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Russian fighter T-50 protect from "freezing"

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Russian fighter T-50 protect from "freezing"

The Ministry of Industry and Trade needed an industrial technology for creating an electronic filling for the fifth-generation Russian fighter PAK FA (T-50). The department is ready to pay almost 68 million rubles for the development of integrated modular avionics (IMA) combat complexes. It is required to develop information and computing modules that are responsible for performing most of the processes: navigation, on-screen display, navigation, and many others - with the exception of primitive air conditioning and landing gear production.

In fact, the PAK FA is already ready, the first batch of aircraft should, according to the plans of the Ministry of Defense, get off the assembly line in 2015. Three prototypes of the machine are already undergoing flight test programs. Therefore, the Ministry of Industry and Trade requires industrial technology for manufacturing thin aviation electronics.

Most of the information about the characteristics of the T-50 is kept secret, it is only known that the aircraft meets the requirements for fifth-generation fighters: it develops a supersonic speed without switching on afterburner, has low radar visibility, maneuvers at significant overloads.

According to the tender documentation, the main task of the project is to move from a classic multi-machine computing system to an integrated one in accordance with the concept of an IMA.

- This is a rejection of the system in which each individual task is solved by a separate machine. A system is being implemented where many tasks can be performed on a single processor, ”explained Konstantin Egorov, a specialist in modular avionics, head of the laboratory at the Aviation Systems Research Institute to Izvestia.

Egorov says that this technology is being actively introduced into civil aviation and, obviously, should be present in military aircraft building. IMA is less expensive than the classical system, and at the same time can provide greater productivity. Each process gets its own priority level, the most critical ones are executed first, so the system is protected from “freezing”.

If the transition to the IMA does not happen in T-50, it will affect the entire industry, because the creation of this fighter is one of the main incentives for the development of the military-industrial complex of Russia, the tender documentation says. The global aviation industry has already switched to a new integrated avionics system more than ten years ago.

- Preservation of the classical scheme will increase the backlog from world practice and finally make the domestic aviation industry uncompetitive, the authors of the technical task predict.

“This is indeed a serious step forward for domestic avionics,” agrees Ilya Klabukov, an expert in defense research and a senior researcher at MIPT. - From the point of view of improving military equipment and increasing the level of the country's defense, the declared program does not cause objections.

At the same time, experts advise to pay attention to the technical requirements for the systems to be developed for the fighter. In their opinion, equipment with the stated characteristics can hardly provide Russia with technological superiority.

“The approach to its development is similar to the Lego designer and the obsessive idea of ​​catching up with Lockheed Martin (the company specializing in the field of aircraft engineering, Izvestia), and not the technology of combat superiority, Klabukov complains. - The standards of the American company ARINC and the VITA Association are taken as the basis for creating the system, as if avionics are being designed not for the PAK FA, but for the export Sukhoi Superjet.

Klabukov assumes that the on-board digital computer will
assembled from modified processor modules developed by CJSC “MCST”. In his opinion, domestic microcircuits are quite suitable for military equipment: for a fighter, military and space products are required, where reliability is important. Even if you wanted to use foreign chips, nothing would have come of this idea, for this, Russia would have to either join NATO or take possession of technology fraudulently. It is unlikely that any of the leading manufacturers of this equipment will sell chips to Russia for the construction of a fighter.
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http://izvestia.ru/news/533635
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  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 August 2012 10: 30
    +4
    Very interesting ! Great article +
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 28 August 2012 12: 25
      +6
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Very interesting ! Great article +

