Russian tankers in the Kuril Islands will switch from modernized T-72B3 to T-80BV

The Russian Ministry of Defense will continue to strengthen the defense of the Kuril Islands. In order to strengthen the military grouping on the islands, the rearmament of armored units will be carried out.

Russian tankers serving on the Kuril Islands will switch to new Tanks... Major General Vladimir Belyavsky, the commander of the 68th Army Corps of the Air Defense Forces, spoke about this. Instead of the modernized T-72B3 tanks currently in service, the T-80BV will be delivered to the islands.

The Defense Ministry explained that the replacement of tanks is carried out to "increase the combat capabilities" of units on the islands. In addition, almost all Far Eastern tank units and subunits have been receiving T-80BV and T-80BVM tanks for a long time. According to the military, this tank is more suitable for the climatic conditions of this region.

The 68th Army Corps, headquartered in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, is responsible for the defense of Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. Parts of the 18th machine-gun and artillery division, which includes a separate tank battalion, are located directly on the Kuril Islands. In addition, there are tank units in the machine-gun and artillery regiments. The delivery of T-72B3 tanks to the Kuril Islands was announced in October last year; now they will be replaced by T-80BV.

The T-80B tank and its modifications were produced at Omsktransmash JSC from 1979 to 1991. The last modification was the T-80BV tank, which was adopted by the Soviet army in 1985. Currently, the troops are supplied with the MBT T-80BVM - a new version of the modernization of the tank, also developed in Omsk.

Comments

[Thrifty]

In general, the T72 needs to be modernized like the T90 to version M. A similar version should be made for the T72 - with a similar turret, with a KaZ, and so that the price does not come out of the box.

[newcomer]

So it seems, they do it.
But the Japanese mom will have another indigestion. .

[Egoza]

Quote: newbie

But the Japanese mom will have another indigestion.

And also on their frequencies on the radio to play your favorite song by accident: "The armor is strong, and our tanks are fast." Well, also the one where it says about the samurai ...

[newcomer]

However, you are sophisticated in torture. In this case, the Japanese mom's stomach will fly out.

[astra wild2]

Egoza is well thought out. Let the Japanese listen to our songs. We are kind

[mojohed2012]

When Comrade Stalin sends us into battle ... and Voroshi will lead us into battle ...
This song?

[Piramidon]

Quote: mojohed2012

This song?

This one, "Three Tankers". There are words there that directly relate to them.
"And the samurai flew to the ground
Under the pressure of steel and fire "

[astra wild2]

Was only this one, but how do you like "wide my country is fashionable"?

[novel66]

as long as their fleet is stronger .. I don't think they care about tanks

[newcomer]

We will annihilate their fleet with aviation and coastal defense systems. But the Yapas are seriously engaged in the fleet.

[Volder]

Quote: novel xnumx

while their fleet is stronger .. I don't think they care about tanks

It is impossible to conquer either the Kuril Islands or Russia by ships alone from the sea. They will have to land troops, unload military equipment ashore. And now our tanks will meet them.

[novel66]

naive. and aviation from light aircraft carriers. and missile strikes ... tanks, despite their armor, are very vulnerable, in island operations the fleet is more important

[Alex777]

There are such distances that all Japanese aviation can easily fly.
And the Japanese, like the fleet, are very decent.
Aircraft carriers are most likely to protect the islands from China.

[Reserve buildbat]

But, as I understand from your comment, light aircraft carriers, amphibious ships and other landing vehicles are invulnerable?

[novel66]

and they have a lot of destroyers and frigates, they will protect. if anything

[Reserve buildbat]

Yeah. Protect. If they can defend themselves. And then in some places there will be enough tank guns to drown the impudent people. But no one has canceled the missile systems, and our aviation, too, will not watch from the airfields how some suicides are rushing into our waters.

[novel66]

too many of them.....

