The best rifles of the twentieth century. Discovery Selection

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Individual long-barreled small weapon with a rifled barrel is the main weapon of a soldier of any army. The American TV channel Discovery once again pleased the world with its next weapon rating, the results of which selected the best rifle of the twentieth century. Despite some bias and bias of the “Military Channel” broadcasts, I consider that it is always useful to get acquainted with a foreign view on the topic of interest to us.

Each model was evaluated by military experts on the accuracy of fire, combat effectiveness, originality of design, ease of use and reliability. The presented models of weapons were created throughout the twentieth century, which did not bother the experts at all - in their opinion, good small arms have been used in the regular army for decades, and then get a second life in regional conflicts, with which the Twentieth Century abounds. To make sure that these words are true, it suffices to recall the Mosinskoye “trilinea” of the 1891 model of the year, the Kalashnikov assault rifle or the legendary Colt М1911 - the index speaks for itself, but even after 100 years, the pistol does not seem anachronistic and is still massively used throughout the world.

By the way, this is probably the only rating with a quite predictable final.

10 place - Rifle, beating outright.
Automatic rifle M14
Caliber: 7,62 mm
Muzzle speed: m / s 850
Rate of Fire: 700-750 rds / min.
Store capacity: 20 cartridges



During World War II, the US Army faced a major problem: each infantry platoon used three types of small arms with various ammunition: the standard M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle (0.30-06 caliber), the Thompson submachine gun of the Xth caliber, and the manual machine gun "Browning" M45 (1918 x 7,62 mm). The result of the work on the theme “universal small arms” was the creation of an automatic rifle, the M63; The M14 used a full-sized 1957 caliber cartridge (the powder charge is 76 times as large as the AK-14), thanks to which the rifle had a large effective range of fire and high ammunition slaughter.
The best rifles of the twentieth century. Discovery Selection

However, in practice, the new rifle was unsuitable for combat: an extremely powerful ammunition did not allow to fire in bursts without using bipods - at a distance of 100 meters 3-I bullet in the queue went to 10 meters above the starting point of aiming. Most of the rifles were issued to soldiers with the interpreter of the fire regimes removed - firing in bursts from the M14 was nothing more than a waste of ammunition. After tormenting the M14 for several years, the Americans adopted a new automatic weapon for a low-pulse cartridge. In the 1964 year military career M14 as the main military rifles over, but high power and excellent accuracy of this unfortunate machine helped to create on its basis the line of special rifles - semi-automatic sniper rifle M21, precision-guided weapons for special forces - M14 Enhanced Battle Rifle, Sniper Rifle TEI M89 -SR for the Israel Defense Forces, rifle for the Armed Forces of Lithuania, etc.

9 location - First assault rifle
Automatic assault rifle Sturmgewehr 44
Caliber: 7,92 mm
Muzzle velocity: 650 m / s
Rate of Fire: 500 rds / min.
Store capacity: 30 cartridges



So unique weapon that its creation was hidden even from Hitler. In the middle of World War II, the Wehrmacht came to the idea
creating a new small arms, combining a high rate of fire of a submachine gun and the power of a long-barreled rifle. German designers have found a brilliant solution - an intermediate cartridge 7,92 x 33 mm. Now the recoil did not pull the machine out of the hands; nevertheless, the effective range and destructive power of the ammunition fully corresponded to the classic long-barreled rifle. And thanks to the reduction in the mass of the cartridge, wearable ammunition increased.

Alas, Uncle Adolf himself stood in the way of a successful project - fortunately for our soldiers, Hitler did not appreciate the advantages of the intermediate cartridge and closed the project. But the huge firepower of the machine guns impressed the military so much that in 1943, they began mass production under the “left” designation MP-43. During one of the inspection trips, the leader of the German nation was surprised by the request of the soldiers - they need more assault rifles. Despite the deception that had opened up, Hitler independently came up with a resounding name for the new “vundervaffe” - Sturmgewehr 44 (“Hurricane rifle”).

Despite the primitiveness of the design, the German machine gun is rightly praised for the innovative nature of the design - there are still disputes whether the legendary Kalashnikov machine gun was created under the impression of the StG 44.

8 Place - American Long-Liver
Longitudinal Sliding Rifle Springfield M1903
Caliber: 7,62 mm
Muzzle velocity: 820 m / s.
Rate of Fire: 10 rds / min.
Clip Capacity: 5 Cartridges



The American rifle of the early twentieth century, one of many successful designs created at the time. Accurate and reliable weapons.
In 1941, the American soldiers went into battle with the same rifles as their 20 fathers years ago. New rifles M1 "Garand" was simply not enough, and the Marines had to use the Springfield M1903 in battle, but objectively the rifle was not outdated at that time, surpassing all Japanese designs in basic characteristics. It was also used in Vietnam as a special sniper rifle (“What didn’t exist there, in this Vietnam!” - the reader will exclaim, and he will be right - weapons from all over the world have been fighting there, from different time periods). Nowadays, Springfields are carefully kept in many American families.
A good weapon, but, in my opinion, the creators of the program could find more interesting things for rating. Americans paid tribute to their traditions, their rating - they have the right.

7 seat - Back to front
Automatic rifle Steyr aug
Caliber: 5,56 mm
Muzzle velocity: 940 m / s
Rate of Fire: 650 fps / min
Magazine capacity: Cartridge 30 or 42

The exotic design and technology of the Austrian rifle “Steyr AUG” became a real challenge to the army tradition. The Armee Universal Gewehr complex of small arms that appeared in 1977, revealed a new direction in the design of small arms — automata according to the bullpup scheme, in which the magazine and the gate unit are located behind the fire control handle and the trigger. This gave the rifle lightness and compactness, and also increased the accuracy of fire. Other interesting features of the Steyr AUG include: a set of quick-detachable barrels of various lengths (a dozen seconds are needed for replacement), a built-in optical sight of low magnification, the absence of a translator of fire modes (the choice of modes is carried out by pressing the trigger), the adaptation of the weapon for the first time for right and left-handers.

But, despite its outstanding technical characteristics and excellent Austrian quality, Steyr was not widely spread in the world - besides the Austrian army, it is manufactured under license in Australia, used in some Arab countries and in the US Coast Guard. The unusual appearance of the machine scared away most potential customers.


By the way, the experts made a mistake - the first automatic rifle built according to the “bullpup” scheme was the Korovin machine gun created in 1945. Unfortunately, the unfinished construction and the overall low technical level of execution did not allow him to pass the tests successfully.

6 seat - Hitler's favorite rifle
Longitudinal Sliding Rifle Mauser K98k
Caliber: 7,92 mm.
Muzzle velocity: 860 m / s.
Rate of Fire: 10-15 fps / min
Store capacity: 5 cartridges

Adopted by the Reichsheer in 1898, the Mauser K98 rifle absorbed the most promising achievements of the then weapon science. Among them: smokeless powder, clips with cartridges that can simply be inserted into the store, and, finally, the longitudinal-sliding rotary bolt - fast and simple, still used in most hunting rifles.

It is no wonder that the rifle appealed to the young corporal A. Hitler. In 1935, a shortened version of the “Mauser K98” was adopted by the Wehrmacht army, receiving the nickname “Mauser K98k”.

In 1943, during the preparation of the assassination attempt on Hitler (planned to parachute two elite snipers in the area of ​​Hitler’s alpine residence), British intelligence asked the question: which rifle to use in the operation. The answer was clear: only the Mauser M98k due to its high accuracy. Gradually, the situation changed, along with it changed plans to eliminate the mustache Fuhrer. In 1944, the British canceled the operation altogether: Hitler did Germany more harm than good with its stupid orders.

9 May 1945 years story The Third Reich ended, and the story of the "Mauser KHNUMXk" continued. The kosher rifle became the main small arms of the Israel Defense Forces (although Americans are cunning - in the early years of the IDF’s existence, its small arms were a hodgepodge from all over the world, and the Mauser was far from the main one, but not the last).

5 Place - The Right Hand of the Free World
Automatic rifle FN FAL
Caliber: 7,62 mm
Muzzle velocity: 820 m / s.
Rate of Fire: 650-700 fps / min
Store capacity: 20 cartridges

The FN FAL assault rifle has become a symbol of the struggle of Western civilization for the ideals of freedom and democracy - weapons have been supplied to 70 countries of the world, in the USA it is still being manufactured. The “Big Belgian barrel” was originally calculated on shorter ammunition, but due to the standardization of weapons inside the NATO block, it was remade to fit the powerful American cartridge 7,62 x 51 mm. Despite the excessive power, the engineers of the Factories Nacional managed to achieve a more or less acceptable accuracy of automatic fire. The result was a heavy classic rifle with tremendous destructive power, reliable and easy to operate.



