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The US rover received oxygen from the Martian atmosphere for the first time

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The first device for the extraction of oxygen outside the Earth was tested on Mars. The Perseverance rover (USA) for the first time in stories received oxygen from a particle of the Martian atmosphere, most of which (96 percent) is carbon dioxide.


This was reported by the press service of NASA.

On board the rover is a small device for separating oxygen atoms from carbon dioxide molecules. The size of the device resembles a toaster and is called MOXIE.

The device was tested on April 20. Before that, he, together with the rover, withstood a seven-month flight to the Red Planet aboard a spacecraft, arriving there on February 18.


To obtain oxygen from carbon dioxide, MOXIE requires a temperature of approximately 800 Celsius. A byproduct that is released into the planet's atmosphere is carbon monoxide, or carbon monoxide.

Of course, the volume of the first mined batch is extremely insignificant - only 5 grams (enough for human breathing for 10 minutes), but the experiment proved that such production is possible, and the device for producing oxygen can be delivered to Mars in good condition. Its productivity is 10 grams per hour.

In the future, the oxygen produced by the device is planned to be used not only for breathing astronauts, but also for rockets that can launch from the surface of Mars and return people to Earth.

Shortly before this, for the first time in history, an unmanned helicopter, delivered there along with Perseverance, made a successful flight on Mars. This became a confirmation that UAVs can be used in the rarefied atmosphere of the Red Planet.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 22 2021 13: 02
    +10
    Great news!
    True, the question from "Carnival Night" (there is life on Mars) has not yet removed)))
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara April 22 2021 13: 12
      -1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Great news!
      True, the question from "Carnival Night" (there is life on Mars) has not yet removed)))

      More interesting is the question of whether she was there. And now a planet without a magnetic field has little chance. Well done, the oxygen was extracted, it's a pity there is no hydrogen and nitrogen. By the way, the atmosphere of Mars is carbon dioxide, on the same submarines there have been systems for oxygen regeneration for a long time, what is the difficulty?
      1. Civil
        Civil April 22 2021 13: 16
        +1
        The Americans deployed ... a helicopter, a tractor ... and now an oxygen plant, it's enviable.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara April 22 2021 13: 21
          -9
          Quote: Civil
          The Americans deployed ... a helicopter, a tractor ... and now an oxygen plant, it's enviable.

          Americans are good fellows that all this is sponsored. And the technologies there are far from only amerovskie. Well, technically launching a drone is not difficult. The atmosphere, although it is more rarefied than on Earth, nevertheless, there are storms there too.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 April 22 2021 13: 50
            +3
            Quote: Vol4ara
            The atmosphere, although it is more rarefied than on Earth, nevertheless, there are storms there too.

            there the force of gravity is weaker, which is why it turned out
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara April 22 2021 13: 55
              +2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Quote: Vol4ara
              The atmosphere, although it is more rarefied than on Earth, nevertheless, there are storms there too.

              there the force of gravity is weaker, which is why it turned out

              So the density of the atmosphere corresponds to that of the Earth at an altitude of 35 km, I wonder what speed the engines have ...
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 April 22 2021 16: 08
                +4
                The declared revolutions of the Ingenuity propeller are 2400 per minute, or 40 per second, the speed of movement of the ends of the Ingenuity blades is about 150 meters per second. The assumption was voiced that the working speed would be slightly higher.
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 April 22 2021 20: 35
                  +3
                  Yes Yes. Great news.
                  It will go down in history.
                  Three hundred years later on the history exam:
                  - What were the first human actions when landing on Mars?
                  - Carbon monoxide poisoning of the Martian atmosphere.
          2. Sarboz
            Sarboz April 22 2021 13: 54
            +1
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Well, technically, launching a drone is not difficult. The atmosphere, although thinner than on Earth, nevertheless, there are storms there too.

            Of course well done. In principle, the drone was launched in order to demonstrate the possibility of flight in the Martian atmosphere. Check if everything is as expected. The atmosphere is less rarefied, but gravity is less.
          3. Cosm22
            Cosm22 April 22 2021 16: 03
            +5
            Launching a drone is not difficult ...
            Is it even easier to fly to Mars and successfully land on its surface?
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara April 22 2021 17: 57
              0
              Quote: Cosm22
              Launching a drone is not difficult ...
              Is it even easier to fly to Mars and successfully land on its surface?

              And what is the article about? Read the article and thread before arguing
            2. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich April 23 2021 07: 02
              -1
              Quote: Cosm22
              Launching a drone is not difficult ...
              Is it even easier to fly to Mars and successfully land on its surface?

