In Chinese Sina: "Russia is fixated on its old MiG-31 interceptor"

The Chinese press paid attention to the Russian MiG-31 interceptor fighter. The main topic for discussion was the issue of the relevance of its use 40 years after the start of operation in the USSR Air Force.

An article appeared in a major Chinese publication Sina Military, the author of which states that "Russia is fixated on its old MiG-31 interceptor." At the same time, the Chinese author is trying to explain the reasons for the "fixation" of the Russian Aerospace Forces on this plane.

From the article:

Earlier in Russia, information appeared that work was underway to create the MiG-41 - a promising long-range fighter-interceptor with stealth technology. However, for many military experts, the very term "interceptor" has become synonymous with "antiques from the Cold War." So why are Russians investing in PAK DP in the XNUMXst century?

The Chinese Sina notes that Russia is taking this step in connection with the advancement of NATO infrastructure to its borders, as well as in connection with the transformation of the Arctic into an arena of potential military confrontation.

From the article:

From the point of view of the economic and geographical situation in Russia, it is practically impossible to use ground-based air defense and anti-missile defense systems to completely cover the coast of the Arctic Ocean. This length is over 5000 kilometers. Therefore, the Russians can only hope that the fighters of the Aerospace Army will cope with this task.

On the pages of Sina, they write that today the Arctic direction is covered, among other things, by MiG-31 interceptor fighters, which are capable of "stopping American strategic bombers until they launch a missile strike on Russian territory."

The Chinese author writes that the interception of American strategic bombers in the Arctic by other Russian fighters is "difficult" - "including because of the remoteness of the airfields and the speed characteristics of the fighters themselves." That is why, according to the Chinese publication, Russia does not write off the MiG-31 and is working on the creation of the PAK DP - MiG-41.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

At the same time, the Chinese author is trying to explain the reasons for the "fixation" of the Russian Aerospace Forces on this plane.

I thought he would scold, but here, on the contrary, he deliberately analyzes. Well, even when the MiG-31 was created, it could work as an automated control aircraft, and now it is being promoted as an advanced solution.

[Roman070280]

I thought I would scold

This is called bias ..))
Now, if only an American source had analyzed and wrote it, he would have gotten it from the "patriots" ..))

[Incvizitor]

No, if fshatsky means loot begging for "defense"

[NIKN]

Arctic direction. Basically for this it was created, well, and I would not rush to say that the interceptors are "rarity" either. It is not known how the conflict will develop. Losses of air defense (and they will be the first to break through) will inevitably lead to holes (or according to engineering in the "holes" ) in the coverage of zones, here is the operational coverage of important areas from the breakthrough of carriers with serious strike weapons, and equipment sharpened for such a task will come in handy.

[akropin]

It is not known how the conflict will develop.

Wanguyu ... First, there will be air defense, those that will survive a significant role will not be able to play, then within a day or three strategic systems from stationary silos to airfields and ports. Everything possible will be fired from that side, and apparently at once (ICBMs, short and medium-range missiles, operational-tactical, cruise missiles), in order to destroy everything that can fly and swim in our country. From our side, everything that can take off will also fly away. In less than a week, as a result of intercontinental mixing, nothing will work for anyone and no one will be able to cover any zones. Everything will be decided by the infantry on the ground, in those forests that will be least covered with radioactive ash.

[evgen1221]

You also forget about the driving of the majority of the country's population into the compact, few cities of the crematorium of a million type. One two warheads and goodbye to the mob potential of the country by 70%.

[akropin]

Hence the conclusion: the creation of large urban agglomerations is a decrease in the level of the country's combat capability. It is more profitable to have a large number of settlements on a large territory with autonomous power supply. But this is utopia)

[evgen1221]

Utopia say, well, the states will laugh at this for a long time.

[akropin]

Me to the United States - to the bulb, I mean naturally the Russian Federation.

And so the United States is a very dense population on the east and west coasts. There is a lot to lose.

[evgen1221]

Here are just so much smeared over the area. The warhead is stupidly lacking. And to take off the last panties for the sake of another utopia in throwing missiles around the world, somehow it’s not particularly eager.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: evgen1221

It's just that it is so much smeared over the area.

Look at the population density in the United States by territory and do not mislead the people. Their population concentration is higher than in Russia.

