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"It began even before Gorbachev came to power": KGB veteran talks about the processes of the collapse of the USSR

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"It began even before Gorbachev came to power": KGB veteran talks about the processes of the collapse of the USSR

This year marks exactly 30 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Hundreds of articles, books have been written about the causes and consequences of that event, dozens of documentaries and pseudo-documentaries have been shot. At the same time, there are no fewer questions.


For any adequate person, it remains a mystery how it happened that a superpower with one of the most powerful armies in the world, with the State Security Committee, which was considered an all-powerful special service, not only took the path of collapse, but really plunged into oblivion. How did it happen that the representatives of the high command, who took the oath to serve the Fatherland, at least turned a blind eye to the destructive processes that began in the country before 1991 and which were acquiring an avalanche-like character.

There are even more questions when it comes to discussing the issue of the population's reaction. For the overwhelming majority of Soviet citizens, the collapse of the USSR became a tub of cold water. People came to the referendum, casting their votes for the preservation of the unity of the Motherland. But the top management decided everything for themselves long ago, having decided on the political future.

The Day channel has a story about this release, the central figure of which is a veteran of the Soviet and Russian special services, a man who served in the KGB and the FSB - retired colonel Alexander Platonov.

Alexander Platonov:

We, the employees of the state security bodies at Lubyanka, did not just observe the disintegration processes. We took measures to prevent this from happening.

According to Platonov, the process of collapse began even before Gorbachev came to power.

The guest of the broadcast talks about the events of the 1980s, including the strange behavior of Mikhail Gorbachev during his business trip to Canada.

The plot tells about the role of the CIA in the operation and processes for the collapse of the Soviet Union:

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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 20 2021 20: 25
    +5
    "It began even before Gorbachev came to power": KGB veteran talks about the processes of the collapse of the USSR
    To think that the collapse began with Gorbachev can only fool fool ... Khrushchev laid the foundation for the possibility, while Andropov could have any structure, mechanisms of collapse, but it was inevitable. request
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 20 2021 20: 47
      +32
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      collapse mechanisms could be any, but it was inevitable.

      There was simply no one who would take the ice ax in his hands. Then we would have seen - is it inevitable or not.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 April 20 2021 22: 16
        +38
        The process of collapse began when they officially announced that everyone was equal, and they themselves created special stores, in which they received any deficit that was inaccessible to the rest of the people.
        And if at first this was done in order to prevent the employees of the People's Commissariat from starving to death, then later it turned them boyars, and the rest of the people became cattle for them.
        Under Stalin, they burned out rot, but he only put those who had to be hanged. And after his death, all this rot bloomed. Stalin laid a strong foundation - it rotted for thirty years before it collapsed.
        Even when I went to the army in 1988, I saw that the soldiers were fed peas, and fried potatoes with chicken in the officers' cafeteria. So much for equality with the army brotherhood.
        Everything has rotted away. Those who called themselves communists, in fact, only wanted to fill their own pockets. Not all, of course. There were real communists below, but they had no chance to break through to the top.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 April 20 2021 23: 24
          +8
          The process began under Khrushchev, when the dictatorship of the proletariat was abolished and capitalist elements that were completely alien to it began to be actively introduced into the socialist economy. But the Stalinist system turned out to be so powerful that it took 30 years of efforts by those who were reborn and betrayed by the leaders to finally finish it off.
          1. Genry
            Genry April 21 2021 00: 10
            +19
            Quote: paul3390
            The process began under Khrushchev, when the dictatorship of the proletariat was abolished

            Khrushchev abolished not the dictatorship ... but the control of the Ministry of Internal Affairs over the party functionaries who, under Stalin, were periodically cleansed (17th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks - Congress of the Executed).
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 April 21 2021 00: 19
              +5
              Not. The abolition of the dictatorship of the proletariat meant, according to Khrushchev, that in the USSR type classes had already been destroyed. And since there are no bourgeois elements, then there is nothing to fight with. So they stopped fighting with them. Lieberman's reforms also created an economic basis for the revival of the bourgeoisie.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana April 21 2021 07: 45
                +6
                Most valuable informational material!
                The book by the author of A.M. Platonov, the head of the 1st department of the Anti-Terrorism Directorate of the FSB of Russia, will definitely acquire:
                Platonov A.M. Secret war against the USSR and Russia. Head of the 1st Department for Combating Terrorism of the UBT of the FSB of the Russian Federation. - Publishing house "Knmzhny mir", 2016, 752 p.

                For the first time, the reader can learn from an eyewitness how the struggle for the preservation of the USSR was going on, which of the high-ranking inhabitants of the Kremlin in the 1990s had a hand in the political and economic occupation of Russia by the West, who and how unleashed the Chechen war, shot the Russian Parliament in October 1993 , introduced Berezovsky to the "family". And why the almighty organization, designed to protect the Russian state, could not prevent this, but saved the country from further collapse.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid April 21 2021 08: 42
                  +2
                  Valuable informational material

                  Now is the time when new data on the destruction of the USSR appear. At the same time, liars and traitors become active. The history of our country is being rewritten, myths are being created about the 90s, about those who fought for "democratic change"
              2. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy April 21 2021 14: 34
                0
                Quote: paul3390
                The abolition of the dictatorship of the proletariat meant, according to Khrushchev, that in the USSR type classes had already been destroyed.

                Classes were destroyed, even under Stalin. Read the Stalinist Constitution.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 April 21 2021 14: 36
                  -1
                  No.
                  According to article 9, "along with the socialist system of economy, which is the dominant form of economy in the USSR, small private farming of sole peasants and handicraftsmen is allowed by law, based on personal labor and excluding the exploitation of other people's labor."

                  And this, de facto, is the petty bourgeoisie. The truth is, well, very small.
              3. zenion
                zenion April 24 2021 19: 13
                0
                Poor Tagged One! He was told that the drowning man needs to throw a life preserver. And this oglamon dropped anchor. Like - finished off, so that they would not suffer. I saw how products were taken out from bases and warehouses and dumped into ravines. It was during the time of Marked and Andropov that I was out of business here. But it was necessary to stick someone in there for the beauty of the list, Andropov approached when he said that the country should be ruled by the people. He died immediately.
          2. 16329
            16329 April 21 2021 00: 29
            -4
            The Stalinist system was very effective only for the specific historical conditions of the post-revolutionary limited restoration and only taking into account the personality of Stalin himself
            Its main flaw is the lack of the possibility of the continuity of power and its adaptation to the conditions of the formation of a consumer society.
            The "Marxists-Leninists" were a little tired of their profound analyzes in the spirit of the teachers of the Department of Scientific Communism of the 80s of the last century
            In general, the refusal of Stalin and his associates from the world revolution in favor of a pseudo-empire put an end to the first attempt of the left to carry out a global revolution 1.0
            Now we see an attempt 2.0, the leftists came from the "rear"
            1. bayard
              bayard April 21 2021 03: 31
              +11
              Quote: 16329
              In general, the refusal of Stalin and his associates from the world revolution in favor of a pseudo-empire put an end to the first attempt of the left to carry out a global revolution 1.0

              Yes, you are my friend, Trotskyist.
              The World Revolution rave .... this is for you to Nancy Pelosi - Trotsky's granddaughter. That still a permanent revolutionary ...
              What you wrote about:
              Quote: 16329
              The "Marxists-Leninists" were a little tired of their profound analyzes in the spirit of the teachers of the Department of Scientific Communism of the 80s of the last century

