"Why is Karabakh better than Donbass": Baku criticized the European Union for meeting with Armenian "separatists"

The meeting of the EU Special Representative for Conflicts in the South Caucasus and Georgia, Toivo Klaar, with the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the unrecognized republic of Nagorno-Karabakh, held in Yerevan last week, angered Baku. According to the Azeri newspaper Haqqin, the EU representative had no right to meet with the "separatists".

Last week, Toivo Klaara held a meeting in Yerevan with representatives of Nagorno-Karabakh, or, as he put it, "representatives of the Armenian community." The main topic of discussion is the humanitarian situation in the region after the military conflict.

Official Baku reacted extremely negatively to the meeting, stating that the EU has no right to meet with representatives of "separatists" on the territory of Karabakh and interfere in the affairs of the sovereign state of Azerbaijan. The EU mandate does not provide for a mediating mission in the situation around Nagorno-Karabakh.

The representative of the European Union tried to justify himself, saying that the EU stands for the sovereignty of Azerbaijan and its integrity, but Baku did not accept his position, recalling that the EU did not want to play a significant role in the settlement of the conflict in Karabakh. The publication writes that his meeting with the representative of the NKR Toivo Klaara creates imaginary hopes of the separatists for support from the European Union and a possible redistribution of the territories of Karabakh.

It is emphasized that if the EU representative wanted to achieve long-term peace and stability in the region by his actions, then why does he not hold the same meetings with the leaders of the unrecognized republics of Donbass. If, speaking for the integrity and sovereignty of Azerbaijan, he meets with the leadership of Karabakh, then why, speaking for the same with Ukraine, he does not meet with the leadership of the LPR.

Why is Karabakh better than Donbass? Why is Donetsk worse than Askeran?

- sums up the author, bearing in mind the double standards of European diplomacy.

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[Reserve buildbat]

"If by his actions the EU representative wanted to achieve long-term peace and stability in the region, then why does he not hold the same meetings with the leaders of the unrecognized republics of Donbass. If, speaking for the integrity and sovereignty of Azerbaijan, he meets with the leadership of Karabakh, then why the same with Ukraine, he does not meet with the leadership of the LDNR. "
A logical question. But again, there will be no answer to it.
And I just imagined what a howl would rise if the "official Kremlin" declared that "the EU has no right to meet with representatives of" separatists "on the territory of the republics and interfere in the affairs of the sovereign state of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics."

[t00r]

And who is the "official Kremlin" who is Gorbachev who seems to be alive, or are these state traitors (from the point of view of the Constitution and the laws of the USSR) whom everyone despises "official"?

[hirurg]

Yes, they need at least a claw to run where they have no influence.
They are not interested in the world, they are interested in influence, and through this influence is money.

[xorek]

Why is Karabakh better than Donbass? Why is Donetsk worse than Askeran?

Well, how what? The Armenian diaspora is very strong in and rich in the world .. It was infa that the Armenians around the world literally in a month collected in a special fund more than 100 million Baku for the armament of the Armenian militia .. Well, in political terms in the world, even more so .. recognition of the Armenian genocide by Turkey in the UN !!!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: xorek

Why is Karabakh better than Donbass? Why is Donetsk worse than Askeran?

Well, how what? The Armenian diaspora is very strong in and rich in the world .. !!!

And how many volunteers went to protect Artsakh ??? (from around the world)
How many countries under the influence of the "Armenian diaspora" came to the defense of Artsakh ??
Nagorno-Karabakh was not recognized as an "independent state" even by Armenia itself ....

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Quote: xorek

Well, how what? The Armenian diaspora is very strong in and rich in the world ..

Sure. Not for beautiful eyes. The total number of Armenians in the world is 10-11 million.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: xorek

The Armenian diaspora is very strong in and rich in the world ..

Remember, the US Senate doesn't care about Armenians. There are interests of corporations, money, but Armenians have no dough. And the French shouted during the war and now they cry that Azerbaijan does not allow them to projects in Karabakh.

