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The Polish Navy was unable to restore the combat capability of the only submarine "Orzel"

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The only Polish submarine Orzeł (Oryol), project 877E, which remained in the country's navy, was completely incapacitated. According to the Polish media, the torpedo tubes are malfunctioning on the submarine.


The command of the Polish Navy was never able to restore the combat capability of the only Polish submarine still of Soviet construction. As it turned out, the submarine's torpedo tubes fell into disrepair due to prolonged disuse, the bulging of the guide shoes and O-rings that appeared did not allow torpedo loading. In addition, the torpedo firing control system unit malfunctioned.

Of course, a decision was made to carry out repairs and a tender was announced to restore the combat capability of the torpedo tubes. But no one expressed a desire to take on this work, although they offered 428 thousand euros for it. The application was withdrawn, but two days later it was put up again, and now they are waiting for someone to respond. At the same time, the Polish media have doubts that the repair will be able to be carried out.

The thing is that the entire submarine needs repair, it is necessary to overhaul the entire submarine or completely write it off. The submarine has been in service with the Polish Navy since 1986, and was last repaired in 2014. In 2018, the Navy announced the completion of the repair, while the periscopes, electrical equipment, and the hydroacoustic complex were repaired only according to documents.

According to the plans of the military, this submarine will be decommissioned in 2023-2024, before it was impossible, since it is the only one. Five Kobben-class diesel-electric submarines (German project 2002), acquired in 207 from the presence of the Norwegian Navy, have already been withdrawn from the Polish fleet.
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  1. Nadrub
    Nadrub April 21 2021 15: 44
    +35
    I know one garage .... Ashot works there!
    Will do everything super! Will be like new, yeah
    Interested Poles write to VO
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein April 21 2021 15: 55
      +16
      Reminds the Ukrainian boat "Zaporozhye". First, the silver-zinc batteries "went out of order. Where did they go, the second question." A couple of years later, they brought it, but it turned out that they did not fit. Then they disappeared too. Then the crew gradually began to melt. And together with the crew, the "ballast" instruments began to melt. In general, there is now an orphan, chained to the pier so that she does not plunge herself for the last time.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 21 2021 16: 07
        -1
        Quote: Boris Epstein
        It resembles the Ukrainian boat "Zaporozhye". First, the silver-zinc batteries "went out of order".

        Well, you are not directly "Zaporozhye" (U01) diesel-electric submarines of 641 projects, NATO classification - Foxtrot describe, but "Goldfish"

        The sense of bewilderment is - when is it on "diesels" instead of lead-acid batteries used silver-zinc cells ??? Moreover, such ancient mossy ones?

        1. The black
          The black April 21 2021 16: 20
          +11
          I know one garage .... Ashot works there!
          Will do everything super! Will be like new, yeah
          Interested Poles write to VO

          Why, Ashot, I can paint too ... with a brush laughing all ... laughing ... but money ahead ... by 2025 I can finish what 428 thousand euros. I ask you to give it in cash, in small bills of 20-50 euros.
          I can watercolors, I can gouache, I can oil, wassat shorter everything is at the request of customers. I work from home, so bring me a boat (at your expense, gentlemen, Poles) hi
          1. Dmitry Donskoy
            Dmitry Donskoy April 21 2021 16: 22
            +4
            Yes, let the Poles torpedo by the boat itself. hi
            1. The black
              The black April 21 2021 16: 26
              +9
              No really No. ... first for me to paint smile
        2. gurzuf
          gurzuf April 21 2021 16: 57
          0
          And about - chains, everything is correctly written by Boris Epstein?
          1. boris epstein
            boris epstein April 21 2021 17: 23
            -2
            Was also on chains. Isn't it a shame to be in a pack of jackals? Or does not shame eat your eyes?
        3. Yuri Gulov
          Yuri Gulov April 26 2021 07: 27
          0
          There are or were silver-zinc. Personally, I pulled out several boxes with decommissioned ones. Eh ... I didn't know how to communicate. Nobody would have noticed anyway. For what they were used, I do not know. Definitely not to power the motors. Something small, auxiliary.
      2. Avior
        Avior April 21 2021 16: 23
        0
        ... First, the silver-zinc batteries "failed".

