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The launching dates of the regular Poseidon carrier were postponed

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The launching of the standard carrier of the Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicles - the Project 09851 Khabarovsk nuclear submarine - is postponed again, now to the fall. It is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the DIC.


The launching of the Khabarovsk nuclear submarine has been postponed again, a source in the OPK said. The autumn of this year was named new terms, without specifying specific dates. The source did not name the reason for the postponement of the ceremony for several months. Earlier, the launch of the "Khabarovsk" was planned in May, but this is also according to the source. Traditionally, Sevmash news do not comment, so there is no official information.

In general, the construction of a regular carrier of Poseidon nuclear drones is surrounded by secrecy, as it should be. The press is content with either official statements or rumors. At the moment, there is information that after launching and completion afloat, "Khabarovsk" will go out for tests, which will take at least two years.

Since there are no technical details of the project, it is assumed that the Khabarovsk nuclear submarine of project 09851 will be able to carry six Poseidons on board. He will become a regular carrier of nuclear marine drones.

At present, there are three Poseidon submarines at various stages of construction - the experimental carrier Belgorod, the regular carrier Khabarovsk and the first serial Ulyanovsk. The first to enter the Navy will be the nuclear submarine Belgorod, a former Project 949A Antey submarine. The date of commissioning "Khabarovsk" has not yet been announced. As for the third "Ulyanovsk", everything is also hidden in fog. According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense, it should be operational by 2027.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 19 2021 08: 30
    0
    The launching of the standard carrier of the Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicles - the Project 09851 Khabarovsk nuclear submarine - is postponed again, now to the fall.
    Alas...
    Expected ...
    Does anyone remember that something was handed over on time?
    It's a shame, damn it ...
    1. mark1
      mark1 April 19 2021 08: 32
      +1
      But not critical. Bye ... because what would be critical it would be necessary to have something to wear.
      1. RMT
        RMT April 19 2021 08: 39
        -7
        Experimental, first full-time, first serial, and these are three different boats. In my opinion, this is all "straw" so that there is always an excuse for uniqueness, lack of experience, and you can write off any jamb.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder April 19 2021 09: 12
          -10%
          this is all "straw" so that there is always an excuse for uniqueness, lack of experience, and you can write off any jamb
          to the heap, perhaps just the kets are over, to this gloomy hellish gravitsapu, but like everything under the bar, you can easily push it back even to the 22nd century !? wink
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg April 19 2021 09: 27
            +1
            Quote: Intruder
            this is all "straw" so that there is always an excuse for uniqueness, lack of experience, and you can write off any jamb
            to the heap, perhaps just the kets are over, to this gloomy hellish gravitsapu, but like everything under the bar, you can easily push it back even to the 22nd century !? wink


            Not over yet. Moreover, the submarine is being completed. And soon 2 more Boreas will be laid.
            1. hrych
              hrych April 19 2021 17: 37
              +2
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Moreover, the submarine is being completed.

              All this comes from the illiteracy of the Russophobic trolls. They laughed at cartoons, but watched cartoons inattentively. They also listened poorly to Putin. And the truth of life is that it was shown and said about two different underwater drones. This yellowish one (which is on the splash screen) is a tactical device, which is certainly also with a SBS and a torpedo is shown separately, going under its own power - the Doomsday Torpedo. A map with an intercontinental range is shown, and the bottom relief bending is shown. This yellowish, tactical one, of course, needs a nuclear submarine carrier in order to covertly go to the line of attack of a tactical torpedo, well, there, three hundred kilometers from the enemy's compound or from a naval base, to hell with it, a port and a coastal city. And there is an intercontinental torpedo of the hundred-megaton class, which should bang (crash) into the edge of the shelf, for example. At a kilometer depth, create a gigantic bubble, which, having collapsed, will give a high wave and which, having entered the shelf, will still rise, hitting not the city, but the coast with cities. So, there is such a thing - Poseidon, and there is such a thing - Harpsichord. This yellow harpsichord was tested as an autonomous, deep-sea drone, well, there for mapping the bottom, like. Why put it on a special submarine is a simple mystery. But not to do cartography. The SBCH is placed instead of scientific equipment and it turns out a hunter for enemy nuclear submarines and a tactical nuclear torpedo. Let these trolls once again carefully watch that performance, listen carefully to the speech and carefully watch the cartoon. They will understand that it is not necessary to hang the Harpsichord tasks on Poseidon, but Poseidon’s tasks on the Harpsichord. And do not confuse a very delicate instrument with the God of the World Ocean am
        2. ABC-schütze
          ABC-schütze April 19 2021 10: 11
          -1
          Or, perhaps, a relatively symmetrical "response" of the Kremlin to the refusal of the States from the already presented sending of its own destroyers to the Black Sea. In the context of "support" for the former united Ukraine. In a word, Moscow does not "close the door" ... I, a person from military affairs, is far from, but I believe that Uncle Sam is worried about the prospects of our Poseidons a little more than Moscow, it is already familiar with the realities of American fermentation in the water area of ​​the World Cup. Maybe I'm wrong ... ...
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 April 19 2021 08: 42
        -9
        Quote: mark1
        But not critical.