[evgen1221]

VO has already discussed the issue of this concentration and the cost of disposal. Take the time to look. There will be some stupid questions, please read that article again.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: evgen1221

Take the time to look

I was not too lazy. Not convincing. What remains is unlikely to be considered a superpower. The Latinos will come and plunder everything that remains in the "clean" states.

[credo]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

At the same time, the Chinese author is trying to explain the reasons for the "fixation" of the Russian Aerospace Forces on this plane.

I thought he would scold, but here, on the contrary, he deliberately analyzes. Well, even when the MiG-31 was created, it could work as an automated control aircraft, and now it is being promoted as an advanced solution.

For the sake of objectivity, it should be admitted that the Chinese in the field of all types of weapons are not leaders in the world, but they are good copiers, and therefore what the Chinese edition can know about the real goals of military developments in Russia or the United States and the use of previous projects and developments, in addition to their assumptions. It looks like nothing.

Sometimes one gets the impression that the endless printed discourses of Chinese publications about advanced foreign products are calculated on the fact that some specialist from Russia, the United States or other countries of arms manufacturers, hurt to the quick, in a fit of emotion will take and write on the Internet a rebuke to the Chinese "ignoramuses" about what the old developments are actually used for.

[prior]

To be able to judge, copyright masters would first need to create something like this.

[Roman070280]

To be able to judge

Even the judge did not come to court ..))

[Machete]

Start listing who is fixated on what weapons?
Chinese, kuku!
You are armed with a strategist - a copy of the TU-16. 59th year of the beginning of construction. Do you have to crow about obsession?

[Roma 1977]

In fact, the latest modification of the Chinese copy of the Tu-16 has been put into service since 2011, and this is a very advanced device. There only the glider from the Tu-16 remained similar.

[Machete]

Is there a difference? We also have a glider from the Tu-95. But this is the same TU-95 of the mid-20th century. And the TU-160 is also far from young.
Another thing is that nothing better than them has yet been created in their category. And the Chinese are not driving at the best.
And they poke something at us.

[Roman070280]

Nobody pokes you ..
A person just thinks about this topic, and understands quite sensibly ..

If you don't like it, you don't have to read it ..))

[Machete]

They poke. They poke it as well. In almost every "expert" article.
It's more veiled here.

[For example]

Quote: Machete

We also have a glider from the Tu-95. But this is the same TU-95 sample of the mid-20th century.

This is schizophrenia.

You will decide, or - "there is a glider from the Tu-95"
Or - "the same TU-95 sample of the middle of the 20th century"

The rest of the people do not even doubt that the Tu-95 and Tu-95MS have only the first characters in the name in common.
Absolutely different planes.

Or is the most important thing about an airplane?

[Machete]

Oh, that's not necessary.
You got it right.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Roma-1977

In fact, the latest modification of the Chinese copy of the Tu-16 has been put into service since 2011, and this is a very advanced device. There only the glider from the Tu-16 remained similar.

And our MiG-31 exists in the 1985 version, or what?

[rocket757]

In Chinese Sina: "Russia is fixated on its old MiG-31 interceptor"

What's wrong? The aircraft performs the assigned tasks ... it will have something to replace, the process will go by itself.

[Machete]

MiG-31 has surpassed time. Even now, there is nothing equal to him.
But in the 21st century it is possible, with new technologies, to swing at the MiG-41.
But this will be a completely different plane. The difference will be like between the current MiG-31 and all the others.

[rocket757]

Quote: Machete

MiG-31 has surpassed time. Even now, there is nothing equal to him.

That's right! The aircraft was created to perform specific tasks, according to OUR specifics !!!
Our designers have surpassed everyone !!!
I hope that the newly created will turn out to be as successful, perfect, effective

[dauria]

MiG-31 has surpassed time.

More precisely, the MiG-25 platform was created for high-altitude high-speed interception, especially for supersonic strategists of the Valkyrie type (never appeared). So it turned out to be the most modern and the most unnecessary. Moreover, this was achieved by conventional methods and technologies, and not, as in the SR-71, by semi-space expensive piece goods.
And only then (do not throw out the same excellent large glider) they converted it into an excellent (by the standards of that time) radar station, put the operator and turned it into what the Tu-128 was doing. Loitering carrier of long-range air combat missiles. He does not do what he was once created for.

[Machete]

The platform is the platform, and here we are talking specifically about the model 31.
It is always unclear why the Chinese comrades are dismantling something that has already been dismantled a thousand times. And what they themselves do not have. And it won't.

[Roman070280]

there will be something to replace

Actually, this is what the article was about ..))

