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Close the Nord Stream 2 project or supply missiles to Kiev: Europe is discussing how to respond to Russia because of the situation in Ukraine

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German politician Manfred Weber of the Christian Social Union leads the right-wing conservative European People's Party and has chaired its faction in the European Parliament since 2014. The other day he told the press that if the tension between Russia and Ukraine does not subside, Nord Stream 2 will no longer be able to hold on. Then the project will be closed.


German politicians discuss "decisive response" to Russia


According to Weber, Russian President Vladimir Putin is deliberately aggravating the situation and creating real threats to Ukraine, using Russia's military superiority. According to the German politician, such actions pose a serious danger to the European Union, along with other manifestations of "Russian aggression", to which Weber referred to "cyberattacks, disinformation, murders."

In connection with the situation in Ukraine, Weber submitted new sanctions against our country for discussion by the European Parliament. According to Weber, the current sanctions against Russia testify to the unity of the US and the EU, but if an escalation of the conflict takes place in eastern Ukraine, then Russia will have to give a decisive rebuff. So, as one of the extreme measures, Weber considers the exclusion of Russia from the international SWIFT system.


Manfred Weber has chaired the EPP in the European Parliament since 2014

In addition, as the German politician notes, Russia can be influenced by creating obstacles to the construction and launch of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Weber proposes to give Russia the opportunity to complete the construction of the SP-2, but at the same time to make the gas flow directly dependent on the behavior of the Russian authorities. If it does not suit the West in relation to the situation in Ukraine, then gas supplies through the pipeline can be stopped.

Another German politician, Alexander Lambsdorf of the Free Democratic Party, adheres to the same position. He also proposes to make Russia understand that if Moscow continues to "prepare a military operation against Ukraine," then the SP-2 project will be closed. The representative of Christian Democrats in the European Parliament Michael Galer went even further: he said that Europe should supply Ukraine with defensive weapon.

If there are Russian Tanks, then the Ukrainians should have anti-tank missiles so that they can defend themselves as soon as the Russian army crosses the border,

- stressed Galer.

A softer position is traditionally taken by representatives of Austria. So far, Vienna has spoken out against the next anti-Russian sanctions, although they express concern about Moscow's policy towards Kiev.

The reaction of ordinary Europeans


The opinion of ordinary Europeans on this matter is interesting.

The pipeline should at least be suspended until Russia makes real concessions. Because as soon as it starts working, Russia will get even more effective leverage,

- emphasizes one of the commentators of Die Zeit.

Naturally, there are many familiar comments about “despot Putin” and the need to abandon the gas pipeline altogether, since Europe allegedly does not need it. Well, in Washington, they probably know better than the Germans or the French themselves about the energy needs of their countries.

However, there are also more adequate opinions. Thus, Vater von Luthien recalls that one should not blame only Russia for military preparations:

There are no reports anywhere that the US and NATO are moving 30 people and 15 pieces of military equipment to the Russian border at the same time - right now.


The Italian Alessandro Lucca also took part in the discussion. He's writing:

Italy participates in the SP-2 project and will continue to support construction. After all, Italy is still interested in good relations with Russia, and the European Union should refrain from such remarks.


As you can see, not everyone in Europe is hostile towards Russia, but on the whole, the level of negative attitude is growing, and this is the direct fault of those very European politicians who sign new agreements with Russia with one hand and anti-Russian sanctions with the other. As for the future SP-2, it will still be determined by figures with a political rank much higher than the numerous factionalists of the European Parliament.
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  1. New Year day
    New Year day April 19 2021 16: 22
    -1
    "Completion close." Cross out the unnecessary. In autumn everything will be decided
    1. NIKN
      NIKN April 19 2021 16: 33
      +5
      Close the Nord Stream 2 project or deliver missiles to Kiev
      Insanity or provocation? Logically, Ukraine is not threatened or shone, maybe in Ukraine to look for a way out? It seems like there are still a bunch of options, but if they still wanted good for Ukraine, they would have collected options in three volumes.
      1. For example
        For example April 19 2021 17: 17
        0
        Putin has long outlined - in case of a naughty we will cover the decision-making centers.
        The stupid German apparently thinks that the Russians in the Ukraine will get along with each other, and the Nazis will sit out in Germany.
        They say we will put weapons on Ukraine and we will contemplate from afar on a fratricidal war.

