The US Air Force announced the implementation of a "record-long range" missile launch from an F-15 fighter

The American press reports about "unique" missile tests that were carried out by the US Air Force at the Eglin test site. Reports say that the tests involved an F-15 fighter that was lifted from Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida.

From reports coming from the United States Air Force:

Air Force fighter F-15C Eagle carried out a record-breaking missile launch. As a result of the missile launch, the BQM-167 "Skeeter" drone was shot down as a target.

At the same time, the messages do not contain specific data on how far the American Air Force fighter fired the missile.

According to some reports, a modification of the AIM-120D AMRAAM rocket was launched. Earlier it was reported that it can cover a distance to the target of 100 miles (about 161 km).

What is known about the air target

UAV BQM-167 "Skeeter" is equipped with a MicroTurbo Tri 60-5 + engine. It is capable of speeds up to 0,92 M (up to about 1,1 thousand km / h). The maximum flight altitude is 15 thousand meters. The drone is capable of intensive maneuvering - at overloads up to 9 g. At the same time, he can shoot heat traps - "distracting" the ammunition fired at him.

It is known that missile tests in the United States were carried out with the participation of servicemen from the 28th Test and Assessment Squadron and the 83rd Fighter Squadron. aviation air force squadrons. The reports say that the Air Force is working to increase the range of destruction of targets "to reduce the risks associated with the activities of enemy air defense."

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

At the same time, the messages do not contain specific data on how far the American Air Force fighter fired the missile.

It is customary for the Zhentylmen to take their word for it! Record means record, why numbers.

[Russ]

A pie from the shelf to the gentlemen ...

[Russ]

I look ... sorry for the pie ...

[Kaman]

AIM-120D is a serious thing, of its competitors, only the latest version of DERBY is visible

[NIKN]

The drone is capable of intensive maneuvering - at overloads up to 9 g. At the same time, he can shoot heat traps - "distracting" the ammunition fired at him.

Progress however. As I remember, they put beacons on the target, at least all targets imitating ballistic missiles were equipped with such ... that's interesting, for a "record" launch (to fix a "record") did they resort to these techniques? Although it was originally created as a target, then its functions were further expanded, like they tried to use it as a jammer. And judging by the drone at such a distance, it already glows like a flashlight.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: NIKNN

Ron is able to maneuver intensively - at g-forces up to 9 g. At the same time, he can shoot heat traps - "distracting" the ammunition fired at him.

Mdaaaa ...! This is something ...!

[figwam]

it can cover a distance of 100 miles (about 161 km) to a target.

And the truth is that there are our 300-400 km. The Yankees said a record means a record.

[Zaurbek]

They must be compared with medium-range missiles in-in ..... type P27, etc.

[figwam]

Quote: Zaurbek

They must be compared to medium-range missiles.

161 km is a long-range missile, and the R-27 is an average one.

[Zaurbek]

I was average ...

[figwam]

Quote: Zaurbek

I was average ...

Because the United States does not have long-range missiles, but for the sake of a record and the R-27, the same will fly 160 km and hit the target.

[hydrox]

And who said about 161 km, if Vicki indicates a range of 100 km (a little more)?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: figvam

161 km is a long-range missile, and the R-27 is an average one.

This is 161 km long range for them, and for ours it is average. Let's fuck the enemy on his territory, why do we need him here?

[Bad_gr]

According to some reports, a modification of the AIM-120D AMRAAM rocket was launched. Earlier it was reported that it can cover a distance to the target of 100 miles (about 161 km).

And what is the record? maybe a record in some class of missiles? Or did the F-15 shoot so far for the first time?

[voyaka uh]

They usually shoot at 2/3 of the maximum range. For reliability. The missiles are not cheap, the ammunition is small.
And here, apparently, they were training at the maximum range.
The new F-15 series has a lot of missiles - 22 pieces. And you can shoot from great distances.

[Tusv]

Quote: voyaka uh

They usually shoot at 2/3 of the maximum range. For reliability. The missiles are not cheap, the ammunition is small.

Rockets are not cheap, Penguin's flight hour is outrageous. And how the Yankees were going to strangle us with such "records". For example, we destroyed the Georgian air defense with HARMs at 320. Mig 31 has been spitting V-V missiles at the same distance for a long time
As the Experienced in operation "Y" said: "This is not serious."

