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Kravchuk: The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack

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APU in the Donbas



The head of the Ukrainian delegation to the Trilateral Contact Group, Leonid Kravchuk, said that Kiev "is not preparing any offensive operations." According to Kravchuk, "Ukraine will never be the first to take such a step."

Kravchuk:

Moscow wants to present Kiev as an aggressor. The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack. We are constantly fighting back. We defend ourselves from the aggressor.

According to the statement of the first president of Ukraine, there is not a word in any political document about the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Ex-Foreign Minister of Ukraine Pavel Klimkin spoke about the situation and checking the combat readiness of the Russian troops. According to the former minister of the Ukrainian government, Putin "is doing this deliberately, escalating the situation."

Pavel Klimkin calls the movement of Russian troops "preparation for tough trade." At the same time, Klimkin decided to repeat his thesis that "the Kremlin intends to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea."

Former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine:

Tactically, Putin can go ahead. This is not a bluff, this is deliberate blackmail. He intends to bargain with Joe Biden for the preservation of his power and the zone of Russian influence.

Ukrainian former and current politicians continue to make statements that Ukraine "should sooner be accepted into the EU and NATO in order to preserve the territorial integrity of the country." Earlier, the President of Ukraine Zelensky raised this issue in a conversation with Emmanuel Macron. The latter, as reported, did not give an unequivocal answer about the timing of Ukraine's possible admission to Western organizations.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 18 2021 07: 49
    +5
    Well, we started to "torture" ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 18 2021 08: 20
      +23
      Kravchuk: The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack

      Quote: svp67
      Well, we started to "torture" ...


      Well yes - "It never happened“One has only to watch a video from seven years ago, in which ordinary people are trying to prevent the scenario aimed at by those who seized power in the country ...





      1. venik
        venik April 18 2021 08: 44
        +8
        Quote: Insurgent
        Well, yes - "There never was" One has only to watch a video from seven years ago, in which ordinary people are trying to prevent the scenario aimed at by those who seized power in the country ...

        ==============
        good
        "...The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack... ... "
        ========
        From the very beginning of the events in Donbass, in my opinion, this was the only thing she was doing!
        -------
        "....We are constantly fighting back...... "
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        I do not understand WHAT there is more - senile dementia or Kravchuk's pathological deceit?
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        ".... We protect ourselves from the aggressor.... "
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        Towards to the people Donbass, the Ukrainian army is - aggressor!
        drinks
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana April 18 2021 09: 33
          +6
          The head of the Ukrainian delegation to the Trilateral Contact Group, Leonid Kravchuk, said that Kiev "is not preparing any offensive operations." According to Kravchuk, "Ukraine will never be the first to take such a step."

          Kravchuk is an old hardened Ukrainian party apparatchik and a Nazi Bandera liar!

          And meanwhile Western countries have already promised Ukrainian President Zelensky to quickly take him and his family out of Ukraine in the event of the failure of the now impending large-scale offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbass. .

          If ordered from Washington, Zelensky will start a war. They will not order - the Armed Forces of Ukraine will simply continue to rattle and fire at civilians in Donbass, because the ruling elite in Kiev needs to constantly distract the people from the huge number of internal problems in Ukraine itself.

          In general, Zelensky in Kiev is waiting for the go-ahead from Washington.

          The United States provided Zelensky and his family with evacuation from Ukraine due to the failed offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass. • 24 Mar. 2021
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana April 18 2021 09: 45
            +3
            Ex-Foreign Minister of Ukraine Pavel Klimkin spoke about the situation and checking the combat readiness of the Russian troops. According to the former minister of the Ukrainian government, Putin "is doing this deliberately, escalating the situation":
            Tactically, Putin can go ahead. This is not a bluff, this is deliberate blackmail. He intends to bargain with Joe Biden for the preservation of his power and the zone of Russian influence.

            In fact, the ex-minister of Ukraine Klimkin only knows how that, too, the ex-representative of the United States to the UN Samantha Power - successfully lick her hands and hug her around the waist!

            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich April 18 2021 10: 21
              +9
              What a terrible she is ... Yes, and Klimkin is not Hercules ... All swam with fat. He should be like a hall.
              1. NIKN
                NIKN April 18 2021 11: 17
                +2
                The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack
                Yes, if these are not unarmed civilians ...
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 18 2021 15: 00
                  +1
                  Grandfather Kravchuk burns like the last time.
                  Kuchma couldn't do that. He's not that old. laughing
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov April 18 2021 20: 00
                    +2
                    Bandera's henchman Kravchuk is habitually lying. After all, it was not Donbass who came to kill Ukraine, but on the contrary!
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 April 18 2021 20: 03
                      +3
                      One cannot even say that he has lost his conscience.
                      He cannot lose what he never had.
              2. iouris
                iouris April 18 2021 12: 17
                -4
                Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                What a scary she is ... and Klimkin

                And if ..., then what?
              3. tolmachiev51
                tolmachiev51 April 19 2021 03: 46
                0
                Psaki, in comparison with her - "beauty" !!! Impudent Saxons, for the most part, "fear of God"!
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis April 18 2021 13: 49
              +2
              Quote: Tatiana
              In fact, the ex-minister of Ukraine Klimkin only knows how that, too, the ex-representative of the United States to the UN Samantha Power - successfully lick her hands and hug her around the waist!

