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US media: Russia should thank China for the appearance of the Su-37 fighter

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For the appearance of the Su-37 fighter, Russia should thank China. Indeed, in the 90s, when it was created, the state did not have the funds to develop the military-industrial complex, so the money received from the export of the Su-27 to the PRC went to the development of this new combat aircraft.


About this writes the American magazine Military Watch.

The first flight of the Su-37 fighter took place 25 years ago, on April 2, 1996. It was developed as part of the Su-27 modernization program. Its appearance indicates that after the collapse of the USSR, the Russian defense industry, through incredible efforts and despite serious financial problems, continued to work, although not at full strength.

The predecessor of the Su-37 was the Soviet Su-27 fighter, which entered service in 1985. The Su-37 was created to test new technologies, which were then planned to be introduced for the modernization and further development of the Su-27. The 37th was never mass-produced, but this in no way diminishes its importance for the development of the Russian aviation... After all, on its basis, an improved Su-27M was created, which entered the troops in 2014 under the name Su-35.

The Su-37 is a heavy fighter whose primary mission is to gain air supremacy. The aircraft was equipped with engines with three-dimensional thrust vectoring, which significantly increased its mobility in comparison with the Su-27. The Su-37 project itself is closed, so what kind of gratitude and for what they write in the US media remains a big question.
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  1. Threaded screw
    Threaded screw April 22 2021 11: 02
    +25
    Well then, who should the United States thank for f 35? The program was co-financed by the United States and the United Kingdom ($ 2,5 billion), Italy ($ 1,0 billion), the Netherlands ($ 800 million), Canada ($ 440 million), Turkey ($ 175 million), Australia ($ 144 million) , Norway ($ 122 million) and Denmark ($ 110 million).
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire April 22 2021 11: 13
      +35
      We do not have to thank anyone, except for designers and engineers, technicians and flyers.
      And the article is full of water and does not report anything fundamentally new, it just goes over long-known facts.
      1. For example
        For example April 22 2021 12: 01
        +26
        ... the money received from the export of the Su-27 to the PRC went to the development of this new combat aircraft.


        In this case, the United States should thank Hitler. After all, it was the war in Europe, and as a result, the arms trade that allowed the United States to get money to develop new weapons.
        The removal of Hitler's military and scientists allowed the United States to create a lot in rocketry.

        The language for many in the United States lives separately from the brain.
        1. hirurg
          hirurg April 22 2021 20: 37
          +1
          The United States, for its independence, should thank Russia.))))
          Paradox..
          Well, we'll fix that.)
      2. XXXIII
        XXXIII April 22 2021 18: 37
        +4
        Quote: Cheshire
        We do not have to thank anyone, except for designers and engineers, technicians and flyers.
        And the article is full of water and does not report anything fundamentally new, it just goes over long-known facts.

        That's right, the article can be divided in half, the Su-37 is not thanks to China, it was already and flew as an experimental prototype. The machine is a beast, the Russians made it! Even on the simulator I played on performance characteristics, just a bird in the sky! China poured 2.4 billion dollars (it was like that then covered) money into this concept and received its dividends, the Su-35! drinks
        This is not a "motor sich Zelensky" that threw China $ 3.6 billion. China has filed a claim for this amount. hi
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 April 22 2021 11: 29
      +15
      And the design documentation, carefully studied by American specialists before the start of the creation of the F-35, was generally stolen from the Yakovlev Design Bureau. I do not want to say that "Penguin" is a plagiarism, but the merit of the USSR designers in its creation is also indirectly.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS April 22 2021 11: 38
      +7
      Quote: Threaded screw
      Well then, who should the United States thank for f 35?

      Interestingly, and who would they have to thank?
      when creating the American fighter, the test data of the Yak-141 were used, provided by the Yakovlev Experimental Design Bureau in agreement with the Lockheed Martin Corporation, the American edition of Task and Purpose reported.
      https://taskandpurpose.com/military-tech/f-35-yak-141-freestyle-vtol-jet/
    4. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik April 22 2021 12: 02
      +3
      The program was funded by ...