Quote: xorek

It was infa that Armenians all over the world in just a month collected more than 100 million Baku for the armament of the Armenian militia in a special fund.

100 Armenian Baku will not help them.

Quote: xorek

They even achieved recognition of the Armenian genocide by Turkey in the UN !!!

Turkey wanted to spit on what they achieved. Turkey says I opened the archive, let's create an international commission and let them check everything in detail and give a verdict. Armenia refuses to open the archives .......... why ???????? Whose ears are hiding there?

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Stroibat stock

“If the EU representative wanted to achieve long-term peace and stability in the region by his actions, then why does he not hold the same meetings with the leaders of the unrecognized republics of Donbass?

The only thing that I like from the rhetoric of Azerbaijan is that He presses the European institutions of "democracy".
It would also not hurt us with the OSCE to be tougher. Sutuations in Donbass and Lugansk are not optimistic.
Here in the West, the "aggression" of the Russian Federation is being sharply escalated in the media and TV.
Zelensky is of course a jester! But don't go round and round to poke your nose at the militia.
But from provocations, We are not immune.
Well, psheki, they are already provoking in a brazen way.
Concerning Azerbaijan.
I think it is utter nonsense to carry out parallels!
Here is Our Blood and Dear! And Karabakh, let the Armenians sweat.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: vlad.baryatinsky

The only thing that I like from the rhetoric of Azerbaijan is that He presses the European institutions of "democracy".

Right. Aliyev told the Frenchman from the OSCE bluntly that he had arrived. )))))))))))

Quote: vlad.baryatinsky

Here in the West, they are sharply pumping up in the media

The media are weapons of the 21st century. By the way, you have 90% of the media in the hands of Armenians.

Quote: vlad.baryatinsky

And Karabakh, let the Armenians sweat.

Yes, they do not sweat, they are looking for any reason in Sochi or Marseille to get out. They love their homeland from outside.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Stroibat stock

if the EU representative wanted to achieve lasting peace by his actions

West to believe yourself not to respect !!!
1. The UN created 4 resolutions on Karabakh and it was all purple about what and how.
2. They entrusted the OSCE to solve the problem - they did everything to prevent the problem from being solved. Therefore, Aliyev correctly told one of the French that he had arrived ?!
3. But when Gaddafi had to be destroyed in 1 hour, the resolution was created and like the dogs they all attacked. There is money there. But there is nothing in Karabakh.

[Orange bigg]

"Why is Karabakh better than Donbass": Baku criticized the European Union for meeting with Armenian "separatists"

The fact that Pashinyan is a protege of the West and acts in its interests, and the West does not control Donbass, just as it does not control Azerbaijan, but controls and supports Christian Armenia. In the second Karabakh, western mercenaries fought for Armenia. Azerbaijan was supported by Turkey. Here everything is divided into its own. Although Turkey is a member of NATO, it is pursuing an increasingly independent policy and is moving away from the West. In the West, it was never considered a part of their Western civilization, more as a tool.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Although Turkey is a member of NATO, it is pursuing an increasingly independent policy and is moving away from the West.

Why not? Turkey wanted to buy F35, the "allies" refused. Then they decided to buy the air defense patriots, and again they refused. Moreover, they are also being blackmailed with the Armenian genocide. The Turks saw such allies in the coffin. I am sure any self-respecting country would do just that. And now they all send them to 3 funny letters.

Quote: OrangeBigg

In the West, she was never considered part of their Western civilization.

Believe the Turks don't care about them anymore. They want to enter the eurozone for one reason, TRADE. Grandma.

[t00r]

Quote: xorek

The Armenian diaspora is very strong in and rich in the world .. It was infa that the Armenians around the world literally in a month collected more than 100 million Baku in a special fund for the armament of the Armenian militia ..

a set of fairy tales, 100 million bucks is as much as 4 MI-24 helicopters ... and they got it out of the diaspora what is called on the day of judgment for the war with a country that has 50 yards of gold reserves in gold. as it is weak.

