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In Dubna, Moscow Region, serial production of the "Inokhodets" drone will begin

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The first plant for the production of shock drones will appear in Russia, and serial production of the "Inokhodets" UAV will begin in Dubna near Moscow. This was reported by the press service of the company.


A new specialized plant for the serial production of attack drones will be opened in Dubna near Moscow and should be operational by November 2021. According to preliminary data, the area of ​​the new enterprise will be 45 thousand square meters, it will employ about 1,5 thousand people.

According to RIA News With reference to a source familiar with the situation, the new plant will first of all produce the Inokhodets (Orion) strike drones for the Russian army, as well as reconnaissance and civilian versions of this drone. It is planned that the serial production of unmanned aerial vehicles will close the shortage of the "Inokhodets" strike drones, which are so necessary for the Russian military. It is not excluded that in the future the enterprise will master the production of other models of drones developed by the Kronstadt company.

Orion was created by the Kronstadt company within the framework of the Inokhodets development project under a contract with the Ministry of Defense. The UAV is capable of staying in the air at maximum load for up to 24 hours. Flight altitude - 7,5 thousand meters. The maximum payload of the drone is 200kg. A line of ammunition has been developed for the drone, which will be included in the universal armament complex, which is also used for the Altius and Outpost strike drones.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 16 2021 06: 54
    -6
    "The first plant for the production of attack drones will appear in Russia, the first plant for the production of attack drones will appear in Russia,"

    Why the first one? But what about the "Okhotnik" company Sukhoi?
    1. kenig1
      kenig1 April 16 2021 07: 01
      +19
      NAPO them. Chkalova produces mainly manned equipment, and a plant for the production of unmanned aerial vehicles was built in Dubna from scratch.
      1. SSR
        SSR April 16 2021 07: 19
        +7
        Quote: kenig1
        a plant for the production of drones was built from scratch in Dubna.
        he already was and is. It's just that the production sites need to be redone and modernized a little. Local people know about this for two months already.
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov April 16 2021 08: 12
          +5
          The Dubna plant was, as it were, loaded, the products are in demand. By the way, there is a magnificent museum with a large number of samples of manufactured products. Been there last year.
      2. lucul
        lucul April 16 2021 08: 09
        -2
        and in Dubna, a plant for the production of drones was built from scratch.

        And they did the right thing in Dubna.
        Central Russia should have its own high-tech cluster, and not be scattered around the periphery.
        1. Asad
          Asad April 16 2021 10: 50
          -1
          Of course, to central Russia! What nonsense, to build something on the periphery!
          1. lucul
            lucul April 16 2021 11: 11
            0
            Of course, to central Russia! What nonsense, to build something on the periphery!

            In / in Ukraine, the communists have already tuned in to our head.
            1. Cottodraton
              Cottodraton April 16 2021 11: 30
              +1
              And what about Siberia? Don't need to develop? Or should we only have "tourism", but to cut our woods?
              1. lucul
                lucul April 16 2021 11: 56
                -2
                And what about Siberia? Don't need to develop? Or should we only have "tourism", but to cut our woods?

                Have you forgotten about independent Siberia? In the 90s, it was rattled about it from every corner.
                1. Cottodraton
                  Cottodraton April 16 2021 20: 15
                  +1
                  What? ... I don’t understand who was talking about what, but Moscow time policy has always been - to jump, grab and ruin
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 16 2021 14: 31
                +1
                There are already 5 trillion rubles worth of production projects in Siberia.
                1. Cottodraton
                  Cottodraton April 16 2021 20: 17
                  -2
                  Yeah, we know. Sawing, digging, pumping ... some kind of adequate development is not visible, unfortunately
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 April 17 2021 23: 39
                    0
                    There are no infrastructure projects and real production plants, factories, industrial parks, scientific complexes, the same Skif in Novosibirsk, and much more - not connected with raw materials and wood sawing.
              3. Barberry25
                Barberry25 April 16 2021 16: 53
                +1
                Because Kronshtard is in Moscow time and, therefore, transferring the main site for the production of UAVs to Siberia for 1,5-3 thousand km to the right is with a guarantee to fill up the state order with all the chances to ditch the project ..
    2. Ka-52
      Ka-52 April 16 2021 07: 03
      +11
      Why the first one? But what about the "Okhotnik" company Sukhoi?

      because NAZ named after V.P. Chkalov is not a specialized UAV plant
    3. TerraSandera
      TerraSandera April 16 2021 07: 03
      +8
      The FACTORY will appear, not the drone. Be careful.
      PS with the hunter has not yet fully resolved even the appearance, and the one that is built is a prototype for testing. Orion is already in service.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 16 2021 07: 40
        -9
        We have a plug with some ACCESSORIES, without which the assembled models, as well as models for launching from a slide, may remain!
        We do not produce components that cannot be assembled on the knee, in any basement ... we need high-tech production, a serious scientific, experimental, production base ... we need a STATE PROGRAM to restore the lost!
        1. venik
          venik April 16 2021 08: 58
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          We have a plug with some ACCESSORIES, without which the assembled models, as well as models for launching from a slide, may remain!

