The timing of the start of flight tests of the strike drone "Sirius"

Percussion prototype drone "Sirius", developed by the company "Kronstadt" in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense, will appear in 2022. This is reported RIA News with reference to a source in the DIC.

The first prototype of the Sirius strike, as well as its flight tests, will begin next year, 2022, the source said. So far, nothing is known about further plans, the company does not comment on this information in any way.

It is known that the new drone will receive a more powerful complex of weapons compared to the strike UAV "Inokhodets" (Orion), also developed by the "Kronstadt" company. On the external sling, the Sirius will be able to carry 300 kg of payload, the armament will include guided air-to-surface missiles, unguided and corrected bombs.

The company has already shown the new drone to the military, although it was a full-size model. The show took place within the framework of the "Army -2020" exhibition. At the same time, preliminary characteristics of the drone were presented, which may change in the process of its creation. Let's hope not for the worse.

Sirius is said to be a medium-altitude, long-range drones. Structurally, it is an aircraft of normal aerodynamic design with a thin fuselage, large straight wing and V-shaped tail. The power plant includes two turboprop engines.

Wingspan - 23 m, length - up to 9 m. Maximum takeoff weight - 2 - 2,5 tons (preliminary), of which 1 ton is fuel. Payload - 450 kg (external sling - 300 kg). Flight altitude - 7 thousand meters, cruising speed - 180 km / h.

In the future, "Sirius" will have to supplement the line of medium-altitude attack drones in the Russian army, which so far includes "Outpost", "Pacer" and "Altius".

Comments

[iouris]

Application is the most correct test.

[hirurg]

No need to rush. (C)
And so one more tool in the piggy bank. And this is good.
It's like a surgeon's tool.
Do you know how many only one clamps we have ... ooh ...

[businessv]

Quote: hirurg

Do you know how many only one clamps we have ... ooh ...

Aha As well as in our country, good beginnings! There are so many clamps that you will get bored with counting! Until a good deed is done, the bureaucrats will destroy so much state money, and the nerves of responsible people will be destroyed, which is amazing! You squeezed a good post, topical!

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: hirurg

No need to rush. (C)

So you can wait for the tumor to become inoperable.

[private person]

Against the background of the fact that the Turks demonstrated everything in Karabakh, it is time to apply and not test everything correctly. Just don't immediately shout what we have for a long time.

[lucul]

Against the background of the fact that the Turks demonstrated everything in Karabakh, it is time to apply and not test everything correctly. Just don't immediately shout what we have for a long time.

If you learned about the UAV only from the conflict in Karabakh, this does not mean that the Defense Ministry learned about it at the same time.
It is not necessary to project your denseness onto our MO.

[private person]

No need to project your denseness onto our MO

You will see a "smart guy" in the mirror. And the Turks really demonstrated the capabilities of the UAV in combat conditions. We only have reports from the Zvezda TV channel.

[venik]

Quote: private person

Against the background of the fact that the Turks demonstrated everything in Karabakh, it is time to already apply not to test. But you don't have to immediately shout what we have for a long time.

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Dear "private person", do not worry! You are simply behind the times .... It has long been shown footage of the use of the shock version of the "Orion" in Syria:


PS Orion starts there after 2,5 minutes
Links:
1) https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6572716.html
2) https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/22/02/2021/6032cf909a794744a8b52d5f3)
3) https://lenta.ru/news/2021/02/21/orion/

[Narak-zempo]

According to "radical Islamists" - this is not a test yet, so a warm-up.
The real test is when "Svidomo".

[xorek]

Quote: iouris

Application is the most correct test.

Yes, they will probably experience it in hostilities, this is in Russia already as a mandatory check .. There is where to check.

[lucul]

Yes, they will probably experience it in hostilities, this is already a mandatory check in Russia.

Visually, Sirius has nothing to complain about, well designed. The only thing that catches the eye is the small diameter of the two-bladed propellers, but this is most likely done for the sake of stealth.

[Insurgent]

Quote: lucul

Visually, Sirius has nothing to complain about, well designed.

It is gratifying that already "Orion"," overlapped "hyped Turkish"Bayraktar tb2"by payload, that is, impact capabilities, and"Sirius"is undoubtedly a step further.

[lucul]

and "Sirius" is undoubtedly a step further.

With a dry weight of 1kg, it has a payload of 000kg, which is pretty good.

