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In the West: By Transferring Troops, Putin Highlights US Mistake in Withdrawal from the Open Skies Treaty

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Western military experts continue to actively discuss the topic of the maneuvers of the Russian troops. The West, as local politicians have repeatedly stated, is "worried" about the situation with the movement of the Russian army "near the borders of Ukraine." As reported in one of today's news materials "Voennoye Obozreniye", German Chancellor Angela Merkel and US President Joe Biden called on Russia to withdraw its troops from its western borders.


At the same time, Western experts say that the withdrawal of Russian troops from the western borders, from the borders with Ukraine, "must be controlled." Initiatives are being voiced almost about the creation of some kind of international monitoring group, which in the coming days will "monitor" how many Russian military have moved away from the borders with Ukraine, how many of these borders are left.

Recall that, speaking during a working meeting in Severomorsk, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu noted the following fact: NATO has concentrated impressive forces and assets near the borders of Russia - about 40 thousand troops and up to 15 thousand units of various military equipment, including Tanks, MLRS, fighters and warships. In NATO, commenting on Sergei Shoigu's statements, they declare that "firstly, NATO does not have such a number of troops on the eastern borders, and secondly, forces and means do not pose a threat to Russia, since they have a purely defensive goal."

An interesting (and already traditional) logic of Western opponents: if they move troops to the borders of Russia, then these are "defensive actions", and if any movement of its troops on its territory is carried out by Russia, then this is certainly a threat. As in that well-known meme, which states that Russia "is insidiously approaching the US and NATO military bases." In addition, there was talk of a "monitoring group" as well.



Also in the West, they say that Vladimir Putin "takes advantage of the situation with the US withdrawal from the DON - the Open Skies Treaty, demonstrating that now the West does not have the ability to directly monitor the movement of Russian troops on the western borders." It is pointed out that "this is how Putin underlines the mistake of the United States" associated with withdrawing from the said treaty.
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  1. Cube123
    Cube123 April 15 2021 08: 07
    +10
    How many times have we already been told fairy tales, and then presented with a fait accompli.
    1. figwam
      figwam April 15 2021 08: 42
      +16
      NATO does not have such a number of troops on the eastern borders, and secondly, forces and means do not pose a threat to Russia, since they have a purely defensive purpose. "

      NATO initially poses a threat to Russia, since it was created against us and it is high time to withdraw the US occupation forces with nuclear weapons from Europe.
      1. keeper03
        keeper03 April 15 2021 20: 37
        +3
        What two-faced bastards! No. What we want, we do along our borders, and you will at least call each other there! wassat soldier
    2. Civil
      Civil April 15 2021 08: 55
      -18%
      The configuration "War with Ukraine against sanctions" is being implemented in practice. Everyone has dilemmas:
      1. Russia, along with the war, receives an embargo on oil and gas with a complete cut-off from world finances, Chinese banks have long adhered to sanctions. Severe economic crisis comparable to 1917.
      2. The West is losing Ukraine, because in the event of a war, they are not going to really help the Ukrainians.
      3. With the war, Ukraine is likely to lose its statehood in its existing form.

      And who benefits from the war? China. USA. Russian capital.
      1. I do not care
        I do not care April 15 2021 09: 17
        -2
        and who is the loser? Russian and Ukrainian boys, who have fallen into the ground, 2 fraternal people with brainwashed TV, will become enemies for a long time, and they will also pay for this banquet.
        1. Civil
          Civil April 15 2021 10: 30
          -4
          Quote: me by
          and who is the loser? Russian and Ukrainian boys, who have fallen into the ground, 2 fraternal people with brainwashed TV, will become enemies for a long time, and they will also pay for this banquet.

          This is geopolitics where consumables are not counted. To earn and enslave.
          1. I do not care
            I do not care April 15 2021 10: 42
            -12%
            there is no one to enslave, and here and there, in Russia, the majority is already in slavery, in credit, mortgage, with work for food, And here and there from the zombie box we are convinced of the need for this war. then who?
            1. Civil
              Civil April 15 2021 10: 57
              +3
              Quote: me by
              And here and there from the zomboyaschik we are convinced of the need for this war. They say to us, there, they say, the Nazis, and then who is here?