              Couple ... Damn !!!! Chugunkin and Samantochka ... ... And then they ask where the mutant children come from ... In this case, no radiation is needed ...
            3. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov April 18 2021 20: 08
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              In fact, the ex-minister of Ukraine Klimkin only knows how that, too, the ex-representative of the United States to the UN Samantha Power - successfully lick her hands and hug her around the waist!

              Well, you can't feel the feelings of people like that! The picture of the "sweet couple" makes me sick !!!
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins April 18 2021 08: 45
        -11%
        Kravchuk is also unpleasant to me, but you give an example of incorrect videos - this is marches, movement, but not an attack.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 18 2021 09: 09
          +3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          these are marches, movement, but certainly not an attack.



        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 18 2021 09: 28
          +9
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Kravchuk is also unpleasant to me, but you give an example of incorrect videos - these are marches, movement, but certainly not an attack.

          Oh-oh-oh ... Chief! Something you haven't been to VO for a long time.

          Well, yes, an example is "so-so". Now if civilians had RPGs and machine guns, then obviously then it could be called a battle ...

          But what then, if not a forceful invasion (attack) of the Ukrainian Armed Forces controlled by the junta, which did not recognize the coup in Kiev on the territory?

          And also the Leader, the shooting of the Internal Affairs Department in Mariupol on May 9, 2014 is an attack, or too "peaceful march of the APU"?
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        3. nnm
          nnm April 18 2021 09: 38
          +11
          Excuse me, can I give you links to the bravura statements of Ukraine about how they occupy positions in the "gray zone" where they should not be? Moreover, with the cries of the leadership of the Nazi units that no order would force them to retreat to previously agreed positions.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 18 2021 09: 52
            +7
            Quote: nnm
            Excuse me, can I give you links to the bravura statements of Ukraine about how they occupy positions in the "gray zone" where they should not be?

            Useless yes With a certain way "politically savvy"Leader, your examples, arguments and references will not work.
      3. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima April 18 2021 09: 03
        +5
        One has only to watch a video from seven years ago

        And then they also say - no one forced you to take up arms. In their opinion, I should have immediately put my throat under the knife. Come on, I’ve already lived by that time, I’ve seen a lot, give them my daughter too ... Critters ...
      4. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice April 18 2021 10: 09
        +2
        In the West, it was shown how the locals stopped Russian tanks.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 18 2021 11: 57
          +2
          Quote: Alex Justice
          In the West, it was shown how the locals stopped Russian tanks.

          Well, they even now, the echelons with Ukrop equipment are called "Russian" in their reports.
      5. frruc
        frruc April 18 2021 10: 17
        +4
        The kaklov have a wealth of experience to operate under the cover of civilians, from ambushes, from under the tishka. Bender and UPA UNSO methods. Good OUN-hanging on a birch tree.
      6. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 18 2021 13: 14
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        Kravchuk: The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack

        Quote: svp67
        Well, we started to "torture" ...


        Well yes - "It never happened“One has only to watch a video from seven years ago, in which ordinary people are trying to prevent the scenario aimed at by those who seized power in the country ...






        terrible shots, I remember them from 2014

        What kind of NON-HUMANS could do this to their supposedly citizens?

        My opinion-must it was then to annex the LDNR, like the Crimea, to protect these wonderful residents of Donbass so that these animals could not crush them and shoot ...
    2. Zug
      Zug April 18 2021 08: 37
      0
      No, they are shouting from all the Erekhon pipes that "they say we won't go, we don't want to" But you don't hear us and don't take us away. And then a provocation and a verdict: We asked, demanded and they ... Napali. And we warned the public .Usual hysteria
      1. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor April 18 2021 08: 43
        +4
        "This has never happened, and now again ..." (c) V. Chernomyrdin.
        1. Zug
          Zug April 18 2021 09: 19
          +1
          You see ... this is the most
    3. max702
      max702 April 18 2021 09: 16
      +4
      When does a Ukrainian lie? As soon as he opens his mouth ...
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 18 2021 09: 51
        +1
        Quote: max702
        When does a Ukrainian lie? As soon as he opens his mouth ...

        You have insulted a whole people, it is not good. In Ukraine, they hate and despise Kravchuk no less than we do.
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino April 18 2021 10: 06
          +3
          And they love Russia. It's good to insult Russia, isn't it?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk April 18 2021 10: 45
            -2
            Quote: El Chuvachino
            And they love Russia. It's good to insult Russia, isn't it?