[Tusv]

That's how? Cons. Even funnier

[3danimal]

Rockets are not cheap, Penguin's flight hour is outrageous.

The missiles are not much more expensive than the R-77 on the foreign market, the flight hour of the F-35 is comparable to the F-18C / D (read)

https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/rates/fy2019/2019_b_c.pdf

The difference in military budgets is every 15 (?).

For example, we destroyed the Georgian air defense with KHARMs

Where did you get the HARMs, buy them from the USA?

The MiG 31 has been spitting V-V missiles at the same distance for a long time

The MiG-31 missiles are much smaller, they are less suited for attacking maneuverable targets (Max overload is only 24g, versus 36g for the AIM-120 / R-77-1). And Mig carries few of them ..

[mvg]

we destroyed the Georgian air defense with HARMs at 320

The women shouted hurray and threw their caps into the air. You gutari straight after Griboyedov.
Can pick up what materials are available on 08.08.08/31/31 to see how many of our planes were shot down .. what, all the same, they destroyed Georgia's air defense ... What, nafig MiG-9 with Harmammi ... Look at the performance characteristics of the X-XNUMXP. K; when it was us who shot down targets with XNUMXG overload with DB missiles. If there are any "sticks", it is here. We have no such targets.
PS: The combat use of the R-27 is clearly visible during the Ethiopian War ... and Yugi will not let you lie ...

[Tusv]

Quote: mvg

Can pick up what materials are available on 08.08.08 to see how many of our planes were shot down

10 dead pilots lifted into the air not adopted Ducklings with those HARMs on board with a range of 320. Do not look at the wound

[mvg]

Do not stretch the wound

But what nonsense .. AGM-88E HARM PRR worth $ 1 million, our "analog" X-31PD may not be much inferior in range, but with "brains" for sure. Yes, the SU-34 destroyed the radar station in Gori ... after which the Georgia air defense was turned off ...
What does the 10 dead pilots have to do with it? There were 2 Su-34 aircraft in total. What are 320 km, again caps in the air?

[Charik]

You Harmami-Georgian air defense, I wonder, apparently missed when it was.

[Tusv]

11.08.2008

[Charik]

The new 15x series is the one that is E and where it is said that from him, and not from the usual Needle.

[Pavel57]

There is a record. But we won't tell you about it.

[figwam]

Quote: Pavel57

There is a record. But we won't tell you about it.

Yes, it is clear how such records are made, a Luneberg lens was hung on the target, the flight is straightforward at low speed, all the conditions were created for the rocket to hit the target at its end, there is a record, but in reality a bunch of puddles, but the Pindos will clap

[akarfoxhound]

The attack to the maximum range is carried out on a radio contrast target at the maximum altitude in the stratosphere, in the PPS (front hemisphere), at an angle of 0/4, at the maximum supersonic speed against a supersonic target. Well, if they are far from aviation, then at least physics should be respected !?

[figwam]

Quote: akarfoxhound

Well, if they are far from aviation, then at least physics should be respected !?

Sit down, 2 again! and back to school!
The lower the target's speed, the less it maneuvers, the greater the distance the rocket will fly!

[Hexenmeister]

This is most likely for you to go to school, what is the name? The missile launch range, that is, the distance from the carrier to the target, not the range of the missile's departure from the carrier!

[akarfoxhound]