      Of course, that they decided to develop domestic electronics is +.
      When they created the PAK FA, they probably thought, if the plane flies then we will start doing avionics for it, suddenly the plane flies, now we need to build a couple of new factories and research institutes, create avionics to fit the plane.
      Perhaps with such turns, I agree with you, the aircraft carrier will be built by 2060 ..
    2. beech
      beech 28 August 2012 16: 57
      0
      We are waiting for serial samples in the air force !!!
  2. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 28 August 2012 11: 09
    +2
    ((((((explained to Izvestia) Konstantin Egorov, specialist in modular avionics, head of the laboratory at the Research Institute of Aviation Systems))))
    -This and others who allow them to chat? = nowadays - at least a very long conversation! And it’s good that only in the 1st department, and not in the KGB.
    1. sv-sakh
      sv-sakh 29 August 2012 02: 55
      +1
      That's right, all scientists need to burn their eyes, break their fingers and cut their tongues, so God forbid they didn’t tell the enemy that twice two is four fool
      This is an elementary conclusion and just an explanation of the global trend and book foundations, what other KGB?
      You are sick? fool laughing
  3. Dmitry Desnyansky
    Dmitry Desnyansky 28 August 2012 11: 10
    -3
    Klabukov is a great expert and analyte
  4. anchonsha
    anchonsha 28 August 2012 11: 16
    +4
    Here they are new heights, special difficulties in the aircraft industry of the future. It’s bad that we are left alone in this industry. The Anglo-Saxons are much easier, and they did not have a backlog, as we have in connection with the liberal predatory 90s, even now continuing in some way.
  5. SSR
    SSR 28 August 2012 11: 17
    +4
    In his opinion, domestic microcircuits are quite suitable for military equipment: a fighter requires military and space-class products, where reliability is important. Even if you wanted to use foreign chips, nothing would come of this idea; for this, Russia would have to either join NATO or take possession of technology fraudulently. It is unlikely that any of the leading manufacturers of this equipment will sell to Russia chips for the construction of a fighter.

    Heh .. if they develop and refine the military and space chips, then the simplification needs to be moved by the civilian segment))
    then there will be greater returns and resources for the development of new research.
    1. PLO
      PLO 28 August 2012 14: 26
      0
      this is not cost-effective and the problem
      all cheap consumer electronics in China and Taiwan have been doing for a long time
  6. atos_kin
    atos_kin 28 August 2012 11: 23
    +6
    It is sad that the plane is already undergoing a complex of tests, and officials are trying to solve conceptual issues. The lack of advanced research affects. Such "savings" will be very expensive.
    1. Andrey_K
      Andrey_K 28 August 2012 12: 54
      0
      It looks like they are all going to write programs again.
      And just now.
      This is 5 years of work ...
  7. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 28 August 2012 11: 40
    +1
    And you could not just write that you decided to invest in the development of the element base ...
  8. atesterev
    atesterev 28 August 2012 12: 14
    0
    In general, they will buy VxWorks RTOS from Wind River and will have programs for the T-50 avionics in it ...
  9. strannik595
    strannik595 28 August 2012 13: 02
    0
    and not on technology of military superiority, - Klabukov complains ...................... Kablukov, you are a godsend for a spy, rejoice that you live in our time
  10. ward
    ward 28 August 2012 13: 03
    +1
    Well, what are we soldering ... writing programs ... an article plus ...
  11. lelikas
    lelikas 28 August 2012 13: 05
    +1
    what the onboard digital computer will
    assembled from modified processor modules developed by MCST. In his opinion, domestic microcircuits are quite suitable for military equipment: a fighter requires military and space-class products, where reliability is important.
    - I immediately remembered a joke about the world's largest Soviet microcircuit with 16 legs and two carrying handles ...
    1. viruskvartirus
      viruskvartirus 28 August 2012 14: 00
      +3
      The Ministry of Education and Science and RUSNANO agreed a new term for the construction of a factory for the production of microchips using 65-45 nm technology in Russia. The construction of the plant is expected at the Alabushevo site of the Zelenograd special economic zone.
      Now we can say with confidence that the techno process of 180-90 nanometers is fully mastered. Russian microchips with topology 180-nm are supplied to many manufactures in Russia and other countries. I would especially like to notice a major deal with China. That year they bought 10 million microchips (microcircuits) for access cards from the Mikron factory from us. Domestic RFID chips can argue with the Chinese in terms of price-quality ratio, the manufacturer is sure. The Micron plant, a member of the Sitronics concern, supplies China with RFID chips manufactured using 180-nm technology on 200-mm plates. http://4pda.ru/2011/12/31/51371/ Top-10 of new Russian technologies according to 4PDA
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 28 August 2012 14: 25
        +1
        They can’t argue, but they are much better.
        Also, a lot of deliveries go to Samsung and Panasonic.
        Negotiations are being held with AMD on the purchase of new lithographic equipment and the construction of the AMD plant itself.
        1. viruskvartirus
          viruskvartirus 28 August 2012 15: 41
          0
          Then all this is strange request eternal cry about the backwardness of the element base in the media and literally a scanty amount of information on real work. For example, I learned about AMD from you, I haven’t seen it anywhere ... and besides the element base, I would also have developed the direction of industrial design ... In any case, I’m sincerely glad that in Ukraine the techno process 180-90 nanometers is not visible in any perspective .. ..
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 28 August 2012 16: 04
            +1
            industrial design
            Our design has been doing for a long time. As my electronic engineers tell me. If you want it well, expensively and quickly, this is for you in St. Petersburg; you want it cheaply mediocre and for a long time it is in Malaysia.
            But with the factory from AMD there is a problem with water, more precisely, with the place where there is the right water.
            1. viruskvartirus
              viruskvartirus 28 August 2012 16: 46
              +1
              In 2009, Angstrom’s crystal production produced 64,5 million crystals. Commodity production of assembly and hardware products amounted to 591,93 million rubles in monetary terms (exceeds 2008 of the year by 48%).