FN FAL was the main small arms of the Israel Defense Forces during the Six Day War and was used in the jungles of Vietnam by units of the Canadian and Australian armies, where it showed itself from a better side than the American M16. Funny embarrassment happened during the Falklands conflict - British marines and Argentine soldiers shot at each other from the FN FAL.

4 place - Weapons of the victors in the Second World War
Semi-automatic rifle M1 "Garand"
Caliber: 7,62 mm
Muzzle velocity: 860 m / s
Rate of fire: up to 30 shots per minute.
Clip Capacity: 8 Cartridges


A true legend, a symbol of that great generation of Americans. The soldier, armed with the M1, felt in his hands a real power - the semi-automatic eight-charge rifle was the world's best infantry weapon at that time.
The M1 "Garand", named after the Canadian engineer John Garand, entered service in 1936 year and remained the main rifle of the US Army until 1957 year.

The poster of the Second World War - on the flag of the USA 48 stars (there are no Alaska and Hawaii)


When millions of American soldiers went to fight on foreign shores, a funny drawback suddenly appeared on the M1 rifle: to increase the rate of fire, John Garand used an automatic ejection of an empty pack in his weapon - after the eighth shot sounded, the clip with a clang instantly flew out of the rifle shutter mechanism. A very convenient function in peacetime, but the enemy soldiers quickly realized that a specific sound meant that the American GiAi was unarmed. But not everything is so simple - perhaps the sly Marine snapped a spare clip on the bolt and threw the pack on the ground, waiting for the deceived Japanese to lift their heads out of hiding.

Speaking seriously, the M1 "Garand" has shown itself in the best way in a variety of climatic conditions - in the jungles of tropical islands, the sands of the Sahara or snow drifts of the Ardennes. There were no complaints about the reliability of the rifle. The Garand was simple, powerful and had excellent shooting accuracy. Soldiers armed with the M1 fought on all fronts of the Second World War, the rifle was used in Korea and, despite the official transfer to the reserve, often flashed in the jungles of Vietnam.

3 place - In the service of the Empire
Longitudinal Sliding Rifle Lee-Enfield SMLE
Caliber: .303 British (mm 7,7)
Muzzle velocity: 740 m / s
Rate of Fire: 20-30 fps / min
Store capacity: 10 cartridges


Afghan Mojahed with Lee-Enfield SMLE, Kunar Province, 1985 Year

For non-automatic rifles, the Lee-Enfield SMLE had a terrifying rate of fire, thanks to the successful design of the bolt and the high-capacity magazine that could fit 10 cartridges (according to this indicator, Lee-Enfield SMLE was in the lead throughout the first half of the 20th century). A trained shooter could fire a shot from the 30 to it in a minute, turning a sieve into a 200 distance in the sieve. The Crazy Minute was one of the most spectacular performances during the British Army show.

Lee-Enfield SMLE fire density is comparable to that of modern semi-automatic rifles and carbines. Not surprisingly, these weapons passed two world wars and were used throughout the world for a long time, defending the interests of the British Empire. Between 1907 and 1975, 17 was released for millions of these slaughter rifles.

2 place - Black rifle
Automatic assault rifle M16
Caliber: 5,56 mm
Muzzle velocity: 1020 m / s.
Rate of Fire: 700-950 fps / min
Magazine capacity: 20 or 30 cartridges

In 2003, alarming information began to come from the territory of occupied Iraq - too many Iraqi soldiers were killed by a head-shot. The results of numerous atrocities with the prisoners are evident. But why are the bodies of the dead lying everywhere, did not the experienced punitives even bother to clean up evidence in the face of numerous international observers? Iraqi soldiers shot their heads where they took their last fight, leaning out of the hatches tanks and windows of houses, in trenches and on barricades. Often in equipment and with weapons in hand.

The Coalition Forces Command explained this paradox to the excellent accuracy of the M-16 rifles and the excellent training of American snipers. Thousands of people around the world stopped breathing thanks to the M16.

Comics for American soldiers: how to properly clean and disassemble the M16, 60-s. Flavored with taste
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For 50 for years, the M16 is an indispensable attribute of the American soldier. Despite the lower receiver energy, the power of the 5,56 x 45 mm low-impulse cartridge was quite enough to stop a person, often when it hit the body, the bullet began to inconceivably tumble, further increasing the wound canal. At the same time, recoil was reduced and shooting accuracy increased. The design of the automatic rifle is made of plastic and doped aluminum, so that the M16 had a minimum weight - just 2,88 kg without a magazine.

“Black Rifle” is a nickname given to the M16 by American soldiers in Vietnam, but, despite its stylish appearance, there were many problems with the new weapon. The mechanism of the machine did not tolerate the ingress of dirt and sand. The problem was solved by sealing the rifle, for example, the window for ejection of the sleeves is closed with a spring-loaded shutter. In a word, you need to try to get dirt inside the M16.

Americans recognize that the M16 has excellent accuracy, but this “toy” also requires careful attention from its owner. The American assault rifle is not suitable for the partisan detachment, it was created for a professional army in which to clean and lubricate weapons is the daily duty of every soldier. In exchange, the M16 gives you the opportunity to shoot the enemy in the head with 500.

1 place - Thirty rock and roll charges. Weapon bad guys.

Automatic assault rifle AK-47
Caliber: 7,62 mm
Muzzle velocity: 710 m / s.
Rate of Fire: 600 fps / min
Store capacity: 30 cartridges

The universal killing machine, the most deadly weapon ever created by man - according to statistics, the number of people killed from the Kalashnikov assault rifle, many times greater than the number of victims of atomic bombings or killed in any other way. 1 / 5 of all world stocks of small arms make up Kalashnikovs. Countless clones and modifications, 60 years of military service in all the hot corners of the planet. By the number of armies that adopted this weapon, Kalashnikov can only compete with FN FAL. AK-47 is present on the national flag of Mozambique.

How did the Russians manage to achieve such an impressive result? American experts are smiling and shrugging their shoulders - this is probably the only time that America has lost the Soviet Union to smithereens. The reasons for the frantic popularity of "Kalash" - low cost, ease of maintenance, reliability, reliability, and once again RELIABILITY.


Osama Bin Laden and his Kalashnikov


Covered with rust and dirt, buried in the sand or thrown to the ground with all its might — the Kalashnikov automatic rifle continues to fire in any conditions. Everything that is necessary for its service - a finger and a rag. It is no coincidence that experts compared the shooting of "Kalash" with the game of rock-and-roll: the same drive, the same crazy rubilovo without stopping. True, the experts found a “flaw” in the legendary machine gun - not a very attractive design (but for some reason the ugly appearance of the Kalashnikov machine gun did not affect its worldwide commercial success). Due to its simplicity and effectiveness in any conditions, Kalash has become a loyal companion of bandits, partisans and terrorists all over the world. "Kalash" was struggling to promote in the USA - Hollywood specially worked on creating its negative image: unequivocally, "Kalash" is the weapon of the bad guys.


The same rating. AK-47 again in the first place:


Note: many phrases and statements in this text may seem strange to you. The author just translated the most funny opus experts Military Channel.
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  1. +6
    28 August 2012 09: 33
    Where is 81/30?
    What is the UG guarantor and M-14 doing here
    1. minister
      +9
      28 August 2012 10: 47
      soon in their broadcast and saiga will take first place
      1. +18
        28 August 2012 11: 29
        neighing in places)))) if you take into account m4 (m16) compared to at least the H&K g36, well, nothing at all ... and m14 is the authors' failure ...

        True, experts found a “flaw” in the legendary assault rifle - not a very attractive design (but the ugly appearance of the Kalashnikov assault rifle for some reason did not completely affect its worldwide commercial success)


        Well, this is without comment))))
        1. +4
          28 August 2012 11: 53
          Somehow I happened to participate in .... well, say a duel ... through the reed wall of the hut ... the opponent’s fourteenth ... well guess three times who won ... pluses ...
          1. Gym teacher
            +2
            28 August 2012 13: 13
            Quote: ward
            Somehow I happened to participate in .... well, let's say a duel ... through the reed wall of the hut ... the opponent’s fourteenth ... well, guess who won three times ...


