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Rogozin announced the construction of the first module for the Russian space station

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Russia has already begun construction of the first module for the domestic space station. This was announced by the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin, having made a corresponding entry in his telegram channel.


Rogozin wrote that the first basic module of the new Russian space station is already in operation, it will be ready by 2025. This year, Roskosmos must ensure that the first module is ready to be sent into orbit. The head of the state corporation did not provide other details about the progress of construction, although it is known that we are talking about a scientific and energy module previously intended for the ISS. Work on it has been going on for a long time.

Thus, Rogozin confirmed Russia's intention to build its own orbital station, which in the future will replace the ISS. At the same time, Roskosmos does not intend to withdraw from the agreement on the operation of the international space station. The construction of a new one will take a lot of time and money, and research is necessary. At the same time, Deputy Prime Minister Borisov said that it was necessary to warn the "partners" about the withdrawal from the ISS project from 2025, especially since Russia intends to begin mothballing its segment of the station from this year.

Let us recall that in November last year, RSC Energia, which is the operator of the Russian segment of the International Space Station, proposed abandoning further participation in the ISS program and focusing on the creation of a Russian space station. It was noted that the further operation of the ISS will lead to huge expenses for maintaining the technical condition due to the deterioration of the modules.

According to RKK's plans, the new Russian space station (ROS) will consist of three to seven interchangeable modules. The station will be autonomous, built with an open architecture and an unlimited service life. If we take into account Rogozin's record about the readiness to send the first module into orbit in 2025, then it will begin to be assembled in 2025-2026.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 20 2021 12: 10
    +9
    Just great! Based on the already gained experience, it is always easier to move something new. And a cabman, even a space one, is not a big deal.
    1. For example
      For example April 20 2021 12: 13
      +14
      God grant that the Russian station in Earth orbit would take place.

      As a base. As a foundation for space exploration.

      All these international affairs are a dead end.

      For there is no friendship between countries and never has been.
      1. hrych
        hrych April 20 2021 12: 25
        0
        Quote: For example
        Russian station in orbit

        There is no doubt about it. And what is the shutdown of the ISS in 2 years? This is already the beginning of the dismantling. So we were persuaded to extend cooperation until 2030, but on Earth they behaved ugly laughing Of course, until the age of 30 I would have worked quite well, but the Russian Federation is under a plausible pretext ... it is sharply (relatively) curtailed. Now valuable equipment will be dismantled, returned, etc.
        1. Genry
          Genry April 20 2021 14: 24
          +3
          Quote: hrych
          Now valuable equipment will be dismantled, returned, etc.

          There is nothing to return. Let him hang out in orbit under supervision.
          There is an orientation. There are sleeping places, a toilet too (+1 in Science). Replace old solar panels (as if a new truck is needed: in the form of a basket with orientation motors).
          1. hrych
            hrych April 20 2021 14: 37
            +3
            Divorce is indicated, now the divorce proceedings are starting, possibly with the smashing of dishes laughing
        2. Blackbeard
          Blackbeard April 20 2021 22: 18
          -1
          the "science" module will not live long, mde
      2. anjey
        anjey April 20 2021 12: 28
        0
        Exactly, one wild competition and a desire to have a partner in full, the West is so "loving" laughing An independent state starts from the Cosmos.
      3. figwam
        figwam April 20 2021 12: 34
        +11
        Quote: For example
        All these international affairs are a dead end.

        Although earlier the authorities stated that one country could not pull such a project.
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin April 20 2021 13: 54
          +6
          Well, in the 90s we could not live without the "enlightened". In general, if there is a station, it means that the Russian space has survived. God grant that everything will work out!
          1. For example
            For example April 20 2021 14: 58
            0
            Quote: figvam
            Although earlier the authorities stated that one country could not pull such a project.

            They meant the United States. wink
            Those really could not pull such a project.
            So I had to help the "partners". laughing

            But the "partners" were completely maddened.

            Apparently the time has come for Russian space.
            I hope.
            1. Artyom Karagodin
              Artyom Karagodin April 20 2021 15: 15
              -1
              China will definitely connect soon. And the United States, to all appearances, will squeeze out its station. At least in low-earth orbit. But if they fail, we will not cry. repeat
              1. For example
                For example April 20 2021 15: 16
                -1
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                China will definitely connect soon


                We need our own, Russian station.

                How long to step on a rake?
                1. Artyom Karagodin
                  Artyom Karagodin April 20 2021 15: 22
                  +2
                  So I'm not talking about that. And that we will not be there alone, as in Soviet times. That is, at least another Chinese orbital station will appear. And the American one, most likely, too. But let them, it is important for us that OUR was. So here I agree.
                  1. For example
                    For example April 20 2021 16: 00
                    -1
                    Artyom, I'm not arguing with you at all.

                    Our station was there.
                    Fifty years have passed since the launch of the first Russian station.

                    Now the ISS is there because the Russians are there.
                    And the delivery to the station was Russian for many years.

                    But with the rest of the countries so far everything is in the projects.

                    So far, no one except the Russians has created their own station in space.

                    Let them do it.
                    No one interferes.
                    1. Slavenin82
                      Slavenin82 April 20 2021 20: 20
                      +2
                      So I think if we leave the ISS project, then this project will cease to exist without us. And I have a feeling that “Mir,” was flooded by their persuasion so that we could be drawn into the ISS project, so that there was no one of our own.
                    2. Nazar
                      Nazar April 22 2021 12: 42
                      0
                      For example - There was no "our" station. There was a station in the USSR, and you, like me, have been living in another country and this country for 30 years, the Russian Federation has never had its own station, just as there was no first satellite and the first man in space, all this was in another country, with a completely different social system, a different science and a different industry. hi
                  2. Kosh
                    Kosh April 20 2021 17: 20
                    +1
                    The Chinese are actually just now starting the full-fledged construction of their orbital station. In late April-early May, the launch of the Tianhe base unit is expected, followed by a service ship and a spacecraft with cosmonauts who will become the first crew of the station under construction.
            2. Barberry25
              Barberry25 April 21 2021 09: 45
              0
              the funniest thing: the Americans announced even before us that they would leave the ISS EMNIP, and now they will yell that this is sabotage of the Russians - leaving the ISS
        2. spirit
          spirit April 20 2021 16: 04
          0
          Well, Russia pays 20% of the station's maintenance. I very much doubt that we will pull it off, only in cooperation with China at their expense, then yes.
          1. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor April 20 2021 20: 27
            0
            Let's pull. 20% of the ISS is a lot, when a significant part of the funds, one way or another, is spent on segments of other countries. Let's pull. If it was not profitable, and financially unacceptable, they would not have fenced in the garden.
        3. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor April 20 2021 20: 17
          0
          Progress does not stand still, at the very beginning one country did not even pull out the railway on its territory. Everything was in concession. Then the countries themselves.
          In terms of stations, we have a single experience, and not a small one.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 20 2021 12: 47
      .
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Building on the already developed

      Everything is based on baragozin's twitter., On the basis of which, all our successes are either in the distant past, or even in the more distant future.
      Ah, ahh, well, yes, and patriotic songs, of course, to raise the spirit of the fighting "mikhanov".
      1. Nazar
        Nazar April 20 2021 13: 01
        -7
        Stroporez - Interestingly, when he blurted out that the module was already in operation, did he accidentally mention the "Science" module? Well, this is the module that is already 18 years old and everything is "in work", or it was abandoned and decided to start a new one ... at about the same pace request
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 20 2021 13: 17
          -8
          Quote: Nazar
          Well, this is the module that is already 18 years old and everything is "in work", or it was abandoned and decided to start a new one ... at about the same pace

          yeah, there are two more "undeveloped" netaanalagafwmire.
          Alexey Rogozin will be engaged in the revival of the Aleksin chemical plant. According to him, the enterprise will focus on the production of pyroxylin powder.