              In the 2010 year, Angstrom produced 107 million integrated circuits and assembled products, increasing the 1,8 indicator of the year (2009 million units) by 60,8 times. In addition, almost 2 times - up to 566,4 million rubles. - revenue from the development of custom electronic products was increased (290,7 million rubles in the 2009 year). Also in 2010, the total number of crystal products (crystals) sold for export increased up to 2 million units in 102,7 times. (51,7 million units in 2009 year).

              The company's revenue for the 2009 year amounted to 1339 million rubles. (25% more than in 2008 year - 1064 mln rubles), the company reduced its net loss by 5 times: from 125 mln rubles. up to 24,5 million rubles The proceeds from exported sales increased by 39% compared to the 2008 year (total amount of 526,153 million rubles); revenue from sales on the domestic market increased by 32% (total amount 375,76 million rubles)

              In 2010, the company's revenue continued to grow, which at the end of the year amounted to 1531,994 million rubles. (1339,256 million rubles in the 2009 year). According to the results of 2010, Angstrem OJSC showed net profit in the amount of 6,863 million rubles. (According to the results of 2008 and 2009 of the year, Angstrem OJSC showed a loss of 125,073 million rubles and 24,537 million rubles, respectively).

              According to 2011 results, the company's revenue amounted to 1 987 million rubles (from sales of products - 808 million rubles and from development work - 1 093 million rubles). The net profit of the enterprise amounted to 19,866 million rubles. The total cash flow for the 2012 year exceeded 3 billion rubles, which is the largest indicator for the company in recent years. good
            2. viruskvartirus
              viruskvartirus 28 August 2012 17: 43
              0
              "there is a problem with water, more precisely with a place where there is right water. "I do not quite understand, I represent the process of manufacturing the processor in general terms ...
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 28 August 2012 14: 19
      +1
      I recommend reading about the Raptor's digital computer, too, you will be surprised.
      1. viruskvartirus
        viruskvartirus 28 August 2012 16: 05
        +1
        F-22A Raptor digital computer - i960MX @ 90 MHz processors: 0,7 - 2,0 billion op / s (32-bit)
        The design of i960 was started due to the failure of the iAPX 432 project in the early 1980's. The iAPX 432 feature was hardware support for languages ​​that support markup, memory protection, and garbage collection - such as Ada and Lisp. But, due to a number of problems (the complexity of teaching programming, hybrid implementation components, etc.), iAPX 432 had a relatively low performance.