[Reserve buildbat]

yapov? Yes to health))) Just think, where the attacking fleet should get fuel? Where should he return at the end of the hike? They will go out together in an attack on Russia. 70% will burn up on the way, the rest even take Shumsha for example. It will require replenishment of fuel, weapons, etc., but there are no ports in Japan ... It is simply not left without even nuclear strikes. No piers, no fuel storage facilities, no weapons depots, no infrastructure ... And what do you order them to do?

[mark1]

Well, I don’t know - English Channel tanks on the islands ... Well, make a warm hangar, put something like Webasto and that's enough, why do the islands have high dynamic characteristics? Now, of course, they will refute me ... but I don't know ...

[Aerodrome]

Quote: mark1

Well, I don’t know - English Channel tanks on the islands ... Well, make a warm hangar, put something like Webasto and that's enough, why do the islands have high dynamic characteristics? Now, of course, they will refute me ... but I don't know ...

but what about the violent activities of the Ministry of Defense?

[mark1]

Quote: Aerodrome

but what about the violent activities of the Ministry of Defense?

Well, you can order a battalion of walking robots - it's good for parades ...

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: mark1

Well, I don’t know - English Channel tanks on the islands ... Well, make a warm hangar, put something like Webasto and that's enough, why do the islands have high dynamic characteristics? Now, of course, they will refute me ... but I don't know ...

Other worries about this news: T72BZ is a very good tank, the transfer was completed only last year, why replacement？

[NDR-791]

Quote: Andrey Korotkov

T72BZ is a very good tank, the transfer was completed only last year, why replacement？

Maybe in another place you need just such. For example, for unification for quick repairs. In what place we will not specify this.

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: NDR-791

Quote: Andrey Korotkov

T72BZ is a very good tank, the transfer was completed only last year, why replacement？

Maybe in another place you need just such. For example, for unification for quick repairs. In what place we will not specify this.

I understood you since the tank of the alleged enemy T64BV in some indicators is higher than ours, then the castling is more understandable

[Shket53]

Good day ... excuse me ... please tell me, what parameters is T64BV higher or better than T72B3 ... thanks

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: Shket53

Good day ... excuse me ... please tell me, what parameters is T64BV higher or better than T72B3 ... thanks

Quote: Andrey Korotkov

Quote: newbie

I suppose, either they will replace earlier versions in parts, or immediately for modernization.

Modernization would not be superfluous, walkie-talkie （communication）, cover the top of the tower with kazy, do the machine gun

[eburg1234]

Remote ZPU, relatively quick engine change, slightly better cross-country ability in some conditions (less weight, "leaky" goose cleans itself better), modernized cars have navigation. But the T-64BV has much more disadvantages. In duel situations, I would bet on the T-72B3 because of the better protection, shells, a new weapon and TPV.

[newcomer]

I suppose, either they will replace earlier versions in parts, or immediately for modernization.

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: newbie

I suppose, either they will replace earlier versions in parts, or immediately for modernization.

Modernization would not be superfluous, walkie-talkie （communication）, cover the top of the tower with kazy, do the machine gun

[alexmach]

Other worries about this news: T72BZ is a very good tank, the transfer was completed only last year, why replacement？

Apparently they are not enough in the western direction. In many parts of Vostochno VO, the T-80 was first replaced by the T-72B3, and then back, literally within a few years. From here, the topic of modernizing the T-80, which had not been planned before, surfaced ... but now most of the T-80 delivered to parts are simply from storage bases, without modernization.

[Andrey Korotkov]

I agree with you, I have not climbed, compared

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Andrey Korotkov

I agree with you, I have not climbed, compared

There is no need to climb too much, a year ago there was an article about the rearmament of tank units and units of the 68th AK on the T-72B3

Defense of the Kuril Islands will be strengthened with modernized T-72B3 tanks

https://topwar.ru/176536-oboronu-kurilskih-ostrovov-usiljat-modernizirovannymi-tankami-t-72b3.html
article from 28 October 2020
... now a new article is right there, even with similar text in some places .... about the rearmament of tank units and units of the 68th AK already on the T-80BV, i.e. to those that, according to the author's text

were produced at JSC "Omsktransmash" from 1979 to 1991. The last modification was the T-80BV tank, which was adopted by the Soviet army in 1985.