              The most difficult thing now is to return home from Mars.
        2. Martin
          Martin April 22 2021 13: 31
          .
          Quote: Civil
          yes enviable

          Why envy? It cannot be so that all the technical progress is being dragged by Russia. The first car was also not made in Russia. Now all of humanity is using. The first military vaccine against the "corona" was made by Russia. Now the whole world is enjoying it. Well, whoever wants to use it.
          Humanity is taking its first steps on Mars. And very good. Mars still can't do without us.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 22 2021 17: 18
            +6
            The first CNC machine, the first argon-arc welding machine, the first MRI and many other things, were created in the USA, whatever one may say, and they have been at the head of scientific and technological progress for a long time.
          2. atalef
            atalef April 24 2021 14: 00
            0
            Quote: Martyn
            The first military vaccine against the "corona" was made by Russia. Now the whole world is enjoying it.

            well, not all. and far from all.
            then no one was going to make a vaccine based on adenovirus - these are outdated technologies without the possibility of improvement against mutations.
            Vaccines Modern, Faizer, etc. are RNA vaccines - a completely different level.
        3. Murmur 55
          Murmur 55 April 22 2021 13: 34
          -2
          There are not many, but then another America chose the direction and invested funds and technologies on Mars, and we were in the role of catch-up, ours chose hyper sound and also went to bed, the USA is forced to catch up.
          1. Disant
            Disant April 22 2021 15: 35
            +1
            our chosen hyper sound

            I would say that we chose materials science. And this is hypersound, and peaceful, and military atom, lasers, 3D printing on new principles
        4. Disant
          Disant April 22 2021 15: 21
          -3
          The Americans turned around ... a helicopter, a tractor.

          which tractor?
          Isn't it the one that was designed in the 70s for the extraction of helium on the Moon -18-20 tons weighing a machine + a processing plant?
          In it, in the tractor, instead of an engine, there was a magic crystal for generating energy. remember, remember
      2. Intruder
        Intruder April 22 2021 13: 26
        +4
        sorry there is no hydrogen and nitrogen
        Full, in the atmosphere:

        It is believed that Mars produces about 270 tons of methane per year. According to the conditions on the planet, methane decays quickly, in about 6 months. For methane to exist in detectable quantities, there must be active sources below the surface. Volcanic activity and serpentinization are the most likely causes of methane formation.
        By the way, methane is one of the reasons why the planet's atmosphere is blue at sunset. Methane diffuses blue color better than other colors. Methane is a byproduct of life and is also the result of volcanism, geothermal processes, and hydrothermal activity. Methane is an unstable gas, so there must be a source on the planet that continually replenishes it. He must be very active, because research has shown that methane is destroyed in less than a year.
        That is, molecular hydrogen can also be obtained from it !!!
        And nitrogen, there: 2,7% ...
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara April 22 2021 13: 29
          -2
          Quote: Intruder
          sorry there is no hydrogen and nitrogen
          Full, in the atmosphere:

          It is believed that Mars produces about 270 tons of methane per year. According to the conditions on the planet, methane decays quickly, in about 6 months. For methane to exist in detectable quantities, there must be active sources below the surface. Volcanic activity and serpentinization are the most likely causes of methane formation.
          By the way, methane is one of the reasons why the planet's atmosphere is blue at sunset. Methane diffuses blue color better than other colors. Methane is a byproduct of life and is also the result of volcanism, geothermal processes, and hydrothermal activity. Methane is an unstable gas, so there must be a source on the planet that continually replenishes it. He must be very active, because research has shown that methane is destroyed in less than a year.
          That is, molecular hydrogen can also be obtained from it !!!
          And nitrogen, there: 2,7% ...

          A drop in the sea there is methane, 270 tons per year is not even funny
          1. Intruder
            Intruder April 24 2021 03: 10
            0
            A drop in the sea there is methane, 270 tons per year is not even funny
            in the ground, or rather under it, there is most likely more of it, like on the old Earth !? wink
      3. Sarboz
        Sarboz April 22 2021 13: 41
        +9
        Quote: Vol4ara
        More interesting is the question of whether she was there.

        We live in amazing times. The development of technology is unfolding in an incredible progression. What we read about in our youth in science fiction books is now becoming commonplace.
        1. Disant
          Disant April 22 2021 15: 12
          .
          The development of technology is unfolding in an incredible progression. What we read about in science fiction books in our youth is now becoming commonplace.

          if you are talking about an article - has something new been invented?
          the progression .... also incredible. I do not think so.
          .
          News:
          “A laser was slammed into a flask with a Martian atmosphere. The laser and flask were brought to the surface of Mars for one billion dollars.
          Next year, the flask and laser will be delivered to the surface of the asteroid belt. The laser and the bulb will be delivered to the surface of the asteroid for two billion dollars. "
          .
          There is no progression, and even more incredible, there is no - the same laser and a bulb - on Earth, on Mars, or on an asteroid. Only pay money.
          .
          But the very fact of delivering something as far as possible or on new principles is a success.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich April 23 2021 07: 05
            0
            Quote: Disant
            if you are talking about an article - has something new been invented?
            the progression .... also incredible. I do not think so.
            .

            Give you a flight to Alpha Centauri right away.
            less than this is not accepted.
        2. Martin
          Martin April 22 2021 17: 51
          +4
          Quote: Sarboz
          What we read about in our youth in science fiction books is now becoming commonplace.