        In 1982, Intel and Siemens created a joint company BiiN (Billions Invested In Nothing), one of the tasks of which was to develop a fault-tolerant object-oriented system with hardware support for the Ada language. Many members of the i432 team have joined this project. Glenford Myers, who previously worked at IBM, was invited as a project manager.
        The first working chips of the new processor appeared at the end of the 1985 year.
        Due to internal competition with 80386 and i860 (another Intel RISC processor), i960 did not become a general-purpose processor, but found application in the field of high-performance 32-bit embedded systems.
        Full i960MX was only available for military markets. More or less identical to it i960MC was used in high-performance embedded systems. The i960MC included all the features of the original BiiN system, but since many of them were not described in the documentation, users wondered why the size of the i960MC is so large, and many of its legs are labeled as “no connection”.
      2. viruskvartirus
        viruskvartirus 29 August 2012 11: 52
        0
        http://www.waronline.org/forum/viewtopic.php?printertopic=1&t=21122&postdays=0&p
        ostorder = asc && start = 100 read and analyzed this frivolous pussy ... a lot of interesting things).
        And in general such conclusions were made:
        1. in the military area of ​​the element base, it’s all the more or less not bad ... what is being produced is clearly not enough;
        2. Specialists "squeeze" all the best that can be obtained at 180-90 nm;
        3. you need to master a more "small" technical process ... but this is the way to nowhere ... after all, ultramodern will not be sold;
        4. you need to "cut corners", I hope there are still developments of the golden 80s.
  12. Senzey
    Senzey 28 August 2012 13: 17
    0
    It’s time for us to catch up and overtake Western technologies, we can do it, otherwise we’ll completely lag behind. Stimulation and financing, and we have plenty of patriots and smart heads.

  13. Veter
    Veter 28 August 2012 13: 20
    0
    And what was the fate of the aircraft with the reverse sweep of the wing? Eeee, SU-47 seems?
    1. Rossmk
      Rossmk 28 August 2012 13: 32
      -1
      Golden eagle? This aircraft did not enter the army because repairing it would be too expensive. It seems that in which case I would have had a whole wing, and this is a very costly procedure. Therefore, Berkut was made a "flying laboratory"

      There are more details on Wiki
    2. FID
      FID 28 August 2012 13: 35
      +3
      No way! Creating an element base is good, but the logic of the onboard complex operation ... The French A-330 fell into the Atlantic - did the French have a bad element base? The Americans have problems with the Raptor - the elemental base of the military .... so what? Yes, far to go - the notorious super - failure of hard currency one by one. I think the corresponding element base on it.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 28 August 2012 14: 23
        0
        Creating an element base is good
        It is especially about new technological processes. Emnip (but I can confuse) in Ryazan there will be a new production.
        but the logic of the onboard complex ...
        It must be practiced both on the ground and in the air. I can also recall the Yak-130. But here the mudflow as they say needs to be completed.
        1. FID
          FID 28 August 2012 14: 29
          +1
          What about the Yak-130? KSU leaves questions? Or BINS?
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 28 August 2012 14: 48
            0
            What about the Yak-130?
            EDSU but it was finished. I'm talking about the fact that any technique must be brought up. Both in software and in hardware.
      2. PLO
        PLO 28 August 2012 14: 36
        0
        Well, after all, it’s easier to duplicate one system than several different ones, isn’t it?

        Yes, far to go - the notorious super - failure of hard currency one by one.


        But what is already official information about the cause of the crash, or is it so privately?
        1. FID
          FID 28 August 2012 14: 50
          +2
          There is no one system on an airplane. As far as I understand, the conversation is about creating an integrated control system for the aircraft, engine, and weapons system. Previously, there was a block structure - each system consisted of separate blocks placed on frames (the blocks were large or small - it all depended on the element base). The current fashion is modular. One container - there are modules in it: computing, control, executive, etc. etc. From the point of view of the convenience of repair and installation, it’s very good to reduce the feeder (harnesses on the plane), adjust and adjust in one place, but the survivability of a combat aircraft - because everything is in one place, even many times reserved. It can be seen that it is necessary to put two containers. But this is a developers question. The main thing is that at least something is being done. And it pleases! By the way, the control system of the Yak-130 is made according to a similar principle. I’m doing it myself.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 28 August 2012 15: 09
            0
            but the survivability of a combat aircraft
            By the way, here's a question. Is it realistic to create as a backup channel on wireless technologies.