          ========
          With what exactly ?? More details please! And it turns out: "..We have a "plug" with accessories ... We need accessories ... we need a program ..... ".
          WHAT accessories, WHAT program, WHAT is lost here? Some general phrases ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 16 2021 09: 20
            -5
            Quote: venik
            With what exactly ??

            Engines, sensors for reconnaissance / control systems, generally electronic element base, modern, reliable, compact / small ... at reasonable prices, by the way.
            In general, it is easy to understand all this by looking inside any serious electronic device ...
            And do not say that for military purposes we produce everything that is needed .... IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
            If there is no industry, small industries, factories, experimental workshops and others cannot provide / produce everything you need.
            But now try to answer, where we have all this, hidden, that no one can see it.
            1. Artunis
              Artunis April 16 2021 10: 45
              +5
              At the expense of electronics, the program already exists and is quite specific and the loot for it has already been allocated. It's just that this news went very quietly and imperceptibly, but who knows the topic! And our IT specialists and electronics engineers now have a rush to work without any exaggeration. For example, who is interested in taking a look, and this is only part of the accepted plans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t7_eu4GI4Y
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 April 16 2021 11: 16
                -4
                When it WILL be, then in the forefront I will rejoice for our country!
                In the meantime, we will look, with regret, at those who shrug and throw their hats when we collect something / twist their imported components.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 April 16 2021 18: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  That's when it WILL be

                  It will be then when a large series of products for which they are required will go. Any production should put its products somewhere, therefore, without a serious order, it will be produced by "small production", but if the construction of shock UAVs begins, then it, like a steam locomotive, pulls all contractors.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 April 16 2021 20: 45
                    -2
                    We have a need for various engines.
                    How to provide a wide range of products, you will have to break your head, but an acceptable solution can always be found. We are not the first, we are not the last to follow this path.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 April 17 2021 06: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: rocket757
                      We have a need for various engines.

                      It's all about quantity. Airplanes and tanks are produced in large batches and engines for them also go without delay, and drones have just begun to be put into production, so the mass production of engines is also beginning to be established. There may be difficulties at first, but then it will get better.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 17 2021 10: 44
                        0
                        Do we only need an internal combustion engine in the military sphere?
                        And for consumer goods, industry, such engines are not needed?
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 17 2021 11: 56
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Do we only need an internal combustion engine in the military sphere?

                        Special engines are produced for UAVs. This plant will specialize in this type of product.
                        In the rest of the area, they are also needed, but they have their own customers and their suppliers.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 17 2021 12: 39
                        0
                        I had to visit many enterprises ...
                        For example, GPZ, bearings, nomenclature from precision ones, with a nail size, to those in which you could stick your head.
                        There are many different lines / workshops, each of which specializes in a specific nomenclature of products, similar in weight and size characteristics, but MANY combined workshops that make blanks / units of a wide range !!!
                        Look at other factories! Final assembly on our own specialized lines / areas, and many blanks for all products are made in single workshops / areas.
                        Of course, making a diesel engine for a locomotive and a small engine for a UAV are different enterprises, but it is not necessary to build dozens of such DIFFERENT enterprises!
                        This is my vision of the problem, how it will be solved ... I don't know.
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 17 2021 15: 10
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        but it is not necessary to build dozens of such DIFFERENT enterprises

                        It all depends on the quantity. If there will be a huge number of drones (not immediately, of course, but in the future), then it is possible to open a separate plant.
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 17 2021 16: 04
                        +1
                        And there is. An enterprise / workshop for the assembly of specialized products can be independent.
                        I said that some positions / assemblies for future engines can be manufactured in one place.
                        So casting, metalworking and much more. Then the cost price can be reduced, the quality can be ensured that is necessary, and not the one that will turn out.
                        If not giant factories, then something united by the same type of products ...
    4. dvina71
      dvina71 April 16 2021 11: 18
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Engines,

      The owner of the Itlan engineering center, Mikhail Koryukov, in an interview with Mil.Prеss Voyennoye, spoke about how thorny is the path of adapting imported piston engines to military performance characteristics.
      ... Mikhail Alexandrovich, in the spring of 2020 there was information about problems with the development of a piston engine for the Orion medium-range UAV. What are the reasons?
      We joined the Pacer theme in 2013, and we were already the fourth organization that worked on this engine as part of the Orion-APD midrange design and development project. The engine was initially quite problematic ....
      ... The Ministry of Defense signed an acceptance certificate for heavy UAVs consisting of three vehicles. What kind of engines are they on?
      Our four engines that we shipped in 2019. The characteristics of the supplied engines are available in the closed information feed Mil.Press Key (access only for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation).
      https://aviator.guru/blog/43254639604/Razrabotchik-dvigateley-dlya-BPLA-otrasl-spaset-tolko-tsentr-kom
      EOS ..
      Interview with Deputy General Designer of JSC "NPK" SPP "Viktor Sumerin
      ...
      What other systems for aviation, besides those mentioned above, are you ready to offer in the future? On what media can they be used?