              This was the work of the Trotskyists, moreover, at the final stage of the destruction of the USSR.
              Since the time of Khrushchev, when a living thought in the ideology of the development of society was suppressed, a bogeyman began to be promoted ... rather a clumsy blank in the form of that very "Marxism-Leninism", but from this blank / blank the whole harmonious and living ideology of Stalin was ripped off - the construction of a harmonious society free people. Socially oriented and socially responsible. Despite the fact that the very theory of socialism (developed socialism) had not yet been fully formalized and developed, the war and the restoration after it prevented. And it is precisely to this - the theory of a developed socialist society that Stalin's last works were devoted.
              Read them.
              This is useful .
              But the Chinese did not shy away from the Stalinist line, and unlike the USSR (which did not become just because of the rejection of this line), they implemented Stalin's economic and social ideas. And how successful - the whole world now sees ... marveling at the "Chinese miracle".
              All the successes in the economic and social development of the USSR owe exactly to Stalin.
              And it was a very instructive and revealing experience.
              So if we want to live ... and even just to survive ... "There is a sample made" (as the Terrible Tsar Ivan Vasilyevich wrote in his will).
          3. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 21 2021 09: 01
            0
            ... abolished the dictatorship of the proletariat ...
            It was at the 22nd Congress of the CPSU. In fact, the party was renamed even earlier, Khrushchev slandered Stalin even earlier.
        2. Russian jacket
          Russian jacket April 21 2021 04: 19
          +3
          And there is. The last six months of his service in the border troops he was at the so-called "point." So during the exercises, the officers occupied a small house for their separate dining room. And they cooked separately from the soldiers. It was fun to watch how these figures talked about the military brotherhood, demanded discipline, and then drunken crawled out of their cafeteria ... And this was in the border troops. For the sake of justice, at the outpost, where he was before, the commander ate at the same table with his subordinates. And about nepotism .... The normal state was in the management of the border troops in Vladivostok. When dad is a colonel, head of a department. The son of a lieutenant in the same department .... And how was it then that the same captain from the outpost to make a career? That's how it rotted ... hi
        3. syndicalist
          syndicalist April 21 2021 06: 09
          +10
          Quote: Shurik70
          Those who called themselves communists, in fact, only wanted to fill their own pockets.

          Exactly. But the author is disingenuous. The KGB-Schnicks were one of the main initiators of the collapse of the Soviet system. It is not for nothing that they are the main beneficiaries of the current system today. Almost all the leading positions in the country are occupied by people from the "office". They also own the key objects of the economy.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 21 2021 11: 45
            +2
            Quite right. The KGB officers realized that economic collapse was inevitable and decided to benefit from this for their caste.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 21 2021 15: 50
            0
            The most important source of the collapse of the USSR was the planned distribution economy operating on five-year plans.
        4. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 April 21 2021 09: 55
          +1
          Shurik, special distributors were created under Lenin, expanded under Stalin. Under him, not only the top management used them, but also everyone who belonged to the NKVD, as well as heads of enterprises.
          Under Khrushchev and Brezhnev, they changed.
          There was only a call.
          The collapse of the country began long ago, and a clear border cannot be drawn here.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal April 21 2021 13: 04
            -4
            It was inevitable from the start.
            And the new elite wanted buns that were inaccessible to most citizens, and only for the sake of the ideology, which said that private trade was taboo (for these same citizens it is good).
            Vicious circle..
        5. meandr51
          meandr51 April 22 2021 20: 27
          +1
          As if under Stalin there were no special distributors ... No one has ever experienced the illusion of "equality" or expected it from the authorities. It simply does not exist anywhere and never. So that's not the point at all. The problem was the attitude of the authorities to the people. As soon as it crossed a certain line, the people supported the "Western" opposition. Now the "Western" opposition and the West itself are deprived of the mysterious, radiant and heroic aura. So it became more difficult for the Russian demolition workers to work with the people. But it worked with the Ukrainians.
        6. Russian News
          Russian News April 25 2021 13: 01
          0
          the collapse began with the mythology of "special stores"
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy April 21 2021 11: 11
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        There was simply no one who would take the ice ax in his hands. Then we would have seen - is it inevitable or not.

        An ice ax is good. But the United States would approve and fit someone else to Yakovlev ...
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 20 2021 20: 54
      -2
      I am immensely glad that at the time of that shameful act I was not an adult (I was 17 years old) and now I do not need to try to make excuses to my descendants.
      1. Gato
        Gato April 20 2021 21: 07
        +17
        I am immensely glad that at the time of that shameful act I was not an adult

        And I was an adult, moreover, I could easily open a gun, take a service PM and go to Moscow with the aim of assassinating Gorbachev. How far do you think I would have gone and how would this event have ended? Colleagues of this veteran and would twist my flippers.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 21 2021 13: 06
          -8
          Soviet upbringing (learned helplessness before the authorities) plus fear of the political police was not allowed.
          1. Gato
            Gato April 21 2021 14: 55
            +4
            not allowed.

            As I understand it, you are writing from the trenches of the war for democracy with the blood of a murdered fighter? laughing
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal April 26 2021 09: 58
              0
              I mean, no one went anywhere.
              I didn't even go to the counter-demonstration, it was elementary.
              Most, accustomed to listening to TV and going to demonstrations organized and authorized by the authorities, sat at home and watched TV / listened to the radio / went about their business.
              And after all, many of them really wanted a change.
              A more active minority, students, "cooperatives" were stopped by the Emergency Committee. The same Alpha, who refused to arrest Yeltsin in 1991.
      2. Altona
        Altona April 24 2021 14: 37
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I am immensely glad that at the time of that shameful act I was not an adult (I was 17 years old) and now I do not need to try to make excuses to my descendants.

        ------------------------------------------
        Would you sign the Malta treaties and the Belovezhskaya Agreement if you were 18 years old? You don't have to make excuses anyway. The state was not defended primarily by those who were supposed to defend it - the KGB, the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the OBKhSS, the Politburo and other authorities. The state simply overstrained from mediocre politics. A surplus army and military-industrial complex to the detriment of the living conditions of citizens, subsidies to "young states building socialism", overfeeding of the Baltic and Transcaucasian outskirts to the detriment of the Central zone. However, these sores are still bleeding, delighting our small-town chauvinists.
    3. Semyonich from the Urals
      Semyonich from the Urals April 22 2021 07: 19
      -2
      Start with Lenin, what really
    4. Basarev
      Basarev April 24 2021 09: 27
      -2
      The USSR was doomed from the very beginning. Ever since the days when the Leninists hitherto cut a monolithic state into a bunch of almost sovereign kingdoms, where unity was remembered only when a freebie was needed. Russian money, Russian resources, Russian technologies, Russian slaves ... They were extremely widely used in the union republics and national autonomies within the RSFSR without any return. One-way pump. That is, both economically and politically, the collapse of the USSR was inevitable from the very beginning.
      1. Bobrovsky
        Bobrovsky April 26 2021 20: 17
        +1
        In more detail, who exactly cut. As soon as the central government weakened in February 1917, all sorts of republics jumped out like a devil out of a box. The Bolsheviks were just putting on their shoes, and that already happened. Then try, drive these republics into the region.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev April 26 2021 20: 32
          0
          Indeed. The national policy began at 22, just as the Civil Policy ended and the Bolsheviks established themselves in power. However, there were many steps even earlier. The Peace of Brest-Litovsk, the independence of Poland and Finland - were just trial balloons.
          1. vlad106
            vlad106 6 May 2021 11: 17
            +1
            After the revolution, it began - a mess, GW, terror ...
            Critters and hyenas entered power even then
  2. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis April 20 2021 20: 26
    +6
    Question? Where were the KGB services ..? Catching flies !? They knew everything, saw everything, and what?
    1. Gato
      Gato April 20 2021 21: 35
      +13
      Where were the KGB services ..? We caught flies !?