              You and me - they forgot to ask. All wars start just like that - with someone's specific Wishlist.
              1. I do not care
                I do not care April 15 2021 11: 05
                -7
                I don’t agree. It used to be 300 years ago, yes. Now wars begin because of circumstances and contradictions. Ukraine needs to return the face to the web and distract the people from the catastrophe in the economy and an empty refrigerator. this is to spit from the bell tower.
                1. Civil
                  Civil April 15 2021 12: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: me by
                  Ukraine needs to return its face to the web and distract people from a catastrophe in the economy and an empty refrigerator.

                  But, they risk their own statehood.
                  1. I do not care
                    I do not care April 15 2021 14: 27
                    -6
                    No, Europe does not need a large-scale war. They will sit down for the new Minsk. But how much blood will be shed before that, no one knows.
                  2. I do not care
                    I do not care April 15 2021 15: 34
                    -9
                    There are dozens of reasons for the impossibility of a large-scale war.
                    I'll just name the obvious ones.
                    refusal to purchase Russian gas, albeit a part, the transition to liquefied Saudi and Yanker gas. The states profit. Russia-Kerdyk. 90s will seem like paradise.
                    Ukraine's accession to NATO as an associated partner.
                    the inability to conduct a conflict for a long time due to the mutual weakness of the economies.
                    the unwillingness of a large part of the population on both sides to participate in the war, because. its goals do not meet the interests of this part of society.
                    Today, young people deny television. The Solovievs and evening ear-calls do not raise “patriots.” People will not fight, it is not clear why.
                    and no need to poke Syria. The Syrians themselves (shit, not soldiers), Iranians and our Mercenaries participate in the clashes.
            2. Alexander Seklitsky
              Alexander Seklitsky April 16 2021 17: 26
              +1
              Quote: me by
              they say to us, there, they say, the Nazis

              And that they are not there? Well, drive them to kuev on May 9, try to walk around with the St.George ribbon.
            3. silver169
              silver169 April 18 2021 08: 03
              +1
              You Po, so go Na ...
      2. Guru
        Guru April 15 2021 11: 34
        +3
        Civil (Vadim)
        The configuration "War with Ukraine against sanctions" is being implemented in practice. Everyone has dilemmas:

        Not a bad start, and what are these dilemmas?
        1.Russia, along with the war, receives an embargo on oil and gas
        Yes, is it really direct a complete shutdown. laughing
        complete disconnection from world finance,
        Come on wink Swift hinting laughing Damn Rzhu I can not, and who will suffer from this? If you imagine even hypothetically WHAT! The Americans, together with Europe, disconnect us from SWIFT, then - the Viza and Master Card cards both worked and will work in the territory of the Russian Federation. But it will not work to pay in Germany or America, this is true, but ordinary people who do not go to Europe for the weekend does not matter, ordinary people who receive a salary in rubles and spend rubles will not even notice this disconnection, Viza and Master Card cards will operate on the territory RF until the end of the validity period (it is indicated on the card itself) after the end, it will be possible to simply switch to the "Mir" system.
        Chinese banks have long adhered to sanctions.
        Is it true or what? Directly all Chinese or some of the long list laughing
        Severe economic crisis comparable to 1917.
        Dreamed wassat With what fright the crisis then? Because of the turmoil in Ukraine.
        2. The West is losing Ukraine, because in the event of a war, they are not going to really help the Ukrainians.
        It's just nonsense, how to lose what you don't have. But the concentration of Zapadentsev in western Ukraine is quite possible. And the Primordially Russian territories will go to Russia - this is quite probable.
        3. With the war, Ukraine is likely to lose its statehood in its existing form.
        I spoke about this above.
        And who benefits from the war? China. USA. Russian capital.
        The phrase is simply not about anything,
        Will Russian capital benefit from SWIFT disconnection ????
        And what will China win? And America just needs a mess, well, and various smaller buns, from the category "Arguments confirming Russia's aggressive behavior", "Intimidation of Europe in order to sell liquefied gas"
        1. Civil
          Civil April 15 2021 13: 14
          -6
          Will Russian capital benefit from SWIFT disconnection ????

          They will introduce their own systems to further rob the population. They will receive new lands, factories, labor, etc.
          And what will China win?

          The economic crisis will accelerate the outflow of the population from Siberia and the Far East.
          And the Primordially Russian territories will go to Russia - this is quite probable.

          So what? Who will heal better from this? Will an ordinary Russian be given an inch of land? And if they give it out, why?
          Yes, is it really direct a complete shutdown.

          Yes, please, when Iraq attacked Kuwait, they entered it immediately. Although it was one of the main suppliers of oil and gas.
          Because of the turmoil in Ukraine.