          "The son of" defense "Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin - 28-year-old Alexei Rogozin on Monday he became the executive director of the federal state enterprise "Aleksinsky chemical plant", located in the Tula region. Until recently, the plant was engaged in the production of powder mixtures, as well as - as a by-product - ethyl alcohol, furniture, dressing gowns, blankets, sleeves for refueling aircraft in the air and paints and varnishes.
          in general Munchausen smokes (((
        2. Errr
          Errr April 20 2021 13: 33
          +13
          Quote: Nazar
          Interestingly, when he blurted out that the module was already in operation, did he accidentally mention the "Science" module?
          Rogozin "blurted out" about the scientific and energy module NEM (1D), brought up by the taperich in the 439th shop of ZAO ZEM, RSC Energia.The long-suffering module "Science" is now planned for the ROS (Russian Orbital Station).
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 April 20 2021 13: 41
            0
            This makes me happy.
            But what, then, is it planned to launch in July?
            And most importantly - why?
            1. Errr
              Errr April 20 2021 14: 01
              +10
              In July, it is "Nauka" that will fly to the ISS.
              There is a rather bearded infa (dated June 27, 2016) that:
              ... if the ISS is completed in 2024, the scientific and energy module, as well as two more new Russian modules - a multifunctional laboratory module [not otherwise than Nauka] and a nodal module - will be undocked and become the basis of the Russian national orbital station.
              https://tass.ru/kosmos/3406782
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 April 20 2021 15: 12
                -2
                Uh-huh.
                And what is the point of launching MLM in July 2021 to the ISS, if the ISS can order a long life in 2024-2025? Is it possible that before? If we take into account the possibility of a probable avalanche-like growth of malfunctions and equipment failures on the ISS, expressed by Soloviev?
                Or undocking the MLM and then docking to a new docking station - an operation less complicated than a simple withdrawal and normal docking?
                1. Errr
                  Errr April 20 2021 15: 33
                  +1
                  There are almost 2024 more years until 3, and these are years of life ... wink
                  We will live and work on the ISS for now, and then we'll see. There is no reason to change the immediate plans, unless, of course, listen to the "nightingale trills" with rapture. smile I do not think that the technological operation of moving the Russian modules from the ISS to the new "residence" of the planned national orbital station is not feasible; in my opinion, it is very routine at the moment, i.e. pretty run-around procedure.
                  1. Cosm22
                    Cosm22 April 20 2021 17: 47
                    0
                    3 years is 3 years of operation and 3 years of resource development.
                    Which, by and large, does not exist at all. Remind you of the venerable age of MLM? And what about the fact that the manufacturer guarantees performance characteristics for only a certain period? Anything beyond its scope is not guaranteed.
                    On August 21, 2018, TsiKh, in the materials distributed at the Roscosmos stand at the Army-2018 exhibition, reported that the established service life of the MLM is 15 years. Then it was extended for one year - until 2020. Further, I have no doubt that it was extended once again, it is not without reason that the letter "U" was added to the abbreviation. But I would like to know the name of this daredevil. Who officially signed this document? The responsibility is enormous.
                    You can, of course, say that we are talking about different modules - MLM and MLM-U. That the first one has passed all the guarantee terms, the second one has not yet been confirmed. But does this really change the essence of the matter?
                    And then. Docking-undocking-docking operations require the mechanisms to work perfectly. And today there are a lot of claims to MLM, more precisely, to the tanks.
                    Let's remember this epic with tanks. Let us recall that back in 2013, they found dirt in the pipelines (and then in the Science tanks), and gave the launch a rebound. We stuck into the spare tanks - they were also dirty. Then, for a long 2 years, they decided under what pretext to allocate the loot for repairs. They came up with an awesome scheme for sawing the tanks with subsequent welding. Conducted a nonsense test in vegetable oil. Okay, let's replace the bellows tanks with frigate ones. The fact that after that the tanks will become disposable, it will be impossible to refuel them and include them in the general vehicle, did not bother anyone. Then at least one clever head was found, pointed to the insanity of what was happening. Therefore, we settled on the simplest option (and what was left if even new tanks could not be made, because there is no special steel for the bellows of the Moscow plant "Hammer and Sickle"?) - put additional filters and calmed down.
                    And now? The most difficult docking-undocking operation? With subsequent docking? With such tanks? Oh well...
          2. slipped
            slipped April 20 2021 14: 08
            +10
            Quote: Herrr
            Rogozin "blurted out" about the scientific and energy module NEM (1D), brought up by the taperich in the 439th shop of ZAO ZEM, RSC Energia.


            Yeah. In the video above, the slipway for 1D is for a dynamic layout. Here he is on the dynamics in TsNIIMash in the photo:



            And he is flying 1L. In the video, he lies behind the scaffolding. And in general - three buildings were made for them.
            1. Errr
              Errr April 20 2021 14: 20
              0
              hi
              And yet it turns!
              smile drinks
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      2. Artyom Karagodin
        Artyom Karagodin April 20 2021 15: 08
        +3
        Not only Rogozin spoke about this, but, for example, Yuri Borisov. He seems to have not yet been noticed in throwing words into the wind.
    3. credo
      credo April 20 2021 12: 49
      +10
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Russia has already begun construction of the first module for the domestic space station. This was announced by the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin, having made a corresponding entry in his telegram channel.

      One thing I can’t understand is why such news must be posted on the telegram channel.
      Is there no place left on the official website of Roscosmos or the secretaries with the press service do not have time to post information?
    4. poquello
      poquello April 20 2021 13: 00
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      so-so occupation.

      "Shy Alexander Yakovlevich invited the fire inspector to dine with what God sent. On this day, God sent Alexander Yakovlevich for lunch a bottle of bison, homemade mushrooms, herring forshmak, Ukrainian borsch with first grade meat, chicken with rice and dried apple compote ..."
      1. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor April 20 2021 20: 50
        0
        Please, where does the quote come from? 12 chairs, Golden Calf or something from Zoshchenko? I think I. Ilf and Petrov. I read it for a long time and forgot it already ..
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor April 20 2021 20: 53
          0
          remembered. really remembered 12 chairs myself.
    5. Svarog
      Svarog April 20 2021 13: 02
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Based on the already gained experience, it is always easier to move something new

      They have been relying on the experience of the USSR for 30 years and what new have they invented?
      1. slipped
        slipped April 20 2021 14: 11
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Based on the already gained experience, it is always easier to move something new

        They have been relying on the experience of the USSR for 30 years and what new have they invented?


        A lot of. And here this has been said more than once.
    6. Civil
      Civil April 20 2021 14: 21
      +1


      Rogozin is just like Yeltsin, he also "started and revived" everything before the elections. And then I happily forgot laughing
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 20 2021 14: 23
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        Rogozin is just like Yeltsin

        And I will not vote for either Rogozin or Yeltsin, and I do not advise you.
        1. Civil
          Civil April 20 2021 14: 25
          -6
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          And I will not vote for either Rogozin or Yeltsin, and I do not advise you.