[venik]

"...if the EU representative wanted to achieve long-term peace and stability in the region by his actions, then why does he not hold the same meetings with the leaders of the unrecognized republics of Donbass. If, speaking for the integrity and sovereignty of Azerbaijan, he meets with the leadership of Karabakh, then why, speaking for the same with Ukraine, he does not meet with the leadership of the LPRP... .... "
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"Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye" !!!

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Quote: Emil Azeri

What other "foreign minister" of Karabakh?))

Quote: Trapp1st

to remind you why you last time face to face this face and stuffed, cried, fled to Baku.

Quote: Scorpio05

What is the place of Azerbaijan as a separatist, if 93% in the Azerbaijan SSR (unlike Armenia) voted for the preservation of the USSR?

Quote: Scorpio05

I do not agree with the Azerbaijani (allegedly) comrade, but I don’t think that it is necessary to react to him in this way. Maybe he is not Azerbaijani) Who knows him or me?))

Don't get turned on, guys. One way or another, it is Russia that will put everything in its place ... over time.

[Ruslan Sulima]

There is a difference. Moreover, it is serious.
As there Pashinyan talks about Russian bases on the territory, if only we had a couple of these, and all the questions subsided ...

[north 2]

the question - "why is Karabakh better than Donbass", could only be asked by provocateurs. A correct, non-provocative question would be "why is Karabakh worse than Donbass?" I do not mean anthropological data or nationalities living there and there, not nature, but the capabilities of those states and those leaders whom Karabakh and Donbass are looking at with the hope of guarantees. Russia, which Donbass is looking at, now only had to move a few troops on its territory towards Ukraine, and Zelensky had already yelled about a new truce between Ukraine and Donbass. And Armenia kept its regular troops in barracks even when Azerbaijan occupied region after region of Karabakh. And if necessary, Putin's Russia will show the Banderaites what a real flogging looks like for the threat of seizing Donbass, while Pashinyan Armenia has not shown anything of the kind to Azerbaijan. On the other hand, if not the savior of Russia in Karabakh, then Aliyev would take the weight of Karabakh to Azerbaijan. And Zelensky does not even have a 0,001% chance of taking Donbass to Ukraine. So Karabakh is no better than Donbass, and Karabakh is a hundred times worse than Donbass, and therefore, where it is worse and where it is bad, EU special representative Toivo Klaara urgently takes care of them.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: north 2

And Armenia kept its regular troops in barracks even when Azerbaijan occupied the region after the region of Karabakh.

Don't lie !!!!
The population of Karabakh is no more than 100.000 Armenians. About 5-7K Armenians died there. All those killed were buried not in Karabakh, but in Yerevan and other cities of Armenia. There were only 10k deserters. Subtract old people, children, women from 100k. And do you want to say the Karabakh Armenians fought with Azerbaijan? Isn't it funny to yourself from this nonsense? Don't repeat the Armenian mantra here.

[Lara Croft]

"Why is Karabakh better than Donbass?"

The fact that, unlike the Russian Federation, the RA military doctrine says about the RA guarantee of the NKR's security, which you can always remember and turn history back to sleep ... the time has not come yet ... AzR only received what he was given to receive ..

[yehat2]

I'm wondering, is it funny to me alone?
the separatist Azerbaijan, who left the USSR, accuses the separatist Armenia, which left the non-existent republic, of separatism

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: yehat2

am I alone funny?

Yes, you alone are ridiculous because write nonsense and blatantly lie !!!!

Quote: yehat2

the separatist Azerbaijan, who left the USSR, blames the separatist Armenia

In the referendum, Azerbaijan voted more than 90% for the preservation of the USSR and Armenia, on the contrary. Therefore, Armenia is mono-national, in contrast to Azerbaijan.

[yehat2]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

you're lying

and what is

[Ruslan Sulima]

Another such statement from the Azeris, let's start to deal with everyone who is with us.
Podzadolbali already ..

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

Another such statement from Azeris, let's start dealing with everyone

A good idea! Got up from the couch, hold the machine gun and go with a song!

[Ruslan Sulima]

A good idea! Got up from the couch, hold the machine gun and go with a song!