        In this scenario, a scribe from the east will come to the Ukrainian fascists and this animal will come to the German fascists. And no border guards will stop him.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov April 21 2021 16: 13
          -1
          And here the American mongrels from Germany barked! Only this is all useless: German business, Merkel and Laschet say YES to Nord Stream 2!
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 19 2021 17: 11
      +6
      I think it will be decided sooner. But in any case, it will be a shot in the leg for the EU. Well, nothing good for us.
      1. keeper03
        keeper03 April 19 2021 20: 49
        +7
        For us, the Iron Curtain is just right - in the conditions of which, as history has shown, we can live and develop beautifully !!! So you need to continue to defend your interests! yes laughing
    3. hohohol
      hohohol April 19 2021 18: 32
      +9
      Precisely in the fall! In September, old Merkel will retire. And what would she occupy herself with if not distributing gas. An old hag will perch at the gas valve and, together with Schroeder, will distribute gas flows across Europe - he sits on the first line, it on the second. Good job in retirement.
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 19 2021 18: 59
        +2
        She will deal with the distribution of elephants. In the gas business, everything is already divided (I mean briefcases and armchairs)
    4. keeper03
      keeper03 April 19 2021 20: 47
      -2
      There is no need to anger Russia, otherwise everyone will feel bad! No. You will fly and fart all the way to America !!! angry stop
      1. keeper03
        keeper03 April 20 2021 19: 39
        0
        What, it became scary? wassat Ah, minusoids ?! soldier
    5. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 19 2021 23: 53
      +8
      Quote: Silvestr
      "Completion close." Cross out the unnecessary. In autumn everything will be decided

      If everything were so simple, the question would not be "so simple" at all.
      Considering that the gas pipeline's capacities have already been bought out for 17 years ahead, while 25% of its capacities remain free for other suppliers, it can be assumed that the usual dramatization of the "decisive resistance" of the German politicians is underway to pacify the main economic enemy of SP-2 represented by the United States. The ground part of the German SP-2 has already been tested and is working by transferring gas flowing through the SP-1, waiting for a full load after the completion of welding of the outermost pipes of the SP-2. It must be admitted that the actions of the mattresses to oppose the construction of the SP-2 stimulated the "allies" to play the dark. It would be impossible for an adult to fit into the project and get his share, the mattresses stupidly decided to lay their paws on the entire gas market in Europe, which cannot suit European business. If there were no obvious benefits, then nothing would have forced Europe to fit into this project even at the stage of its approval, and when more than 10 billion dollars have already been invested in the project, it is hardly so easy to force them to abandon it. The Germans received gas from the USSR even at a time when its army was behind the fence in the GDR, and now, when there is no threat of military invasion, it is clearly not in their interests to lose billions of dollars in income from some kind of murky Ukraine.
  2. KAV
    KAV April 19 2021 16: 23
    +17
    But if you think about it, for a second, a funny thing will become clear. Here are all those German politicians who are drowning for the abolition of the SP-2, they are not just puppets of the United States, they are also enemies of Germany, it turns out. After all, they are trying to deprive Germany of a profitable deal and business in the future with their statements. That is, they conduct subversive activities against their state in the interests of the United States.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 19 2021 16: 35
      +8
      Quote: KAV
      That is, they conduct subversive activities against their state in the interests of the United States.

      It's just that the USA is more interesting for them as a partner .. so there is nothing subversive there. There, the sales market for German goods is ten times higher than in the Russian Federation .. But when money flows from the Russian Federation to offshore ... there is really subversive work .. in the interests of the United States.
      1. For example
        For example April 19 2021 17: 12
        +12
        Quote: Svarog
        There, the sales market for German goods is ten times higher than in the Russian Federation.

        Many German factories are now located in China. Those who remained in Germany are forced to compete with Chinese manufacturers. The price of energy resources is an important component in the cost price.

        And the US market does not belong to the Germans. There will be more Chinese goods.