Well, whoever should give me grades in physics, it's definitely not for you! Not only in physics - two !, but, as they say in my profession - your discretion is unsatisfactory! Look at my nickname, remove the first 4 letters from my initials with the surname, further nothing suggests a deep thought ??? The maximum range of the station capture (even the same Zaslon) directly depends not only on the RCS, but also on the maximum difference between the speeds of the fighter and the target, i.e. the attack taking place in the PPP (speaking on the civil-collective farm "head-on"). The work of the TTRD AUR is also very limited in time and is, as a rule, about two and a half tens of seconds, then the flight by inertia. So the maximum launch range is provided in terms of ensuring the maximum speeds Vst + Vr + Vc (at the maximum ceiling of the aircraft) under the target angle at zero quarters R = 0/4. At R = 4/4, Vc approach decreases by Vts. (what is the perspective of the goal, I think you will find somewhere in nete). The target attack in the ZPS ("in pursuit" on the collective farm) is carried out at ranges that are several times smaller than in the PPS. For this reason, a deep modernization of the MiG-25P was carried out, which led to the creation of my favorite MiG-31. , if possible, the PN was directed only to the teaching staff. The MiG-25 now has this ability to "catch up" with its R-40. Of course zadolb wait until the PR lights up at the PPI, the ZDRka is less than usual at times, but it's real to work! Of course, I will not give real "figures" here, they differ from fast food, laid out for the Internet / layman.
Py.Sy. Aircraft maneuverability is not the premitivism you associate with low speed. In aerodynamics, there are concepts such as the stability of an aircraft in terms of speed and stability in terms of overload. The first is irrelevant, although I can explain it in a simple way. So the second concept is directly related to the maneuverability of the aircraft. And the types of overloads are as follows: normal, longitudinal and lateral. Aerobatics is usually calculated with normal Ny overload.
Ny = Y / G, where Y is the lift and G is the airplane's lift. In turn, already
2
Y = Cy × pV / 2 × S, where Cy is the lift coefficient, p is the density in-ha, V is the aircraft speed, S is the wing area.
Lateral overload Nz = Z / G (the effect of lateral aerodynamic forces on the weight of the aircraft) is usually equal to 0 and is most often not taken into account (restrictions on fighters are on average up to 2 units)
Longitudinal overload Nx = (PX) / G,
P is thrust, X is drag, G is the weight of the aircraft.
Depending on the maneuver and the stage of a particular maneuver, all three aerodynamic formulas for the effect of overload on an aircraft are calculated using the aerodynamic scheme.
In principle, I do not plan to paint the course further. Or do you have anything to introduce for a more detailed course on subsonic and sv / sonic aerodynamics?
And yet, I do not know who you are by profession, steelmaker, combine operator, cook or microbiologist, but I have enough "experience" not to go into the bottle on the basis of "heard somewhere", and therefore I approve my opinion on the topics of alloys, grain crops , baking cakes and breeding healthy mold. And how are you???

[hydrox]

About useful mold well bent, but ... is the mold useful, having received a liberal arts education and made its way into the structures of power and management?
And on the subject: Today, in the IC GOS in the weapons of the Russian Federation, are 3-range assemblies of rulers (matrices) used ??

[akarfoxhound]

This will not tell us "warriors" either. The element base in the Russian Federation is fully welded. In the union, it was mainly produced on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, a little in the Baltic states, with the restoration - sadness, itching 10 years ago, as they began, but with all the peculiarities of Russian reality that we observe outside the window. Another example is the town of Ussolye Sibirskoe near Irkutsk, a mono-town (but even with trams crawling through a large forest village) was created under the only plant in the union for the production of liquid crystals and everything connected with them. Now the population for the most part, according to the main types of labor activity, is numerous baths, prostitutes and taxi drivers (delivering the second to the first). Dimon Medvedev said - we will restore everything quickly! I think - comments are superfluous ...

[hydrox]

Those lands are generally Dimon's fiefdom: "Ilim Pulp" still belongs to him, or to whom has he already driven it?

[Sergey Sfiedu]

supersonic target

In this particular case, the target was subsonic.

[akarfoxhound]

Well, then they either lied that they did not work according to sv / sound, or they lied about reaching the maximum launch range. It is achieved by AUR only under the conditions I indicated. But I think that after all, the range is lazy, physics has not been canceled, the principle of operation of the turbojet engine is the same, the rocket in size has not changed significantly at times, which means that there is nowhere to physically take a significant increase in the range. All that of the missiles flies far and faster than the rest (medium range) - dimensions are not small

[figwam]

Quote: akarfoxhound

Well, then they either lied that they did not work according to the sv / sound

Before spreading footcloths from your notes, you read the article thoughtfully again, there is not a word about the supersonic target, you have already invented it yourself, the target has a maximum speed of 0.92 max, what supersonic sound !? Watch your unsatisfactory diligence. Surely the F-15 climbed to the "ceiling" of 20 km, due to the "lens" the RCS in the target's PPS was increased, respectively, detection, capture and launch at maximum range, the target did not maneuver, therefore the rocket did not lose energy when turning to the target.