          Due to the imposed sanctions ... the ruble is barely breathing right now. And in case of war, by the way, they will immediately cut you down. A non-core asset under a military dictatorship.
      3. Maikcg
        Maikcg April 15 2021 14: 00
        +7
        1. Mr. Obama re-login.
        Let's take a closer look. Together with the embargo of Russia, the EU gets a knee, about 35% and even in some places up to 40% it happened to import gas from Russia. Gas is not only heating, it is chemistry, first of all, and will pull everything along. Including other cooperation in other areas, you can safely halve the GDP of Europe after the embargo was imposed and the Arctic fox as a gift, so successfully emptied the UGS this winter. After the "embargo" for Venezuela, the United States has significantly increased the purchase of our heavy oil, because the sheikhs cannot stretch the technology on one easy one. Cross out. We and the French are engaged in the enrichment of uranium for American nuclear power plants. Up to half of the nuclear power plants will be shut down in the event of these sanctions. Sapphire crystal for an apple from Stavropol. How to live without a nuclear power plant and a yamobilka? Joke. Let's continue. All property of foreign capital, excuse me, investments of foreign capital, will suddenly stop working on the territory of Russia? Bookmarks in the machines are quite likely, but what kind of bookmarks, for example, in McDuck and you. And the Violinist (Swift AND world finance) is not needed, there is a native (s) of our own, they were only put in the nightstands in accordance with the recommendations of the IMF.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 April 15 2021 08: 08
    +10
    They have already realized that non-brothers will be beaten up as an adult and their expressed support for which Russia can simply wipe is worthless, so they are worried.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 April 15 2021 08: 11
      +6
      Quote: Pessimist22
      their expressed support for which Russia might just wipe

      And Ukraine too wassat
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 15 2021 08: 15
        +6
        Quote: Cube123
        And Ukraine too

        Face, yes about the table.
      2. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 April 15 2021 08: 16
        +8
        All and sundry are wiping themselves with Ukraine.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 April 15 2021 08: 18
          +6
          Quote: Pessimist22
          All and sundry are wiping themselves with Ukraine.

          We also went through this in the 80s and 90s. I really do not want to return to this. And the task of the West is precisely to return us there.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock April 15 2021 08: 19
      -3
      Quote: Pessimist22
      They have already realized that non-brothers will be beaten up to an adult and their expressed support for which Russia can simply wipe

      Will you throw your hats? Ask how many transporters have ALREADY delivered their cargo from the USA, Germany and the Baltic states. Do you think they brought candy?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 April 15 2021 08: 30
        +24
        And what did they bring?))) Providing even the minimum of one division for training and for battles these are echelons of cargo. The logistics are constant. An endless stream. The arrival of several transporters is not even a drop. This is a molecule of this drop) what were they brought? Communication. Possibly a means of intelligence. Perhaps advisers. In minimal quantities. They will not be able to bring anything global at such intensity.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara April 15 2021 08: 39
          +5
          Quote: carstorm 11
          And what did they bring?))) Providing even the minimum of one division for training and for battles these are echelons of cargo. The logistics are constant. An endless stream. The arrival of several transporters is not even a drop. This is a molecule of this drop) what were they brought? Communication. Possibly a means of intelligence. Perhaps advisers. In minimal quantities. They will not be able to bring anything global at such intensity.

          I completely agree. Judging by the hysteria, the support will still be moral
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 April 15 2021 08: 48
            +4
            Normally. Nothing new. But the electorate can be screwed-ameriga with us) the plane flew in) in which, in fact, for the sake of appearance they put something. Well, that would not be very indignant.
          2. aszzz888
            aszzz888 April 15 2021 08: 50
            +3

            Vol4ara (Alexander)
            Today, 08: 39
            NEW

            0
            Quote: carstorm 11
            And what did they bring?))) Providing even the minimum of one division for training and for battles these are echelons of cargo. The logistics are constant. An endless stream. The arrival of several transporters is not even a drop. This is a molecule of this drop) what were they brought? Communication. Possibly a means of intelligence. Perhaps advisers. In minimal quantities. They will not be able to bring anything global at such intensity.