..... it turns out that the T-80BV, which are not upgraded and removed from the BHBT, are better than the upgraded T-72B3?
And according to VIKI, the 18th PULAD has long been rearmed on the T-80BV ...

94 units

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/18-я_пулемётно-артиллерийская_дивизия
IN belatedly ... with the news ...

[Reserve buildbat]

Unification. Do you know this word? Do you know its meaning? Immediately it is clearly written: "almost all the Far Eastern tank units and subunits have been receiving the T-80BV and T-80BVM tanks for a long time." Or will we keep 10 different tanks in each company there and enjoy the logistics problems of the type the Indians created for themselves?

[Andrey Korotkov]

good evening, what is unification （must go for a walk
it seems to be connected with medical examination）, just when my colleagues and I discussed this news at breakfast and were preparing for lunch, you apparently were preparing hard for dinner, with which I congratulate you, I advise you to spread your smart thoughts at midnight, and do not read all the comments you should not （we are not worthy of you）

Quote: stock buildbat

Unification. Do you know this word? Do you know its meaning? Immediately it is clearly written: "almost all the Far Eastern tank units and subunits have been receiving the T-80BV and T-80BVM tanks for a long time." Or will we keep 10 different tanks in each company there and enjoy the logistics problems of the type the Indians created for themselves?

[Reserve buildbat]

If we close our eyes to your rudeness, then we can say that somewhere you are right. I read the article and comments less than an hour ago when I got home from work. Excuse me, I have no time "for breakfast and in preparation for dinner" on the sites to jump. Need to work.

[Andrey Korotkov]

No offense, it was a banter, I just always look through the comments tied with an arrow so as not to repeat myself and not to blast nonsense, especially where it is not special （I think it's stupid and not polite in relation to those who read and comment）, Ivan was doubly not pleasant to read from his colleague in the construction battalion , with respect to you

[Reserve buildbat]

No offense. I myself am somehow tired today. The day turned out to be nervous

[Per se.]

Quote: mark1

Well, I don’t know - the English Channel tanks to the islands ...

There are three straits between Kunashir and Hokkaido - Kunashir, South Kuril, and, the Strait of Treason. Instead of the English Channel, which one do you prefer?
For me personally, it is also very strange to place high-speed T-80s on the islands of the Kuril ridge, where they will more act as armored firing points. In the photo, an abandoned IS-3 on Shikotan.

[carstorm 11]

Do they remember their speed all the time? Did you run him across the crossroads? ) it has been verified many times that in the conditions of the march of tank columns, this does not give ANYTHING at all. moreover, for example 72 passed through the forest faster. This is not a racing car. This is a tank.

[mark1]

Refer to the experience of the GSVG - the transfer of the T-80 columns along the autobahns. Tank for the European theater of operations.
For the islands, the engine is expensive, requires a completely different service (which most likely is not there), so it is not entirely clear what the real readiness will be. And all in order to jump out of the hangar (note the warm one) according to the principle, "we were fast asleep and suddenly we were attacked"? But here, too, you can use pre-heaters (some kind of Vibasta, everything is cheaper), which are included in the cold beforehand.

[carstorm 11]

That he could only be there in the GSVG. Now there is no such grouping and tanks simply have nowhere to squeeze out the possible speed. Not. Of course, in theory, one can imagine that our tanks will fly along the autobahns, but this is more from the realm of fantasy, our theater of operations has now changed a little and the GDR is no longer there. Where can they squeeze out such speeds?) In all other conditions, the GTE simply has no advantages

[mark1]

Yes, you can imagine anything you want in theory, but on the islands they simply have nothing to do stupidly, unless this is just a perverted form of disposal.

[Per se.]

Quote: carstorm 11

Where can they squeeze such speeds?

