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Nuclear Non-Nuclear Dolphin: The Final Component of Israel's Triad

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The Mediterranean Sea is inherently a body of water no less hot than the Persian Gulf. Just hot water, not boiling water, but the events that may begin to unfold in the Mediterranean can easily warm up the whole world.


The main troublemaker in the region is Turkey, led by Erdogan, whose policy is very difficult to calculate and calmly accept. There are peculiar games with the Kurds both at home and in Syria, and more than strained relations with the Greeks, and sidelong glances towards Israel. Plus dancing both in NATO and with Russia.

But if the Kurds are almost an internal problem, Turkey has been a NATO member with Greece since 1952, that is, a crow will not peck out a crow's eyes, then the relationship between the Muslim world in the Middle East and Israel is an eternal topic of conversation.

And we have Israel and its submarine fleet on our agenda today.

Yes, today two cartridges have been snapped out of the ranks of states "adoring" Israel: Libya and Syria. However, this is definitely not a reason to relax. And in Israel, where people are not only pragmatic but also smart, they continue to devote time and budget to their defense capabilities.

On earth, in the heavens and the sea


With earth and heaven, everything is more or less clear. The sea is very interesting. The Israeli naval forces cannot boast of a large number of ships, but if they are calculated and compared with the scale of the country, it is very significant. Three corvettes, a dozen missile boats, fifty patrol boats - well, you can do something like that in terms of coastal protection if something happens.

And five submarines.

And here is an interesting point that some experts like Kyle Mizokami from The National Interest draw attention to.

The German side has agreed to build three more Dolphin-class submarines. And this fact brings a very interesting nuance to the balance of power in the Mediterranean and the Middle East.

Nuclear Non-Nuclear Dolphin: The Final Component of Israel's Triad

It is generally accepted that the most tenacious branch of the nuclear triad in those countries that possess this weaponsis usually a naval component consisting of nuclear submarines. Submarines can calmly stay in positions deep in the ocean for weeks or even months, virtually out of sight, just waiting for an order to strike the enemy.

A very good deterrent as it guarantees a retaliatory strike.

The Mediterranean Sea for nuclear submarines is not the best water area, but Israel does not have nuclear boats. But there are diesel-electric ones, which the Israeli side is playing as a good trump card, in full.

What are "Dolphins" and why are they talking about again?



The first three boats were built in the nineties, but they got into operation only at the turn of 1999-2000. These are Dolphin, Leviathan and Tekuma. These are boats of the first generation of "Dolphins", and to what extent they could be carriers of nuclear weapons, which, it seems, Israel does not have.

In fact, with nuclear weapons at Israel's disposal, things are quite peculiar. "We do not have it. Not at all. But if we are talking about the existence of the State of Israel itself and its people, then we will apply it. " This is to summarize all the evasive answers of the Israeli side.

We are of the opinion that Israel has nuclear weapons. And here further consideration of the situation with submarines will proceed in this vein.

The Dolphin is a series of German diesel-electric submarines also known as the Type 800. This is a modification of the Type 212 submarine specially made for Israel.


Two boats of the second generation ("Tanin" and "Rahav") have an air-independent power plant, which, as you understand, increases both the stealth and autonomy of the boat. The cruising range of the "dolphin" with VNEU is estimated at 8 miles on the surface and 000 miles underwater.

Naturally, the boats are equipped according to the first class in terms of onboard electronics: Israeli Elta radars, Elbit reconnaissance systems and German sonars from Atlas Electronics.

But the main "highlight" is weapons. More precisely, torpedo tubes and what can be charged in them.

Ten torpedo tubes. Six are standard caliber 533 mm, and four caliber 650 mm (Israelis claim that all 10 are 533 mm, but we believe the Germans). The torpedo tubes are equipped with hydromechanical ejection devices for the forced ejection of underwater-based Harpoon anti-ship missiles and mines, the torpedoes usually exit the vehicles themselves. Standard ammunition consists of 16 torpedoes and 5 missiles.

By the way, Israel acquired the most advanced torpedoes - the German SeaHake mod.4ER, with a range of up to 140 km.


Large torpedo tubes also serve as gateways for divers.

However, we are not interested in 650-mm devices as gateways. Because besides combat swimmers, you can release something more interesting and weighty through them. For example, a cruise missile. And it may not be the anti-ship UGM-84 "Harpoon" for underwater launch, but, for example, Gabriel MkЗ. Or LORA.


RCC "Gabriel"

Although, it is worth paying tribute to the Israeli engineers, they can easily afford to remake anything for their needs, even the same "Harpoon". And there is no doubt about it, they know how.

According to experts, the Gabriel and Harpoon are quite suitable for the delivery of a tactical nuclear charge with a capacity of about 200 kilotons. But even half the figure is already a reason for thought.

Naturally, there is no direct data on this score. True, in 2000, US intelligence detected a missile launch ... Again, the fact that the missile flew, according to American experts, more than 900 miles, does not make it Israeli, does it?

900 miles is a pretty good number, though. This can be reached even as far as Tehran, the modern stronghold of anti-Israeli motives in the Middle East.

Today Israel has three submarines capable of stealthily entering a strike position and launching such a missile at targets in Iran or Turkey.

And thanks to German shipbuilders, there will be six of them in Kiel.

Firstly, this will make it possible to replace three boats of the first generation, and secondly, six submarines, each of which can spend up to three weeks under water without surfacing, is quiet and carries cruise missiles with nuclear warheads on board, capable of flying up to a thousand kilometers - is this not quite a decent means of deterring any aggression directed at the country?

Especially for someone like Israel.

When we talk about deterrent, we usually mean nuclear weapons. Israel neither denies nor confirms that it possesses nuclear weapons. However, information from both the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service and the Federation of American Scientists indicate that Israel has nuclear weapons.

Yes, the creation of a series of Jericho-3 missiles, which is capable of a minimum flight of 6 km, and according to some sources, the maximum missile range can be up to 500 km, also from the same opera.

The Israeli side claims that Jericho-3 is exclusively a launch vehicle for launching satellites into orbit, but ... but only recently we celebrated 60 years from the beginning of the space era and we do not need to refresh our memory than the first (the second and third) satellites and ships.

Jericho is quite capable of delivering a nuclear charge over a fairly decent distance. The first component of the normal nuclear triad. Tried and tested.

F-15I Ra'am, 18 of those in service with the Israeli Air Force are equipped with containers for the same "Gabriels" - the second component.


Well, as a country that normally cares about its security, Israel could not pass by not creating a third component - the sea.

Six German-made submarines are more than enough.

Given that various sources (including the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service) agree that Israel may have from 150 to 200 nuclear warheads, this figure is more than enough to equip all three components of the deterrence triad.

"Jericho" is capable of carrying 2-3 blocks of charges, its carrying capacity of 750 kg allows it. There is no data on the number of "Jericho" of the third generation, but if Israel needs it, there will definitely be missiles.