        In principle, for Poseidon with a vigorous engine, it does not need a carrier, it can independently swim where it is necessary.

        Quote: Boris55
        Experimental, first full-time, first serial, and these are three different boats. In my opinion, this is all "straw" so that there is always an excuse

        Does anyone in the world have something like that?
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 April 19 2021 09: 09
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          Does anyone in the world have something like that?

          No one has, and neither do we ...
          1. Intruder
            Intruder April 19 2021 09: 15
            +2
            No one has, and neither do we ...
            But is it necessary to have all this in such a scanty amount, with not very high combat effectiveness, only for a hypothetical political influence on neighboring partners, but for the submarine fleet an extra gemmor !?
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg April 19 2021 09: 30
              -5
              Quote: Intruder
              No one has, and neither do we ...
              But is it necessary to have all this in such a scanty amount, with not very high combat effectiveness, only for a hypothetical political influence on neighboring partners, but for the submarine fleet an extra gemmor !?

              Yes, of course it is. This is a guarantee of the inevitability of a retaliatory strike. Amers have nothing to intercept Poseidon. And this means a guarantee of the security of our state, since in which case the enemy will not escape retribution.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 19 2021 09: 35
                -4
                Any underwater vehicle traveling at high speed creates
                loud noise heard hundreds of kilometers away.
                It is not difficult to prepare for the meeting of such an apparatus in advance.
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS April 19 2021 09: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Any underwater vehicle traveling at high speed creates
                  loud noise heard hundreds of kilometers away.
                  It is not difficult to prepare for the meeting of such an apparatus in advance.

                  And if it goes at low speed and its noises merge naturally with the noise of the sea, the movement algorithm is not announced, the maximum speed is simply declared.In fact, this is a Doomsday weapon and there is only one mistake when meeting such a device ........ ........ will end
                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan April 19 2021 11: 31
                    +2
                    Such a vehicle cannot move slowly, since it does not have neutral buoyancy, therefore it must maintain a high speed so as not to drown.
                2. prior
                  prior April 19 2021 09: 56
                  0
                  Who told you that Poseidon is launched only from submarines?
                  And if it can be launched from any "tub" floating along the coast?
                  And there is not even enough time to pray ...
                3. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg April 19 2021 09: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Any underwater vehicle traveling at high speed creates
                  loud noise heard hundreds of kilometers away.
                  It is not difficult to prepare for the meeting of such an apparatus in advance.


                  Do you think the nuclear submarine is just as easy to spot? They also go at high speed. However, there have been cases when the submarines of NATO countries unexpectedly collided under water. French non-nuclear Scorpions have repeatedly sailed unnoticed by American aircraft carriers during NATO exercises, so keep the tales about noise hundreds of kilometers away. Naturally, Poseidon can both increase and decrease the speed. He can sneak up to the coast unnoticed and arrange Armageddon.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh April 19 2021 13: 57
                    +3
                    "He can sneak up to the coast unnoticed and arrange Armageddon." ///
                    ---
                    Poseidon basically cannot move at low speed.
                    This is not a submarine. This is a torpedo. It has no ballast tanks.
                    It is designed for deep, deep water only.
                    speed.
                    High speed is always a lot of noise.
                    1. Orange bigg
                      Orange bigg April 19 2021 14: 41
                      +4
                      Have you seen a lot of torpedoes from a power plant in the form of a mini-reactor? And why are you so sure that you are right?
                4. V1er
                  V1er April 19 2021 10: 02
                  +2
                  When they find him, it will be too late.
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal April 20 2021 02: 49
                    -1
                    Why? Will it withstand being hit by a torpedo with a nuclear warhead?
                    And does not its detection mean readiness to launch SLBMs from Ohio? Let me remind you that most of the charges are placed on them.
                    1. V1er
                      V1er April 20 2021 11: 54
                      0
                      When the nuclear Poseidon is launched. The launch from Ohio will no longer matter.
                      1. 3danimal
                        3danimal April 20 2021 17: 52
                        -1
                        Poseidon will take over some of the resources. Which can be spent on weapons that can quickly and accurately hit your opponent's weapon.
                        When the launch from Ohio is not important, the launch of Poseidon will be equally useless.
                        (The wave will wash over the smoking cities on the coast ..)
                        IMHO, favor for such projects expresses aging, passion for "metaphysics" and esotericism of leadership (remember the reaction to the approach of the "dangerous" holy fool shaman).
                        This state of consciousness always runs counter to objectivity.
                5. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 April 19 2021 10: 09
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  It is not difficult to prepare for the meeting of such an apparatus in advance.