          Not really. The vector of development is noticeably different from the science fiction of the 60s ... 70s. There, at the end of the XX - beginning of the XXI centuries, the solar system was already colonized, on Mars, the moons of Saturn and Jupiter, human colonies worked on asteroids. Yurkovski rushed between them on "Takhmasib" and inserted caps to careless leaders. But these planets were equipped with cathode-ray oscilloscopes, pointer instruments and analog calculators on punched tape.
          With us, things went differently. By the beginning of the 60st century, we had not made any qualitative progress in space exploration, the same near-earth orbits as in the XNUMXs, but the smartphone in every pocket is significantly superior to the on-board computers of science fiction spacecraft. I'm not even talking about modern avionics.
          To paraphrase your statement, I will say: “Now it is becoming commonplace that the science fiction writers did not even suspect. To the detriment of their dreams of space expansion. "
      4. Undecim
        Undecim April 22 2021 13: 46
        -1
        On the same submarines, oxygen regeneration systems have been installed for a long time, what is the difficulty?

        Are there submarines on Mars?
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara April 22 2021 13: 52
          +2
          Quote: Undecim
          On the same submarines, oxygen regeneration systems have been installed for a long time, what is the difficulty?

          Are there submarines on Mars?

          Do you want to practice demagoguery, prove then that they are not there
          1. Undecim
            Undecim April 22 2021 17: 02
            0
            No, I want you to practice expanding your erudition.
            Oxygen is not produced from carbon dioxide on submarines.
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara April 22 2021 17: 55
              +3
              Quote: Undecim
              No, I want you to practice expanding your erudition.
              Oxygen is not produced from carbon dioxide on submarines.

              Oh god, where do you come from? sit down 2
            2. Martin
              Martin April 22 2021 18: 00
              +2
              Quote: Undecim
              Oxygen is not produced from carbon dioxide on submarines.

              From the presentation "Chemistry and Chemists in Military Service":
              “On submarines and space stations, alkali metal peroxides are used to provide oxygen due to its regeneration from exhaled CO2
              2К2О2+2СО2=2К2СО3+О2»
        2. Martin
          Martin April 22 2021 18: 01
          +1
          Quote: Undecim
          Are there submarines on Mars?
          Well, if there are helicopters, then why not submarines?
      5. atalef
        atalef April 24 2021 13: 58
        0
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Great news!
        True, the question from "Carnival Night" (there is life on Mars) has not yet removed)))

        More interesting is the question of whether she was there. And now a planet without a magnetic field has little chance. Well done, the oxygen was extracted, it's a pity there is no hydrogen and nitrogen. By the way, the atmosphere of Mars is carbon dioxide, on the same submarines there have been systems for oxygen regeneration for a long time, what is the difficulty?

        complexity in nitrogen (which you need to bring) and energy.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z April 22 2021 14: 30
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Great news!
      True, the question from "Carnival Night" (there is life on Mars) has not yet removed)))

      Since there is so much carbon dioxide, - 96%, it means that it once was. What happened to them? Read the story
      Robert Sheckley's "Ultimate Weapon"!
  2. Alien From
    Alien From April 22 2021 13: 02
    +6
    Well done mattresses.
  3. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik April 22 2021 13: 05
    +3
    Fiction that becomes reality. In 10-15 years a manned flight to Mars will become a reality. The question is who will be the first China or the United States. The new Martian race is starting, it's good news. The United States has more advanced technologies, while China has a lower threshold for the value of human life.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman April 22 2021 13: 09
      +3
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      ... In 10-15 years a manned flight to Mars will become a reality.

      To fly to the moon for a start ...
      1. vkl.47
        vkl.47 April 22 2021 13: 58
        .
        This is exactly. Considering the fact that there have never been amers on the moon.
    2. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 April 22 2021 13: 38
      0
      In the 70s, too, they did not think a lot and a person would become an inter-planetary species, but things are still there.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik April 22 2021 13: 40
        +1
        So the USSR collapsed, the USA's competitor disappeared. There was no need to strain. Now there is China and there is a threat to lose the Martian race.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre April 22 2021 14: 19
          +3
          So the USSR collapsed, the USA's competitor disappeared.
          The key problem is not the presence or absence of a competitor, but the cost of putting 1 kg of cargo into orbit and beyond. A person can become a space species at a cost of such an output of $ 200-300 per kg.
          Not earlier.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 22 2021 17: 23
        0
        But funding for projects of long-range manned flights in the United States and the USSR was curtailed in the 70s, since such programs cost hundreds of billions of dollars.
    3. Avior
      Avior April 22 2021 17: 20
      0
      With the current pace of development of robotics, control systems and information display, it is likely that anthropomorphic robots will be the first to visit Mars.
      And the parcel will be sent back with samples of Martian soil (and flora and fauna, if caught, of course :))
  4. knn54
    knn54 April 22 2021 13: 05
    +5
    Ok, but two questions:
    - the cost of the technical process.
    - how to get nitrogen, the main gas in the atmosphere.
    1. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov April 22 2021 13: 19
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      Ok, but two questions:
      - the cost of the technical process.
      - how to get nitrogen, the main gas in the atmosphere.