The F-15 is capable of carrying two Gabriel-class missiles. That is, 36 pieces.
The Dolphin will be able to take on board at least 5 missiles with special ammunition. 30 charges.

In general, it turns out that with the entry into service of the Dolphin-class submarines, Israel becomes the owner of a full-fledged nuclear deterrent triad.

Given the presence of "friends" in the region, Israel can be justified in creating a full-fledged nuclear deterrent. Another question is whether this will bring calmness and stability to the region?

Especially considering the ambitions of some countries, like Turkey and Iran, that do not possess nuclear weapons, but claim to be the leader in the region.

And here there can be a wide variety of layouts.

As an example, it is worth recalling the war in the Persian Gulf in 1991, when Israel had nothing to do with it, in the conflict between Iraq and the coalition for Kuwait, the Iraqi military, taking advantage of the opportunity, sent four dozen Soviet-made R-17 missiles to Israel, according to the classification NATO SS-1c "Scud B" and "El Hussein", that is, the same "Scuds", but of Iraqi production.

In our case, Israel is taking another step towards becoming one of the key players in the region. The fact that it is unlikely to please other players, you don't even have to wang. Especially Iran.

But here, alas, there is nothing to be done. The means of deterrence are simply required to have maximum flexibility and survivability, especially in a country with such a meager territory.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 April 20 2021 05: 16
    +5
    I think that Iran will also soon create nuclear weapons, it has delivery systems, so sooner or later they will launch their missiles at targets, turning the Middle East into an exclusion zone.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 20 2021 05: 25
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      Pessimist 22 - they have nuclear weapons, so they can create what lies in the storehouse for the time being. Most likely, they also prepared a place on their surface ships for the installation of containers with nuclear missile carriers. But, such weapons will be placed on carvettes "as a last resort."
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 April 20 2021 06: 00
        +6
        Once again, carefully read my commentary and it will become clear to you about what kind of criminals I said.
    2. bobwings
      bobwings April 20 2021 06: 15
      +14
      The very possibility of launching nuclear weapons by the Islamic Republic of Iran towards Islamic shrines in Israel is interesting and entertaining ... The most interesting thing is that given Israel's multi-level anti-missile system, Iran will most likely become an exclusion zone, which will lead to the decline of Persian civilization.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 20 2021 06: 56
        +7
        Quote: bobwings
        Iran will most likely become the exclusion zone, which will lead to the decline of the Persian civilization.

        The decline has already begun, from the moment when the Islamists-obscurantists overthrew the Shah and seized power.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver April 20 2021 06: 52
      +5
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think that Iran will also soon create nuclear weapons, it has delivery systems, so sooner or later they will launch their missiles at targets, turning the Middle East into an exclusion zone.

      In this case, Israel has acquired a triad. And also the F-35I. Of course, they are not ah in a maneuvering battle at short distances, but to fly imperceptibly where you need to and throw off what you need with the necessary accuracy - this is exactly what they already regularly do. Well, local agents shouldn't be written off either. It exploded in Natanz once, so it can explode again. So if they were taking bets, then I would bet that the ayatollahs would rather acquire a full set of virgins (how many did the prophet predict - 72?) Than nuclear missiles. One should look more optimistically at such things. winked
    4. Civil
      Civil April 20 2021 07: 03
      +7
      1. Five boats in a freezer is great.
      2. Israel will exist only as long as it can defend itself. As soon as it gives slack, the Arabs will immediately begin to erase it from the face of the Earth.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 20 2021 07: 59
        +12
        Quote: Civil
        As soon as it gives slack, the Arabs will immediately begin to erase it from the face of the Earth.

        Which ones? Syria and Egypt? Syria itself does not fade away, but Egypt, it seems, has no problems with the Jews. As with the Saudis and the Emirates. Lebanon? A country that does not turn on the lights in the capital at night is unlikely to go to war.
        1. Sarboz
          Sarboz April 21 2021 21: 22
          -4
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Syria itself does not fade away,

          You were 6 years late. In 2015, Syria was on the brink of total annihilation. And now we will have to try to erase the Russian grouping together with Syria. The Americans are weak, they no longer try to throw their old axes. And the Israeli air eagles are at great risk, at some point their daring flights to Syria will bore us.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 21 2021 21: 59
            +1
            Quote: Sarboz
            at some point, their daring flights to Syria will bore us.

            To whom is this "us"? Syrian air defense? Whether there is any sense in the presence of the "Russian group" in Syria or not is a separate question, but in any case in SAR it is not for the ophthalmologist to drag chestnuts out of the fire for an ophthalmologist, dear. And not to die under Jewish, Turkish, American, or God knows what other bombs, personally protecting his ass.
            1. Sarboz
              Sarboz April 21 2021 22: 28
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              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Whether there is any sense in the presence of the "Russian group" in Syria or not is a separate question, but in any case in SAR it is not for the ophthalmologist to drag chestnuts out of the fire for an ophthalmologist, dear.

              This is not a question for Russia. The question is, why are people like you on this site creating an anti-Russian crowd scene? Why do you instill defeatism in any topic?
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 21 2021 22: 39
                +2
                I do not
                Quote: Sarboz
                instilling defeatism?

                and I will stop your jingoistic convulsions caused by dependence on the First Channel. This is basic detoxification, sir. And no Russophobia or whatever your TV guru invented. Appeals to your sanity are, alas, useless, I have tried.
                1. Sarboz
                  Sarboz April 21 2021 22: 46
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                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  and I will stop your jingoistic convulsions caused by dependence on the First Channel. This is basic detoxification, sir.

                  And I don't even watch TV, my friend. He was vaccinated against dissident infection back in the USSR. Therefore, I can not stand such fruits as you.

                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Appeals to your mind are, alas, useless I tried.

                  When did you manage and where? What is your nickname on the site? Is that you, Iron? I don’t recognize you in makeup.
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 22 2021 07: 33
                    -1
                    Quote: Sarboz
                    And I don't even watch TV, my friend. He was vaccinated against dissident infection back in the USSR.

                    Yes, I see that they also received an injection of nightingale droppings. How exactly - I'm not interested at all. Just don't brush your mantu.
                    Quote: Sarboz
                    Is that you, Iron? I don’t recognize you in makeup.

                    I am on the site recently and am not aware of either your high relations with household appliances, or who you are in general. And, frankly, I don't care. You are not interesting. Goodbye.
      2. AUL
        AUL April 20 2021 08: 38
        +11
        Quote: Civil
        ... Israel will exist as long as it can defend itself.

        This applies to any country that has something to profit from.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 20 2021 12: 22
          +4
          Quote: AUL
          This applies to any country that has something to profit from.

          And what do the Persians want to profit from in Israel? Falafel and fish in the Kinneret?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 20 2021 18: 13
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            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Quote: AUL
            This applies to any country that has something to profit from.

            And what do the Persians want to profit from in Israel? Falafel and fish in the Kinneret?

