The patrol ship of project 22160 can get new weapons and capabilities

The patrol ship of project 22160 can get different weapons and new capabilities, the specialists of the Northern PKB are ready to make changes to the project. About this in an interview TASS said the director general of the bureau Andrey Dyachkov.

According to him, the ship received the capabilities and weapons that the fleet ordered. If the Navy wants to change something for the patrol ships of Project 22160, then work on a new ship project will not take much time, since it was created with an open architecture as a base platform.

Dyachkov noted that at present the composition of the weapons and equipment of the patrol ships meets the tasks that were determined by the Ministry of Defense. Those. in other words, what they ordered is what they received.

Recall that the contract for the construction of a series of patrol ships of project 22160 was signed in 2014. A total of six corvettes should be built, all of them are intended for the Black Sea fleet.

The autonomy of the ships of the project 22160 is 60 days, the maximum speed is 30 knots, the crew is 28 people (base), it can be increased to 80 people. The cruising range is 6 thousand miles. Armament: 76-mm artillery mount AK-176MA, anti-aircraft missile system (MANPADS), machine guns. The ship provides the ability to install modular weapons, depending on the tasks to be performed. There is a place for basing the Ka-27PS helicopter.

Comments

[Thrifty]

Taking it as a basis, it was possible to build a massive corvette, armed with missiles and torpedoes, with its cruising range, the option of creating a corvette, possibly a highly specialized anti-submarine, or anti-missile defense, is easy to implement today.

[Artyom Karagodin]

Taking it as a basis, it was possible to build a corvette in large quantities

It would be a very good solution. Moreover, if you believe the above, it is faster than 20380/20385.

In general, I am glad that at last the project has been directed into a rational channel.

[mark1]

Duck, after all, if they had sent ...

In case the Navy wants to change something for patrol ships of Project 22160

[Artyom Karagodin]

Hmm, the devil is in the details. But, given that in the navy these ships do not know what to do, since they were originally built for very specific tasks, there is reason to believe that changes will still be made.

[mark1]

Yes, it seems to be asking, but the paths, as they say, are inscrutable, they can "light up" by the year 30 if they are honored.

[Nazar]

mark1 - There are already several of them. riveted, but the promised "modules" for them with weapons to this day are not there and no one is going to make them. As a result, the only weapon of this "miracle" is the 76mm cannon ... well, that is, like the T34-76 at the beginning of the war. Those who ordered "it" in the MO and then adopted it - should be tried for treason. What is there to design in advance - FSB officers need to be persuaded to take this hardware for themselves, but in the Navy this freak is not needed at all.

[donavi49]

He is on the light project plan of 30 knots. In the person ordered, with normal air / sea and - 28, in reality without MTU 25.

[Eldorado]

Already created 20380, why invent something new?

[Kalmar]

Quote: El Dorado

Already created 20380, why invent something new?

What do you mean why? Now, every one or two ships, they will again begin to redo the project so that the "people who are being taken away" will provide the rate of profit. 20380 in this regard has somehow exhausted the scope of decency (four times the project was redone), something new is needed.

[Bashkirkhan]

So torpedoes need 10 pieces, atomic, read from missile defense, at least Polyment Redoubt, armor so that you can put in a line, cannons like Yamato, you can't have a smaller caliber, they won't understand us, there are 6 atomic reactors by echelon, the speed of nodes is 40, GAK like Polynomial, rockets, there the mace will go.

[antivirus]

The VI of this corvette allows you to attach containers to it along the sides to enhance weapons - modularity
like suspended containers in aviation.

[Kalmar]

Quote: antivirus

The VI of this corvette allows you to attach containers to it along the sides to enhance weapons - modularity

I like. If you fasten modules with a flat deck, you get a helicopter carrier. And then collect several such ships into one aircraft carrier - as in the good old anime))

[Nazar]

antivirus - No modules, no personnel to maintain them, no database to store them either.
For that is, an unarmed piece of iron at the price of a warship and not one (!!!) - a series ... that's the one who did it - the enemy.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

So torpedoes need 10 pieces, atomic, read from missile defense, at least Polyment Redoubt, armor so that you can put in a line, cannons like Yamato, you can't have a smaller caliber, they won't understand us, there are 6 atomic reactors by echelon, the speed of nodes is 40, GAK like Polynomial, rockets, there the mace will go.