            Did you play on the computer or on the Dandy console?
            Had to participate laughing dreamer
        2. +8
          28 August 2012 13: 10
          Where is the G-36?
          1. +1
            29 August 2012 00: 28
            Yes, is it strange that there is no German? except for the stormtrooper. and SCS seem to have forgotten
        3. Igorboss16
          +2
          29 August 2012 22: 01
          Well what can I say, the capitalists are all
    2. +5
      28 August 2012 19: 54
      Ak-47 is the best invention of the 20th century (officially). Kalash even surpassed the flight into space, the discovery of the atom, etc., etc.
      1. +3
        29 August 2012 08: 08
        I also heard something similar. There was some kind of rating, such as the three best things (discoveries) of the 20th century, these were penicillin, a nuclear bomb and a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
        1. 0
          30 August 2012 09: 22
          Wiruz Yesterday, 08:08
          I also heard something similar. There was some kind of rating, such as the three best things (discoveries) of the 20th century, these were penicillin, a nuclear bomb and a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
          Penicillin - yes, but instead of a nuclear bomb and Kalash, which have no function other than killing people, the best inventions of the twentieth century I propose to consider a space satellite and a washing machine fellow
    3. +4
      28 August 2012 21: 58
      Well, about the M1 "Garand" you didn’t get a little excited ... The rifle is really not bad, it’s being done for it by TUN - it is at the level of our SCS. (for sharpshoterov).
      By the way, about the M-14, they (the Americans) have such a strategy - a soldier should release no more than two stores, the rest should be completed (or done) by aviation and artillery and tanks with helicopters ...
      So do not call UG-ohm weapons, not knowing the tactics of using it ... IMHO
      1. +3
        29 August 2012 00: 32
        Quote: PSih2097
        By the way, about the M-14, they (the Americans) have such a strategy - a soldier should release no more than two stores, the rest should be completed (or done) by aviation and artillery and tanks with helicopters ...


        The opposite is true there. First, "aviation and artillery and tanks with helicopters", and then a soldier)
  2. Diesel
    +20
    28 August 2012 09: 36
    As always, an inadequate rating ....

    And the last phrase generally killed on the spot


    How did the Russians manage to achieve such an impressive result? American experts smile and shrug - this is probably the only time that America has lost the Soviet Union to smithereens

    1. +6
      28 August 2012 13: 18
      This is probably the only time that America has lost the Soviet Union to smithereens.

      In the morning, people are able to cheer up good
    2. predator
      +10
      28 August 2012 15: 53
      Many thanks to Mikhail Timofeevich for AK!
      1. 0
        29 August 2012 00: 38
        I agree. Not a weapon kills.
    3. +5
      29 August 2012 00: 37
      Quote: Diesel
      And the last phrase generally killed on the spot


      And the phrase killed me on the spot:

      "The deadliest weapon ever created by man - according to statistics, the number of people killed from a Kalashnikov assault rifle is many times greater than the number of victims of atomic bombings"

      We must somehow make excuses. Not well, we bombed, but Kalash put more.

      Hypocrisy and bigotry are just annoying.
      1. orfo
        0
        3 September 2012 19: 08
        Yeah, for so many years it came running ...
    4. 0
      17 November 2013 15: 56
      They forgot about our nuclear icebreakers - no one but us has them.
  3. +11
    28 August 2012 09: 48
    Well, some kind of not very rating to be honest. I would like to see Mosinka smile
    1. Hon
      +11
      28 August 2012 10: 37
      Amers simply have little experience communicating with the mosquito, in fact this is the rating of the best rifles that amers had to deal with.
      1. loc.bejenari
        -3
        28 August 2012 20: 08
        they have experience - part of the interventionists in the north at 19 were armed with Mosinki issued in the USA by royal order
        but to be honest, it's shaky compared to K98
        therefore, it should not be included in any rating
        1. +1
          29 August 2012 00: 40
          What is bad 3-ruler? there were carbines
    2. +3
      28 August 2012 10: 47
      Mosin, a weapon of the 19th century, despite the fact that it is still used. It depends on what principles to include in the rating.
    3. black_eagle
      +7
      28 August 2012 11: 06
      What Mosinka?))))) They have M1 weapons of some kind of winners !!!))))) What winners? To be honest to the end, where is G3 ??? for the rifle that stood in service for 3 years from the force they have the same legend, it is essno M14 !!!
      1. 0
        28 August 2012 19: 40
        According to Discovery, it’s better to pass by, not an objective assessment, Americans only praise their own. Let’s better take pictures of nature, don’t climb into weapons, they don’t understand it!
        1. 0
          29 August 2012 00: 45
          They understand weapons, just the "stars and stripes" flag does not contribute to their objectivity. sks they respect very much.
      2. s1н7т
        0
        29 August 2012 12: 32
        Yes, G-3 and L1A1 yet.
        1. banz
          +3
          29 August 2012 15: 23
          If I am not mistaken, L1A1 is the same FN FAL, but it is in the rating.
    4. 0
      17 November 2013 15: 58
      Indeed, the weapons of REAL winners in the Second World War simply have to be
  4. GG2012
    +4
    28 August 2012 09: 51
    Kalashnikov ... he is also in Africa Kalashnikov!
    1. +2
      28 August 2012 18: 04
      They say that in some African countries the local revolutionary militants gave their sons the name "Kalash".
  5. +3
    28 August 2012 10: 08
    I agree the rating itself is wrong!
    I am glad that Kalashnikov won! But many weapons are in doubt!
    1. 0
      28 August 2012 18: 40
      yeah in the ranking of rifles won the machine
      1. Diesel
        0
        29 August 2012 12: 56
        Quote: tots
        automatic


        We have this machine gun, they have this assault rifle
        1. 0
          17 November 2013 15: 59
          True, only the names are different, but the essence is the same.
  6. +1
    28 August 2012 10: 22
    Rating to say the least was impressive. No wonder AK recognition. Strange is the lack of SVT-40 and SVD, as well as the latest large-caliber developments for the caliber 12.7 / 14.5 / 20 mm.
    1. +3
      28 August 2012 10: 50
      SVD is not an assault rifle. The rest is not surprising, the pro-American rating, even putting Kalash in the first place, did not miss the opportunity to make a couple of sharp remarks about him. And the fact that the Amer’s fighters in Afghanistan and Iraq are massively rearming on Kalash in exchange for their M14 and M16, they omitted smile
      1. 0
        28 August 2012 14: 34
        And the fact that the Amer’s fighters in Afghanistan and Iraq are massively rearming on Kalash in exchange for their M14 and M16, they omitted
        Rukalitzo.zhpg
    2. 0
      29 August 2012 00: 47
      It's all in the wrong rating except SVT
  7. pribolt
    +2
    28 August 2012 10: 31
    You can’t argue with Kalashnikov, and I would probably put FN FAL in second place. There are many more new good models of assault rifles that are just starting their way as Heckler Koch
    1. DYMITRY
      +3
      28 August 2012 11: 41
      By the way, we could mention for fairness that the FN FAL is a finalized ABC-36. But apparently 2 Russian samples are already too much for the layman. So you look at the American weapons genius cease to believe.
      1. Demon_Ex
        +6
        28 August 2012 13: 08
        Not ABC-36, but SVT-40. The shutter and gas vent are one to one!
        1. DYMITRY
          0
          29 August 2012 07: 29
          It was ABC-36, and the entire line was copied. Self-loading rifle, sniper, light machine gun. This is the uniqueness of the ABC, that for the first time in the world a single line of small arms was created with great unification. Although it is possible that something is taken from the CBT.
          1. Demon_Ex
            0
            29 August 2012 09: 11
            Did you disassemble ABC? Most likely not, but I took it apart. There the shutter is locked with a wedge! And on the CBT and FN, the shutter is locked by skew. At least in the internet would have looked! Find photos of their mechanisms!
            1. DYMITRY
              0
              29 August 2012 12: 53
              In 1941, a huge number of ABCs fell into Germany as trophies, some of which were transferred to the Belgian gunsmiths for study, and served as prototypes for creating the FN FAL. Quite possibly, the bolt group was taken from SVT, I don’t argue with that, but the main lineup is ABC. By the way, the Belgians themselves mentioned it in some of the articles devoted to FN FAL.
  8. +2
    28 August 2012 10: 34
    In my opinion, the rating is not true ........ the American channel promotes and advertises American weapons ..... as usual (((
    1. 0
      29 August 2012 00: 52
      When did the channel ratings correspond to reality? )

      Quote: JonnyT
      the American channel promotes and advertises American weapons ..... as usual


      In Amers, it’s probably in the blood. Well, a little grease the British)
  9. +4
    28 August 2012 10: 35
    For the order of seats behind the "Kalashnikov" you can debate as much as you like ... depending on personal preferences. But the leadership of our "car" is indisputable not only for us, but also for our "friends". Personally, I was quite satisfied with this rating. :about)))
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  10. 0
    28 August 2012 10: 49
    Does anyone know how a carbine differs from a rifle)))
    1. black_eagle
      +2
      28 August 2012 11: 11
      a rifle for cavalry was intended, and featured a shorter barrel in relation to the basic version of the rifle
      1. 0
        29 August 2012 00: 55
        If memory serves, the Dragoon barrel is shorter than the carbine
    2. +2
      28 August 2012 14: 03
      Everywhere they categorize them differently, but by common signs shortened versions of rifles are called with a rifle with a steeper step of cutting the barrel (it is necessary to compensate for the slower speed of the bullet with greater gyroscopic stability due to rotation).
      1. Yemelya
        +1
        28 August 2012 20: 47
        Not only rifles - carbines appeared in the era of smooth-bore muzzle-loading and made it possible to load without getting off a horse, some still had a barrel at the end, like Barmaley's pistols, to charge when shaking in the saddle it was possible.
  11. +2
    28 August 2012 10: 49
    Lovers of loud and pathos epithets.
    this is the only case when America lost the Soviet Union to smithereens.