            More Khamsin))
      3. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov April 20 2021 08: 53
        +10
        Quote: Civil
        Five boats in a freezer is great.

        The first two were donated to Israel by the German government in 1997 as compensation, after the role of Germany in arming Saddam Hussein was revealed.
        All the rest - 700 million greens each, paid from the defense budget directly to ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems. Germany has made another 150 of its own. They are rich, they will not be less. Then, with a file of another 150-200 million, they sharpened each one and came out quite decent boats. You can often see them right from the beach.
        1. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx April 20 2021 17: 36
          +2
          revealed the role of Germany in the arming of Saddam Hussein

          And what did Saddam not please you with?
          According to your intelligence, Iraq was carried out !!!
          From which Purqua receives reparations the country NOT existing in 1936-1945 !!!!!!!!!!!!
          Where are you standing next to ???
    5. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 20 2021 07: 34
      +6
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think that Iran will also soon create nuclear weapons, it has delivery systems, so sooner or later they will launch their missiles at targets, turning the Middle East into an exclusion zone.

      Too apocalyptic)
      Even North Koreans, offended by the whole world, are in no hurry to throw their nuclear blanks. But they make funny videos.
      Nuclear weapons are an exceptionally status thing and a means of blackmail.
    6. Basarev
      Basarev April 22 2021 00: 29
      -1
      In this case, you should get ahead of these. Iran simply needs a new operation, Opera, because such scumbags cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons. Israel is possible, a civilized and rather peaceful country that does not threaten peace.
    7. Alexander Myasnikov
      Alexander Myasnikov 19 May 2021 19: 52
      0
      will create, Israel will not allow
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol April 20 2021 05: 22
    +5
    Gabriel Submarine Launcher? Hmm what
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 20 2021 06: 58
      +6
      Popeye Turbo, range 1500 km
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol April 20 2021 09: 03
        +4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Popeye Turbo, range 1500 km

        Likely
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 20 2021 09: 20
          +3
          It was made because Americans refused to sell tomahawks laughing
  3. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 20 2021 05: 26
    +3
    Israel must be understood! They want to destroy him. Israel only defends the right to life!
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis April 20 2021 20: 22
      -1
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      Israel must be understood! They want to destroy him. Israel only defends the right to life!

      You need to understand everyone .. Everyone defends the right to existence of their states ... In fact, every state has enemies ... We protect ourselves to the destruction of planet Earth ... Something I’m tired of all this saber rattling ... It's time for the planet to disarm.
  4. WHAT IS
    WHAT IS April 20 2021 05: 41
    +13
    Six German-made submarines are more than enough.
    This is an argument, I agree - the boats are very good.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 20 2021 07: 39
      +1
      Quote: WHAT IS
      This is an argument, I agree - the boats are very good.

      This is a modification of the Type 209 submarine specially made for Israel.
      So cool in the article, I immediately thought a kosher submarine ... a special modification. wassat
  5. Professor
    Professor April 20 2021 06: 28
    +14
    1. Laura is not a cruise missile.
    2. In the photo, not Jericho, but the Arrow anti-missile or Hetz in Hebrew.
    3. And where about Turkey? request
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 20 2021 06: 33
      -2
      Professor - about Turkey in Istanbul (Constantinople, or Constantinople)! They do not want to remember the Turks by nightfall lol
      1. Professor
        Professor April 20 2021 06: 42
        +8
        Quote: Thrifty
        Professor - about Turkey in Istanbul (Constantinople, or Constantinople)! They do not want to remember the Turks by nightfall lol

        The main troublemaker in the region is Turkey, led by Erdogan, whose policy is very difficult to calculate and calmly accept. There are peculiar games with the Kurds both at home and in Syria, and more than strained relations with the Greeks, and sidelong glances towards Israel. Plus dancing both in NATO and with Russia.

        But if the Kurds are almost an internal problem, Turkey has been a NATO member with Greece since 1952, that is, a crow will not peck out a crow's eyes, then the relationship between the Muslim world in the Middle East and Israel is an eternal topic of conversation.



        And then Roma forgot about Turkey. Absolutely. recourse
        1. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx April 20 2021 17: 39
          -1
          The main troublemaker in the region is Turkey, headed by Erdogan, whose policy is very difficult to calculate and calmly accept.

          And let Turkey's military production be demolished ...
      2. Revolver
        Revolver April 20 2021 06: 54
        -2
        Quote: Thrifty
        They don't want to commemorate the Turks by nightfall

        Why, they are scattered with the crowing of a rooster, like any other evil and undead? lol
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 20 2021 07: 56
      +20
      The article is made up of unrelated paragraphs. As if they took a large article and cut out half of the text.
      Why is Turkey here? Why Laura? Gabrielle? Where is the information about Popeye Turbo SLCM? We started counting the charges, then suddenly about Iraq, etc.
  6. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 20 2021 06: 58
    +3
    Israel is a smart state. Everything they have calculated and counted)
  7. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 20 2021 07: 19
    0
    ... The torpedo tubes are equipped with hydromechanical ejection devices for the forced ejection of underwater-based Harpoon anti-ship missiles and mines, the torpedoes usually exit the vehicles themselves.

    Is it like 'yourself'? The main engine starts directly in the pipe ??? In my understanding, 'classically' is the ejection of a torpedo from a TA with compressed air. Or not?
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 20 2021 07: 24
      +1
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      In my understanding, 'classically' is the ejection of a torpedo from a TA with compressed air.
      There is also a "self-exit", see the search for details.
    2. Simple
      Simple April 20 2021 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Is it like 'yourself'? The main engine starts directly in the pipe ??? In my understanding, 'classically' is the ejection of a torpedo from a TA with compressed air. Or not?


      Torpedoes (as well as rocket torpedoes) come out of torpedo tubes under water pressure (if we are talking about submarines using the SABZHU)
  8. stone
    stone April 20 2021 07: 25
    +4
    And it may not be the anti-ship UGM-84 "Harpoon" for underwater launch, but, for example, Gabriel MkЗ. Or LORA.