            Is this all of Ukraine? One thing is clear - the Englishwoman and the mattress toppers have achieved their goal not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia - the percentage of those who hate the PEOPLE of Ukraine has greatly increased. I hope this percentage is not very high.
            Divide and conquer, nothing new. And you fell for this bait. Alas for you.
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino April 18 2021 12: 07
              +1
              Have you ever had clairvoyants in your family? Suddenly you inherited mind-reading, otherwise I didn't seem to say anything about hatred. Or is it you just one size fits all share on the principle of "hates the one with whom I disagree"?

              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Is this all of Ukraine?

              This is a key part of it. In other words, their "color of the nation". Which is now in adulthood and is the main engine of the country now and in the future. And the current puberty is growing up to help them, which has been cultivated for years with hatred of Russia and everything Russian in particular. I don’t know who you have to be so as not to understand that it will only get worse.
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis April 18 2021 13: 58
            -1
            Quote: El Chuvachino
            And they love Russia. It's good to insult Russia, isn't it?

            Listen! We're not talking about svidoukrah. These guys have roots of different nations .. Jewish, (Valtsman-Zelensky-capitelman), Armenian Arsen Borisovich Avakov, Russian Turchinov, Ukrainian kravchuk ... ... THIS IS Svidomye. There is no need to inflate nationalism here!
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino April 18 2021 14: 30
              -1
              If you have Russian Turchinov, (you determine by the last name ?!) then I am Darth Vader from Tatooine!

              What are you carrying...? You accuse me of nationalism and you yourself begin to dig into the roots, identifying them by their SURNAMES. fool
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis April 18 2021 18: 02
                -1
                [quote = El Chuvachino] If your Turchinov is Russian, (do you define it by last name ?!) then I am Darth Vader from Tatooine!

                What are you carrying...? You accuse me of nationalism and you yourself begin to dig into the roots, identifying them by their SURNAMES. fool[/ q I define by ethnic origin. For example, Klimkin is an ethnic Russian from Kursk. Now they have all become Ukrainians .. All these Svidoukrobanderovtsy.
            2. boris epstein
              boris epstein April 18 2021 15: 29
              0
              So Kapitelman-like Tymoshenko. Or have they already bred?
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis April 18 2021 17: 53
                0
                Quote: boris epstein
                So Kapitelman-like Tymoshenko. Or have they already bred?

                Tymoshenko is her husband's surname.
        2. max702
          max702 April 18 2021 10: 09
          +9
          Former Russians who identified themselves as Ukrainians have offended themselves .. There is no Ukrainian people .. There are vyrus ..
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis April 18 2021 13: 53
        -3
        Quote: max702
        When does a Ukrainian lie? As soon as he opens his mouth ...

        In Russia, half of the people have Ukrainian surnames! You have now tried to offend the Russian people!
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis April 19 2021 07: 20
          0
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: max702
          When does a Ukrainian lie? As soon as he opens his mouth ...

          In Russia, half of the people have Ukrainian surnames! You have now tried to offend the Russian people!

          Svidoukrobanderivtsi were offended ... by the fact that in Russia many people have Ukrainian surnames ... They've gotten rid of the minuses ... They could have burned them alive, like people in Odessa !!!
    4. yehat2
      yehat2 April 19 2021 14: 54
      -1
      never happened and now again
  2. xorek
    xorek April 18 2021 07: 49
    +9
    This Judas Kravchuk still won't calm down.
    1. Kaman
      Kaman April 18 2021 07: 55
      -17%
      Is Kravchuk Judas? He is Ukrainian
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. April 18 2021 07: 59
        +17
        Kravchuk is not a Ukrainian ... he is a Bandera, a Nazi with radical views.
        I am very surprised how such a rotten soul could become a member of the CPSU and get into the highest echelons of power in the USSR.
        1. Kaman
          Kaman April 18 2021 07: 59
          -15%
          Yeah. After all, everyone knows that the members of the Politburo were knights without fear or reproach. They are the real elite of the nation, not some academician Likhachev or professor Nikolai Nikulin.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. April 18 2021 08: 05
            +14
            A member of the Politburo of the CPSU, Kravchuk, is a vivid example of how one can decompose to the state of a political corpse.
            The fact that a person was a member of the Communist Party does not mean that he is a real communist.
            The Communist Party of the USSR has rotted from the inside precisely because of such members.
            1. Kaman
              Kaman April 18 2021 08: 06
              -16%
              But under Stalin and Brezhnev, they were the elite?
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. April 18 2021 08: 14
                +10
                Power corrupts any elite with a rotten soul, if a person has no moral brakes, expect trouble from him.
                1. boris epstein
                  boris epstein April 18 2021 15: 36
                  +2
                  "Power corrupts any elite with a rotten soul,"
                  Only when control over the increase in the level of knowledge and understanding (surrender of the party minimum and maximum of the party) and the purge of the party ceases, which happened under Khrushchev. There was a saying in the KGB: everyone works for himself to the extent of his understanding, and works to the extent of his lack of understanding on the one who understands more.
            2. AlexVas44
              AlexVas44 April 18 2021 08: 22
              +18
              That's right, it is. Kravchuk is one of those who, for the sake of a career, joined the Communist Party. This is, by definition, a political prostitute. Benefits will appear, join any party, change their views in an instant, which is what Kravchuk did. And now, in general, hatred sprinkles out of him, again to stay afloat ... He started with errands for the Banderaites, and ends with this.
            3. nnm
              nnm April 18 2021 09: 45
              +6
              To be honest, he has not grown to membership in the Politburo. But otherwise you are right, such as Kravchuk, Yeltsin, Gorbachev, etc., and destroyed the USSR for the sake of gaining personal power in their estates on the ruins of a great country.
          2. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn April 18 2021 08: 28
            +1
            Quote: Kaman
            They are the real elite of the nation, and not some academician Likhachev or professor Nikolai Nikulin.