[venik]

Quote: lucul

With a dry weight of 1kg, it has a payload of 000kg, which is pretty good.

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The funny thing is that it is completely unclear what kind of "Sirius" we are talking about. Complete confusion:

1) The forum "Army-2020" under the name "Sirius" featured two-motor apparatus Secondary class (which is similar in the article and described):

TTH:
Dimensions, m:
- wingspan - 23
- trot - 3,3
- length - 9
Weight, kg:
- maximum takeoff - 2000
- fuel - 500
- maximum target (payload / combat load) 300
Speed ​​(cruising), km / h: - cruising 180
Maximum flight duration, h - 20
Practical flight altitude, m - 7000
Combat application radius, km - 1000

2) At MAKS - 2020 under the same name: "Sirius" was presented already completely different, single-motor UAV heavy class:

TTH:
Wingspan, m - 30
Height, m ​​- 3,6
Length, m - 13
Maximum takeoff weight, kg - 5000
Maximum payload mass, kg - 1000
Cruising speed, km / h - 295
Flight duration (at max load), h - 40
Maximum flight altitude, m - 12000
Length of GDP, m - 1800

Completely confused ... Probably, so that "the enemies do not guess"!

[Thrifty]

That is, it will have for PN as on a regular attack aircraft, for example, an intra-fuselage compartment! Okay! Moreover, the war in Karabakh forced the Kremlin to reconsider its position on the ubpl. I hope this is not a temporary trend, and the plant in the Moscow region will be constantly loaded with military orders.

[carstorm 11]

Hello, arrived) firstly, it is the Ministry of Defense that decides and not the Kremlin) secondly, their development began much earlier than Karabakh))))

[Thrifty]

castrom11 - what do you mean, honestly? And why a bunch of other projects killed "died" at the testing stage, due to the lack of money to finance these projects ubpla? And only after Karabakh there was money for the purchase of two projects at once - Orion and Altius. ..

[carstorm 11]

They had money) even on the second they managed to steal already had to be given to others for revision) do you understand that they were not made in six months?) Orion in Syria experienced as it were)

[Thrifty]

casrtorm11- don't you want to understand me? Very different drones flew, of different schemes, but remained only single prototypes, programs were curtailed MO wanted a drone, the government did not give money! What we have built, lightweight options, unable to carry a substantial payload of tens of kilograms. Then, the Ministry of Defense pushed through funding, allocated a penny. And after the war in Karabakh, they gave money for the ubpl! !!

[businessv]

Quote: Thrifty

Very different drones flew, of different schemes, but remained only single prototypes, programs were curtailed MO wanted a drone, the government did not give money!

Colleague, you and casrtorm11 are both right! And there was money, and development, too, but really could not decide on the type of aircraft, so the offices were stupidly sawing funds. The Hunter was released for testing - not a cheap thing. Karabakh simply showed that high-flying junk can be used for a certain type of database. We hinted to the developers how - bae, that it is good to cut, it's time to cut it! Well, without the Kremlin and the Defense Ministry there will be no, this is understandable.

[Tusv]

Quote: businessv

therefore the offices were stupidly sawing funds.

Remember. This is where the bourgeoisie is sawing their budget. We master it

[businessv]

Quote: Tusv

We master it

Pancake! Sorry, I made a reservation!

[carstorm 11]

Again. Orion has been tested in Syria since 18. Karabakh has nothing to do with it. At all. The Ministry of Defense understood the need for them a long time ago and financed the development for a long time. Of course, not everyone reached the finish line, this is a fact. There is no need to tie Karabakh to everything. Nothing much happened there. I dare to remind you that the Turks used their rattles back in Idlib long before Karabakh and ours got to know them very well as well as their tactics.

[Tusv]

Quote: carstorm 11

firstly, it is the MO that decides and not the Kremlin)

Not well, the technical specification for the product and the acceptance exactly from the Ministry of Defense, but the decision is still up to the Kremlin

[Tusv]

Quote: Thrifty

Moreover, the war in Karabakh forced the Kremlin to reconsider its position on the ubpl.

IMHO. The Kremlin did not even think to revise its positions after Karabakh. The program started twenty years ago with the purchase of the first UAVs from Israel. And it's extensive. From kamikaze drones to heavy UAVs with artificial intelligence. Notice the "Hunter" was put on the wing long before the conflict. Another thing is that against the background of the actions of the Aerospace Forces in Syria, where there is a relative no-fly zone, the development of UAVs is not at all noticeable.