    Mk. 3 ?! So Gabriel 5 is used with might and main. The Finns have bought for themselves and the British are going like. Does Laura have anything to do with it?
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 20 2021 09: 41
    +3
    Israel's "mustache" can tug at Erdogan not only with submarines. Recently they signed a contract with Greece (more than 1 billion) on training Greek pilots in Israel. Erdogan probably really likes it. Sometimes Jews do good things. Why Israel is in the Middle East , so that Erdogan does not doze. Otherwise, do you understand with Ze in "gum kisses." Today I have a truce with Israel. drinks
  10. Hermit21
    Hermit21 April 20 2021 09: 49
    -3
    Yes, yes, a 200-kt compact nuclear warhead in a country that conducted (and even then in doubt) only one nuclear test more than 40 years ago. Does the author conduct at least minimal fact-checking?
    1. ironic
      ironic April 20 2021 16: 23
      -3
      Nobody has been conducting tests for a long time, and they are doing nuclear warheads with a capacity of 100-150 kt, but not the point. The power and presence of specific warheads in Israel has not been confirmed by anyone.
      1. Hermit21
        Hermit21 April 20 2021 20: 59
        -2
        How can you confirm what is not? The skill in compaction of nuclear warheads directly depends on the number of nuclear tests carried out. With one thing, you will make the maximum analogue of "Fat Man" with the corresponding weight and dimensions
        1. ironic
          ironic April 20 2021 21: 02
          -2
          Exactly, we do not have it. laughing
  11. iouris
    iouris April 20 2021 11: 32
    +1
    We read: in Israel "people are pragmatic and smart." Question: is it nationalism or racism?
    I quote Thatcher: "There is no (allegedly not) anti-Semitism in England, because the British do not think that the Jews are smarter than the British."
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 20 2021 12: 23
      0
      Quote: iouris
      We read: in Israel "people are pragmatic and smart." Question: is it nationalism or racism?

      This is a statement of fact, nothing more.
  12. Operator
    Operator April 20 2021 12: 43
    .
    The exchange of 200 Israeli tactical charges for a thermal / nuclear explosion of 2 Israeli reactors with 300 tons of nuclear fuel is a great option for Iran and Turkey.
    1. Shimshon
      Shimshon April 20 2021 13: 09
      +1
      And what will the Turks and Iranians use to attack? What do they have long-range to get the reactors, and when they defeat the 4-tiered missile defense? Yours wanted to assert at least something from their arsenal of attacks?
      1. Operator
        Operator April 20 2021 14: 46
        -9
        Iran is full of models of medium-range missiles, including in quantitative terms, to overcome Israel's missile defense by overloading with the use of decoys.

        Turkey may well strike at Israeli reactors with long-range S-400 missiles.

        PS Israeli subsonic cruise missiles of the French development of the 1900-shaggy year, based on diesel-electric submarines, are knocked out of a slingshot - that is, by most of the air defense systems in service with Iran and Turkey.
        Israeli aircraft carrying F-15 nuclear weapons glow on radar screens like Christmas trees and are also intercepted by S-400s even before reaching the air-to-surface missile launch line.
        Israeli ballistic missiles "Jericho" require many hours of prelaunch preparation, because they launch like the usual comic ones - with rolling out on a trailer from an underground storage, lifting and placing on the launch pad. Our S-500 complex, which is planned to be put into service, will detect and intercept the Jericho warheads at a safe distance from the targets (for it’s not a fig to shoot missiles in our direction) or not intercept if the estimated flight area of ​​the warheads ends on the territory of a NATO country Turkey bully
        1. ironic
          ironic April 20 2021 16: 21
          -1
          Not so many, according to Russian analysts, and the accuracy of these missiles does not yet allow them to be really dangerous when using conventional warheads. More dangerous is the appearance of a long-range CD.

          There is no need to rave about strikes against Israel with the help of the air defense system. Jordanian peasants have already taken out a fragment of the Syrian C-200 from their gardens after meeting with Hetz-2. Why harm Jordanian peasants?

          PS Israel is not armed with Francis means, from the word no. Again, you need to rave wisely. And we have seen more than once how the Israeli CDs go astray. All were shot down and some damage was done to the targets, and then on satellite images of emptiness, with traces of fatal destruction.
          F-15Is can carry long-range missiles, but may not be long-range enough not to come under fire, but F-35Is may precede their appearance with anti-radar missiles and their launch range is clearly greater than the F-35I's detection range.
          Complexes of the Jericho type do not roll out anywhere, they do not have external starting positions, but have piedmont starting points to which the rocket is supplied ready for launch, Iran has just begun to build similar ones, but Israel has organized it for a long time, using natural resources near Jerusalem and the northern regions of the country, and of the long-built underground positions at the Palmachim base. The C-500, in the first place, has not even entered full-fledged tests, and in the second, it will not be sold abroad, and why then Israel should be afraid of it, it is not clear.
          1. Vladislav Trofimov
            Vladislav Trofimov 1 May 2021 16: 52
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            And we have seen more than once how the Israeli CDs go astray. All were shot down and some damage was done to the targets, and then on the satellite images of the void, with traces of fatal destruction.
            today in Syria, the funeral of the S-300 crew, which successfully repelled an attack by the Israeli Air Force, took place.
            1. ironic
              ironic 2 May 2021 13: 12
              +1
              Well, yes, I did, but for some reason the targets were hit. Not the C-300, but the C-200. After one of the missiles flew all the way to the Negev, two C-200 batteries were attacked by a fur animal. About what Israel has repeatedly warned Syria, do not meddle, we are not shooting at you, but climb, do not complain.
        2. Shimshon
          Shimshon April 21 2021 09: 06
          0
          Ah, got it. Again folk tales, about the fact that I do not know, I have not seen, I have not heard of.
      2. ironic
        ironic April 20 2021 16: 35
        -1
        This is nonsense, not a wishlist. It is generally useless to attack anything there. Sorek is practically not dangerous at all, and even so it has such an overlap that only a country with the most advanced high-precision weapons could break through, and Dimona is so heavy-water, brutally protected and removed into the desert and 34 times less than the Chernobyl power unit in terms of power!
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin April 20 2021 15: 42
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      Quote: Operator
      The exchange of 200 Israeli tactical charges for a thermal / nuclear explosion of 2 Israeli reactors with 300 tons of nuclear fuel is a great option for Iran and Turkey.

      Well, what are you so itching to do, you repeat the same thing over and over again.
      Quote: Operator
      Specifically for Israel, "dirty" (radiological) bombs are not needed - it has already placed two such bombs on its territory in the form of nuclear reactors.

      I have already answered you, well, if you don’t understand, I’ll repeat.
    3. ironic
      ironic April 20 2021 16: 29
      0
      There are no 300 tons of nuclear fuel, no danger for Israel, just another illiterate nonsense. One reactor in Sorek is not dangerous at all and not even heavy water. And the Dimonsky site is small and well protected and remote from the populated area, except for one not very large city. Very difficult and completely inadequate goals.
      1. indy424
        indy424 April 23 2021 08: 54
        0
        I beg you, don't upset him, he's a good man. and writes so well, plaintively
        1. ironic
          ironic April 24 2021 23: 14
          -2
          It's a pity ... I haven't laughed like that for a long time ... lol
    4. I'm walking by
      I'm walking by April 27 2021 14: 43
      0
      Turkey, in principle, does not need a war with Israel even in a nightmare, all the more so where nuclear bombs fall, contradictions exclusively at the level of diplomatic subterfuge and legal sale of weapons to hostile countries, the damage is incomparable with benefits even with a fantastic victory scenario.
      Iran, in principle, even for Israel alone, taking into account the proxy in the person of Khmzzzbala and Hamas, is a dubious rival, while the war is being waged exclusively in one gate, because one of the most advanced and trained armies and intelligence services meets with very dubiously prepared and without a history of any significant military successes by soldiers with the main armament of the late twentieth century, or even the 70s.
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 20 2021 14: 36
    +3
    "Dolphins" is good, of course ... but "childish", as they used to say
    IN AND. Lenin. wink
    It is time for Israel to go out to adulthood - the "English version".
    Get a decent nuclear submarine, equip it with 8-12 normal MRBMs.
    And keep in the Indian Ocean. Just in case.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 20 2021 15: 55
      -1
      And we can afford this for the money?
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin April 20 2021 16: 25
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And keep in the Indian Ocean. Just in case.