The trouble then is with your brothers, I start from Khartsyzsk ...
I will add
I do not distinguish between you Azeris and Armenians. Your problems don't interest me at all.
, I am at war with Bandera

[Prisoner]

What are you, Mr. Aliyev ?! This is "different".

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Quote: Emil Azeri

The Russians understood me, this is the main thing ..

Quote: Emil Azeri

Armenians, have you completely lost your fear after seeing the Russian peacemaker?))

Quote: Emil Azeri

Russia would not exist now

Quote: Emil Azeri

why did they hide behind Ivan's back ??

Judging by the pluses, the deflection is taken into account. And where did you get the idea, Baku guest, that an Azeri shopkeeper is closer to a Russian than an Armenian taxi driver? I don’t see much of a difference between you.

Yes, I also think that it is a big mistake to seek understanding here, among people like you) He is young, hot, sometimes. Thinks can explain something to you or others like that). You can explain some points to a neutral audience, although this is also considered a monkey's work. But such platforms are not a place for understanding or, God forbid, sympathy at all.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Scorpio05

But such platforms are not a place for understanding or, God forbid, sympathy at all.

I, dear, was born in a once large multinational country, I witnessed how non-titular nations made their way to a place in the sun here in Russia. You can blame me for callousness and whatever, but for them, showing sympathy is a sign of weakness. Why should I root for one of them in this incomprehensible fuss around a piece of incomprehensible whose land? And now they are also pouring their primitive propaganda materials here in order to win over the Russians. Why? We do not need to suggest that they are our brothers - the approach should be pragmatic to the point of cynicism. And that's all. This is the basics of geopolitics. And let these fringed snot be left for their tribal sites.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

Another such statement from the Azeris, let's start to deal with everyone who is with us.
Podzadolbali already ..

And how to understand, there is almost no one left there?)) All have long been citizens of the Russian Federation. Will you be yourself? Hopefully not to the wall? From you personally it will become) And so for information: Azerbaijanis are the indigenous people of the Russian Federation.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: yehat2

I'm wondering, is it funny to me alone?
the separatist Azerbaijan, who left the USSR, accuses the separatist Armenia, which left the non-existent republic, of separatism

Let's talk about this, interesting. What is the place of Azerbaijan as a separatist, if 93% in the Azerbaijan SSR (unlike Armenia) voted for the preservation of the USSR? And tell me, are M. Gorbachev and B. Yeltsin Azerbaijanis who initiated and carried out the collapse of the USSR practically alone?

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Trapp1st

Why are you so impudent?

Arrange massacres, rapes, robberies ... can you burn children alive? the main thing is not to get impudent? A sofa warrior, to remind you why you last time face to face this face and stuffed, cried, fled to Baku. And Vanya does not protect Armenia there, but ordinary people living there from repeating the heroism of Azerbaijan.

Listen, why did you attack him? I, too, do not agree with him in everything, this is not the place for such statements and the tone seems to be ... But why go into hysterics? You are in Azerbaijani Khojaly, Karadaghly, Aghdaban, Baganis Ayrum, Jemilli and so on. which Azerbaijani women and children were not protected from Armenian bandits (the so-called Armenian Armed Forces), but rather, as it were, the opposite - the ever-memorable 366th Regiment of the 4th Army of the Zak.VO, which took part in the seizure and massacre of the Azerbaijani civilian population in the Azerbaijani the city of Khojaly.
Just the question is, why weren't they protected from "iron" ashot, capable only of women and children massively cutting and gutting, and then under the wing of the elder - at Sherkhan) Is that only working in one direction?
By the way, excuse my curiosity, judging by the fervor of the reaction, even somewhat hysterical, you are not Armenian, by any chance? Honestly.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Scorpio05

but rather, as it were, on the contrary - the ever-memorable 366th regiment of the 4th army of the Zak.VO, which took part in the capture and massacre of the Azerbaijani civilian population in the Azerbaijani city of Khojaly.

