Biden's announcement of the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan left no choice to the allies

US President Joe Biden sent Secretary of State Anthony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin to Brussels to discuss the withdrawal of the alliance's troops from Afghanistan with his NATO allies. Thus, the American administration emphasized that the United States makes decisions and acts together with its partners, and not alone, as Donald Trump did.

Politico columnist Jacopo Barigazzi argues on this topic.

And although formally the principle of "entered together - left together" was respected, Biden's statement on the withdrawal of troops left no choice to the allies. After all, none of them harbor illusions that they are capable of operating in Afghanistan without American support.

If earlier the withdrawal of troops was conditioned by certain conditions, now the US President has made it clear that the army will leave Afghanistan, no matter what happens there. And this worries Washington's European allies in the alliance. After all, the aggravation of the situation in the country, which may be provoked by the Taliban after NATO troops leave Afghanistan, can provoke a large wave of migration from here to European countries.

On the other hand, most of them understand that the withdrawal of the American military was inevitable; the element of uncertainty was only when it would begin and when it would end.

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[The leader of the Redskins]

As soon as the striped ones and their "Tobaccos" are removed from Afghanistan, an undying hotbed of tension will flare up with renewed vigor there.
How many generations have grown up there without understanding the word MIR?

[Svarog]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

As soon as the striped ones and their "Tobaccos" are removed from Afghanistan, an undying hotbed of tension will flare up with renewed vigor there.
How many generations have grown up there without understanding the word MIR?

This hearth will also begin to creep apart ..

[Shurik70]

That the Taliban will take power is a fact.
But that after that there will be many refugees is not a fact.
Those who wanted and could have fled from there long ago.
And the Taliban themselves do not need a massacre at home.
And the flow of drugs from there will no longer be. He reached the maximum under the Americans.

[Cowbra]

Exactly. It was under the USA that the tension only increased. For example - where were the ISIS commanders taken from Syria by helicopters? This is the type of stability added to Afghanistan?

[Nasrat]

Quote: Svarog

This hearth will also begin to creep apart ..

Everything will happen exactly the opposite ... This is a chance for Afgan ... Now all his closest associates are in favor of stabilization and economic cooperation ... Let's see how it will be ..

[Svarog]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: Svarog

This hearth will also begin to creep apart ..

Everything will happen exactly the opposite ... This is a chance for Afgan ... Now all his closest associates are in favor of stabilization and economic cooperation ... Let's see how it will be ..

The United States comes there .. where it is profitable and leaves the same with profit .. it is profitable for them to leave now .. since control over Afghanistan will still remain in their hands .. but terrorists can be sent in any direction .. while they are in the face " of the world community "will remain the" guarantor of peace "by kindling wars where it suits them ..

[andrewkor]

I fully support you! Afghanistan's neighbors are intensively developing plans for joint development of its natural resources. See "Railways of Afghanistan". In short: Uzbekistan and Pakistan are already conducting research on the railway line from Mazarisharif to Peshawar, Iran has its own similar project, Turkmenistan has its own, even poor Tajikistan is planning something of its own. The countries of Central Asia need access to the South Seas! One branch already exists through Iran, several are needed. America only interfered with all these undertakings! Well, the road is a tablecloth!

[Real Pilot]

We see history repeating itself. Just with a different sauce.

The USSR withdrew from Afghanistan, practically winning. But everything and everyone was thrown by the "dove of peace" Gorbachev.
The Americans are farther from victory than the Union was, but they did not invest so much in the development of the country, sheltered the drug trade, and occupied a strategic foothold. They have all trips from bases, even to the market, as to a combat operation on armored vehicles and in full gear.

And yes, Gorbachev left no choice to the allies when he was withdrawing troops from the GDR and Eastern Europe ... He left everyone to their own devices, including the withdrawn servicemen and their families, and sent weapons to the "clear field".
And the place of the USSR was taken by NATO.

What am I for? And to the fact that such withdrawals of troops (with the wording "no matter what happens") speak of weakness and loss of leadership. We see that not all is well with the hegemon. And history repeats itself, just with different national characteristics!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

How many generations have grown up there without understanding the word MIR?