The industry will only be in favor. Especially if the term of work is such that or emir, or donkey...

[Barberry25]

then it's better to finish the karakurt under the TA, GAS and the helicopter hangar ..

[moreman78]

Quote: Barberry25

then it's better to finish the karakurt under the TA, GAS and the helicopter hangar ..

That's just a helicopter hangar for a light corvette and is not needed.

[Barberry25]

then it is no longer a corvette, but the IPC will be of some kind .. it will be cheaper to build a hangar .. the main thing is not to hit "we need an expensive air defense system" .. the Pantsir will be enough, or even two ..

[JD1979]

Quote: Thrifty

highly specialized anti-submarine, or air defense-missile defense-is easy to implement today.

Seriously?))) Well, you urgently explain in everything that they are ignoramuses, and cannot cram what they usually cram into a destroyer hull by 6-10kt, push a boat into 1,5kt to patrol the sea borders)))
You will immediately receive a chief designer, a star for your shoulder strap, and an adviser to the president for especially important fantasies.

[Anzhey V.]

But what exactly will they change?)

They have been talking about the possibility of modernization for a long time, this is not news ...

[Reserve buildbat]

And the crew of 28, can be increased to 80 - how's that? And what displacement, at least approximately?

[210ox]

Probably referring to the Marines. There is also a boat.

[Reserve buildbat]

So the Marines are supposed to be the trooper? Not credited to the crew?

[Thrifty]

Stock building battalion - so if an air defense-missile defense corvette is created on its basis, accordingly, specialized weapons, radars of various types will be deployed, and as a result, the crew will be increased to work on and service weapons and everything else!

[Reserve buildbat]

Thanks for the intelligible answer) I, as you might guess, not a sailor)))

[donavi49]

Then it is necessary to saw in sections -> take 2000 + tons - double the machine, transfer it from Zelenodolsk to the sea shipyard, because it will no longer pass through the Volga-Don.

Actually, now those volumes for armament are made in the format of residential premises.

In general, the article is not about anything at all. At the level, can you make a rocket cruiser out of Rook ?! Of course we can!

[Reserve buildbat]

And where does the mass of 2K + tons come from?

[donavi49]

Well, now he has a 1500 norm - 1700 full (I posted the official poster above), if you add even one section to the nose, then we are already taking 2000 tons. There will also be a problem with the engine, it will not be more powerful to buy a diesel engine, that is, you will have to double D49 = 2038x for the engine. The bottom line, and why is it needed? Isn't it easier to do unification?

[Reserve buildbat]

Due to my great literacy, I thought that they would add another 2K tons to him

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Thrifty

So, in the case of an air defense-missile defense corvette based on it, specialized weapons, radars of various types will be deployed accordingly, and as a result, the crew will be increased to work on and service weapons and everything else!

So specialized weapons will require internal volumes for themselves. The same bow slot, which is now occupied by cabins and social and cultural life.
So there may be problems with increasing the crew.

[Avior]

Physicians for a hospital, for example, or rescuers
Although a hospital with such a displacement will be difficult

[Castro Ruiz]

Neuzheli zdorovoy razum nakonec pobedil?

[Synoid]

Quote: donavi49

He is on the light project plan of 30 knots. In the person ordered, with normal air / sea and - 28, in reality without MTU 25.

Were you present at the running?
Or wet fabrications about 25?

[ramzay21]

What did those who ordered it and those who built it think?

[Soldatov V.]

In what equipment he is a purely patrol border guard. A modern fighter of the Navy is the presence of a mandatory form of air defense, anti-aircraft defense, anti-ship missiles, and hitting the shore with something. Most likely it was made fast for the next parade. A manly yacht resembles.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: V.

In what equipment he is a purely patrol border guard.

So 22160 was originally the PSKR. Moreover, the set of tasks voiced for him by 80% belongs to the competence of the FSB, and not the Navy.

[Soldatov V.]

Then there is nothing to break the spears.

[ramzay21]

Why does a border guard patrol have such a cruising range? And the main thing is such a cost? With a catastrophic shortage of anti-aircraft missile and air defense ships, because of which there is nothing to cover the deployment of SSBNs, the construction of such ships is a crime.
Although the construction of such ships in any situation is a crime and throwing people's money down the drain.

[Soldatov V.]