[Thrifty]

Tusv-С70 Hunter for the next 5 years will be an experimental program, and they will be built over the years three new copies, with a flatter fuselage, a new stealth coating, the engine will receive a flat nozzle. One machine will be "ground" for static tests, the other two will go to the pulp and paper industry, for running-in, and only after 2025 will they decide to launch or not launch the C70 into series.

[Tusv]

Quote: Thrifty

One machine will be "ground" for static tests, the other two will go to the pulp and paper industry, for running-in,

One or three machines are always kept by the design bureau. And running in. Product 50 ran in 10
- yu cars

[Thrifty]

Tusv -on the MO website a few months ago it was indicated about ordering and purchasing THREE copies of the C70! I am writing what I personally read! !!

[Tusv]

Quote: Thrifty

on the MO website a few months ago it was indicated about the order and purchase of THREE copies of the C70!

Everything is correct, MO has three hunters, KB has two

[Thrifty]

Tusv - I am writing again that the order is ONE FOR THREE C70 Hunter!

[Tusv]

Thrifty. I am writing again. The prototypes of the Ministry of Defense are not transferred, they remain with the design bureau. And what is transferred to the MO belongs to the MO

[Thrifty]

Tusv - well, experimental KB machines are built for their own money, do they have the means for this? Because the Ministry of Defense ordered and paid for the creation of THREE C70 gliders, and the "fillings" for them.

[Tusv]

R&D does not interfere with the order. Ito and more are paid by MO

[Thrifty]

Tusv - we are talking about the same thing but in different languages, although we both write in Russian! The Ministry of Defense paid for the C70 gliders for the order in the amount of THREE copies, and then according to the list there is a complete set for each engine, filling, but THREE gliders were bought! And, one ready-made ground, two others to the Combat Application Center. I write about this all the time! !!

[private person]

Notice the "Hunter" was put on the wing long before the conflict.

And in what conflict did these "hunters" really light up and become so famous? Can you please for more details? It’s just interesting, otherwise it seems that no one has seen them except for the Zvezda TV channel.

[Tusv]

Quote: private person

And in what conflict did these "hunters" really light up and become so famous?

And in what conflict did Bulava, Yars and Vanguard appear? And what about the S-400? "That's why they don't bite"

[private person]

And in what conflict did Bulava, Yars and Vanguard appear?

Well, when they light up, we may not see, we will see their counterparts for a short time. Not for long, and then together to heaven.

[Errr]

Quote: Thrifty

That is, it will have for PN as on a regular attack aircraft, for example, an intra-fuselage compartment! Okay!

450 - 300 = 150 (kg). These same 150 kg are non-combat payload, located, of course, inside (there is only "sight" pulls a kilo by 55). Sirius will not have any conformal weapons bays.

[Adimius38]

yes, give at least something to the troops, how many years you can build some prototypes already even impoverished Ukraine has 6 pieces of Turkish shock drones .......... in Russia for 21 years of the era of Vladimir Vladimirovich - nothing ... and the time frame can be announced until 2050. The troops need shock drones here and now, not stories about what will be there someday. Who can provide the Russian troops with an attack drone now? NO ONE. Point.

[carstorm 11]

Yes give already, calm down) Orion is already coming

[Adimius38]

Orion is already coming and it is being built where in the basement on the knee ??? the serial production plant has not yet been built and production starts only at the end of the year at best How many storytellers there are.

[carstorm 11]

The company immediately told MO that it would open a larger plant for larger deliveries. Which is under construction now. Until that moment, they had less power. But three sets have already been delivered. These are three UAVs and a control vehicle in one. it was announced on October 28 by the MO. Serial contract signed. 6-7 sets per year

[Humpty]

Quote: Adimius38

copies already

Are you talking about yourself? Fight on in epilepsy. It is difficult to understand that such a technique by itself will not grow like mushrooms. Fast and a lot.

[jonht]

Orion is already in the army, it is not worse than the Turkish ones, it is also medium-high, with a combat load of up to 200 kg.

[Adimius38]

Do not tell tales the serial production plant is only planned to be built. Production will be launched only at the end of the year

[carstorm 11]

You are healthy? Do you think they all this time sculpted an experimental party, a military one in the garage?) They have been flying in Syria since the age of 18)))

[DMi]

The rearmament of the army began under Vladimir Vladimirovich. With his active patronage and participation. So we need senseless attacks and ritual chants in the style of "it's all to blame." Specifically, for the change in the army over the past 10 years, I must say thank you.