        So, everything is not so simple, comrade Svarog. wink

        But regarding the withdrawal of the dough from Russia, I agree with you - an anti-state matter, moreover, anti-people. drinks
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 19 2021 19: 05
          +1
          Production, yes. And the offices are in Germany. They both distribute finances and exercise control. And at many factories in Germany, you won't even see the Germans themselves in the shops. Only at the plant management.
      2. Vladimir Lenin
        Vladimir Lenin April 19 2021 17: 19
        +12
        Here is a double-edged sword, Germany can export its goods at competitive prices for a trillion dollars, only on condition of an uninterrupted supply of cheap energy from Russia. There will be no them, there will be no German economy of the economy in its present form. That is, the situation will repeat itself as with the Third Reich!
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 19 2021 17: 35
          +2
          That's interesting. I work at a factory where all German equipment is "Buhler". They already blocked the breathing valve for us about six years ago. According to the automated process control system, products are dual-use.
          1. poquello
            poquello April 19 2021 18: 04
            +1
            Quote: 210ox
            APCS

            simaki?
            1. 210ox
              210ox April 19 2021 18: 07
              +1
              Yes, by cinematographers "Simatic".
              1. poquello
                poquello April 19 2021 18: 11
                +1
                Quote: 210ox
                Yes, by cinematographers "Simatic".

                and what exactly have stopped selling? S7-400 and higher?
                1. 210ox
                  210ox April 19 2021 18: 55
                  +1
                  Yes, we agreed with them recently. They then for any need a sales market. Personally, in my work, I switched to the "Aries" product. Okay, let's not offtopic. Yours faithfully hi
      3. KAV
        KAV April 19 2021 23: 18
        -1
        Quote: Svarog
        It's just that the USA is more interesting for them as a partner ..
        In what place is the USA more interesting for them? Really in terms of energy? Buy liquefied gas from them at an exorbitant price? Is this called more interesting? But...
        Quote: Svarog
        There, the sales market for German goods is ten times higher
        So with expensive energy resources, they will sadly give way to those countries that have cheaper energy resources.
        Quote: Svarog
        But when money flows from the Russian Federation to offshore ... there is really subversive work ... in the interests of the United States.
        Well, how can we do without it ... Nothing that the topic of news and discussion about something else. You need to expel from yourself the stench that interferes with breathing towards our country, like everyone around is stealing and taken to offshore, and only one truth-teller Svarog sits at a broken trough ... What a pain!
    2. gsev
      gsev April 19 2021 17: 10
      0
      Quote: KAV
      they are not just puppets of the United States, they are also enemies of Germany, it turns out.

      It's just that the West is pursuing a policy of economic containment of Russia. Russia has consistently invested in the pipeline system of Ukraine, Bulgaria, Turkey and Germany. As a result, I only lost money. Therefore, it is necessary to abandon the sale of gas to Europe via pipelines and adopt a retaliatory policy of containing Europe. The sooner Russia refuses to build the SP-2, the less money it will lose.
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg April 19 2021 17: 22
        +7
        The money for SP-2 has already been spent, finish building, do not finish building. Half (or slightly more) of the EU money.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 19 2021 20: 39
          +22
          Quote: MaikCG
          Half (or slightly more) of the EU money.

          - private investors, but not states. Plus there is insurance
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke April 20 2021 00: 52
            0
            Quote: Overlock
            Quote: MaikCG
            Half (or slightly more) of the EU money.

            - private investors, but not states. Plus there is insurance

            It is logical to assume that if there is insurance for half of the investments, then there is also insurance for the second. hi
          2. Maikcg
            Maikcg April 20 2021 04: 10
            +1
            The project participants are so large that it is somewhat frivolous to say that there are entirely private traders.
            Wintershall 100% BASF, well, there are many shareholders, I'm too lazy to look for everyone
            Uniper if I'm not mistaken 75% at Fortum, which is the state Finnish
            Royal Dutch Shell has a lot of shareholders, but looking at history, one can conclude on behalf of Naglicans), but let's skip, trusts own
            OMV has a decisive stake of 31,5% at the state-owned OIAG, ​​50 at the exchange.
            Engie again has the largest 35% stake in the French government.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 19 2021 17: 24
        +1
        Quote: gsev
        The sooner Russia refuses to build the SP-2, the less money it will lose.