          I advise you not to go to the polls at all. I can spread the interest on the parties right now, if you wish. I suggest that the State Duma should "roll up this booth" altogether. And to direct the money to the development of the National Guard, everything will be more useful.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 20 2021 14: 30
            +1
            Quote: Civil
            I propose to turn this farce to the State Duma altogether. And to direct the money to the development of the National Guard, everything will be more useful.

            I wrote everything down, tomorrow I'll start point by point! Don't thank.
            1. Civil
              Civil April 20 2021 14: 30
              -3
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              I wrote everything down, tomorrow I'll start point by point! Don't thank.

              Glad to try citizen chief.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U April 20 2021 14: 32
                +3
                Quote: Civil
                Glad to try citizen chief.

                That's nice, go take the pills and go to the crib.
          2. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor April 20 2021 21: 01
            +1
            last 2-3 elections, I adhered to your position, but I think, if you do not come, they will vote for you. I have nothing against VV, because there is no alternative, but it's time for the edrosov to end.
            1. Civil
              Civil April 21 2021 06: 54
              -1
              Quote: Nikon OConor
              last 2-3 elections, I adhered to your position, but I think, if you do not come, they will vote for you. I have nothing against VV, because there is no alternative, but it's time for the edrosov to end.

              Who is interested in the opinion of the native parliament, and even more so in the opinion of the natives.
    7. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor April 20 2021 20: 13
      0
      And the name "ROS" is symbolic.
  2. Popandos
    Popandos April 20 2021 12: 13
    +1
    In the news of "Vesti FM" it sounded that the power modules of the ISS would be involved.
    Judging by the timing, our part of the ISS will most likely be actually used.
    1. Cosm22
      Cosm22 April 20 2021 12: 51
      +5
      What kind of "power modules" of the ISS will be used?
      And which part of the ISS will be "actually used"?
      Docking-cargo "Dawn"? MIM "Search"? Zarya? "Pier", whose fate, alas, has already been decided? "Zvezda", the cracks in the spacecraft of which, in fact, brought the imminent demise of the ISS closer, but it is not recommended to talk about it out loud?
      Or do you mean NEM? So this module still needs to be brought to mind by 2025. And judging by the fact that we do not have the opportunity to make even new tanks on MLM, 2025 is only a basic starting point for the traditional shift to the right.
      1. Popandos
        Popandos April 20 2021 13: 57
        +4
        As they say for what he bought, he sold for that. All questions to the radio station.
        By 2025 I agree to all 120%
    2. slipped
      slipped April 20 2021 14: 15
      +7
      Quote: Popandos
      In the news of "Vesti FM" it sounded that the power modules of the ISS would be involved.
      Judging by the timing, our part of the ISS will most likely be actually used.


      Yes. The first NEM is planned as a basic ROSS module for cosmonauts. It is large and convenient for this. Plus it has excellent energy and engines.

      1. g1v2
        g1v2 April 20 2021 16: 03
        +5
        In general, I have long believed that instead of the useless ISS, we need our own orbital station for utilitarian purposes. First of all, for the control and repair of our satellite constellation. So that it was possible to arrange an assembly shop and a refueling station on it, where a malfunctioning satellite could be repaired. Plus, you need a tractor that can correct the orbit of satellites or launch a satellite into a given orbit, which for some reason did not go out on its own. How many satellites were so lost? Plus military and reconnaissance missions. Plus the launch of microsatellites from the station, and so on.
        We're just really at the very beginning of the cosmic journey. 60 years for the history of mankind is an instant. Several decades will pass and shipyards will appear in orbit. gas stations, hotels and factories. And this station will be the first step towards this. To real, not exploratory space exploration.
        1. slipped
          slipped April 20 2021 16: 46
          +3
          Quote: g1v2
          Several decades will pass and shipyards will appear in orbit. gas stations, hotels and factories.


          In the meantime, here's today's fresh snapshot of a technological camera from the new Russian small spacecraft DZZ "Orbikraft-Zorkiy":

  3. Alien From
    Alien From April 20 2021 12: 15
    +5
    Let's hope that this time the words do not differ from the deeds.
  4. Denis Rumyanny
    Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 12: 15
    -4
    Interestingly, the "new" module is not the same "Science" that has been in stock since the times of the USSR. And which has been collected for 20 years, is not collected in any way.
    1. MinskFox
      MinskFox April 20 2021 12: 36
      +2
      Have you been banned from Google? Science will be launched in the summer.
      1. Denis Rumyanny
        Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 12: 42
        -6
        So I'm talking about the same thing. Here, the yaryakalka are already throwing their caps up to the moon, but all this is the "new" module made in USSR
        1. MinskFox
          MinskFox April 20 2021 12: 49
          +2
          Science will fly to the ISS, after all, a new module is being made.
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 20 2021 13: 41
        -1
        I wonder why it should be launched to the ISS if this news says that the ISS is already starting to mothball?
        1. slipped
          slipped April 20 2021 15: 02
          +4
          Quote: BlackMokona
          I wonder why it should be launched to the ISS if this news says that the ISS is already starting to mothball?


          You do not understand - this is about the twists for the winter. laughing But seriously, no one is going to "preserve" anything. The station and the ISS and ROSS will be used for some time in parallel and after 2025.
        2. MinskFox
          MinskFox April 20 2021 21: 56
          0
          So they plan to undock science from the ISS and screw it to a new station, I don't know how, but according to plans.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona April 22 2021 14: 35
            +1
            No however
            https://www.interfax.ru/russia/762508
            1. MinskFox
              MinskFox April 22 2021 17: 21
              0
              Yes, you are absolutely right.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 20 2021 13: 02
      .
      Quote: Denis Rumyanny
      Interestingly, the "new" module is not the same "Science" that has been in stock since the times of the USSR. And which has been collected for 20 years, is not collected in any way.

      It is he. And evil tongues claim that Baragozin decided to revive the Almaz project belay But it is not exactly.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 20 2021 16: 32
        +1
        Reanimate Almaz in a new deeply modernized form, why not the construct has been worked out, it remains to create new equipment and as part of the new station is quite realistic.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 20 2021 17: 06
          -3
          Quote: Vadim237
          Reanimate Almaz in a new deeply modernized form, why not the construct has been worked out, it remains to create new equipment and as part of the new station is quite realistic.

          As far as I remember, Salyut was a “peaceful” version of Almaz, that is, if you saw through it, then you have to go back 50 years ago. Are you sure that this is a breakthrough against the background of lunar programs and yesterday's flight of a quadcopter in the atmosphere of Mars of our "partners"?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 20 2021 20: 45
            +1
            You do not need to return for any 50 years - having a base on the basis of Almaz, you can make a modern module of an orbital station "Are you sure that this is a breakthrough against the background of lunar programs and yesterday's flight of a quadrocopter in the atmosphere of Mars of our" partners "? to the above?
    3. From Tomsk
      From Tomsk April 20 2021 13: 35
      -2
      The first module of the future new Russian station, which is "already in operation", is a scientific energy module intended for the ISS. The development of the module began in 2012 with a plan for the launch to the ISS in 2016. But the reality is completely different - only in 2021 the assembly of the model began !!! of the sealed NEM compartment at RSC Energia. The question is - if, before assembling the layout, they were busy with this module for already 9 years, then when will it be ready for launch? The experience of the Science module suggests that everything can stretch until 2030.
      1. slipped
        slipped April 20 2021 14: 20
        +6
        Quote: From Tomsk
        But the reality is completely different - the assembly of the model began only in 2021 !!! of the sealed NEM compartment at RSC Energia.