      I had to meet in the media that now they keep 1-2 boats in the Indian Ocean.
  14. ironic
    ironic April 20 2021 15: 54
    -2
    LORA is a short-range ground-based ballistic missile, it cannot be launched from a submarine. Gabriel-5 anti-ship missile, it can, but can it carry TNW? Question. And its range is not suitable for strategic strikes. Rumors of the existence of a Popeye Turbo with a range of> 900 miles are present on the network, as well as reports that, without receiving permission to purchase axes, Israel has notified the United States that it will create its own delivery vehicles of comparable range. The latest information on the Internet about Jericho-3, which I happened to read, is that a rocket with a new engine flew 6400 km with a load of 1250 kg, which is comparable to the combat load of the Yars rocket, but the range is correspondingly lower. 11500km is most likely an interpolation based on payload <500kg.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin April 20 2021 17: 55
      -1
      Quote: ironic
      Jericho-3, which I happened to read this, that a rocket with a new engine flew 6400 km with a load of 1250 kg,

      Here is the translation
      The Jericho III ICBM entered service in January 2008 [159] [160] and some reports suggest that the missile may be able to carry MIRVed warheads. [161] The maximum range of Jericho III is 11500 km with a payload of 1000-1300 kg (up to six small nuclear warheads of 100 kt each or one nuclear warhead with a yield of 1 megaton), [162] [163] and its accuracy is considered high
      Shortly after the successful launch, Isaac Ben-Israel, a retired general and professor at Tel Aviv University, told Israeli Channel 2:
      Everyone can calculate and understand that the meaning is that we can get with a rocket engine to anywhere in the world.
      And last year there was such a message
      Israel is testing a rocket propulsion system, reportedly working on Jericho 4.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 20 2021 18: 36
        +2
        I have not seen anywhere that Jericho-3 is called an ICBM. recourse
        Still, this is a classic MRBM.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin April 20 2021 19: 10
          -1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Still, this is a classic MRBM.

          Different editions have different information, but I think that the real truth is nowhere to be found.
          http://www.military-today.com/missiles/jericho_3.htm
          https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Jericho_(missile)#Jericho_III
        2. ironic
          ironic April 20 2021 19: 23
          -3
          ICBM is an ICBM.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 20 2021 21: 23
            -1
            They usually write about Jericho as IRBM (Intermediate Range Ballistic Missle).
            1. ironic
              ironic April 21 2021 16: 40
              -3
              All that I read about the last 3-ke - ICBM.
      2. ironic
        ironic April 20 2021 19: 22
        -4
        Such a maximum range with maximum load is extremely doubtful. The weight of the rocket can be analyzed. Shavit is described as a launch vehicle weighing between 30 and 70T. Yars - 50T. Ie, such a spread does not make it clear how much fuel is in the rocket. I think this is deliberately confusing. And again, Yars with a similar load carries the 4th 100-150kt warhead, and the Topol-M one 0.8-1Mt. Those. 6 warheads are also possible, but somewhat optimistic.
        1. Hermit21
          Hermit21 April 20 2021 23: 33
          +2
          Yars carries 4 while START is in effect. Full load - 6. Well, in Jewish MRBMs there are no MIRVs with YABZ and cannot be. This requires experience, a lot of experience. And there are a lot of nuclear tests. The only way Israel can get more or less modern BB for the MRBM is the United States. But they themselves have an ass with warheads
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          2. ironic
            ironic April 21 2021 17: 34
            -3
            I am aware that the full load is 6, if 100-150 Kt-nnye. About what warheads Jericho-3 can carry, neither you nor I can know, because there is no information about this in open sources. The experience of creating high-precision missile warheads in Israel is very difficult, but there is very little information about ICBMs. To create nuclear fuses of 5-6 Kt, information from South African tests and their first five nuclear bombs, which they later abandoned, is quite enough, and to create thermonuclear warheads with such fuses, it is enough to simulate in research reactors with an accuracy of plus or minus. Tests are needed to get the most out of megaton ammunition, but Israel is hardly interested in such.
            Israel cannot get anything from the United States in terms of military-type nuclear technologies, this is a violation of the nonproliferation treaty. They didn't even sell the Axes to Israel.
            1. Hermit21
              Hermit21 April 21 2021 17: 38
              +2
              I know. None.
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            1. Hermit21
              Hermit21 April 21 2021 17: 40
              +2
              This is known and understandable to everyone who follows the topic at least a little.
              1. ironic
                ironic April 21 2021 17: 44
                -3
                Strange, but how did you interview everyone who follows the topic? And what was so fatal published there, only confirmed not from yellow sources?
                1. Hermit21
                  Hermit21 April 21 2021 18: 14
                  +2
                  Didn't question me in any way. What about?
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 21 2021 19: 46
                    -3
                    How do you then know what everyone knows?
                    1. Hermit21
                      Hermit21 April 21 2021 19: 50
                      +2
                      To everyone who is following the topic
                      1. ironic
                        ironic April 21 2021 20: 48
                        -3
                        Are you going to walk in a circle or explain where did you get this nonsense?
                      2. Hermit21
                        Hermit21 April 21 2021 21: 21
                        +2
                        Assembling the last physical package in 1992? Plans to resume the release of warheads in 2033-2035? Writing off 150-250 warheads a year? Termination of publications on the number of warheads from 2018? What exactly needs to be explained?
                      3. ironic
                        ironic April 25 2021 00: 15
                        -3
                        Why should they collect new charges now, if they have existing ones above the roof? Los Alamos National Laboratory is excellent at handling existing ones, including creating new versions based on existing ones. Like W76, W88 and B61. $ 3.43 billion budget for the 21st. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory W80 and W87 respectively. $ 2.02 billion budget for the 21st. Write off old charges? Commendable. They have many of them left that will not be used anywhere else. They are not needed. The need to increase the production of weapons portions of Plutonium to support the warheads in the armament will arise only by the 30th year for this build-up there is already a plan and a budget has been allocated. The strategy of resuming Trtitium production by the 30th year is still in development. It is necessary to explain why they should rush headlong to spend more money ahead of time?
                      4. Hermit21
                        Hermit21 April 25 2021 07: 10
                        +2
                        they have existing above the roof


                        Available for 2017 3822 warheads already not enough to fully equip all ICBMs and SLBMs. Things are clearly even sadder now. Nuclear AGM-86B is also not enough even for one full salvo.