    It is necessary to somehow justify your proser in Vietnam.
  12. cvx
    cvx
    +1
    28 August 2012 10: 49
    In the photo, not 47, but the hundredth series in my opinion, but the fact that AK takes its place is undeniable.
    1. 0
      28 August 2012 18: 00
      Stopudovo is not the 47th there. The store is not the same.
      1. s1н7т
        0
        29 August 2012 12: 46
        laughing There he is all wrong!
    2. Cosmonaut
      +2
      30 August 2012 09: 29
      AK-47 does not exist. There is AK.
  13. andrey903
    +2
    28 August 2012 10: 51
    American and English non-automatic rifles this is the same Mauser
    1. loc.bejenari
      0
      28 August 2012 20: 10
      Yes, they are all based on it and Springfield just bought a license
  14. maxiv1979
    +7
    28 August 2012 10: 53
    In exchange, the M16 makes it possible to shoot an enemy in the head from 500 m.

    )) cool bike, to an ordinary soldier, God forbid, from 500m get into the chest of a moving person from a sniper rifle, and they’re in the head
  15. borisst64
    +14
    28 August 2012 10: 59
    4 place - Weapons of the victors in the Second World War
    Semi-automatic rifle M1 "Garand"

    Shameless creatures !!! They are winners !!!
    1. Focuser
      0
      28 August 2012 11: 28
      And I didn’t notice!)
      That's how they work)) I quickly leafed through all the western samples and read only the description of Russian weapons + first place. (fortunately, they coincided) It is also likely that the Americans listen / read only the description of their weapons, as well as who won the first place. And of course they will notice this phrase)) Having found in it confirmation of what they say they are taught at school.
      The devil is in the details.
    2. Nubia2
      -2
      28 August 2012 18: 32
      Is not it so?
      And the USSR and the USA and Great Britain ..
      even France and Poland are victorious countries.
      I see no reason to piss boiling water over this.
      1. +2
        28 August 2012 23: 05
        Quote: Nubia2
        And the USSR and the USA and Great Britain ..
        even France and Poland are victorious countries.

        USSR is a country of victory. The rest of the country are hangers-on! If the USSR had not broken the ridge of Nazi fascism, where there would have been the same Frenchmen that the Wehrmacht had won in two days in the front rank and Poland, which had no resistance at all.
        1. Nubia2
          -7
          29 August 2012 13: 14
          I look at the map.
          I see the USA, Germany, Great Britain, France, I will sell Poland with Belgium ..))
          I do not see the USSR.
        2. Nubia2
          0
          30 August 2012 06: 01
          Quote: lewerlin53rus
          the French, whom the Wehrmacht conquered in two weeks in parade, and Poland, which showed no resistance at all.

          History, I look, you did not teach at all))
  16. +4
    28 August 2012 11: 02
    4 place - Weapons of the victors in the Second World War
    Semi-automatic rifle M1 "Garand"

    It always seemed to me that the weapon of the winners was the Mosin rifle mod. 1891/30, and everything else is from the evil one ... I am glad that the AK-47 comes first, although the photo shows AK-74. In general, in their style of discovery, they do not suffer from objectivity.
    1. +2
      28 August 2012 11: 25
      While stuffing his post and fought with the Internet, he was late, ahead of him, but he is glad that people of the same opinion as me wink
      There is no doubt that the rating is controversial. Although the weapons presented in it are well deserved, some assumption can be made regarding the technical side of the rating. But here is a statement:
      4 place - Weapons of the victors in the Second World War

      Not that controversial, it is provocative. The weapons of the winners in World War II are the Mosin rifle and PPSh and PPS submachine guns (although they are not suitable for rating like submachine guns)
  17. Zmitcer
    +7
    28 August 2012 11: 11
    the rating is compiled stupidly for Americans stupidly chewing popcorn in front of telly. even too lazy to comment on this "rating". It is also strange that from 2nd to 10th place there was a place for non-American-made weapons, although the same Sprinfield, slightly altered by Mauser. So it was possible to call Kalash American, replicas are produced there.
  18. +1
    28 August 2012 11: 28
    Weapons of bad guys.

    And it always seemed to me that the weapons of the bad guys are the Uzi and Ingrem submachine guns. wassat
    1. 0
      28 August 2012 12: 54
      Submachine guns
      1. 0
        28 August 2012 23: 00
        Quote: scrabler
        Submachine guns

        Actually, I’m in the know. soldier PPSh and PPS are also submachine guns. It’s just philistine that all automatic hand weapons are called automatic weapons. winked )
  19. 0
    28 August 2012 11: 48
    Tell me, who knows in this connection they still abandoned the 7,62 caliber and switched to 5,56 NATO and 5,45 ours? After all, it seems like 7,62 has more lethal power or isn’t it? I heard a version that they went down the caliber during the Vietnam War, when soldiers began to complain that the 7,62 bullet when it hit a person caused less damage (it simply pierced or left a neat hole). Then the designers proposed to lighten the bullet so that when it hit an obstacle it would not just enter, but deviate from the trajectory, causing more damage. We experimented, saw that a smaller caliber bullet actually causes more severe injuries and took it into service. But at the expense of breakdown power and accuracy. So or not?
    1. +5
      28 August 2012 12: 49
      It was the result of good wishes to reduce returns - to increase accuracy due to low-pulse cartridge. Yes, and increase ammunition.
      However, not everything turned out to be so simple:

      A BRIEF REVIEW OF TYPICAL FIREWORKS ABOUT THE FIRE ARMS

      http://www.cneat.ru/bullet-2.html
  20. Indigo
    +3
    28 August 2012 11: 50
    Due to its simplicity and effectiveness in any conditions, Kalash has become faithful companion to bandits, partisans and terrorists around the world
    - and here is a tar barrel in a spoon of honey ...
    1. 0
      28 August 2012 23: 03
      Quote: Indigo
      Due to its simplicity and effectiveness in any environment, Kalash has become a faithful companion of bandits, partisans and terrorists around the world.
      - and here is a tar barrel in a spoon of honey ...

      It’s just that these citizens need a simple, reliable and effective weapon, and not what the military industrial lobby imposes on the Amer military
    2. 0
      17 November 2013 16: 10
      But still it’s good that even the scum of society understands that AK is the best of the machines.
  21. 0
    28 August 2012 11: 51
    If you look at the Discovery Rating, it is only out of curiosity, there is no objectivity there (tanks, planes, something else), looked and forgot. As mentioned above - an advertisement for American products. I have in my hands the photograph of AK-74, dear, how much I hired him, how much I ran, but he was still good, never failed, although he was already old, he always shot perfectly.
  22. +1
    28 August 2012 11: 55
    And the rating is actually crooked. Although the Americans could not help but recognize the "merits" of the AK-47, which drank a lot of their blood. By the way, in one of the overseas programs they showed a real case that happened in Los Angeles in the late 1990s. There, two bank robbers armed with AK-47s kept the police of this metropolis at bay for 3 hours! The cops were simply afraid to lean out of hiding when they learned that the bandits were armed with AK-47s. Those morons could easily leave the city, but they got into trouble. As a result, they were stopped only by a specially summoned special forces detachment.
    1. loc.bejenari
      0
      28 August 2012 20: 13
      it’s not because of fear of AK but because some idiot from the police leadership didn’t arm his subordinates with anything more powerful than a shotgun
      video available shot from a helicopter
      there’s just a circus - bandits in heavy bulletproof vests and police suckers are trying to get into them like cockroaches on slots or with pistols from 100 meters
  23. SlavakharitonoV
    0
    28 August 2012 12: 02
    Traditionally, a dry comparison from discovery, where the hell of American little-known samples, but AK-47 in the first place, but he is the only one from Russia.
  24. tekinoral
    +2
    28 August 2012 12: 23
    G 3 is also not bad, but not in the rating
  25. EJIEKTPOBO3
    +2
    28 August 2012 12: 28
    Pandoks with their M16 ended up in their fatty asshole, along with soy burgers
  26. +2
    28 August 2012 12: 31
    As always, the miracle - "Discovery" mixed God's gift with scrambled eggs ... Minus, minus and again minus. These ratings do not deserve more ... IMHO
    1. +1
      28 August 2012 13: 08
      It is a pity that it was impossible to solder all these three minuses to this pseudo-rating ... negative negative negative Oh, what a pity !!!
  27. +4
    28 August 2012 12: 48
    Despite the fraud, Hitler independently came up with a sonorous name for the new “wunderwaffe” - Sturmgewehr 44 (“Hurricane Rifle”).

