Ankara sent modernized M60A1 tanks to Libya

To train the fighters of the Government of National Accord (GNA), Ankara sent to Libya the American main combat units modernized in Turkey. Tanks M60A1. This step is a direct violation of the international arms embargo on this African country.

According to the Voenny Obozrevatel Telegram channel, messages about this appeared on several resources of the Turkish Ministry of Defense, but were soon deleted from there.

Information about the presence of the PNS forces of the M60 tanks supplied by Ankara was received earlier. In particular, in the "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" wrotethat last month the Turkish military showed the same M60A1 tanks in the hangar, next to which were the PNS servicemen and specialists from Turkey. But now there is no access to these photos.

Turkish instructors explained to the Libyans the device of a 85 mm M12,7 machine gun mounted on a tank, designed to destroy ground and air targets.

And for the first time, information about the supply of this equipment by Ankara appeared a year ago. Then the Turkish source Akademik Filo on his Twitter page published a photo of a tractor carrying a tank covered with a tarpaulin. The author of the picture claimed that it was М60А1.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Eh, I would like to touch this transatlantic classics with pens ...
I know, now they will amicably offer to go to Kubinka, only there is no time for this for a long time ...

[Engineer]

and I would gladly touch this oblong object

[Professor]

Quote: Engineer

and I would gladly touch this oblong object

What is the problem? Crawl off the couch and into the airport, and there is the plane and Libya.

Turkey takes on a lot. It will burst.

[Anzhey V.]

Turkey takes on a lot. Will burst

Why do you think so?)

[Professor]

Quote: Anjay V.

Turkey takes on a lot. Will burst

Why do you think so?)

"Stretch your legs according to your clothes" is a Russian proverb. Turkey has no allies. Moreover, she is at odds with all her neighbors, except for George. Demographics are in the ass, the economy is too dependent on external factors, the army is decapitated ... Continue?

[Anzhey V.]

Well, let's face it, this is far from an objective assessment of Turkey.

In addition, you do not take into account the fact that Ankara has influential patrons, and its current and future policy is fully in the interests of the United States and Britain.

[Professor]

Quote: Anjay V.

Well, let's face it, this is far from an objective assessment of Turkey.

And I do not pretend to be a super duper expert.

Quote: Anjay V.

In addition, you do not take into account the fact that Ankara has influential patrons, and its current and future policy is fully in the interests of the United States and Britain.

Quite the opposite. Erdogan is like a bone in the throat of the Anglo-Saxons. S-400, F-35, ... patrons?

[Anzhey V.]

Quite the opposite. Erdogan is like a bone in the throat of the Anglo-Saxons. S-400, F-35, ... patrons?

Did you not think that this was a deliberate political move that allowed to raise Turkey's status as "a country that can challenge even the almighty United States"?)

In addition, the Turkish defense industry has been developing by leaps and bounds in recent years - and with all due respect to their engineers, they could not have ensured a leap for themselves on their own. Considering the enviable ties of the Turkish military and industrial elite with Britain, the answer to the question "how?", In essence, is obvious.

Ankara serves as a natural counterbalance for China and its satellite Iran, where the Americans and the British themselves cannot provide this: in Pakistan, in Central and Central Asia, in the Muslim countries of Africa. The United States can safely plan a military confrontation with the PRC, without being distracted by the struggle for spheres of influence - it now has a "Great Turan", which will best ensure the cultural, confessional and economic confrontation with Beijing.

[Professor]

Quote: Anjay V.

Ankara serves as a natural counterbalance for China and its satellite Iran, where the Americans and the British themselves cannot provide this: in Pakistan, in Central and Central Asia, in the Muslim countries of Africa. The United States can safely plan a military confrontation with the PRC, without being distracted by the struggle for spheres of influence - it now has a "Great Turan", which will best ensure the cultural, confessional and economic confrontation with Beijing.

Turkey to China as before [REDACTED]. I understand your sympathy for Turkey, but you can't frankly ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

The Anglo-Saxons are pumping money and technology into Turkey, teaching them politicians, scientists, engineers and the military. They recently signed a free trade agreement with Britain, through Qatar loans and direct injections of money into the economy, joint development of new types of weapons, permanent joint exercises between the United States and Britain with Turkey. Turkey, by the way, has led the NATO Rapid Reaction Force.
Strengthening Turkey is a direct blow to China and Russia. She is sent to Islamic countries. Naturally, the Turks themselves are not strong enough. Therefore, they are not alone.
At the same time, it is necessary to maintain controllability of the Turks, to tighten the reins, hence the stories with the S-400 and the Kurds. No one has canceled the carrot-and-stick method. But that's less than 1% of what the US can do.