[akarfoxhound]

Before getting in with your satisfied "opinion" for prudence, you must have an elementary understanding and at least consideration. What you took for a synopsis "footcloth" is not even 1% of what is in the head of the flight crew, you have written elementary things as a keepsake in which you did not get the hang of it! What the nafig dovorotov, what kind of fantasies? Why did you drag them in at all?
In Russian, he wrote above - this is not a record maximum launch range of even a specific AUR, the Americans LIED! Discretion is not
Although a sea cruiser on balloons, and hung with additional corner reflectors, launch it into the air - it WILL NOT GIVE THE MAXIMUM RANGE OF AURS WITHOUT ST / SOUND !!!. This seems to be far from your understanding of physics.
With your non-inclusion obstinacy of the "well-read for aviation manager" (collective farmer, steelmaker - underline the necessary), come the associations of a folk saying, where my opponent, not having mastered the essence, mistook the beads of elementary knowledge for footcloths. I seem to waste metal

[figwam]

Quote: akarfoxhound

Before you get in

I didn’t climb anywhere, it was you who decided to talk to me.

Quote: akarfoxhound

Americans LIED!

Why did they lie, they just created ideal conditions for a record launch range, which in real conditions will not be repeated.

Quote: akarfoxhound

THE MAXIMUM RANGE OF STARTING AUR WITHOUT SW / SOUND WILL NOT BE GIVEN !!!.

They did not write anything what was the difference in the height of the carrier and the target, and if the excess was from 12000 to 15000 m, and the target speed was 700-900 km / h, they got a record.

Quote: akarfoxhound

collective farmer, steelmaker - underline the necessary

Your knowledge of civilian professions does not surprise me, and by the way, you use the results of their labor every day.

[akarfoxhound]

Quote: figvam

Why did they lie, they just created ideal conditions for a record launch range, which in real conditions will not be repeated

Because these are not ideal conditions, among other things, the goal is not sv / sound

Quote: figvam

They did not write anything what was the difference in the height of the carrier and the target, and if the excess was from 12000 to 15000 m, and the target speed was 700-900 km / h, they got a record.

The labuda of a personal distant view is not negotiable. Either some maneuvers, then he has an excess (cool, gentleman, twisting with a snake, dragged the length of the trajectory into the calculated horizontal launch range, i.e. the mathematics also passed by the gentleman, to hell with Cartesian !!!)
For the same R-33, depending on the position of the target, the automatic directs the missile at the target in ballistics, and maybe at the PMA. Those. I, for example, captured the B-52 and when the target enters the ZDR, let me launch at the same 130 km, being, well, at the same 20 thousand meters, and the target at 10. That is, with Taking into account the length of the ballistic trajectory, did I hit the target from a distance of 160 km? Have you forgotten your masterpiece, the difference is 10 km, a total of 170 km? Bingo!!! Yes, here on the Shnobel Prize pulls!

Quote: figvam

Your knowledge of civilian professions does not surprise me, and by the way, you use the results of their labor every day.

What does the respected work of respected professions have to do with it? Do you like to distort the topic or are we playing again in the non-inclusion of meaning? I fully imagine their field of activity, but I have enough sense not to argue with them, with the same steelmaker about the nuances of steel making! And you?
In general, you are right about one thing, I already regretted that I decided to tell a person not related to the topic about the practical conditions and requirements for the parameters. You enter into a dialogue when you want to find out a professional opinion (I like, you know, competent assessments from specialists), or you yourself broaden the horizons of a person about him unknown-distant. But not in this case, wasted time, you are not an opponent here, not at all ...

[figwam]

Quote: akarfoxhound

gentleman twisting with a snake

Why me, let the Americans get out, they announced a record range, I just assume the options and conditions for such a launch.

Quote: akarfoxhound

For the same R-33, depending on the position of the target, the automatic directs the missile to the target in ballistics

Yes, but the ballistics of the R-33 and AIM-120 are different, the first has a diameter of 380 mm, a rudder span of 1180 mm, a weight of 490 kg, and the second has 178 mm, 445 mm, 160 kg.