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: rocket757

The aircraft performs the assigned tasks

Indeed, it does! MiG-31 is not only an air defense interceptor; but also the "interceptor" AUG. armed with "Dagger"! And pi.licat that the MiG-31 is an archaism and is not needed in modern warfare ... so let them whine ... there will be a "surprise" for them! As in the joke? "Cow, what are you doing? Give me a hundred, I will answer! Well, on ... I rinse a banana peel in a stream! Well, you are a fool! A fool is not a fool, but I have 5 thousand a day! ...."

[rocket757]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Indeed, it fulfills

The airplane is airworthy / not airworthy ... all the more, it has such tasks that others cannot perform, for objective reasons.
Empty reasoning of envious people, fu fu on them.

[K-50]

In Chinese Sina: "Russia is fixated on its old MiG-31 interceptor"

This is from envy !!
Can you do better? Do, not mumble about "looping"! Can not? Close your mouth and sit on the bamboo in silence !!!

[Roman070280]

Close your mouth and sit on the bamboo in silence !!!

Chinese journalists forgot to ask Alexey from VO ..))

Shl .. how much snobbery there is in some people ..

[K-50]

Quote: Roman070280

Shl .. how much snobbery there is in some people ..

And don't say. They really can't do anything new, for that opinion is off the charts!

[Roman070280]

If it was a stone in the Chinese garden .. then in our country there is just more Chinese than our own .. And in the whole world ..
Well, the opinion in the article is quite restrained and adequate .. without yelling, gagging and moralizing ..))

[Dizel200]

The Chinese still have to grow and grow up to the MiG 31. Do they have a lot of aircraft with such a speed and the ability to go into the stratosphere?

[Ren]

There are many time-tested design solutions:
ICE, wheel, glider MiG-31, AK-47 ...

[Roman070280]

ICE, wheel, glider MiG-31, AK-47

I will surprise you - but all of the above (except for the MIG-31) is constantly changing and improving ..
Even the internal combustion engine. even a wheel - we have stepped technologically far ahead in half a century ..
And Kalash are constantly releasing new ones ..

[Ren]

Quote: Roman070280

Even the internal combustion engine. even a wheel - we have stepped technologically far ahead in half a century ..
And Kalash are constantly releasing new ones ..

Can you name the radical differences in design solutions?
I don't think so ...

[Roman070280]

radical differences

The difference from the internal combustion engine in power .. radical !! Some cars of the WWII times do not stand next to modern cars .. (I will not even say anything about electric motors, hybrids, etc.)
Wheels differ in their grip properties, for example ..
Or you still have wooden rims and hubs everywhere from the time of their invention ..))

[Vikxnumx]

The difference from the internal combustion engine in power .. radical !! Any cars from the times of WWII and do not stand next to modern cars ..

So he worked on an A-50 diluted with urine ...
Try to squeeze out the declared liter capacity on such fuel and oil of the 40s!

[Roman070280]

So he worked on an A-50 diluted with urine ...
Try to squeeze out the declared liter capacity on such fuel and oil of the 40s!

Well, here I am saying - there are a lot of differences ..
This is power, and dimensions / weight, and efficiency, and environmental friendliness and a bunch of everything else ..
Including, taking into account the trend in changing fuels, oils, metalworking and other materials ..

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Roman070280

radical differences

The difference from the internal combustion engine in power .. radical !! Some cars of the WWII times do not stand next to modern cars .. (I will not even say anything about electric motors, hybrids, etc.)
Wheels differ in their grip properties, for example ..
Or you still have wooden rims and hubs everywhere from the time of their invention ..))

Recently, before going to bed, I watched a film of the Wings of Russia studio from the Military Cars cycle before going to bed, where one engineer said the phrase, literally, "the optimal design solution" The point is that different designers, regardless of design bureaus (schools), find the optimal solution independently of each other.
The MIG-31 glider is an optimal design solution. But its modernization of units, avionics, navigation, radar, weapons, etc., if we draw an analogy with your example:
Internal combustion engine operating by burning a mixture of gasoline, diesel fuel, kerosene, other hydrocarbon fuel, 2-stroke or 4-stroke, based on a cylinder block (in-line arrangement, V-shaped, opposed) piston group and crank mechanism, cylinder head - optimal design solution.
An increase in power due to forced injection, an increase in the working volume and number of cylinders, a change in valve timing, or an increase in fuel economy using combined power plants due to an electric engine (s), rotary piston internal combustion engines - the development (modernization) of an optimal design solution. The same as the modernization of the MIG-31 without changing the airframe as an optimal design solution.
With regard to tires, the situation is similar. The wheel is round, blown rubber (filled with air, other filler) is stretched over the rim of the wheel, the principle is old.