But, as it turns out, "such speeds" on small islands "the place" ... The point, Dmitry, is not even the maximum speed between the T-80 and T-72, on the highway or "on the crossroad", no matter how many times someone or it is not checked.

The T-80 tank has a much softer ride and a smoother turn. Just on the march, this will wear out the crew and personally the driver less. Plus, amazing agility and mobility, with light, responsive handling.
Why spray such tanks on the Kuril Islands?
The fact that the tank is a "racing car", no one has ever proved.

[carstorm 11]

I’m just saying that he doesn’t need controversy. But the fact that he can start from the start and not warm up for 40 minutes gives advantages.

[carstorm 11]

This is yes. Ergonomics better travel softer. But there is one thing. ... The T-80 is more pleasant to drive and the average speed is higher. Everything changes dramatically in the convoy - here it is already easier and more pleasant on the T-72, especially if the T-80 convoy has at least one "mechanic" with poor training. 80 is lost in the column and on the march.

[Old tanker]

Trust the operator for almost 20 years of the T-80 tank. No diesel tank will catch up on the crossroads. In the woods too. The armored personnel carrier of the battalion based on the T-72 was always smoking far, far from the tail of the column.
The dynamics of the T-80 is more nimble. The overclocking characteristics are higher. The power density is higher. Let it be known to you that the turning radius of a tank with planetary gearboxes (T-64, T-72, T-80, T-90) in each gear is a constant. And the higher the gear, the bigger it is. So, there are only 80 of them on the T-4, and as many as 72 on the T-90/7! The turn is carried out due to the transition of the lagging track to a gear lower than that of the leading one. Due to the greater difference in speed, the T-80 makes a tighter turn. Which is very beneficial on the winding forest paths. For example, when the T-80 moves in any gear, it can, without switching to a lowered gear, fit into the radius into which on the T-72 you will first have to switch to a low gear before turning, and for this to slow down in advance, and only then clamp the lever.
In terms of driver fatigue on the march, the T-72 is significantly inferior to the T-80.

[carstorm 11]

Yes?) What are the physical principles of a gas turbine engine to make a diesel ns intersection? The diesel engine is stupidly faster. There is no need to spin the turbine. Play forever with a brake and burn fuel as if not in yourself. I fit 80. I started with her in Good from school and all my life on them. But there are no advantages to it. No, and it never was.

[Old tanker]

And what have physical principles to do with it?
If you have been on the T-80 all your life, you should know that the turbine spin-up from minimum to maximum speed occurs in 7 seconds. That is, it is necessary to discharge gas when approaching the pit, for example, in advance. To pause the car practically in front of her. And descend smoothly. And add gas, not yet descending into it, so that the maximum power is on the rise. In order not to straighten out of it and prevent an impact, we slightly slow down with a brake at the exit. On the T-72, before descending into the pit, we dump the gas, smoothly enter, with the front rollers resting on the anti-ice wall, add gas. At the pass, we slightly release the gas. Just a different technique. On the T-72, you can slow down slightly only with the slowdown button. Since when you press the brake without squeezing the clutch, the tank will stall. And the button will not always allow you to slow down to the required speed. So you need to drop the gas pedal, depress the clutch and brake pedal. And this is a significant loss of speed. On the T-80, you can slow down for a short time without dumping the gas at all. This greatly increases the dynamism of the car on intersections. Smaller turning radii are also pleasing to the T-80 at the intersection. Starting up on a slope while overcoming the same obstacle "Stopping at the designated place on the rise" of the KBBM on the T-72 is possible only from 1st gear, with the levers pushed towards you. You fly in at 4-5, press the clutch and brake at the same time, then switch to the first one, squeeze the levers, release the brake, squeeze out the gas, release the clutch and release the levers with some difference. Complicated. And on the T-80 he flew into 2, hit the brake, stopped, released the brake and went. Can you imagine the movement in a column along a long ascent with frequent stops on the T-72/90 ?! The mechanic will simply be worn out. And on the T-80, when stopping on the rise, he threw off the gas, squeezed the brake and wait for the start of movement. Before starting. I added gas and released the brake. And that's it! Here's another advantage on the crossroads. I have already mentioned the smaller turning radius of the T-80. This is also an advantage on the crossroads.
I served on the T-80 for 18 years. At the same time, for several years, the UBG operated the T-64 (and this is a complete analogue of the T-72 in terms of control, only less powerful), well, and the ARV (4 years as the battalion's deputy engineer) generally consider the T-72.
So I have something to compare on my own vast experience.