      By order of the Kronshtadt Group, for the Orion-E long-duration medium-altitude unmanned aerial vehicle, which debuted at the MAKS-2017 air show, we have developed an optoelectronic system MOES, which is made according to the classic “ball” scheme. According to this scheme, the information channels are arranged independently of each other and have parallel optical axes with separate windows. The general gyrostabilization system is made according to a four-circuit scheme: two coordinates of the outer rough contour and two coordinates of the inner precise contour. For the MOES product, we used the ARGOS-Z gyro platform developed by the South African company HENSOLDT (formerly Airbus DS Optronics). At present, flight tests of MOES are being carried out as part of a UAV.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 16 2021 11: 56
        +1
        The owner of the Itlan engineering center, Mikhail Koryukov, in an interview with Mil.Prеss Voyennoye, spoke about how thorny is the path of adapting imported piston engines to military performance characteristics.

        I believe it's NOT EASY, I believe what they are doing ... but, here's my vision of the problem / my wishlist, there should be a mass production of a line of such engines for various purposes, devices !!!
        The price, quality and range are sufficient to meet the needs of consumers in our country !!!
        I have several devices on bezo-engines ... on principle I bought one OUR .... to run it MOROKA! and other "little things" are not encouraging. There is a pure Korean .... no complaints, it has been working well for a year already. I'd better keep quiet about the Chinese, there are a lot of jambs.
        I WAIT, HOPE that I will buy ONLY OUR and it will work well!
    5. ABC-schütze
      ABC-schütze April 16 2021 11: 18
      +1
      If my memory serves me, at least, in Zelenograd, Novosibirsk, Kaluga, Saransk, and in ... Minsk ("Integral", in the aforementioned context, also kind of like "our") ... we have nothing "- emotions. We have lost a lot in terms of the development and serial production of the required IET nomenclature, and will not return it soon. Yes, undoubtedly ... Personnel, first of all. Even if BIG money is allocated, they do not grow "faster". Here, for the training of a competent, clearly understanding and versed production specialist, after a university, a period of at least 5 - 6 years is necessary ... Alas ... Well, but the "ass" limiting his knowledge and horizons, formal compliance with the "requirements" of the NTD, of course, and a year and a half can be prepared. only from such "scenarioists" the sense is not very great ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 16 2021 12: 01
        +2
        Quote: ABC-schütze
        So remarks like "we have nothing" are emotions.

        This is not for me ... I am talking / writing only about what does not exist, and not about everything and in general.
        Quote: ABC-schütze
        We have lost a lot in terms of the development and serial production of the required IET nomenclature, and will not return it soon.
        Exactly, that we WILL NOT RETURN SO SOON, because at least somehow they ran in, took care when not just a rooster pecked, but specifically FIRE, FIRE!
        It turned out / was easy to destroy, with a whistle! It's hard to recover! Without the support of the state, purposeful, powerful, nothing will come of it!
        PS. Personnel, first of all. but this is a very painful topic, which was talked about, talked about and ... I can't imagine how and where it is really solved here! And not so that there are separate manifestations, victories in different competitions, but a MASS FLOW OF TRAINED PERSONNEL into the industry!
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 April 16 2021 10: 28
    -8
    So you have a sho, gag with an answer ... or are you looking for factories in the electronics industry, looking, but you can't find it?
    1. Artunis
      Artunis April 16 2021 11: 47
      +4
      At first you asked about the plans and the state program, I gave you a specific answer, so now give you immediately built factories with well-established production! Old people Hotabychey have not been observed lately, you will find let me know! And about reasonable prices, you are welcome to the economic educational program for schoolchildren. An example - to reduce the price of a separate manufactured part, product .... it is necessary to produce many millions of such parts and their sales - marketing. Just count in your mind about how many of these drones, tanks, guns, chips ... will be able to buy our MO with the most optimistic forecasts ??? Thousands, even tens of thousands at best. Although this is unlikely. Isn't it funny yourself? And for example, the construction of one turnkey factory for the production of microelectronics using modern technological processes costs 3-5 lard of evergreen papers! And what about scientific and technological revolution and so on? Simple economics, nothing personal!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 16 2021 12: 26
        -1
        Quote: Artunis
        So now give you immediately built factories with well-established production!

        I immediately wrote that these are DREAMS, WISHERS.
        I have been working in production for many years, I don't need to explain that nothing HAPPENS right away!
        If, I, was sure that the plans would be implemented ON TIME and SO AS IT IS NECESSARY, I would not have booted on this topic at all.
        Unfortunately, in our situation, PLANS does not mean that it will be done ON TIME and so HOW IT IS NECESSARY.
        this is our reality ... and you probably live in another! So you're in luck, it seems.
  • Breard
    Breard April 16 2021 19: 23
    -2
    Very true! "Russian patriots" will now yell that "Only we are only Russia"
    But these are fairy tales ... for those who do not want to think. As confirmation - just finished off "IL"

    And this is the norm! Balt and then slowly ... release on the brakes!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 16 2021 20: 50
      0
      We NEED the aviation industry !!! We need our own planes and other miscellaneous!
      Those. you need clear planning and adherence to the plans.
      And of course, you need a COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH to any problem.
      This is the only way we can maintain our position.
  • lucul
    lucul April 16 2021 08: 15
    +2
    Orion has already been put into service.