            I completely agree. Judging by the hysteria, the support will still be moral
            Military commander S. Pegov gave an interview from Donbass today. ALREADY confirmed the data on the presence of the BRIT and MERIKASOV special forces on the front lines, the psheks planted their warriors. Yesterday, some other gang was unloaded onto the railway - an apron, and the station was cordoned off so that the m / the population would not be able to find out who it was. The case, the campaign, goes to a military operation.
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara April 15 2021 08: 59
              +3
              Quote: aszzz888

              Vol4ara (Alexander)
              Today, 08: 39
              NEW

              0
              Quote: carstorm 11
              And what did they bring?))) Providing even the minimum of one division for training and for battles these are echelons of cargo. The logistics are constant. An endless stream. The arrival of several transporters is not even a drop. This is a molecule of this drop) what were they brought? Communication. Possibly a means of intelligence. Perhaps advisers. In minimal quantities. They will not be able to bring anything global at such intensity.

              I completely agree. Judging by the hysteria, the support will still be moral
              Military commander S. Pegov gave an interview from Donbass today. ALREADY confirmed the data on the presence of the BRIT and MERIKASOV special forces on the front lines, the psheks planted their warriors. Yesterday, some other gang was unloaded onto the railway - an apron, and the station was cordoned off so that the m / the population would not be able to find out who it was. The case, the campaign, goes to a military operation.

              It is quite possible, but I strongly doubt that the special forces, if they are there, will put their heads instead of the khokhlov. What, what, but he is not needed there
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 April 15 2021 09: 02
                +4

                Vol4ara (Alexander)
                Today, 08: 59
                It is quite possible, but I strongly doubt that the special forces, if they are there, will put their heads instead of the khokhlov. What, what, but he is not needed there
                Past military events have shown the opposite. And there were instructors, and special forces were from behind a puddle together with other "wild geese" ...
                1. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara April 15 2021 09: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: aszzz888

                  Vol4ara (Alexander)
                  Today, 08: 59
                  It is quite possible, but I strongly doubt that the special forces, if they are there, will put their heads instead of the khokhlov. What, what, but he is not needed there
                  Past military events have shown the opposite. And there were instructors, and special forces were from behind a puddle together with other "wild geese" ...

                  And what kind of special forces fought during the active phase in the Donbass or in Georgia, and what did they achieve? :) soft-bodied brits crap to fight against an equal enemy without air cover and without the possibility of a quick evacuation. Beating bearded men in Afghanistan in greenhouse conditions is not at all what awaits them. And awaits them with shame and eyes on the floor, during the exchange of prisoners, this is at best
                  1. aszzz888
                    aszzz888 April 15 2021 09: 20
                    +5

                    Vol4ara (Alexander)
                    Today, 09: 16

                    -1 ...To beat the bearded in augan in greenhouse conditions is not at all what awaits them. And awaits them with shame and eyes on the floor, during the exchange of prisoners, this is at best
                    I agree. They will fight in the Donbass - they will snatch it in full.
                    They began to climb out the minus ...
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 April 15 2021 16: 39
              -2
              They never ended) if you track down the statements, then there are constantly foreigners found. Which is quite logical. We have been doing the same for many, many, many years)
        2. Overlock
          Overlock April 15 2021 16: 36
          +15
          Quote: carstorm 11
          And what did they bring?))) Providing even the minimum of one division for training and for battles these are echelons of cargo.

          Cartridges and shells. High-tech weapons are not carried in the freight train
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 April 15 2021 16: 42
            -1
            Come on?))) Have you brought 40 javelins?)))) Or 4 hummers?))) Or what do you call high-tech there?) And for reference, they carry everything) it all depends on the possibilities. Mattresses do not have railway tracks to 404) so ​​they fly. Do you have at least someone in Bandostan who understands what military logistics is?)
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 15 2021 23: 12
              +21
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Do you have at least someone in Bandostan who understands what military logistics is?)

              Hey, Khabarovsk Chinese! The smartest? Take it easy on the bends, salaga
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 April 15 2021 23: 16
                +2
                I'm German) but you can speak as you please. I'm lilac)
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock April 16 2021 00: 14
                  +19
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  I am German)

                  Yes, even an Eskimo! Do your logistics through Amur.
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  but you can speak as you please. I'm lilac)

                  Then you are not flickering, you are not showing your education, but the lack of upbringing.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 April 16 2021 02: 55
                    -3
                    You will poke your wife. And I express my opinion. I was not involved in logistics. All the years my military service took place on a different plane after graduating from a tank school. And I did not serve in Khabarovsk. My units are just deployed to your garbage) Do not like bandostan?) Well, what they wanted and got. For me, this unfinished business is nothing else.
      2. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev April 15 2021 08: 59
        +3
        Do you think they brought candy?