                        Write off old charges? Commendable


                        Yes. It will be easier for us to carry out the operation of revenge at the turn of the 2030s.

                        They have many left that will not be used anywhere else.


                        They were written off even earlier. Now they write off W76, W88, W78, W87, W80. Nuclear bombs of the B-83 type are also written off, but the main thing is actual warheads.

                        The need to increase the production of weapons portions of Plutonium to support the warheads in the armament will arise only by the 30th

                        When living charges with such rates of "growth" will remain less than 1,5-2 thousand. The Gygymon has every chance to fulfill the PRC's requirement to join the START Treaty in the form of reducing the number of warheads to their level. True, not of their own free will.

                        there is already a plan and a budget for this increase


                        Once upon a time, they wanted to resume the production of warheads in 2017. It has been postponed and postponed, and now 2033-2035 seems to many to be too optimistic. This is because plans mean nothing in this case.
                      5. ironic
                        ironic April 25 2021 13: 38
                        -1
                        Are these only warheads from an undeployed stockpile and are there not enough of them? This is when deployed ~ 1800 according to START-3? Where do you get such fencing grass? I want one too!

                        What other retribution? Are you also delusional with Poplar? You will not be allowed to see him, I'm sure.

                        Nobody writes off actual charges, this is outrageous nonsense. Write off outdated versions of charges.

                        Is it such a dreamer? Well, no one forbade dreaming, and there is no agreement on limiting dreams.

                        The level of production of weapons-grade plutonium is resumed by the year 30, and the plans for the renewal are similar to those of Tritium. Given the irrelevance of megababs, there are more economic and political problems than actual ones. But given the recent political shifts, these problems of the Russian Federation and the Chinese
                      6. Hermit21
                        Hermit21 April 25 2021 18: 31
                        +2
                        Are these only warheads from an undeployed stockpile and are there not enough of them?

                        This is the total number of warheads deployed and non-deployed.
                        Are you also delusional with Poplar?

                        The operation will be carried out by other means.
                        Nobody writes off actual charges, this is outrageous nonsense

                        When they are 30+ years old, they write off.
                        Is it such a dreamer?

                        This is an objective reality.
                        Given the irrelevance of megababs, the problems there are more of an economic and political nature.

                        There are technological problems. There will not be any possibilities for the release of new warheads for another 12-14 years.
                        But given the recent political shifts, these problems of the Russian Federation and the Chinese

                        Degrading US SNM and NWC is a problem of the US itself
                      7. ironic
                        ironic April 25 2021 19: 03
                        -1
                        And here is not general, about which there is clearly and unequivocally open information on the network.

                        Yeah, from under the battle couch by launching the battle pot.

                        Once again, obsolete versions are written off. Neither W87-1, nor W88, nor W76-1 are written off or collected. The use of W78 in question due to strategic offensive arms.

                        Objectivity does not exist, and reality is incomprehensible.

                        For at least another 10 years, they definitely do not need new charges, they only need a weapon substance to support the existing ones.

                        They do not have this problem, all three components of the triad are planned to be replaced, each at its own time and funding has been allocated and in two cases out of three it is already involved.
                        So far, the Russian Federation has problems with the modernization of the air and replacement of the marine component, both in terms of money and in terms of execution time.
                      8. Hermit21
                        Hermit21 April 25 2021 21: 04
                        +2
                        clearly and unambiguously there is public information on the network

                        Proofs.
                        Neither W87-1, nor W88, nor W76-1 are written off or collected

                        That's right, let them go out.
                        For at least another 10 years, they definitely do not need new charges, they only need a weapon substance to support the existing ones.

                        That is, there is no need to renew the strategic nuclear forces, replace the degraded nuclear warheads, and try to resume production. OK OK.
                        all three components of the triad are planned for replacement

                        Someone has already updated it by 80%.
                        So far, the Russian Federation has problems with the modernization of the air and replacement of the marine component, both in terms of money and in terms of execution time.

                        In your parallel world, it is possible. And here - the modernization of the long-range aviation fleet, the massive purchases of X-102, 4 4th generation SSBNs equipped with Bulava. Problems in the United States, in which Ohio will begin to be written off in 2026, AGM-86B is physically 30+ years old, B-52H is collected from a landfill
                      9. ironic
                        ironic April 25 2021 21: 29
                        0
                        Find and read documents on the reports of the congressional commissions. They are not classified.

                        I have already listed the labs that are responsible for keeping these heads efficient, and even wrote a budget.

                        The planned update has been made public, the budget has been allocated. Labs support the necessary warheads, I brought them to you.

                        The ground is 80% updated, it looks like the truth. But here's the air ... how many Tu-160s have been upgraded to M? How many M2 have been produced? How many new submarines are in combat condition? Here is the answer to where they should hurry.

                        This is in your world of Wishlist. Bulk purchases of the X-102 are small-scale by American standards. You still have only one full-fledged 4th generation SSBN, maybe soon there will be two, the first three can be considered generation 3.5 with a stretch, despite the fact that Bulava did not even reach the capabilities of D5 LTE, and E6 is planned, in the middle of the release of new Columbia. Well, right in the 21st, the Columbia project begins, in 5 years the first will come down, you can write off the first Ohio. God grant Russia such a dump Tu-160, from which you can take and put a bomber on real combat duty. I'm not even talking about the cannibalization of suitable spare parts.

                        PS LRSO will replace the nuclear 86th by the 30th, and the conventional one is already replacing the JASSM-ER.
                      10. Hermit21
                        Hermit21 April 25 2021 22: 45
                        +2
                        Find and read congressional committee reports

                        Well, you will show it, if not classified.
                        The planned update has been announced, the budget has been allocated.

                        It was once planned to start in 2017. Already, many have doubts about 2033-2035.
                        Labs support the necessary warheads, I brought them to you

                        And they also write them off. And "maintenance" consists in shuffling, where possible, the fissile material between the nuclear warheads.
                        How many Tu-160s have been upgraded to M?

                        Up to M "first stage" - I think, not less than half.
                        Bulk purchases of X-102 are small-scale by American standards

                        Hundreds of one and a half or two a year - small-scale? OK. Yes, even a hundred - the Americans can only dream of such a rate of release of nuclear missile defense systems for their long-range aviation. And this is only one type of KRBD, excluding the Kh-55SM, 3M14, 9M728 and 9M729. There, the total bill obviously goes to hundreds a year, and there is no information at all about nuclear ones.
                        Full-fledged 4th generation SSBN you still have one

                        How did you determine whether it was full or incomplete?
                        The mace did not even reach the capabilities of D5 LTE

                        Up to real with real load configurations - perfectly competes.
                        in 5 years the first will come down

                        The head one has already moved at least by 2031. At the turn of the 2030s, there will be 3-4 combat-ready SSBNs, which will be forced to spin like a squirrel in a wheel and drain the remaining resource even faster.
                        God grant Russia such a dump Tu-160, from which you can take and put on real combat duty a bomber

                        First, the analogue of the B-52H is the Tu-95MS (M). Secondly, there are more of them.
                        LRSO will replace nuclear 86 by 30

                        Judging by the fact that the AGM-86B is already not enough for a full salvo, taking into account the decommissioning of the YaBZ, their number will come out completely scanty.