[Roman070280]

The wheel is round, inflated rubber (filled with air, other filler) is stretched over the rim of the wheel disc, old principle.

I did not write at all that the principle of the aircraft should be changed ..))
He still has to fly, not swim ..

shl. although the same principles of the engine change from internal combustion engines to electric .. It is possible that something is possible with airplanes (even a fact)

Korolev created his "seven" in a few years .. and it will soon be like a hundred years - ideal / optimal for us ..
I think, if not from scratch .. and 10 times more time - he would have found something to improve there, and make it more "optimal" ..

[Lynx2000]

So what am I writing about ?! In addition to "stealth technologies", the principle of the design of such aircraft is, as they say, the optimal design solution.

[Roman070280]

So what am I writing about ?! In addition to "stealth technologies", the design principle of such aircraft is, as they say, the optimal design solution.

Just not at all about that ..))
The principle of the car is also optimal .. but over 100 years they have changed .. So it is with the MiG-31 ..

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Roman070280

Just not at all about that ..))
The principle of the car is also optimal .. but over 100 years they have changed .. So it is with the MiG-31 ..

Do you think the MiG-31 is outdated? If I am not mistaken, the B-52 is a little older than the TU-95, the Lancer is also no stranger. The F-15 and F-16 are the same age as the MiG-25.
Externally, the cars have changed - they have been modernized. How is the modern Wrangler radically different from Willis? Frame, four wheels, two continuous axles, internal combustion engine, manual transmission, transfer case without differential, rigidly connected front axle.
Power steering, track control, ABS, contactless ignition, etc., this is all modernization.

[Incvizitor]

but all of the above (except for the MIG-31) is constantly changing and improving ..

MiG-31B Serial modification of the MiG-31, equipped with an in-flight refueling system; entered service in 1990.
MiG-31BM Modernization of 1998, a modern version of the MiG-31 for the Russian Air Force. A new armament control system and radar, which will allow detecting targets at a distance of up to 320 kilometers and simultaneously track up to ten air targets.
MiG-31K Kinzhal missile launcher

[Ros 56]

The Chinese wanted to build a copy, but nowhere to lick? So they decided that they would criticize the Russian plane, and they would hang our ears and throw them like junk. They will manage, let them do it themselves.

[rotmistr60]

In the article, the Chinese author, in principle, argues for the need to use the MiG-31, incl. mentioning the Arctic. But we read the title of the article

In Chinese Sina: "Russia got stuck in his old interceptor MiG-31 "

As I understand the title of the article was given by the VO editor, which does not correspond to the meaning of the article. And this is not the first time when VO editors interpret the meaning of articles in the foreign press in their own way.

[jaroff]

Not too lazy, found:
https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/photo/c/2021-04-20/doc-ikmxzfmk7935267.shtml
Chinese comments are interesting

[migsu]

Interesting to whom! ??? Children !?

[Rusticolus]

Chinese comments are interesting

Let me guess without looking - something like a Chinese named Da Man Tsev with similar comments on his articles？ Well, Damantsev is the same author of a large Russian publication, one might even say the largest. True, no one here considers him a journalist, and many are skeptical of his articles. I give the idea to the authors of VO. Stamp a few articles about the PLA, and then monitor all sorts of Sina and Sohu for a review of their articles. Think about that later, you can speak relatively truthfully ... yes, I, yes, the largest international publications refer to my articles.

[Shubin]

The Arctic direction is strategic. And the fact that it is covered by MiG-31 interceptor fighters is quite justified. The Chinese themselves indicate that MiG-31 are capable of "stopping American strategic bombers until they launch a missile strike on Russian territory"... And even more so, there is nothing surprising in the fact that a new MiG-41 interceptor is being developed. Each country has its own directions in the development of aircraft construction and its own visions in the use of aviation. Only a military conflict, which I hope will not happen, will show the correctness of one or another tactic.

[migsu]

The Chinese "inventors" of Soviet technology will still argue with the Neanderthals of North America about the ownership of Soviet technology!

[tolmachiev51]

Problem! - there is nothing to tyrit and copy.

[Just a Traveler]

Everything from poverty))))))