        Wrong. The model has already passed annual dynamic tests at TsNIIMash.
    4. slipped
      slipped April 20 2021 14: 19
      +9
      Quote: Denis Rumyanny
      Interestingly, the "new" module is not the same "Science" that has been in stock since the times of the USSR. And which has been collected for 20 years, is not collected in any way.


      Not. The MLM-U "Science" module was made in 2013, and its body was welded in 1996. At the moment, it is in the MIC of the Baikonur cosmodrome and is preparing for its launch in July:

    5. Light
      Light April 20 2021 14: 23
      +5
      Science flies this year, and the new module in 25, it seems to be written in Russian in white.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 April 20 2021 15: 32
        +2
        A little clarification - it should fly.
  5. Kostya Lavinyukov
    Kostya Lavinyukov April 20 2021 12: 16
    -6
    The Science module is crying quietly in the corner.
    1. MinskFox
      MinskFox April 20 2021 12: 37
      +6
      According to the plan, they will launch it this summer.
  6. vitvit123
    vitvit123 April 20 2021 12: 18
    +2
    Then you can rent it by the day ... the profit will be even greater than from the carriage, if you find those willing.
  7. opuonmed
    opuonmed April 20 2021 12: 18
    +4
    well, let's see! the main thing is to start and finish!
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 April 20 2021 12: 29
    0
    Rogozin announced the start of construction of the first module for the Russian space station
    ... Criticize him right away or wait ... for something?
    1. max702
      max702 April 20 2021 12: 50
      +12
      Quote: rocket757
      Rogozin announced the start of construction of the first module for the Russian space station
      ... Criticize him right away or wait ... for something?

      After Roscosmos was headed by Rogozin on May 24, only one accident which, oddly enough, on the contrary, added whists to our cosmonautics .. For it showed that our evacuation systems really work even in the most critical situations, saving the lives of astronauts .. No one in the world can boast of such a guaranteed ..
      1. Nazar
        Nazar April 20 2021 13: 07
        -5
        max702 - And if you reduce the number of starts to zero, then there will be no accidents at all. We launch 4 times less than the USSR - where do accidents come from? , and the same Soviet technology flies hundreds of times, which have not yet been tested by us.
        1. slipped
          slipped April 20 2021 15: 14
          +5
          Quote: Nazar
          max702 - And if you reduce the number of starts to zero, then there will be no accidents at all. We launch 4 times less than the USSR


          Meanwhile, at the Vostochny cosmodrome, the space warhead of the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle is being assembled for a commercial launch under the VanWeb program:



          It will be Russia's seventh space launch in three months this year.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 April 20 2021 20: 44
            0
            Well, what does this have to do with the topic of the article?
            The comment itself and the picture? Does the position oblige you to fulfill the limit of posts?
            What if I or others start to litter the thread with extraneous news?
            For example:
            Meanwhile, the Martian helicopter successfully completed its maiden flight.
            Meanwhile, from January to early April, SpaceX (a private company!) Has already made EIGHT launches on the Starlink mission alone (from 16 to 23). Those. almost half a thousand spacecraft were launched in three months. Almost 5 satellites daily!
            In the meantime, the Mask has only 5 launches left to do (it will fit in this quarter), and the first orbital plane (53 degrees) after the 28th mission will be filled.
            In the meantime, 10 Starlink satellites have already been launched into the MTR with an inclination of 97,5 degrees (who loves to shout about polar orbit here?), And they have version 2.0 laser communication.
            In the meantime, Starlink services have already settled in Canada. In beta - in the UK, Germany, Poland, New Zealand, Australia. The future time, during which Greece, Austria, Italy, Spain, Ireland, Netherlands, Brazil, Mexico, Philippines, South Africa will join this list, I mention in passing, is bad manners for me.
            How do you like this presentation of the material? I can decorate it with rainbow pictures. For completeness of perception.
      2. Cosm22
        Cosm22 April 20 2021 13: 14
        -1
        After Rogozin took over the leadership of Kazakhstan in 2018, Russia's launch schedule plummeted.
        In 2019, only 25 launches were made, while Rogozin promised 45.
        In 2020, only 17 (the worst indicator in the last 12 years) with at least 50 launches announced by the same Rogozin.
        It is necessary to explain that with a decrease in the number of automatic starts, the accident rate also decreases?
        What is there to be proud of?
        1. opuonmed
          opuonmed April 20 2021 14: 11
          0
          Quote: Cosm22
          After Rogozin took over the leadership of Kazakhstan in 2018, Russia's launch schedule plummeted.
          In 2019, only 25 launches were made, while Rogozin promised 45.
          In 2020, only 17 (the worst indicator in the last 12 years) with at least 50 launches announced by the same Rogozin.
          It is necessary to explain that with a decrease in the number of automatic starts, the accident rate also decreases?
          What is there to be proud of?

          well, after they blocked access to spare parts, they immediately reduced it, and it seems like they found where to get it and do it, I think the top starts will go
        2. max702
          max702 April 20 2021 14: 36
          +2
          Quote: Cosm22
          After Rogozin took over the leadership of Kazakhstan in 2018, Russia's launch schedule plummeted.
          In 2019, only 25 launches were made, while Rogozin promised 45.
          In 2020, only 17 (the worst indicator in the last 12 years) with at least 50 launches announced by the same Rogozin.
          It is necessary to explain that with a decrease in the number of automatic starts, the accident rate also decreases?
          What is there to be proud of?

          Well, it turns out that there are not zero launches, as some people write here .. They do everything right, they do not pay off the launch nafig need, there is a risk of losing the launch. The main thing is that it’s also senseless to compare with the USSR, then there are tens of thousands of harvesters a year now produced by an order of magnitude fewer, but only then queues for bread, and now the shelves are bursting .. So with space, less is better ..
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 20 2021 16: 36
            0
            Yes, because progress in science and technology has gone far ahead in this, tens of thousands of tractors and combines are now not being produced simply because such a quantity is unnecessary - for launches in the USSR, mainly military satellites were launched.
            1. max702
              max702 April 20 2021 17: 04
              -1
              That is, there is no sense in records, but there is a strict need for something .. Do I understand correctly? Then the howl of many commentators is not clear that we are launching several times fewer missiles than under the USSR ..
            2. Nazar
              Nazar April 21 2021 02: 34
              0
              Vadim237 - that is, now military satellites do not need to be launched or what? The USSR had a satellite system for reconnaissance and target designation at sea, and the Russian Federation is only trying to create it. Well, as always, everything goes "to the right" - there is nothing to make satellites, their production was "optimized" to zero, and there is no one to buy from, they do not sell us this.
              1. Xscorpion
                Xscorpion April 22 2021 10: 44
                -1
                Quote: Nazar
                Vadim237 - that is, now military satellites do not need to be launched or what? The USSR had a satellite system for reconnaissance and target designation at sea, and the Russian Federation is only trying to create it. Well, as always, everything goes "to the right" - there is nothing to make satellites, their production was "optimized" to zero, and there is no one to buy from, they do not sell us this.