    And you need it like air to issue target designation.
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 April 16 2021 08: 32
      -9
      Quote: lucul
      And you need it like air to issue target designation.

      Who?
      1. lucul
        lucul April 16 2021 08: 43
        +3
        Who?

        Grandfather)))
        Artillery, MLRS.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent April 16 2021 08: 13
    +1
    Quote: Olgovich
    Why the first one?

    Because "Orion" was the first "IZ" to complete the tests and was put into service.
    Quote: Olgovich
    But what about the "Okhotnik" company Sukhoi?

    It will come to him as soon as it is completely ready. And they will most likely do it in Komsomolsk on the Amur, deploying additional production facilities.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 April 16 2021 08: 31
    -10%
    Quote: Olgovich
    But what about the "Okhotnik" company Sukhoi?

    "Hunter" is just a platform for testing various technologies, and it will not become a "drone" in our common sense soon, if at all.
    1. venik
      venik April 16 2021 09: 02
      +1
      Quote: Bez 310
      Hunter "is just a platform for practicing various technologies, and a" drone "in our common sense, will not be soon, if at all.

      =======
      Why would it suddenly? With what fright?
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 April 16 2021 09: 09
        -5
        Quote: venik
        Why would it suddenly? With what fright?

        Do you have a different opinion? Argument ...
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon April 16 2021 10: 22
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    "The first plant for the production of attack drones will appear in Russia, the first plant for the production of attack drones will appear in Russia,"

    Why the first one? But what about the "Okhotnik" company Sukhoi?

    "Okhotnik" is not mass-produced and therefore there is no plant for its production yet.
  • ABC-schütze
    ABC-schütze April 16 2021 11: 07
    0
    If I am not mistaken, Sukhoi does not have a plant for "production of drones". And its branch is the Novosibirsk plant named after I. Chkalov, also produces a whole line of manned "Su" ...
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 16 2021 16: 51
    -1
    Well, maybe that's why the Hunter has not yet been adopted for service? and therefore it makes no sense to talk about production, given that prototypes are made in the same place as conventional aircraft
  • lelik613
    lelik613 April 17 2021 07: 28
    -1
    The fate of Su 47 awaits him. "Unparalleled in the world")))
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 16 2021 06: 57
    +11
    But what is being done, the plant is being built again! So it’s not all that bad!
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 16 2021 07: 37
      -23%
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Why is this being done,the plant is being built again!So it’s not all that bad!

      I missed something, but how many factories have been built recently? I can only name a few (on the fingers). And this is over the past thirty years. In fact, more of them are closed than they are opened. But in the USSR, factories were commissioned in thousands and not for a thousand people, but for tens of thousands.
      1. lucul
        lucul April 16 2021 08: 18
        +6
        I missed something, but how many factories have been built recently?

        You have missed the last 20 years altogether. )))
        Russia's GDP was $ 1999bn in 200, and by 2020 the GDP was $ 1600bn, having increased 20 times over 6 years.
        1. Galleon
          Galleon April 16 2021 08: 50
          -7
          In 2000, gasoline 92 was 5p80kop, and now it has grown by how much, by 8,5 times? I don't want to remember the prices for the rest. So much for the GDP loss. If measured in dollars, then gasoline has almost tripled. If anything has grown, it is the volume of hydrocarbon production and the speed of their sale abroad. For this, the vertical was also built.
          1. lucul
            lucul April 16 2021 08: 54
            +2
            In 2000, gasoline 92 was 5p80kop, and now it has grown by how much, by 8,5 times? I don't want to remember prices for the rest

            I gave the growth in dollars, and you are trying to write off everything on inflation in RUBLES.)))
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 16 2021 09: 15
              +4
              Quote: lucul
              I gave the growth in dollars, and you are trying to write off everything on inflation in RUBLES.)))

              So all the same tricky lol , and even in everyday life - they want to receive income in thousands of dollars, and spend - in hundreds of rubles.
            2. Galleon
              Galleon April 16 2021 09: 46
              -10%
              [quote = Galleon] If measured in dollars, then gasoline has almost tripled. [/ quote]

              [quote = lucul] [quote] I gave the growth in dollars, and you are trying to write off everything on inflation in RUBLES.))) [/ quote]
              You have amazing abilities, lukul. You did not read my remark, but you began to object to it. And if you have read and understood, then why object? Okay with gasoline. Do you want me to remind you of the prices for bread in 2000?