Why do you remember this SME all the time together with Aliyev?
The headquarters of the 4th OA ZakVO was in Baku, and the 4th OA itself (5 MRD) was deployed on the territory of the Azerbaijan SSR, in terms of the number of military and military units, formations and units, it surpassed the 7th OA of the ZakVO (stationed on the territory of the Armenian SSR , 3 MRD, one of which - the 127th MRD came under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and is now known to everyone as the 102nd AF of the RF Armed Forces), but in the 4th OA most formations were deployed, and on the territory of the Georgian SSR (formations 31- th AK, 4 MSD, three of which later turned into three WBs of the RF Armed Forces) and the Armenian SSR were either cropped or reduced in strength, and all the Air Force and air defense troops were located on the territory of the Georgian SSR and the Azerbaijan SSR ... in the same place in the Azerbaijan SSR all the district warehouses were located ...
In addition, almost nothing has departed from the formations and units deployed in the territory of the Azerbaijan SSR, the Russian Federation, except for the Airborne Forces, the radar station in Gabala and part of the seafarers of the Caspian military flotilla ... ...
So agree that the first Karabakh war was won by one SME ... during the beginning of the Karabakh conflict, the Union Government was on the side of Baku, and if it were not for your nationalist Elchibey, then the Azerbaijanis would have won the First War ... that's all...

[Scorpio05]

Quote: North 2

the question - "why is Karabakh better than Donbass", could only be asked by provocateurs. A correct, non-provocative question would be "why is Karabakh worse than Donbass?" I do not mean anthropological data or nationalities living there and there, not nature, but the capabilities of those states and those leaders whom Karabakh and Donbass are looking at with the hope of guarantees. Russia, which Donbass is looking at, now only had to move a few troops on its territory towards Ukraine, and Zelensky had already yelled about a new truce between Ukraine and Donbass. And Armenia kept its regular troops in barracks even when Azerbaijan occupied region after region of Karabakh. And if necessary, Putin's Russia will show the Banderaites what a real flogging looks like for the threat of seizing Donbass, while Pashinyan Armenia has not shown anything of the kind to Azerbaijan. On the other hand, if not the savior of Russia in Karabakh, then Aliyev would take the weight of Karabakh to Azerbaijan. And Zelensky does not even have a 0,001% chance of taking Donbass to Ukraine. So Karabakh is no better than Donbass, and Karabakh is a hundred times worse than Donbass, and therefore, where it is worse and where it is bad, EU special representative Toivo Klaara urgently takes care of them.

Interestingly, the leading Armenian politicians and leaders, including. former prz. Serzh Sargsyan, opposition leader V. Manukyan, former ave. Minister G. Bagratyan say that the Armenian army has been destroyed, and Serge Sargsyan adds that even the best reserve brigades have been destroyed. And here you tell us sadly, the Armenian army remained in the barracks)) Whom should we send? There was no one left))
And the former deputy chief of the General Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces, ex-military commissar of the republic, Major General Levon Stepanyan, speaks about those who have not yet been disposed of in Karabakh, i.e. about deserters who left combat positions or refused to go to Karabakh:
"This is several tens of thousands of people, at least 10 thousand."

I understand you are more competent and you are in the epicenter of events, but you still don't need to make people laugh.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Quote: Scorpio05

But such platforms are not a place for understanding or, God forbid, sympathy at all.

I, dear, was born in a once large multinational country, I witnessed how non-titular nations made their way to a place in the sun here in Russia. You can blame me for callousness and whatever, but for them, showing sympathy is a sign of weakness. Why should I root for one of them in this incomprehensible fuss around a piece of incomprehensible whose land? And now they are also pouring their primitive propaganda materials here in order to win over the Russians. Why? We do not need to suggest that they are our brothers - the approach should be pragmatic to the point of cynicism. And that's all. This is the basics of geopolitics. And let these fringed snot be left for their tribal sites.