            Aliyev Heydar, for example ... wink
        2. venik
          venik April 18 2021 08: 54
          +7
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Kravchuk is not a Ukrainian ... he is a Bandera, a Nazi with radical views.

          ======
          Yes, he does not have any "views" and "beliefs" - this is chameleonforever repainted in the colors of the environment! Or - vane - which is spinning - where the wind blows!
          This is the most dangerous "breed" of homo sapiens - without honor, without conscience, always ready for betrayal, and any meanness! The deceitful and unscrupulous sycophants, unfortunately, too often manage to make a career - they are difficult to calculate, it is even more difficult to fight them! This is how Kravchuk made his "career" in the Ukrainian SSR .....
          1. Revolver
            Revolver April 18 2021 09: 54
            +3
            Quote: venik
            weather vane - which revolves - where the wind blows!

            As they said then, "hesitated along with the general line." lol
          2. sniperino
            sniperino April 18 2021 11: 23
            0
            Quote: venik
            weather vane - which revolves - where the wind blows!
            They write that Yeltsin and Shushkevich tried to persuade him to sign an agreement, and at first he excused himself, they say, he has no authority to do such a thing, there are doubts, etc., but having broken a little agreed.
        3. sniperino
          sniperino April 18 2021 09: 04
          +3
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          I am very surprised how such a rotten soul could become a member of the CPSU and get into the highest echelons of power in the USSR
          All the other rotten little souls in the highest echelons of power in the USSR do not bother you at all, only Kravchuk? The others were all ideological communists? I would be surprised if at least one such communist was found there.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. April 18 2021 09: 12
            +3
            One size fits all, I would not equal. what There were also convinced communists there, but they could not oppose anything to the system of relations within the party ... they saw a scoundrel in a leading position, but there was no way to remove the stuck parasite. And this parasite climbed higher on the career ladder destroying everything around ... so our state collapsed ... undermined by them.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino April 18 2021 09: 55
              0
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              There were also convinced communists there, but they could not oppose anything to the system of relations within the party ... they saw a scoundrel in a leading position, but there was no way to remove the stuck parasite
              We saw and were silent ... Are you sure you are writing about the communists? I am ready to admit that there could be a patriot in the Politburo who wants to help his country in some way, conscientious, but too weak in spirit, not ready for political and ideological struggle (what actually distinguishes a communist from a state official, a party functionary and a good business executive), but adapted to the imperfections of the system so much that he lived peacefully with scoundrels and parasites. The system did not allow ideological fighters to come to power.
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk April 18 2021 10: 52
            +2
            Quote: sniperino
            I would be surprised if at least one such communist was found there.

            Start to wonder - O. Sheinin is a member of the Politburo.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino April 18 2021 11: 07
              -2
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Quote: sniperino
              I would be surprised if at least one such communist was found there.
              Start to wonder - O. Sheinin is a member of the Politburo.
              It is surprising that you do not even really know his last name (Shenin) and, probably, you can only write down support for the Emergency Committee in his communist asset, but somewhere in him you saw a real communist. I also supported the Emergency Committee, but after Stalin I did not notice the Communists. Stalin, even from Grazhdanskaya, was not afraid to enter into an open confrontation, which turned into an irreconcilable ideological and political struggle, with Trotsky himself, the No. 1 heavyweight after Lenin left the political ring of the USSR.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk April 18 2021 14: 24
                +1
                Quote: sniperino
                It is surprising that you do not even know his surname plainly (Shenin)

                I admit. And there is a hole in the old woman. At my age, no wonder.
                Quote: sniperino
                in his communist asset you can write only support for the Emergency Committee,

                What, in your opinion, should he have done to make you see him as a communist?
            2. boris epstein
              boris epstein April 18 2021 15: 49
              +2
              Nina Aleksandrovna Andreeva (her article: "I can't give up my principles"), early Gennady Andreevich Zyuganov, Anpilov, Ilyukhin, Valentin Ivanovich Varennikov, in Ukraine - Pyotr Nikolaevich Simonenko, Charodeev, Ivashko - all of them performed with articles, in Kazakhstan - Nursultan Nazarbayev (if he had been elected General Secretary, and not Gorbachev, the USSR would not have collapsed) And there is no need to compare that Nazarbayev and the present-35 years have passed.
        4. yehat2
          yehat2 April 19 2021 14: 56
          0
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          I am very surprised how such a rotten soul could become a member of the CPSU and get into the highest echelons of power in the USSR.