        Why not gold-platinum?
        1. boris epstein
          boris epstein April 21 2021 16: 35
          +4
          Why so modest-lithium-ion. But in general, can you raise the chronicle of that time? I can, I have. But there is such an unwritten law - the main thing is to smear the opponent, and then let him be laundered. He will prove in the end that he is right, but the sediment will remain. Before you object, it doesn't hurt to check. Although this is not the first time I argue with you and have never lost an argument. But all sorts of dirty tricks from you at the same time with yours with the clone-Eye of the blatant-have heard enough. And minus all objectionable (and it does not matter if you are right or not), you do it dashingly. I check who is minus, I can do it.
          1. boris epstein
            boris epstein April 21 2021 16: 56
            +3
            Answer to all objectors. From my archives from 2010-2012.
            "Something about the submarine" Zaporozhye
            During repairs on February 22, 2003, the submarine batteries were replaced. The new silver-zinc batteries were purchased from the Greek company Germanos SA. The amount of the transaction was about $ 3,5 million (18 million hryvnia), according to some reports, Russia offered AB at half the price, but they refused to buy from it.
            By the way, about AB, since pride did not allow the "samostiiniks" to buy them from Russia, it was decided to buy batteries in Greece for foreign currency. We bought them, but they could not be put on the boat - the terminals did not fit in size. And no wonder, because in Greece, weapons and components for them are produced according to NATO standards. And the "Six hundred and forty first" submarines were built in the Soviet Union (in the USSR they did not spare money for military equipment, my note). So the Ukrainian submarine Zaporozhye was left without batteries, the Ukrainian Navy - without a submarine, and the budget - without money. "
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 21 2021 17: 17
              0
              Quote: Boris Epstein
              The new silver-zinc batteries were purchased from the Greek company Germanos SA. The transaction amount was about $ 3,5 million (UAH 18 million)

              Well, there was such a contract with the Greeks. But who told you, why did you decide that the batteries were silver-zinc?
              Indeed, even in 2003 (the time of the described history) it was already believed that the morally and technically outdated diesel-electric submarine could not enter the World Ocean and could only be used for training diving of personnel to a depth of 80 meters.
              1. boris epstein
                boris epstein April 21 2021 17: 43
                +1
                Not a serious answer. And I respected you as a serious person. I didn’t come up with the text.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent April 21 2021 18: 25
                  -2
                  Quote: Boris Epstein
                  Not a serious answer. And I respected you as a serious person. I didn’t come up with the text.

                  It doesn't matter who you were holding me for. I also did not "suck the information out of my finger", but based what was written on the experience of service and some knowledge + data on the outskirts of contracts.
          2. Avior
            Avior April 21 2021 17: 15
            -1
            Uh-huh. What is on the photo?
            1. boris epstein
              boris epstein April 21 2021 17: 17
              -2
              This is already spam. The dispute about the batteries is lost by you. And do not minus, so it will not be Avior. Playful hands itch. I will not answer any more.
              1. Avior
                Avior April 21 2021 17: 32
                -2
                I asked, what's in the photo? And you rushed to merge and minus. This is your answer. Clear.
            2. notingem
              notingem April 21 2021 17: 45
              -1
              Foxtrot type boat. Sorry type Zaporozhye
              1. Avior
                Avior April 21 2021 17: 52
                -2
                Sorry, I asked a question to a specific person. I know what is in the photo, but whether he knows is a big question ...
                1. Avior
                  Avior April 22 2021 09: 53
                  -1
                  However, judging by the hysteria that he threw here, it had already dawned on him what nonsense he had written.
            3. boris epstein
              boris epstein April 22 2021 08: 44
              +2
              Well, an eagle with raven feathers. On the sly I went to other branches, nominus without commenting and is satisfied. And here some people think, who is secretly minus? Gathered a gang, you confuse others, and they, not understanding, go on about.
              Yes, I don't care about the pros and cons for a long time. Everything that is due to me in this life, I have already received.
              And I hate the great-breeds.
      3. Korolev Alexander
        Korolev Alexander April 21 2021 16: 34
        +6
        Not, not in chains. It is welded tightly to the pressure of the 13th repair plant. Port dogs come there to shit.
    2. skif8013
      skif8013 April 21 2021 16: 26
      +3
      Quote: Truth
      I know one garage .... Ashot works there!
      Will do everything super! Will be like new, yeah
      Interested Poles write to VO