In arabic AS-SALYAMU ALEIKUM - PEACE TO YOU ...
Every resident of Afghanistan utters a word WORLD several times a day ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: cat Rusich

In Arabic AS-SALYAMU ALEYKUM - PEACE TO YOU ...
Every resident of Afghanistan pronounces the word MIR several times a day ...

It is difficult to understand what a man with a machine gun behind his back is talking about the world, and even more so to understand their medieval mentality, because at the time of our confrontation, we lived in the 20th century, and they were at least 300 years late and that the Earth revolves around the Sun, many of them do not know until now, but from the cradle they know perfectly well what "chars" is and about the houris that await them after the murder of the infidel.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Stroporez

, we lived in the 20th century, and they were at least 300 years late.

L. Tolstoy - the book "War and Peace" ...
Written by L. Tolstoy in the second half of the 19th century, about the events of the early 19th century. In the understanding of L. Tolstoy "man of the 19th century" in the title of the book the word WORLD = people.
But who remembers this today ...?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: cat Rusich

But who remembers this today ...?

I have been asking myself this question for more than 30 years now, why did they kill and maim us and why did we beat them up to blue in the face without pity and compassion? We came to help them build socialism at the very time when they were not only in a state of feudalism, but rather a primitive communal system. Incidentally, their main "field commanders" were educated enough and used the "peaceful dukhans" for their own purposes.
Overcubating all these stories, an understanding comes about what is happening in our country today.
Lack of education, critical thinking, understanding of cause-and-effect relationships, leads us to the position of a third-rate appendage of the Western world. Sadness, however.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Stroporez

We came to help them build socialism at the very time when they were not only in a state of feudalism, but rather a primitive communal system. ... Sadness, however.

When the child comes to school (the parents bring the child to school), the child does not start teaching ALGEBRA, but begins with the ABC and LETTER ...
Can "build socialism" in Afghanistan one should start with boarding education for children and adolescents in Afghanistan in USSR...
And to build socialism already relying on such "trained" ones, appointing them to command positions, so that there would be a "temptation" to send their children to "study in the USSR". Growing up "in the spirit of communism", without the moral teachings of their parents, red Taliban today would "build communism" in Afghanistan ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: cat Rusich

Maybe "building socialism" in Afghanistan should start with boarding school children and adolescents of Afghanistan in the USSR ...
And to build socialism already relying on such "trained" ones, appointing them to command positions, so that there would be a "temptation" to send their children to "study in the USSR".

Comrade, very consonant thoughts!
When I talked with the veterans of the first draft, and these are calls from the 81st to the 84th, it turns out that they are all conscripts from the 60th onwards, years of birth, respectively, playing in the yard "in the Germans and ours", hence the outrageous heroism and hatred of the enemy, in the format of veterans' stories and films with Olyalin ... Our calls were already less disciplined and politicized, to avenge the dead comrades, the portraits that hung in every Lenin's room, became the main ideologues of the fighter of the kurkovo unit, the second period of the war. But this is IMHA kaneshna.

[halpat]

Yes, the Taliban will finally put things in order there.
A hotbed of tension was formed there and does not fade, just thanks to the Anglo-Saxons, from time immemorial.
The "Englishwoman" did not want to allow the Russians to get a direct route to India. This is if in one sentence.

[LiSiCyn]

China may consider sending a peacekeeping force to Afghanistan after the withdrawal of American troops, since the current security situation in that country poses a threat to the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of the PRC.

▪️US President Joe Biden announced that the withdrawal of the US military contingent of 2500 troops from Afghanistan will take place by September 11, 2021 (the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attack in New York).

▪️It is worth noting that # China trained Afghan military units and helped create a mountain brigade. The training took place in China, and the purpose of the brigade was to repel possible attacks by Al Qaeda and the Islamic State.
"A holy place is never empty".
But, after the mattresses leave, it will be necessary, very seriously, to monitor the republics of Sr. Asia.

[Artyom1979]

Quote: LiSiCyn

China may consider sending a peacekeeping force to Afghanistan after the withdrawal of American troops, since the current security situation in that country poses a threat to the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of the PRC.

Oh well. How many countries have already been burned there. I doubt that these will get there.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Artyom1979

Th something I doubt that these will climb there.