Quote: akarfoxhound

Bingo!!! Yes, here pulls the Shnobel Prize!

Themselves invented stupidity over it and laugh.

[Herman 4223]

Most likely, they taught the new version of the f-15 to make launches at supersonic speed, the previous record was set at f22, and the f-15 has higher speed characteristics and the launch range may be greater.

[akarfoxhound]

Well, yes, most likely the pairing of the materiel with the AUR. One could have imagined (fantasized) if they had hung AIM-54 (Phoenix, Tomkat on the F-14) on the YF-12! It was an interceptor under development, which did not go into production; its reconnaissance / variant SR-71 turned out to be in the series. What would the Phoenix then show the launch range, instead of 180 km ?! Unfortunately, it is impossible to calculate, we do not have exact data, only to estimate interpolated. Thank God the project stalled

[Herman 4223]

In those cases, it was not enough to hang up, and the launch itself at high speed must be carried out.
I'm wondering if our Su-35 has the ability to launch supersonic missiles or not?

[akarfoxhound]

Sure! Not even a question. What then is the point in sv / sonic missile interceptors? Do you catch up with him on Mach 2 -3 and start slowing down to start the AUR? Of course not! All the aircraft known to us, even the 2,3 generation, the same Su-9,11,15, Yak-28P, MiG-21,23,25 ... F-100 Super Saber, F-102, 106 Delta Dart and Daguerre, F-4 Phantom, 5Tiger and others. Aviation missiles often have a higher intrinsic speed than missiles, i.e. from 1 km / sec and ... In the F-102 AUR interceptor, the Falcon is generally vigorous / loaf of bullets at the planes, and it is better to run away from the actually produced "cloud" on the light / sound. With those small launch ranges (in the 60s), the radius of destruction in the air in the air was 5 kilometers for sure.

[KKND]

Quote: akarfoxhound

What would the Phoenix then show the launch range, instead of 180 km ?!

And nothing that all these 100+ km for the Phoenixes, that for the P-33 \ 37 and any Amraams are just beautiful theoretical figures and in a real battle between modern fighters it is good if an enemy fighter can be shot down from 30 km.

[akarfoxhound]

Nothing, right, but with reservations. These are not beautiful "theoretical", but beautiful "practical" figures, achieved in beautiful, ideally exposed ideal polygon conditions.
In February 1996, it was lucky for me to meet with Taskaev (you know, I think this), they spoke for the MiG-31M and R-37, talked about the work on the group target (3) on Ashuluk with the defeat of all 3. I was impressed by the range of capture, launch and defeat, to be honest. I will not voice them on the Internet, they are slightly different from the "official" ones, but impressive.
The launch range of 130 km, even the range - this is for the strategist, for the fighter, of course, less (well, not 30, why so? ), and even less for KR. The MiG-31 is not intended to drive fighters, but CR and their carriers, and since these carriers have a lot of CR and with a small RCS, and the AUR on board is small compared to them, and besides, the mathematics is included in the amount of funds for impact on the unit with the specified probability, then it is necessary to beat the carriers to the discharge lines of the launching revolvers. And then the launch and capture ranges are higher, and you can cover more clients .... Well, this is all clear - "the basics of the whole air defense of the whole world"

[Hexenmeister]

The launch range is 130 km, even the range is according to the strategist

The chronicles give other figures:

A unique flight experiment was carried out in 31 on an experimental MiG-1993M aircraft with a modified Zaslon-M armament control system, during which an air target was detected at a distance of about 320 km and hit by a missile from a distance of almost 230 km.

It is clear that the launch was towards, and the parameters of movement of the carrier and the target are not indicated, but for a "record" interception it will be enough.