      Rzhu,)))))))
    3. knn54
      knn54 April 21 2021 16: 27
      0
      They sailed, however.
    4. halpat
      halpat April 21 2021 17: 26
      -1
      It is necessary to give ukram this chavn. They will take him to the pier and will be proud.
    5. 210ox
      210ox April 21 2021 17: 39
      0
      And I know. Mishiko ruled there at one time. Let them drive to a free port. There, this Eagle is stretched over the feathers.
    6. Russobel
      Russobel April 23 2021 06: 57
      0
      I know one garage .... Ashot works there!

      Eh ... Listen, why Ashot ?!
      It is better to let the Ukrainians do it and throw the boat away for money ... from the Navy forever.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat April 23 2021 08: 52
        +2
        Less than half a lemon of Eureka for repairing the TA and the firing system is very little. And even the replacement of the TA and the firing system is not the most important thing here. There, the main analog calculating device is integrated with the analogue CIUS on the old Soviet elementary base, which, in principle, cannot be solved without completely replacing the CIUS and all the old "electronics", that is, a complete modernization of all control systems of the submarine is needed, and this is millions of euros. ...
  2. EXPrompt
    EXPrompt April 21 2021 15: 47
    +10
    Well, the Poles, as usual ...
    And what about the kuvalada in the navy?
    Torpedoes do not climb into the apparatus with a sledgehammer; it is easy to send)))

    This is Soviet technology, where either a scrap or a sledgehammer solves all problems.
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    2. Jager
      Jager April 21 2021 17: 06
      +6
      So, the unique repair technologies with a totalitarian Soviet sledgehammer with the help of a bottle of vodka and the mother of a zampotekh were lost along with the collapse of the USSR. soldier
  3. Popandos
    Popandos April 21 2021 15: 49
    +6
    And before the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, and the accession of Poland to the European Union, it was one of the centers of shipbuilding and shipbuilding.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 April 21 2021 16: 37
      +3
      Everyone has already forgotten about it.
      And the Poles - first of all.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 21 2021 17: 20
        -1
        The Polish Navy was unable to restore the combat capability of the only submarine "Orzel"

        Was it so hard to insert "Aboutinabilityrzel "...
        lol
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 21 2021 17: 51
          0
          The Solidarity trade union, by the way, was created at the shipyards.
          And time put everything in its place: neither the trade union, nor the shipyards.
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 21 2021 15: 51
    +1
    Well, at least they did not drown! The Indonesians today have a problem with a German-built submarine in 81, the Poles, at least they were smart enough not to go out to sea on Orel, in short, the king of berths.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira April 21 2021 15: 53
      +1
      What do they have there? Drowned?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 21 2021 15: 54
        0
        While looking, and in response to silence !!!
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 April 21 2021 16: 15
        +2
        We turned to Australia and Singapore for help in the search officially.

        The boat conducted a normal communication session before entering the torpedo firing area. And I didn't get in touch anymore.
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 21 2021 15: 52
    +3
    Well, right, God does not give horns to a thirsty cow.
  6. fuffi
    fuffi April 21 2021 15: 54
    +5
    "The five Kobben-class diesel-electric submarines (German project 2002), acquired in 207 from the presence of the Norwegian Navy, have already been withdrawn from the Polish fleet." laughing In order not to be disgraced as a neighboring country with a single rusty submarine, we bought another 5 pieces of used meal. Moreover, in Norway itself they were scrapped for another year 2, and one in the same year was made a museum. And the non-brothers will do it all, it's bubble-guuuum laughing
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 21 2021 16: 09
      +1
      Quote: fuffi
      it's bubble-guuuum

      Used "slightly", but that too, nothing ...
  7. credo
    credo April 21 2021 15: 59
    +2
    The command of the Polish Navy was never able to restore the combat capability of the only Polish submarine still of Soviet construction.