                  And what to prepare there - I read a prayer (if I had time) and amen. yes
                6. Boris55
                  Boris55 April 19 2021 10: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Any underwater vehicle traveling at high speed creates a loud noise that can be heard hundreds of kilometers away.

                  1. Who told you that he goes at high speed?
                  2. If the noise of the propellers is comparable to the background noise of the sea, then such an apparatus is practically impossible to track ("Black Hole" - Project 636.3 "Varshavyanka").
                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan April 19 2021 11: 35
                    0
                    Guys, they have already written here many times that underwater objects are detected by different methods and the noise of the propellers is not the only unmasking factor. Well, it's a shame not to know, well, take an interest in technology at least a little.
                  2. 3danimal
                    3danimal April 20 2021 02: 51
                    -1
                    How people are greedy for newspaper clichés like "black hole" negative
                    How is this crap better than the ICBM? And it costs at least one or two.
                7. nPuBaTuP
                  nPuBaTuP April 19 2021 10: 59
                  0
                  It is not difficult to prepare for the meeting of such an apparatus in advance.

                  If it's not a secret ... what will be the preparation for the meeting? Will they quickly rush to the cemetery to take up space?
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal April 26 2021 09: 47
                    0
                    Send Poseidon a submarine committee to meet in the form of an air Poseidon (PLO aircraft), with nuclear torpedoes on board?
                8. Grits
                  Grits April 19 2021 14: 34
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Any underwater vehicle traveling at high speed creates
                  loud noise heard hundreds of kilometers away.
                  It is not difficult to prepare for the meeting of such an apparatus in advance.

                  When a mine is flying at you, you may even hear its noise. True, I'm not sure that you will have time to prepare.
                  So here - you can hear as much as you like - to shoot down with what? It remains only to sing the anthem of America before meeting with the Almighty
              2. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A April 19 2021 09: 47
                -6
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                Quote: Intruder
                No one has, and neither do we ...
                But is it necessary to have all this in such a scanty amount, with not very high combat effectiveness, only for a hypothetical political influence on neighboring partners, but for the submarine fleet an extra gemmor !?

                Yes, of course it is. This is a guarantee of the inevitability of a retaliatory strike. Amers have nothing to intercept Poseidon. And this means a guarantee of the security of our state, since in which case the enemy will not escape retribution.


                Amers have something to intercept the carriers of Poseidons.
                Analogy.
                Here is a Belgorod man walking down the street, with a "huge cannon" hanging on his shoulder.
                Powerful, kills on the spot at a distance of up to two kilometers.


                Only here's the trouble.
                Around this man-Belgorod at a distance of a meter and a half from him are 4 people from Virginia, who have already taken out their small pistols, sent in cartridges, and are holding the man-Belgorod at a constant sight.

                And then there are a couple of SeaWolf snipers, at a certain distance, who also keep the Belgorod man - at a constant sight.
                And there are also many airplanes that will help control all the movements of the Belgorod man.

                So the question is - will the Belgorod man at least have time to remove his "huge cannon" from his shoulder ???
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg April 19 2021 10: 02
                  -3
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  Quote: Intruder
                  No one has, and neither do we ...
                  But is it necessary to have all this in such a scanty amount, with not very high combat effectiveness, only for a hypothetical political influence on neighboring partners, but for the submarine fleet an extra gemmor !?

                  Yes, of course it is. This is a guarantee of the inevitability of a retaliatory strike. Amers have nothing to intercept Poseidon. And this means a guarantee of the security of our state, since in which case the enemy will not escape retribution.


                  Amers have something to intercept the carriers of Poseidons.
                  Analogy.
                  Here is a Belgorod man walking down the street, with a "huge cannon" hanging on his shoulder.
                  Powerful, kills on the spot at a distance of up to two kilometers.