      I will not say anything about the cost price, but nitrogen is present in the atmosphere of Mars, a little less than or more than 2 pr.
    2. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 April 22 2021 13: 22
      0
      And the third question: what about the earth's radiation belt above the magnetic and hard radiation outside the magnetosphere?
      Making lead hulls for ships? Or lead suits?
      1. Andrey Korotkov
        Andrey Korotkov April 22 2021 13: 50
        +2
        Quote: mojohed2012
        And the third question: what about the earth's radiation belt above the magnetic and hard radiation outside the magnetosphere?
        Making lead hulls for ships? Or lead suits?

        Without protection: scientists talk about 100 days, the possible stay of an astronaut in such conditions, and about a trip to one (without major consequences) the end, when returning to Earth, a person will not live long.
        1. mojohed2012
          mojohed2012 April 22 2021 15: 58
          +1
          We must also remember that since Mars does not have such a magnetosphere as the Earth and a dense atmosphere, therefore, on its surface, astronauts will receive a dose of radiation all the time.
          Therefore, a man's flight to Mars seems to be a utopia, or a matter for kamikaze people who sacrifice health and life for the sake of science and an interesting event.
          Musk's statements about the prospects for the settlement of Mars are aimed at attracting new funds for his projects and that's it.
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 22 2021 14: 24
        +2
        According to the data of the past rover, you can fly with a bare ass and come back alive.
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 22 2021 21: 04
        0
        "Make lead ship hulls? Or lead spacesuits?" ///
        ----
        Generate a magnetic field around the ship.
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 22 2021 13: 53
      0
      Quote: knn54
      - how to get nitrogen, the main gas in the atmosphere.

      from soil nitrates
  5. APASUS
    APASUS April 22 2021 13: 05
    +2
    Of course, the volume of the first mined batch is extremely insignificant - only 5 grams (enough for human breathing for 10 minutes), but the experiment proved that such production is possible, and the device for producing oxygen can be delivered to Mars in good condition. Its productivity is 10 grams per hour.
    In the future, the oxygen produced by the device is planned to be used not only for breathing astronauts, but also for rockets that can launch from the surface of Mars and return people to Earth.

    How reliable should such devices be?
    1. Per se.
      Per se. April 22 2021 13: 40
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      How reliable should such devices be?
      The Yankees in Afghanistan had problems with helicopters in mountainous areas (we also had a difficult time with the takeoff and landing of the turntables). On Mars, near the surface, the average atmospheric pressure is 0,6 kPa or 6 mbar, which is 160 times less than Earth's, and corresponds to our Earth's height of 35 kilometers. Just a miracle, not a drone.

      No less a miracle, all American rovers, without a hitch flew to Mars, perfectly sat down, and have been working there for many years. This is despite the fact that the average temperature on Mars is minus 63 degrees Celsius. At the same time, dust is constantly present in the atmosphere of Mars, the clouds of which, due to the low force of gravity, rise to a height of 50 kilometers. Strong winds, due to large temperature changes, blow at speeds of up to 100 meters per second, creating giant sandstorms. The rarefied atmosphere hardly hinders the transported dust and sand, which rises in tons above the planet's surface, storms can rage for up to 50 and 100 days.

      NASA makes a wonderful technique, in terrestrial conditions, in the same Sahara, even in the fields of Texas, such robots would not last a year without maintenance. Mars is a completely different matter, and what wonder, after the miraculous conquest of the moon 50 years ago, everything is also trouble-free and from the first call.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 22 2021 17: 26
        -3
        Alas, the USSR did not have its own NASA, so we stayed with Mars on the flyby, and with Mercury, there was not a single mission from our side to it.
  6. donavi49
    donavi49 April 22 2021 13: 06
    +13
    Helicopter flight.
  7. Niko
    Niko April 22 2021 13: 06
    -1
    People work, it's even enviable. And our all annual plan announces that "here kaaaaak we will take it! Then uuuuh ... what will happen ...."
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 April 22 2021 13: 23
      -1
      What do you want from journalist Rogozin? PR is his element, not business!
      1. slipped
        slipped April 22 2021 16: 20
        -1
        Quote: mojohed2012
        What do you want from journalist Rogozin? PR is his element, not business!


        O staff mourners pulled up lol
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 April 22 2021 21: 06
        -2
        laughing I wonder why there are no such claims to the previous chapters of Roscosmos?
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 April 22 2021 13: 10
    +2
    The US rover received oxygen from the Martian atmosphere for the first time
    So these are real steps towards the future colonization of the planet! An interesting experiment that has prospects for practical application.
    "Fly to Mars" and all that.
  9. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown April 22 2021 13: 13
    +2
    The beginning of the exploration of Mars has been laid !!! good
    Airplanes were also the first to take off, and now there are so many things flying in space. drinks
  10. Intruder
    Intruder April 22 2021 13: 23
    +1
    To obtain oxygen from carbon dioxide, MOXIE requires a temperature of approximately 800 Celsius. A byproduct that is released into the planet's atmosphere is carbon monoxide, or carbon monoxide.
    something reminded about the work of a solid oxide fuel cell, I wonder what is inside !? There, also the temperature for some types is up to + 500 - +750 Celsius, and oxides are formed at the outlet, or is it still a unitary device, but with narrow functionality?
    1. Sarboz
      Sarboz April 22 2021 13: 47
      0
      Quote: Intruder
      something reminded about the work of a solid oxide fuel cell, I wonder what is inside !? There, also the temperature for some types is up to + 500 - +750 Celsius, and oxides are formed at the outlet, or is it still a unitary device, but with narrow functionality?