    Well, not a sea power Poland, not a sea power.
    Are they still unable to step over their arrogance in order to understand that the maintenance of a serious navy requires substantial funds, and not only?
    Why are they as stubborn as Ukraine?
    Everyone is raving about unrealizable dreams, having lost the shipbuilding industry like Ukraine.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 21 2021 16: 31
      +2
      Quote: credo
      Surely they still cannot step over their arrogance

      "They carry their pride like a cake on a platter" (vole) They wanted to surpass ukrov and failed!
    2. Basarev
      Basarev April 21 2021 18: 15
      0
      This is true for us as well. We also call ourselves a maritime power - and we ourselves can only serially build RTOs of 900 tons, and even those with Chinese diesels. So there is no point in laughing at Poland. They themselves are not better.
      1. Ovsigovets
        Ovsigovets April 21 2021 20: 43
        +4
        you are right and wrong ... they themselves are much better ... in terms of PL, much better
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 April 21 2021 16: 03
    +1
    So it will go on pins and needles ... not long to wait.
    1. cniza
      cniza April 21 2021 16: 22
      +3
      Like the Polish naval power, they hid behind a big striped uncle and threaten with a fist ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 21 2021 17: 18
        +3
        So it is not the first time for them to be under someone, even in a figurative and literal sense, the same.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 21 2021 17: 41
          +2
          And since the times of the Commonwealth, they have always been under someone ...
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 21 2021 22: 12
            -1
            Let's just say, after the times of the First Commonwealth. During its existence, except for the last few decades of decline, they were not under anyone.
  9. wow
    wow April 21 2021 16: 03
    +1
    What a problem, give 428 thousand euros to the Ukrainians, they will "repair" everything very quickly!
  10. Well done
    Well done April 21 2021 16: 09
    +1
    Bullshit. Petrov and Co nagged. Putin has reached even there. laughing
  11. Freedim
    Freedim April 21 2021 16: 18
    -1
    (c) What do you call the boat ...
    If an eagle is dipped in water for a long time, it will never learn to swim.

    shl. Polish AreolBy the way, it was not the first ... The first was the Russian sailing ship of the Western European type, the frigate "Eagle", which was captured by the rebels of Stepan Razin ... After which the ship was not used for its intended purpose and, having stood for many years in the Kutum channel, fell into disrepair ...
    1. Avior
      Avior April 21 2021 18: 08
      +2
      (c) What do you call the boat ...
      If an eagle is dipped in water for a long time, it will never learn to swim.


      It's like ...

      As if the Eagle too. K-266.
      repeat
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 21 2021 20: 45
        0
        So this boat is in honor of the city of Oryol, and the Poles in honor of the bird.
        1. Avior
          Avior April 21 2021 21: 04
          +2
          and Polish not in honor of a bird, but in honor of another Polish submarine from the Second World War.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan April 21 2021 22: 32
            0
            And what about the first WWII submarine?
            1. Avior
              Avior April 21 2021 23: 05
              -2
              And the city of Oryol in honor of what?
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan April 22 2021 09: 00
                0
                According to one version, the city is in honor of the bird, and according to the other, in honor of the tributary of the Oka.

                And our submarine waters are in honor of the city, we have a series of such nuclear submarines and they are all named after cities.
                1. Avior
                  Avior April 22 2021 09: 18
                  0
                  and on the other in honor of the tributary of the Oka.

                  and the tributary of the Ob in honor of the bird.
                  submarine in honor of the city

                  and they have it in honor of another submarine, and not in honor of the bird, I already wrote to you about this, you forgot the beginning of the discussion.
                  and Polish not in honor of a bird, but in honor of another Polish submarine from the Second World War.

                  hi
                  1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                    Ratmir_Ryazan April 22 2021 10: 05
                    0
                    So the first Polish submarine in honor of what?