        I agree with you. It is the oil and gas needle on which the Russian economy has been planted that is so attractive to Russian oligarchs. The country's natural resources make it possible to manage with a minimum of imports, and the economy is arranged in such a way that it has become problematic to produce final goods. But speculation has never been the engine of progress.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny April 20 2021 13: 42
          +2
          It is the oil and gas needle on which the Russian economy was put

          First, they put the economy of the USSR on this needle. The main foreign exchange earnings came from the pipe. Can you tell me who planted it?
    3. 210ox
      210ox April 19 2021 17: 13
      -3
      A good deal for Germany to lie under the United States.
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke April 20 2021 00: 56
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        A good deal for Germany to lie under the United States.

        The striped not only have a printing press, but also the habit of leaving without paying.
    4. Yura
      Yura April 19 2021 17: 34
      +7
      Quote: KAV
      After all, with their statements they are trying to deprive Germany of a profitable deal and business in the future.

      Countries participating in the project (for 2020):
      Russia (Gazprom);
      Germany (E.ON, BASF, Wintershall, Uniper);
      Netherlands and Great Britain (Shell, Wasco Coatings Europe BV);
      Austria ("OMV");
      France ("Engie");
      Czech Republic (NET4Gas);
      Finland (Fortum, Wasco);
      Switzerland (Allseas AG);
      Malta (Pioneering Spirit);
      Slovakia;
      Norway (Kvaerner).
      The gas pipeline would help save money, since transportation along the new route will cost 20% less than transit through Ukraine ($ 2,1 per 1 cubic meters per 100 km instead of $ 2,5 for the same volume). Thus, Gazprom will save $ 1 billion a year. And this is in addition to the fact that gas from Russia is relatively cheap and certainly cheaper than from the United States, which makes it possible for the European industry to be competitive in the world market. And yes, the initiators of the construction of JV 2 were representatives of European states, which once again emphasizes the profitability and necessity of the project for them.
      1. gsev
        gsev April 19 2021 18: 34
        -1
        Quote: Jura
        And yes, the initiators of the construction of JV 2 were representatives of European states

        However, one should not forget that the Europeans will try to squeeze out profits when transporting gas through oil pipelines.
        1. Yura
          Yura April 19 2021 18: 54
          0
          I agree, but these are already technical issues of a different kind and are decided behind the scenes, so to speak, by the interested parties of both parties, in this case the negotiation processes and the availability of instruments of influence for them.
  3. Woodman
    Woodman April 19 2021 16: 24
    +4
    then the SP-2 project will be closed.
    I wonder if he really thinks that this will help Europe to increase pressure on Russia, or is he just lobbying the interests of the United States on LNG supplies to Europe?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 19 2021 16: 41
      -4
      Quote: Lesovik
      will this help Europe to increase pressure on Russia, or is he simply lobbying for US interests for LNG supplies to Europe?

      Let them argue logically: lobbying will bring LNG not so much from the United States as from the Arabs. This will entail a reduction in revenue from gas exports from Russia. A decrease in foreign exchange earnings is a budget cut, and this is a decrease in everything inside the country
      1. Vladimir Lenin
        Vladimir Lenin April 19 2021 17: 22
        +4
        Therefore, by extending the hostilities to the entire Middle East, you can deprive Europe of oil and gas!
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 19 2021 19: 20
          -6
          Quote: Vladimir Lenin
          Therefore, by extending the hostilities to the entire Middle East, you can deprive Europe of oil and gas!

          But this is, nezya!
      2. Yura
        Yura April 19 2021 18: 14
        +3
        Quote: Silvestr
        Let them argue logically: lobbying will bring LNG not so much from the United States as from the Arabs. This will entail a reduction in revenue from gas exports from Russia. A decrease in foreign exchange earnings is a budget cut, and this is a decrease in everything inside the country

        It is logical to argue like this - Lobbying will give the flow of LNG from the USA, Arab countries beyond what they are buying nowFor Russia, these funds are additional receipts, there can be no talk of any cuts, no reduction in "foreign exchange earnings, budget cuts, and this is a reduction in everything within the country."
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 19 2021 19: 20
          -8
          Quote: Jura
          there can be no talk of any cuts, no reduction in "foreign exchange earnings

          Then see the results for 2020
          1. Yura
            Yura April 19 2021 19: 27
            +4
            Are you saying that Russia has not yet built SP2 and has not sold a single cubic meter of gas through it, already in 2020 it lost funds of which it did not exist and could not exist yet?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 19 2021 20: 19
              -6
              Quote: Jura
              Are you saying that Russia has not yet built SP2 and has not sold a single cubic meter of gas through it, already in 2020 it lost funds of which it did not exist and could not exist yet?