                  Only here's the trouble.
                  Around this man-Belgorod at a distance of a meter and a half from him are 4 people from Virginia, who have already taken out their small pistols, sent in cartridges, and are holding the man-Belgorod at a constant sight.

                  And then there are a couple of SeaWolf snipers, at a certain distance, who also keep the Belgorod man - at a constant sight.
                  And there are also many airplanes that will help control all the movements of the Belgorod man.

                  So the question is - will the Belgorod man at least have time to remove his "huge cannon" from his shoulder ???


                  Sorry, but Poseidons can be launched almost from the shore, and then they will swim under their own power.

                  ... Around this man-Belgorod at a distance of a meter and a half from him are 4 people from Virginia, who have already taken out their small pistols, sent in cartridges, and are holding the man-Belgorod at a constant sight.

                  And then there are a couple of SeaWolf snipers, at a certain distance, who also keep the Belgorod man - at a constant sight.
                  And there are also many airplanes that will help control all the movements of the Belgorod man.

                  It is better to tell these tales to the children before going to bed. There is nothing to comment on, especially if the distance of a meter and a half from Belgorod to 4 Virginias, then this is a direct collision of submarines. I will not discuss nonsense.
                2. 1Alexey
                  1Alexey April 19 2021 16: 00
                  -2
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Amers have something to intercept the carriers of Poseidons.
                  Analogy.
                  Here is a Belgorod man walking down the street, with a "huge cannon" hanging on his shoulder.
                  Powerful, kills on the spot at a distance of up to two kilometers.


                  Only here's the trouble.
                  Around this man-Belgorod at a distance of a meter and a half from him are 4 people from Virginia, who have already taken out their small pistols, sent in cartridges, and are holding the man-Belgorod at a constant sight.

                  And then there are a couple of SeaWolf snipers, at a certain distance, who also keep the Belgorod man - at a constant sight.
                  And there are also many airplanes that will help control all the movements of the Belgorod man.

                  So the question is - will the Belgorod man at least have time to remove his "huge cannon" from his shoulder ???

                  And it's okay that several of our multipurpose nuclear submarines can go nearby to cover, but our surface ships (for example, a cruiser and frigates) can go over the Belgorod nuclear submarine to cover from enemy airplanes ?!

                  And, besides, why did you decide that the Belgorod nuclear submarine to launch the Posedons must necessarily come close to the US coast?
                  Belgorod can launch its Poseidons from afar, including from its territorial waters (and in them, Varshavyanki can also cover it, and our aviation).

                  So, most likely, Belgorod will have the opportunity to have time to release its Poseidons!
              3. Galleon
                Galleon April 19 2021 16: 28
                +1
                For six decades, the Americans have been embodying the accepted concept of a "transparent ocean" in iron and in tactics. Hopes for
                nothing to intercept Poseidon
                just naive. They have stationary hydrophones at depths of 600-800m. Have you ever thought about the effectiveness of the explosion at a depth of 1000m and would it be worth moving the nuclear plant to a shallower depth? How will the opposite side react to this?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 April 19 2021 23: 31
                  0
                  Remembering how NATO recently lost our Varshavyanka and has not yet been found - indicates that their entire super-effective anti-aircraft missile defense system is simply inflated just like the American one.
              4. 3danimal
                3danimal April 20 2021 02: 57
                0
                Amers have nothing to intercept Poseidon

                Nothing? MUI-90 can reach even with a conventional warhead (depth allows), with a nuclear one - the probability of interception tends to 100%.
                What barbarism - to boil 0,04 cubic kilometers of water for the sake of Poseidon alone .. Or is it worth it? request
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon April 19 2021 10: 21
              +1
              Quote: Intruder
              with not very high combat effectiveness

              Do you know something about efficiency?
          2. RUSS
            RUSS April 19 2021 12: 27
            -2
            Quote: Bez 310
            Quote: Boris55
            Does anyone in the world have something like that?

            No one has, and neither do we ...

            China found a US counterpart of a Russian nuclear drone.

            The Chinese edition of the “Huangqiu Shibao” published an article that states that the Russian submarine nuclear drone Poseidon is not at all a unique development. This is due primarily to the fact that in the United States the development of such weapons began in the 1996 year.