                    The fact that they have a tradition of naming boats after birds is their peculiarity.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior April 22 2021 10: 11
                      0
                      This particular one is not in honor of the bird
                      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Orze%C5%82_(1938)

                      PS I will not bother you to read the discussion in a circle, my participation is not required for this.
                      hi
  12. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 21 2021 16: 18
    +3
    Submarine "Eagle". winked
  13. cniza
    cniza April 21 2021 16: 20
    +2
    The command of the Polish Navy was never able to restore the combat capability of the only Polish submarine still of Soviet construction.


    Well, they also dream from sea to sea ..., hope for the owner, but in vain ...
  14. faterdom
    faterdom April 21 2021 16: 30
    +3
    Well, 50% will work - it can go under the water.
    It remains only 50% to complete and - voila, the Polish submarine forces will threaten the coast of Belarus.
  15. xorek
    xorek April 21 2021 16: 31
    +2
    And you have to be arrogant about how many Poles have, straight Russia is threatened with all sorts of punishment ..))))
    I wouldn't be surprised if they sell Svidomo ... wassat
    1. Jager
      Jager April 21 2021 17: 10
      -1
      Svidomo have their own, somewhere in the endless steppes. laughing
  16. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 21 2021 17: 06
    0
    Yes, no one will undertake repairs. Skakuas have never had such submarines, we are not talking about Belarusians either, but why does Russia have a well-known root to get involved with the repair of submarines of the hyena of Europe?
  17. Torins
    Torins April 21 2021 17: 26
    0
    at the same time, periscopes, electrical equipment, and a hydroacoustic complex were repaired only according to documents.
    Something familiar.. what
  18. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 21 2021 17: 34
    -1
    for this work offered 428 thousand euros.


    For that kind of money, 1,5 new Varshavyanka can be bought from Russia))
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 22 2021 01: 12
      -1

      Ratmir_Ryazan
      Yesterday, 17: 34
      NEW
      0
      for this work offered 428 thousand euros.


      For that kind of money, 1,5 new Varshavyanka can be bought from Russia))
      And who will sell THEM? Look, let "Zaporizhia" buy from Ukronatsik - cheap and cheerful.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 22 2021 09: 34
        0
        I was mistaken, I confused thousands with millions))

        Our Varshavyanka costs about 300 million dollars apiece.

        It's not a cheap pleasure to have submarines, even diesel ones.
  19. vvp2412
    vvp2412 April 21 2021 19: 35
    0
    Let them turn to the descendants of the "ancient Sumerians"! They know what to do! :)
    They dug the Black Sea! To fix the trough for them is a piece of cake! :)
  20. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 21 2021 21: 07
    0
    It's probably easier to buy a new one. And cheaper.
    Than trying to make a new one from an old one.
  21. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 22 2021 01: 11
    -1
    The only Polish submarine Orzeł (Oryol), project 877E, which remained in the country's navy, turned out to be completely incapacitated.
    Let the ukronatsik consultations, they certainly know where to hand over the metal. laughing
  22. Gardener91
    Gardener91 April 22 2021 19: 25
    0
    Not everything is an eagle, sho flies.
  23. val43
    val43 April 23 2021 10: 25
    0
    Quote: Boris Epstein
    And I hate the great-breeds.

    Here is the answer. In your Ukrainophobia, you are ready to believe in any nonsense and bring it here, if only the spit in the direction of Ukraine is smarter. Mr. Connoisseur, have you even seen the submarine alive? And a few more simple questions. Dig through your "archives" and try to answer:
    1) How many submarines and what projects were there at the Black Sea Fleet at the time of Ukraine's independence?
    2) How much is left at the time of the division of the fleet?
    3) Where did the rest go?
    4) What other options did Russia offer?
    5) What was the condition of the boat at the time of the transfer?
    6) How are things with the Russian B-380 project 641B, repaired since 1991?