[Adimius38]

Of course, and not with him was a certain Serdyukov))))) you can not talk about the state of the army under Serdyukov, the military will understand. The rise of the army, by the way, began only under Shoigu, and only he can be thanked.

[DMi]

Who removed Serdyukov from his post? Who appointed Shoigu? Pope? I sometimes freak out how adults manage to think like teenagers unable to see anything beyond their noses.

[Pete mitchell]

In no case do I justify Serdyukov, he screwed up a lot, but it was with him that much of what Shoigu is praised for, including the famous "cartoons", began. I read an article that it was Serdyukov's skills as a tax officer that helped to quietly finance many developments. Definitely, Serdyukov will one day have to answer for mediocre reforms ...

[Nychego]

The value of the image intensifier is not indicated, and for a UAV it is extremely important, especially if it is planned to punch holes in the enemy's air defense.
Well, the ceiling is too small - another couple of thousand meters could reduce the losses of the UAV at times. Another fresh example of how the "Standard Bearers" carried the "Wasps" unrequitedly having superiority in flight altitude over their missiles.
Otherwise, yes, the road is right - UAVs can still be very effective, if properly used in conjunction with other weapons systems and in conflicts of a certain kind.

[loki565]

Still fresh is an example of how the "Standard Bearers" carried the "Wasps" unrequitedly having superiority in flight altitude over their missiles.

You will be very surprised, but they took the Os far from 8 km, but much lower. It's just that they never fly one UAV at a time, there are immediately integrated shock, reconnaissance, repeater / electronic warfare, also "targets" that distract the attention of air defense

[silverwolf88]

colleagues ... and whose engines will we install on this model? ...

[Santa Fe]

In the photo - the layout

The issue has not yet been resolved with engines for him.

[mark1]

Quote: Thrifty

Udet for PN as on a conventional attack aircraft, for example, the inner-fuselage compartment!

The compartment will be, that's how much (in terms of volume) the fuselage will fit in there, the narrow fuselage. Although the internal suspension is certainly good. What engines are interesting for him - I'll go read them.

[Thrifty]

mark1 - its capacity is up to 200 kilograms, the engines want to be supplied by ours, money was allocated for the development of a whole line of engines. That is, now they will deliver what they can buy, and ideally, in a couple of years, all light and medium ubplas will be with Russian engines.

[mark1]

Lean - I wrote "by volume", because ammunition occupies a certain volume and has a different average density. Those. if they wrote that 4 x50 kg bombs will fit + there is / no place left, it would be exhaustive for me.
The engines, of course, are ours (at least on the basis of production), but the intrigue is different - what type of shopping mall. can be ADF, theater or hybrid. And if it is in principle clear with the APD, then the theater, for example, of such power and dimensions and developed by us is of interest, and the hybrid is absolutely cool (at the level of a breakthrough).
By the way, silence on the engines (or I'm not looking there), if someone knows - share it.
Thrifty, before you rush to put cons, understand the essence of the issue.

[donavi49]

914 Rotax and its pirated copy of the APD-120, when the questions are cleared there, will give all the permits, tests and everything else.

[mark1]

Well, of course, the ADF is also good (if in production), but I wanted a miracle.

[Thrifty]

Donavi 49 - we asked for a license for this engine, did not receive it, so the matter will be limited to the purchase of a batch, or several batches of the engine. There will be no "pirated copies", OWN line of several engines of different weight, thrust, power density is quickly created from scratch!

[donavi49]

from scratch

A word from the developer of the engine range.
You said the engine was inherently problematic. What's wrong with him?

Engine was made on the basis of a foreign aircraft internal combustion engine with a capacity of 100 hp. By itself, this is a good engine with a decent resource. But for our tasks, according to the terms of reference, it is not suitable. Primarily due to the element base (sensors, actuators, connectors) used on the engine.

When we were just connected to work, at CIAM he stood on the stand with the turbine already installed, but did not give out the required parameters.

Engine control unit (ECU) made in the USA did not allow the engine to operate in turbocharging mode: the control system did not understand that there was an increased air consumption, and got up to self-locking. The adjustment tables were closed.

Initially, this engine is naturally aspirated, it has a compression ratio of 10,5: if it is pressurized, the pistons begin to burn out.