[flanker7]

Thank you for the intelligible presentation of the information. I happened to be CT on 80BV, so I completely agree with you.

[Aleks tv]

... On the T-72, before descending into the pit, we dump the gas, smoothly enter, with the front rollers resting on the anti-deck wall, add gas. At the pass, we slightly release the gas

Good day.

Yes.
I’ll add a little:
We begin to give revolutions when the first pair of road wheels reaches the "bottom" of the pit.
Although it is necessary to look at the time of the year.
We do everything in 3rd gear.

In general - a very solid comment.
Thanks for the bit of nostalgia.

[eburg1234]

This is all true when comparing the T-72 and T-80 80s. Now the T-72B3 has a 1130-horsepower engine and an automatic gearshift, which somewhat changes the situation.

[loki565]

For me personally, it is also very strange to place high-speed T-80

They were high-speed in relation to the old T72, now the 72 hp engine is installed on the T3B1130 and they are equal in speed, and in some areas the T72B3 even wins.

[Old tanker]

It wins only in overclocking characteristics. In terms of maneuverability and fatigue, the driver is significantly inferior.

[loki565]

Who! with 1130 hp engine there is an automatic transmission, I don't think that with it the driver gets more tired

[Old tanker]

The box is not automatic, but there is an automatic gear change. We can talk about him separately and for a long time. By the way, he will turn off, which is often done for a number of reasons. On the T-72, the effort on the levers is higher. You can brake (press the brake pedal) only when squeezing the clutch. Otherwise, the engine will stall. The peculiarity of the rigid connection of the crankshaft and drive wheels. That is, you use three pelois with a rearrangement of legs. On the T-80, you can brake by simply pressing the brake pedal, which generally has a double action and a hydraulic booster, which is not on the T-72 even with a 1130 horsepower engine.

[carstorm 11]

They will not reach him. The point here is not even in the dynamic characteristics, but rather in operational readiness. GTE makes it possible to leave the parks immediately after launch. The reaction time is much faster. a diesel engine cannot do this especially in winter. In the conditions of the island, this can influence a lot.

[Slon1978]

The terrain on the islands is mountainous (engine power is needed, including during prolonged climbs and thin air), marches are short (i.e., fuel efficiency is not important), the theater of action is extremely small (i.e. an attack can only be sudden, therefore combat readiness should be high). Frosts on the islands are more than -30 at very high humidity, for technology probably all the same, but for people it feels like "continental" -30 can not be compared, ie. jumping with a tambourine around the tank in such frost is very below average pleasure. Therefore, there is logic in the replacement. But in general, I doubt the need for tanks in such a theater.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Slon1978

The terrain on the islands is mountainous

I agree, oh. Paramushir is considered the most mountainous of the Kuril ridge.

Quote: Slon1978

Frosts on the islands are more than -30 at very high humidity, probably all the same for technology, but for people it feels like "continental" -30 can not be compared.

The climate is milder there. During winter storms and blizzards in Paramushir, the air temperature is from -5 C to +3 C. Fogs, precipitation (drizzle, rains, a lot of snow) and strong winds are very frequent.
The southern islands are definitely warmer. Armored vehicles are located on the southern islands.

[Old tanker]

The T-80 has a significant loss of power, depending on the height above sea level. Due to the thinness of the air. So in the mountains he did not show himself very well. But on the Kuril Islands, the heights are insignificant, and the gain when starting the engine in low temperatures is significant.