        From the baltics? Sprats.
      3. Lord
        Lord April 15 2021 09: 24
        +2
        Or maybe something was taken out
  3. Invoce
    Invoce April 15 2021 08: 11
    +13
    By transferring troops, Putin underlines the mistake of the United States

    Initiatives are expressed almost on the creation of some kind of international monitoring groupwhich in the coming days will "track" how many Russian military have moved away from the borders with Ukrainehow many of these boundaries are left.

    EVERYONE is wrong!
    Only a few mistakes have to pay ....!
    Naive.
    The Russian army will be there where it is needed and as much as needed. And no monitoring group is a decree to us .. And if there is nothing to do, let them count. I am not a militarist, but also not a pacifist .. If you want peace, prepare for war! So they said, I don't remember who smile No matter how many Russian troops are stationed in the Odessa Military District again
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 15 2021 08: 20
      +15
      Quote: Invoce
      No matter how many Russian troops are stationed in the Odessa Military District again

      Tin! But seriously think about it?
      1. Invoce
        Invoce April 15 2021 09: 26
        +10
        ...
        Quote: Overlock
        Quote: Invoce
        No matter how many Russian troops are stationed in the Odessa Military District again

        Tin! But seriously think about it?


        But seriously, this is most likely a necessity and a reality. Sanctions are raining down on Russia regardless of what Russia does, "behaves right or wrong." The reason is that Russia does not allow itself to be robbed and defends its interests, and does not agree to the exclusivity of American ones. All events in the world are the result of the influence of the United States (Fed, Rothschild, Rockefeller monopolies and Soros funds) on life in the world. In a word, creating tools to change the situation in favor of these interested organizations. So it was from time immemorial since the Napoleonic wars and the assassination of Paul I! Nothing has changed.
        Why not adopt their own method. They create conditions for changing and formatting today's world - we are creating conditions for protecting against changes in the world in the interests of the United States, and we would like to change the world in the interests of Russia. You just need political will, a huge mass of people are already tired of this tennis
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 15 2021 16: 34
          +18
          Quote: Invoce
          Sanctions are raining down on Russia regardless of what Russia does

          What, please specify?
          And then, Putin and the government claim that it is good for us. What to be angry about?
          Quote: Invoce
          The reason is that Russia does not allow itself to be robbed and defends its interests, and does not agree to the exclusivity of American ones.

          Rave. Who is robbing Russia, specify! The sanctions began in 2014, and then, barely.
          Quote: Invoce
          Why not adopt their own method.

          Take it, but first create a rear-economy!
          Quote: Invoce
          we create conditions for protection from changes in the world in the interests of the United States, and we would like to change the world in the interests of Russia.

          Are you seriously? Do you want to conquer the world with such an economy?
          The Russian economy ranks 6th among countries in the world and 2nd among European countries in terms of GDP in PPP, which for 2019 is estimated at $ 4,39 trillion.
          In terms of nominal GDP ($ 1,7 trillion in 2019), Russia ranks 11th in the world and 5th in Europe, according to the World Bank.
          In terms of GDP in PPP per capita, Russia for 2019 ranks 50th.
          1. The popuas
            The popuas April 15 2021 20: 06
            +2
            The usa has a national debt of 30 trillion ... wink eu countries ... the national debt of large economies is more than a hundred% of GDP ... I wonder who lends them laughing
          2. mikstepanenko
            mikstepanenko April 16 2021 14: 25
            +1
            For China, the GDP figures are real, but for the EU and especially for the US they are inflated, China has long overtaken them. The striped ones count services in GDP, and this is more than half of their GDP. Let's say a law firm took a million dollars for appearing in court, and GDP grew by a million at once.
  4. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 15 2021 08: 13
    +4
    An interesting (and already traditional) logic of Western opponents: if they move troops to the borders of Russia, then these are "defensive actions", and if any movement of its troops on its territory is carried out by Russia, then this is certainly a threat.
    The USA got stuck with the movement of Russian troops, they realized that Russia knew about the intentions of the West to embroil Ukraine in the war and Russia was ready to meet "not invited guests" as always in Russian.
  5. knn54
    knn54 April 15 2021 08: 21
    +3
    -The West does not have the ability to directly monitor the movement of Russian troops on the western borders
    And why satellites?
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara April 15 2021 08: 41
      -2
      Quote: knn54
      -The West does not have the ability to directly monitor the movement of Russian troops on the western borders
      And why satellites?