                        It's ridiculous to read how all the Americans supposedly hurt yourself when nuclear weapons are in the ass, YABZ is 30+ years old and sawing 150-250 a year, 40-45 + ICBMs, 24+ SSBNs, 60+ bombers, 30+ nuclear cruise missiles, the terms float to the right. And we have all this, except for bombers, is actively produced and updated. The Americans are also trying, but their main problems are the lack of release of warheads and their active write-off, as well as the lack of release of carriers.
                      11. ironic
                        ironic April 26 2021 17: 35
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                        I didn’t drink brotherhood with you. In 20 minutes I found several documents in access, do not pour out and you, I'm not your secretary.

                        For many who have it? Read the documentation, not the media analysts. Everything is there with budgets and plans for years.

                        I have already mentioned which are cheated and which are supported. I see no reason to repeat it.

                        Do you think or do you know? According to open data, there are only 16 of them on alert. I know how much has been upgraded to M from open data, but you seem not to.

                        Hundreds and a half a year in dreams. Wet and very erotic. These are the US average production capacities to which the Russian Federation still needs to grow and grow.

                        Easily determined, the first three SSBNs were built from the stock of hulls of other types of boats and could not meet the set of requirements for the 4th generation purely technically. This is an improved generation 3+. By the way, many Russian military observers, of those who are not infected with grunts, are writing about this.

                        What is real, I do not know, but I know the open data of manufacturers and they say the opposite. The START restrictions on the number of warheads do not speak of capabilities, they say how many warheads are on alert.

                        Colombia has not moved, and it is assumed that it will go on the first full-fledged combat patrol in the 31st year. Those. in the 30th, all tests will be completed completely, the boat will be put into service and the boat will be equipped with all the necessary types of weapons. So if the boat is launched in the 26th, then they plan to spend 4 years on everything else. Considering the usually longer lead times for the first boat, this is normal. Especially if the fate that the first Ohio will be written off in the 29th year, your inventions are only your inventions.

                        44 MCMs are already obsolete and only 16 MCMs have been modernized. How many modernized Hs Americans have combat readiness? 76 and 18 more are in storage and can be upgraded and returned to service. The engine replacement program for new ones also has funding until the 24th.

                        I don't know who America lacks, but the Russian Federation lacks strategic aviation with updated aviation on alert, that's for sure. And if things go on like this, then by the 30th year, at best, 4 dozen planes will fly, i.e. less than half of what the Americans will fly and this is an optimistic scenario.

                        Well, who is to blame for such a lag in technology, if American SSBNs were originally designed for 40+ years, Russian SSBNs will be in emergency a little more, and new ones are going down as fast as the Americans are building aircraft carriers. Naval ICBMs D5 LTE, and after so many years in terms of performance characteristics, are stronger than the new Mace to such an extent that they are going to make the new E6 already in the middle of the release of Columbia. The Americans have almost all strategic aviation of past generations in service and with updated avionics, and at the same time 20 more stealths and a new generation are already being assembled in the first copies, and the Russian Federation has already two missile carriers upgraded to M1 and one experimental M2 model on rollout, and the modernization of the last generation limps on both legs. The problem of the Americans is the buildup of production and the dragging of the budget, but when they put something on the flow ... the Russian Federation can only dream about such rates of flows as American production has.
                      12. Hermit21
                        Hermit21 April 26 2021 22: 51
                        +1
                        The burden of proof lies with the approver. Go ahead, Fatima
                      13. ironic
                        ironic April 27 2021 11: 26
                        0
                        I am not proving anything to you, I am sharing knowledge about the availability of information. Is Fatima your wife?
                    2. Hermit21
                      Hermit21 April 26 2021 23: 37
                      +1
                      Apparently, 76 combat-ready B-52s are in the same place as 62 combat-ready B-1s. That is, nowhere. 36 fortresses in the ranks, 60-70 are out of the question. And their modernization, mainly in the direction of expanding conventional capabilities

                      A normal person will realize that since they did not hesitate to release more than 150 newest CDs even in the wretched Mahmuds in the desert, then with the release of KRBD, at least everything is fine.

                      Originally, the first Columbia launch on BS was planned for 2030, and there is no guarantee that it will not move yet. Well, until the Americans lower their head, we will already have several 955A. Bloody Russians and here ahead, what are you going to do.

                      The super characteristics of Trident, which walk from site to site, are unattainable with any of the real configurations. There are either 4 BBs of 100 kt per 11300 km, or the maximum PN at 7800 km. None of these configurations are in service. Real Trident flies ~ 9800 with 1,3 tons of load. Well, how would it be, the Bulava is 1,6 times lighter, and thanks to the compaction of YaBZ, 1150 kg is enough for 6 BB of 250 kt each, and for a decent PCB missile defense
                    3. ironic
                      ironic April 27 2021 12: 04
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                      Combat-ready B-1B 45 after the removal from service of the 33, and then 17. But they are not part of the nuclear triad and are deprived of nuclear weapons control systems in 91 under the treaty. This is also in open sources. But probably nowhere in your Wishlist. This has little to do with reality.

                      Again, in your Wishlist, and for some reason the GDP was talking about 112 hit targets for the entire time of launches. The Russian Federation needed to properly test the new weapon, which it did. The United States fired half of all your launches in Syria in one hit. I have not argued that the production of Calibers has not been established, but you are still very far from such streaming production as in the States.

                      I do not know when it was planned in your view, but the first was planned for this year, and the second for the 24th, and nothing has changed yet. Until you finish the 10 Borei series, the Americans seem to also finish or at least build a significant part of Columbia, given the much more technologically advanced Ohio, which was originally designed to serve for 40+ years than your Dolphins, which will soon become hazardous, and will extend their lifespan there are practically no actual means and possibilities, it is you have much more problems with SSBN combat duty than they have.