      The KGB, like any special service, is just an instrument in the hands of the authorities. He, of course, can accidentally fall on his leg or grab a finger - but no more. It is only in spy series that the secret services stir up something on their own, in real life, without an order from above, they will not even move their tail. So the guilty ones should be looked for not in the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs or in the army - but in the highest echelons.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis April 20 2021 22: 11
        +11
        Quote: Gato
        So the guilty ones should be looked for not in the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs or in the army - but in the highest echelons.

        It doesn't matter what was wrong in this story. The powerful Ministry of Internal Affairs, KGB, SA, but could not really make a coup in August 1991 .. I remember on that day, under all the steam, from the Sevastopol Bay six Dzheyrans were carried out towards the Caucasus, followed by other ships ... messengers were rushing through the streets - the guides, the officers were running with anxious suitcases ... The city quieted down .. On TV "Swan Lake" ... It's about the resignation of power by Gorbachev .. In the morning we congratulated each other ... Everything will now be in order .. And at this time the KGB in Moscow could not take Yeltsin and other aktyvists by the gills ... A strange coup .. But the head of the KGB supported him !!!
        1. Gato
          Gato April 20 2021 22: 41
          +7
          I also remember very well the evening of that day, my wife and I were returning by train from Vinnitsa to Kiev - and in front of Kiev the roads are packed with columns of armored vehicles. And nothing, zilch. In the comment below, I already wrote about the negative selection of the party nomenklatura - they could not even stir up the palace coup. And one more thing: now everyone is surprised - how they could so dirtied the brains of the population of Ukraine. And I'm not surprised, I remember the mood in the late 80s. A very large part of the coup would not support. In short, it's good to be smart in hindsight, and then a lot was not at all obvious. recourse
          1. andreykolesov123
            andreykolesov123 April 25 2021 18: 11
            0
            Quote: Gato
            And I'm not surprised, I remember the mood in the late 80s. A very large part of the coup would not support.

            Oh, come on. Rukh worked hard and had massive support from the population. And Rukh is just 80s Bandera, they were still embarrassed to call themselves openly.
            1. Gato
              Gato April 25 2021 18: 35
              0
              Well, what is the contradiction? Rukhovtsy would support the Emergency Committee? belay
              1. andreykolesov123
                andreykolesov123 April 25 2021 18: 47
                +1
                Quote: Gato
                Well, what is the contradiction? Rukhovtsy would support the Emergency Committee? belay

                I apologize. I read your phrase exactly the opposite. Didn't notice "not".
        2. Russian jacket
          Russian jacket April 21 2021 04: 21
          +6
          Bakatin turned out to be that bitch. I handed over to the amers all the listening equipment in the new embassy that was built for the mattress mats ...
      2. Altona
        Altona April 24 2021 14: 40
        0
        Quote: Gato
        So the guilty ones should be looked for not in the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs or in the army - but in the highest echelons.

        ----------------------------------------
        If Yazov did not chew snot, but took an example from Zhukov, who at one time guaranteed Khrushchev power support, then everything could be different.
        1. victor50
          victor50 April 25 2021 01: 23
          0
          Quote: Altona
          If Yazov did not chew snot, but took an example from Zhukov, who guaranteed

          For this, one had to be sure that the army would support its commander. And there, as in all the people ...
      3. Bobrovsky
        Bobrovsky April 26 2021 20: 18
        0
        Quite right. All the special services and the army are just guard dogs in the owner's yard. The owner will say - face, they will tear, say fu and immediately into the kennel.
    2. boriz
      boriz April 20 2021 22: 36
      +4
      Read "Red Spring" by Kurginyan. He describes in great detail and clearly how the two departments of the KGB specifically dealt with the collapse. True, then, already with the change of US President Bush to Clinton, one department threw and wiped out the other from the case. But the process was already started.
      And the very beginning of the process was laid by Khrushchev. When the rest of the elite realized what they had gotten themselves into, that the West had thrown them, Khrushchev managed to do so much that it was already impossible to stop the collapse. Yes, and there is no one, the real people of the case were pushed aside from the first roles and were led by former commissars. Irresponsible talkers, whose real ceiling is the secretary of the regional committee, is not even the first. So they sailed.
    3. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin April 20 2021 23: 04
      +4
      Quote: 30 vis
      Question? Where were the KGB services ..? Catching flies !? They knew everything, saw everything, and what?


      As in the army there was a commander and also a commissar, the second was in control of the first.
      The work of the KGB was supervised by the party control.
      From Khrushchev, the KGB was forbidden to take part nomenclature into the development.

      Therefore, the KGB could do something against the one who persecutes anti-Soviet jokes, but could do nothing against the party bosses.

      And the fish, as they say, rots from the head.
      1. Altona
        Altona April 24 2021 14: 42
        0
        Quote: Pandiurin
        Therefore, the KGB could do something against the one who persecutes anti-Soviet jokes, but could do nothing against the party bosses.

        -----------------------------
        But then, for some reason, he very quickly became part of the democratic ranks, seizing his hands on ports, refineries, banks and warehouses.
      2. Bobrovsky
        Bobrovsky April 26 2021 20: 20
        0
        What's the nomenclature? Even the secretary of the primary party organization could not be touched.
    4. Nazar
      Nazar April 21 2021 02: 25
      +5
      30 Vis - What this "veteran" is chirping now is one thing, but what the KGB was actually doing at that time is completely "different." It was the KGB that in many ways initiated the collapse of the country, can't you believe it? And to see who won - huh? What structure is the current president from, can you tell me? Well, all sorts of other Chemezovs and others like them hi
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 21 2021 03: 34
      +5
      Quote: 30 vis
      Question? Where were the KGB services ..? Catching flies !? They knew everything, saw everything, and what?

      Answer:
      Alexander Platonov:
      We, the employees of the state security bodies at Lubyanka, did not just observe the disintegration processes. We took measures to prevent this from happening.