      Yes it is zhurnalyugi balabolyat. The concentration of our troops was photographed from space by all and sundry
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 April 15 2021 08: 26
    +6
    In the West: By Transferring Troops, Putin Highlights US Mistake in Withdrawal from the Open Skies Treaty
    Or maybe everything is simpler and more specific.
    The mistake is that you are not able to climb with your interes in OUR GARDEN?
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 15 2021 08: 32
    +7
    With these inferences, the West is trying to dictate to us what they want! Let's return to the places of deployment according to their wishes, we will receive even greater demands from them. We must tell them that we are not "bastard" and act to the end. If sanctions are imposed, send Muhamoor with his bilateral negotiations away .Our ten diplomats will be expelled (according to the news of American liars from the New York Times). To send 20 American liars in revenge. Yes, and Zakharova's time to switch to the mighty Russian. It seems that Lavrov cannot reach the brains of the "exceptional"! Unfortunately, the Shoigu ministry will have to sort out the situation, very I hope that only maneuvers will do. Who knows what is happening with the destroyers going to the Black Sea, or no longer going?
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 April 15 2021 08: 36
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Send out our ten diplomats (according to the news of American liars from the New York Times) Send 20 American ones in revenge.

      Yes, the expulsion of 750 American "diplomats" by Russia was a real shock for the United States, from which they still cannot recover.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 15 2021 08: 46
        +3
        He will not be able to recover, our "5th Column" .5 Column for me, these are those who want to be friends with the West on their terms. And those who say that NATO is white and fluffy and "only farts with butterflies." Amers are now not sweet, diplomats have to master the profession of "building maintenance technician." After cleaning the toilet bowl, the desire to interfere in the internal affairs of Russia sharply drops. Notice how the activity fell!
    2. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev April 15 2021 09: 09
      +9
      Let's return to the places of deployment according to their wishes, we will receive their even greater requirements.

      Exactly! NATO is like a pack of dogs. While you are backing away, they will screech closer and closer.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 15 2021 09: 12
        +5
        I see the degree of tension is increasing every day, and the Chinese have launched an offensive on diplomatic fronts! Let's see who breaks whom?
        1. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev April 15 2021 09: 18
          +4
          China is difficult to predict. And, it would seem, it's time to become back to back.
  8. iouris
    iouris April 15 2021 08: 49
    +2
    Don’t need DON. The dissolution of NATO is needed.
  9. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev April 15 2021 08: 54
    +4
    In addition, there was talk of a "monitoring group" as well.

    Maybe they will simply demand to chip every Russian serviceman and equipment? It would seem that it's time to get used to everything, but every time I have a mute scene in my head after the next statements.
  10. I do not care
    I do not care April 15 2021 09: 04
    -9
    I read the comments, and quietly went nuts. Hey, hello, who are you going to fight with? Whose interests to defend?
    Do the Russian and Ukrainian people need this war? can she be a comedian? -I don't think so.
    For the states, it is possible, but not critical. But since they are going to fight, it means that someone needs it.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 April 15 2021 09: 16
      +5
      Return all the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the last tank, closer to Kiev and there will be no war.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 15 2021 09: 20
      -7
      Quote: me by
      I read the comments, and quietly went nuts. Hey, hello, who are you going to fight with? Whose interests to defend?

      Comrade, the duroscope is doing its job, and the guards are diligently working out their non-dealer fees, because many still do not have houses on Lake Como, but they really want to.
      1. I do not care
        I do not care April 15 2021 09: 24
        -10%
        The tsar does not know what to do, the rabble can rebel in the war of slaves. Ivan Vasilyevich remembered something.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 15 2021 09: 29
          -8
          Quote: me by
          The tsar does not know what to do, the rabble can rebel in the war of slaves. Ivan Vasilyevich remembered something.

          Aha good laughing And you look at what is happening, the morale of the couch troops has grown exponentially, but many do not understand that the blood is not water, but the "zinc" who have arrived at their mothers are quickly cooling hot heads.
          1. I do not care
            I do not care April 15 2021 09: 42
            -10%
            hi a multi-mover wasted the garden in '14, then the war made at least some sense. now,
            after the absolute purge of all the people's leaders of the LDNR, only the interests of Russian capital and criminals remained there, specially trained people from Moscow sit in key places. The people of the republic did not care about our government either then or now.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter April 15 2021 09: 49
              -7
              Quote: me by
              a multi-mover wasted the garden in '14, then the war made at least some sense. now,
              after the absolute purge of all the people's leaders of the LDNR, only the interests of Russian capital and criminals remained there, specially trained people from Moscow sit in key places. The people of the republic did not care about our government either then or now.