                In Soviet times, the life of military satellites was measured in days, at best weeks, after which they went out of orbit and it was required to launch new ones to replace them. Modern satellites live in orbits for years, or even tens of years. There is no need for mass launches. USSR in the quality and quantity of satellite constellation. You will not compare analog satellite systems, which gave information 2-3 times in their entire life by dropping containers with photographic film from orbit onto the territory of the USSR with modern digital satellite systems, which almost always transmit information online "Well, the quality of the photo is comparable to those of those times and modern cameras? So why do the launches? To amuse the people? So it is better then to start up fireworks and salutes, they are better seen."
                1. Nazar
                  Nazar April 22 2021 12: 53
                  0
                  Xscorpion - Classic - Fox and grapes. It seems like we don't need more launches, we didn't want to - right? Or maybe there is simply nothing to launch? Glonas - half of the satellites are "overdue", there is nothing to replace the promised Sphere with nothing to collect, the reconnaissance and target designation group is incomplete, there is nothing to supplement with. For 20 years (!!!) of a quiet life, they have not created their own microelectronics, and strangers do not sell us anything. Of course, what launches are there - there is nothing to put into orbit. And what about the "fireworks" - do you think you were joking? no, in five years this is the only thing that Roscosmos will be capable of, and even those fireworks will be made in China.
                  1. Xscorpion
                    Xscorpion April 22 2021 13: 23
                    -1
                    Quote: Nazar
                    Xscorpion - Classic - Fox and grapes. It seems like we don't need more launches, we didn't want to - right? Or maybe there is simply nothing to launch? Glonas - half of the satellites are "overdue", there is nothing to replace the promised Sphere with nothing to collect, the reconnaissance and target designation group is incomplete, there is nothing to supplement with. For 20 years (!!!) of a quiet life, they have not created their own microelectronics, and strangers do not sell us anything. Of course, what launches are there - there is nothing to put into orbit. And what about the "fireworks" - do you think you were joking? no, in five years this is the only thing that Roscosmos will be capable of, and even those fireworks will be made in China.

                    Our expired Glonass is actively used by Scandinavians, Americans, Canadians and many others, since this is the only system capable of operating without failures in high latitudes. Our reconnaissance capabilities are many times superior to Soviet capabilities, with their black-and-white photographs delivered every six months from orbit. on which it is not clear what was depicted, whether it is an aircraft carrier, or the whale is dead and floats upside down. Peonies will be cut and taken out. And so Liana is already functioning, it was with the help of it that Calibers in Syria and Zircon are now being tested. Do not worry, you You just do not know the question. Otherwise, you would know that in 25 the station will be launched, since all its modules are already in the hardware, ready, assembled and waiting in the wings. Namely, the death of the ISS.
                    1. Nazar
                      Nazar April 22 2021 13: 36
                      0
                      Xscorpion - Liana in an incomplete set and in Syria could not give the control center in any way - the question is, if Liana worked so well in Syria, what did the guy who died performing adjusting the control center do there - huh? Why risk the life of an officer on the ground if there is a satellite control center?
                      It is not necessary to pass off what you want as reality.
                      Glonas - yes it works, but I will repeat once again - there is nothing to replace part of the "delayed" grouping.
                      The modules have been in hardware almost since 1996, but this in no way means that by the 25th year they will be ready for launch, because what is "2025" is also a classic - "either the emir, or the donkey, or Khoja himself "Someone by this time will certainly" die "and there will be no one to ask, well, or no one, as usual in the Russian Federation.
                      1. Xscorpion
                        Xscorpion April 22 2021 14: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Nazar
                        Xscorpion - Liana in an incomplete set and in Syria could not give the control center in any way - the question is, if Liana worked so well in Syria, what did the guy who died performing adjusting the control center do there - huh? Why risk the life of an officer on the ground if there is a satellite control center?
                        It is not necessary to pass off what you want as reality.
                        Glonas - yes it works, but I will repeat once again - there is nothing to replace part of the "delayed" grouping.
                        The modules have been in hardware almost since 1996, but this in no way means that by the 25th year they will be ready for launch, because what is "2025" is also a classic - "either the emir, or the donkey, or Khoja himself "Someone by this time will certainly" die "and there will be no one to ask, well, or no one, as usual in the Russian Federation.

                        Do you think Liana should direct Artillery and helicopters? Or can she direct operational-tactical missiles of sea and land-based missiles? You are confusing something warm with soft. So did Liana and now she will be in every warrant's pocket? Army tactical reconnaissance is carried out as aerial reconnaissance, in particular already from an UAV, and in the old fashioned way with the help of the appropriate units, legs and eyes. So these are different priorities, for each purpose their own strengths and means. GLONASS works 100 percent and is in no way inferior to GPS, but I will repeat in high latitudes, it is much qualitatively superior. It does not smell of any delay there, since there are already reserve satellites in orbit, which are turned on as the old ones are disabled. So there are more of them there, more than necessary. 23 more state-of-the-art GLONASS-V satellites into orbit, and yes, for a long time, all world manufacturers, whose products contain navigation elements, have 25% installed GLONASS as a backup system y for GPS, and for about 6 percent of the Earth's territory, as the main system. You think in the Middle Ages. Once upon a time in Russia they sighed a long time ago, oh, once in a field from a village 40 people with scythes worked, this was power, and now one Vasya is working on the combine, oh, what have we reached.
                      2. Nazar
                        Nazar April 22 2021 15: 42
                        -2
                        Xscorpion - Only one moment, quote: ". GLONASS works 100 percent and is in no way inferior to GPS" Well, yes, well, yes ... but how do you like this: - Currently, the accuracy of determining coordinates using the Russian global navigation satellite system (GLONASS ) is 1,2 meters, excluding atmospheric distortion, which is inferior to similar indicators of the American Global Positioning System (GPS, 0,7 meters) and European Galileo (0,5 meters).
                        Slightly "sovramshi" - isn't it? The rest, written by you, is even funnier, who are you counting on when you write such nonsense here - eh?
                        It is not interesting with you - look for someone who will be satisfied with your fantasies as interlocutors - good luck! hi
                      3. Xscorpion
                        Xscorpion April 26 2021 12: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Nazar
                        Xscorpion - Only one moment, quote: ". GLONASS works 100 percent and is in no way inferior to GPS" Well, yes, well, yes ... but how do you like this: - Currently, the accuracy of determining coordinates using the Russian global navigation satellite system (GLONASS ) is 1,2 meters, excluding atmospheric distortion, which is inferior to similar indicators of the American Global Positioning System (GPS, 0,7 meters) and European Galileo (0,5 meters).
                        Slightly "sovramshi" - isn't it? The rest, written by you, is even funnier, who are you counting on when you write such nonsense here - eh?
                        It is not interesting with you - look for someone who will be satisfied with your fantasies as interlocutors - good luck! hi

                        Well, if you are blatantly lying, then at least create a form so that your lie does not come across clearly. The accuracy of Galileo, which by the way does not function at all and the scope of application is very narrow, about 4 meters, it took into account GPS errors and satellites to higher orbits The accuracy of your vaunted GPS is 7,8 meters, in high-latitude regions the error can reach tens of meters, in the polar 100 meters. The accuracy of GLONASS is 2,5 meters.
      3. Cosm22
        Cosm22 April 20 2021 18: 15
        -4
        This is what we are talking about.
        It is necessary to completely stop launching, then the missiles, in fact, are guaranteed to stop falling. This will be such an achievement! Song!
        1. max702
          max702 April 20 2021 18: 34
          -1
          Hmm .. That is, if for several dozen launches nothing has fallen, then nothing has been launched? Well, let's write it down ..
    2. max702
      max702 April 27 2021 10: 12
      0
      Quote: Cosm22
      What is there to be proud of?

      For two and a half years, Russia has conducted 58 accident-free launches of space rockets in a row, repeating the record set in the country's modern history almost 30 years ago, RIA Novosti calculated.

      On Monday, the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle successfully launched 36 British OneWeb communications satellites into orbit from the Vostochny cosmodrome.