      Well, here are the reverse chemical processes. In a fuel cell, electricity is generated during oxidation. And here, most likely, on the contrary, electricity is used to breakdown CO2. Temperature in both cases, as I naively believe, is necessary for the catalyst to work.
  11. Intruder
    Intruder April 22 2021 13: 34
    +1
    Its productivity is 10 grams per hour.
    Martian or Earth Hour !? So they are different, that is, approximately - 87,6 kg of oxygen per year, just can you recharge fuel cells at automatic stations and rovers, and take energy from RITEGs or from photovoltaic panels !?
  12. pytar
    pytar April 22 2021 13: 36
    -4
    Bravo! NASA fellows! good One after another, messages about new mission successes come! Real successes, not like ... you know who. While Rogozin sings songs and works with photocollars, NASA is working!
    Vadim Lukashevich on the situation from Space:
    1. hrych
      hrych April 22 2021 13: 58
      +1
      Boyan is enough for us to steam the button accordion wassat So what about space exploration in Bulgaria? wassat Bravo then anything? The experiment is not only unnecessary, but laughable. And this reaction from the school course is extremely energy-consuming and dangerous.
      1. pytar
        pytar April 22 2021 14: 21
        -3
        Boyan is enough for us to steam the button accordion

        Hrych, you confuse me with Rogozin ... wassat True, he did not play the button accordion, but still ...


        So what about space exploration in Bulgaria?

        More or less norms. We participate in ESA from the development / manufacture of equipment, there is also an order from NASA. BulSAT-1 was taken to the geostationary station from Falcon Musk. The price was very high even for us. hi

        The experiment is not only unnecessary, but laughable. And this reaction from the school course is extremely energy-consuming and dangerous.

        Hundreds of thousands of years ago, so one native said to another. The first lay under the tree and waited for the coconut to fall, and the second chopped down the tree to make the first boat ... laughing
        1. hrych
          hrych April 22 2021 14: 43
          -1
          Why are you greasing the Americans? These are their merits. When will a Bulgarian launch vehicle with space Bulgarians reach orbit? Don't bother answering - never. You came here to criticize the space power and its achievements with a soul ... hominy wassat For the information of helluva lot of smart people, "Perseverance" was delivered by an Atlas-5 carrier rocket with Russian RD-180 engines. And these Papuans in the photograph belong to your "scientific state". wassat
          1. pytar
            pytar April 22 2021 15: 02
            +3
            Why are you greasing the Americans? These are their merits.

            Hop, you your dissatisfaction, do not throw at me. laughing You know, I will be the first to congratulate the Russians when there is a reason! And I will be sincerely glad! good
            When will a Bulgarian launch vehicle with space Bulgarians reach orbit?

            You are as cosmic as I am. lol It is unlikely that you have at least some, even the most remote participation in space programs. But this does not bother you to express your opinion on VO, right? And I know I'm not going to ask your permission ... yes
            You came here to criticize the space power and its achievements with a soul ... hominy

            Yes, and I praise when there is something! Listen, trying to be rude, then you're wrong! bully
            For the information of helluva lot of smart people, "Perseverance" was delivered by an Atlas-5 booster rocket with Russian RD-180 engines.

            I know, I know ... the last and final delivery was a week ago. And that's all ... finito. request
            And these Papuans in the photo belong to your "scientific state".

            There are three Papuans. Two are working, and one is sitting under a tree and chatting ... "The experiment is not only unnecessary, but ridiculous. And this reaction from the school course is extremely energy-consuming and dangerous." wassat
          2. A.TOR
            A.TOR April 22 2021 15: 30
            0
            Why do you allow yourself to offend a person and, in his person, the whole country?
            States are different, with different capabilities and potentials, but they unite to solve complex and difficult tasks. And voluntarily.
            And he did not criticize anything - he voiced only what people in Russia who are "in the subject" are talking about.
            Russia should (my personal opinion) take part in the Gateway program on any (I emphasize: ON ANY) conditions.
            1. hrych
              hrych April 22 2021 15: 50
              -2
              Thanks, but I don't need advice. Moreover, Bulgaria is our enemy. Or rather, as the Supreme Commander put it about Sherkhan's singers wassat It is a member of the anti-Russian bloc - NATO. In both world wars, she fought against Russia, and if a mess happens now, our nuclear warheads will level this country to the surface, automatically. How did you want? To be in a hostile bloc and get away with it. Not.
              Quote: A.TOR
              what are the people who are "in the subject" talking about in Russia itself?