              It is very difficult to convey this idea to the nuclear electorate, the inhabitants do not want to hear the truth.
              1. I do not care
                I do not care April 15 2021 09: 53
                -7
                I try, but most of them lack critical thinking. Few who ask the question - who benefits from it? even less - will find the right answer. laughing
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter April 15 2021 09: 58
                  -8
                  Quote: me by
                  I try, but most of them lack critical thinking. Few who ask the question - who benefits from it? even less - will find the right answer. laughing

                  Cannot find the causal relationship request , and it is difficult to communicate with people who have a TV instead of a head. yes
            2. I do not care
              I do not care April 15 2021 10: 58
              -5
              Oh, how the Kremlin secret police got excited laughing , sleepers do not even bother at all
              object.
      2. I do not care
        I do not care April 15 2021 10: 14
        -10%
        smart people wrote about such wars at the beginning of the last century

        Aggressive exploiting states, on the contrary, have always hidden and are hiding the real goals of their wars. To give the wars of conquest some semblance of justice, the ideologues of the exploiting classes resort to fraudulent maneuvers, to false ideological signs and political slogans, with the help of which the masses of the people could be mobilized to fight for interests alien to them.

        Therefore, it is impossible to understand the reasons and essence of this or that aggressive war, if we limit ourselves to considering only its external ideological coverings, if we do not delve into the essence of the policy that led to this war.

        Having established the dependence of war on the politics of classes and states, Marxism-Leninism resolutely rejects the point of view of bourgeois ideologists, who regard war as a continuation of only foreign policy. Marxism-Leninism teaches that there is an inextricable, organic connection between the domestic and foreign policies pursued by classes and states. The foreign policy of states is directly dependent on the political line of the ruling class within the country. Lenin pointed out that "... the nature of the war and its success most of all depend on the internal order of the country that enters the war, that war is a reflection of the domestic policy that this country is leading before the war." (V.I. Lenin, Soch., Vol. 30, ed. 4, p. 131.).
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 15 2021 10: 22
          -9
          Quote: me by
          smart people wrote about such wars at the beginning of the last century

          Turbraputriots skipped classes and seminars on scientific communism, so Lenin's teachings are poorly represented, hence the result.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 15 2021 10: 38
          +3
          IN AND. Lenin PSS vol. 39 p. 219
          "Only scoundrels or fools can think that the proletariat must first win the majority in elections carried out under the yoke of the bourgeoisie, under the yoke of wage slavery, and then must win power. This is the height of stupidity or hypocrisy, this is the replacement of class struggle and revolution with votes under the old system , under the old regime.
          The proletariat wages its class struggle without waiting for a vote to start a strike, although the sympathy of the majority of the working people (and therefore of the majority of the population) is necessary for the full success of a strike. The proletariat is waging its class struggle, overthrowing the bourgeoisie, without waiting for any preliminary (and carried out by the bourgeoisie under its yoke) voting, and the proletariat knows very well that for the success of its revolution, for the successful overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the sympathy of the majority of the working people is undoubtedly necessary (and therefore , and the majority of the population).
          Parliamentary cretins and modern Louis Blanc "demand" a mandatory vote and a mandatory vote by the bourgeoisie to determine this sympathy of the majority of the working people. But this is the look of pedants, the dead, or clever deceivers.
          Living life, the history of real revolutions shows that the "sympathy of the majority of the working people" very often cannot be proved by any votes (not to mention the votes made by the exploiters, when the exploiter is "equal" with the exploited!). Very often, the "sympathy of the majority of the working people" is not proved at all by voting, but by the growth of one of the parties, or the growth of the number of its members. "
          1. I do not care
            I do not care April 15 2021 10: 47
            -3
            everything is so, maybe this war is needed, so that the upper classes cannot and the lower classes do not want.
            And then, perhaps, history will take a new turn.
    3. iouris
      iouris April 15 2021 09: 21
      +4
      They will call you and go on the attack.
      1. I do not care
        I do not care April 15 2021 09: 27
        -9
        I won't go. The age is not the same, and I'm not going to fight for Usmanchik's yachts, Raldugin's funds and palaces in Gelendzhik. And I won't let my sons.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 15 2021 09: 52
          -7
          Quote: me by
          I won't go. The age is not the same, and I'm not going to fight for Usmanchik's yachts, Raldugin's funds and palaces in Gelendzhik. And I won't let my sons.