[Professor]

Are you also from the Society of Praises of Turkey? On health, but Turkey and China are like an elephant and a Pug.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: professor

Turkey and China are like an elephant and a Pug.

Naturally, who can argue with this? Therefore, Turkey, the United States, Britain, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Taiwan, etc. are going against China. Each has its own front.
Turkish is Central Asia (in the same place, suddenly South Korea), Islamic countries of the rest of Asia, North and Central Africa

[Anzhey V.]

Turkey to China as before [REDACTED]

At the moment, yes. But China is far from omnipotent.

He is extremely powerful economically, but acts extremely clumsy and aggressive.

I understand your sympathy for Turkey

Well, if you like that, I really sympathize with the Turks. I am studying how they work in different countries, and yes, I am extremely impressed with their approach. They have a lot to learn.

In my spare time I will do material about this for VO - of course, rather short, but I think you will understand what exactly I am talking about.

So far, at this stage, I do not see any radical prerequisites for them to overstrain the implementation of the current strategy.

[Professor]

Quote: Anjay V.

At the moment, yes. But China is far from omnipotent.

He is extremely powerful economically, but acts extremely clumsy and aggressive.

With precision on the turn. This sultan behaves like an elephant in a china shop, and the Chinese are marathoners. They look far ahead. Turkey has no allies, China has. Turkey has a show-off, while China has strength and wisdom.

Quote: Anjay V.

Well, if you like that, I really sympathize with the Turks. I am studying how they work in different countries, and yes, I am extremely impressed with their approach. They have a lot to learn.

Explore China's expansion. Turkey is resting.

Quote: Anjay V.

So far, at this stage, I do not see any radical prerequisites for them to overstrain the implementation of the current strategy.

Not a hat for Senka. How are they doing with their finances? Did Lyra play back? How about demographics?

[Thrifty]

Leader of the Redskins, go to Syria, and best of all to Libya, where you will touch them, burned out, it makes no difference to you which tank you touch. ...

[Prisoner]

If the photo shows the result of modernization, then you don't need to feel it. Immediately print the funeral for the crew. Date after the fact.

[Pereira]

The Turks did find where to place them. And that's true. Do not throw it away?

[Emil Azeri]

Quote: Pereira

The Turks did find where to place them. And that's true. Do not throw it away?

Do you throw away your T72, especially the modernized ones?

[Pereira]

Not. T - 72 is being modernized.
The old stuff has already been thrown away.
So what?

[Alex777]

Why are you interested in?
Are you a Turk or are you simply worried about them?
Or you have nowhere to put the cons?

[Prisoner]

Would you like to? But this is unlikely. They help many frostbitten ones to go to the houris.

[mojohed2012]

Tank with a 105 mm cannon and a 12,7 mm machine gun, reinforced with armor.
Such a thing will do bad deeds, tk. Haftar mostly has only machine guns on pickups, a lot of armored personnel carriers, but not particularly tanks. They kicked them out during the collapse of the state and endless wars.
Apparently, this is why (apart from the position on Crimea and support for Ukraine), the Russian Federation also introduced a ban on holidays in Turkey, and later on tomatoes ...

[donavi49]

Well, there are a couple of tank battalions with the help of Sisi and murky contractors, including Ukraine and Batko (who still help to maintain the Jamahiriya equipment).

In general, if anything is interesting, a kind of cold war in Libya. The main tank of the Western democracies against the main tanks of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Treaty. Moreover, most likely both are +/- with capabilities from the tube 70s. I do not think that the Turks sent them Sabr or modernized ones with automated control systems, maintenance, teplak and so on.

Recently, the 106th brigade conducted exercises.

It’s all bad at PNS with equipment. They historically had a lot of Palmaria, but few tanks. Plus, during the period of polis fragmentation, many tanks were physically lost, both in wars between groups, and brought to a non-repaired state / abandoned / burned / looted. Haftar, on the other hand, immediately tidied up the equipment - even a slow one quite awaited repairs or civilized analysis for cannibalization.

[knn54]

In fact, the Turks support the formally legitimate Saraj, like the Russian Federation of Assad in Syria, and I think that Tripoli is enough for them, and Libya will no longer be within the same borders as under Gaddafi, at least in the foreseeable future.