            And the survivability problem is solved in duplication and redundancy. The question is only in the form factor.
            1. FID
              FID 28 August 2012 15: 32
              +4
              There are too many nodes, elements, devices that may fail. It is necessary to optimize where the wireless is, where is the feeder. On airplanes (ours are at least 4 degrees of redundancy), the extreme degree is mechanical wiring. The simplest example from life. The French A-380 crashed into the Atlantic. The official version is the failure of the Pitot tube (a commonplace speedometer, we call it LDPE - air pressure receiver). The French have an electrical control system. There are side sticks on the sides to the left and right of the flyers. The on-board computer went crazy, flyers do not know how to fly an airplane in critical situations. The result is known. Tu-154 which landed in the taiga. The food was completely cut off. ABSU-154 does not work. Flyers a glass of water on a torpedo and on a mechanical wiring .. The result is known! Here's what I can say about reservations. Stupid EVERYONE to trust electricity. It may end.
              1. Armata
                Armata 28 August 2012 15: 47
                0
                Quote: SSI
                The result is known. Tu-154 which landed in the taiga. The food was completely cut off. ABSU-154 does not work. Flyers a glass of water on a torpedo and on a mechanical wiring ..

                By the way, Sergey a question. I have to talk with a colleague from a friend department. He once taught the mechanics of naval aviation. So he said that before the pilots were trained that in the event of a hydraulic failure, push it manually. It's true?
                1. FID
                  FID 28 August 2012 15: 58
                  +2
                  Yes. Recent case. At an English airport, Gatwick took off a plane of our production (one foreign a / c). After takeoff, at an altitude of 150m, the pilots turned on the autopilot. The plane fell into a roll of 40 degrees and did not leave it. After turning off the autopilot, the roll remained. Flyers overpowered for 2 hours while irrigating England with fuel. They sat down. Understood. They left the house with a defect, although they had to fix it before leaving. I, in some way. I’m deciphering objective control (it’s necessary for work), this flight is in my collection.
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 28 August 2012 20: 10
                    0
                    So he is right. Thanks, info for thought. Can the Yankees do that?
                2. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 28 August 2012 17: 10
                  0
                  Flyers overpowered 2 hours
                  And what kind of effort is going on?
                  1. FID
                    FID 28 August 2012 18: 47
                    +2
                    It was going. 11kg on the helm and about 5-6 on the pedals. Sorry to answer late. He was driving home.
        2. FID
          FID 28 August 2012 15: 10
          +2
          This is not about a plane crash in Indonesia. This is about the operation of supers in the AFL. Moreover, not on one side. An alarm is triggered (in flight, of course) either about depressurization of hatches, or about a decrease in pressure in the cabin. You can search, there were messages. I know from AFL workers. The aircraft has to drop to an altitude of 3000-4000 m and continue to fly (this is an extra fuel consumption - fly low). The Sukhovites commented on this with the accuracy of laying either bundles or pipelines, but there is a defect, and most likely in the hard currency itself.
          1. viruskvartirus
            viruskvartirus 29 August 2012 11: 21
            0
            Pressure reduction, are you talking about the fact that the luggage compartment is not closed?
  14. Rossmk
    Rossmk 28 August 2012 13: 30
    +2
    It’s good that they decided to develop their own native avionka, and not to look for an approach to the west and to beg from them.
  15. Pravdoruba
    Pravdoruba 28 August 2012 14: 09
    +2
    And I thought that everything was ready - it remains to test, modify the weapons and put a new engine. It turns out only the glider is ready? We accept it without filling?
    1. FID
      FID 28 August 2012 14: 36
      +1
      Oh, this is not an easy job ... The stage of flight tests of the Chief Designer is when all of ..... and slivers. For the stage, together with the Customer, prototypes should be made at the serial manufacturer (avionics in this case). Customer stage - serial production. So it was in the USSR. To speed up the process - serial production at the joint stage, but then a bunch of improvements in operation.
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 28 August 2012 14: 50
      0
      As you say, hundreds of allies are involved in creating one aircraft.
      Here is an example from life. Some bad person wrote the TK incorrectly, another correctly understood it and created a certain device. And this device did not want to work because the protocols were different. And like dofig everywhere! Although everything is done by standards.
      1. FID
        FID 28 August 2012 15: 12
        +1
        Since 1982, I have been boiling in this porridge. I guess. And I know firsthand about allies.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 28 August 2012 16: 07
          0
          Yes, I didn’t write it to you)))
          1. FID
            FID 28 August 2012 16: 23
            +1
            I understood and accepted!
  16. virm
    virm 28 August 2012 14: 13
    0
    Russian fighter T-50 protect from "freezing"