    Well, firstly, the fact that Hitler himself came up with the name is only a legend, and secondly, the Sturmgewehr translates a rather banal assault rifle, but not a hurricane.
    1. 0
      17 November 2013 16: 15
      And you should remember that Sturmgever is not the first assault rifle. The first assault rifle was made by Fedorov on the eve of the First World War
  28. -7
    28 August 2012 13: 35
    A very strange sociological observation: most local residents mortally hate the United States, and are quite loyal to Germany.

    The Russian people seem to have forgotten who their real enemy was, and not a phantom invented by the USSR leadership to intimidate the population. Who really burned Russian villages? Who starved millions of Russians in concentration camps? Who shouted "Chickens, milk, eggs", raped, bombed and shot?
    The memory of a Russian is short.

    All the hatred of the patriots is directed in only one direction - Pendostan, although they have never in their life seen a single American live, not to mention a trip to the United States. At the same time, the mention of Germany does not cause any hatred. on the contrary, the Germans are even good fellows, good equipment, good-looking rifles G3 and G36, good soldiers, and in general, even somehow fraternally.
    Who brought you more grief - Germans or Americans sitting on the other side of the Earth? The memory of a Russian person.
    1. +5
      28 August 2012 14: 12
      Probably because they still hate the state in the person of the ruling elite, and not the people themselves. What the Germans did during the war with a Russian is associated with fascism, and not with the people as such. So with respect to the United States, in fact, most of our citizens treat Americans loyally as ordinary people, but the state has a completely different attitude.
      1. 0
        28 August 2012 15: 46
        Quote: Prometey
        What the Germans did during the war with a Russian is associated with fascism, and not with the people as such.

        It is not true. In Russia, a German is a synonym for fascist, in every family there is a dead grandfather or great-grandfather - the war with Germany is forever in the people's memory
        Quote: Prometey
        most of our citizens treat Americans loyally as philistines, but the state has a completely different attitude.

        Also not true - it is enough to read the comments here: the main topics are gays and "thick stupid pendants"

        It is doubly strange where the Russian hatred of the US leadership comes from. At the same time (despite millions of killed compatriots !!!), the Germans are more loyal. Although at the direction of the German leadership and with the universal approval of the German nation, the genocide of the Russian people was organized ("Slavic question", the village of Khatyn, a million died of starvation in Leningrad). And all the same: the local inhabitants treat the Germans an order of magnitude better than the Americans.
        1. +2
          28 August 2012 17: 58
          SWEET_SIXTEEN,
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          It is not true. In Russia, a German is a synonym for fascist, in every family there is a dead grandfather or great-grandfather - the war with Germany is forever in the people's memory

          That is, you call to hate all Germans. My great-grandfather fought, and after the war in the Urals he lived side by side with the Germans, with whom he maintained normal neighborly relations. Personally, my opinion is that Germans and fascism are not synonymous. The Germans have in fact already repented for their crimes. Let's remember the Soviet blockbusters "Seventeen Moments of Spring", "Shield and Sword" - there is a clearly divided German fascism and the German people.
          In general, hatred is the lot of slaves, not free people.
          1. 0
            28 August 2012 19: 01
            Quote: Prometey
            That is, you call to hate all Germans.

            I am not calling for anything. This is your ridiculous logic
            Quote: Prometey
            Personally, my opinion - the Germans and fascism - is not a synonym

            This is your personal opinion. Everyone remembers that war. And the German soldiers (namely - German) will still be remembered for a long time.
            Quote: Prometey
            The Germans actually already repented of their crimes.

            And what should they repent of. They mowed half of Russia and all things. Apologies will not help here.

            Voporos is a friend: neither Germany nor the United States have ever been Russia's warm friends. But if the United States was limited to espionage scandals and mutual reproaches, then Germany confirmed its words with deeds - the Germans mowed out 40% of the territory of the USSR and killed 15 million Russians who fell into occupation.
            Nevertheless, with regard to the USA, all the local inhabitants come out with fierce spite, and Germany is held in high esteem by honest soldiers (2 killed more than Russian women than Russian soldiers at the front), good rifles. By the way, Germany has been the most important member of NATO since its inception.
            In my opinion, Russians have more reasons not to love Germany than the United States. is not it?

            Quote: Prometey
            In general, hatred is the lot of slaves, not free people

            Most website visitors hate the USA fiercely - it's useless to challenge it. So, you hint, are most site visitors slaves?
            So put the stamps more carefully.
            1. +4
              28 August 2012 19: 08
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              fiercely hated by the USA

              The Germans were long ago, and we defeated them.
              And the Americans were like allies (for which, by the way, thanks to them, especially for antibiotics)
              but they did everything so that the USSR would shed more blood.


              And then they inflicted moral trauma on me as a child.
              Once upon a time - I decided to go to the video library for the first time, remember those?
              I handed over the bottles, and squeezing the ruble went on an action movie - yusyam was not lucky - it was Rambo 3)))))) so that they don’t rain my love.
              1. Eraser
                +1
                28 August 2012 20: 39
                "Rimbaud 3" Oh yes, it seems that the script was written in the propaganda department. laughing Fortunately, the first action movie I watched was Predator, of course, there were also Soviets there, but at least it was not evil.
            2. Karish
              -4
              28 August 2012 19: 11
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              In my opinion, Russians have more reasons not to love Germany than the United States. is not it?

              Wonderful words and very accurately noticed.
              Many here are ready to kiss the legs of the Germans, cool soldiers, a wonderful army, German military thought, etc. . although the first and second world ones - they were our enemies. While still a young student I was in practice in the village of Syasstroy, Len.obl. There, the Germans and the British established lines on the cellulose line (in different workshops 0 So every Saturday the Britons got drunk and went to fight with the Germans. They said - We can’t forget they bombed us. Near the German hostel the cops constantly grazed.
              And in Russia, it seems, they forgot who bombed whom and who helped.
              For me they will forever remain fascists, children of fascists, grandchildren of fascists.
              1. +1
                29 August 2012 02: 05
                Quote: Karish
                So every Saturday the Britons got drunk and went to fight with the Germans. They said - We can’t forget they bombed us


                Do not believe it. Most Russians when they get drunk are ready to go fight with the Russians. And the Britons are probably the most dodgy and deceitful nation in the world. IMHO
            3. 0
              29 August 2012 01: 58
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              And what should they repent of. They mowed half of Russia and all things. Apologies will not help here.


              Complete nonsense. Let's remember the Angles, French, Poles, Mongolo-Tatars. A Mlyn Teutons ,. There is a long list.

              Germany realized that it was more expensive to get involved in conflicts. Therefore, and reluctantly sends troops to NATO adventures. UWB is easy and everywhere.
        2. Sober
          +2
          28 August 2012 19: 13
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          It is not true. In Russia, a German is a synonym for fascist, in every family there is a dead grandfather or great-grandfather - the war with Germany is forever in the people's memory


          yes, who does this German associate with the Nazis ??? !!! if we talk specifically about the Second World War, then the word German means a fascist, and if we just talk about the Germans, then nothing of the kind! and no one even remembers the Second World War and the Nazis and all that dirt!


          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Also not true - it is enough to read the comments here: the main topics are gays and "thick stupid pendants"

          true true! here I personally am and the Americans are normal, but to the aggressive policy of this country, that is. to their power negatively! and so the majority thinks! Americans are ordinary people, but their authorities are ******* and ***** and ***, and the fact that they are fat, it happens, because it is, and they have dofig gays .. it's so it is, not invented)))


          why to the american government like that? because right now it’s real, it’s not the past, but the Nazis’s past! America will disappear, it will be forgotten and rarely remembered, just like fascist Germany! but for now it’s real and near. the future, and therefore the attitude is! everything is simple!
        3. +1
          29 August 2012 01: 45
          Maybe because the Germans, whose enemy is visible, are trying to kill you, you are trying to kill. And with UWB everything is different. "We are good, something is wrong with you."
          The Germans (Fritz, Hans) You, too, probably played a war in childhood). Hyundai hoh. They are more straightforward. And the hypocrisy annoys me (Very much) IMHO
        4. DYMITRY
          +3
          29 August 2012 07: 41
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          It is doubly strange where the Russian hatred of the US leadership comes from.