      This launch became the 58th successful one for Russian space rockets since the last accident in 2018, when the Soyuz MS-10 flight to the International Space Station was interrupted due to a failure in the separation of the stages of the Soyuz-FG manned rocket. Thanks to the emergency rescue system, Russian cosmonaut Alexei Ovchinin and American astronaut Nick Haig landed safely then.

      In the two and a half years that have passed since that emergency, Russia has carried out 27 successful space launches from Baikonur, 19 from Plesetsk, five from Vostochny and seven from the Kourou cosmodrome in French Guiana. For comparison, during the same period in the world there were 17 space launches that turned out to be failures: eight - in China, three - in Iran, three - in the USA, two - in France and one - in New Zealand.

      The current accident-free series interrupted a series of annual emergency situations during Russian space launches. So, in 2010, 2013 and 2016-2018, there were one accident per year, in 2012 and 2015 - two each, in 2014 - three, in 2011 - four.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 April 20 2021 13: 19
    +1
    So we say .... loves to the grave, to beat backhand.
    Here is the Minister of Defense ... he speaks little, does a lot! Universal love and honor! Although the chaos in his department is no less.
    In Rogoz's department there is a lot of chaos and chatter, although it does business and the industry lives, badly / hip, but, it seems, is no longer going to die!
    In society, there is a lot of irritation, anger IN GENERAL, and the negative will be concentrated on talkative, public ones, in the first place. Rogozin himself signed up for this.
  • shinobi
    shinobi April 20 2021 12: 42
    +4
    Well, God forbid!
  • Yves762
    Yves762 April 20 2021 12: 45
    +11
    what
    If I understand correctly, the same ISS "had time to grow old" while the "Science" module "got" to it ... request
    So, by the way.
    1. slipped
      slipped April 20 2021 14: 34
      +7
      Quote: Yves762
      what
      If I understand correctly, the same ISS "had time to grow old" while the "Science" module "got" to it ... request
      So, by the way.


      The last module launched by our rocket, the Poisk module, was delivered by Russia to the ISS in 2009. After that the "Dawn" was delivered by shuttle.

      According to early plans, the ISS was supposed to be flooded in 2017. When, already actually assembled, with a delay of three years in 2013, Science discovered issues with the fuel system, the module was returned for revision to the manufacturer, who at that moment was experiencing problems with the production of Protons. Unfortunately, the equipment for modules based on the FGB TKS had already been disassembled by that time and the module had to be sent for storage.

      But then it turned out that they agreed - to fly the ISS until 2024. MLM was returned from storage, improved and now the module is almost ready for launch.

      The new ROSS modules are modules from another manufacturer.
  • Dikson
    Dikson April 20 2021 12: 52
    -7
    why then launch Science? Let it rot in the warehouse .. - until they build their own station .. Mr. Rogozin has already flown to the moon ... And he says nothing about reductions in Roscosmos? After all, the end of the epic with the supply of engines to the Americans is a minus of almost 30% of the profits from all incomes of the corporation controlled by our joker ...
    1. poquello
      poquello April 20 2021 13: 09
      -3
      Quote: Dikson
      why then launch Science?

      then what will then be unhooked and adjusted, attached to a new one. The cosmos is changing, and Russia is changing it.
      1. Denis Rumyanny
        Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 13: 28
        -5
        That buys from "partners" the data of meteorological satellites, then there is no one of its own and is not expected. Buys a lot of things from satellite monitoring. The Ministry of Reindeer Breeding buys satellite communications from "partners", but its own communications satellites are in short supply. True, the signal is encrypted in the hope that they will not be overheard. Savages, sir.
        But space is changing Russia. Curtain.
        1. poquello
          poquello April 20 2021 14: 05
          +2
          Quote: Denis Rumyanny
          That buys from "partners" the data of meteorological satellites, then there is no one of its own and is not expected. Buys a lot of things from satellite monitoring. The Ministry of Reindeer Breeding buys satellite communications from "partners", but its own communications satellites are in short supply. True, the signal is encrypted in the hope that they will not be overheard. Savages, sir.
          But space is changing Russia. Curtain.

          What nonsense, the United States is buying seats on the unions - savages?
        2. slipped
          slipped April 20 2021 15: 58
          +6
          Quote: Denis Rumyanny
          The Ministry of Reindeer Herding buys satellite communications from "partners"


          Will be using their own soon.

          1. Denis Rumyanny
            Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 16: 04
            -4
            A beautiful suitcase. From Chinese spare parts from Ali Express. Where are the satellites? Will they generally be, or will we buy them again from "partners"?
            1. slipped
              slipped April 20 2021 16: 27
              +4
              Quote: Denis Rumyanny
              A beautiful suitcase. From Chinese spare parts from Ali Express.


              Domestic components.

              Quote: Denis Rumyanny
              Where are the satellites? Will they generally be, or will we buy them again from "partners"?


              In orbit. lol Russia has several different constellations of communications satellites.

              By the way, only two more brand new geostationary satellites "Express-80" and "Express-103" were included in the work, as in the already final electrical and thermal vacuum tests, two more - "Express-AMU3" and "Express-AMU7" - were launched at them in the third quarter on Proton.

        3. Xscorpion
          Xscorpion April 22 2021 10: 46
          0
          Quote: Denis Rumyanny
          That buys from "partners" the data of meteorological satellites, then there is no one of its own and is not expected. Buys a lot of things from satellite monitoring. The Ministry of Reindeer Breeding buys satellite communications from "partners", but its own communications satellites are in short supply. True, the signal is encrypted in the hope that they will not be overheard. Savages, sir.
          But space is changing Russia. Curtain.

          And the Scandinavians, Canadians and Americans, strangely enough, use Russian GLONASS, since their GPS does not work in high latitudes. So what are we buying from there?
          1. Denis Rumyanny
            Denis Rumyanny April 22 2021 15: 42
            -1
            Glonass is used free of charge, and the reindeer herder buys communications and meteorological data for money.
    2. Nazar
      Nazar April 20 2021 13: 11
      -6
      Dikson - What do "abbreviations" mean? And what are they building a hyper-office for? On the contrary, you still have to recruit managers - well, do not stand the new skyscraper empty laughing
  • yfast
    yfast April 20 2021 13: 07
    0
    Quote: max702
    For it has shown that our evacuation systems really work even in the most critical situations, saving the lives of astronauts .. No one in the world can boast of such a guaranteed ..
    We straighten the steps with a sledgehammer, the Mask completely straightens them on the ground, so there are followers. Musk says that he has everything planned, apparently, our sledgehammer too. It is very good that Russian specialists did not manage to improve the Soviet rescue system.
  • Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov April 20 2021 13: 09
    -5
    Quote: For example
    God grant that the Russian station in Earth orbit would take place.

    As a base. As a foundation for space exploration.

    All these international affairs are a dead end.

    For there is no friendship between countries and never has been.
    What happened is a dead end. There will be no station. If only because there is nothing to run it from and from where. Yes, and she is not needed.
    1. Sarboz
      Sarboz April 20 2021 14: 12
      +3
      Quote: Igor Tikhomirov
      There will be no station. If only because there is nothing to run it on and from where. Yes, and she is not needed.