    A hardware watchdog should help. )
  17. leon-iv
    leon-iv 28 August 2012 14: 31
    0
    It is unlikely that any of the leading manufacturers of this equipment will sell to Russia chips for the construction of a fighter.
    They will sell the issue of price and scheme of receipt.
    For example, some of our defense enterprises, according to documents from the bourgeoisie, produce seeder seeders and not defense industry products. And these enterprises buy machines without any problems. And all turn a blind eye to it.
  18. Kolyma
    Kolyma 28 August 2012 14: 47
    0
    When it comes to software development, the most important thing is not to relax and stay away from the "best" domestic "software developer" OTR2000 ", otherwise the finish will be very sad. I do not know which of the domestic developers can be trusted, but I know that some of them definitely cannot.
  19. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 28 August 2012 15: 12
    +1
    With the "brains" for the flyer, we, of course, lag behind. It would be nice to recruit our compatriot programmers working for Microsoft and not only. Brain pumping and technical espionage will be relevant for a long time, especially in this industry and in our case. And there is nothing wrong with that.
  20. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 28 August 2012 18: 07
    0
    Yes, today it is necessary to invest in domestic electronics.
    We have sunk too much in this area, it should be pushed.
  21. barbosa
    barbosa 28 August 2012 18: 21
    0
    - The approach to its development is similar at the same time to the Lego designer and to the obsession to catch up with Lockheed Martin (a company specializing in the field of aircraft manufacturing. - Izvestia), and not to the technology of military superiority, Klabukov complains.


    what superiority ?! fool
    would catch up even laughing
    1. viruskvartirus
      viruskvartirus 29 August 2012 12: 02
      0
      According to information from the company’s website, MCST CJSC is the assignee of Moscow Center for SPARC Technologies LLP (MCST), which arose in March 1992 on the basis of the team involved in the development of Elbrus-3 at the Institute of Precision Mechanics and Computer Engineering, Russian Academy of Sciences . S.A. Lebedev. According to Boris Artashesovich Babayan, the founder and former supervisor of the Moscow Center for SPARC Technologies, financial support for the company was initially provided by Dave Dietzel (one of the founders of Transmeta).

      Later, with the participation of Boris Babayan, several more companies were created: Elbrus 2000, Elbrus International, which together formed the Elbrus ICST company. [2] Elbrus 2000 was created, according to Boris Babayan, simply as a distributor who sells appliances and makes money. Elbrus International focused on patents, particularly on the E2K processor. The Elbrus ICST company worked both on orders of foreign companies (Sun, Transmeta) and performed work on orders of the Russian Government.
      In 2004 in the press, there were reports from Intel that the company invited several development teams from Elbrus MSCT, as well as UniPro to work at Intel, including Boris Babayan. At the same time, despite Intel’s statements about concluding a purchase agreement for MCST and UniPro, there were no reports on the execution of this agreement, and both companies announced their continued work as independent organizations.