              Luculus, my friend, you have chosen the wrong topic. To argue for the loss of the achievements of the zeroed with friends against the loss of prices is like against the wind or other elements.
              1. lucul
                lucul April 16 2021 10: 19
                0
                To argue for the loss of the achievements of the zeroed with friends against the loss of prices is like against the wind or other elements.

                Do you even see your schedules yourself? )))
                On your charts, vodka in Russia costs $ 10 for 0.5 liters)))
                Secondly, in terms of housing construction, Russia has overtaken the entire USSR. Agriculture (cereals, meat). Automotive industry (although not its own), but by many indicators.
                In return, sagging in key industries - machine tools, electronics, heavy industry, shipbuilding, of course, not without the help of overseas partners
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 April 16 2021 13: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: lucul
                  in terms of housing construction, Russia has overtaken the entire USSR

                  I doubt it.

                  Quote: lucul
                  Agriculture (cereals, meat). Automotive industry (although not its own), but by many indicators.

                  Agriculture is about the same. Look at the volumes - something less, something a little more. The fact is that the sown area has decreased three times compared to the RSFSR! But a significant gain comes from new food technologies, after all, more than 30 years have passed. The USSR would not have stood still either.
                  In the automotive industry, it is incorrect to compare, assembling foreign cars with a screwdriver with a full-fledged assembly of domestic cars.
                  1. lucul
                    lucul April 16 2021 14: 48
                    +2
                    I doubt it

                    What to doubt? )))
                    We are looking at housing commissioning in Russia in 2014 - 84 million mXNUMX.
                    When throughout the USSR, on average, housing commissioning was 60 million m1985 per year, and only in 70 there was a peak of up to XNUMX million mXNUMX, then again a decline.
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 April 16 2021 16: 03
                      -1
                      Quote: lucul
                      We are looking at housing commissioning in Russia in 2014 - 84 million mXNUMX.

                      Subtract private buildings and cottages from here. Let's leave only new buildings. The picture is completely different.
                      1. lucul
                        lucul April 16 2021 16: 14
                        -1
                        Subtract private buildings and cottages from here.

                        Cottages for 84 million mXNUMX? Original)))
                        Of these 84 million square meters, half of the new buildings were built by private companies, and this is normal. And those cottages and 2 million square meters will not be typed.
                      2. Stas157
                        Stas157 April 16 2021 16: 26
                        +1
                        I meant it is necessary to distinguish between industrial construction and individual IZHS (samostroy). Look (in blue) here the USSR built more new buildings (industrial construction).



                        That is, now, if the USSR had not been destroyed, there would be even more apartments. And notice free! It would not be necessary to bend your back on a bonded mortgage all your life.
                      3. Sergey Valov
                        Sergey Valov April 17 2021 12: 47
                        +1
                        "And mind you, free!" - it means that in Soviet times you did not stand in line for an apartment, and you don’t know the housing hopelessness of those times.
                        “All my life to bend my back on a bonded mortgage” - firstly, no one forces, and secondly, in Soviet times, they could simply refuse to queue not only for a free apartment, but also for a cooperative, which, by the way, was still a yoke on the neck.
                        What you call self-construction is the freedom of a person to choose whether to live in an anthill in the city, or separately in nature.
                      4. Stas157
                        Stas157 April 17 2021 17: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Sergey Valov
                        "And mind you, free!" - it means that in Soviet times you did not stand in line for an apartment, and you don’t know the housing hopelessness of those times.

                        But I know the heavy burden of mortgage bondage. My parents received an apartment three times in the USSR. And they still live in it. Together in a 4-room apartment received free of charge.

                        Considering the fact that the RFSFR was building new buildings more (as we can see from the graph given over the years), if the USSR had not been destroyed, now would have owned new apartments much more of people. And it's completely free! How do you like this prospect? In my opinion, this is very cool.
                      5. Sergey Valov
                        Sergey Valov April 17 2021 18: 42
                        +1
                        "Heavy burden of mortgage bondage" - mind you, voluntary bondage.
                        "And it's completely free!" - firstly, I repeat, you don’t know the topic (I’m talking about getting housing in the USSR), and secondly, it’s free only in a mousetrap.
                        "We got an apartment three times in the USSR." - with all due respect to your parents, it is a pity that they did not tell you in detail about the conditions and practice of obtaining housing in the USSR.
                        Speaking of parents, my father, in 1944 he was drafted into the army and entered the flight school, in 1972 he was demobilized as a lieutenant colonel for health reasons, he never received the living space he was entitled to at the place of conscription.
                      6. Stas157
                        Stas157 April 17 2021 19: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: Sergey Valov
                        again You don't know the topic (I'm talking about getting housing in the USSR), and secondly, it's only free in a mousetrap.

                        Yes, I brought you Soviet statistics, look. New buildings were built more than now in Russia. More people would have apartments now under the Soviet Union!

                        Quote: Sergey Valov
                        with all due respect to your parents, it is a pity that they did not tell you in detail about the conditions and practice of obtaining housing in the USSR.