              There was a rather sharp decrease in the export of crude oil (by $ 5,4 billion, or by 21,1%), oil products (by $ 3,9 billion, or by 17,4%), as well as liquefied gas (by 1,1, $ 61,1 billion, or 3,2%). Only the export of natural gas increased (by $ 44,4 billion, or 51,3%). In general, on an annual basis, the total volume of Russia's hydrocarbon exports decreased from $ 45,1 billion to $ 22,1 billion, or by XNUMX%.
              Energy Minister Aleksandra Novak (2018): in the next three years, Russia may slightly increase oil production (from 553 million to 570 million tons per year). And then, if you do not take any action, production will begin to decline and within 14 years production will almost halve - from the then level of 11 million barrels per day to 6 million.
              In addition, the EU is preparing to introduce special duties on hydrocarbons, incl. and for us.
              The downward trend in Russia's foreign exchange earnings from hydrocarbon exports and a reduction in the trade surplus is evident and will continue to grow.
              1. Yura
                Yura April 19 2021 20: 43
                +4
                Well, I don't see what SP2 has to do with it. What you wrote about has a place to be, but -
                Quote: Lesovik
                then the SP-2 project will be closed.
                I wonder if he really thinks that this will help Europe to increase pressure on Russia, or is he just lobbying the interests of the United States on LNG supplies to Europe?

                Quote: Silvestr
                Let them argue logically: lobbying will bring LNG not so much from the United States as from the Arabs. This will entail a reduction in revenue from gas exports from Russia. A decrease in foreign exchange earnings is a budget cut, and this is a decrease in everything inside the country

                In this case, we are talking about SP2, you were simply not correct. You had the right thoughts and examples, but on a different topic.
                1. poquello
                  poquello April 19 2021 20: 59
                  +4
                  Quote: Jura
                  You had the right thoughts and examples, but on a different topic.

                  about the "faithful" I would have doubted against the background of agreements on OPEC quotas and so forth.
                  1. Yura
                    Yura April 19 2021 21: 11
                    +3
                    Quote: poquello
                    about the "faithful" I would have doubted against the background of agreements on OPEC quotas and so forth.

                    May be so.
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 19 2021 16: 25
    +4
    Well, let us, with your idiot actions to support your pet clown and nationalists in the uk-roine, untie our hands for a forceful response to the eternal provocations. Rotten cheap stuff, they forgot when Kiev was stealing gas from the pipe, Russia compensated for its shortage from its own pocket. A hundred Natsiks would have pokashmarit this rotten evroskhodnyak, sabotage, fires, murders and shelling of peaceful people, perhaps with a creak, their brains work. Although, it is unlikely, by inertia, Russia will again be blamed for everything, the madmen. ...
  5. Deniska999
    Deniska999 April 19 2021 16: 26
    -1
    "For May, Gazprom booked additional capacities for pumping gas through Ukraine in the amount of 15 million cubic meters per day - higher than in previous months."
    That's it, the war with Ukraine is finally canceled.
    1. nnm
      nnm April 19 2021 16: 50
      +4
      I saw this "peremozhnuyu" news in ukroSMI. But in reality it is worthless. Until 2024, we have a "download or pay" contract with Ukraine, so we have been paying for the entire contractual volume when pumping volumes below the contract values ​​for a long time.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 April 19 2021 16: 51
      +1
      Just to your comment, I must add that Gazprom forced Europe to empty its gas storage facilities below the minimum rate and now the injection is only 7% higher than the flow rate. Supplies increased not only through Ukraine, but also along the northern stream 1.
      1. Asad
        Asad April 19 2021 17: 44
        0
        Could it be that the cold winter emptied the storages of Europe? And Gazprom will fill them all summer?
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 April 19 2021 19: 11
          +1
          Since January, Gazprom has not increased gas supplies to the Ukrainian direction and even stopped trading on its electronic exchange, forcing Europe to raise gas from storage, last year gas was cheap. Europe was stocked with it as best it could. And the frosts in March and early April helped. Usually ends in Europe. the heating season is at the beginning of March, but we had to heat it up until April 10.
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 19 2021 16: 27
    +2
    Yes, over 30 years of dictatorship, the United States of Europe has completely unbelted! Some have already pressed on Russia, and what came of it? The sowing stream 2 will be closed, who will be worse in winter. Swift will be covered, money will have to be transported by airplanes.
    1. poquello
      poquello April 19 2021 22: 21
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Swift will be covered, money will have to be transported by air.