      Even then, the KGB officers of the late USSR were already engaged not so much in preserving the USSR as in internal squabbles and the search for their future place in life. The period from 1982 to the very end was precisely the same ACTIVE period when the collapse of the USSR was being prepared. It was then that the Baltic countries raised their heads. It was then that separatism began to emerge in the Caucasus. Someone else will object to the fact that the LDPR was created under the patronage of the KGB? And I heard this from an employee immediately after the appearance of Zhirinovsky - a simple charismatic guy who dreamed of washing his boots in the Indian Ocean.
      It may seem strange, but in the EBNov period and after, former committee members climbed out into the power and economic structures. In this light, a very odious figure:

      Where did this figure come from? How did he end up in that place and in the position that is written in Wiki? And, the funny thing is, no one talks about this person in public ...
      We are all the protagonists of a vile spectacle. Mostly as extras, depicting noise behind the scene.
      The crowd scene in the theater, depicting the noise of the conversation, says the phrase:
      "What to say when there is nothing to say."
      This phrase is repeated over and over again to create the background of the talking crowd of people.
      Perhaps you can say other phrases, but this is a classic.
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist April 21 2021 06: 15
        -1
        Even this noise behind the stage is getting quieter every day.
    6. 3danimal
      3danimal April 21 2021 13: 08
      -1
      Citizens were silent, were inert and amorphous (they were brought up that way), and all sorts of services were trained to obey.
      1. victor50
        victor50 April 25 2021 01: 32
        0
        Quote: 3danimal
        Citizens were silent, were inert and amorphous (they were brought up that way), and all sorts of services were trained to obey

        Where does this opinion come from? Is this nonsense being taught in schools now? The USSR at the end of the 80s was seething, as the current active ones never dreamed of. And the services are not so simple. The Ministry of Internal Affairs did not support the putsch in general. Employees, in any case, I know how in one of the departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of one rather large city of the so-called. On August 19, the KGB curators were asked to politely not campaign for the putsch and to disappear in order to avoid being impolite.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 26 2021 10: 31
          0
          The USSR at the end of the 80s was seething, as the current active

          I do not argue, but the supporters of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union were NOT active.
          The Ministry of Internal Affairs did not support the putsch in general.

          Because the leadership of the KGB took part in the coup and it was generally illegal. It is logical.
  3. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 April 20 2021 20: 26
    +8
    The process of negative selection of the top leadership began immediately after Stalin's death !!! and it was enshrined not only by the lack of jurisdiction, but in principle by the official prohibition of conducting operational-search work in relation to the party nomenclature. The consequences are obvious!
    1. Gato
      Gato April 20 2021 21: 51
      +8
      The process of negative selection of the top leadership began immediately after Stalin's death !!! and it was enshrined not only by the lack of jurisdiction, but in principle by the official prohibition of conducting operational-search work in relation to the party nomenclature.

      That's it. I constantly mention this prohibition in all discussions on the topic of the KGB. As for the selection of personnel, everyone who has found the Komsomol remember how the asset was formed - not the most intelligent and honest ones took notice, but those who knew how to smoothly and for a long time tryndet without deviating from the party line. Plus personal loyalty. They then further and moved along the party line right up to the very top. How these "Komsomol members" showed themselves in the 90s, probably many remember.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 20 2021 23: 02
        +1
        Quote: Gato
        How these "Komsomol members" showed themselves in the 90s, probably many remember.

        Well, these "Komsomol members" are still in charge of us.
        1. Gato
          Gato April 20 2021 23: 21
          -1
          we are now led

          Well I do not know. In my opinion, "Komsomol members" in general are not able to lead anything without catastrophic consequences, as well as their modern reincarnation - the Soros.
          And VVP, it seems, came from the KGB, there was selection according to slightly different principles, Lavrov was from hereditary diplomats, and you yourself know about the rest.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 21 2021 00: 03
            0
            Quote: Gato
            And VVP, it seems, came from the KGB, there was selection according to slightly different principles, Lavrov was from hereditary diplomats, and you yourself know about the rest.

            Or maybe they weren't Komsomol members?
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis April 21 2021 16: 31
            -3
            Quote: Gato
            And VVP seems to come from the KGB
            Isn't it from the SVR?
            1. Gato
              Gato April 21 2021 16: 37
              0
              Isn't it from the SVR?

              It was from the KGB. In those days, there was no SVR in the USSR. Foreign intelligence was officially handled by two departments: the KGB PGU (political intelligence) and the GRU General Staff (military intelligence).
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis April 21 2021 16: 43
                -2
                Got it ... But still intelligence is intelligence Let it be political!
                1. Gato
                  Gato April 21 2021 16: 48
                  0
                  Let it be political

                  This is just the aerobatics of reconnaissance. Military intelligence is engaged in more private matters directly related to the Armed Forces, new military equipment, etc. By the way, according to the wiki, VVP began his career in counterintelligence.
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis April 21 2021 16: 53
                    -1
                    Counterintelligence people are not stupid .. I got into communication ... I didn't want to meet again belay hi
      2. Bobrovsky
        Bobrovsky April 26 2021 20: 28
        0
        I am 15 years old and from school I was sent to the district Komsomol conference. I was sitting in the fourth row, and the first secretary of the district committee of the Komsomol spoke directly from the rostrum. I spoke for about forty minutes, very fluently, about the successes of the regional organization. And I sat and admired how it is possible to talk about anything for so long. I myself am not the last talker, but this is the first time I have seen such a master. And then, 20 years later, I happened to be at meetings in the same department several times. Its head was the former first secretary of the regional committee of the Komsomol. Then the talker Gorbachev, also a former Komsomol leader, came to power. And what is interesting is that the last two were an exact copy of the district secretary. A lot of words, seemingly on the case, but about nothing. So they were promoted, these former Komsomol talkers showed their complete worthlessness.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 21 2021 08: 50
      +1
      ..... negative selection ....
      that's it! Only negative selection can explain such figures as Gorbachev and Yeltsin
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal April 21 2021 13: 14
      -3
      Weren't the same special distributors under Ulyanov or Dzhugashvili? And the young general-son of the leader did not descend any misconduct? (Inquire about the story of Hussein's eldest son)
      Personalist regimes (namely, he was created by the latter, squeezing out or physically destroying any figures inconvenient to him personally) begin to crumble after the death of the “person”. Which, to the last, often drives away thoughts of an inevitable biological curtain (nature rules).
  4. tatra
    tatra April 20 2021 20: 30
    -4
    Yes, de facto, the enemies of the communists seized the USSR back in their anti-Soviet Perestroika with their total slander of the Bolshevik Communists and the Chekists, and none of the "Liberator" Gorbachev, who used nonsense that "the USSR collapsed by itself, the USSR was not viable from the very beginning. , The USSR sat on an oil needle, oil prices collapsed, and the USSR collapsed, "and that kind of nonsense, and that it was the communists who seized the USSR during Perestroika, is unable to prove how, without him, they could seize the republics of the USSR, impose themselves into power , its own System, economy, ideology - evil anti-Sovietism / Russophobia.
  5. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 20 2021 20: 45
    +1
    Let's be frank - betrayal!
  6. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 20 2021 21: 10
    +8
    In those days I was young. And then I was interested in girls / vodka / rock'n'roll. Roughly speaking.
    Something, but how it happened ... That's a thing of the past.
    Today we need not to love what has survived. Least. And multiply - as a maximum.
    Ohaniya and ahaniya will not solve the issue.
    This is my provincial opinion hi
    1. WIKI
      WIKI April 20 2021 21: 36
      -1
      Quote: Benzorez
      Today we need not to love what has survived. Least. And multiply - as a maximum.