      Just a splendid example of Goebel's Banderlog agitation. No arguments whatsoever. Everything is always bad with you and don't even try, nothing will work out, and there is no need for it. The states decide everything for us and they will decide for you.
      Russia, unlike Banderstan, Pshekia and other Eastern European countries, sang along with NATO, the country is self-sufficient and sovereign. We set goals and achieve them despite active opposition from America and the collective West.
  • Pontiffsulyvahn
    Pontiffsulyvahn April 20 2021 13: 21
    -3
    Another piece of news from the future. And I would like to believe, but the vast majority of previous similar projects ended in nothing.
  • Alexander Terentyev
    Alexander Terentyev April 20 2021 13: 37
    +2
    I do not see all the supporters in this discussion ...
    Probably, they are thinking from which side to approach Rogozin and pinch him.
    I can inform you that not only a new station is being built, but also a new ship "Eagle"
  • leks
    leks April 20 2021 13: 48
    -1
    It is clear that they want their station is good.
    But then why in the near future they want to supplement the ISS with three more modules: Science, Berth in 2021 and in 2024 another scientific and energy module.
    Does it make sense then to supplement the ISS if they want to refuse, or are they doing Projection again?
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 20 2021 13: 48
    +3
    It's normal, our space is still ours and we need to develop it.
  • Bshkaus
    Bshkaus April 20 2021 13: 49
    0
    As I understand it, the module has been under construction for a long time and is being built for the ISS, but we will not send it to the ISS, but we will make our own station. One thing is not clear: where is the intelligible appearance of the domestic station, the requirements and tasks that will be solved at it? So far, this looks like only an emotional and thoughtless throwing. It will not be useful there, we will attach it in another place, but how to use it, we will think about it later.
    1. poquello
      poquello April 20 2021 14: 10
      0
      Quote: Bshkaus
      requirements and tasks that will be solved on it?

      "for what purpose are you interested?"
      will be high-orbit with a view of the Arctic
      1. slipped
        slipped April 20 2021 15: 17
        +7
        Quote: poquello
        will be high-orbit with a view of the Arctic


        High latitude.

        1. Denis Rumyanny
          Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 16: 18
          -2
          The station looks like a new Salyut 8.
          The 1996 module "Science" will be very useful.
          1. slipped
            slipped April 20 2021 16: 32
            +4
            Quote: Denis Rumyanny
            The station looks like a new Salyut 8.
            The 1996 module "Science" will be very useful.


            Where do you see the Science module here on the diagram? laughing The station is not like any "Salyut-8" .... the name of some sort of thought up the right word ....

            DOS-9 in the plans looked like this:



            And it was assembled from modules of a different design. A similar truss was tested on the ISS and it turned out that it was not optimal. The Americans are now forced to supplement such batteries.
            1. Denis Rumyanny
              Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 16: 54
              -4
              The world is not drawn in any way. Grown up Salute. And if they still look out over the Arctic and Atlantic through binoculars Aviki and Sechin's gas carriers. Well, specifically Salute 8.
              1. slipped
                slipped April 20 2021 17: 39
                +5
                Quote: Denis Rumyanny
                The world is not drawn in any way. Grown up Salute.


                Not. ROSS has larger dimensions than Mir. The modules themselves are larger, the internal pressurized volume is on average 20 cubic meters larger than that of the FGB. This can be seen in the photo above. Well, the functionality is shirsh - there will be a whole slipway on ROSS.



                Quote: Denis Rumyanny
                And if they still look out over the Arctic and Atlantic through binoculars Aviki and Sechin's gas carriers. Well, specifically Salute 8.


                "Look through binoculars" ... what village do you live in? lol

                It is much more convenient to launch interorbital tugs to the Moon from a high-latitude station.
                1. Denis Rumyanny
                  Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 18: 12
                  -7
                  I am from the village of Russia. Our cosmonauts chase grandmothers, and those in orbit shoot Earth and Ocean objects on Canon. Until now, on command from the center.
                  Well, and for interorbital tugs, they will soon beat in the face. They used to laugh, now it's not funny. But the word is beautiful, I admit it.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped April 20 2021 20: 54
                    +5
                    Quote: Denis Rumyanny
                    in orbit, Earth and Ocean objects are being photographed on Canon. Until now, on command from the center.


                    Those. use modern digital remote sensing equipment, right? laughing By the way, most of the shooting is carried out in automatic mode.



                    Quote: Denis Rumyanny
                    Well, and for interorbital tugs, they will soon beat in the face.


                    It’s strange somehow, "Frigate" won perfectly for more than 20 years delivering loads in various orbits, while even changing the inclination. And you "beat the muzzle." laughing

                    1. Denis Rumyanny
                      Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 21: 27
                      -3
                      About Canon with good optics, you can say "modern digital equipment" Yes, in the hands of a sober astronaut .... Yes, on a tip from the center ...
                      The frigate, of course, often carries commercial cargo for foreign currency. But you are talking about tugs to the Moon ... After the patched holes in our segment of the ISS, tugs to the Moon sounds strange. Agree.
                      1. slipped
                        slipped April 20 2021 21: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Denis Rumyanny
                        About Canon with good optics, you can say "modern digital equipment"


                        And if you also install it on the correct steadicam, generally a song. laughing

                        Quote: Denis Rumyanny
                        The frigate, of course, often carries commercial cargo for foreign currency.


                        "Fregat" carries various cargoes. This year, he brought Arktika-M and domestic small spacecraft into a cluster launch. But more often than not, it is a commercial cargo that just requires a divorce in different orbits - the customers of the spacecraft are different, with their own Wishlist.

                        Quote: Denis Rumyanny
                        But you mean tugs to the moon ...


                        For example, a scenario such as the delivery of a bus from empty Frigates-L to the slipway in one launch of Soyuz-2 is possible, refuel them with fuel from Progress, install the previously delivered payload and send it to the Moon.

                        Quote: Denis Rumyanny
                        After patched holes in our segment of the ISS, tugs to the moon sounds strange. Agree.


                        I disagree. SM "Zvezda" has expired a warranty period of active existence four years ago and it has been working outside for five years and will continue to require more and more repairs. That is why a new station is needed.
                      2. Denis Rumyanny
                        Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 22: 15
                        -1
                        The last and main question.
                        What for all this to us in one ... uh-uh ... face.
                        Technically, we will do it, with theft, delayed deadlines, pensions of 75 years or without them at all. We will sell Siberia to the Chinese, the Kuriles to the Japanese, and MuskvAbad to the Uzbeks. And all for the sake of putting a flag in the lunar soil 60 years after the astronauts?
                      3. slipped
                        slipped April 20 2021 22: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Denis Rumyanny
                        The last and main question.
                        What for all this to us in one ... uh-uh ... face.


                        If you discard all your subsequent verbal ... uh ... husk laughing, then this is all a direct further development of the new technological order of our country.
                      4. Denis Rumyanny
                        Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 23: 00
                        -1
                        Straight Chubais stepped off the screen of the putilizor and so kindly chided the unreasonable peasants. Say, the hole in the toilet is not modern, another thing with a Chinese smartphone and a base on the moon.
                        Well, that your opinion and I respect it, though I do not agree.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 20 2021 16: 39
      0
      The Science module seems to have been assembled in 2009 - and in 1996 it was a bare body.
      1. slipped
        slipped April 20 2021 18: 03
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        The Science module seems to have been assembled in 2009 - and in 1996 it was a bare body.


        Not. In 2009, they began to redesign the FGB-2 hull. Collected in 2013. Without retrofitting.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 April 20 2021 13: 59
    -6
    Russia has already begun construction of the first module for the domestic space station.