            China recognizes that the Russian Poseidon nuclear drone is a unique weapon that can destroy half of the continent, and in the event of a massive launch of such UAVs, the consequences of a strike can be much more terrifying than it can be imagined. Nevertheless, in the People's Republic of China they emphasize that in the near future the United States of America will have something similar, since the Manta project being developed here is not much different from the Russian Poseidon.
        2. Trickster
          Trickster April 19 2021 10: 07
          -2
          In principle, for Poseidon with a vigorous engine, it does not need a carrier, it can independently swim where it is necessary.

          Absolutely true, the carrier is a huge target and an opportunity for enemies to bang at once a pack of drones. Most likely, drones are already quietly and peacefully plowing endless seas and oceans.
      3. Hagen
        Hagen April 19 2021 08: 52
        -5
        Quote: mark1
        Bye ... because what would be critical it would be necessary to have something to wear.

        In extreme cases, what needs to be worn can sail away from the pier without a carrier. Nuclear power plant allows. I would suggest that with such a power plant it would be possible to create an autonomous unmanned patrol apparatus in order to continuously monitor, for example, the outer waters beyond the Kuril Islands or the boundaries of the Barents Sea. Although, maybe it is, we just don't know?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder April 19 2021 09: 19
          +2
          I would suggest that with such a power plant it would be possible to create an autonomous unmanned patrol apparatus in order to continuously monitor, for example, the outer waters beyond the Kuril Islands or the boundaries of the Barents Sea.
          And who will maintain and repair it, if something happens, everything goes well under the heading, perhaps a separate pier and an indoor one is needed, plus a nuclear power plant in the same size as this miracle underwater drone, so a complex installation is not diesel-electric submarine, or a typical nuclear submarine reactor ...! request
          Plus, an increased level of secrecy ... winked
          1. Hagen
            Hagen April 19 2021 09: 25
            0
            Quote: Intruder
            And who will maintain and repair him,

            Organizational issues and service infrastructure are, of course, important issues, but not as complex as the small-sized nuclear facility itself. Cope. Whether the United States will practically have to be drowned is another question. But to squeeze them out of our borders is a matter of paramount importance today. Once there were no UAV units in the ground forces. They decided the same.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich April 19 2021 08: 46
      +7
      Quote: Victor_B
      Does anyone remember that something was handed over on time?

      And because you don't have to pop ahead of time. Give it up, then announce it. And then they took fashion a little, so bawl all sorts of statements. "It's time to end this scion."
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik April 19 2021 09: 17
        +4
        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        Quote: Victor_B
        Does anyone remember that something was handed over on time?

        And because you don't have to pop ahead of time. Give it up, then announce it. And then they took fashion a little, so bawl all sorts of statements. "It's time to end this scion."

        It feels like all our new weapons and upgrades are a distraction. With what pathos were announced in 2014-15 "Armata", "Coalition", "Boomerang", SU-57. None of this is in real troops and is apparently not foreseen. The modernization of "Nakhimov" is a perpetual walk in agony and pulling out funds. Those who like to calibrate should know that a salvo of 2-3 US destroyers will completely block the entire salvo of all Russian Calibers. All this is sad. Loud statements for domestic consumption, but in fact, only chatter. As is typical in the construction of yachts and tankers, the terms are not shifted. Further more, already quite outrageous projects have gone. At least the same "Poseidon". How he will secretly leave the base, even with a carrier, at least not, if each of our missile carriers is under close supervision and practically on a leash. A very incomprehensible situation and for whom is it intended?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich April 19 2021 09: 23
          +5
          Quote: lis-ik
          It feels like all our new weapons and upgrades are a distraction. With what pathos were announced in 2014-15 "Armata", "Coalition", "Boomerang", SU-57.

          It seems to me that this is not the point. It's just that there are different ambitious people who are asleep and see themselves as very media. So that they were invited to all sorts of parties, like "60 minutes" or whatever, to Solovyov, to the "Star" and so on. These ears are on TV like uncut dogs, they have spread malakhovism, even swear words are not enough.
        2. sustav75
          sustav75 April 19 2021 09: 51
          +2
          Yeah. Armata and other kaolitsii even roll out at parades! And Poseidons and their carriers are unlikely to fit on Moscow streets
        3. Grits
          Grits April 19 2021 14: 40
          0
          Quote: lis-ik
          Those who love to calibrate should know that a salvo of 2-3 US destroyers will completely block the entire salvo of all Russian Calibers.

          Everything is correct. And so it is high time to install "Calibers" not on frigates, but on Kamaz trucks.
        4. Xscorpion
          Xscorpion April 22 2021 08: 45
          -1
          Quote: lis-ik
          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          Quote: Victor_B
          Does anyone remember that something was handed over on time?