          Maybe because not everyone else has been brainwashed by liberalists? And many people know who nurtured Hitler and fascism. WHO armed him, and set him against the Soviet Union. Didn’t come to mind? And in this regard, the Germans are the same victims of the Anglo-Saxons as we are. In addition, the mentality of the Russian people does not hate the vanquished. But to cowardly, greedy, vile and unprincipled spiders, hatred lies at the genetic level.
        5. 0
          17 November 2013 16: 17
          The Germans at least honestly fought face to face, and not vilely quieted overseas
      2. +1
        28 August 2012 16: 23
        and the Germans answered for everything already, and repented
    2. Zmitcer
      0
      28 August 2012 14: 43
      oh, God sees I didn’t want to touch this topic. feel and in vain you raised it, because it absolutely does not apply to this article. The fact that they are banished here by the Americans is the reason for their real stupidity, coupled with the pretentious smug consciousness that they are Americans and "superiority" over the rest of the people of planet Earth. Do you want to know who has always been the main enemy of the Russian man, Ukrainians and Belarusians? Muscovites! this is a tribe of Finno-Ugric, Mari together with Tatars .. and I warned you. laughing
    3. Zmitcer
      -7
      28 August 2012 14: 56
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Russian people, as if, had forgotten who was their real enemy, and not a phantom invented by the leadership of the USSR
      oh, God knows I didn't want to touch this topic. and in vain you raised it, because it absolutely does not apply to this article. The fact that they are banished here by the Americans is the reason for their real stupidity, coupled with the pretentious smug consciousness that they are Americans and "superiority" over the rest of the people of planet Earth. Do you want to know who has always been the main enemy of the Russian man, Ukrainians and Belarusians? Muscovites! this is a tribe of Finno-Ugric people, Mari mixed with Tatars .. and I warned you. laughing and this is a historical fact.
      1. 0
        29 August 2012 02: 13
        Well about Muscovites is cool.
        Quote: Zmitcer
        Ugro-Finns, Mari mixed with Tatars


        I will not engage in polemics. Maybe someone else is there, But somehow it’s not enough. And in Belarus, as I understand it, all Belarusians from 0000
    4. +4
      28 August 2012 15: 52
      We just fought with the Germans at least in the open ...

      And the Angles and we really persecuted us like the last scum ...

      Such is their rotten policy towards us ...

      And the differences we have with them only on the land issue,
      Who will bury someone in the ground ... wassat
      1. +1
        28 August 2012 16: 09
        Quote: SMUTIAN
        We just fought with the Germans at least in the open ...
        And the Angles and we really persecuted us like the last scum ...

        Not true. 15 million Soviet people died in the zone of German occupation. At the front, during this time, 8,6 millions of our soldiers died - half as much. It seems that the Germans were great lovers of fighting with unarmed people and gasing helpless women and children

        Quote: SMUTIAN
        And the Angles and we really persecuted us like the last scum ...

        Why the Fritzes are better - ask the brutally tortured guys and girls from Molodaya Gvardiya (Krasnodon, 1943).
        1. +1
          29 August 2012 21: 36
          Why the Fritzes are better - ask the brutally tortured guys and girls from Molodaya Gvardiya (Krasnodon, 1943).
          SWEET_SIXTEEN!

          I want to inform you that the Germans were not caught in the steppes, the Germans — Don Cossacks, were tortured and thrown into the pit, tobish — Russians !!! Somehow, I live in these parts and talked with living witnesses of those events.
          This is for you, note.
          P.S. And I hate Amers fiercely - for all their atrocities against Humanity with their CREST! The collapse of the Union is the last straw ... A good American is a dead American. And they invented it themselves, not me ...
          1. 0
            17 November 2013 16: 28
            And no one recalls the atrocities of the Americans against the Indians. The Indians did not want anyone to harm, they only reflected the invasion of their land.
    5. Passing
      +5
      28 August 2012 19: 40
      SWEET_SIXTEEN, with the memory of the Russian people, everything is fine (well, except for brainless skins), and everything is much easier to explain: the Russian people have such a side-by-side property - condescendingly forgive the vanquished and at the same time adopt his best achievements, and vice versa, sincerely hate the next obvious candidate for aggression and short-sightedly contemptuously ignore his strong qualities.
      Just remember the story: the Horde was beaten - and still the Kazakhs and Tatars are our best friends, Napoleon was defeated - lyuboff and imitation in culture, the Nazis were soaked, and the Germans were not despicable enemies, but a landmark in the organizational and technology. Now when we get to Washington, then the Americans will become not cynical and arrogant Pindos, but a sane sensible nation, from which you can and will learn how to make iPhones. wink
      1. Gym teacher
        -2
        28 August 2012 23: 20
        Quote: Passing by
        and at the same time adopt his best achievements

        And they adopted a lot?
        Where is the Russian Mercedes or at least Karl Zeiss?
        Quote: Passing by
        sincerely hate the next clear contender for aggression

        What are you going to fight with the United States? Well, a drum in your hands.
        Quote: Passing by
        and still Kazakhs and Tatars are our best friends

        Do you ask tens of thousands of Russian refugees from Central Asia in the 90s

        I won’t comment on your jokes, condescendingly forgiving you your ridiculous humorock and outright ignorance
        1. Passing
          +1
          29 August 2012 13: 45
          Quote: Fizruk
          And they adopted a lot?

          A lot of. Lots of. Anti-aircraft missiles, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, anti-tank grenade launchers, assault rifles under an intermediate cartridge, under-barrel grenade launchers, submarines grown from type XXI, jet engines, turboprop engines for Tu-95. Moreover, this is not about dumb apostasy, but about adoption at the level of ideas.
          Quote: Fizruk
          Where is the Russian Mercedes or at least Karl Zeiss?

          Everything was in order with optics in the USSR, probably a factory or two was taken out for reparations. A Mercedes is a very expensive car for a limited circle of the rich, then and now. It is unnecessary for the proletariat, but the "people's carriage" Zhuk was more ideologically suited, therefore he was reincarnated in the person of a hunchbacked Zaporozhets. wink
          If you want more significant and undeniable achievements based on German ideas, then please - the first satellite, the first manned space flight, AKM, RPG. IMHO more than enough. And much more significant than any Mercedes there, coupled with Carl Zeiss.
          Quote: Fizruk
          What are you going to fight with the United States? Well, a drum in your hands.

          You have inattentively read my post, read it again - the United States is going to fight (not right now of course), so we, whether you like it or not, will have to take Washington. At the same time, we will return the lost Alaska to the owner. wink
          Quote: Fizruk
          Do you ask tens of thousands of Russian refugees from Central Asia in the 90s

          It takes centuries to "grind", Central Asia and the Caucasus have come under our influence relatively recently.
          Quote: Fizruk
          forgiving forgiving you your ridiculous humorock and frank ignorance

          I do not pretend to laurels of Petrosyan (okay, okay, I dream about that quietly feel), but about ignorance, I return the claim to you. Arguments above.
        2. amikan
          +5
          29 August 2012 14: 44
          Funny provocateurs gathered here!
          They say the Germans are loved, the Americans are not loved.
          Love not love.

          As one member of the forum rightly remarked here - we hate
          rulers, but not people.

          We hate Hitler and his genocidal policies.

          I hate the Anglo-Saxons in the person of the highest dignitaries of England and America.

          Remind you who financed Hitler, Hitler, who became the project of the West for the destruction of the USSR. Or have you forgotten how Germany, a poor and hungry Germany, without a working economy, burdened with monstrous debt, suddenly in a couple of years suddenly overgrown with powerful and modern weapons?
          Or how to explain that the sick machine gunner Adolf achieved major political victories in Germany, becoming the head of the country without any help?
          Or did you forget the photos of America's leading bankers and industrialists awarded the German cross? Google and find Henry Ford smiling happily during the award ceremony. Thousands of them ...

          I hate the sheer hypocrisy of the "allies" in the most difficult years for the Soviet Union, 1941-1943, who speculated as the last traders on human lives ...
          Why should I love them?
          I hate them!

          who danced on the bones of our soldiers, my and your grandfathers and great-grandfathers.

          who call themselves WINNERS!

          kov bombed Yugoslavia, Libya, Vietnam!

          for those who piss on dead people and burn holy books!

          kow yelling about democracy while planting people and killing people without trial!

          who created in their modern democratic country concentration camps like Guantanamo!

          I HATE THEM!
          1. +1
            2 September 2012 17: 15
            SO HOLD THE EARTH fellow
        3. +1
          2 September 2012 16: 54
          Quote: Fizruk
          Do you ask tens of thousands of Russian refugees from Central Asia in the 90s


          And tens of thousands more "refugees" then ran back
          a lady in Central Asia, in the two thousandth.

          Because not the most fled from here
          the best examples of the Russian nationality, and what is not there,
          extremely frightened intolerants (in relation to neighbors).
          They thought now that the Kalmyks of all Russians would even breathe.