[loki565]

Yes, even leopards sneeze in the cold)))

[Volder]

Quote: mark1

Well, make a warm hangar, put something like Webasto and that's enough, why are there high dynamic characteristics on the islands?

Waiting for the enemy in ambush on the front line for several days does NOT mean staying in bases in warm hangars, waiting for the Tomahawk to arrive.

[mark1]

Quote: Volder

Wait for the enemy in ambush on the front line for several days

Did you wait?

[Old tanker]

Start cycle T-80 55 seconds at any temperature. Is Webasto on a diesel tank a joke? There are heaters on them for a long time. Only the heating time at a temperature of +5 and below takes much more than a minute. And this significantly affects combat readiness.
I am concerned that T-80BV tanks with the long-outdated KDZ "Kontakt-1" will be supplied. The T-72B3 has a more advanced Contact-5. But it is also outdated and inferior to the "Relikt" installed on the T-80BVM. Well, the FCS on the T-80BV is ancient and cannot be compared with the Sosnaya-U T-72B3 and T-80BVM.
So tankers are transferred from more advanced tanks to an outdated tank, only because of the less whimsical engine to start. This is not at all good news as presented in the article.

[mark1]

Quote: Old Tankman

Is Webasto on a diesel tank a joke?

And in what? I do not specifically mean about this company, but in principle. They can maintain the temperature of the diesel engine even all night, even a day - they come and start and go.

Quote: Old Tankman

So tankers are transferred from more advanced tanks ... ... only because of the less whimsical engine to launch.

More expensive engine.

[Old tanker]

Do you know the volume of the T-72 lubrication system? 78 liters! The capacity of the tanks is 65! Can you imagine how much electricity you need to spend to maintain the required oil temperature per night? No battery capacity is enough. Well, webasto at -20 does not always help.

[Lord]

About twenty years ago, maybe there was more talk about the tunnel dug by the Japs
So they found the campaign

[Orca]

Quote: Andrey Korotkov

the tank of the alleged enemy T64BV by some indicators is higher than ours

At what indicators did it suddenly become higher - the antenna was lengthened, or instead of the "red eye" for the soldier of the alleged enemy, President Ze, they did something on the tower, such as a captain's bridge? I beg you - don't make me so funny.

[agond]

If the far east is equated with the regions of the north in which the T-80s already serve, then it would be correct to have them in the east, logistics is simplified, especially since there is no dust there and there are low temperatures, which increases the resource of the turbines and increases their efficiency

[ROSS_51]

And the freed T-72B3 will be sent to Kaliningrad ... Such military logisticians ...

[Evil 55]

I don't see the point at all ... It is much easier to drown the T-80 in a puddle and ruin it with a cheesy solarium than the T-72. It means that the modernized machines, in the modernization of which the awful people's money has been invested, are stupidly sent "to the slaughter." did not allow it.

[Lars971a]

You will also remember that on the T-72 in winter it is necessary to pump out oil from the bkp and in severe frosts, double, and if the pumping does not work, then light a fire under the bottom, for the T-80 this is not necessary ........ ............

[Hiller]

During the Soviet era, there were T-55s. And on RTOTs IS-3

[FrankyStein]

It doesn't matter what is there on the islands, the war for them will be in the air.

[Hiller]

Good news. In Goryachiye Klyuchi, I will update

[AC130 Gunship]

The winters are cold there. Starting a gasoline engine is much easier than a diesel engine semi-paraffin-embedded in paraffin.

[Until Ger]

Is it warmer in ZabVO?
There is a heater on the T-72.
You start it up, you warm it up
and calmly start the tank.
And fuel in the army every six months
change ....
From summer to winter
and vice versa.
Well this is a headache
Deputy for armament
(zampotekhov).

[Orca]

Quote: AC130 Ganship

The winters are cold there. Starting a gasoline engine is much easier than a diesel engine semi-paraffin-embedded in paraffin.

Well, since when did Russian T-shki start working on gasoline - can't you remind me?