          And because you don't have to pop ahead of time. Give it up, then announce it. And then they took fashion a little, so bawl all sorts of statements. "It's time to end this scion."

          It feels like all our new weapons and upgrades are a distraction. With what pathos were announced in 2014-15 "Armata", "Coalition", "Boomerang", SU-57. None of this is in real troops and is apparently not foreseen. The modernization of "Nakhimov" is a perpetual walk in agony and pulling out funds. Those who like to calibrate should know that a salvo of 2-3 US destroyers will completely block the entire salvo of all Russian Calibers. All this is sad. Loud statements for domestic consumption, but in fact, only chatter. As is typical in the construction of yachts and tankers, the terms are not shifted. Further more, already quite outrageous projects have gone. At least the same "Poseidon". How he will secretly leave the base, even with a carrier, at least not, if each of our missile carriers is under close supervision and practically on a leash. A very incomprehensible situation and for whom is it intended?

          Burke's standard load is 8 axes. So only in your wet fantasies they can launch 100 missiles from one destroyer. Well, about close observation. The Americans have no more than 6 Virginias on alert, and they usually accompany the AUG So I will disappoint you, but they have nothing to monitor even the bases of our submarines, let alone every submarine. And besides our submarines, there is China, North Korea, Iran and other countries that the Americans also need to monitor. So that in the best case, they have one submarine rubbing in the Norwegian and Sea of ​​Japan on patrol, and the rest of the submarines are very far from the Russian shores.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik April 22 2021 11: 13
            -2
            Quote: Xscorpion
            Burke's standard load -8 axes

            In a multipurpose version. In shock 56.
            1. Xscorpion
              Xscorpion April 22 2021 13: 06
              0
              They do not go in the shock version. This is done only for the duration of specific tasks with very large formations, that is, two or more AUGs in one squadron, the last time this was during the Gulf War. In this case, yes, equipment 1-2 is possible. destroyers in the squadron are purely in the shock version. And it is the multipurpose loading option that is widely used, since it is possible to change the filling only in ports, and since it is not known what the squadron will have to face without air defense, so no one will leave the squadron there. , this does not mean that it will be really possible this way.
      2. Eldorado
        Eldorado April 19 2021 09: 24
        +3
        Who was cracking? There were no statements from the main command or representatives of Sevmash. The date of the launch is an invention of TASS.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 19 2021 10: 26
        0
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        And because you don't have to pop ahead of time.

        One of the ways to dunk the brains of a potential enemy. To not know when and what to expect, but only constantly expressed "concern".lol
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 19 2021 09: 10
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Does anyone remember that something was handed over on time?

      How can you do in time what no one has ever done?
      In the course of project execution, certain inconsistencies may emerge. This is normal. Therefore, I think you should not worry about the transfer of launching.
      In addition, Sevmash did not officially speak about the timing.
      Haste in such matters is not a good thing.
    4. Eldorado
      Eldorado April 19 2021 09: 18
      +5
      Yes, no one has endured anything. Information about the timing of the descent is classified. And these are just unfulfilled fantasies of some "sources" of our media.
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer April 19 2021 08: 34
    0
    Hmm ... Or maybe everything is already being tested and this is all a duck for the secret services of sworn friends ?? I think there is such an option
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 April 19 2021 08: 36
    0
    The launching dates of the regular Poseidon carrier were postponed
    Such a weapon for an emergency. Although without them, everyone and everywhere is level with the ground.
    1. 1Alexey
      1Alexey April 19 2021 17: 18
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      The launching dates of the regular Poseidon carrier were postponed
      Such a weapon for an emergency. Although without them, everyone and everywhere is level with the ground.

      You're right! There is no particular urgency with him.
      The available nuclear weapons as a deterrent (it is unlikely to come to their actual use) will certainly be enough for the next decade.

      This is a long-term weapon, so you can calmly (without much haste) bring it to mind.
      And, given that the nuclear submarine Belgorod will soon be adopted for service, then with Khabarovsk, there is no need to rush to arrange it.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 20 2021 08: 31
        0
        This is not the only "answer" to the challenges that will appear in the future.
  4. Popandos
    Popandos April 19 2021 08: 42
    0
    With the heads in the series, it is almost always so bad, and not only with ships. One hope that it will not develop into a long-term construction.
  5. Woodman
    Woodman April 19 2021 08: 45
    +4
    a source in the defense industry complex said.