[WHAT IS]

And most importantly, it will not be the same as under Gaddafi in social terms.
For each family member, the state paid $ 1 in subsidies per year.
Unemployment benefit - 730 $.
Nurse salary - 1 000 $.
$ 7 was paid for each newborn.
The newlyweds were given $ 64 to buy an apartment.
At the opening of a personal business one-time financial assistance - 20 000 $.
Large taxes and fees are prohibited.
Education and medicine are free.
Education and training abroad - at the expense of the state.
A network of shops for large families with symbolic prices for staple foods.
For the sale of products with an expired date - heavy fines and detention by special police units.
Part of the pharmacies - with the free release of drugs.
For counterfeit drugs - the death penalty.
The rent is absent.
There is no payment for electricity for the population.
Credits to buy a car and an apartment are interest free.
Buying a car up to 50% is paid for by the state, for the militia fighters - 65%.
Gasoline was cheaper than water.

[Alex777]

Gasoline was cheaper than water.

In Africa, water is very expensive.

[Alex777]

And Libya will no longer be within the same borders as under Gaddafi.

And this depends on how much the RF, EAR and the UAE will be interested.
No interest has been seen yet. IMHO.

[DWG1905]

Not a problem to Haftar Egypt will throw tanks, his assortment will be even richer.

[Anzhey V.]

Bgggg, citizen, you are a year late, Egypt is already on friendly terms with Turkey)))

And no one else will give Haftar even a rusty bolt, he is deeply uninteresting to everyone.

He lost the main Libyan asset in the form of oil and oil terminals forever, and the destroyed cities and crowds of hungry and poor Libyans, who are the only "value" of the territories under his control, are not needed by anyone for nothing.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Anjay V.

And no one else will give Haftar even a rusty bolt

Is he generally capable? Personally, I haven't seen news with him for a long time.

[Anzhey V.]

Is he generally capable? Personally, I haven't seen the news with him for a long time

Probably alive, only he is already a corpse from a political point of view.

As such, he lost the army, and probably funding too. The Turks are generally deeply uninterested in it - they do not need all of Libya as a whole, because they adhere to a completely different strategy for integrating countries, and Haftar does not pose a military threat.

Its last support was Egypt, but Cairo is moving towards a natural rapprochement with Ankara - they have common interests and common problems.

[OgnennyiKotik]

LNA is moving towards rapprochement with Turkey, not like Egypt

Haftar's army allows Turkish ships to visit ports in eastern Libya

https://radiosputnik.ria.ru/20210317/liviya-1601713197.html

[Anzhey V.]

LNA is moving towards rapprochement with Turkey, not like Egypt

How wonderful)

However, it is not too surprising - they, I think, themselves perfectly understand where the wind is blowing from.

They have no sense to butt with Turkey, especially since Ankara is capable of gaining the upper hand without shooting in the humanitarian and economic confrontation.

[OgnennyiKotik]

By the way, Libya is a textbook example of how the United States conducts policy. In fact, they are for LNA and PNS. But they created a coalition and pitted them against each other, the British-Turkish with the French-Emirati-Egyptian. Whoever wins, the United States wins, but first and foremost the gain is in maintaining instability and dividing Libya.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Anjay V.

How wonderful)

And Russia is also giving up Haftar.

Defense Minister of the Russian Federation General of the Army Sergei Shoigu held talks with the Chairman of the Government of National Unity of Libya Abdel Hamid Dbeiba.

Opening the meeting, the head of the military department congratulated Abdel Hamid Dbeiba on his election to the post of Chairman of the Government of National Unity.

The Minister of Defense said that Russia's efforts helped to achieve a political settlement in Libya and the cessation of hostilities, Moscow expects to resume full-scale interaction between the military departments of the two countries.

[Anzhey V.]

Incidentally, I am surprised why some of our, um, personalities adore the CIA agent Haftar, who worked as a "marshal" in the interests of the Emirates and France.

It's a strange logical chain - we love Gaddafi, but we also love Haftar, who overthrew him ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Anjay V.

Incidentally, I am surprised why some of our, um, personalities adore the CIA agent Haftar, who worked as a "marshal" in the interests of the Emirates and France.

It also surprises me, or rather amazes me.
Open Haftar, a well-known CIA agent, US citizen, his home in Virginia a few dozen minutes drive from Langley, lost all wars, personally overthrew Gaddafi.
Maximum vile and despicable figure. Which the sold and betrayed your country, your people, your commander-in-chief.

[Anzhey V.]

Actually, a very comprehensive description.

[Konstantin Gogolev]

If you approach responsibly and thoughtfully, then there are no unsolvable problems. Especially when there is a lot of mess.

[Evil 55]

Sheathing with plywood does not mean increasing the armor protection ...

[Constanty]

showed the M60A1 tanks in the hangar, next to which were the PNS servicemen and specialists from Turkey. But now there is no access to these photos.

This photo?

[Reserve buildbat]

And is the M85 machine gun a mattress one? Which has never been able to replace the M2 HB?