          I personally am Russian, I have been living in Kazakhstan since birth, and how was everything
          wonderful and left.

          The main thing is to relate to each other in a human and backward manner. drinks
      2. 0
        29 August 2012 02: 23
        This is either banter or delirium.
    6. 0
      29 August 2012 01: 32
      Yes, I do not hate them, in vain you are. I have a cousin and an uncle there. I'm pissed off by hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of rights. UWB) And so, how is history presented. Regarding the Germans, they can be understood (I HAVE SEEN ONLY THE BEGINNING OF WAR AND MILITARIZATION. The rest is difficult to forgive). After humiliation with the Versailles world.
    7. Border k
      0
      29 August 2012 11: 18
      Aha, since 1918. memories of amerskih lawless people heard
      1. Rider
        -2
        29 August 2012 17: 12
        Quote: Border K
        Aha, since 1918. memories of amerskih lawless people heard


        Are you talking about American humanitarian aid in the 20s, which saved the lives of millions of Soviet citizens?
  29. plump
    0
    28 August 2012 13: 39
    something all piled up. and store and assault and single-shot ... although, they have their own classification there and there is no concept of "automatic".
  30. 0
    28 August 2012 14: 06
    SVD in the ranking is definitely not enough!
  31. Kamilla
    +2
    28 August 2012 14: 58
    Kalash is really a great machine! it is reliable, eternal, high-quality ... it can be compared to a Mercedes ... which is also eternal ... "The best or nothing" - this slogan goes to Kalash good
  32. Suvorov000
    0
    28 August 2012 15: 03
    In the photo, where are the FN FAL shootings of all the shooters in the ears of the gag, is this what? the fighter for turnover should get used to the shots above the ear so that he would not be distracted and shy away in battle
    1. Tyumen
      0
      28 August 2012 16: 20
      Not hunting dogs are trained. At the shooting range, why jam yourself?
  33. +2
    28 August 2012 15: 38
    Already a tear came.

    Yes

    Glory to the Russian Arms !!!

    Such Rock - n - Roll was not performed even in the States !!! bully
  34. +2
    28 August 2012 16: 41
    I put + only because of AK in the first place ......
  35. cobra66
    +1
    28 August 2012 16: 45
    Excuse me, did the Ak-47 go into production?
    As far as I know, the GRAU index went to the series - 56 A 212
    1. black_eagle
      0
      28 August 2012 17: 47
      Well done! True noticed AK-47 was not taken into service! By the way, M-16 is AR-15))))) plus definitely
      1. +1
        28 August 2012 22: 10
        By the way, the M-16 is the AR-15

        AR-15
        AR-15 - American semi-automatic rifle chambered for 5,56 × 45 mm. Issued since 1963, it goes on sale as a civilian self-defense weapon - not to be confused with the M-16, which is an army, it was eventually licked. As they say, the USSR and the USA had different tactics for using infantry weapons.
    2. 0
      28 August 2012 17: 57
      As far as I know, in the US, any Kalashnikov assault rifle is called the AK-47. In fact, yes, no official document contains the name "AK-47".
      1. cobra66
        +2
        28 August 2012 20: 20
        For the United States, any Ak-Ak-47, and the difference between the M-16 and Ar-15 if I'm not mistaken only by the manufacturer Colt and Armalite, respectively
        1. black_eagle
          +1
          28 August 2012 20: 40
          In 1959, Armalite sold the construction rights to this Colt's Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company, which began commercial production with plans to launch sales in India and Malaysia.
          You are absolutely right. The Americans do not have a national idea, even in arms only business, if they paid the USSR they would sell in the USSR
    3. 0
      17 November 2013 16: 38
      And rightly so, as many people call any AK-47 Kalashnikov assault rifle
  36. BAT
    0
    28 August 2012 17: 24
    To be honest, I've always laughed at the Discovery Channel ratings. And now he laughed. Especially over the rifle of the winners of the Second World War. Something "winners" somehow started to "win" in this war a little late ... The war began in 1940, and the "heroes-victors" began to participate in real serious hostilities in 1944. when they understood. that they may be late to victory ...
    The warriors from the past. As they were with the Russians, they remained ...
    1. +3
      28 August 2012 17: 56
      The war began in the 39th. No?
    2. cobra66
      0
      28 August 2012 20: 29
      You were mistaken. World War II began on September 2, 1 and ended on September 1939, 2, by the way the Americans themselves consider the Pacific campaign more important than the European one.
      1. BAT
        +2
        29 August 2012 11: 03
        Dear Alexey and Gleb, I apologize for the gross mistake. Very ashamed. I just wrote a comment on emotions. Thanks for correcting. But in my opinion, and I will take the liberty of affirming, the opinion of many millions of people --- the outcome of the Second World War was decided not in the Pacific campaign, but in Europe. If the Soviet Army had not destroyed the most powerful Nazi war machine, then it is not known what the outcome of the war would have been. And our troops defeated the millionth Kwantung Army within two weeks. And the overseas "victorious warriors" for how many years they fought with Japan?

        Sincerely, Vladislav.
        1. Rider
          -1
          29 August 2012 16: 39
          Quote: sichevik
          A million-strong Kwantung army, our troops defeated in two weeks

          And in the Tsushima Strait, the Japanese drowned the 2nd Russian Russian Pacific Squadron in a few hours. 30 warships and auxiliary ships to the bottom. Losses of Japan - 3 destroyers

          Quote: sichevik
          our troops defeated the millionth Kwantung Army in two weeks. And the overseas "victorious warriors" for how many years they fought with Japan?

          The aviation of the "formidable" Kwantung Army did not make a single sortie. That's the whole cost of talking. It was an incapacitating assembly, not an army.
          And no one defeated anyone - the war ended a few days after the USSR entered Manchuria - in fact, the hostilities ended on August 15. September 2 - this is officially the delegation arrived in Tokyo.


          In short, Vladislav, continue to amaze forum visitors with your ignorance and ignorance
      2. +1
        17 November 2013 16: 41
        And somehow they are silent that only the entry into the war against Japan by the USSR led to victory. Even two atomic strikes did not break the Japanese spirit. After the atomic bombings, the mood to fight "to the last Japanese" was very strong.
  37. 0
    28 August 2012 17: 55
    Reached the second place, I think everything - definitely in the first place some kind of American crap, but here is the legendary AK! Pleased. Really didn’t understand why AK is unattractive?
    1. cobra66
      +2
      28 August 2012 20: 29
      Most likely due to modularity, I think in AK-12 everything will be fixed
  38. Robin_3ON
    0
    28 August 2012 18: 00
    ALL THIS IS A TOTAL Nonsense, because it is a weapon and it is being killed from it ... which ratings are the same as comparing a gallows or gelatin and other types of murder.
  39. 0
    28 August 2012 18: 50
    Something Discovery finally can work after the sleeves. In the photo is not AK-47, but AK-74M, Osama has AK-74U. Kosyachat recklessly !!!
    1. cobra66
      +3
      28 August 2012 20: 32
      You are a little wrong with Osama AKS74U
      1. 0
        29 August 2012 14: 09
        Well, they are all with folding butts. And also in the photo m4, not m16, but it is hardly the fault of Discovery.
        1. cobra66
          +1
          29 August 2012 14: 25
          M4 of a late modification, because they began to make a removable portable handle, it is clear Discovery so quickly made this rating from the bulldozer
  40. Sober
    0
    28 August 2012 18: 59
    Discovery is a bunch of Trolls))
    and the fact that AK is the best here and there’s nothing to argue and the point here is not even patriotism! in cheapness, simplicity, reliability and operation in battle! all the main indicators and they are all on top .. there are flaws on the background of emka, but they are not basic and insignificant .. which means emka is in the woods .. and caliber 5.45 is better than 5.56, which would have been proved by practitioners a long time ago, and not theorists! units of police (city) would rearm with something else, otherwise it will ricochet)))
  41. Voin sveta82
    +1
    28 August 2012 21: 13
    weapons ... forever ....)))
  42. Lich
    +1
    28 August 2012 21: 29
    How can these Americans infuriate if you make a weapon rating, at least you need to make weapons out of everything, otherwise they showed from your own how it even got into the rating ??? M16 is still shitty unreliable often seizes, requires delicate handling of daily cleaning and even fragile, etc. Yes, many Soviet models surpass it, and other countries also have something to boast of. But my opinion is that in Soviet times a lot of good-quality and reliable weapons were created in the union !!!
  43. +3
    28 August 2012 23: 17
    AK-47 Thirty charges of rock and roll. Weapons of bad guys.