          after Khrushchev and the degeneration of the top of the party, only such and fell.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 18 2021 08: 15
        +5
        Quote: Kaman
        Is Kravchuk Judas? He is Ukrainian

        Who is worse? winked
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. April 18 2021 08: 33
          +10
          I once traveled around Ukraine under Gorbachev on business trips, communicated with different people, and most of them are the same people as we are, I was shocked when I saw a Bandera soldier in Lviv in full dress, in uniform with regalia, and this was still under Soviet rule.
          The connivance of the Bandera supporters on the ground led to the fact that this brown infection seized power in Ukraine ... Kravchuk probably had a hand in this.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky April 18 2021 08: 40
            +8
            The fact of the matter is that the unfinished Bandera, with the connivance of the local authorities, managed not only to preserve their underground ideology, but also to make it a state policy by spreading it throughout Ukraine.
            1. Tuzik
              Tuzik April 18 2021 10: 06
              +1
              Their whole ideology boils down to the fact that we do not like this owner, we want another. And the question arises why did this opinion have so many supporters?
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky April 18 2021 10: 15
                +4
                Quote: Tuzik
                And the question arises why did this opinion have so many supporters?

                They ate one, go to another in the hope that they will feed them more satisfyingly. In short, their entire perception of the world goes through the gastrointestinal tract.
                I believe that if a miracle happened and tomorrow the Russians began to eat black caviar from silver bowls, and their children played with golden cubes, then the day after tomorrow the representatives of the "Skipopota" tribe tore the mattress flags in rags and spat towards the USA and Europe with cries of "matrasyaku" to Gilyak "and" Get Europe ".
                1. Tuzik
                  Tuzik April 18 2021 10: 21
                  +1
                  A plus! And there is. And not only with Ukraine. Anglo-Saxons saw this moment long ago
            2. sniperino
              sniperino April 18 2021 10: 48
              +1
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              unfinished Bandera
              In Ukraine - Bandera, in Belarus, Armenia, Georgia, Latvia, Estonia and other republics, with the connivance or under the leadership of local authorities, local nationalists and Nazis appeared, blaming Russians, Jews and other ethnic groups for their troubles. The peoples did not become fraternal, and therefore their union did not become age-old, although it was sung about it in one famous song. The roots of nationalism turned out to be not in the superstructure over productive forces and production relations, but much deeper than them, and the change in the political and socio-economic system did not affect interethnic relations.
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk April 18 2021 10: 53
          0
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Quote: Kaman
          Is Kravchuk Judas? He is Ukrainian

          Who is worse? winked

          You.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky April 18 2021 12: 29
            +1
            You yourself first decide who you are blowing for, Judas Kravchuk, or Ukrainian Kravchuk? Although it is so clear, you are blowing for Kravchuk in any of his incarnations, more like attracts like.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk April 18 2021 13: 31
              +1
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Although it is so clear, you are blowing for Kravchuk in any of his incarnations, more like attracts like.

              It's like getting sick with brains to come to this conclusion. I do not "blow" for Kravchuk, but for the fact that people are not compared to shit. To format it a little, to heal your Moscow Union of Artists, I will give an example - how many will be piled in Russia? Do they define the entire people of Russia? It is the same in Ukraine. Not Bandera and Kravchuk define the people of Ukraine. Yes, today the people of Ukraine, being every second under the tough pressure of the Ukrainian media, are confused and have lost their orientation in the political space, but not all. Look on YouTube videos "Our". This is a TV channel closed by Janeloch. You do not follow the internal polit. life in Ukraine, and I follow. In addition, I have firsthand information from Ukraine. Those. from its inhabitants.
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 18 2021 09: 56
        +1
        Quote: Kaman
        Is Kravchuk Judas? He is Ukrainian

        I'm afraid to injure your Moscow, but Oles Buzina is also a Ukrainian
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich April 18 2021 10: 26
          0
          Krasnoyarsk, it is impossible to compare O. Buzina and Krachuk. Sorry, but here you are wrong.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk April 18 2021 13: 35
            +3
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            Krasnoyarsk, it is impossible to compare O. Buzina and Krachuk. Sorry, but here you are wrong.

            No, I wasn't wrong. It was a certain "Kaman" who compared Kravchuk with the Ukrainians, and since O. Buzin is also a Ukrainian, it means that he put an equal sign between Kravchuk and Buzina. I disagreed with that. You are inattentive.
            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich April 18 2021 14: 41
              +1
              In that case, I'm sorry. I take my words back.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk April 18 2021 15: 08
                0
                Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                In that case, I'm sorry. I take my words back.

                We drove through. hi
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      5. VORON538
        VORON538 April 18 2021 13: 16
        -1
        "So he's a Bulgarian ... Yes ...? What's the difference ???" (c)
    2. Financier
      Financier April 18 2021 15: 44
      +11
      Quote: xorek
      This Judas Kravchuk still won't calm down.