      Add to this the scientific and technical groundwork received from the Yakovlevites.
    5. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 22 2021 12: 34
      +2
      And first of all, the striped ones owe us, because when building the f-35 they used the documentation for the Yak-141, and the money is secondary, there is no idea what to do with the money. So let them keep quiet, they can pass for the smart ones, although ........
    6. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor April 22 2021 13: 44
      +1
      For fu, we should thank those corrupt skins who once sold them the documentation from the yak.
    7. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by April 22 2021 14: 19
      0
      Quote: Threaded Screw
      Well then, who should the United States thank for f 35? The program was co-financed by the United States and the United Kingdom ($ 2,5 billion), Italy ($ 1,0 billion), the Netherlands ($ 800 million), Canada ($ 440 million), Turkey ($ 175 million), Australia ($ 144 million) , Norway ($ 122 million) and Denmark ($ 110 million).


      You have forgotten the "intelligence" on the Yak that was at its core. Only now the "file" was not taken into account, and therefore they are still suffering. Yes, apparently, they will not bring the penguin to mind.
    8. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin April 24 2021 11: 06
      0
      And for the scheme of the VTOL aircraft version at the Yakovlev design bureau, they should pray.
  2. NIKN
    NIKN April 22 2021 11: 03
    +11
    First of all, thanks to the United States, there would be no America, no reason to arm.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 22 2021 11: 17
      +6
      Kolya hi XNUMXD vectorization raises questions .... right to left and top to bottom is still clear ... where is the third vector?
      1. NIKN
        NIKN April 22 2021 11: 19
        +10
        Quote: novel xnumx
        . third vector where?

        Back and forth. 3rd vector. :)) hi
        1. novel66
          novel66 April 22 2021 11: 21
          +4
          well, is it for every engine? except for powder accelerators lol
          1. NIKN
            NIKN April 22 2021 11: 23
            +9
            There is also a vector of time, but here it is still difficult, so far only manually on the clock can be controlled by moving the arrows. :)) Although the Americans over there are trying to translate the same arrows at all :)))
            1. novel66
              novel66 April 22 2021 11: 25
              +3
              while they get it ... the dollar as a means of influencing the time ... it is necessary to consider
              1. For example
                For example April 22 2021 12: 10
                0
                Quote: novel xnumx
                XNUMXD vectorization raises questions .... right to left and top to bottom is still clear ... where is the third vector?

                The vectors are not right to left and top to bottom.

                The vector is one at a time for each engine.
                From the combustion point in the desired direction.
                This "direction" point is in a three-dimensional coordinate system (XYZ. Geometry lessons at school, where the zero point of coordinates is a combustion chamber)
                The fourth dimension is also present - at each moment of time the vector changes direction in the same three-dimensional coordinate system.

                Quote: novel xnumx
                well, is it for every engine? except for powder accelerators


                The thrust vector is always there. Either it is fixed relative to the aircraft, or it can change.
                But it is ALWAYS in a three-dimensional dimension (even at the plane of the Wright brothers) because the plane itself moves in three-dimensional space.
        2. Ka-52
          Ka-52 April 22 2021 12: 05
          +4
          Back and forth. 3rd vector. :)) hi

          there are two assumptions.
          1. this deviation along the line axis (angles of rotation) - yaw, pitch, roll.
          2.Deviation of the nozzle from the line axis: top, bottom and converging-diverging nozzle
          but we have never met such a definition)
          1. NIKN
            NIKN April 22 2021 12: 26
            +1
            Forward - backward, this is more thrust, less thrust. :)) hi On some aircraft, reverse.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 April 22 2021 12: 31
              +1
              back and forth is the direction of flight) and the thrust vector is determined by the direction of the gas flow of the aircraft engine. Therefore, by changing (deflecting) the nozzle, we change the thrust vector. The characteristic is valid only for a nozzle with UHT
              with respect,
        3. Rokot
          Rokot April 22 2021 22: 20
          +1
          All-view thrust vector
      2. Maxim Shalak
        Maxim Shalak April 22 2021 11: 26
        0
        Vectors are unidirectional. Always. Here and there, these are already two vectors.
        1. novel66
          novel66 April 22 2021 11: 27
          +3
          mathematical but not physical ..
          1. Maxim Shalak
            Maxim Shalak April 22 2021 11: 59
            +2
            Physics is considered according to mathematical laws. Draws too.
            1. novel66
              novel66 April 22 2021 12: 00
              0
              naive ... somewhat ...
      3. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik April 22 2021 12: 04
        0
        where is the third vector?