              In "in the subject", in the sense of knowing the capsi? Those. the foreign agent-biting agent of the leading space power has come here, but don't you say a word to him?
              Quote: A.TOR
              my personal opinion

              Thank God that our academicians and the General Staff do not take your opinion into account. Somehow, without you, they cope with the country's defenses and hitchhike the Americans. And there is no need to say here that they themselves began to fly. They started trying to fly wassat and all the problems are ahead.
              1. A.TOR
                A.TOR April 22 2021 16: 50
                0
                A. Einstein once said about Paul Dirac: "When talking with our friend Paul, I sometimes understand with horror what a fine line separates reason and madness."
                Reading your posts, I sometimes get the same thought about you.
                1. hrych
                  hrych April 22 2021 17: 18
                  -2
                  What didn't you like? That a NATO member is going to be personally charged with nuclear weapons? This is Openel's secret and should be clear to everyone on the militarists' website. If the Bulgarian army is integrated into the army of the hosts and is preparing to fight with Russia, why should our General Staff regret nuclear devices for it? No need to regret. We also need to add a bonus. wassat
              2. atalef
                atalef April 24 2021 14: 17
                0
                Quote: hrych
                Moreover, Bulgaria is our enemy.


                Quote: hrych
                How did you want? To be in a hostile bloc and get away with it. Not.


                belay
                Quote: hrych
                Thank God that our academicians and the General Staff do not take your opinion into account.

                And yours is taken into account laughing laughing laughing
                Quote: hrych
                They started trying to fly and all the problems are ahead.

                Trouble ahead
      2. pytar
        pytar April 22 2021 14: 42
        -3
        Rogozin, he was late with his new Martian collage! I decided to help him ... yes
        1. hrych
          hrych April 22 2021 14: 55
          -3
          Of course, I understand that you are not a Bulgarian, but a Ukrainian sofa specialist wassat Bad specialist wassat
          1. pytar
            pytar April 22 2021 15: 26
            0
            Of course, I understand that you are not a Bulgarian, but a Ukrainian sofa specialist wassat Bad specialist

            Hrych, you did it in one joke! laughing Everything is almost like this, with the exception:
            1.You are not Bulgarian at all, but Ukrainian - I am Bulgarian, I don’t know a word of Ukrainian. lol
            2.divanny - not a sofa, I sit in an armchair. lol
            3. Poor specialist - not a specialist, but an ordinary amateur. lol
            Hrych, I won't tell you which one, I see you can handle it myself! Neither subtract nor add! laughing
            1. hrych
              hrych April 22 2021 16: 06
              +1
              Quote: pytar
              common amateur

              Lover of what? Funny and stupid pictures about Rogozin? Rogozin curious? wassat
              1. slipped
                slipped April 22 2021 16: 25
                +3
                Quote: hrych
                Quote: pytar
                common amateur

                Lover of what? Funny and stupid pictures about Rogozin? Rogozin curious? wassat


                Don't pay so much attention to these selectively blind Romanians. Look better at today's export and installation of Soyuz-2.1b on Vostochny:



                Launch in three days.
                1. hrych
                  hrych April 22 2021 16: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: slipped
                  Launch in three days.

                  good
                  1. slipped
                    slipped April 22 2021 16: 54
                    +2
                    It is worth paying attention to which domestic high-tech beauties are installed on each satellite:

                    1. hrych
                      hrych April 22 2021 18: 03
                      +3
                      Quote: slipped
                      handsome men are installed on every satellite

                      Plasma motor SPD-50M. laughing
                2. Sarboz
                  Sarboz April 22 2021 20: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: slipped
                  Launch in three days.

                  Super! drinks
                  This is good news. Russia will take its place in this race.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped April 23 2021 13: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Sarboz
                    Quote: slipped
                    Launch in three days.

                    Super! drinks
                    This is good news. Russia will take its place in this race.


                    Rogozin and Musin inside the body of the latest Russian Soyuz-5 rocket laughing



                    This year the rocket is undergoing dynamic strength tests.
              2. pytar
                pytar April 22 2021 19: 00
                -4
                Lover of what? Funny and stupid pictures about Rogozin? Rogozin curious?

                So the original of this stupid picture from Rogozin's own Facebook! laughing I slightly updated it in connection with the appearance of the helicopter. laughing
                1. slipped
                  slipped April 22 2021 20: 20
                  +3
                  Quote: pytar
                  I am her slightly ...


                  Do Romanians burn and break? laughing
              3. atalef
                atalef April 24 2021 14: 19
                0
                Quote: hrych
                Lover of what? Funny and stupid pictures about Rogozin? Rogozin curious?

      3. atalef
        atalef April 24 2021 14: 08
        0
        Quote: hrych
        Bravo then anything? The experiment is not only unnecessary, but ridiculous

        of course, if you did it by Roskosm, you would just obk ... with happiness and saliva. laughing
        And so lead your mother - everything over the hill - everything sucks - Russia is the birthplace of elephants.
  13. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 April 22 2021 13: 41
    0
    Here, without any sarcasm, I am interested, but what is the practical meaning of this flight, what will humanity get? Well, apart from information and ambitions of the championship ???
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 22 2021 13: 51
      +9
      Basic research and concept development. As well as any AMC in space. Even Soviet.

      Expeditions or the development of a topic are preceded by decades of research.