      Judas only death can calm yes
  3. Pavel73
    Pavel73 April 18 2021 07: 51
    +2
    When both sides swear by oath that they will not be the first to start, one should expect great sabotage or provocation from a third party. Who benefits from this whole war.
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. April 18 2021 07: 52
    +1
    In light of the lack of negotiation of the Kiev regime, their opinion is unlikely to be taken into account in a possible future meeting between Biden and Putin.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 18 2021 07: 53
    +8
    It became scary. So they gave the back ... Verbally smashing the Russian airborne divisions or Armata tanks with dozens, with one bayonet with a knife is one thing, but actually clashing is quite, quite another.
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  6. Tusv
    Tusv April 18 2021 07: 55
    +1
    What can I say about the dementia of the former leaders of the Square. We have to resort to the wisdom of Viktor Stepanych, as soon as: "Not when it was not and here again" - so immediately - "You are not here." Look at your owners, as soon as Ex, the chip is immediately chopped off, and you have everything started
  7. Kaman
    Kaman April 18 2021 07: 58
    -13%
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    It became scary. So they gave the back ... Verbally smashing the Russian airborne divisions or Armata tanks with dozens, with one bayonet with a knife is one thing, but actually clashing is quite, quite another.


    So the same can be said about uryakalok from the other side.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 18 2021 08: 02
      +4
      This is an objective reality. It is possible to break the Ukrainian offensive in a couple of days without even crossing the border with large forces. It already was and worked great in '14. Now if they don't understand it will be even tougher.
      1. Kaman
        Kaman April 18 2021 08: 16
        -11%
        It's always easier on the defensive. And if the other way around? Ukrainians will burn T-90s with javelins - be healthy.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 18 2021 08: 52
          +4
          Be healthy?) Do you think the commanders of tank units are downs who, having intelligence data that the area is saturated with ATGMs, will trample forward?), Given its extremely short range, the artillery will just start working there to begin with. UAVs will be suspended throughout the area. To burn something, first you have to survive) the air defense will be extinguished in the very first hours. The drummers will burn everything they find there. Without aviation, the 404 does not shine at all from the word at all.
        2. Konstantin Shevchenko
          Konstantin Shevchenko April 18 2021 08: 57
          +2
          Before you can shoot with a javelin, you must be able to survive.
        3. boris epstein
          boris epstein April 18 2021 16: 01
          +3
          And who told you that before the T-90 enters, pinpoint missile strikes will not destroy the warehouses, headquarters, communications and command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? And only 5-7 percent will try to resist. But in 7 years they all have already shown themselves, they are already known by their last names and faces. And it will be like in Odessa when it was liberated from the Nazis: when the Red Army entered Odessa, SMERSH had nothing to do - the Hitlerites' henchmen, who did not have time to escape, were hung near their yards by local residents. And for those who died on May 2, 2014, Odessa will repeat this.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino April 18 2021 16: 44
            +3
            Quote: Boris Epstein
            And the survivors will not begin to surrender en masse or skedaddle to the West?
            In the west, NATO detachments are already waiting for them, they will not let them through.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv April 18 2021 08: 21
      +8
      Quote: Kaman
      So the same can be said about uryakalok from the other side.

      What are you talking about now? About the Red Banner, indestructible Buryat armored division? So this is a meme born in an inflamed Ukrainian mind
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 18 2021 07: 58
    +1
    Well, the scheme is correct ... it's good that the illusions are gone.
  9. oracul
    oracul April 18 2021 08: 00
    +7
    Actually for Ukraine, since the time of the Zaporozhye Sich, it has always been characteristic of the desire to join someone and attack as part of a pack. And in troubled times they went to Moscow, supporting the Poles. True, when they came across real strength, the ambition was sharply blown away.
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 18 2021 08: 05
    +4
    What kind of Europe, what kind of NATO? Ukraine is a bargaining chip in big politics. No one will ask her opinion, as in that joke of Winipuh and Pyatochyok.
  11. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 18 2021 08: 07
    +8
    Ukrainian politicians continue to make statements that Ukraine "should sooner be accepted into the EU and NATO in order to preserve the country's territorial integrity." Earlier, the President of Ukraine Zelensky raised this issue in a conversation with Emmanuel Macronohm. The one reportedly he did not give an unambiguous answer about the timing of Ukraine's possible admission to Western organizations
    What are the deadlines for the stump? Macron and Merkel are already pounding with a nervous tick with hiccups when they hear about Ukraine. Probably 100 times they regretted that they had contacted this hemorrhoid. For half a century, the Turks have been trampled in the European dressing room in anticipation of being accepted to Europe and do not buzz, and these upstarts scream "open the gates of Europe" almost three days later, yes "Where is our pot in NATO?"
    1. nnm
      nnm April 18 2021 09: 48
      +4
      And why take them somewhere, if they not only calmly and obediently, but with great joy carry out all the orders of the owners? There is no sense from the reception.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 18 2021 09: 55
        +3
        Quote: nnm
        And why take them somewhere, if they not only calmly and obediently, but with great joy carry out all the orders of the owners? There is no sense from the reception.
        I agree. Their puppeteers gave them the status of a "priority partner", which makes it possible to use the resources of Ukraine almost in full, while not burdening themselves with any legal obligations. They will stay in this status until the owners lose interest in them. hi
      2. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima April 18 2021 12: 48
        -1
        Something remembered the famous statement of Ozerov

        We don’t need such hockey!