                        So it was all with me. I remember every apartment I received. This process was actively discussed each time in the family. There was a line for apartments. But the father approached the head of the workshop with a request for an apartment. Since he was a valuable worker, his request was satisfied every time. Mother was never given an apartment. Father was very fond of poking at his mother with this.
                      7. Sergey Valov
                        Sergey Valov April 17 2021 20: 12
                        +1
                        “So it was all with me” - you, as I understand it, were a child, and wise parents did not tell you everything.
                        “I brought Soviet statistics” - but what does statistics have to do with it? The phrase is beautiful - there is a lie, there is a blatant lie, but there is statistics. wink You will inquire about the CONDITIONS of obtaining housing in the USSR, the conditions of queuing. It was very difficult even to get in line for a cooperative apartment. I know about exceptions, about closed cities, about how limiters and officers received apartments. I then lived, was a grown-up married man with an insoluble problem of my own home.
                        “There was a line for apartments. But my father approached the head of the shop with a request for an apartment ”- I didn't want to, but you yourself forced me - you yourself wrote that you received apartments bypassing the queue, that is, you understand ...
                        I don’t understand why you don’t like individual housing construction - people solve their housing problems themselves, while the level of comfort prevails, a private house (with a plot) is much cheaper than a city apartment.
                      8. Stas157
                        Stas157 April 17 2021 21: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Sergey Valov
                        I don’t understand why you don’t like IZHS

                        I really like IZHS!

                        I wrote about something else. That statistics on individual housing construction should not be mixed with new buildings. There is no merit of the state in the fact that people build on their own, there is no.
                      9. Sergey Valov
                        Sergey Valov April 17 2021 21: 19
                        0
                        "No merit of the state" - so there is practically no merit of the state in the usual new buildings! City high-rise buildings are being built by private traders.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 16 2021 14: 55
    +1
    As well as increasing yields, reducing losses during harvesting, etc. -
    The fact is that the sown area has decreased three times compared to the RSFSR - This is not true
    in the production of cars localize to the maximum of a clean screwdriver no where
    But in the production of rolling bearings in Russia there are significant losses, but it is understandable that our market was flooded with cheap Chinese normal bearings and shit bearings, and the planned distribution production disappeared
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 16 2021 16: 13
      +1
      Quote: Vadim237
      The fact is that the sown area has decreased three times compared to the RSFSR - This is not true

      Yes, you are right (wrote from memory). Nevertheless, the sown area has decreased quite noticeably. At its peak in the RSFSR (76 years), arable land was
      The arable land area also reached its maximum value - 133,9 million hectares.
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton April 16 2021 11: 40
    -2
    I remember something 92 after 2000. Until the 2000s, more and more ai 76 and 93
    1. lucul
      lucul April 16 2021 14: 54
      -3
      I remember something 92 after 2000. Until the 2000s, more and more ai 76 and 93

      Don't you remember the AI-80? )))
      I remember 72 at gas stations, even on one old gas station I remember 66 gasoline was written))))
  • Stas157
    Stas157 April 16 2021 13: 47
    0
    Quote: lucul
    Russia's GDP was $ 1999bn in 200, $ 2020bn in 1600

    I had a comparison of Russia with the USSR! Why are you comparing Russia with Russia? Otherwise, crap turns out? In general, there was talk about factories ... but your discussion rushed off into the distance. Agriculture, construction, GDP ...
    1. lucul
      lucul April 16 2021 14: 52
      -2
      I had a comparison of Russia with the USSR! Why are you comparing Russia with Russia?

      And what can I compare with, with Guadeloupe or what?
      I compare it with Russia - just 20 years of Putin's rule.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 April 16 2021 16: 00
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        And what can I compare with, with Guadeloupe or what?

        USSR in your Guadeloupe or what? I wrote to you above about this, do you read through the sentence?
  • loki565
    loki565 April 16 2021 08: 34
    +8
    I missed something, but how many factories have been built recently? I can only name a few (on the fingers). And this is over the past thirty years. In fact, more of them are closed than they are opened.

    As usual, you missed everything on the hike))) it would be time to change the training manual)))


    But in the USSR, factories were commissioned in thousands and not for a thousand people, but for tens of thousands.

    Hmmm, you can hire one excavator or 100 people with shovels)))
  • venik
    venik April 16 2021 09: 08
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    I missed something, but how many factories have been built recently? I can only name a few (on the fingers).

    ========
    You that - mutant? belay
    PS Dear! If you do not know something, this does not mean at all that it is NOT!
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 16 2021 13: 36
      +2
      Quote: venik
      You that - mutant?
      PS Dear! If you do not know something, this does not mean at all that it is NOT!

      The fact that you are worried and emotionally trying to offend your interlocutor, highlighting your nasty things in bold and typing "no" in large print is understandable. But I never saw the arguments about the built thousands of new mega factories.

      Give statistics on how many factories have been built from scratch and how many have been destroyed in the last twenty years ... Let's rejoice together!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 16 2021 15: 01
        -1
        You can go to one of the professional sites and see what they have built, what they are building now and what they will build from large-scale in Russia there and the periods of the USSR are available for years https://ruxpert.ru
  • lucul
    lucul April 16 2021 08: 09
    +7
    But what is being done, the plant is being built again!