      but the truth is, either the swift will be left, or you will have to connect to ours
  7. kventinasd
    kventinasd April 19 2021 16: 27
    +5
    If Russian tanks appear there, then the Ukrainians should have anti-tank missiles so that they can defend themselves as soon as the Russian army crosses the border.
    - stressed Galer.

    If they manage to deliver anything at all.
  8. KKND
    KKND April 19 2021 16: 29
    +11
    The articles on this site about the joint venture, as well as the comments, already resemble Santa Barbara with an eternal change of zrad and peremog and vice versa. They won't let the Europeans finish the building, we will only become angrier.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 19 2021 17: 18
      -2
      Yeah. And the budget will become angrier towards those citizens who depend on it. The military is unlikely to allow the content to be cut, but what about teachers, medicine, etc.?
  9. Gar
    Gar April 19 2021 16: 29
    +6
    Looks like this Manfred Weber is a homosexual.
  10. knn54
    knn54 April 19 2021 16: 32
    +6
    In spite of the conductor, I'll take a ticket and get off the tram.
    Buy "American" (from Yamal. Through French intermediaries)) LNG as Ukraine-Slovak.
    The prices will "pleasantly" surprise you.
  11. ioan-e
    ioan-e April 19 2021 16: 33
    +4
    There are no reports anywhere that the US and NATO are moving 30 people and 15 pieces of military equipment to the Russian border at the same time - right now.

    I am embarrassed to ask, but how long has the American border come close to the border of the Russian Federation, so that they have transferred their tanks to it? And what is his business, where our tanks ride on OUR territory? Or is the defeat of Adolf Aloizovich Schicklgruber haunted? He is not afraid that their missiles will shoot at their own contingent in Afghanistan, otherwise the Ukrainians will quickly fuse them, right along the road through the ports of Odessa or Nikolaev!
  12. xorek
    xorek April 19 2021 16: 33
    0
    This Nord Stream, to the West, is like a bone in the throat, for some reason .. But this is good for Germany, for its economy .. They are afraid of the rapprochement between Russia and Germany and they are right .. We will all remember how they played us off and then robbed the winners and the vanquished
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 19 2021 16: 36
    +1
    Putin VV on April 22 at the climate summit, he will explain on his fingers how it is better to be heated with gas or wood from Siberia. wassat
    1. poquello
      poquello April 19 2021 22: 27
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Putin VV on April 22 at the climate summit, he will explain on his fingers how it is better to be heated with gas or wood from Siberia. wassat

      considered vyser in the production of batteries for electric cars - it turned out that gasoline is more environmentally friendly
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 19 2021 23: 43
        +2
        A cool topic, Musk's deputy for Tesla ran away from him and organized a company for the recycling of Tesla accumulators, he learned how to make money without straining. cost prices are obtained.
  14. bald
    bald April 19 2021 16: 37
    +5
    And what is more important, to complete the construction of the SP-2, or to cleanse Ukraine of the Nazi scum, with the ensuing, positive outlook for the future for us. Or maybe all at once.
  15. gloomy
    gloomy April 19 2021 16: 38
    +1
    What do these clowns decide?
  16. anjey
    anjey April 19 2021 16: 42
    +2
    To paraphrase Ilf and Petrov - "Saw Hans, saw the branch (Nord Stream2) on which you are sitting, it prevents you from taking off" laughing laughing laughing
  17. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 19 2021 16: 42
    +2
    OK. We are closing the joint venture-2, we are setting a condition for Ukraine to pump gas on its own, the transit fees are borne by the EU. No energy discounts. Dance as you wish.
    We will lose a part of the market, but will these losses be higher than losses from incessant sanctions?
  18. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo April 19 2021 16: 53
    +1
    expand the functionality of the SVR, for the physical destruction of Russia's enemies, anywhere in the world
  19. APASUS
    APASUS April 19 2021 16: 57
    +2
    If Russia does not stop its policy in Ukraine, Germany will shoot itself in the foot and close the SP2 project. It sounds something like this ...................
    Moreover, they themselves handed over all the cards to Ukraine, you don't even have to guess that there will be a war, of course it will be ..............
    1. cniza
      cniza April 19 2021 17: 05
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      If Russia does not stop its policy in Ukraine, Germany will shoot itself in the foot and close the SP2 project.