        It is also driven by thrust laughing
  3. iouris
    iouris April 22 2021 11: 04
    -2
    Three times kyu.
  4. Sibguest
    Sibguest April 22 2021 11: 06
    +7
    For the appearance of the Su-37, Russia should thank its compatriots - the Sukhoi Design Bureau.
    And China should thank Russia for the opportunity to buy modern combat aircraft, when in the late 90s the PRC did not even dream of their own "developments".
    Yankees in their own style - everything is turned upside down.
  5. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 22 2021 11: 07
    0
    Well ..? Americans, thank China for not running bare-assed yet.
  6. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 22 2021 11: 12
    +2
    laughing For the appearance of the Su-37, Russia should thank China, Agreed. In this case, for the appearance of "trident", "Saturn", etc. mattresses should thank Germany, for the appearance of "Abrams" - England and Germany, For the appearance of helicopters and heavy bombers - Russia. etc
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 22 2021 11: 14
    +1
    Military Watch has strange logic. We sold the aircraft to China, which he acquired at his own request, and for this we must thank him? The American media are specialists in a peculiar interpretation of what is happening in Russia and always with an injection, conspiracy theories.
    1. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik April 22 2021 12: 08
      +1
      We sold the aircraft to China, which he acquired at his own request, and for this we must thank him?

      Normal logic. Pendo ... the US imposes its weapons on its allies under the threat of sanctions, makes them pay for US military bases on the territory of the allies as protection from Russia. What other logic could they have?
  8. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 22 2021 11: 19
    +3
    Trade even in weapons is a mutually beneficial business. The PRC received weapons, we have resources for further development.
  9. newcomer
    newcomer April 22 2021 11: 42
    +2
    Wherever you spit, we "must" everywhere and everywhere. And boring and sickening. fool
  10. yehat2
    yehat2 April 22 2021 11: 43
    +3
    equipped with engines with three-dimensional thrust vectoring

    What is it like???
    did they mean that in addition to the cruciform movement, any 360-degree movement is available?
    Well, this is the same two-vector, only with the maximum degree of freedom.
    Or did they mean that gas manipulation is the third vector?
  11. Bad_gr
    Bad_gr April 22 2021 11: 55
    +3
    The 37th was never mass-produced, but this in no way diminishes its importance for the development of Russian aviation. After all, on its basis, an improved Su-27M was created, which entered the troops in 2014 under the name Su-35.
    The information is not true.
    The Su-27M is a development of the Su-27, which was equipped with a PGO, a more powerful radar, and so on. ... And when engines with controlled thrust vector (UHT) were installed on this aircraft, the aircraft began to be called the Su-37. When creating the Su-27M and Su-37, new aluminum-lithium alloys were used, the use of composite materials has been significantly expanded compared to the Su-27. A new wing with an increased relative thickness has been developed for the aircraft, allowing it to accommodate a larger volume of fuel.
    The Su-35S is a further development of this aircraft.
  12. jaroff
    jaroff April 22 2021 12: 49
    0
    Piled everything in an ode heap. All wrong
  13. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose April 22 2021 12: 51
    +1
    Russia should thank China for the appearance of the Su-37 fighter

    Yeah. Thank you Comrade Mao for our happy aircraft construction!
  14. ficus2003
    ficus2003 April 22 2021 14: 13
    0
    Then the United States needs to thank slavery and Hitler for their status as the world hegemon.
  15. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock April 22 2021 14: 38
    0
    what kind of gratitude and what they write in the US media remains a big question.

    Funny.
    We must thank, and as much as we should.
    Both Chinese and Indians.
    And for the preservation of our aviation industry, both tank and shipbuilding ...
    Our Ministry of Defense then ordered almost nothing, only on Chinese and Indian orders, our defense industry survived. Well, a little more Arab, but that's it, crumbs.
    I remember well those years, in our research institute the salary was paid 2 times a year. In December, the May one was given away. With an inflation rate of 1000%, it was almost possible not to take it. The specialists who had made the C300 before, and the Iskander after that, then left some to lay tiles, some to paint fences. Well at least some have returned, but not all.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      April 22 2021 17: 15
      +1
      Probably, it is not so much to thank the Chinese and Indians as the leaders from the defense industry, who did not fold their hands in difficult times, but found orders abroad and did not allow the closure of factories and cutting equipment for scrap metal. And the Chinese and Indians received quality products at a normal price.
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 23 2021 07: 07
    0
    China and India ...... otherwise, Sukhoi KBB would not have survived to this day.
  17. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin April 24 2021 11: 05
    0
    The Su-37 should be grateful for the export of the Su-27, not the PRC, if impartial. Those. As usual, the engaged US media are changing causes, effects and details, trying to create a derogatory impression with pathetic tricks.