[akarfoxhound]

130 km is the P-33, and the P-37 in the group worked (according to Roman Petrovich Taskaev) with a slightly greater range and the capture and launch of missiles than you indicated (I will not sound here, I beg your pardon, but "down"). It was an interesting meeting, he came to us together with another legend, with Pugachev (he could not resist - he asked for an autograph, he "spoiled" the document for himself) )
In regimental practice, these parameters are very seriously dependent on the use of materiel (the regiment was armed with "simple" 31 and DZ (the same xpen, only a side view and with a barbell), there were no boards with the S-800A). We had one completely tortured board, which worked at ranges, like on the MiGar 23 (immediately the school flights came to mind).
And at the same time, on another, also very not new, apparatus with a different board number, 10 years ago, I flew in an exercise on air combat on SV and BV. I worked as usual with the aiming of the PN on the target, the fuel was still "fly and fly", the station was not turned off. And here, not on the machine, but manually (the capture range is less) on the OI of the radar, we catch a fellow returning from the ceiling, but having already extinguished the speed before subsonic sound and leaving for a pre-landing maneuver. Goes under 3/4, i.e. almost sideways, the speed difference is at the limit (according to the station's operating conditions), and we captured it "hand-to-hand" at a distance of 1.5 times higher than our maximum airplane flight time! I already rubbed my eyes - wasn’t I made a mistake (well, it happens!) And nufuga, she! They immediately clicked for OK funds (what if they won’t believe it and prove that it’s not a Camel), asked the KP to work on the second goal. But they didn’t give it, my colleague had a "residue" under the bleed, only for landing and re-entry. We came home, taxied, to meet the engineer, show the pictures, smile at all 32. Before Serdyukov's reduction of "all after 40", the RRNO engineer was a bright mind, he debugged the materiel and debugged it to normal. Skillful fingers. Now these hands with a retired rifle are chasing bears over volcanoes. Today the regiment and materiel are different, with an upgrade. The old simple and Bashek are probably no longer anywhere in the country.

[Hexenmeister]

I cited the official developer's message about the events of 93, given that there was an upgrade, in 96 most likely it became even better. Your case confirms the principle that you need to follow the technique and be able to work on it, otherwise you can "miss" the target sticking out on two indicators within a minute

[rocket757]

They are preparing, modernizing their equipment ... nothing else could be expected.

[Yuri V.A]

Three Indians behind the wall howled pitifully, and again knocked down the tomahawks during the exercise.

[Thrifty]

Karlw666-crawl to the "censor", there is such a place!

[xorek]

Air Force fighter F-15C Eagle carried out a record-breaking missile launch.

So what ? If only a passenger liner was knocked down .. Found something to show off a mattress

[Emil Azeri]

To imagine its size.

The main thing is AFAR to detect this small target at such distances, and the seeker of the missile to firmly catch on to the target without missing it. As for me it is commendable.
And so the capabilities of the rocket and the target are far from comparable, unless of course it is AIM120D, as the author suggests.
The target has a speed of 1100 km / h,
the rocket has 4900 km / h.
The target has a 9G maneuver,
missiles up to 40G.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

missiles up to 40G.

... this is a longitudinal overload at the start ... transverse no more than 12g

[Synoid]

There are too many understatements in the record article.
Most likely, the target was illuminated from the side, and the F-15 acted as a launch platform.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

The target turned around and flew in the opposite direction, can the rocket be able to catch up, launched from a distance of 100 miles?

[Herman 4223]

Not. Moreover, a lot depends on what speed the target is flying towards if 500 km / h then this is one range if 1000 then the launch range will be greater and so on.

[Mouse]

They framed it ... the record is on the agenda ...

[tralflot1832]

And on the target there was no "lighthouse" rocket fly here I'm here! Advertising is the engine of trade !!!

[Jacket in stock]

Record for AIM-120 missiles.
Yes, straightforward and no maneuvers.
Possibly even with a beacon and / or lens.
This is not the point, but to confirm the technological feasibility of the new engine.
It will also come to a new head, there can be no doubt about it. Moreover, there are already ready-made multichannel ones, which, unfortunately, are not yet available to us.
So it’s nothing funny, the enemy is strong and we don’t throw our caps over him, we must not relax and work-work-work ...

[Kaman]

Jacket, may I have a question? If you start to train hard with boxing 2-3 times a day, after a while you will be able to defeat Klitschko or Valuev? Sorry to ask ...

[Synoid]

Are you a haberdashery or a furrier?
What is your crazy love for hats and jackets?

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Only fuckers believe the words of amers!

[Herman 4223]

This means that the new version of the F-15 was taught to make launches at supersonic speed. A dangerous enemy.