      But, in general, you can answer your question even more simply - what is the practical sense in these expensive expeditions beyond the Hercules' gates? There is nothing there, only the endless sea. What will a Portuguese, French or Castilian king get? And then one day it took off so that the Castilians rode cheese in butter for 200 years.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 22 2021 14: 27
        +2
        Or here's the electricity, the nobles have nothing to do, let's make sparks. It would be better if they took up military affairs or learned how to properly scrape the latest fashion.
    2. pytar
      pytar April 22 2021 14: 02
      +2
      Here, without any sarcasm, I am interested, but what is the practical meaning of this flight, what will humanity get? Well, apart from information and ambitions of the championship ???

      The great Tsiolkovsky gives the following answer to the question:

      Each form of life is limited in time and changes in the environment. If humanity wants to survive, it must expand its habitat, create new centers, and reserve other shelters for itself.
      This happened throughout evolution - the humanoid descended from the tree, began to walk, became a man, man first mastered the land, then the water space. He flies in the atmosphere, swims under water, uses all available resources! Near-Earth space has already been developed, the Moon follows, and then other planets! One day / not soon / and will fly on other stars, settle in other worlds!
      From a purely practical point of view, the assimilation of space gives a huge sense to the development of science and technology! We crawl a lot of this in our everyday life. If earlier ambitions and prestige were decisive, now pragmatism and business come to the fore. Space brings colossal profits, but first you need to invest a lot in the first place! Some will get ahead, while others will lag behind ... competition weeds out the weak. The starting position is very important, and the Americans undoubtedly have it! hi
  14. Igor Odessa
    Igor Odessa April 22 2021 15: 09
    -5
    This lie was paid for by Elon Musk in order to knock out fantastic subsidies for the "Mars program". A helicopter drone also flew in some Hollywood film studio ... And the main thing is that the Russians join this race ... Phantom, dear, and senseless
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 22 2021 17: 31
      +3
      You take St. John's wort with Chamomile broth can calm you down.
  15. moscowp
    moscowp April 22 2021 16: 32
    0
    Well done, what is already there! Not as bright news as it would have been 50-60 years ago. Now the most important news about the release of a new smartphone model ... But still cool!
  16. nod739
    nod739 April 22 2021 17: 57
    0
    5 grams per hour .. Enough for 10 minutes ...
    And the device produces 10 grams per hour ....
    .
    It remains to decide how to hold your breath for 40 minutes. And you can send kalonists)
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 22 2021 21: 02
      0
      Well, technically, it is possible to increase productivity by working out the technology or making the unit larger .. The problem is .. that you cannot breathe pure oxygen, it is life-threatening
  17. Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 22 2021 20: 59
    0
    and where other gases?
  18. garik77
    garik77 April 22 2021 21: 01
    -1
    Quote: Civil
    The Americans deployed ... a helicopter, a tractor ... and now an oxygen plant, it's enviable.

    Everything here comes down to the budget. The NASA budget is 10 (ten!) Times larger than the Roscosmos budget .. Hence the achievements ..
  19. Split
    Split April 22 2021 21: 17
    +1
    It's boring, but when there is alcohol, then you can fly to one end wassat drinks
  20. Nirvanko
    Nirvanko April 23 2021 12: 38
    +1
    Hmm, Russia for 20 years of Putin's rule - 0 scientific missions, despite the fact that the country was flooded with petrodollars. All you need to know about attitude to science you know who. The "energy superpower" does not need science and space. The liberals' dream of turning Russia into a raw material appendage of the West is coming true.
    1. slipped
      slipped April 23 2021 14: 16
      0
      Quote: Nirvanko
      Hmm, Russia in 20 years of Putin's rule - 0 scientific missions


      Apparently andreyko you got here from the village of Chorna dirka lol

      Here is Andreyko's video for you, a bubble for the least outlook, so that such nonsense is not labored here:

      1. Nirvanko
        Nirvanko April 23 2021 15: 54
        +1
        This is a Russian-German mission. Ok, in 20 years Putin's managers have given birth to a joint telescope. Attainment.

        Don't be shy there if you know everything. Tell me how many Russian spacecraft flew away in 20 years to study Mars, Venus, comet nuclei or the same Moon.

        Or tell you about how countries like the EU, the USA, China, Japan and even India and Saudi Arabia did it.
        1. slipped
          slipped April 23 2021 19: 12
          +1
          Quote: Nirvanko
          Ok, in 20 years Putin's managers have given birth to a joint telescope. Attainment.


          Well, you see how stereotypes break. laughing I can broaden your knowledge even more - up to "Spektr-RG", for seven and a half years there was an interferometer with a base of 300 km "Spektr-R", but it seems that the inhabitants of the village of Chorna Dirka, this story bypassed. lol

          Quote: Nirvanko
          This is a Russian-German mission.


          Oh, how did the yermanians infiltrate our apparatus? Probably the same as we did earlier on American Curiosity, American LRO, European Mars Express, Venus Express and Beppi Colombo? laughing No, don't you know?

          Quote: Nirvanko
          Don't be shy there if you know everything. Tell me how many Russian spacecraft flew away in 20 years to study Mars, Venus, comet nuclei or the same Moon.