I am also surprised by the cost and timing of the construction of ships. The most expensive ship sheet metal costs one hundred thousand rubles a ton. One and a half thousand tons of displacement cost one hundred and fifty million rubles. For the design and construction of this ship, well, at least 300 thousand man-hours hours. An hour, let's say, costs 300 rubles ( 2400 per day) Where do tens of billions of rubles come from? I counted in one comment the cost of one hundred thousandth aircraft carrier - eleven billion rubles! Total (excluding planes) .We want to cut Ushakov for five billion, although for this money you can make candy out of him.

[ramzay21]

You forget about the interests of respected people and their lackeys. Then looking at them the same locust species also want something. If our bodies worked as expected, then our fleet would be built at a different pace and at such prices as you sound.

[maratkoRuEkb]

I minus you. Justify. Your comment sounds like this: I figured it out on my knee, it can't be so expensive. Everything is cheaper on my knee "
Awesome Mom's Accountant !! how do you know the prices? equipment prices? I am reporting prices to you from KB and MO ??? what kind of nonsense did you write ?? These are all your inventions, inventions and fantasy. Do not write such comments, just disgrace yourself.

[Soldatov V.]

I am writing from personal experience, I worked as a deputy chief shipbuilder of a shipyard before the collapse of the USSR. I took the price from the price list this week from the manufacturer. The price of a ship consists of many components, this is the cost of energy and the cost of engines, electrical equipment, etc.
For simplified operations with numbers, it all comes down to the tonnage or meter of length of the vessel. One of the main parameters is the cost and the number of man-hours for the design and manufacture (or construction) of the vessel. For example, an aircraft carrier 3500000 thousand man-hours, less a ship less hours. A man-hour has a price. I took the average, in my opinion, price of 300 rubles per hour for which you can hire a qualified specialist. Yes, I counted everything on my knees, I would like this site to be read by an estimator from a modern shipyard and calculate, for example, the cost of a 100 meter vessel, and tell me where I am deeply mistaken Thank you for your feedback on my comment.

[maratkoRuEkb]

Personal experience is very good, accept my respect. Well, if there is a desire, then let's figure out about the cost of the ship: please provide a link to the price list where you saw the prices, I myself also want to see. And the second question, the ship needs to be compared with its brethren, with whom do you think it should be compared to foreign ships?

[Soldatov V.]

I just typed "sheet ship iron" and the manufacturers came out, then chose an authoritative one in my opinion and he gave a price. Metal from one millimeter to 20. Prices from a ton. For this ship, metal is 5-6 millimeters. Ice class starts from 8-10. Similarly, you can find propellers, marine engines, turbines, choose by power.
on armament, in principle, the same is possible. When working with iron in Soviet times, they paid 2-3 kopecks per ruble from the cost of work-welding, cutting, bending machines. I think it will be more honest for man-hours. You need to understand man-hours, this is not material, but work with material,
equipment. On the Internet there are approximate figures of man-hours for each type of vessel. In general, in my comments on the aircraft carrier, I also tried to explain the pricing, but somehow no one paid attention. I'll try to write an article on our website. I'll look for the governing documents and Register rules. I didn't seem to throw it away.
If you will calculate the price, take into account the lead (first) vessel costs twice as much as the serial (second and next) vessels, they write off adaptations, conductors, everything that helps to build a series of vessels quickly and on time.
I don’t even know what to compare with. Apart from a cannon, it seems to have no weapons. A helicopter? Well, a machine gun, maybe a block of unguided missiles, a couple of guided missiles - I can't think of any more. Goodbye.

[ramzay21]

Thank you for the interesting comment from a specialist! The opinion of a knowledgeable person is always interesting.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ramzay21

Why does a border guard patrol have such a cruising range?

The range gets out of the autonomy of 60 days. That is, the PSKR must be on duty for at least 50 days in the area, intercepting violators.

[Soldatov V.]

What is marked on the diagram as a cofferdam is called a forepeak, and at the stern an afterpeak. Cofferdam is usually made between the engine room and the holds, or passenger compartment. The distance between bulkheads is from 30 cm.

[Pavel57]

The practice of deep modernization of ships shows that it takes a long time and is expensive. In this case, you need to quickly.

[forcecom]

Retrofit with PDSS means and give it to the border guards or directly to the FSB, there they will look better.