    but this is also according to the source
    Oh, these "sources" ... He said it himself, he transferred it himself ... Officially, who announced the timing of the timing? If not, then there is nothing to discuss.
    The press is content with either official statements or rumors
  6. alexey2073
    alexey2073 April 19 2021 08: 46
    +2
    The launching dates of the regular Poseidon carrier were postponed
    Is this news? Nothing new. This has already become commonplace. When some deadlines are announced, you can safely add a year or two. Unfortunately...
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado April 19 2021 09: 20
      +2
      Such information is classified. And this is just the verbiage of some "sources" of our media.
  7. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 April 19 2021 08: 54
    -6
    In the current military-political situation - every month is dear! These constant transfers of everything and everyone are outright Sabotage !!! Stalin would have "appraised" such work! Again, we will not be ready, as always !!!
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado April 19 2021 09: 20
      +1
      Such information is classified. And this is just the verbiage of some "sources" of our media.
    2. 1Alexey
      1Alexey April 19 2021 17: 38
      0
      Quote: Yuriy71
      In the current military-political situation - every month is dear!

      Such an assessment is not for the Poseidons and their carriers - this is a long-term weapon, but with regard to delays, for example, with the Yasen-M, such an assessment would be appropriate.
  8. viktor.
    viktor. April 19 2021 09: 20
    +2
    Not up to the Poseidons now, Sowing! Autumn is just right!
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 19 2021 09: 25
    -3
    It happens. Sometimes even the plans for the day are not completely fulfilled. Well, while "well-wishers" and their bores can still take away the darling. winked Take it away for now. Remember how the "partners" had fun about the "cartoons"? We watched the "cartoons" and had fun, as they showed in real life we ​​sobbed. winked
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 19 2021 10: 15
      -2
      laughing So the "well-wishers" pulled themselves up. What's so little?
  10. Cowbra
    Cowbra April 19 2021 09: 26
    0
    Tarapizza ninada. Well, its nafig with the input of unfinished things. Haste only when catching fleas is good. A classic example - KS-46 Pegasus - the United States to this day cannot finish, but they need it like air, and all because of haste. There is no way to thoughtfully design a tanker - just for the sake of speed - they decided to saw through a passenger Boeing. And that's all. He's still a passenger, not a transport - roughly similar, but in fact - a little, but does not climb. A little bit not scary - we thought at the beginning, now they are emptying them out - either the required tanks do not fit, then the operator has nowhere to put - well, it's true, the filling operator is the most unnecessary member of the crew laughing
    Well, him, there is no war yet, at 41 it was important to do at least something - yes to the front right away, there is no time to finish
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A April 19 2021 09: 58
      -4
      Quote: Cowbra
      Tarapizza ninada. Well, its nafig with the input of unfinished things. Haste only when catching fleas is good. A classic example - KS-46 Pegasus - the United States to this day cannot finish, but they need it like air, and all because of haste. There is no way to thoughtfully design a tanker - just for the sake of speed - they decided to saw through a passenger Boeing. And that's all. He's still a passenger, not a transport - roughly similar, but in fact - a little, but does not climb. A little bit not scary - we thought at the beginning, now they are emptying them out - either the required tanks do not fit, then the operator has nowhere to put - well, it's true, the filling operator is the most unnecessary member of the crew laughing
      Well, him, there is no war yet, at 41 it was important to do at least something - yes to the front right away, there is no time to finish


      The problems, as I understand it, they have eliminated.
      In the first quarter of 2021, 2 units have already been delivered to the Air Force.
      Accelerate.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra April 19 2021 10: 52
        -1
        Quote: SovAr238A
        The problems, as I understand it, they have eliminated.

        W-well ... The top two, as the operator sees the barbell:

        Oh, KS-46 ... It ended my work on the Boeing. It was a complete disaster. If you knew at least half of what I know, you would be shocked. Boeing will win nothing for this program, not a penny (there is a so-called “fixed price” contract). First, the airframe of the aircraft is based on the 767-400 cargo version. Let me ask you. They know it’s not so, but it’s written in the specifications ... Secondly, do you know what was the first blow of fate? The fact that someone initially did not calculate the volume of the cargo compartment - but will it accommodate the containers with fuel declared in the contract? Oops, the cargo hold is too small. As a result, instead of adapting the aircraft, we are engaged in a complete redesign! The deck of the compartment goes down, the fuselage set is altered, partitions are moved apart, all protruding little things are removed ... As a result, the tanks are hardly placed in the salon. And there is even a free space that workers in the plant could squeeze past the tanks to mount them in the compartment. Shit! And, you probably want a pilot in winter arctic uniforms to squeeze through in order to dismantle the tanks in an hour [according to the standard]? Good news for you, then: we have floor panels that can be lifted and launched head-down by the crew member's legs to unload the tank mountings ... Are you going to save a lot on existing systems and assemblies? But excuse me, they do not correspond to the draft design - which is handwritten and contains a lot of mistakes! You will have to redo them! Don't worry, we've worked this way for decades. We use assembly schemes, according to which the factories work without errors! Yes, but your assembly diagrams say "install to drawing" and a link to freehand drawings that do not meet any of the specifications on a Boeing! Well, then you probably have to get the designers to work 7 days a week for 8 months! Don't worry, we will fire them immediately after completing the work! And so you can go on ...