In this regard, it was necessary to build a new ideology for controlling the engine and turbocharging in such a way that the air pressure on the ground did not exceed the calculated value, providing the required power at takeoff and at altitudes up to 7500 meters.

Considering the importance of the tasks to be solved, we proposed a variant of the KO-1 engine (the first design appearance) so that flight tests could begin.

This is a naturally aspirated engine, with an electrically controlled throttle valve, an American electronic control unit, but controlled through a Russian intermediate unit (helicopter with revision). There was no propeller control function, the propeller was fixed at a constant pitch.

This was a temporary measure: the engine was originally for a manned aircraft, therefore, in parallel we began to create the final version - KO-2, including the Russian control system.

When the bench tests of the KO-2 variant began, problems with sensors, actuators, ignition coils, electrical wiring, including connectors began to appear.

The main problem was the transition to 27V power supply. The motor was originally designed for a nominal voltage of 12V, which is unacceptable according to our regulatory framework.

In this direction, together with our counterparties, we carried out a lot of design work, which made it possible to achieve satisfactory results and bring the engine to the GSTI stage.

But so far we have been working with the engine that we had: with a hybrid wiring of 12-27 V and software that required improvement.

With them, we conducted endurance tests.

Ultimately I am as a constructor would like to see an option KO-3: with Russian sensors, actuators and wiring with SNTs connectors. Only with such a design of the engine can you be sure of complete safety.

[Thrifty]

Donavi 49 - in fact, there are several companies and design bureaus in the program that are busy creating new engines for drones, your article only confirms that the creation is going on hard. ..

[donavi49]

Well this article is about Agate and APD-110/120. It was about him that I wrote what they did on Rotax. And it is he who goes to the hero of the article and Orion (well, or the Rotaxes - if it comes out to get them without noise ).

[Thrifty]

Donavi49 - it's not a matter of "getting it", the creator of this engine is our citizen living in Austria, the problem is in the presence of American components in the engine, which is why they are not sold to us - for this is a violation of patent rights. There are two options - we can do everything from scratch, or change American nodes in Rotax, but to which one?

[Thrifty]

mark1 - I didn't give you a minus, admins will confirm! And they want a turbo-ventilator engine, or theater, and there, what will be created earlier!

[hagen]

Wingspan - 23 m, length - up to 9 m. Maximum takeoff weight - 2 - 2,5 tons (preliminary), of which 1 ton is fuel. Payload - 450 kg

Something is not clear, who is misleading whom? More recently, Surius was described as an apparatus with a take-off weight of 5 tons and a payload in the military version of 1 ton, in the civilian version - 2 tons. In the article, however, all the characteristics are severely curtailed. Is the author exactly talking about Sirius? I am tormented by vague doubts that they are again sniffing something untested.

These are the characteristics Kronstadt presented at MAKS-2019. Who is right?

[donavi49]

You have different Sirius. This one with a turboprop was presented on Max:

But at Army-2020, this Sirius was presented with 2 Rotax914 / APD120 and this is a completely different layout.

[Thrifty]

Donavi 49 - that's why the project was redesigned, that 2 engines, although more voracious, give out more than one thrust, which means that some characteristics of the drone can be changed upwards. A lot of ammunition, for example.

[hagen]

Thanks, enlightened!

[Thrifty]

Hagen, perhaps the problem is in the engines, what we can supply does not give the necessary thrust, hence the low speed of the drone. At first, they counted on a different engine, but apparently, because of the sanctions on it, they simply did not sell it, now they will put what they can buy, for a start.

[hagen]

Quote: Thrifty

perhaps the problem is in the engines,

I repent! Confused with Altius-U .... That one is also on two engines - RED .... And even this year it is planned to be delivered to the Moscow Region.

[123456789]

Quote: carstorm 11

Yes give already, calm down) Orion is already coming

Suede jacket ... Three!
And whose engines are on Orions and Sirius?

[donavi49]

Rotax / APD from Agat (the same Rotax, only localized in a little Chinese way, without the support of the official manufacturer). Orion also has an optical station from South Africa, which is assembled from a set at NPK SPP.

[Adimius38]

I don’t know which one especially gifted believes these site storytellers, BY THEIR WORDS ORION is already in full swing into the troops and in the meantime - MOSCOW, April 16 - RIA Novosti. "Kronstadt" has begun construction of the first specialized plant in Russia for the serial production of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), the launch of the enterprise is scheduled for November, the press service of the company told RIA Novosti.