    And do not say - "to what Putin brought the country"))))
  • U-58
    U-58 April 16 2021 07: 04
    -7
    The new plant is good. But where will the 1500 workers be found?
    And so in the capital region there is a shortage of workers. Especially at industrial enterprises.
    Nobody wants to go to work at the factories.
    And here are another 1,5 thousand vacancies
    1. SSR
      SSR April 16 2021 07: 24
      +11
      Quote: U-58
      The new plant is good. But where will the 1500 workers be found?

      And you will talk to people at key enterprises, over 80% of specialists are not local, from all over Russia. Personnel officers will find, only with housing is possible tension, which partially compensates for the withdrawal of people from other enterprises.
      PS.
      We got 1500 for ours.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 April 16 2021 07: 36
      +3
      The labor force issue can be easily resolved, all you have to do is to start giving job seekers service apartments! And then you will have to arrange a competition for a job. This is a strategic direction, and it will be so.
    3. lucul
      lucul April 16 2021 08: 12
      -5
      The new plant is good. But where will the 1500 workers be found?

      Pffff ..... Stalin found millions of workers, they will find it now.
      How many are there? 5 million only private security guards throughout Russia, and how much useless "office plankton" .....
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 April 16 2021 08: 51
        -7
        office plankton


        So he collects UAVs, which can then be immediately scrapped. We need qualified personnel in their specialty.

        And by the way, 1500 workers is a lot. The Seljuk, with its volume, has 800 people. Westel has 500. Austrians from Nostad have 600.




        Again, instead of normal assembly production, everything will be decided by Uncle Vasya with a hangover, who works according to the principle, what is the salary - such work and in general the head is cracking, hammer this connector and take a smoke break.
        1. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton April 16 2021 11: 43
          +3
          What nonsense about Uncle Vasya ... he has control in three stages + military acceptance ... "Hammer in the connector" - well, well ... good luck
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 April 16 2021 12: 22
            -1
            Well, a clogged connector led to several accidents at Roskosmos, including a manned rocket.

            And with the head Su-57, by the way, the story is dark, there is just a campaign defect in the main version.
            1. Cottodraton
              Cottodraton April 16 2021 20: 39
              +1
              As soon as I hear the word: "hike", I immediately understand - the opponent does not know anything on the topic, at all ...
            2. Synoid
              Synoid April 17 2021 03: 34
              -1
              Sometimes it's better to eat than to talk about the SU-57.
              No need to become like toothless old women and spread gossip.
        2. Synoid
          Synoid April 17 2021 03: 35
          -1
          It all depends on the volume of production, localization of production.
          The examples given are just assembly sites.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 April 17 2021 08: 13
            +2
            That is, the plant in Dubna will not be an assembly site? What is it like? Will he start making Austrian diesel engines or their analogs from Agat (where the plant was also refurbished for the production of engines), will he start bending the propellers instead of Aerosila? Optical station to select from NPK SPP and do it on the spot? Phazotron-NIIR - also throw it out and do their things in place? Start making controllers, chips in place? All this will not happen. The Dubna plant will receive components from hundreds of suppliers and assemble them into a single whole at the plant, handling the hulls itself, assembling the control center, assembling, adjusting, pre-flight and flight tests.
      2. Stalker84
        Stalker84 April 16 2021 08: 54
        +9
        Yes, leave alone the security guards and office workers! Do you fucking think these 5 million are such parasites who just do not work ?! Yes, they did not go to protection from a good life, but because there is no normal work with a normal salary in other industries. Pay people well and they will work in factories. Create human working conditions.
  • wow
    wow April 16 2021 07: 04
    +14
    Yes, everything is "bad" with us, especially if you look at ukroTV. Russia is about to fall apart and then-ah-ah ... !!!
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 16 2021 07: 23
    +1
    Does the outpost (sercher) carry ammunition in the original?
    Does one of me have comments all the time?
    1. Errr
      Errr April 16 2021 08: 28
      +5
      This is not about the "Outpost". An article about the "pacer", which in the export version is called "Orion-E". As a combat load (can take at least 200 kg), for example, they can be used:
      - corrected aerial bomb - KAB-20, KAB-50
      - guided gliding bomb - UPAB-50
      - free-falling aerial bomb - FAB-50
      - aircraft guided missile - X-50.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 16 2021 08: 30
        +1
        A line of ammunition has been developed for the drone, which will be included in the universal armament complex, which is also used for the Altius and Outpost strike drones.
    2. Genry
      Genry April 16 2021 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Does the outpost (sercher) carry ammunition in the original?