      I will continue - and the growth of industrial production will hack to death, the population will freeze ...
  20. prior
    prior April 19 2021 17: 01
    +3
    If the SP-2 project is closed, Russia will simply be forced to seize Ukraine in order to ensure safe uninterrupted gas transit to Europe in accordance with long-term contracts. tongue
  21. cniza
    cniza April 19 2021 17: 04
    +2
    According to the German politician, such actions pose a serious danger to the European Union, along with other manifestations of "Russian aggression", to which Weber referred to "cyberattacks, disinformation, murders."


    Seemingly smart people, have sufficient capabilities to receive objective information and carry such nonsense ...
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin April 19 2021 17: 28
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      According to the German politician, such actions pose a serious danger to the European Union, along with other manifestations of "Russian aggression", to which Weber referred to "cyberattacks, disinformation, murders."


      Seemingly smart people, have sufficient capabilities to receive objective information and carry such nonsense ...


      Yes, they are not so and what they seem.
      To paraphrase a well-known phrase:
      "Only business, no logic ..."

      Another thing is that people in the EU hawala all this,
      without critical thinking.
      There is also an explanation for this, as a rule, it is practically impossible for a simple man in the street to understand issues of international relations, what is happening outside their own country.
      The average man forms his opinion on the basis of the coverage of the issue in the media and what the government says about this.

      If officials and the media lie in the same way, and alternative points of view are absent or discredited, then the average person does not form a critical point of view.

      Therefore, in the EU, officials are trying any nonsense, the media picks up on it, it's all good to fall on the already formed Russophobic public opinion.
      In especially difficult cases, they arrange provocations with the involvement of special services and fanning a new round of hysteria.

      Logic is unnecessary and even harmful here.
      Ready-made clichés are voiced at once - conclusions. If supported by logical justifications, then they will begin to crawl out inconsistencies.

      No logic is used on purpose.
      1. cniza
        cniza April 19 2021 17: 49
        +2
        With such access to the information that we have today, they often look silly ...
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 April 19 2021 17: 46
      +1
      Weber is an ENEMY, ardent, bad ... all the more offended, both on the head and in fact, not being elected to an important post in the gay parliament.
      1. cniza
        cniza April 19 2021 17: 48
        +3
        Another thing is scary, he is in power and not entirely smart, let's put it so mildly ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 19 2021 19: 38
          +1
          One of ... does not decide anything on his own, but he can stir up trouble, maybe.
          1. cniza
            cniza April 19 2021 21: 05
            +3
            There are no decisive ones for a long time, unfortunately ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 April 20 2021 08: 43
              +1
              There is no one center of power that is decisive ... but there is a group of serious guys whose opinions / desires are simply feared to be ignored.
  22. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk April 19 2021 17: 08
    0
    In Ukraine, they don't even have their own coat of arms, they took the coat of arms of Rurik.
  23. nnm
    nnm April 19 2021 17: 09
    +3
    It was necessary to link the transit agreement with Ukraine to the SP-2. Once the project is stopped, that's it, no download-or-pay obligations.
    Otherwise, after the download of the Turkish branch, only 2-3 countries will remain, recorded on the Ukrainian GTS. And we have to pay them about $ 2.5 billion a year until 2024. even if we download smaller volumes.
  24. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 19 2021 17: 12
    +2
    By the way, just now. At the meeting of the foreign ministers of the EU countries, sanctions against Russia and the mass expulsion of our diplomats were not discussed. Not a single foreign minister raised this issue, not even outright Russophobes. This is what makes the gas life-giving and increased combat readiness. None, not even how that's weird.
  25. Klingon
    Klingon April 19 2021 17: 39
    +3
    Well, they will close SP-2, and what will happen if Russia in return turns to the left to the full the Ukrainian gas valve and SP-1? how then will they sing?
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein April 19 2021 18: 00
      -1
      In addition, the shutters will have to pay Russia huge fines and reimbursement of construction costs, and bury their money spent on SP-2. The example of France with a landing helicopter carrier did not teach the West anything. And Russia will redirect gas to Asia. Russian gas is expected in China, India, the DPRK, the Republic of Korea and even in the "Gryadokuril" Japan.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock April 19 2021 20: 42
      +21
      Quote: Klingon
      What will happen if Russia in return turns to the left to the full the Ukrainian gas valve and SP-1?