      Dear reality, your performance will be slightly different ...
  22. suharev-52
    suharev-52 28 August 2012 19: 48
    +2
    Aya thinks that we must not catch up, but come up with fundamentally new solutions. Thank God there are still bright heads in Russia. A message flickered that ours did not hold out at some kind of competition for the development of artificial intelligence of only a half percent to pass the test for artificial intelligence. So to instruct the guys, and give money, I think that they can easily overpower. And many research institutes in the 90s were specially bought up by the West, so that we would not get ahead and always keep us in a black body. Sincerely.
  23. gor
    gor 28 August 2012 23: 40
    +1
    In fact, the PAK FA is already ready, the first batch of aircraft must, according to the plans of the Ministry of Defense, get off the assembly line in 2015. Three prototype machines are already undergoing flight test programs. Therefore, the Ministry of Industry and Trade is required precisely industrial manufacturing technology of thin aviation electronics.
    this is called the plane is ready)))))))))))))))))))
    1. viruskvartirus
      viruskvartirus 29 August 2012 12: 34
      -1
      respected emotions prevent you from thinking ... do you even know that Indian specialists are involved in the development of avionics and this is an episode .. and what is industrial technology in the know? And look at the amount allocated 2 million bucks ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 August 2012 15: 40
        +1
        Indian specialists rivet their plane, the Russian will only glider and engines. Avionics developed by the Indians will suit them only
        1. viruskvartirus
          viruskvartirus 29 August 2012 17: 08
          0
          I doubt from what they write it is clear that the Idian specialists participated in all areas of work, it was their condition (their share is 5 billion), so there are doubts about the "separateness" of avionics ...
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 August 2012 22: 57
            0
            Yes there is no doubt. In essence, a separate fighter is being assembled for them - the FGFA, which, in a certain modification, will also be exported.
  24. barbosa
    barbosa 28 August 2012 23: 49
    -1
    And many research institutes in the 90s were specially bought up by the West


    it was necessary when to make the ruble a world currency, like a dollar, and also everyone would buy it all))) and print pieces of paper as needed))))
  25. Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 29 August 2012 00: 56
    +1
    Quote: gor
    this is called the plane is ready))))))))))))))))))

    No, "the plane is ready" is when it crashes. For example - due to a chronic malfunction of the pilot's life support system. Like the F-22, for example. And when the Pentagon suspends further purchases, it remains with the ancient F-15 fleet. This is really "ready" wink
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 August 2012 15: 42
      +1
      Dear, their plane has been mass-produced and has been flying for several years. And all new cars have "growing pains". Quite a common thing. And not only new ones. Why do you think every time a fighter crashes, all flights of this model are suspended?
      1. viruskvartirus
        viruskvartirus 29 August 2012 17: 14
        0
        Read this here http://www.waronline.org/forum/viewtopic.php?printertopic=1&t=21122&postdays=0&p
        ostorder = asc && start = 100 if the brain cannot stand it))) I wonder what your opinion is about why the old i22MX processors are used on F-960?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 August 2012 23: 15
          +1
          That is, you think that it is easy to change the proces, with the speed that they are developed? Chick - and changed?
          1. viruskvartirus
            viruskvartirus 30 August 2012 09: 44
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            No ... he’s just a little old, to say the least .... and I was hoping for a more extensive answer))
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 31 August 2012 01: 55
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              They use several boards on the 32 processor on the board, and it fully provides a solution to the problems facing the aircraft 8))
  26. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 29 August 2012 15: 09
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    The news is strange:
    1. the amount of kopeck 2 lama tanks compared to 11 billion per pack fa;
    2. Bogdan announced the super-maneuverability tests and the Indians rub their hands and talk about the FGFA purchases and "India once again declares its firm refusal to the US proposal to become a member of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program", "" Three Russian T-50 prototypes completed about 180 flights. The HAL Ozar plant in Nasik will receive three prototypes in 2014, 2017 and 2019 ... and test flights will be carried out by pilots of the Indian Air Force "" so the plane HAS BEEN CONSISTENT, and without avionics it is not possible ...
    So what this topic is and how it is related to the PAK FA is not clear, even more so when it comes to "industrial technology".