        Not fixed. Design feature - only a new fuselage to do. Well, literally 2-3 days ago, we found out that they are flooded with gomnom if they are not flying near the base. Do you need a toilet?
        When used in "overseas deployment" one of the tanks must be replaced with a universal life support tray - "kitchen-toilet" (usually they combine a bath with a toilet, but they have their own troubles). Due to the non-standard bracing system, the kitchen-toilet tray can only be installed sideways in the cabin (turned 90 degrees). As a result, with such an installation, the check valve does not work in the toilet, and during takeoff and landing of the KS-46A, the contents of the "bucket of honey" are poured into the aircraft cabin ...

        This, however, was eliminated. Do you think the last joint won't come up yet?
  11. Piramidon
    Piramidon April 19 2021 10: 38
    +1
    The press is content with either official statements or rumors.

    No official statements
    Traditionally, Sevmash does not comment on such news, so there is no official information.

    So this whole article is nothing more than rumors from some regular mythical "unnamed sources". And what then is there to discuss and break spears? request
  12. Bez 310
    Bez 310 April 19 2021 13: 37
    +4
    Somehow, many were excited by the news about the "carrier" of some "Poseidons" ... And what are these "Poseidons", who saw them, who knows anything about them?
    1. frog
      frog April 19 2021 15: 08
      +1
      Why know something to shout "URRAA !!" ?? You can shout for any reason ... Nobody is shouting about the terrible beast of EGSONPO))) Many have already forgotten it, but how many delights there were ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 19 2021 23: 33
        -2
        "EGSONPO" - What the hell is this?
        1. frog
          frog April 20 2021 09: 43
          0
          This is not crap, this is a state program with a healthy budget. The budget is gone, just as there is no such "crap". Everything is as usual.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 19 2021 23: 39
      0
      I believe that Poseidon is a robotic mini-submarine - a kamikaze underwater drone with a strategic nuclear charge.
  13. Tests
    Tests April 19 2021 18: 03
    0
    Oh, these sources in the military-industrial complex! Either "Belgorod" will be called "Antey", then "Poseidons" of "Khabarovsk" will be drawn in the 1st compartment, like torpedoes on our first nuclear submarines. SJC, then what was not drawn in the 1st compartment of "Khabarovsk", as on the first "Kazan" - pr. "Axon-2"? Or are specialists in the Russian Federation in hydroacoustics extinct? And the revolving type, as on the Tu-160, under 6 Poseidons each, which launchers were not painted in the 4th and 5th compartments? And on the sides, as on the "Antaeus", for the "Harpsichords" and "Zircons" containers why not draw? You keep wondering: why the steamer "Belgorod" is so long and wide, and the photo in the floating dock "Sukhona" in the water area of ​​SEVMASH is adding this order to the Internet? Could Soviet submariners have fired from aft torpedo tubes back in the 30s of the last century? What about the 650 mm aft torpedo tubes on the "Belgorod" did not remember? And at "Khabarovsk"? And why did they decide that the Sarov, interacting with the Belgorod and Khabarovsk, carries less than 3 special ammunition? The media of the Russian Federation did not recall in vain about the new rubber on the light hulls of nuclear submarines, why don't you write about towed antennas on unmanned aerial vehicles?
    And, most importantly, who and when from the officials of the country or the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation named the deadlines for the completion of this order? And this is called "TASS reports"? Oh, their sources ...
  14. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 22 2021 08: 49
    0
    ... , said a source in the defense industry. The autumn of this year was named new terms, without specifying specific dates. The source did not name the reason for the postponement of the ceremony for several months. Earlier, the launch of the "Khabarovsk" was planned in May, but this is also according to the source

    In general, everything is from the words of the source. The source himself invented the date, he himself transferred it. He's also paid money for such information, so he comes up with it on the go.