                      Trident D5 LTE equipped with six W76-1 / 2 warheads is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 13 thousand kilometers, and the maximum load for it is either 8 W88 blocks or 14 W76-0 / 1/2 at 7600-8500 km, depending on the warhead ... By the way, this is also quite findable information. A mace with 6 blocks of 100-150kt, at best flies at 9000km (9300km maximum range) and with a maximum load of 10 blocks at 8300km. At the same time, the hitting accuracy of the W76-1 was brought to 90m, and the W76-2 to 70m. Bulava cannot boast of anything like that. 250kt combat warheads are also the fruit of your wishes, and not really existing unification with YARS. And it is smaller because of an attempt to inherit the workings of Poplar, to the family of which YARS also belongs.
                    4. Hermit21
                      Hermit21 April 27 2021 22: 21
                      +1
                      By the 2030s, Americans will have problems with BS. Several hundred CRBDs per year is "very little"? The Americans have the same volumes. Trident hasn't had a configuration with 14 BB for a long time. It is corny there is no BB. And for any 13 or even 11 thousand km from 6 BB it does not fly.
                      Bulava cannot boast of anything like it

                      You just know the real KVO BB SLBM RSM-56, yeah. :)
                      250kt combat warheads are also the fruit of your wishes

                      The real power of our warheads has not been disclosed anywhere, and the 0,7 kg / 1 kt line was taken long ago. True, with 6 250-kt BB there will be no weight left for the KSP ABM, but in principle there is nothing unattainable in such power.
                    5. ironic
                      ironic April 27 2021 22: 37
                      -1
                      I hear about the problems of the Americans, I do not remember from what year, but they are all nothing, they cope, not without their problems and troubles, but as a whole they hold on. That is not hundreds, better than thousands at once. When you get to the lemons, call me, otherwise it's not interesting. repeat

                      Yeah, just like in a joke, you don't see mine, but she is. Maximum configurations are not on alert due to strategic offensive arms, but this is the case for the Russian Federation in the same spirit. No, she doesn't fly, she can't fly at all. She teleports 3 meters, no more, it is no longer patriotic. Although it is believed that with 4 charges of standard combat duty under the contract, it hits anywhere in the world from anywhere, but this is not patriotic, I understand. wink

                      I personally do not know, but those who observe the test launches from the opposite side know, and they periodically merge their opinions, which are not patriotic for a certain audience, in the English-speaking sector of the network, and I can read. wink

                      The unattainable may not be, but it is not cheap to produce warheads and the desire for unification takes place, although not the same as that of the Americans, but the direction is correct. In addition, again, there are those who, from the opposite side, build a forecast with what they will have to deal with and some of these forecasts are published, they are devoid of advertising and political add-ons. It is interesting to read them from time to time. smile
                    6. Hermit21
                      Hermit21 April 27 2021 23: 14
                      +1
                      That is not hundreds, better than thousands at once. When you get to the lemons, call me, otherwise it's not interesting

                      Oh, the hyperbolization has gone. :)
                      Maximum configurations are not on alert due to START

                      And in view of the cut of the rotten warheads. 6-8 is the maximum.
                      it is believed that with 4 charges of standard combat duty under the contract, it hits anywhere in the world from anywhere

                      Doing two loops around the Earth, yeah.
                      No, she doesn't fly, she can't fly at all. She teleports 3 meters, no more, it's not patriotic anymore

                      It is amusing to observe how an opponent, confident that my refutation of certain aspects is equal to a denial of characteristics as a whole, begins to fall into exaggeration and opposition.
                      the desire for unification has a place to be, although not the same as that of the Americans

                      And what about the Americans? We have a unified MIRV with unified BB for Yars and Bulava. And what about them?
                    7. ironic
                      ironic April 27 2021 23: 28
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                      Well, then there was nowhere to go, you have already reached there.

                      Well, yes, and there are 3 more charges in storage ... let's go better to hyperbolization, call me shorter.

                      This is not what Sarmat will do three turns, otherwise why would a 200T pipe be fenced off. There are not enough monuments or something ...

                      Well, funny and okay. Personally, when I read about the pace of modernization and renewal of two of the three components of the Russian tradition, I fall into exaggeration, you are into uryak, everyone chooses their own attitude.

                      They have unification for the marine component on duty two warheads and for the ground two warheads, and there will most likely be one. You also have two warheads for YARS. Unification only one by one - low-power.
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  • mvg
    mvg April 20 2021 23: 05
    +4
    I read some nonsense. Jumps from the fifth to the tenth, and the material is late for 5-7 years ... Also ballistics on the diesel-electric submarine through a torpedo tube ... and the May holidays escho did not start .. Uzhos is too mildly said
    1. ironic
      ironic April 21 2021 19: 47
      -3
      Well, yes, about Laura is written nonsense. About the possibilities of turning the anti-ship missile into a nuclear one too. This is yes.
      1. mvg
        mvg April 21 2021 20: 51
        0
        about Laura, nonsense is written

        And not only about the ballistic OTR Laura. Nonsense for Ierekhon 3, not complete data on diesel-electric submarines Dolphin ... although this is 1999-2011. and the article is simply drawn without a clear plan. Not a word about Papayo
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 April 20 2021 23: 27
    -1
    Fuck what Uncle Chaim's tales are in the comments. Israeli tactical nuclear weapons, ICBMs, almost a nuclear triad, anti-ship missiles with nuclear warheads, long-range missile defense systems ... "But in reality, we, son, have two whores and an old bugger" (c)
    1. agond
      agond April 21 2021 17: 53
      +1
      The author cited the incredible characteristics of the VNZU
      ". The cruising range of the" dolphin "with VNEU is estimated at 8 miles on the surface and 000 miles underwater."
      4500 miles, this is about 1.5 months underwater underwater at a speed of 4 knots, how did any of them manage to achieve this?
      1. ironic
        ironic April 21 2021 21: 08
        -2
        Without VNEU -> over 400 nautical miles.
    2. ironic
      ironic April 21 2021 19: 50
      -3
      Nobody knows anything about Israel's nuclear weapons. Assumptions on scraps of information from open sources and data on the stocks of weapons-grade Uranium and Plutonium. The test of the KR at 900 miles of range, became the property of publicity almost by accident.
      1. Hermit21
        Hermit21 April 21 2021 20: 25
        +1
        About that there is nothing and nothing will be known. And in general, when it comes to the products of the Israeli military-industrial complex, one should recall the aforementioned anecdote about the difference between "potential" and "real"
        1. ironic
          ironic April 21 2021 20: 51
          0
          The reality is incomprehensible, and the products of the Israeli military-industrial complex are either known from open sources, or not known, i.e. classified. We have discussed here many speculations based on scraps of the well-known. But these are not products of the Israeli military-industrial complex.
  • Just a Traveler
    Just a Traveler 16 June 2021 15: 00
    +2
    Well done Israelis.
  • Glagol1
    Glagol1 18 July 2021 13: 24
    0
    "Israel is a peaceful country that does not threaten its neighbors" ???? !!
    Where did this come from? They regularly fly to Syria and bomb whatever they want. Even if there are, and they are, anti-Israeli forces on the territory of Syria, this is not a reason to bomb a neighboring country. What they have done in Lebanon is a nightmare.
    So this threat is real and the threshold of tolerance for these people is low. Not what we have. A problem for the whole world, a conflict between Jews and Arabs.
    Nuclear weapons of course, and stabilizes great. I hope it never comes to that. But if nuclear weapons appear in the chevtoblakitnykh, then it will be tin.