      These are just slogans. And the reality is that everything is limited to ordinary manilovism. Therefore, we have lagged behind the rest of the world in development. "Russia has been trapped in stagnation since 2009: with an average growth rate of 0,9%, the Russian economy has lagged 3,5 times behind the world economy, which, according to the World Bank, has almost doubled from the United States, where the economy has grown by 31,2%, and 16,2 times from China, whose GDP grew by 11% over the decade. The lag behind even the stagnant USSR, which in the most difficult terminal period of its existence - 101-1979 - grew by 1990 % in year."
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter April 20 2021 21: 50
        +5
        These are absolutely not slogans.
        Every single day I am a stoker fiercely at work. And I am doing my best for one hundred and twenty percent. And not just go to sit for eight or ten hours.
        If everyone at his workplace will just "give all the best", and not sit for hours, then it will be the case.
        Unfortunately, today it is already a utopia.
        Ninety percent does not want to work, but - to receive a lot of money, very much even! .. Such is the squiggle. request
        1. Gato
          Gato April 20 2021 22: 00
          +12
          Every single day I am a stoker fiercely at work. And I am doing my best for one hundred and twenty percent. And not just go to sit for eight or ten hours.

          Do you think that you are making the state richer? And not the owner (if your company is private) or a thieving official (if your company is state-owned). The call to burn at work in a bourgeois state from the worker himself sounds somehow strange ...
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter April 20 2021 22: 12
            +3
            I see it strange to go to work, and do nothing on it!
            Why go to work then? I have a brigade method of work. Why do I need a team member who ... Does nothing? And pay him the money.
            This is how I earn money / do work, plus I feed from my money, a bum.
            If you need to explain "on the fingers" ...
            And there are seventy percent of such comrades in the team.
            1. Gato
              Gato April 20 2021 22: 26
              +4
              I see it strange to go to work, and do nothing on it!

              Hmm .. If my employer paid me money for going to work and not doing a damn thing there - honestly, I would not mind fellow But he, such a bastard, demands results: he wants a new car or, at best, expand the company. I also want a new car and I also do not mind recruiting more programmers to my department. But I'm not ready to work hard for this 23 hours a day.
              1. Petrol cutter
                Petrol cutter April 20 2021 22: 42
                +1
                We are working as it turns out a little in different sectors of the national economy.
                And apparently with a different wage system.
                My department has already initially (without asking me) recruited a staff. And I cannot influence this in any way. I will have to cooperate with them for a long time.
                Such is our strange capitalism and other market relations.
                Why are these people here ?! .. What are they doing / not doing here? Why did they find jobs here?
                They knew what they were doing, and we have the right to demand from them work, not snot ...
                1. Gato
                  Gato April 20 2021 22: 53
                  0
                  My department has already initially (without asking me) recruited a staff. And I cannot influence this in any way.

                  Yes, you really have a strange system. How can you demand something from a manager if he cannot influence his staff in any way? I came across this only in the service, which is natural, but in civilian life - never. Here they cut you a piece of the project, the corresponding piece of the budget - and do your best, even if you do it yourself, even if you hire homeless people, nobody cares. The main thing is the result. You can only sympathize - so maybe well, her nafig such a job?
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 20 2021 23: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Benzorez
                  we have the right to demand from them - work, not snot ...

                  You have no rights. Right at the beginning.
            2. WIKI
              WIKI April 20 2021 23: 00
              0
              Quote: Benzorez
              This is how I earn money / do work, plus I feed from my money, a bum.
              If you need to explain "on the fingers" ...
              And there are seventy percent of such comrades in the team.

              Again you are not talking about that. Judging by the way you describe the state of affairs in your enterprise, it is not a simple worker who is to blame, but your leadership, which is not able to organize a normal work process. They love the work of fools, and the bosses love those who work, but they are not worried about their problems.
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        3. WIKI
          WIKI April 20 2021 22: 50
          +1
          Quote: Benzorez
          If everyone at his workplace will just "give all the best", and not sit for hours, then it will be the case.

          It's one thing to go all out with a fountain pen in your hands, and another thing to puff up a sweat on your back. I've been doing it too. I had to change the joint on my leg. Well, the pension arrived in time. And then they probably would have been referred to as tortured by the pills.
          1. Gato
            Gato April 20 2021 23: 05
            0
            It's one thing to go all out with a fountain pen in your hands, and another thing to puff up a sweat on your back.

            Industrial injuries are not very dependent on the severity of the tool. A colleague of mine, who never moved anything heavier than a mouse, ended up in a psychiatric hospital with a diagnosis of schizophrenia, because his intellect had tackled the intricacies of polymorphism in object-oriented programming. And you say joint lol
        4. Pavel Vladimirov
          Pavel Vladimirov April 20 2021 23: 13
          +1
          How long it is possible to fire a stoker, we have been a stoker for a thousand years, and technical progress works for the rest of the world.
    2. beeper
      beeper April 20 2021 23: 05
      +1
      Quote: Benzorez

      ...That's a thing of the past.
      Today we need not to love what has survived. Least. And multiply - as a maximum.
      Ohaniya and ahaniya will not solve the issue.

      This is my provincial opinion hi

      In principle, I agree with your opinion, Gasoline cutter! winked
      At that time, in the 1980s, I had a lot of communication with the mountains (a fairly large city in the South-East of the Ukrainian SSR) Komov and regional committee party commissars (you can say that I was also persistently "invited" to the "nomenclature", but having recognized these "leading members parties and the Komsomol "and" their morals "from close range, honestly, considered it unacceptable for himself to" join "there and" get along ", remained in principle" with the working people ", did not want to" stamp on people's heads "and parasitize the working people, although all those "friends" and "acquaintances" even "during perestroika", at the end of the 80s, had already stuck to the "money of the party and the Komsomol", and warm places in the "organs", from where they later "covered" organized crime and the "initial seizure of capital" ...) their "attached employees of the committee", well, with our factory "pioneers" ...
      Even then, destructive "tendencies" were clearly visible, but all this "collapse" was led "from above (" the fish was rotting from the head "!!!)" - the Central Committee of the CPSU and its structures "on the ground."
      At the direction of the party organs and under the auspices of local "committee members", nationalist "Rukhs (Movements)" were created, to the leadership of which "recruited" dissidents "- controlled" informers of the committee "with a" suitcase of compromising evidence "for each development of the "process of perestroika", having come to power in the national republics, they immediately began to destroy, under the name of "opening archives", by the way, at that time we also found out who wrote denunciations of our grandfather and accused him of "counter-revolutionary activities"), so here in the Ukrainian SSR it was and so, I am sure, it was in other republics of the Union ...

      In general, I can roughly imagine what this former "committee member" can tell, but still I will listen to this interview tomorrow, at work (and today I want to watch an interesting feature film) and, maybe. I will also write a comment about that.

      The most lousy precondition for the collapse of the Soviet Union (as well as the political instability of the current post-Soviet "regimes") I considered and still believe, first of all, is disrespect for people, their human personality, lies and hypocrisy ("they said" one thing, but "thought and did" another !) authorities and the fact that "they are terribly far from the people" - because. the abyss between those in power (and their "lured" servants playing at the "elite", in their essence they are not just "temporary workers"!) and the working people (with whom "not everything is so simple" too!) becomes deeper and wider , alas!
      This "deep failure" is being subtly exploited by "coming from the rear" and "acting comprehensively" by the enemies of our common Russian Fatherland!