          I fully support and subscribe to every word.
          Nice to hear a sane person. good soldier
        2. VORON538
          VORON538 April 15 2021 12: 58
          +3
          So, you will go to jail. Together with the "sons". This is provided that you live in Russia. And your sidekick on the site will go there. It's just a matter of time and a statement of fact.
          1. I do not care
            I do not care April 15 2021 14: 39
            -2
            and how are you going to turn it around? will you change the date of my birthday at the military registration and enlistment office? or, do you think this is a CJSC, this government will decide for my children? ...
            1. VORON538
              VORON538 April 15 2021 14: 44
              +3
              Pray that you will not be treated like during the repressions. And there will be an article for anti-state propaganda and aiding foreigners committing armed aggression against the state. hi
              1. I do not care
                I do not care April 15 2021 14: 46
                -4
                excuse me, your keyboard is broken and does not give?
                1. VORON538
                  VORON538 April 15 2021 14: 47
                  +1
                  Well, if you are not given due to the service life, oh, sorry, because of your age, then this is purely your grief lol
                  1. I do not care
                    I do not care April 15 2021 15: 01
                    -4
                    What kind of grief, this happiness, to know that he did not participate in the murders of the Slav brothers, albeit brainwashed, did not redistribute property in the interests of local oligarchs, and not our people, did not give false hope to the Donetsk people, they put a bolt on both sides long.
                    here you are positioning yourself as a military man. I am so curious to hear - who do you serve?
                    1. VORON538
                      VORON538 April 15 2021 15: 13
                      +1
                      I do not position myself in any way, all your thoughts are just guesses. And I don’t serve anyone, don’t try on your uniform at everyone in a row. I just share the positions of "His Excellency" and "Motherland", as they say. I don’t blame everything that is happening. one person is so one for all and cannot be responsible. The rest is not your mind's business, to put it mildly. hi If you know the modern Russian legislation, you will understand what and what I mean! hi
              2. I do not care
                I do not care April 15 2021 15: 38
                -1
                aiding foreigners committing armed aggression against the state article there is hi[/ Quote]
                excuse me, but who is going to spoil Russia to aggro?
                Did our guarantor of the constitution recognize them as Russian subjects?
                he put the bolt on them. And this war is not for the people of the LPR.
                refute.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 15 2021 09: 30
        -8
        Quote: iouris
        They will call you and go on the attack.

        General mobilization? belay
  11. K-50
    K-50 April 15 2021 09: 05
    +5
    Also in the West, they say that Vladimir Putin "takes advantage of the situation with the US withdrawal from the DON - the Open Skies Treaty, demonstrating that now the West does not have the ability to directly monitor the movement of Russian troops on the western borders."

    So we do not hide the transfer of troops. How much is needed, voiced and sent! fellow lol
    You might think that if DON continued to act, it would change something! wassat
    It's another matter that whine about Russia's troop transfer capabilities. You never dreamed of this even in a fairy tale. The gut is thin!fellow laughing laughing
  12. dgonni
    dgonni April 15 2021 11: 18
    0
    The mattresses came out of the contract for a completely logical reason. They have the ability to fly their reconnaissance aircraft and drones along the entire border of Russia and Ukraine. And the space component is highly saturated and monitors the entire territory 24/7.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 April 15 2021 13: 43
      +1
      Their planes collapsed. There is nothing to fly ...
      And the space component is highly saturated and monitors the entire territory 24/7.

      Wrong.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni April 15 2021 15: 22
        -2
        Continue to remain in illusions!
        There is purely business and results!
  13. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 15 2021 11: 39
    +2
    DON has long lost its relevance - there are many satellites, their resolution is excellent, informational openness and a lot of fools with mobile phones also contribute.
  14. faterdom
    faterdom April 15 2021 18: 50
    +2
    They will bitterly regret the INF Treaty. And about missile defense too. They would sit on the priest evenly, cut their nishtyaks from the "victory in the Cold War", reward each other with medals, there, jubilee ones.
    But no, Hollywood has been lured with life.
  15. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 16 2021 13: 40
    0
    Well, of course, and more than a hundred intelligence satellites that pass over the territory of Russia in a day see NOTHING and do not provide information ..