    Well .. I haven’t laughed like that for a long time.)))
    So I, too, was once a bad guy.)))
    1. staser
      +3
      29 August 2012 01: 39
      Me too =)
      but I wouldn’t mind to be with it every day =)
      1. 0
        29 August 2012 02: 33
        This is where ento so. And a series or units. instance? Judging by the wind, the unit is (
        1. staser
          0
          29 August 2012 12: 03
          Why single? I saw many have this, like somewhere I saw instructions on how to assemble this =)
          1. 0
            12 September 2012 22: 46
            Sultry woman. Dream of the poet)
  44. 0
    29 August 2012 01: 03
    Good video about the 3-line

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmVJYB3uDkc
  45. +2
    29 August 2012 09: 35
    Oh, this discovery!
    The first thing that catches your eye is how you can compare TTX rifles with manual reloading, self-loading rifles and automatic assault rifles (hereinafter the machine gun). An ordinary rifle loses self-loading in terms of rate of fire, but wins in accuracy and reliability. The assault rifle loses the first two in terms of effective firing range — the limit for the assault rifle is 400 m (meaning without optics, etc.), while for rifles this distance does not cause problems.
    It was necessary to compare at least rifles and self-loading rifles in one rating, and machine guns in another. Otherwise, if you do not differentiate the samples from the rating according to their
    species, then PP should be included in the same rating.
    Where is the G-3, which is adopted by more than 50 countries in the world?
    Where are the SVT-40 and Mosin, which the Nazis willingly used along with the PPSh, because it is both more reliable and convenient.
    Where is the SCS, which was armed with every second of the Chinese "volunteers"?
  46. Darck
    -1
    29 August 2012 11: 13
    Normal rating, AK put in the first place, I don’t remember that the Russians did something like that, they would rather piss boiling water and say phrases, has no analogues .... unique characteristics.
    Not that controversial, it is provocative. The weapons of the winners in World War II are the Mosin rifle and PPSh and PPS submachine guns (although they are not suitable for rating like submachine guns)
    And what’s controversial, the USA fought with these rifles against the Japanese and Fascists, Fascism and Japan won (I don’t say that the USA alone did it) but they are one of the winners, hence the phrase
    Weapons of the victors in World War II
    Whoever doesn’t like to do his own run, I will gladly read your objectivity.
  47. NickitaDembelnulsa
    +1
    29 August 2012 13: 08
    The fact that .AK the best- I do not argue. But why is it the weapon of the bad guys ?. Rather, it is a weapon of the Revolution and Freedom.
  48. +1
    29 August 2012 14: 02
    s1н7т
    Yes, G-3 and L1A1 yet.
    ,
    L1A1 - this is practically FN FAL, but G3 should have been in the rating, because. half the world used it too.
  49. Captain
    +1
    29 August 2012 16: 16
    this is the only time that America lost the Soviet Union to smithereens

    That's just funny.
  50. +5
    29 August 2012 16: 45
    It caught my eye:
    M 16 - Under the magnifying glass melt butt
    AK 47 - Under the magnifying glass you can see the Vietnamese mud still working instead of grease
    Three-line - Under the magnifying glass you can see the impregnated tree BLOOD
    ***
    M 16 - Wedges when dirty
    AK 47 - Works when dirty
    Three-line - Was not clean from the moment of issuance to the troops in 1932
    ***
    M 16 - Hundreds of moving parts held together by dozens of bolts and screws
    AK 47 - A pair of dozens of moving parts held together by a handful of rivets and ugly seams of a drunk Russian welder
    Three-line - three moving parts, two screws.
    ***
    M 16 - You're more likely to die than smash your expensive rifle in melee
    AK 47 - Your assault rifle can beat you well in hand-to-hand fighting
    Three-ruler - Your rifle is a cool spear with the ability to shoot
    ***
    M 16 - if the striker breaks, you send the rifle to the factory under warranty
    AK 47 - if the striker breaks, you buy a new one
    Three-line - If the hammer breaks, you spin it a couple of turns further into the shutter
    ***
    M 16 - More difficult to manufacture than many aircraft
    AK 47 - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes
    Three-line - Aircraft shot down from it
    ***
    Owner's favorite drink:
    M 16 - whiskey
    AK 47 - Vodka
    Three-line - Brake fluid drained from a frozen crowbar
    ***
    M 16 - Makes a small hole, everything is neat, in accordance with the Geneva Convention
    AK 47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention
    Three-line - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention
    ***
    M 16 - perfectly shoots small rodents
    AK 47 - perfectly shoots the enemies of the revolution
    Trehlineyka - perfectly shoots light equipment

    ***
    M 16 - once in a river, it stops working
    AK 47 - hitting the river, still shoots
    Three-ruler - once in the river, usually used as a paddle
    ***
    M 16 - The grenade launcher is heavy, but can put a grenade in the window for 200 meters
    AK 47 - If anything, the grenade from the grenade launcher can be thrown into the window with your hand
    Three-line - Grenade out the window? Hit through the wall, the cartridge pierces almost a meter of brick
    ***
    M 16 - You can put a silencer, a small cartridge does not give a lot of sound
    AK 47 - In principle, you can put a silencer, but it’s better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire
    Three-line - In figs, a silencer when, after the first shot, is everyone deaf in any way?
    ***

    M 16 - Weapons for defense

    AK 47 - Weapons for attack

    Three-line - Victory Arms!
    1. Hedgehog
      +1
      29 August 2012 20: 37
      I am under the table
      1. Nubia2
        0
        29 August 2012 20: 54
        How little you need.
    2. Nubia2
      0
      29 August 2012 20: 54
      What nonsense.
  51. R. Alex
    +1
    29 August 2012 20: 23
    I completely agree with Captain45 and his rating! And the Amer really praises his loved ones, how the Kalash got there is amazing!
    1. 0
      30 August 2012 09: 33
      This is a purely commercial rating, and the AK-47 got there, because they produce it themselves. There is silence about the new Kalash, because they are produced in Russia. This rating is just an advertisement
      1. 0
        30 August 2012 15: 36
        Silence about the new Kalash,

        How does the new Kalash differ from the old one, besides the caliber and details? And don’t forget about the name of the rating - ...XX century..
        1. 0
          1 September 2012 10: 03
          It differs in that in many countries, including the USA, they produce AK-47s in 7.62 caliber, but in Russia such an assault rifle is not produced. Praising the AK-47 is as much an expression of American patriotism as praising the M-16. And they will never promote such twentieth-century assault rifles as the AK-74, AS, AEK-971, 9A-91, ASM-DT, even the export A-91, until they are released in the USA
  52. Voin sveta82
    0
    29 August 2012 20: 55
    AK - power..)))
  53. +1
    30 August 2012 00: 13
    M 16 - Makes a small hole, everything is neat, in accordance with the Geneva Convention
    AK 47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention
    Three-line - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention

    I really enjoyed it... laughing
  54. Uncle Serozha
    +2
    30 August 2012 01: 12
    I was surprised that SVT was not in the rating. The Finns greatly respected the Svetka and considered it almost the most advanced weapon in World War II. They were very surprised when ours talked about its “unreliability” and kept it in service until 1958.

    By the way, both the G3 and the FN FAL mentioned here were made with an eye on “Svetka”.

    And one more thing is strange. If "Springfield", "Lee Enfield" and "Mauser 98" are mentioned, then where are our three-line and Japanese Arisaki? The rifles are of the same generation, but certainly no worse than the Springfield and no less common.
  55. Dmitry 77
    +1
    30 August 2012 16: 21
    Thanks neighing laughing The Amirokos, as always, showed their stupidity fool
  56. 0
    1 September 2012 10: 27
    rating from Counter-Strike nerds - everything is crap, AK-47 and M-16 are the best! laughing
  57. +1
    1 September 2012 15: 34
    By the way, the experts made a mistake - the first automatic rifle built according to the “bullpup” scheme was the Korovin machine gun created in 1945. Unfortunately, the unfinished construction and the overall low technical level of execution did not allow him to pass the tests successfully.
    The British also have a bullpup with a tragic fate - the 2 Enfield EM-1951. Experts had in mind the first SERIAL bullpup
  58. 0
    14 September 2012 10: 18
    I had no doubt about first place)))
  59. rurewarenefus
    0
    3 March 2013 22: 42
    Vkontakte no longer cooperates with YouTube, views are no longer counted (
  60. 0
    17 November 2013 16: 01
    Of the ten “finalists”, four are “Americans”...why not nine?
  61. 0
    17 November 2013 16: 23
    The StG44 has appeared in Guns Disassembly. So anyone can compare its design with the AK. Only the gas exhaust mechanisms are the same. Everything else is radically different. Well, according to the rating, the FN FAL is a truly deserved rifle, it was supplied to those monkeys who were against communism. And the rest of the carbines are iconic exclusively for amers.
  62. 0
    11 March 2015 18: 28
    I read it with interest, although this is an American point of view.

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