      Well, in order to really "turn this page of history", so that a psychological "gestalt" occurs in the minds of millions of former USSR citizens, the vile Jew Michael Gorby (preferably members of his gang) to the Russian authorities (as if they took on the burden of USSR continuity ?! ) should (in no case tell the authorities of the Russian Federation what to do, and I absolutely do not have such powers - these are just my "thinking aloud" -type "if only if only"!) to officially deprive all Soviet and Russian awards (and to appoint a pension the same as Alyaksandr Lukashenka appointed to “Belovezhtsa” Shutkevich, to whom the Belarusian authorities have thus indicated his dastardly place, and sits there, doesn’t bark, “doesn’t shine,” as “the despicable Bullseye” starts teaching everyone for any 'reason' ) and publicly give-brand this "mazurik" that "definition" that he deserves, and not shower this def..destructive mzeravite with "all state honors"? !!

      IMHO
      1. Pavel Vladimirov
        Pavel Vladimirov April 20 2021 23: 17
        0
        If you think now that something has changed in the city committees, then you are mistaken. Everything is the same. I am interested in one thing, now our country will break up into regions / republics, or into federal districts?
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist April 21 2021 06: 20
          +1
          Nobody will fall apart. The whole country is being handed over to China.
  7. Alexga
    Alexga April 20 2021 21: 28
    +1
    In March 1984, I returned to some other country. Something about her has changed during my absence.
    1. Gato
      Gato April 20 2021 22: 04
      0
      In March 1984, I returned to some other country.

      In what year did you leave the country, that in 1984 it seemed to you some other. belay I suspect that you meant 1994. I didn’t even leave, but just leaving for an urgent one in 1986, in 1988 I really returned to another country.
    2. Sarboz
      Sarboz April 20 2021 22: 35
      +2
      Quote: AlexGa
      In March 1984, I returned to some other country. Something about her has changed during my absence.

      If you really felt this in 1984 (I just went to the 10th grade), what can I say about us, who returned in February 1989 from Afghanistan. It was not just another, it was a foreign country, to which it was not immediately possible to get used to, to adjust. Respect for the soldiers-internationalists changed to contempt. And then the soul rushed to heaven.
  8. Semak
    Semak April 20 2021 21: 34
    +1
    When people start writing memoirs, books, giving interviews, etc. etc. about the days of the past and the deeds of bygone days, they are trying to find an excuse for themselves.
  9. Wertgan
    Wertgan April 20 2021 21: 44
    +1
    Let's already admit that these processes were based on the attitude of the people to their homeland. They laughed at her, considered her backward and not promising ... They condemned repression, laughed at political economy. And then they went to a referendum and voted for the sovereignty of the republics. And now, after the lapse of 30 years, the majority has not realized what has been done. They also laugh, condemn, think that they will be able to survive without their homeland. Do you think it will work out?
    1. Sarboz
      Sarboz April 20 2021 22: 42
      +3
      Quote: WertGan
      And then they went to a referendum and voted for the sovereignty of the republics.

      In a referendum, 76% voted to preserve the Union. And the point. Parallel referendums in the republics were based on other issues.
      1. Wertgan
        Wertgan April 27 2021 17: 47
        -1
        Voted for the sovereignty of the republics. That is, for the collapse of the USSR. Please read the wording of that referendum and realize this already.
  10. mag nit
    mag nit April 20 2021 22: 14
    +3
    KGBists - participants in the collapse. Therefore, they came to power.
  11. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver April 20 2021 22: 34
    +5
    For any adequate person, it remains a mystery how it happened.

    In this case, I am not "any adequate person." A joke about the colonel's son, who will never be a general, remember?
    De facto, over time, private ownership of the means of production "happened" in the Union. When factories, newspapers and steamships began to be handed down, in fact, by inheritance.
    It's the same story with government posts of all levels. The new nobility took shape over three generations.
    Hereditary, by that time, the elite simply decided to turn de facto into de jure. Just business.
    The weak point of the whole theory is that the state, which should own the means of production, is not some abstract entity. In fact, the state is represented in this interaction by only people. With all that it implies.
  12. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 20 2021 23: 12
    -2
    Here, many look at the collapse of the union as something unnatural, as an absurd chain of bad things. This is a wrong view - the USSR was a deeply sick country, inside which people were forced to live in a way they did not want to live, to believe in what they were not interested in, to cram and always look around and include in their lives a host of things that were unnatural for their culture, areas of interest, intelligence and hobbies. All this could "function" long enough, as the body is connected to life support systems, but the trouble is - these systems in the 80s began to malfunction one by one. The question of why they began to fail is not so important - it is surprising that it dragged on for so long, given what huge funds the state was stupidly poured into bypassing the basic needs of its own population. We always had money for some Nasser, and never so that "sausage trains" full of people who were "unlucky" to live in cities with the wrong level of supply would stop coming to Moscow. Some parts of the USSR are worthy of nostalgia, but the system as a whole was terrible, stupid and soulless, and to admit this was not much different from today's.
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist April 21 2021 06: 33
      +3
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      The USSR was a deeply sick country, inside which people were forced to live the way they did not want to live, to believe in what they were not interested in believing,

      Exactly! It is naive to believe that the independent existence of rotten and healthy parts is possible in the state mechanism. And it is even more naive to believe that a healthy powerful state can be destroyed by individual traitors.
      And the pinnacle of naivety is the opinion that at the moment when the traitors received absolute power in the country and all its property, they suddenly became puzzled by the problem of the country's prosperity and the welfare of its citizens.
  13. Gardener91
    Gardener91 April 20 2021 23: 19
    +4
    Gorbachev was only an instrument of disintegration, and his weapon was perestroika and glasnost, under the slogan of which the consciousness of the masses was broken. Everyone began to print and shoot: with delight and breath, find fault with the past and praise the present there, and so on. Under all this mess, a deficit of everything and everything was artificially created that gave rise to discontent and the guilty were appointed. Then, especially cunning, power-hungry three traitors - separatists signed a libel. But that's not all. The so-called breakup referendum, having deceived the peoples, hammered a nail into the lid of the coffin. The collapse and alienation of organs of a previously integral system continues to this day.
  14. MelkorAintGood
    MelkorAintGood April 20 2021 23: 20
    +5
    The union was economically doomed either to cardinal reforms with a move to the market as in China, or to disintegration, which happened. In words there was socialism, in deeds - state capitalism with a pseudo-social bias. Think for yourself, what were the prospects, if communism (lack of money, state, universal benefits for all) is possible only in the size of the entire planet? If a country is surrounded by capitalist countries and at the same time conducts trade with them, then by default it will be the same capitalist country, only poor, no matter what the authorities of this country declare. What difference does it make who distributes salaries and sets prices in stores, market mechanisms or mossy officials in the endless corridors of ministries? Conceptually, this is the same thing, only the decaying West provided quality and choice, which Soviet people never had in anything.
    In words, equality, in fact - non-jurisdictional nomenclature and special distributors (and other special things).
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist April 21 2021 06: 46
      +2
      Quote: MelkorAintGood
      In words there was socialism, in deeds - state capitalism with a pseudo-social bias.

      Quite right. All the classics of Marxism, including Lenin, said that a change in the social formation should be preceded by a change in the basis, the emergence of enterprises with a radically higher level of labor productivity, the development of which is impeded by the previous system of social relations. But Soviet "socialism" did not at all become a society with higher labor productivity. And this means that there was no socialism.
  15. Amore-mija
    Amore-mija April 20 2021 23: 47
    -6
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  16. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 21 2021 00: 01
    0
    Quote: Egoza
    There was simply no one who would take the ice ax in his hands. Then we would have seen - is it inevitable or not.