          Andreiko is a brat. laughing Only the villagers are shy in your hayloft there laughing

          And for four years now, Russia has been flying around Mars under the ExoMars program around Mars, with which we work directly on a daily basis, receiving interesting scientific data to our Centers for Long-Range Space Communication. Many interesting discoveries, including the first in the world. But first, digest about the "Spectra". laughing
          1. Nirvanko
            Nirvanko April 24 2021 00: 02
            -1
            Radiastron, the one that still began under the USSR under Brezhnev? The same Phobos Grunt that was drowned also comes from the USSR. And how much is the science module building? Since 1995? Yes, the intruder, for people like you a couple of devices on the European Mars Express is already an achievement. After the Soviet projects, your Putin managers only tell you how something will fly in 15 years.

            These are not space achievements of the USSR times. To pick the hangar for 20 years, this is what the Zaputins can boast of.
            1. slipped
              slipped April 24 2021 13: 36
              +1
              Quote: Nirvanko
              Radiastron, the one that still began under the USSR under Brezhnev?


              Under Stalin, take it earlier. laughing Koba personally gave an order to Beria, but he didn't get it - he made a bomb.

              How funny you are with your denial. lol

              Quote: Nirvanko
              The same Phobos Grunt that was drowned also comes from the USSR.


              The USSR drowned itself. Better than Phobos Grunt. These are the villagers and drowned. All of them lacked lace panties for their village, all jumped and jumped out.

              Quote: Nirvanko
              And how much is the science module building? Since 1995?


              The Science module has already been built - it flies in mid-July. You can bite your nails. laughing

              Quote: Nirvanko
              Yes, the intruder, for people like you a couple of devices on the European Mars Express is already an achievement.


              You don't even have a ruin. And the scientific data and discoveries we need do not care where to come from. Got it? lol

              Quote: Nirvanko
              After the Soviet projects, your Putin managers only tell you how something will fly in 15 years.


              It's a shame to be so blind and not see what has already flown over the past 15 years. Well, yes, the village, it is such a village.
        2. Split
          Split April 23 2021 21: 09
          +1
          No need to politicize science! Science is a world property and I don't care who exactly does something, the main thing is that someone does it. Our budgets are not like that right now.
          Science is not a war, there are no winners in it. And the fact that there was a race between the USSR and the USA ... has already passed, and thank God. Although the overwhelming majority of discoveries were actually made primarily for military purposes, and only then, as they declassified, they turned into a peaceful channel.
          Quote: Nirvanko
          Venus

          Ummm ... as if we were the first on it and no one could repeat it. And on Mars, if you know astrometrics - it is very difficult to fly to Venus and even more so to land - play at least KSP - everything there completely obeys the real laws of Newton, Kepler and Tsiolokovsky.

          ZY, Personally, I'm waiting for John Webb and I don't care that he's not ours. Astro Department of the Physics Faculty of Moscow State University (GAISH)
          1. Nirvanko
            Nirvanko April 24 2021 00: 20
            +1
            Quote: Split
            Ummm ... as if we were the first on it and no one could repeat it. And on Mars, if you know astrometrics - it is very difficult to fly to Venus and even more so to land - play at least KSP - everything there completely obeys the real laws of Newton, Kepler and Tsiolokovsky.

            Yeah, now you can sit on the fifth point exactly and talk about past merits.

            Science is just the same war, because the fate of the state depends on scientific achievements. Be it scientific achievements in the military or civilian. Everything affects the complex.

            But science under Putin is 1% of GDP, that says it all. Despite the fact that the country is flooded with petrodollars.
            1. Split
              Split April 25 2021 18: 16
              0
              Even I do not see that they are pouring petrodollars on me ... in dollars I received a current salary in 2007.
              As for science, I wrote why something was originally invented. For military purposes ... through what you are writing now - there was a military development
              Quote: Nirvanko
              Yeah, now you can sit on the fifth point exactly and talk about past merits

              Yes, you can ... the Americans tried it, it didn’t work out and gave up
              Everything is impossible until someone does (c) Nelson Mandela
  21. Alexander X
    Alexander X April 23 2021 12: 56
    +2
    Of course, fantastic! Photos from Mars! I saw what the Martian plain looks like. Childhood dreams have come true. Well done, there is nothing bad to say except good about this.
    1. hosekonceko
      hosekonceko April 23 2021 20: 34
      +1
      A trampoline on Mars is more effective than a helicopter ROGOZIN looks at the root
    2. Split
      Split April 23 2021 21: 31
      +1
      I'm 40 and I saw them as a child ... lagging behind life laughing
  22. Nirvanko
    Nirvanko April 24 2021 19: 23
    -1
    Quote: slipped
    Under Stalin, take it earlier. Koba personally gave an order to Beria, but he didn't get it - he made a bomb.

    How funny you are with your denial.

    All you need to know about your "knowledge":

    The project was launched in 1979-1980, with the approval of Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, it went through a period of stagnation and economic recession in the 1990s. In the second half of the 2000s, the project was significantly redesigned over about 5 years.