    The science??)
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 20 2021 13: 59
    +6
    At least 2 good news - your own station and enough to be friends with the States.
  • 501Legion
    501Legion April 20 2021 15: 47
    +1
    remembered the station MIR almost burst into tears. such a colossus was flooded
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 20 2021 16: 41
      -1
      It was flooded because it was emergency, like the current ISS, everything flowed, cracked, fell apart and even burned. And in 1997 her ship Progress rammed.
      1. slipped
        slipped April 20 2021 18: 20
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        It was flooded because it was emergency, like the current ISS, everything flowed, cracked, fell apart and even burned. And in 1997 her ship Progress rammed.


        Not this way. The base unit of the Mir station, module 17KS No. 12701 (SM "Zvezda" is 17KSM No. 12702), three times exceeded its warranty period of five years, because it took a very long time to make retrofitting modules, and then the USSR collapsed and money the station was gone. Only the forerunner of the ISS, the project with the unofficial name Mir-1,5, allowed keeping the station in orbit for some time.

        Nothing there "cracked and fell apart", but a low-quality oxygen cartridge burned there, and then once, there was more smoke than fire. But the impact of Progress became quite sensitive, but for the military, many projects had to be stopped on the Spectrum module.

        "Mir" was flooded, because Russia in the 90s did not have the money to create a replacement for the 17KS. And the Americans gave money only to the future ISS, which was then pathetically called "Alpha". Even a relatively new retrofitting module "Priroda" was not allowed to be transferred from "Mir" there, well, they did not want to remember about "Mir", since they had "Alpha"! They even went for a trick .... forced to display "Dawn" in a different mood, which belonged to them.
  • eklmn
    eklmn April 20 2021 16: 31
    -1
    “Thus, Rogozin confirmed Russia's intention to build its own orbital station”
    Let's translate his desire from Russian into Russian.
    "The name of the station is ROSS, that is, the Russian orbital service station. But this name deprives the future station of its potential international status: Indians and Chinese cannot be invited to such construction. It is not for nothing that all American international projects (and purely national ones too) derive their names from ideological safe ancient mythology.
    It is stated that ROSS is a new generation station. What does “service station” mean? It is assumed that astronauts will visit it from time to time, but more often it will circle above the Earth in an autonomous mode, in fact, performing the functions of an artificial satellite of the Earth familiar to everyone. It is clear that all this is not from a rich life.
    Based on the experience of spending on the Russian segment of the ISS, the new station will cost under 1 trillion rubles. And this is construction alone, without partners.
    But do not forget about Rogozin's other plans:
    super-heavy rocket "Yenisei" for flights to the Moon and Mars - from a trillion rubles; the Sphere project, a multifunctional constellation of hundreds of satellites - one and a half trillion; transport and energy module "Nuclon" with a megawatt-class nuclear reactor for delivering payloads to high orbits, to the Moon and Mars - no less than a trillion, if you do everything seriously.
    Of all the grandiose plans, only the transport and energy module is a real breakthrough in science and technology, a project of tomorrow, which others do not yet have (the already allocated 4 billion may not even be enough for documentation). And the super-heavy rocket, the Sphere satellites, and the ROSS station are a repetition of the technologies mastered in the USSR. Test cosmonaut Sergei Zhukov described the ROSS project in its current form as “new old developments of RSC Energia”. The station is declared as a high-latitude station, constantly surveying the whole of Russia and the Arctic. Nobody clearly said - why? As our interlocutor summed up: "I'm afraid this is a proposal of a single enterprise in the absence of a well-thought-out national strategy."

    For the curious:
    https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2021/04/19/fort-ross-na-orbite
    1. slipped
      slipped April 20 2021 17: 42
      +4
      Quote: eklmn
      For the curious:
      https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2021/04/19/fort-ross-na-orbite


      Well, yes, novayagazeta is lying. That says it all. lol
  • xorek
    xorek April 20 2021 17: 15
    +2
    I'm even afraid to write something here, otherwise the masqueraders will trample the crowd and you won't have time to utter a word laughing ..I am quiet, well done!
  • fa2998
    fa2998 April 20 2021 17: 48
    -3
    Quote: Herrr
    In July, it is "Nauka" that will fly to the ISS.

    Well, why? If the ISS is a "divorce" and build our own. what Yes, and we are building, - drop by drop! I would advise respected Rogozin to report on an already completed project. He already has a lot of projects in his "work". The moon, Mars, nuclear tugs, a bunch of launch vehicles, the Vostochny cosmodrome (the list can be supplemented). The "federation" has been under construction for years. Give another station, no priorities, all at once (and even without cooperation). Either half of the RF budget will be put on this, year after year. Or there will be swarming, for a decade. hi
    1. slipped
      slipped April 20 2021 18: 39
      +5
      Quote: fa2998
      He already has a bunch of projects in his "work".


      The word is work, you can write without quotes. laughing

      Quote: fa2998
      Луна




      Quote: fa2998
      Mars




      Quote: fa2998
      nuclear tugs




      Quote: fa2998
      a bunch of launch vehicles




      Quote: fa2998
      Cosmodrome "Vostochny"




      Quote: fa2998
      (the list can be supplemented)


      Really laughing

      Quote: fa2998
      CC "Federation" has been under construction for years.


      Faster only in cats. laughing

      Quote: fa2998
      Or there will be swarming, for a decade. hi


      So here the FKP is designed for just a ten-year period. lol We are doing the first five-year plan, and we are launching the second. What is not clear to you? laughing
      1. Denis Rumyanny
        Denis Rumyanny April 20 2021 22: 01
        -2
        Some kind of garbage Mars, the Moon ...
        Here in Gelendzhik, an unknown life with mold, oysters and even vineyards was discovered.
  • Antidote
    Antidote April 20 2021 18: 36
    0

    The best would be a space station. Almost like Babylon 5, it will be possible to conduct intergalactic negotiations on it. In future.
  • orlandoche
    orlandoche April 20 2021 22: 26
    -1
    Rogozin has said so much over the past few years that it’s hard to believe. And even then, I believe it because I want to believe it ...
    1. slipped
      slipped April 20 2021 22: 40
      +1
      Quote: orlandoche
      that's hard to believe.


      And even to my eyes ... laughing No, I really get sick here from the comments.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx April 21 2021 00: 11
    -1
    When I read about orbital stations, I always remember the revelations of those who have been there, about smells and other everyday nuances. Well, that is I understand that now space programs are perceived as a routine, but anyway, living for several months in an iron barrel that stinks through sweat and other secretions is already a feat. And most likely, this will continue for quite a long time, until technologies for the construction of sufficiently large orbital objects appear.

    Overall, the news is positive. And the decision itself, about the cosmic delimitation, is more than logical.
  • Keeper
    Keeper April 21 2021 08: 13
    0
    Have you all watched the video? What do you think, what is the shooting date?
    1. slipped
      slipped April 21 2021 11: 40
      +1
      Quote: Keeper
      Have you all watched the video? What do you think, what is the shooting date?


      Judging by the absence of a dynamic layout in place, it stretches at the time of shooting at TsNIIMash, i.e. the year before last. Maybe.

      The latest pictures of the NEM that were on the network are:



  • Burdock
    Burdock April 21 2021 09: 02
    0
    "The station will be autonomous, built with an open architecture and an unlimited service life." - and where has no analogue in the world? And how is it with an unlimited service life, if the same Russian segment of the ISS is full of holes and needs to be preserved? The idea is good and correct, but only, it is not the USSR in the yard, and the steering wheels of the industry are not technicians from space, but strong managers, business executives and fat cheeks. How to build at the eleventh year, the first crew, waking up to consist of a command of combat, secret dachshunds, they do not drown in water, and by 2025 they will be able to live without air at all.