      You can twist, but you will have to pay a forfeit
  26. rocket757
    rocket757 April 19 2021 17: 43
    0
    Close the Nord Stream 2 project or supply missiles to Kiev: Europe is discussing how to respond to Russia because of the situation in Ukraine
    ... Everything is clear with Weber, ENEMY, especially since his grandmother, the chancellor, offended ...
    He's not the only one to decide ... we'll see how it goes further.
  27. xorek
    xorek April 19 2021 17: 51
    0
    Nord Stream, a bone in the throat of the United States .. It is necessary to finish building, this is a matter of principle!
  28. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 19 2021 17: 52
    -3
    I think that war is not the worst way out of this situation.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 April 20 2021 01: 41
      +2
      of course, when you yourself are going to take part in it from the battle couch. Earlier it seemed to me that in 42omrpsn they were selected not only in terms of muscle strength. It seems that a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then sad
  29. Alexander Betonkin
    Alexander Betonkin April 19 2021 18: 15
    0
    Well, you can understand Weber - he is fighting for the post of President of the European Commission. Although, on the other hand, such statements run counter to Merkel's policy. He supported Merkel in the CSU, said that it is necessary to support the European interests of other states. She also supported Merkel on the issue of migration. Everything changes.
  30. TOR2
    TOR2 April 19 2021 19: 36
    +1
    If it does not suit the West in relation to the situation in Ukraine, then gas supplies through the pipeline can be stopped.

    And how the market will react to this, apparently the author of the words kept silent. Given the tight-fisted Germans in a row, they will want to pay more. And if the Houthis still throw the "toys" more perfectly, so in general there will be "sadness".
  31. fif21
    fif21 April 19 2021 22: 20
    0
    It is time for Europe to think about where to settle Ukrainian refugees. hi
  32. da Vinci
    da Vinci April 19 2021 22: 37
    +1
    The fact that SP-2 is Gazprom's earnings is understandable, but is SP-2 not being built for Europe and its economy? That is, for the sake of a political game, the Europeans want to shoot themselves in the foot? And then they will whine buns?
    So who will be blackmailing: GDP - the European Union or vice versa?
    1. Klingon
      Klingon April 20 2021 02: 10
      +1
      Europeans, they are sick in the head and to please the Lord they may well shoot themselves in the leg. We are introducing another lockdown in Germany. HZ who benefits from it, but as a health worker I am not able to understand what a restriction, a curfew from 21:00 to 5 in the morning, can give? the same Euro-bureau-Pithecanthropus decide! they have no brains, only vassal thinking, The paragraph is shorter!
  33. viktor.
    viktor. April 20 2021 03: 58
    0
    Our hucksters trade incorrectly Hydrocarbons do not need to be imposed, it is necessary to lower prices for the domestic market by 50-70% and raise them in Geyropu, but slightly lower than LNG from Fashington. there is Gas and there is a Price, no! The tap was turned on on December 25!
  34. da Vinci
    da Vinci April 20 2021 09: 55
    +1
    Despite the benefits, it is necessary to sell gas to Europe at the Russian border, let them pay for transit.
  35. Graduate student
    Graduate student April 23 2021 15: 52
    +2
    Close the Nord Stream 2 project or deliver missiles to Kiev

    And you will not close the SP-2 and you will not deliver the missiles. Pamper and calm down on this.
  36. Graduate student
    Graduate student April 23 2021 15: 53
    +3
    the current sanctions against Russia testify to the unity of the US and the EU, but if an escalation of the conflict takes place in eastern Ukraine, then Russia will have to give a decisive rebuff

    Are you really going to risk your health? wassat laughing