      "Outpost" takes 100 kg. And he is not an absolute copy of the original.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 16 2021 07: 33
    -2
    In Dubna, Moscow Region, serial production of the "Inokhodets" drone will begin
    That's when they will report that they have STARTED THE FACTORY, another and the next, where they began to produce products for the ELECTRONIC, other kind of industry, in return for what you have to buy over the hill !!! Then we will rejoice and even be proud that we can still OURSELVE, and not go to beg over the hill ... Schaub foreigners choked with their joy that they can NOT GIVE / SELL something to us!
    1. lucul
      lucul April 16 2021 08: 23
      -4
      where they began to produce ELECTRONIC products,

      To do this, you need to create a conveyor for assembling microcircuits, and earlier still create a plant for the production of silicon wafers, and earlier and much earlier ... and this is a lot of money.
      For example, the EU, to develop its semiconductor
      industry is investing $ 200 billion in it in the next 10 years.
      Does Russia have that kind of money to invest in every equally important industry?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 16 2021 08: 32
        -1
        Quote: lucul
        To do this, you need to create a conveyor for assembling microcircuits, and earlier still create a plant for the production of silicon wafers, and earlier and much earlier ... and this is a lot of money.

        Root - a lot of things else is NECESSARY !!! We need a state program for the restoration of an entire industry, and not just one!
        Quote: lucul
        Does Russia have that kind of money to invest in every equally important industry?

        The question of questions ... as one famous red-haired devil said, they have a lot of money, to the point of disgrace or something else!
        The question is, WHO will collect this money in one ... mass and send it there WHERE IT IS NECESSARY, moreover, it will be HARD CONTROL, so that it would be spent as it should be!
        In general, questions, problems and ... and where are the answers, responsible decisions. specific, necessary CASES?
      2. Genry
        Genry April 16 2021 12: 41
        0
        Quote: lucul
        To do this, you need to create a pipeline for assembling microcircuits,

        http://www.gsnanotech.ru/services/korpusirovanie/ - ищут заказы.

        Quote: lucul
        and early still to create a plant for the production of silicon wafers

        https://exportv.ru/zavod/kremnievye-plastiny-ot-proizvoditelya.html
        1. lucul
          lucul April 16 2021 12: 48
          -4
          And saturate the industry, which is not yet visible.
          1. Genry
            Genry April 16 2021 12: 50
            +1
            Quote: lucul
            And saturate the industry, which is not yet visible.

            Where and what is missing? So far, the problem is a shortage of customers, not of manufacturers.
  • Sergey Valov
    Sergey Valov April 16 2021 08: 08
    +6
    "A new specialized plant for the serial production of shock drones will be opened in Dubna near Moscow and should be operational by November 2021" - judging by the timing, one or several workshops of the Dubna Machine-Building Plant will be simply redesigned and called a new enterprise. It's good if I'm wrong.
  • Tagan
    Tagan April 16 2021 11: 01
    -1
    Quote: Stas157

    I missed something, but how many factories have been built recently? I can only name a few (on the fingers). And this is for the last thirty years

    What an interesting move - trying to portray your ignorance as awareness)))
  • Tagan
    Tagan April 16 2021 11: 06
    -1
    Quote: venik
    Quote: Stas157
    I missed something, but how many factories have been built recently? I can only name a few (on the fingers).

    ========
    You that - mutant? belay
    PS Dear! If you do not know something, this does not mean at all that it is NOT!

    His faith does not allow him to write otherwise.))
  • Galleon
    Galleon April 16 2021 11: 17
    +1
    Quote: lucul
    Do you even see your schedules yourself? )))
    On your charts, vodka in Russia costs $ 10 for 0.5 liters)))

    If we take the price per liter, then it will just come out vodka that you can drink: some Kazan "Khanskaya" or Moscow Crystal. Of course, 10 bucks per pint is too much, something from the premium segment. But in general, this figure does not cause confusion or mistrust in me. And you, darling, are you drinking cheap shmurdyak?
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 16 2021 12: 26
      0
      Beluga costs a little more than $ 10 for 0,5, this is already a premium, not an average level. The Russian standard costs 560 for 0,7 is 7,5 dollars (369 for 0,5).
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 16 2021 15: 05
    0
    Now it's time to switch to your electronic element base, your devices, sights for UAVs, a full set of weapons
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 16 2021 16: 56
    +2
    wassat classic ... In Russia, they are building a plant for the production of UAVs - all Topvar's experts stood up in a circle to say that everything is lost and everything is bad and nothing at all will ever be ..
  • Synoid
    Synoid 4 May 2021 11: 36
    -1
    Quote: donavi49
    That is, the plant in Dubna will not be an assembly site? What is it like? Will he start making Austrian diesel engines or their analogs from Agat (where the plant was also refurbished for the production of engines), will he start bending the propellers instead of Aerosila? Optical station to select from NPK SPP and do it on the spot? Phazotron-NIIR - also throw it out and do their things in place? Start making controllers, chips in place? All this will not happen. The Dubna plant will receive components from hundreds of suppliers and assemble them into a single whole at the plant, handling the hulls itself, assembling the control center, assembling, adjusting, pre-flight and flight tests.

    This means (you write down, otherwise you are asking the same thing everywhere) that there is a development of ethereal production.
    This can not please only the enemies of the Russian Federation.