        And for them it is quite a familiar thing ... For this reason, it is worth playing not only for rupture of ligaments, for rupture of the aorta, otherwise they will not understand ...
  12. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 18 2021 08: 07
    +5
    The old senile will not calm down in any way?
    Ukrainians, how do you withstand such? Come follow us! (This proposal does not apply to Bandera, you go for it)
    To be remembered! It's still March 2014!

    I’ll also find how flyers are trying to disperse the crowd on a low level ..
  13. usr01
    usr01 April 18 2021 08: 08
    0
    In the title - the word "first" - delete. (error!)
    Many Germans wrote about the qualities of the "Ukrainian army" in their memoirs ...
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 April 18 2021 08: 10
    +1
    Kravchuk: The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack
    ... That's right ... what attacked was there, ukrobandits!
    Once again, I would like to note that Kravchuk is .... pi pi pi.
    1. cniza
      cniza April 18 2021 08: 49
      +2
      Something has become a lot of it lately, what is it for?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 18 2021 14: 18
        +1
        The final chord of the final gov in w / n / yuka.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 18 2021 16: 07
          +2
          Maybe all the crap would be visible? lol
  15. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker April 18 2021 08: 11
    +1
    Lord ...
    What can a Bandera horse know when attacking?
  16. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev April 18 2021 08: 11
    +1
    The peacefulness of Ukraine does not raise any doubts among 1 billion "progressive mankind", because the Armed Forces of Ukraine even farts with violets.
  17. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich April 18 2021 08: 17
    0
    The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack.

    It's clear business. The specialization of the Ukrainian army is the first and only one to get out of the boilers.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 18 2021 08: 45
      +1

      Sidor Amenpodestovich (Flavius ​​Vespasianovich)
      Today, 08: 17
      NEW
      +1
      The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack.

      It's clear business. The specialization of the Ukrainian army is the first and only one to get out of the boilers.
      They didn't come out, they were released. They regretted (and it turns out in vain!) They let the ukrovoyak out of the boilers alive ... And in gratitude they want to fight again.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich April 18 2021 08: 55
        +2
        Quote: aszzz888
        They didn't come out, they were released. They regretted (and it turns out in vain!) They let the ukrovoyak out of the boilers alive ... And in gratitude they want to fight again.

        Good never goes unpunished, alas.
  18. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 18 2021 08: 43
    +2
    Klimkin decided to repeat his thesis that "the Kremlin intends to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea."
    Why do you need the Black Sea? To catch gobies? Okay, we will sell if you ask me strongly! laughing
    1. cniza
      cniza April 18 2021 08: 48
      +2
      They do everything themselves to lose it. yes
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 April 18 2021 08: 49
        +1

        cniza (Victor)
        Today, 08: 48

        +1
        They do everything themselves to lose it. yes
        We only need to help out the trochs, and then let them howl! wink
        1. cniza
          cniza April 18 2021 08: 50
          +1
          Uh-huh, show the place where to put ... lol
  19. cniza
    cniza April 18 2021 08: 47
    +5
    According to the statement of the first president of Ukraine, there is not a word in any political document about the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


    What's hot? So they will be judged by your deeds, not by your papers ...
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 18 2021 08: 54
      +2
      cniza
      cniza (Victor)
      Today, 08: 47
      +1
      According to the statement of the first president of Ukraine, there is not a word in any political document about the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      What's hot? So they will be judged by your deeds, not by your papers ...
      So this Nazi pribluda will be the first to put up a white flag, and forget about his two-shot, with which he promised the whole world to shoot a "Voroga", read Russian. (Otherwise they might stick it instead of a stake)
      1. cniza
        cniza April 18 2021 09: 01
        +3
        By their actions, they have already signed a verdict for themselves and they will not be able to excuse themselves ...
  20. Boromir1941
    Boromir1941 April 18 2021 09: 26
    -1
    they lost their integrity when the Crimea left
  21. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 April 18 2021 09: 36
    +1
    It gives a stump ... and into the cauldrons, how they got there. They squeaked but climbed
  22. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 April 18 2021 09: 38
    +4
    But the truth is the truth. The Ukrainian army was never the first to attack. Usually the Germans walked in front, and the Ukrainian pidrozdily policemen in the rear.
    1. nnm
      nnm April 18 2021 09: 53
      +6
      What are you talking about ?? !! Even how I walked !!!! Their now beloved SS division "Galicia" dearly met the Red Army units once. Just the same heroically gave a rebuff to the red thief. It just defended the whole of Europe from the red threat of the barbarians (as Poroshenko or Ze now declared). If memory serves, then for about 4 hours a division against about a regiment stood near Brody. And then she fled having lost up to 60% of the personnel and was never able to restore combat effectiveness again. laughing .
      But you are completely right - to fight with the civilian population is their "strong point" from which they have not left to this day.
      And I can't remember anything more idiotic than the Battle of Kruty in military history. This is the one that is now being presented in Ukraine as a great victory over us - they heroically gathered to fight with us, at our first return shots they fled, immediately got lost, prompted for several hours and again went exactly to our positions where they surrendered to us.
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 April 18 2021 10: 23
        +1
        Nope. SS-Galitsien never attacked either. We were sitting at home, near Brody, and here unshaven Muscovites in quilted jackets swooped in, and how they began to humiliate the national gidnist with waffle towels! All viysko dispersed. And the Germans, as luck would have it, were not around, they had to "retreat to prepared positions."
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        1. nnm
          nnm April 18 2021 21: 42
          +1
          Quote: silverura
          Pyotr Konashevich-Sagaidachny, took Moscow in 1618.