Climb. There are already very serious grandmothers spinning. Chinese .. With the Taliban, they are already Vas-Vas, through the Pak. So that...

[Suraikin.Aleksandr]

The political leadership that sits in Qatar and pretends that it can exert some kind of influence inside Afghanistan is one thing, but the field commanders on the ground are completely different people, weakly connected with each other!
The Afghan Taliban itself, as they were weakly controlled fanatics by jihadists, remain so.
If they seize power in Afghanistan again, they will remember that it is not necessary for the infidels to keep the words given to the infidels, but to kill the infidels and fight for the world jihad is pleasing to Allah.
If you remember, they were not much different from ISIS in their views and methods used!

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Suraikin.Aleksandr

If you remember, they were not much different from ISIS in their views and methods used!

I agree.
Let the Chinese try it and see what happens. The main thing is that we don't go there. And they, to us.

[D16]

If you remember, they were not much different from ISIS in their views and methods used!

Have you heard anything about the Afghan government before the Amer invasion? Almost nothing, except that they stifled the production of opium and did not arrange any expansion, interfering with the lives of neighbors. I'm not thrilled that they blew up the ancient statue of Buddha, but this jamb is inherent in Islam in general, and not a problem of the Taliban.

If they seize power in Afghanistan again, they will remember that it is not necessary to keep the words given to infidels

The overwhelming majority of states are fulfilling these international obligations either out of hand, or as long as it is profitable.

now the US president has made it clear that the army will withdraw from Afghanistan, no matter what happens there.

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That is, no obligations will be required from the Taliban.

[hrych]

Quote: Artyom1979

How many countries have already been burned there.

Here, not only were burned, but after the inglorious departure from Afgan, these empire-countries were falling apart. By and large, the collapse of Great Britain began there, after the recognition of Afghan independence in 1926. Then the USSR and now the USA. They will come out, and after a short period of time they will fall apart

[antivirus]

and Pakistan and Tajik and Uzbek and all neighbors can bring in a platoon of police to escort the goods. laugh. and in the end - to designate the protection of their fellow tribesmen and so and act further - if something is there somewhere, we will help keep the peace. money is worth those territories.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: LiSiCyn

US President Joe Biden said that the withdrawal of the US Armed Forces contingent of 2500 troops from Afghanistan will take place by September 11, 2021 (the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attack in New York).

You can declare anything, but to believe the Americans, it's the same when the station girl shouts "I'm a virgin!"

[Paranoid50]

Quote: tihonmarine

also when the station girl screams "I'm a virgin!"

But what if?! This means that in the case of a station "escort girl" such a situation is theoretically possible, but only on condition that services are provided in an alternative way.
Conclusion: there is much less confidence in the claims of the mattresses than in the claims of the fallen feminine.

[Sergey39]

The Allies are more than happy to be finally allowed to leave Afghanistan. If the United States itself still leaves there, that is far from a fact.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sergey39

If the US itself still leaves there, that is far from a fact.

They won't go away.

[Alexander Betonkin]

What will happen to Afghanistan after the US withdraws is practically nothing new. The United States and NATO do not particularly influence life in the country. Power will officially pass to the Taliban, which practically already has it. The production of drugs, as it was and will be, may increase. Of course, the number of mercenaries in other countries will increase. Well, the struggle between tribal groups will also increase. The main thing is that we are not dragged there again.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexander Betonkin

What will happen to Afghanistan after the US withdraws is practically nothing new.

But in any case, better than in the states.

[Alexander Betonkin]

Maybe so, maybe not. According to unverified (especially) data, some US services facilitate the export of drugs from the country. If the channels are closed, then the turnover will go through the southern countries of the former USSR, and this is very bad. And the fighters who have been fighting for twenty years (even more) where will they go? That's right, they'll go to different countries. Although they have so many different local groups there, they themselves cannot figure it out. And whether the Americans will withdraw the troops is a question. I personally don't really believe. Some "advisors" may remain.

[Konstantin Gogolev]

Does anyone even believe they'll leave? It's warm, dry, Iran is nearby, poppy again. And China will be too good. They won't go away.