    There wouldn't be enough ice axes.
  17. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 21 2021 06: 05
    +1
    I don’t want to talk about that time. I am more worried about the present. There are too many radical patriots. Perhaps this is something that pleases the soul. But I am sure in the future, and the state itself will not be happy about them. A year ago, I heard prison slang from a respected political scientist. Further more. It remains only to finish - "The century will not see the will." Who is it for? And then on VO one proudly says, they say he is a Nazi. This person does not understand who our fathers and grandfathers fought. Yesterday I watched a TV program about the threat of numbers. People began to fear the future, because they transfer their subconscious fear for the present to the future. If this survey had been 50 years ago, the result would have been different.
  18. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 April 21 2021 09: 23
    +2
    "Gorbachev's coming to power began" - it began much earlier, when the party leadership betrayed the behests of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. They decided that it is possible and necessary to take care of yourself, loved one.
    After the end of the Civil War, dubious people began to smuggle into the party, but while the party was headed by "cadre revolutionaries", the party was cleared of careerists, but then the careerists gradually filled all the leading posts in the party
  19. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 21 2021 09: 28
    +3
    The party nomenclature smoothly flowed into the bourgeoisie. Well, then I just changed the sign ...
  20. Glory1974
    Glory1974 April 21 2021 11: 21
    -1
    Since the time of the Slavic-Aryan Vedas, it has been known what the state should be like. These rules are enshrined in India in the system of caste society, although it may be that their rigid fixation interferes with the understanding of the true meaning.
    In short, people in the country are divided into people - 70%, merchants - 15-20%, and warriors (rulers) 5-10%.
    The people live and earn their living by handicrafts, traders in trade, warriors make sure that there are no distortions. For merchants to tithe their income for the benefit of the people, etc.
    If the people come to power, they begin to spread rot on the traders, if the traders - on the people. These two estates will never understand each other. The merchant will sell his own mother if it is profitable for him, the people do not understand him.
    If it is profitable for the merchant, he will betray his country with ease.
    As the warriors ceased to control the merchants, everything went wrong. In the USSR, merchants came to power and sold everything they could, and betrayed everything they could for money and material goods. This is still the case. The people hate them, understand everything, but can not do anything. Warriors cannot take power, therefore they cannot restore order.
    In China, traders are not given power, they are controlled by the party (rulers and warriors), so they are developing.
  21. Andobor
    Andobor April 21 2021 11: 47
    +2
    My grandmother was a communist, and at one time she was a communal woman at the end of the 70s, she said that there was an owner under the tsar, we had an idea, now there is nothing, it cannot last so long - everything will collapse.
    The illiterate collective farmer understood everything even then, but educated tupariks still whine, - Gorbachev ruined her. The system was deceitful, rotten, that's why it collapsed, now America is following this path, they are breaching something else, but what's the difference, they have broken away from reality.
  22. Wolf
    Wolf April 21 2021 12: 37
    -1
    The very coming of Gorbachev to power was VERY AND VERY DOUBT. Look at how Gorbachev was chosen and who did it !!!
    THE USSR WAS PROGRAMMED TO DECONSTITUTE AND FOR THE CIVIL WAR EVEN IN THE PERIOD WHEN THE AGENTS OF THE WORLD GARBAGE CREATED THE FIRST CONSTITUTION OF THE USSR under Lenin and Trotsky. Stalin ??? Whether he singled out this question or not, but if you look he was fighting against the consequences of programming, there is no against the prisoners, STALIN WAS NOT INDIVIDUAL TO THE CLASSIFIER !!!
    1. Wolf
      Wolf April 21 2021 12: 40
      -1
      There is no need to comment on Khrushchev, he was Gorbachev only during this period, the USSR was growing while Stalin's system was working, but Khrushchev and the rest quickly ruined the system!
      1. Wolf
        Wolf April 21 2021 12: 50
        -2
        THE SYSTEM OF LENIN AND TROTSKY GENERATED A NATIONAL COMMUNISTS, AND ALL THIS IS THE BASIC PRESENTATION OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE STATE IS STILL ADDED WHEN DRAWING THE BORDER OF NATIONAL REPUBLICS GARBAGE PROGRAMMED THE USSR TO A CITIZEN !!!
        THE SYSTEM OF THE USSR LENIN AND TROTSKY WAS FIRSTLY CREATED AGAINST THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE AND FOR A LONG-TERM DESTRUCTION OF IT !!!
        TODAY THIS WAR IS PROGRAMMED IN UKRAINE MORE TIME OF THE CREATION OF THE USSR !!!
        ONLY THE WISE POLITICS OF PUTIN AND LUKASHENKA HAVE NOT STARTED A WAR BETWEEN RUSSIA, UKRAINE, BELARUS, BUT THEY WILL NOT HAVE A THREAD THAT IS A USER AND WHAT A CONSEQUENCE !!!
        1. Wolf
          Wolf April 21 2021 13: 02
          -2
          WRONGLY I WRITTEN THAT THE WAR IN UKRAINE TODAY IS PROGRAMMED AT THE CREATION OF THE USSR, THE PROGRAMS OF THE INITIATES IN THE PERIOD OF THE CREATION OF A NEW NATION OF OD 1 RUSSIAN PEOPLE, IT WAS IN THE PERIOD OF THE 19TH CENTURY, THE USSR ONLY LONGED FOR ONE TIME !!! SO BELARUSIANS, RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS CREATED NEW ARTICLES OF LANGUAGES AND UNDERSTOOD THE LUKAVO GRAMATIC RULES WHICH BY NATURE DO NOT COMPOSE THE NATURE OF THE SLAVIC LANGUAGE AND SO STARTED A SECTION ON NEW NAVO NAVO NAVO NAVO !!! BUT IN THE 19th CENTURY IT WAS DONE IN ALL EUROPE !!!
          BUT YOU CAN ASK THE BROTHERS MASSONS WHO THEY WORKED FOR IN THE 19th CENTURY AND WHOM ARE THEY WORK FOR TODAY IN A PLACE WITH THE CATHOLIC EZUITES? BOTH SOME AND OTHERS WORK FOR 1 HOSEAYA ONLY BELOW REDI DO NOT KNOW IT !!!
          WERE LIVE !!!
          LIVE WERE
          1. Wolf
            Wolf April 21 2021 13: 10
            -2
            LUKASHENKO DOESN'T PRODUCE WHAT IS HAPPENING, BUT INTUITIVELY AVOID ENTRANCE WITH PROGRAMS, PUTIN OF MUDRIA !!!
            1. Wolf
              Wolf April 21 2021 13: 44
              -2
              Just look at the Sudbu of Prus and Luzhichki Serbs? 1740 AT THE PRUSKY YARD THE TRIBODY SPEAKED FRENCH LANGUAGE, AND HOME WITH WIVES AT HOME !!! THEN ON THE RUSSIAN COURT THE TRIBALITY SPEAKED FRENCH, AND THEN BOOM NAPOLEON !!! wink
              Ruska Empire was HUGE and then the people escaped the fate of the Prusy and Luzhichsky Serbs, but in the half of the 19th century they made GENOCIDE over the Luzhichky Serbs!
              Today THREADS OF PRUSS AND ALMOST THREADS OF MEALS OF SERBS ARE NOT DESTROYED AND FROM THE CORE !!! wink
              1. Wolf
                Wolf April 21 2021 13: 58
                -1
                WORLDS WILL BE LONG-TERM PROCESSES !!! Kings, or SILNIE LUDI SOMETIMES you do the processes BUT IN A SHORT PERIOD !!! IVAN VELIKI (formidable) WAS SUCH A PERSON, and Stalyin was but on the lower level of Ivan and a lot !!!
                1. Wolf
                  Wolf April 21 2021 14: 08
                  -1
                  For an example, when in Europe, at the beginning of the 19th century, the processes of the REFORMATION OF YAZIKS were created, AND THE NEW "GRAMATIC" RULES OF THE TONGES, THEN DEFINED AND THE FATE OF MANY PEOPLES OF THE PA AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PRUSSIANS AND THE LUZHICHKA SERBS, AND THE START OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PUBLIC RULES !!!