          "All this is certainly true, all of this is certainly true," but ...
          1. How modestly you kept silent about the fact that Moscow was bled out by twice beating off the Poles before.
          2. What did you keep silent about who he served for? Spoiler: oh, and he loved, like Mazepa, to run from owner to owner, if only they paid more.
          3. And after only 2 years, can you tell me what he asked the Russian Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich? Spoiler: I humbly asked for the honor of serving for the good of Russia. laughing
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich April 18 2021 09: 57
      +2
      Yeah. In this Ukrainian pidrozdily are strong. ) Khatyn for example. Cattle(
  23. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 18 2021 09: 56
    0
    Why? .. After all, golden words!)
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  25. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor April 18 2021 10: 02
    +2
    The Ukrainian army did not exist until the 91st as well as Ukraine, and now it is not an army but fascist punishers, the army will not go to war with civilians.
  26. vavilon
    vavilon April 18 2021 10: 03
    +1
    Kravchuk is a person whose words are at odds with deeds, if he asserts something, then everything will be reversed, it is not for nothing that he was nicknamed "the cunning fox"
  27. iouris
    iouris April 18 2021 12: 19
    +2
    Makarych, what is this army that is the second to attack?
  28. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 18 2021 12: 28
    +2
    The Ukrainian military, of course, will not go first ... The stoned and wide-eyed bastards from the "Right Sector" will go, whose task will be a large-scale provocation with shooting in both directions and a senseless massacre, by analogy with the actions of the Nachtigall schutsmanschaft ..
  29. paco.soto
    paco.soto April 18 2021 14: 44
    +1
    The foreigner's neutral opinion has long been: right now was the time to read all the commentaries. Listen to comrades, the commentators! Europe has been for 20 years already, the CIS and Russia are rich, sometimes we talk about discussed topics here.
    1e: respect and take care of the Russian language, scoundrels !!!
    2e: there will never be any performances of your frank "wishes about repeating"
    3rd,: with respect to you all! My fellow countrymen!
  30. Financier
    Financier April 18 2021 15: 37
    +6
    Kravchuk: The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack

    It never happened, especially in 2014, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine unleashed a civil war in the country. And now it is the Ukrainian Armed Forces that are shelling and killing the civilian population of Donbass.
  31. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 18 2021 15: 57
    -1
    there is no more room in my soul for you!
  32. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 18 2021 18: 07
    +1
    "Kravchuk: The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack"
    Never was this, and here again ...
    Lyonya / Lyonya ... You yourself were proud that there were no civil wars in UA with you!
    I remember that very well.
    And I'm starting to understand what you are all about!
    This was conceived back in '93. As it turns out ...
    And with you, they really didn't happen.
    Since the country was walking by inertia, not understanding what was happening at all!? ..
    Why are you meddling in these matters now? Why disgrace yourself?
    Sit on a penny, grow strawberries in the garden ... request
  33. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 18 2021 18: 25
    0
    He's right. The Skakuas army never went on the attack. They just jumped out to attack, so they immediately got on cabbage soup and either marinated in cauldrons, or skidded, ahead of their own screeching. "The scum of humanity", as was sung in one good song, which now causes uncontrolled defecation among the "authorities of Ukraine."
  34. sawic1
    sawic1 April 19 2021 04: 05
    0
    Yeah, but for some reason all the dead are usually in the gray zone, how do they end up there?
  35. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 19 2021 04: 22
    0
    "There has never been that the Ukrainian army was the first to attack" - are you talking about the Bandera punishers !!! ??? Everything to the point ..
  36. andrew42
    andrew42 April 19 2021 19: 30
    +1
    “The Ukrainian army has never been the first to attack.” - It's funny. Why so disgrace their warriors then! It would be better if Kravchuk called his Banderaites just cowards. Diplomatic. On the other hand, the old Banderaites are right! It is difficult to imagine an OUN member raising a platoon from a trench on the enemy's machine guns, like "For the Motherland! For Bandera!" It's like a polar bear in Africa.
  37. Graduate student
    Graduate student April 22 2021 21: 12
    +6
    Kravchuk

    Kravchuk's brain has never been distinguished by anything outstanding, now it has completely degraded.