[rocket757]

Stripes dominate, command and ... do what they need.
Shaw will be there in Afghanistan, this is their business, although something will have to be done, when they end up there, they will climb to the former allies, and this will not bring us happiness !!!

[Maks1995]

So it seems that they left under Trump, and under Obama ...
While these are shaky intentions and all

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Max1995

So it seems that they left under Trump, and under Obama ...

Sonny Hunter is taxed, dad needs to raise the rating (only in words).

[tihonmarine]

And although formally the principle of "entered together - left together" was respected, Biden's statement on the withdrawal of troops left no choice to the allies.

They will be withdrawn from Afghanistan, but where will they be brought to Ukraine or Poland?

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: tihonmarine

And although formally the principle of "entered together - left together" was respected, Biden's statement on the withdrawal of troops left no choice to the allies.

They will be withdrawn from Afghanistan, but where will they be brought to Ukraine or Poland?

There was somewhere infa that is closer to China, Indo-Pacific region

[Dizel200]

What did it come?

[123456789]

The ice has broken, gentlemen of the jury, the ice has broken.

[Operator]

The NATO countries are not just worried about the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan, but they are ... out of fear - today Afghanistan, and tomorrow, you see, Europe

[tralflot1832]

The results of almost 20 years of the US stay in Afghanistan: 2 trillion dollars have been spent so far. Almost 2400 US military personnel have died, more than 3800 PMC contractors (a very interesting proportion), about 1100 allies. The result is a defeated country and the Taliban, which is waiting for the invaders to leave. Yes, the United States. He knows how to bomb, but to consolidate the victory on the ground, somehow it does not work out very well. They are still leaving Iraq and Somalia, they will soon appoint a date.

[OgnennyiKotik]

The results of the almost 10-year stay of the USSR in Afghanistan:

Irrecoverable losses of the USSR amounted to 15051 people, including:

• SA servicemen - 14427 people.
• Subdivisions of the Military Commission and the KGB of the USSR - 576 people.
• Formations of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs - 28 people.
• Other ministries and departments - 20 people.
Average daily losses - 4 people.
Sanitary losses - 469685 people, including:
• Wounded, shell-shocked, traumatized - 53753 people.
• 415932 people got sick.
455071 people were returned to service.

Losses of equipment and weapons were:
• Aircraft - 118;
• Helicopters - 333;
• Tanks - 147;
• BMP, BMD, armored personnel carriers - 1138;
• guns and mortars - 433;
• Radio stations and command and staff vehicles - 1138;
• Engineering vehicles - 510;
• Flatbed cars and fuel trucks - 11369.

417 servicemen were missing and taken prisoner. 130 people returned to their homeland. Subsequently (until 1992), 119 prisoners were freed. As of February 15, 2009, 270 people remained on the list of missing persons. As of March 1, 2013 (according to various sources), these lists included 264 people.

To support the Kabul government, $ 800 million was spent annually from the USSR budget. On the maintenance of the 40th Army and the conduct of hostilities from the budget of the USSR, from 3 to 8,2 billion US dollars were spent annually.

It is not necessary to tell how this war turned for the USSR and Afghanistan.

[iouris]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

It is not necessary to tell how this war turned for the USSR and Afghanistan.

Not everyone has been reformatted yet. And we do not need to snatch our story. In addition to the war, the USSR built infrastructure in Afghanistan and carried out progressive reforms.
In the USSR, over 40000 people died in road accidents alone in one year.

[kill the fascist]

Most likely the Taliban will take power in most of Afghanistan. Time will tell what will happen next. The last time the Taliban came to power, Afghanistan had the lowest drug traffic. The Taliban had a short conversation with drug dealers. I think that our special services have established contacts with representatives of the Taliban.

[iouris]

I doubt that the withdrawal will take place. Only "cesarean section".

[Aleksandr123]

I subscribe to your opinion. They have already withdrawn from Syria, they have withdrawn, but they have not withdrawn. It's the same here, unfortunately. The less they are everywhere, the calmer we are. And not only to us.

[Graduate student]

Biden's announcement of the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan left no choice to the allies

With a new lost US war

[Graduate student]

After all, none of them harbor illusions that they are capable of operating in Afghanistan without American support.

So they do not act very well with the help of the United States