                  BUT WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THESE PROCESSES NEVER HAPPEN BY ITSELF !!! THE DEFINITION OF THE STRUCTURE AND ORGANIZATIONS THEM IS PUSHED AND PROVIDED THAT IT CAN BE RELIGIOUS, "SCIENTIFIC" ITD. ON THE TOP OF THESE STRUCTURES IN THE SERVICE OF THE WORLD RULERS.
                  1. Wolf
                    Wolf April 21 2021 14: 11
                    0
                    If someone starts talking and strongly that grief is written, the conspiracy theory has 2 reasons for such a dialect. smile
                    AND THERE IS AND 3 a! wink
                    1. Wolf
                      Wolf April 21 2021 14: 48
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                      TODAY BRIGHT REPRESENTATIVES OF NEW LONG-LASTING PROCESSES AND SERVICE OF VLADAR (REMOVED FROM AIRCRAFT) CLAUS SHWAB, BEAL GATES ITD.
                      VEGETABLES CLOSE (THAT WILL BE COUNTRY AND MOST WILL BE LOCAL TO MANY)
                      But also Masoni or Templar Scientologists, etc. also for many, even for the members of these organizations, noble organizations, but in fact, they are only PERFORMERS of certain processes and programs. CO2 (CO2) IMMEDIATION PROGRAM A USUAL LODGE AND DECEPTION OF THE NAIVE PEOPLE. As well as the fact that the cow is letting CO2 into the atmosphere in a quantity that threatens the planet.
  23. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 22 2021 08: 39
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    Let me remind you that the KGB was an armed detachment of the CPSU, or rather the Central Committee of the CPSU, which was the nest of traitors to the interests of the people of the country. And this is the result of the rebirth of the "elite", whose intellectual level could not cope with the solution of the problem, which was written by them in the form of programs.
    It was the successive rise to power of less and less intellectual members of the CPSU, which began with the arrival of Khrushchev (a Trotskyist and a volunarist), that led to the collapse of the USSR. The KGB, on the other hand, was subordinate to the Central Committee and began to serve the interests of the Central Committee more and more, and not the defense of the country. Hence the line of traitors in the KGB who held high positions. And who promoted them up the career ladder. who patronized them?
    Yes, the Communist Party has rotted! From here everything sprouted. hi
    1. place
      place April 22 2021 19: 19
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      Quote: Vlad5307
      And this is the result of the rebirth of the "elite", whose intellectual level could not cope with the solution of the problem, which was written by them in the form of programs.


      The CPSU and the CPSU Central Committee had a very democratic charter; all leadership positions are elective and accountable to congresses and assemblies. The party was open to "an influx of fresh forces from the people." This killed her.
      "the country of slaves - the country of masters" did not choose such chiefs for itself, who threatened it.
      It is good that in the "new Russia" elections have become "virtual". Either "the people are silent" or they open their mouths without a sound. Otherwise it would have been an order of magnitude worse.
      There is at least some kind of “elite,” but it really doesn’t depend on the people at all. This is the only chance for the country to survive.
  24. place
    place April 22 2021 15: 40
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    In the "land of slaves - the land of masters" it could not be otherwise. Read Saltykov - Shchedrin; "The story of a city" ... the final turned out to be straight, like that of a classic. The foolish people opened their mouths open and did not understand themselves. what happens to them.

    Even in the Brezhnev period, there was an anecdote about the art of Soviet doctors who sewed the boss's butt instead of a head and she ruled the country for 9 years until 1964 - from the same series.
  25. georggy
    georggy April 22 2021 17: 16
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    Goofy author's nonsense.
  26. Russian News
    Russian News April 25 2021 13: 07
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    1. There were no more traitors in power than "under Stalin," just never until the end of the 80s, they did not enjoy the mass support of the population. specifically Yeltsin. Gorbach, whatever one may say, can ONLY be blamed for the fact that he did not cope with the situation and did not give the order to bomb Viskuli in December 1991.

    2. The USSR was destroyed by its citizens, primarily the citizens of the RSFSR, who elected Yeltsin and the Supreme Soviet, which adopted the separatist "declaration of independence" on June 12, 1990.

    3. after Stalin, the USSR grew economically from the Stalinist level as well as from the tsarist level under Stalin. fairy tales about some kind of "peo-romantic collapse" were invented exactly by those who chose Yeltsin: they say, come on, there was nothing to ruin, and we are not to blame.
    1. zenion
      zenion 6 June 2021 23: 22
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      Great Russia united the free forever into a union of indestructible republics. Of course, they did not score about Lenin, but there was not a word about Stalin. Stalin hoped there was such a plan, in 1955 to announce a vote on who wants to enter a single union. At the same time, the country would be governed by voters, and would have been executed by specialists appointed by a special committee. In general, everything was supposed to be like during the war, the country was ruled by engineers, and the party was on the parcels and taught the people, that is, teachers, and other specialists who managed the directions of love for the motherland. There would be a single country, but without a king with representatives of each nationality. And the communists are songs, dances hopak, bull's-eye.
  27. Adolph Novak De Peskovski
    Adolph Novak De Peskovski 4 May 2021 22: 34
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    The destruction of the Soviet Union was necessary in order to destroy the population of the entire world.
    https://shoah2021.livejournal.com/22877.html
  28. Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan 5 May 2021 15: 14
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    It was under Gorbachev that the Buran project was curtailed and allowed to organize a joint venture, that is, Joint Ventures. Where I worked at the Research Institute of Introscopy, many departments began to be transformed into joint ventures, and the institute was engaged in non-destructive testing and was a leader in the USSR in instrument-making in the field of non-destructive testing. And from the joint venture to the simple clearing of the territory for lease for foreign companies, this is how the leader in instrumentation in the field of non-destructive testing ended before the 90s !!! They developed unique impact and acceleration sensors, and then all this was absorbed by the American company Endevko. I have not forgotten anything and I remember all the years from 1985 to 1999. Only with the arrival of Vladimir Putin began to change the picture, to revive science, the military-industrial complex and the Armed Forces of Russia. So, therefore, for me, Vladimir Putin is the Man who should be in power and not give the infidels to the holy of holies, into the Defense of Russia !!!
  29. upadeishev
    upadeishev 15 May 2021 21: 12
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    If the "KGB veteran" knew everything, then where was the "GKChP hero" and the chief of this "veteran" Kryuchkov at that time? Or did he know "everything" too?
  30. zenion
    zenion 6 June 2021 23: 11
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    And where were these heroes before. Khrushchev was not of this world. But they didn’t make him a saboteur like the Tagged One!