Yes, no one inspires and no one pretends to any feelings) In my opinion, they are too sentimental and take it to heart. I do not agree with the Azerbaijani (allegedly) comrade, but I don’t think that it is necessary to react to him in this way. Maybe he is not Azerbaijani) Who knows him or me?))
And where does the agitation? Not everyone writes agitation, and this is not typical of Azerbaijanis in general. . Make the difference between propaganda and objective information, and in principle it is easy to distinguish ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Scorpio05

. Make the difference between propaganda and objective information, and in principle it is easy to distinguish ...

Easy, of course. Therefore, I call the sob of this Azerbaijani (or whoever he is) 'agitation'. It is strange that you see some kind of 'objective information'. There is no object, only pubertal emotions

[iouris]

I don’t want to offend anyone, but now I’ll say one smart thing: you shouldn’t ask such questions to the European Union and the Russian Federation if you are covered and lie under Erdogan. Better not to tweet.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: iouris

if you cover yourself and lie under Erdogan.

If I honestly understand you like no one else. How do you know what fraternal peoples are! That's why everything is Kama Sutra for you! I saw nothing further than the Kama Sutra.

[iouris]

I don’t graze sheep and goats with you. For me, the Azerbaijani people are "fraternal".

[Tank hard]

Yes, the Azerbaijani side speaks correctly, sheer lies and "triple standards" from the West.

[iouris]

What do you want? In fact, they have a triple doublethink.

[Tank hard]

Quote: iouris

In fact, they have a triple doublethink.

No, they have meanness and contempt for others.

Quote: iouris

What do you want?

Fairness and mutual respect.

[Rubi0]

Ay well dunked the Europeans, well done

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Quote: Scorpio05

. Make the difference between propaganda and objective information, and in principle it is easy to distinguish ...

Easy, of course. Therefore, I call the sob of this Azerbaijani (or whoever he is) 'agitation'. It is strange that you see some kind of 'objective information'. There is no object, only pubertal emotions

Speaking about objectivity, I wrote not about this comment, but in general and in general.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: Scorpio05

but rather, as it were, on the contrary - the ever-memorable 366th regiment of the 4th army of the Zak.VO, which took part in the capture and massacre of the Azerbaijani civilian population in the Azerbaijani city of Khojaly.

Why do you remember this SME all the time together with Aliyev?
The headquarters of the 4th OA ZakVO was in Baku, and the 4th OA itself (5 MRD) was deployed on the territory of the Azerbaijan SSR, in terms of the number of military and military units, formations and units, it surpassed the 7th OA of the ZakVO (stationed on the territory of the Armenian SSR , 3 MRD, one of which - the 127th MRD came under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and is now known to everyone as the 102nd AF of the RF Armed Forces), but in the 4th OA most formations were deployed, and on the territory of the Georgian SSR (formations 31- th AK, 4 MSD, three of which later turned into three WBs of the RF Armed Forces) and the Armenian SSR were either cropped or reduced in strength, and all the Air Force and air defense troops were located on the territory of the Georgian SSR and the Azerbaijan SSR ... in the same place in the Azerbaijan SSR all the district warehouses were located ...
In addition, almost nothing has departed from the formations and units deployed in the territory of the Azerbaijan SSR, the Russian Federation, except for the Airborne Forces, the radar station in Gabala and part of the seafarers of the Caspian military flotilla ... ...
So agree that the first Karabakh war was won by one SME ... during the beginning of the Karabakh conflict, the Union Government was on the side of Baku, and if it were not for your nationalist Elchibey, then the Azerbaijanis would have won the First War ... that's all...

Forgive me, such terrible events are remembered. The civilian population of this city, mainly women and children, suffered a terrible fate. Khatyn and Lidice are remembered after so many years, and there were more victims in Khojaly. In addition, the Armenians did not calm down on this, they repeated the mass destruction of the defenseless civilian Azerbaijani population in several more Azerbaijani settlements.
Secondly, it was about the specific city of Khojaly, which was of critical importance for the fate of the entire Nagorno-Karabakh, after which the events took on an avalanche-like character. And to which headquarters or army the regiment was formally assigned did not matter for the regiment that was completely decomposed and went over to the side of the Armenian nationalists and its command.

[Anar]

That's right, Mr. Erdogan put the head of the EU in a corner ...