

The Hindu also reports that, in the opinion of Indian pilots who began to master French fighters, they are not as good as they seemed at the time of signing the contract. Despite the fact that the "Rafale" was created for the conquest of air supremacy, its flight characteristics are rather mediocre when compared to aircraft of its class. The maximum speed at an altitude of only 1,8 M, at a low altitude and at all 1,1 M. The turning radius cannot be called small. And the maneuverability is poor.

The technology was never passed on to the Indians.

The Indian edition also cites one more important argument for the need to correct the mistake with the "Rafal" by replacing it with the MiG-35 fighter. The Russian car costs only 45 million euros. That is 4 times less than Rafale. As a result, a completely natural conclusion is drawn - it would be much more useful for India to buy Russian planes. And there is one more reason for that. India seeks to acquire technologies along with purchases of modern military equipment, realizing the principle of "Made in India". And this is not an empty slogan, but the name of one of the most important state programs.


Before signing the contract for the purchase of 36 Rafalei, the specialists of the manufacturer Dassault Aviation inspected the Indian aircraft industry. And when the contract was signed, the French said that there was no proper production culture in the country, and therefore technologies would not be transferred. Because if the "Indian Rafali" begin to fall and explode on takeoff, it will deal a crushing blow to the reputation of a respected company.

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[Herman 4223]

But there seems to be not only the cost of the planes in the contract, for this it is already expensive. Bulgarians, for example, ordered 8 f-16s for $ 1,2 billion.
Buy a set of equipment for the aircraft maintenance, spare parts. Train technical and flight personnel. Buy a set of ammunition, one aim-120 costs more than a million, and a tidy sum immediately rises to the cost of the aircraft.

[Barberry25]

the main thing here is how to submit ... and in any case it is cheaper to go towards modernizing dryers and purchasing a mig-35 ... in general, you need to quickly finish testing the mig-35 with afar, buy yourself 60 cars for the patrol service and offer the Indians

[Herman 4223]

24 mig-35 is planned under the rearmament program. But this is more questionable, almost all of the regiments from the mig-29 have been disbanded or transferred to other equipment. And the MIG-29 itself was not yet old; their purchases were in the tenths. In order to purchase it is still necessary to form new regiments and squadrons, to increase the staff.

[Barberry25]

and this is bad, for the patrol service you need about a hundred moment-35 ... the craving for gigantomania will play a bad thing for the VKS ..

[venik]

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They will count and weep.

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"Honored - touched ... Counted - wept ..."
Oh well! It would be better if they bought the Su-30 in addition - everything would be cheaper ... and more sense!

[Torins]

Why would you? Rafal is quite reliable and not confused pepelats.

[Barberry25]

Well, I don’t know .. did they succeed or not, but on condition that the Indians first scolded that the su-30, that the moment-29, and then briskly and without the usual broaches ordered the parties of both ..

[Holuay T.O]

The perfect plane, any Chinese will crash to the ground

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Holuay T.O.

The perfect plane, any Chinese will crash to the ground

What are your bold assumptions based on? Explain: Compare Rafal to J-20.

[Holuay T.O]

The quality of French avionics is beyond doubt

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Holuay T.O.

The quality of French avionics is beyond doubt

And all the other competitors of this aircraft have doubts about the quality of avionics? Do you think that only the French know how to make avionics for fighters?

[Holuay T.O]

I wrote about China

[Thrifty]

And for the price, even taking into account the service, planes will be expensive for Hindus.

[knn54]

The speed of the J-20 is one third faster.
The ceiling is 20 km, the "Raphael" - 15.
The engine thrust of the "Frenchman" is almost two times less.
The rest is comparable.
Let's not talk about pilots, organization, interaction.
With a threefold advantage of the budget, it is much easier for the Chinese to build up power and make up for the losses of their own production aircraft.
It is clear that the Indians cannot afford it, nor can they afford it.

[Andrey Korotkov]

I wonder whose pilots are overtaking Rafali

[agoran]

Francs, refueling by UAE tankers.

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: agoran

Francs, refueling by UAE tankers.

He also assumed that they took over the logistics chain.

[Mother Theresa]

I wonder if this is a quality check or winding up the engine life from scratch?

[agoran]

Hmm, I don’t envy the OBATO (Base) commander.
To supply this whole zoo, I don’t know how the Indians do with logistics.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: agoran

To supply this whole zoo, I don’t know how the Indians do with logistics.

And what is wrong?
Compared to our "zoo" in India, everything is not so bad.

[Soldatov V.]

In the photo, by the way, the Italian twin Yak-130 aircraft. If a person is a sucker, then how do not persuade him to persuade him and will remain. About French technology. How many reviews from Napoleon to the present day and the ships are good and the tanks and aircraft and the country's victories in defense and in the offensive no. One show-off. The Indians always win in training battles with the Americans on our planes, let them try against the Rafals.